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I've always thought it was silly to argue calibers. I'm basically a whitetail deer hunter and have also taken 3 mule deer in New Mexico. I have taken deer with 30 30, 260 remington, 308, 270, and30 06. They all work and hard to tell a difference between them except for the shorter distance a 30 30 can take a deer. But I do love seeing all the new calibers and really appreciate your videos. They're intertaining and informative and I like what you do. Both those rounds did a number on the clay .👍👍
I've killed them with compound bows, crossbows, 2 with a 410 slug, 243, 3030, 270wsm, 20 gauge etc and they all died the same. Dropped my first deer with a 410 slug at 30 yards when I was 11. He was a dandy 8pt too. 3yo buck, but people will swear up and down that 410 isn't enough
I’m going with the 35 Whelen, but to get the MOST outta the 35 Whelen you need to Roll Your Own. You can really push the 35 Whelen into Magnum Territory if you handload.
At practical hunting distances you're not going to see a difference on an animal unless you move up to the high weight 35 projectiles. The 30 will have higher bc and better sectional density at it's higher weights due to bullet length and design. Only reason to pick one over the other is if you're purchasing factory ammo. Not many companies produce 35
Both are good cartridges. However with way more ammunition available in the 30-06. Not to mention the ability to take game at much longer distance with the higher BC/flatter shooting 30 cal bullets available. The 30-06 is certainly the more versatile round. Anything your gonna shoot with the 35 can be just as easily taken with a 30-06. From Grizzlies to Moose etc. They all fall hard when hit with either one.
@@jasonsimone3523 Then for grizz, I'd pass on the Whelen and go for a 9.3x62 instead. It's a superb African calibre and still used for Cape buffalo and other dangerous game. 👍
That's what I used to Bear hunt with a lever action 35 Whelen loved it never was afraid of nothing in the woods when I carried it and with all heavy hand loads from my very good friend who is not with us anymore
I like both the 30-06 and the .35 Whelen. I've had both calibers and I've taken Whitetail, Mule deer, Moose and Black Bear with both. Personally I do prefer the .35 Whelen because I hand load and I can load the .35 real close to .338 Win mag velocities without having a .338. Plus the .35 Whelen isn't something you see everyday and that appeals to me also.😊😊
I love mine . 225 grain accubonds at 2750 are very close to 338 numbers . I shot my first animal with mine last year . 6x6 bull elk at 245 yards . One shot with a 250 grain Norma oryx anchored the bull and he was dead before he hit the ground .
I really like the 35 Whelen, if you reload they’re a real monster. 358 Winchester is a great alternative for a short action version too. I don’t know why they’ve never been more popular, especially in places where you have grizzly and moose. Then again I don’t know why no one has made a commercial version of the 338-06, it’s an amazing cartridge.
Presumably, the two slow-mos play back at the same rate. It looks like the clay is ejected at a higher velocity, and in smaller pieces from the .35 Whelen hit, which equals more energy transfer on impact. .35 Whelen is an impressive cartridge. That was fun! Thanks WTW!
@@WHOTEEWHO yep. even before the pandemic you basically had to special order the sp in any weight and the 220 grain in sp or psp. Or hand. I remember when you walked into store far as corelokt goes the popular stuff like 30-06 you found the sp and psp in 150 165 185 200 220 And the other calibers the popular grain weights was found in sp and psp
@Chris you're absolutely right, you just can't judge the difference in transferred energy at short distance. I'd just like to see the bigger calibers showcasing their advantage at a distance where it counts.
@@darrellgoodman9585 WTW has shot 350 out to 1000 yards. Are there better calibers for long range? Absolutely. That being said, if you’re a good enough shot, anything is a long range caliber. My uncle shoots black power rifles over 1000 yards with adjustable iron sights
That was a REALLY FUN VIDEO! It's a close contest, but I think the 35 Whelen sent the clay flying a slight bit quicker, and maybe a shade higher than the .30-06. We need to see an accuracy test of the Norma Whitetail in .308 Winchester. Also would love to see 12 gauge double ought buck and #4 buck against the drywall, it would be interesting to see how many sheets they would penetrate. Might help us decide which to use for home defense.
As always, one of your great videos. Thanks for being the hardest working man on youtube. You’re one of the main people that have gotten me into branching out to try other calibers. Thanks for broadening my firearms knowledge.
Awesome Name!!!! My buddy used a 35 Whelen for Moose, Elk and Bears, and I have always used a 338 WM, but I want to get a 338-06. The Whelen truly is one of the best Elk/Moose cartridges ever made!
I have had a 35 Whelen for 40 +years. built it on a Mauser 98 action with a Timney trigger and Lyman peek sight to go to Africa because it was the smallest capable cartridge . I still love it , but like you so well stated it cost a lot to shoot. I have been loading it for years. 30 .6 blown out ( or fire formed with bulls eye and cotton ) then trimmed made the best and cheapest way to shoot this wonderful round. I'm so sorry to see it fade away like some of the greatest cartridges of the past. Yes a shoulder burner...... but so exciting!
I love how those big heavy calibers just blow the clay to smithereens! Another excellent video 👍👍👍 P.S. I'm really hoping to see you hunt with your new .50 caliber muzzle loader!
35 Weeeeelen. Would lovema,Rem. Classic in 35 Welen. Made in 1988. Maybe a 750 Woods master would be awesome too. 35 Welen is one of the top 5 most efficient cartridges ever made. Ackley improved is a couple spots higher.
Agree..on all points.! I bought my Remington Classic as soon as they were available. It has dropped everything I've shot in its tracks when using 250 grain It's also very accurate. cutting a ragged hole at 100 yds.For me there's nothing like it.Magnum killing power out of Standard Cartridge. And believe me that 250 grain slug just poleaxes big deer
This is a good time to refresh your memories on physics. Momentum and kinetic energy. But both rounds had devastating effects on a semi solid block of clay! Live tissue is something totally different. But still... fun to watch the clay explode!
I bought a CVA Scout 35 Whelen. Second shot fired split the head of the case and most shots thereafter. It was a factory defective rifle. Excessive head space. CVA didn't have another Scout in 35 Whelen and that's how I ended up with a .444 Marlin and had to buy a different 35 Whelen which turned out ok. It's a Lipsey's Ruger #1.
I love the 30-06 and use it as my go to round, but the 35 Whelen is an amazing round! I honestly couldn’t see a difference between the two blocks - both got hit pretty hard. Love your videos! Keep up the great work!
pretty awesome.. I dont think you could go wrong with either. I have never owned a 35 Whelen, But the 30-06 has served me well or a whole lot of years.
I really like the 9.3x62 but I'm afraid I'd have to order the ammo from somewhere. I never see it in gun shops here in Colorado at all and it would be a great elk cartridge just like the Whelen is. I've asked about 9.3x62 in some shops and none of them even know what I'm talking about. A lot of employees of shops I've been in all seem to be black rifle fans.
FYI: When I was hand-loading I was using the same brass casing for 25-06 / 30-06 / 35 Whelen. I averaged 17-20 reloads per individual casing. before seeing noticeable cracks in the brass casing. When I was reloading, I could purchase 100 rounds 06 or 35 caliber's (From Horandy and such good company's) for approx six to seven dollar's. Those day's are long gone. LOL Back then, a store brought box 30-06 cost $12.00, or just over that. As a former hand-loader for the 35 Whelen. Early 1970's to the 1980's. The Whelen was originally designed via a "German Mauser Action," and a 35 caliber barrel. That's what I had, German markings on the action. Intended, and was used, to hunt the African big 5. My Speer Manual for reloading Ammunition No.#: 8, pg. 307 220 Gr. Flat Nose, Using 60.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2675. Using 58.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2607. Using 56.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2534.. In my "New Seventh Edition," Handloader's Digest, Edited by John T. Amber, Editor of GUN DIGEST, page 120. 35 Whelen The 35 Whelen has an interesting history. It was designed by James Howe, of Griffin and Howe, partially in response to letters from Leslie Simpson and Stewart Edward White, suggesting that a good all-round rifle for African use would be one of 333 to 350 caliber, with a bullet of 250-300 grains (ideally 275) at 2500 fps. Both men (along with Roy Chapman Andrews and the Rev. Dr. Harry Cadwell, who were active in Asia,) perhaps the finest big game shots our country has produced, were aware of the outstanding performance of the 318 Westley-Richards with a 250-grain bullet, the 333 Jeffrey with a 300-grain bullet and the 350 Rigby with a 310-grain bullet on thin skinned dangerous and non-dangerous game in Africa. It is of passing interest that the bullet for the old British 333 Jeffery is much like the 300-grain copper tube bullet which Winchester introduced for the 338 Magnum. The 35 Whelen was the first of three efforts by Griffin and Howe to produce a cartridge that would meet this ideal. All were in 35 caliber. The 35 Whelen is simply the 30-06 necked up 35 caliber, and it's about as easy to form from '06 as is the 270. Later, an "improved" version of the 35 Whelen, with venturi shoulders like Weatherby cartridges, was made up, but it never caught on. The 35 Whelen, while never offered as a factory round (although some gunsmiths used to sell properly formed brass for it) has racked up a tremendous record all over the world, rivaling the 375 Holland & Holland in its effectiveness. It was originally designed, partially, as a substitute for the 375 H&H, since rifles for it could be made up using inexpensive 30-06 actions rather than costly magnum-length Mauser actions. it has killed, with aplomb and efficiency, all of the trophy animals in the world, with the possible exception of the "Big Three" (elephant, rhinoceros, and cape buffalo.) It can be loaded down to 35 Remington speeds for light {Sic} recoil and pot-shooting, or loaded up to provide terrific stopping power --- more than should be needed by a competent rifleman facing American big game. Although not legal in certain parts of Africa for dangerous game (some countries require that rifles of at least 375 or 400 caliber be used,) solid nose bullets are available so that, in a pinch, it probably would serve. It is easy to rebarrel an action to this cartridge --- it does not even require opening up the bolt face or free-boring; the rimless brass for it, as with the 358, is cheaper and easier to manufacture than the belted brass necessary for the 350 Remington, 35 Griffin and Howe (or Holland and Holland, as it is sometimes known) and 358 Norma Magnum. There is still a great future awaiting the 35 Whelen and, now that the 22-250 has been legitimized, perhaps we can hope that the 35 Whelen will meet with the same good fortune.
* You do know that Remington legitimize the .35 Whelen in 1987 as a factory cartridge. At that time many of us wondered why Remington didn't opt for the improved version of this cartridge. P.S. Evidently, Col. Whelen did have a lot to do with the creation of this cartridge.
@@charlessmith4242 4th paragraph, 3rd sentence: "Later, an "improved" version of the 35 Whelen, with venturi shoulders like Weatherby cartridges, was made up, but it never caught on." Yes, I did laugh a lot, going into stores and seeing what I could only have via WILDCATING (a.k.a., hand-loading,) than being offered for sale at the big box stores of the day. Something to add, when I would go to different shooting range(s) (their were three I use to frequent, depending where I was on Long Island, New York. born and raised,) NEVER FAILED, my weapon was ALWAYS the loudest!!! How do I know, EVERYBODY would always look at me ask what the heck kind of CANNON is that thing. 2nd, had one heck of a muzzle-flash, even during VERY SUNNY and BRIGHT CLEAR DAYS. EVERYBODY would comment on that fact, and make jokes, don't get close to that flame thrower, their words, not mine. I thought it very KOOL, for what it's worth.
Both did an excellent job on those clay blocks. Shooting at a known distance of 200 yards or less, I would give the edge to the .35 However, for an Elk hunt where the distances could range be 100 to 400 yards, I'd go with the flatter Shooting 30-06 which would be a little more forgiving if the guessed distance beyond 200 yards was missed by 50 or so yards. Tracking follow the shot, shouldn't be a problem with either caliber!!! Thank you Who_tee_who!!! 💥🎯
A hand loader can shoot the 35 Whelen almost at the same cost of loading the ‘06. When I was using a 338 Win Mag for elk, a friend was using the Whelen. We got almost exactly the same shot that showed the same damage. Both dropped to the shot. I have heard that the 338 can do everything a 375 H&H can do. That puts the Whelen in some very good company. Thank You for testing it!
I've owned a .338 mag. and have shot a 375 H&H a lot. The 338 can't do everything a 375 can do. For instance a 338 can't legally hunt dangerous game in most countries but a 375 can.
@@russellkeeling4387 Thank You for correcting my over sight. I have been using the 375 H&H in my Encore pistol for years, no, decades now. I’m no He man! It’s a very good brake that allows me to be able to fire full house loads with one hand. I wouldn’t attempt it without the brake. I was big on going to Africa but a divorce kinda messed that up. There is a 9.3 round that is also acceptable in Africa for the big stuff. I think it is a .366 or something very close in caliber that’s the minimum in some of the Countries. It allows some of the older guns You would use to still be able to be used. I really enjoyed my 338 Win mag but I let it go along with my .458 when Remington came out with Their .416. I had to have one. I should have stayed with what I had. That think would stomp on me! After a hundred rounds, it found a new home. Thanks for straightening me out and good to talk big bores with someone. Later!
P.s. I broke my back 36 years ago and wasn’t able to follow deer up and down the hills in Indiana. At the time, rifles weren’t allowed so I used Contenders. After only a couple of sub par hits with my trusty 35 Remington pistol in which case the deer could cover maybe 50 yards I had the .375 barrel made. Deer go down to the shot! Every time and don’t even twitch. Happy hunting.
I have been using a 35 Whelen since 2004. My Grandfather got me a 700 classic for my 1 year BDay. One of my favorite calibers. I was using the buffalo bore 225 grain Spitzer boat tail. I took a deer at 270 yards. I cannot find that ammo anymore. But I started using the Hornady 200 grain super performance. It shoots flatter and carries about the same energy at distance. My first two shots, after sightin, cut holes. Less than a quarter inch. I allowed a few minutes for the barrel to cool between shots. I free floated the barrel, but I did not glass bed because it shoots so well it just doesn’t make sense to spend the time doing that. 35 Whelen is one of the best all purpose North American cartridges ever made. My rifle weighs 8 pounds fully loaded. I run a standard 3 x 9 Leupold. I like recoil, so that does not bother me. If you were recoil sensitive, probably not the cartridge for you.
They both looked really close to me. There may have been a slight more break up of the top of the clay with the 35 over the 30-06. To borrow a line from Paul Harrell. Is it enough to make a difference, you be the judge.
The slo-mo seemed like it showed bigger flattened plates of clay from the 35 and smaller ones from the aught-6, so theirs a difference between them I just am not sure what that translates to. Definitely awesome watching see slo-mo 👍
Velocity..250 seconds difference is a lot.Ive shot 225 grains before in mine.The Velocity in this load is closer to 30-06 180 grain. Hits harder with .35 diameter
I can't believe that I never had realized that 35 whelen is just a necked up .06 I just never had one . And the CVA is a fine lookin rifle, great videos keep em comin 👍😁
That's an awesome caliber comparison I didn't realize that 35 was so close to 06. Glad to have seen that they look pretty close to each other. Keep the videos coming thanks.
The 35 Whelan clearly has more power. Also has much more recoil. The 30-06/308 Win. with 180 gr. has been my favorite for deer hunting in Minnesota for about 50 years. It just plain works every single time. The only time it failed was with a solid copper bullet. The bullet didn't open up. I have had more than one hunter tell me of the poor performance of solid copper bullets. I did shoot a deer and an Elk with a 350 Rem. Mag a few years back. Used a 225 grain Nosler Partition. Impressive performance on both animal's. Had to deal with noticeable increased recoil to get that performance. You can't go wrong with either cartridge.
225 gr trophy bonded bear claw. federal premium rounds for the 35whelen Look forward to you running some better bullets in the 35. Keep up the good work
I got into reloading my own ammo. I no longer worry about if I can find ammo any longer. I tailor make my ammo to work best with my guns. I have a lot of guns that shoot ammo that is uncommon. My 35 Whelan and 375 Ruger are ridiculous. They kill everything quickly with Hammer of Thor power. I still love my .25-06 Rem, .308win and .30-06 but living in Grizzly country forces me to carry a lot of gun. Love your show. If you ever come to the North of Canada look me up!!!
@@darrellgoodman9585 not really. A 180 grain 35 Whelen is about a 3150 fps round compared to the 2650 fps on the 30-06. Either way you cut it, the energies are not close.
The .35 Whelen has regained some popularity in recent years due to some states allowing that caliber, in a single shot, to be used during their primitive weapon deer season. I bought mine when MS made that change. I got the CVA Optima Elite Stalker. I filled the composite stock with dry sand to settle it down some.
I got both. I got a 35 Whelen, w/ iron sights. I have those 250 gr Remington Core-lokt. That's my bear medicine. My 30-06 is great, but I do love breaking out my Whelen for up close shots. The Whelen rocked that block also.
Awesome video WTW I would say the 35 whelen would be my choice but that’s because it’s something I haven’t really seen before. Also you should do the paper plate challenge same match up of rifles!!
Same shell case different diameter. Both are great for larger size game! I love using both . I have been working with the .338-06 for a few years and I prefer it for most of my hunting! Have been kicking around a .338 - .300 mag for a few months now. Tinkering with bullets and loads for longer range that the cartridge and I am capable of! Enjoy the outdoors and the pursuit of ethical one shot placement performance! God bless and stay safe!
For less muzzle velocity, a less flat trajectory, and a whole lot more money, you too can shot shoot 35 whelen! Edit, I think you should compare the .35 to another similarly priced ammo like 300 ultra or 338wm
What are you talking about? You can buy Hornady superformance 200 grain that hits over 2900 fps. That's solid 300 mag performance. According to the nosler reloading manual the .35 is less than one inch behind the 30/06 in drop at 300 yards but has much more energy. If you reload your own none of the points you made apply.
@@bobgordon1754 amen. The 35 whelen has nothing else to prove and has taken large dangerous game animals throughout the world. It is what it is and does what it's creators hoped it would do.
Both great calibers but if you use the 30-06 with a 220 grain the the 35 with the 250 grain the the whelen has 144 more foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. But start stretching them out and it changes fairly quickly. At 100 yards it's down to 19 foot pounds ahead and at 200 yards it is now 81 foot pounds behind and keeps falling behind because of the better ballistics of the 30 call round. At 500 yards the 30-06 has 236 more foot pounds of energy and drops 15 less inches.
There are things I might question about the two loads you use. I can load a 220 grain bullet in the 06 but the only bullet I can get is a round nose which one of my books says can be loaded to 2600 fps which is very good. That produces 3303 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. My 35 caliber loads I have clocked at 2816 fps at muzzle. That produces 3917 foot pounds of energy. The 35 caliber gameking bullets are a pointed boat tail bullet. The load I use to acquire that velocity is not a maximum load whereas the 30 caliber load is. The 35 caliber bullet does not slow down faster than the round nose bullet and shoots at the same point blank range my 06 does with 180 grain bullets. I have no intention of using either one of those rifles to shoot at something 500 yards away.
I have shot my ‘06 for over 50 yrs. Using 150 gr Remington ammo and hunting Muley’s, elk, antelope and can honestly say I have never lost an animal. (I was taught by dad very early on, one shot, 1 kill) For my moose and black bear I did step up to a 220 gr bullet. It think it comes down to ones personal preference. I bought a Ruger 7mm mag, which I like, but always grab my reliable ole ‘06 first choice. It even has the original Lyman 4X scope, which has held up unbelievably over the yrs too.
I noticed when you held up the rounds the 06 was a round nose bullet but when you showed the boxes the 06 box says it is an SP bullet. Doesn't the SP stand for spire point meaning a pointed bullet?
I have hunted with my model70 in 30’06 for decades. I pretty much stuck with 150-165 gr. Projectiles and always used reloads. I never miss and never have to shoot twice. I am going elk hunting in October and am deciding between my new Kimber ‘06 and my H&R single shot 35 Whelen. If I could find a good Whelen bolt action I’d sure like to try that out. The 35 Whelen is sure interesting...BTW I reload that too. Both rifles blow up 2liter soda bottles all day at 200 yds. We have 35 Whelen factory ammo here in Carson City in case anybody’s interested.
If you've got .30-06 cases, you've got .35 Whelen cases. I was handloading the .35 Whelen for many, many years before it was factory loaded by fire forming .30-06 cases in my custom Springfield .35 Whelen. When Remington came out with the .35 Whelen in the Model 7600 I grabbed one of those, but have been handloading it all along. I never bought a box of factory .35 Whelen but I did buy a good supply of Remington .35 Whelen empty cases and still have several hundred of those left. Plenty of good .35" bullets available, and for practice/fun shooting you can use downloaded, cast lead .38/.357 bullets. My favorite hunting loads for the .35 Whelen use the Speer 225 gr. BTSP
You say you never see heavy bullets in factory ammo. I agree. There used to be lots of them 20-30 years ago though. I first hunted with 220gr .303 but haven't seen any for sale since Imperial stopped making them.
Very informative WTW to me the 35 did more Adamiziing to the clay lol I’ll go out on a limb and say every one who watches yours and Wild Mans ( Heavy Metals ) videos are learning more than we realize we seen it in live action and no body can take that away!!! Wa Yea ( :
Both are very close in comparison, but heads up for the Whelen. It's an elk slayer if you keep your shots at 250yds or less. I do like the 225gr bullet better. If you can find them a 300gr is available. Then you basically have a .375. Tons of bears have been taken with the 35 Whelen. It's a very favorite caliber in Canada. there's nothing in North America it won't handle. My most used guns are the Whelen, 7mm Mauser and my favorite, an old Mod 70, in 300 H&H magnum. Very good video. Next time try the 30-06 vs the 300 H&H. Would be very interesting. Keep up the good videos. Also try the 45-70 with Randy Garrett or Buffalo Bore ammo. You'll be amazed at the results, I promise you that.
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try out a 350 Remington Mag--It dropped anything I ever shot "on the spot"...
I've always thought it was silly to argue calibers. I'm basically a whitetail deer hunter and have also taken 3 mule deer in New Mexico. I have taken deer with 30 30, 260 remington, 308, 270, and30 06. They all work and hard to tell a difference between them except for the shorter distance a 30 30 can take a deer. But I do love seeing all the new calibers and really appreciate your videos. They're intertaining and informative and I like what you do. Both those rounds did a number on the clay .👍👍
I've killed them with compound bows, crossbows, 2 with a 410 slug, 243, 3030, 270wsm, 20 gauge etc and they all died the same. Dropped my first deer with a 410 slug at 30 yards when I was 11. He was a dandy 8pt too. 3yo buck, but people will swear up and down that 410 isn't enough
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@@OrionARS it's all about application. You don't shoot a moose at 600 yards with a 410 slug and you don't use a 50 bmg on grouse up close.
@@eggbert191 Or far away. ;)
@@eggbert191 oh, I completely agree. You have to know the limitations of your weapon. Inside 30-40 yards, a 410 slug is potent poison for whitetails
A 30-06 will take any animal in North America. Cheers from big animal country Canada!
And so will the .35 Whelen. only better.
I’m going with the 35 Whelen, but to get the MOST outta the 35 Whelen you need to Roll Your Own. You can really push the 35 Whelen into Magnum Territory if you handload.
I do just that.
Spot on.
Yes,it nips hard on the heels of the .338 Winchester Magnum.
With the scarcity of ammo these days, especially for something like a Whelen, reloading is the only practical way to go.
@@bobgordon1754 Amen to that. But ya gotta reload. Have you priced a box of 338 WinMag ammo these days..?
I’ll stick with the .30-06 just because Ammo is EVERYWHERE.
Well, it used to be everywhere!
.35 Whelen can easily be fire formed from 30-06 cases.
@@russellkeeling9712 and with modern 30 cal bullets. The 30-06 can be loaded to do anything that 35 will do. The game hit will know no difference.
Just did a search on Ammoseek and 0 results for 35 Whelen. Same searh for 30-06 and over 100 results.
Don't tell Google what you have! haha
35 carries a little more energy 06 is a little faster … I’m gonna call it a draw 🤩
That is until you have closer to the same bullet weight. My 35 pushes a 200gr at 2900fps
At practical hunting distances you're not going to see a difference on an animal unless you move up to the high weight 35 projectiles. The 30 will have higher bc and better sectional density at it's higher weights due to bullet length and design. Only reason to pick one over the other is if you're purchasing factory ammo. Not many companies produce 35
You'll see a difference if you're shooting grizzly or Brown bear.
Both are good cartridges. However with way more ammunition available in the 30-06. Not to mention the ability to take game at much longer distance with the higher BC/flatter shooting 30 cal bullets available. The 30-06 is certainly the more versatile round. Anything your gonna shoot with the 35 can be just as easily taken with a 30-06. From Grizzlies to Moose etc. They all fall hard when hit with either one.
@@jasonsimone3523 Then for grizz, I'd pass on the Whelen and go for a 9.3x62 instead. It's a superb African calibre and still used for Cape buffalo and other dangerous game. 👍
That's what I used to Bear hunt with a lever action 35 Whelen loved it never was afraid of nothing in the woods when I carried it and with all heavy hand loads from my very good friend who is not with us anymore
I like both the 30-06 and the .35 Whelen. I've had both calibers and I've taken Whitetail, Mule deer, Moose and Black Bear with both. Personally I do prefer the .35 Whelen because I hand load and I can load the .35 real close to .338 Win mag velocities without having a .338. Plus the .35 Whelen isn't something you see everyday and that appeals to me also.😊😊
And you can load pistol bullets for a soft shooting plinker round around the farm. Or even hot load them and make a racoon bomb.
I love mine . 225 grain accubonds at 2750 are very close to 338 numbers . I shot my first animal with mine last year . 6x6 bull elk at 245 yards . One shot with a 250 grain Norma oryx anchored the bull and he was dead before he hit the ground .
The .35 whelen is really popular here in Louisiana because you can use it for primitive firearms season
Nothing primitive about it, wonder why they allow it?
The 30.06 predates the .35 Whelan by decades.
Someone has something wrong
@@danchristopher7957 It's about the shape of the case.
@@danchristopher7957 About 19 years.
@@russellkeeling4387it's the same case. The .35 whelen is a 30-06 case necked up to .35 caliber. So no I don't think that's it.
I really like the 35 Whelen, if you reload they’re a real monster. 358 Winchester is a great alternative for a short action version too. I don’t know why they’ve never been more popular, especially in places where you have grizzly and moose. Then again I don’t know why no one has made a commercial version of the 338-06, it’s an amazing cartridge.
338 A-Square . That's a commercial version of 338 -06. It failed to be a commercial sucsess.
weatherby briefly made rifles in 338-06. unfortunately they neglected to advertise or mention it much at the time
Presumably, the two slow-mos play back at the same rate. It looks like the clay is ejected at a higher velocity, and in smaller pieces from the .35 Whelen hit, which equals more energy transfer on impact. .35 Whelen is an impressive cartridge. That was fun! Thanks WTW!
I use to use that exact corelokt load for the 30-06 when it was more common to find. It was also common to find sp and psp in 220 grain.
Harder to find now
@@WHOTEEWHO yep. even before the pandemic you basically had to special order the sp in any weight and the 220 grain in sp or psp.
Or hand.
I remember when you walked into store far as corelokt goes the popular stuff like 30-06 you found the sp and psp in 150 165 185 200 220
And the other calibers the popular grain weights was found in sp and psp
I have a box with Ten Rounds left in it and i have five rounds of the elusive accelerator rounds .
@@darrellgoodman9585 I have about 12 rounds of accelerator and hope to find more but it does seem rare.
Giant clay blocks at 250 yards move them back
@Chris you're absolutely right, you just can't judge the difference in transferred energy at short distance. I'd just like to see the bigger calibers showcasing their advantage at a distance where it counts.
Yes, that's just what I was thinking.
That's the upper range for a .35 Whelen that big bullet ..velocity drops off
I still wanna see 7.62x39 vs 350 legend
Same!
Ditto
Nice one, me too
350 legend isn't that great IMO LIMITED RANGE i would say comparable to the 30-30 .
@@darrellgoodman9585 WTW has shot 350 out to 1000 yards. Are there better calibers for long range? Absolutely. That being said, if you’re a good enough shot, anything is a long range caliber. My uncle shoots black power rifles over 1000 yards with adjustable iron sights
That was a REALLY FUN VIDEO! It's a close contest, but I think the 35 Whelen sent the clay flying a slight bit quicker, and maybe a shade higher than the .30-06.
We need to see an accuracy test of the Norma Whitetail in .308 Winchester. Also would love to see 12 gauge double ought buck and #4 buck against the drywall, it would be interesting to see how many sheets they would penetrate. Might help us decide which to use for home defense.
Both really scattered the clay but there was less clay left on the table with the 06.
That 35 Whelen is a beast!!! Kinda makes me want one now. I'm really wanting to get my hands on a CVA Scout as well.
Is a 270 good for hunting
Me too.Watching his videos makes me want to buy guns i don't have yet.I still need a 375 ruger,338 lapau,300 western and more of the wildcat calibers.
@@jamiethompson3851 Yes
Maybe lay the clay blocks length wise and hit em that way. I bet it will be more dramatic with the expansion if it has more distance to travel through
Smart. Why didn’t I think of that?
As always, one of your great videos. Thanks for being the hardest working man on youtube. You’re one of the main people that have gotten me into branching out to try other calibers. Thanks for broadening my firearms knowledge.
35 appeared to sling more bits of clay. I need one just because it's a super cool round.
35 Whelen is an excellent Elk cartridge out to 300 yards. Killed most of my Elk with one. All one shot kills.
Awesome Name!!!! My buddy used a 35 Whelen for Moose, Elk and Bears, and I have always used a 338 WM, but I want to get a 338-06. The Whelen truly is one of the best Elk/Moose cartridges ever made!
I have had a 35 Whelen for 40 +years. built it on a Mauser 98 action with a Timney trigger and Lyman peek sight to go to Africa because it was the smallest capable cartridge . I still love it , but like you so well stated it cost a lot to shoot. I have been loading it for years. 30 .6 blown out ( or fire formed with bulls eye and cotton ) then trimmed made the best and cheapest way to shoot this wonderful round. I'm so sorry to see it fade away like some of the greatest cartridges of the past. Yes a shoulder burner...... but so exciting!
I love how those big heavy calibers just blow the clay to smithereens!
Another excellent video 👍👍👍
P.S.
I'm really hoping to see you hunt with your new .50 caliber muzzle loader!
35 Weeeeelen. Would lovema,Rem. Classic in 35 Welen. Made in 1988. Maybe a 750 Woods master would be awesome too. 35 Welen is one of the top 5 most efficient cartridges ever made. Ackley improved is a couple spots higher.
Agree..on all points.! I bought my Remington Classic as soon as they were available. It has dropped everything I've shot in its tracks when using 250 grain It's also very accurate. cutting a ragged hole at 100 yds.For me there's nothing like it.Magnum killing power out of Standard Cartridge. And believe me that 250 grain slug just poleaxes big deer
Love the .30-06, it's a lot of cartridge for deer though.
Another awesome video WTW!! Appreciate it!
This is a good time to refresh your memories on physics. Momentum and kinetic energy. But both rounds had devastating effects on a semi solid block of clay! Live tissue is something totally different. But still... fun to watch the clay explode!
Can you do 35 Remington vs 35 whelen.
That brake on the CVA is like a gorgeous woman covered in ghastly tattoos.
I bought a CVA Scout 35 Whelen. Second shot fired split the head of the case and most shots thereafter. It was a factory defective rifle. Excessive head space. CVA didn't have another Scout in 35 Whelen and that's how I ended up with a .444 Marlin and had to buy a different 35 Whelen which turned out ok. It's a Lipsey's Ruger #1.
I love the 30-06 and use it as my go to round, but the 35 Whelen is an amazing round! I honestly couldn’t see a difference between the two blocks - both got hit pretty hard. Love your videos! Keep up the great work!
pretty awesome.. I dont think you could go wrong with either. I have never owned a 35 Whelen, But the 30-06 has served me well or a whole lot of years.
Awesome to see mate
35 Whelen is very close to my 9.3x62 I been telling you about. They are brilliant for deer, puts them to sleep real fast.
I really like the 9.3x62 but I'm afraid I'd have to order the ammo from somewhere. I never see it in gun shops here in Colorado at all and it would be a great elk cartridge just like the Whelen is. I've asked about 9.3x62 in some shops and none of them even know what I'm talking about. A lot of employees of shops I've been in all seem to be black rifle fans.
FYI: When I was hand-loading I was using the same brass casing for 25-06 / 30-06 / 35 Whelen. I averaged 17-20 reloads per individual casing. before seeing noticeable cracks in the brass casing. When I was reloading, I could purchase 100 rounds 06 or 35 caliber's (From Horandy and such good company's) for approx six to seven dollar's. Those day's are long gone. LOL Back then, a store brought box 30-06 cost $12.00, or just over that.
As a former hand-loader for the 35 Whelen. Early 1970's to the 1980's. The Whelen was originally designed via a "German Mauser Action," and a 35 caliber barrel. That's what I had, German markings on the action. Intended, and was used, to hunt the African big 5. My Speer Manual for reloading Ammunition No.#: 8, pg. 307 220 Gr. Flat Nose, Using 60.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2675. Using 58.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2607. Using 56.0 grains 4895 powder, Muzzle Vel. Listed @ 2534..
In my "New Seventh Edition," Handloader's Digest, Edited by John T. Amber, Editor of GUN DIGEST, page 120. 35 Whelen
The 35 Whelen has an interesting history. It was designed by James Howe, of Griffin and Howe, partially in response to letters from Leslie Simpson and Stewart Edward White, suggesting that a good all-round rifle for African use would be one of 333 to 350 caliber, with a bullet of 250-300 grains (ideally 275) at 2500 fps. Both men (along with Roy Chapman Andrews and the Rev. Dr. Harry Cadwell, who were active in Asia,) perhaps the finest big game shots our country has produced, were aware of the outstanding performance of the 318 Westley-Richards with a 250-grain bullet, the 333 Jeffrey with a 300-grain bullet and the 350 Rigby with a 310-grain bullet on thin skinned dangerous and non-dangerous game in Africa. It is of passing interest that the bullet for the old British 333 Jeffery is much like the 300-grain copper tube bullet which Winchester introduced for the 338 Magnum.
The 35 Whelen was the first of three efforts by Griffin and Howe to produce a cartridge that would meet this ideal. All were in 35 caliber. The 35 Whelen is simply the 30-06 necked up 35 caliber, and it's about as easy to form from '06 as is the 270. Later, an "improved" version of the 35 Whelen, with venturi shoulders like Weatherby cartridges, was made up, but it never caught on. The 35 Whelen, while never offered as a factory round (although some gunsmiths used to sell properly formed brass for it) has racked up a tremendous record all over the world, rivaling the 375 Holland & Holland in its effectiveness. It was originally designed, partially, as a substitute for the 375 H&H, since rifles for it could be made up using inexpensive 30-06 actions rather than costly magnum-length Mauser actions. it has killed, with aplomb and efficiency, all of the trophy animals in the world, with the possible exception of the "Big Three" (elephant, rhinoceros, and cape buffalo.) It can be loaded down to 35 Remington speeds for light {Sic} recoil and pot-shooting, or loaded up to provide terrific stopping power --- more than should be needed by a competent rifleman facing American big game. Although not legal in certain parts of Africa for dangerous game (some countries require that rifles of at least 375 or 400 caliber be used,) solid nose bullets are available so that, in a pinch, it probably would serve. It is easy to rebarrel an action to this cartridge --- it does not even require opening up the bolt face or free-boring; the rimless brass for it, as with the 358, is cheaper and easier to manufacture than the belted brass necessary for the 350 Remington, 35 Griffin and Howe (or Holland and Holland, as it is sometimes known) and 358 Norma Magnum. There is still a great future awaiting the 35 Whelen and, now that the 22-250 has been legitimized, perhaps we can hope that the 35 Whelen will meet with the same good fortune.
* You do know that Remington legitimize the .35 Whelen in 1987 as a factory cartridge. At that time many of us wondered why Remington didn't opt for the improved version of this cartridge.
P.S. Evidently, Col. Whelen did have a lot to do with the creation of this cartridge.
@@charlessmith4242 4th paragraph, 3rd sentence:
"Later, an "improved" version of the 35 Whelen, with venturi shoulders like Weatherby cartridges, was made up, but it never caught on."
Yes, I did laugh a lot, going into stores and seeing what I could only have via WILDCATING (a.k.a., hand-loading,) than being offered for sale at the big box stores of the day.
Something to add, when I would go to different shooting range(s) (their were three I use to frequent, depending where I was on Long Island, New York. born and raised,) NEVER FAILED, my weapon was ALWAYS the loudest!!! How do I know, EVERYBODY would always look at me ask what the heck kind of CANNON is that thing. 2nd, had one heck of a muzzle-flash, even during VERY SUNNY and BRIGHT CLEAR DAYS. EVERYBODY would comment on that fact, and make jokes, don't get close to that flame thrower, their words, not mine. I thought it very KOOL, for what it's worth.
There are some guys up here in Alaska that just love the 35 Whelen. One of my good friends is a older guy and absolutely loves the Whelen.
Love mine too. My Favorite out of my rifles..There's nothing I'm afraid of in the woods if need be..
Both did an excellent job on those clay blocks. Shooting at a known distance of 200 yards or less, I would give the edge to the .35
However, for an Elk hunt where the distances could range be 100 to 400 yards, I'd go with the flatter Shooting 30-06 which would be a little more forgiving if the guessed distance beyond 200 yards was missed by 50 or so yards. Tracking follow the shot, shouldn't be a problem with either caliber!!!
Thank you Who_tee_who!!! 💥🎯
Thanks for watching Matt
A hand loader can shoot the 35 Whelen almost at the same cost of loading the ‘06. When I was using a 338 Win Mag for elk, a friend was using the Whelen. We got almost exactly the same shot that showed the same damage. Both dropped to the shot.
I have heard that the 338 can do everything a 375 H&H can do. That puts the Whelen in some very good company. Thank You for testing it!
You can buy aftermarket .35 Whelan barrels for M-1 Garands. Think about that for a minute...🤔
I've owned a .338 mag. and have shot a 375 H&H a lot. The 338 can't do everything a 375 can do. For instance a 338 can't legally hunt dangerous game in most countries but a 375 can.
@@russellkeeling4387 Thank You for correcting my over sight. I have been using the 375 H&H in my Encore pistol for years, no, decades now. I’m no He man! It’s a very good brake that allows me to be able to fire full house loads with one hand. I wouldn’t attempt it without the brake. I was big on going to Africa but a divorce kinda messed that up. There is a 9.3 round that is also acceptable in Africa for the big stuff. I think it is a .366 or something very close in caliber that’s the minimum in some of the Countries. It allows some of the older guns You would use to still be able to be used. I really enjoyed my 338 Win mag but I let it go along with my .458 when Remington came out with Their .416. I had to have one. I should have stayed with what I had. That think would stomp on me! After a hundred rounds, it found a new home. Thanks for straightening me out and good to talk big bores with someone. Later!
P.s. I broke my back 36 years ago and wasn’t able to follow deer up and down the hills in Indiana. At the time, rifles weren’t allowed so I used Contenders. After only a couple of sub par hits with my trusty 35 Remington pistol in which case the deer could cover maybe 50 yards I had the .375 barrel made. Deer go down to the shot! Every time and don’t even twitch. Happy hunting.
@@jeffstevens156 You shoot a Contender that is chambered for .375 mag.?
I have been using a 35 Whelen since 2004. My Grandfather got me a 700 classic for my 1 year BDay. One of my favorite calibers. I was using the buffalo bore 225 grain Spitzer boat tail. I took a deer at 270 yards. I cannot find that ammo anymore. But I started using the Hornady 200 grain super performance. It shoots flatter and carries about the same energy at distance. My first two shots, after sightin, cut holes. Less than a quarter inch. I allowed a few minutes for the barrel to cool between shots. I free floated the barrel, but I did not glass bed because it shoots so well it just doesn’t make sense to spend the time doing that. 35 Whelen is one of the best all purpose North American cartridges ever made. My rifle weighs 8 pounds fully loaded. I run a standard 3 x 9 Leupold. I like recoil, so that does not bother me. If you were recoil sensitive, probably not the cartridge for you.
They both looked really close to me. There may have been a slight more break up of the top of the clay with the 35 over the 30-06. To borrow a line from Paul Harrell. Is it enough to make a difference, you be the judge.
I’ll stick with the 30-06 You can buy them everywhere
I have to tell you I've always appreciated that your intro isn't blasted way above the rest of the video volume. Headphone friendly
I'd like to compare 35 Whelan with 9.3x62 against clay blocks
Got to love that CVA 35 Whelen… what a round!
They seem to be equal, but one is a lot more available
The slo-mo seemed like it showed bigger flattened plates of clay from the 35 and smaller ones from the aught-6, so theirs a difference between them I just am not sure what that translates to.
Definitely awesome watching see slo-mo 👍
The difference is a 180gr bullet compared to a 250 gr bullet its called mass.
@@darrellgoodman9585 more specifically its the difference in energy transfer between the 2 masses.
Velocity..250 seconds difference is a lot.Ive shot 225 grains before in mine.The Velocity in this load is closer to 30-06 180 grain. Hits harder with .35 diameter
Both of them rank right up there for all out devastation!
Remington used to load 30-06 in 200gr core lokt. But I wouldn’t want to get hit with either one 😂
They still do.
Remember the Accelerator 55 Grain Pointed Soft Remington offered back in the 90's?
Yes I do and I think I still have part of a box and I think they also loaded em in 30-30 too
They load a 220 grain round nose also. At least they did in the 90s
I can't believe that I never had realized that 35 whelen is just a necked up .06 I just never had one . And the CVA is a fine lookin rifle, great videos keep em comin 👍😁
Thanks, Adam this was great
That's an awesome caliber comparison I didn't realize that 35 was so close to 06. Glad to have seen that they look pretty close to each other. Keep the videos coming thanks.
.35 Whelen good all around America hunting cartridge, since 1922 ... can't go wrong with either one 30/06 or .35 Whelen I own both
The 35 Whelan clearly has more power. Also has much more recoil. The 30-06/308 Win. with 180 gr. has been my favorite for deer hunting in Minnesota for about 50 years. It just plain works every single time. The only time it failed was with a solid copper bullet. The bullet didn't open up. I have had more than one hunter tell me of the poor performance of solid copper bullets. I did
shoot a deer and an Elk with a 350 Rem. Mag a few years back. Used a 225 grain Nosler Partition. Impressive performance on both animal's. Had to deal with noticeable increased recoil
to get that performance. You can't go wrong with either cartridge.
225 gr trophy bonded bear claw. federal premium rounds for the 35whelen Look forward to you running some better bullets in the 35. Keep up the good work
More 35 videos soon
@@WHOTEEWHO looking forward to them! 🙏
Water jug tests on the whelen!
Who tee who I will make sure to watch the ads all the way to support ya great video
For reloaders, the whelen is an excellent cartridge. You can load for any big game you hunt. They also have good accuracy.
In my opinion 30-06 is a great deer rifle they hit hard. Alot of hunters here in Australia use a 30-06. Great video again 👌
Thank you for doing the clay block test man!
Always like the clay blocks. Smashing!
I got into reloading my own ammo. I no longer worry about if I can find ammo any longer. I tailor make my ammo to work best with my guns. I have a lot of guns that shoot ammo that is uncommon. My 35 Whelan and 375 Ruger are ridiculous. They kill everything quickly with Hammer of Thor power. I still love my .25-06 Rem, .308win and .30-06 but living in Grizzly country forces me to carry a lot of gun. Love your show. If you ever come to the North of Canada look me up!!!
I love the 35 whelen have taken several deer with my model 700
Love the videos man come em coming
Thanks for watching Jacob
I like the Whelen. A bigger bullet is going to SMACK ! I think the clay shows the explosive energy that the 35 Whelen has over the 30/06
Still 180gr and a 250gr not a even test 70 grain weight difference between the two rounds.
@@darrellgoodman9585 what's the point of comparing different calibers in the same grain weight? That's a waste of time.
@@af7119 energy and powder weight of different cases.
@@darrellgoodman9585 not really. A 180 grain 35 Whelen is about a 3150 fps round compared to the 2650 fps on the 30-06. Either way you cut it, the energies are not close.
@@darrengarcia4937 that's not useful or interesting.
You could make about 50 rounds of 35 whelen if you resize the 06 brass and load your own for 100 bucks
The .35 Whelen has regained some popularity in recent years due to some states allowing that caliber, in a single shot, to be used during their primitive weapon deer season. I bought mine when MS made that change. I got the CVA Optima Elite Stalker. I filled the composite stock with dry sand to settle it down some.
I got both. I got a 35 Whelen, w/ iron sights. I have those 250 gr Remington Core-lokt. That's my bear medicine. My 30-06 is great, but I do love breaking out my Whelen for up close shots. The Whelen rocked that block also.
Awesome video WTW I would say the 35 whelen would be my choice but that’s because it’s something I haven’t really seen before. Also you should do the paper plate challenge same match up of rifles!!
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Both excellent rounds for making splody bits.
The .35 Whelen looked to have a slight edge in blowing up the clay.
How deep do they go until they stop? Can the bulllets be recovered?
Great choice for a comparison video! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Same shell case different diameter. Both are great for larger size game! I love using both . I have been working with the .338-06 for a few years and I prefer it for most of my hunting! Have been kicking around a .338 - .300 mag for a few months now. Tinkering with bullets and loads for longer range that the cartridge and I am capable of! Enjoy the outdoors and the pursuit of ethical one shot placement performance! God bless and stay safe!
There is no wrong answer! I am intrigued by the CVA. Great video as always. Thanks for the work
Dad , loved those you have in 3006 , seen him do wonders with his Remington woodsmaster . I preferred the 180 Winchester Silvertip
The clayblock videos is the summer's blockbuster !!! 🤪🤪
Thanks for watching Joffrey!
Shooting them rifles side by side .. how does the kick feel on the cva in comparison?
Not much difference
Have used both... 35 Whelen 250-275grn all day long!
Thanks for the video. They look almost the same to me. Good splatter for both.
I want to see these two on the paper plate test!
Or wet newspaper.
Another big caliber I’ve never heard of :)
Man I love clay block videos! Boom! 💥 💥 35 Whelen definitely seemed to have more energy
For less muzzle velocity, a less flat trajectory, and a whole lot more money, you too can shot shoot 35 whelen!
Edit, I think you should compare the .35 to another similarly priced ammo like 300 ultra or 338wm
How about don't buy one unless you reload or don't mind paying the big bucks for this wonderful old Wildcat caliber. 😉
What are you talking about? You can buy Hornady superformance 200 grain that hits over 2900 fps. That's solid 300 mag performance. According to the nosler reloading manual the .35 is less than one inch behind the 30/06 in drop at 300 yards but has much more energy. If you reload your own none of the points you made apply.
@@bobgordon1754 amen. The 35 whelen has nothing else to prove and has taken large dangerous game animals throughout the world. It is what it is and does what it's creators hoped it would do.
@@jimmybare3026 thank you for your reply.
@@bobgordon1754 I loaded some 180 gr ttsx to 3100 in my whelen last year. Worked well on deer.
Both great calibers but if you use the 30-06 with a 220 grain the the 35 with the 250 grain the the whelen has 144 more foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. But start stretching them out and it changes fairly quickly. At 100 yards it's down to 19 foot pounds ahead and at 200 yards it is now 81 foot pounds behind and keeps falling behind because of the better ballistics of the 30 call round. At 500 yards the 30-06 has 236 more foot pounds of energy and drops 15 less inches.
There are things I might question about the two loads you use. I can load a 220 grain bullet in the 06 but the only bullet I can get is a round nose which one of my books says can be loaded to 2600 fps which is very good. That produces 3303 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. My 35 caliber loads I have clocked at 2816 fps at muzzle. That produces 3917 foot pounds of energy. The 35 caliber gameking bullets are a pointed boat tail bullet. The load I use to acquire that velocity is not a maximum load whereas the 30 caliber load is. The 35 caliber bullet does not slow down faster than the round nose bullet and shoots at the same point blank range my 06 does with 180 grain bullets. I have no intention of using either one of those rifles to shoot at something 500 yards away.
That Block exploding......was EPIC!!!
I have shot my ‘06 for over 50 yrs. Using 150 gr Remington ammo and hunting Muley’s, elk, antelope and can honestly say I have never lost an animal. (I was taught by dad very early on, one shot, 1 kill) For my moose and black bear I did step up to a 220 gr bullet.
It think it comes down to ones personal preference. I bought a Ruger 7mm mag, which I like, but always grab my reliable ole ‘06 first choice. It even has the original Lyman 4X scope, which has held up unbelievably over the yrs too.
I noticed when you held up the rounds the 06 was a round nose bullet but when you showed the boxes the 06 box says it is an SP bullet. Doesn't the SP stand for spire point meaning a pointed bullet?
Brother, I love your ballistic artwork!!!!!!!!!! looks like the 35 had more splodie bits...
Hey brian!
Seen some 35 whelen at Sportsman Warehouse store in Anderson SC
I have hunted with my model70 in 30’06 for decades. I pretty much stuck with 150-165 gr. Projectiles and always used reloads. I never miss and never have to shoot twice. I am going elk hunting in October and am deciding between my new Kimber ‘06 and my H&R single shot 35 Whelen. If I could find a good Whelen bolt action I’d sure like to try that out. The 35 Whelen is sure interesting...BTW I reload that too. Both rifles blow up 2liter soda bottles all day at 200 yds. We have 35 Whelen factory ammo here in Carson City in case anybody’s interested.
270 wsm and 6.8 western clay blocks
Did you get out this year and get any deer with those two, or is your season still open?
Still open
Remington did have a 220 grain Core Lokt in 30'06 but I have not seen any since the 80's.
If you've got .30-06 cases, you've got .35 Whelen cases. I was handloading the .35 Whelen for many, many years before it was factory loaded by fire forming .30-06 cases in my custom Springfield .35 Whelen. When Remington came out with the .35 Whelen in the Model 7600 I grabbed one of those, but have been handloading it all along. I never bought a box of factory .35 Whelen but I did buy a good supply of Remington .35 Whelen empty cases and still have several hundred of those left.
Plenty of good .35" bullets available, and for practice/fun shooting you can use downloaded, cast lead .38/.357 bullets.
My favorite hunting loads for the .35 Whelen use the Speer 225 gr. BTSP
Not enough clay to tell a difference.
We need a do-over with 50 pound blocks !
You say you never see heavy bullets in factory ammo. I agree. There used to be lots of them 20-30 years ago though. I first hunted with 220gr .303 but haven't seen any for sale since Imperial stopped making them.
215gr are available if you reload. Used the old Saber Tips from Imperial
What yr opinion on new savage impulse rifle in 30/06 just asking sir
It breaks my heart but I'm going with the 35 Whelen as the winner.....
Very informative WTW to me the 35 did more Adamiziing to the clay lol I’ll go out on a limb and say every one who watches yours and Wild Mans ( Heavy Metals ) videos are learning more than we realize we seen it in live action and no body can take that away!!! Wa Yea ( :
As your song says “it don’t make a difference “ beastly both calibers!!!
The 35 all day long!!! I'm very impressed
35 Whalen !!!! Hands Down is my pick .... 😊 Thank's
Both are very close in comparison, but heads up for the Whelen. It's an elk slayer if you keep your shots at 250yds or less. I do like the 225gr bullet better. If you can find them a 300gr is available. Then you basically have a .375. Tons of bears have been taken with the 35 Whelen. It's a very favorite caliber in Canada. there's nothing in North America it won't handle. My most used guns are the Whelen, 7mm Mauser and my favorite, an old Mod 70, in 300 H&H magnum. Very good video. Next time try the 30-06 vs the 300 H&H. Would be very interesting. Keep up the good videos. Also try the 45-70 with Randy Garrett or Buffalo Bore ammo. You'll be amazed at the results, I promise you that.