Thank you SO MUCH for comparing and pressing the stems together. This is exactly what I needed to see and no one actually shows the press so you can visualize the actuation
@@Keybored You should do shorts on instagram or tik tok just comparing a ton. I would do cherry ___ and whatever you are comparing as a 3 way comparison. Love your videos. I am looking for something thats forceful like an MX blue but quieter. Something in between browns and blues. I think kiwis or T1 may be the way to go!
I just paused this video to say your "non-scientific" stem-to-stem test is the most awesome test method i've seen for tactiles. Total big-brain moment. You rock!
Awesome switch review, really like the differentiation of clackyness not being mixed in with pitch. Overall still the best mekkey content creator i know imo! :D
Thank you so much MrThis17! Hope the content was helpful! Sometimes difficult to show the minute differences of switches since some of them can be so similar to each other.
Love the intro, Scott! (hope I spelled that right lol) The tactility test is definitely new to me. -Just wanted to say that spring weight also may affect this test!- However, it is nice to visualize how sharp the tactility is on the individual stems, which is pretty clear here. Love the new mic, too. Quality content as always! Edit: ah, just realized you set the same spring for every switch! That’s effort!
Thank you Sol! The spring weight as well as its length definitely effects its tactility! A longer spring on a tactile makes the tactile feel more tactile! Lol
@@Keybored anytime! Can you do a review of the Gateron Ink Kangeroos next for tactiles? Nobody on youtube has done a decent review of them, just some bs type tests.
Purchased after watching your video. They just came in. Housings are indeed tight, but upon testing, filming does improve acoustics. Acoustics always seem to improve for other switches I own too even though the housings are tight (eg. U4T's and Panda variants).
Thanks for the review I was deciding on the exact switches. The sunflower has more of a loud crispy clack to it when you compared the two side by side.
I agree! I added a pop filter doing the voiceovers in the end of the video. I hope that made a difference! I didn't realize how much plosive the MV7 had! I'll have to watch some TH-cam videos on how to fix it :)
Keybored, Do you have experience swapping springs on the sunflower switch? What spring weight do you prefer? Thank you. Do you find the spring on the sunflower 67g too strong? I bought both boba u4t 62g and sunflower switch because of this video. Overall I feel the sunflower switch is superior in build quality (evident when opening and closing the switch). While I like the sound of boba u4t, the sunflower feels more premium to type on (not sure if the spring weight cause the feeling). Now I wondering if I should change the spring of the sunflower to 63.5gram or 65gram durock spring to get the best of both world, maintaining superior housing while lowering spring resistance for more comfortable typing, without feeling cheap like boba u4t. PS: sorry I don't mean to offend anyone. I still love the boba u4t and have it in my kbd67 v3 aluminum board. I don't think u4t is cheap, it's just not as premium built as the sunflower...just my honest opinion.
Yup! I replaced the sunflower springs with TX 62G Long springs since I do like it a bit lighter as well. I love the switch even more after the mod! Make sure to use the Long version since that makes tactiles more snappy
@@Keybored hi thank you. I found the long tx springs on mekibo website. Just curious, is tx springs better than durock springs? I noticed durock also makes 62g springs, so just curious why you chose the tx over durock. Thank you so much. I learn a lot from your videos.
Yeah so the stem pressing and the charts should all be standardised and used by everyone… or publish a giant chart somewhere of all swtiches haha. thank you, keep it up. Subscribed!
After using both for some time now, I actually prefer the sunflowers over the boba. After the sunflowers broke in, they feel very smooth while being crazy tactile.
These definitely have a sharp tactility response, especially compared to the glorious. Very smooth also. I would spring swap them though... the stock springs ping
Hi Grapechowder! Good seeing you! I do have 4 boxes of those sitting on my desk right now :) I'll do a few keyboard reviews/mods and jump on those after!
Did you experience these switches getting smoother over time? mine were super tactile and were a bit sluggish on the upstroke when I first got them. I didn't notice unless I was typing above 110 wpm, but it felt like the switch just wasn't coming up as fast as it should have. After a few days of use the tactility wasn't fatiguing to type on and the upstroke problem wasn't there anymore.
Yup! I feel like this phenomenon happens with a lot of switches, especially the hyper tactile ones with a huge bump... the bump and the leaf needs a bit of time to wear in, and afterwards, they do feel like they actuate much better
@@DeltaInsanity u4t 62g was easy to type on from the first day for me. Sunflower seemed to become nicer over time where the tactile bump doesn't feel as abrupt as it was originally. I did change the sunflower spring to a tx long 62g as recommended by KEYBORED and that really helped enhance the typing experience for me. Enjoy.
Could you maybe try swapping the stem of these with the housings of the u4ts, vice versa and tell us what the result of the frankenswitch would be? Thanks a lot for the review.
The thing I don't like in the sunflowers is there's like a delay in the return so it's not as snappy. It's hard to describe. I hope you know what I mean. Otherwise, I don't mind the sound. After messing around with smooth linears the scratchiness on typical tactiles is jarring to me now. I wish they would just slightly fix the sunflower's return. Maybe a long spring can help.
Hey scott, I was wondering. For your tofu65 o ring mod (sorry if unrelated just think a more recent video would get more attention) did you use a different screw? normal M2 tray mount screws were much shorter than what was shown in your video.
Hi Lime! I used the standard screw that it came with, but was told that some kits came with shorter ones. The screws that I used were M2x5mm! I hope that helps!
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Haha, I did notice that mid-way... I had to pop on a pop filter towards the end... I hope it noticeably improves! Will always use a pop filter going forward with the MV7!
I dont know how scientific is the switch duel method, but does that mean we can actually have more ways to proof/unproof that "all brown are the same"? Would be interesting to see if typical brown switches is actually as "not tactile" as people make it out to be and if theres any difference between mainstream browns.
Haha, probably not scientific at all :) But when you do drop the same springs into them all, you can see how one switch can feel more more tactile or not Vs. another, since the leaf/stem resistance comes through!
Haha, I know, I need to really put that out! Tinkering around with the GMMK Pro, I realized a lot of design short comings that cause that board to sound so dead and feel so stiff... not sure you can really fix both at once, but there are ways to either make it more flexible and kind of look weird, or make it sound better and look stock, but still feel stiff... I guess you have to pick one over the other. I'll try to get around to it as quickly as I can!
Somehow the Sunflower T1s still sound a bit scratchy? Still quite interesting. The only 'strong' tsctiles I maneged to make with minimal scratch are Dark Kiwi (Dark Jade Black stems in Kiwi housing). Might try getting some of these sunflowers to experiment with a bit. 😀
Kiwi housings are I feel are one of the smoothest :) In terms of feel, the Sunflowers definitely feel much smoother than the likes of the boba u4t for sure!
I do have them on hand right now :) I have a bunch of keyboard reviews coming up, and after that I'll try to get to the Akkos! But the Akkos are really nice for the pricepoint for sure!
Yup! The spring ping definitely gets better with lube. I have used the Krytox 105 oil on this, but I feel like superlube 51004 works better for more pingy springs like the durock springs...
Very interested in these T1s as they seem like an alternative to the C3Equalz Kiwis, are they fairly similar or would you say that Kiwis are entirely different compared to the Sunflowers? The only real experience I"ve had with tactiles so far are Zilents V2s and I'm intrigued by the sharp/high tactile bump that the Sunflowers have.
These are like the Kiwis on steroids actually lol. Much more tactile and sharper. They are also very very smooth with a really tight housing. Sound is a bit different, since these have the POM housing, so these are more loud and pronounced than the Kiwis
Both the boba u4t and sunflowers seem to have long stems. Does this mean I can technically use any of them with cherry profile keycaps without interference? Cause from what some people have suggested, if your switches have long stems there's not going to be any sort of interference on north facing led boards because the switch stem sticks up a little bit when bottomed out and it's not flush with the casing.
From experience, some of these cherry profile keycaps have more material and can interfere. But for the most part, the long stems do help here, so the chances of it are lower!
The boba u4t does have the thockiest sound for sure! All these switches are so tactile that I started to look for less tactile switches for daily uses lol
No problem! I really like the MV7, but still getting used to it! It is definitely so much cleaner than my previous Fifine, but being a dynamic mic, it needs to be much closer to the subject! For voice, it definitely has some plosives, but I realized that adding a pop filter in front really helps!
Hi doubleOZ! I have actually not tried the Everglide Jade Black/Moyu Blacks, but from what I hear about them, they have a sharper tactile bump Vs. the Panda switches, so I assume these will be similar in feel! But from what I have also heard, the Moyus are not the smoothest switch out there, so in that respect, the sunflowers should perform better in that department.
I would say that these are different Vs. the holy pandas. The HPs have a rounded bump type of tactility that travels from top to bottom, while these and the boba u4ts are very sharp. If you want a switch that feels like a type writer or light switch, the sunflower and the boba will be good, if you like the more rounded, longer bump, then the HP and GP are right for you!
@@Keybored ok thanks. Currently I have holy pandas in my build and I’m interested in using other tactile switches for other builds. Thank you this has been very helpful and I think I will be trying these some time in the future. Once again thank you so much for this comparison between the different switches it was very interesting:).
what switch that has the worst wobble you've ever tried your hands on? For me it's Gateron Green KS-9, damn the switches I've got are so wobbly that even all of my Outemu switches collection (Red, Brown, Blue, Purple, Silent Gray, Teal, Black, Crystal, Gold, Silent Yellow, Yellow Silver, Red Panda) aren't as bad as Green KS-9.
@@animationcanceling sorry for the late response! I tried it and it works. It creates a very snappy very very tactile switch when you put the halo stem in the sunflower. It's like a stronger holy t1. But the travel is very very short.
I'm planning to buy these switches for my build, should I film them and if I do which films do I use? I have a kemove shadowfox and this'll be my first upgrade. Also, I am fairly new to the hobby so any other tips would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
@@Keybored I wound up doing mine pretty generously with 205g0. Still very much the strongest tactile switch on the market, I'd say, but the lube cleans up the light amounts of spring ping, and the large amount of that hideous crunchy, pinging leaf noise, and makes the bump feel smoother and less ragged. Definitely a very enjoyable tactile switch, but looking forward to trying something of a lighter strength like SP-Star's Dark Magic Girls.
I also have a condenser mic, but it ends up picking up so much ambient noise that I would have to filter out with noise reduction. So I moved onto the dynamic mic to isolate the sound better :)
I did actually film mine :) They're not so loose like a JWK switch that a film makes or breaks the switch. However, I did notice that a thin one actually did help them feel a bit tighter. I used the .125mm thin TX film! But the .15mm also works so I feel the deskeys one will work fine!
Hi ia vy! The switch in the spacebar was the Mauve from Cannonkeys! I typically don't like to use tactiles for spacebars since I feel they don't feel as clean or sound as nice. :)
Funny how you ask, since I had this exact conversation with a friend this weekend with a batch of sunflowers and batch of Kiwis sitting out on a desk... I actually prefer the sunflower over the Kiwi. The Kiwi has slightly better stem tolerance and does feel a tad bit smoother to me, but the sound is sooo high pitched. The sunflower has better sound characteristics and more personality than the Kiwi I feel. The other side of the argument was that if you do drop halo stems into the kiwi and make "holy kiwis" then that becomes a fairly interesting switch, but that requires much more work and cost. As of today, I would take sunflowers Vs. the Kiwis, unless I needed the kiwis for their look... or really want a smooth tactile with a high pitched sound.
@@Keybored Awesome! Ofc im budget wise. I need kiwi's aesthetic, but also need those deep thocky sound from sunflower. Guess I will wait till hands on my kbd76 lite r2. And testing few of each on my board myself to find perfect one. Great video as always btw 👍
I feel like the tactility is almost the same... I think the U4T's scratch makes it feel like it might be slightly more tactile... but I like the smooth tactility of the Sunflowers better. But overall, these guys are soooo tactile that sometimes I have to swap to a linear switch board to relieve the fatigue...
Hi se se! I actually prefer linears over tactiles at the moment, and with that said I've been using a lot of the durock Pom. I really love the smooth clack it provides!
Go make Holy Koala (Halo Stem + Koala/T1 Housing). I found it more satisfying than Holy Panda. Also, if you really like rounded tactility i suggest you to just stock up Halo stems and go experimenting with other switches' housing. Halo stems are the perfect stems in my opinion to make a rounded tactility switches. I also love Holy Boba (Halo stem + Boba housing)
@@szchietzmane6436 Hey thanks for the suggestions, i actually have 140 halo stems lying around right now, will see which combinations i like best :) Holy Bobas did seem a lot harsher to me than HPs but I will definitely revisit them
@@TheMegabam5 Harsher as in too much tactile? If yes then go with Durock T1 or Koala (both of these are the same), because they are a lil bit less tactile than HP but still tactile enough and still rounded. But i suggest you make Holy Koala too and then compare it to Durock Koala to see which one is your preference
If you want even rounder tactility that is top bump, Zealios is also a good candidate. Just few years back, people were comparing these switches saying HP has sharp tactility compared to Zealios but now HP bump is even considered round.
I use both of these switches. Boba's are better in my opinion. The sound alone makes Boba better. Deep sound VS clacky sound. Deeper is always better for me. Also Sunflowers have a ton of spring ping. (Stock comparison.)
@@Keybored ok, so I just lubed my Sunflowers for the first time and it completely changed my mind about everything. The Sunflowers have a deeper pitch and much less stem wobble and stem wobble noise. I may actually stop using my Boba's, and unfortunately I have a shipment of more Boba's coming in next week. I heard Anubis switches are also Boba killers. You should review them. I'll check your channel real quick just in case you already have. But yeah man, Sunflowers beat Boba's after lubing. But Boba's win if comparing stock.
Tried these switches and the smoothness weirded me out. I'm not used to tactile switches being this smooth even lubed. The smoothness really makes the bump feel sharper than bobas. I think I still prefer bobas as they sound fuller and deeper. These kinda have a hollowness to them. The factory lubing is good so if you don't want to lube your switches, these might be a good option. Maybe they'll feel better after I break them in, but so far it's a bit too much for me.
It might be due to the stock durock springs. the gold plated durock springs are very pingy unfortunately... Going to something like a TX or Sprit spring really helps with this!
can anyone comment on the keychron K Pro Bananas? if used cherry MX clears for the longest time due to its strong bounceback but currently using browns which came included in my new board.
I feel this isn’t a complete review, after having tried both the U4t’s and the sunflowers, one very huge downside to the sunflower is the insane spring ping, even after lubing. I appreciate your attention to detail on the aspects you did cover, but to not mention spring ping (which in my opinion makes a big difference in the perceived quality of a switch) is a disservice. That and I don’t really feel the U4t’s are scratchy at all, even unlubed.
I swapped all of the sunflower springs out with 62g TX long springs eventually and took care of the issues. Durock springs in general are no good. Unfortunately, a lot of my U4Ts developed an odd chatter, so on top of the weird grittyness I get with mine, I had to retire a bunch of them away. Hope they can fix some of these issues.
@@Keybored Thanks for your reply, I may have missed it, but when you did the switch breakdown you didn't mention that you had replaced the springs in the the sunflowers, as a matter of fact you say that they are stock. Replacing the spring essentially makes this no longer a sunflower that the average person would be using in their board, again I feel this is a disservice to your viewers. I see you mention you have issues with the U4t's springs also, so why not make it a fair game and replace those springs as well? I just don't see how this is an accurate review, considering all of the above. I think you should be more transparent and equal when comparing switches, otherwise we are just watching your veiled review not knowing all of the details of how you've tested and modified just SOME of the switches.
Thank you SO MUCH for comparing and pressing the stems together. This is exactly what I needed to see and no one actually shows the press so you can visualize the actuation
you're very welcome! It's a good indicator to show the type of force you'll be experiencing at your fingertips as well :)
@@Keybored You should do shorts on instagram or tik tok just comparing a ton. I would do cherry ___ and whatever you are comparing as a 3 way comparison. Love your videos. I am looking for something thats forceful like an MX blue but quieter. Something in between browns and blues. I think kiwis or T1 may be the way to go!
I just paused this video to say your "non-scientific" stem-to-stem test is the most awesome test method i've seen for tactiles. Total big-brain moment. You rock!
Thank you so much Christian! Really appreciate that and hope the content is helpful!
I really wish reviewers would do the same tactility test as you do, i.e. pressing switches against each other. It just provides so much information.
That tactillity test actually really helped visualize the bump wish more channels did this!
:) No Problem! I'm glad it helped!
Pressing the stems together is such a big brained way of comparing the strength/shape of tactile bumps lol scott you're blowing my mind
:) Glad it was helpful! I tried to show how much one switch is harder to press down at the top Vs. another :)
The new mic is great! Making your videos somehow even more quality than ever 😂
me, pressing switches together: NOW KISS
Lol... pretty much that's what's happening :)
“kith” haha
Awesome switch review, really like the differentiation of clackyness not being mixed in with pitch. Overall still the best mekkey content creator i know imo! :D
Thanks An! Some switches are quiet and high pitched, and some are loud and deep. I wanted to make sure that I was getting that information across!
big fan of the channel and the high quality content, definitely my favourite keyboard channel right now, Scott. keep it up!
Thank you so much Lee Shenn! I really appreciate the support and comments! I'll keep up the grind!
one of the most well rounded analysis video i watched so far!!! keep it up
Thank you so much MrThis17! Hope the content was helpful! Sometimes difficult to show the minute differences of switches since some of them can be so similar to each other.
This is literally the perfect format for switch reviews.
Love the intro, Scott! (hope I spelled that right lol)
The tactility test is definitely new to me. -Just wanted to say that spring weight also may affect this test!- However, it is nice to visualize how sharp the tactility is on the individual stems, which is pretty clear here.
Love the new mic, too. Quality content as always!
Edit: ah, just realized you set the same spring for every switch! That’s effort!
Thank you Sol! The spring weight as well as its length definitely effects its tactility! A longer spring on a tactile makes the tactile feel more tactile! Lol
Been waitin on a review of these for a minute and who better to do it than my favorite keeb youtuber
:) Thank you Domi! I hope the video was helpful! The sunflowers are great!
@@Keybored It was! I might be looking into buying them for my new build
all the knowledge i was looking for was right here so easy and perfect due to that tactility test
outstanding video Scott. I like this intro significantly more. Quality content as always.
Thank you so much! :)
@@Keybored anytime! Can you do a review of the Gateron Ink Kangeroos next for tactiles? Nobody on youtube has done a decent review of them, just some bs type tests.
great video! loving the chart at the end
Glad it helps! Putting my powerpoint skills to use haha
I like the color, kinda has an industrial look to it.
Yup! Looks heavy industry for sure!
Perfect for a Yellow HMKB build with Heavy Industry or something like GMK Incognito
I mean I love 3ildcat, but this is BY FAR the best keyboard channel on TH-cam. Wishing you more and more success bro!
I love :3ildcat too! He does great work and I'm honored to be compared :) Thank you so much for the support!
Great analysis as always
:) Thanks Matt!
Purchased after watching your video. They just came in. Housings are indeed tight, but upon testing, filming does improve acoustics. Acoustics always seem to improve for other switches I own too even though the housings are tight (eg. U4T's and Panda variants).
What size of film did you use for them ?
@@JustCreateYou kbdfans .15mm
:) Yup I also back this up. The housings were tight enough to be good and I was getting too lazy with all these switches I had to lube and film lol
@@Keybored Same. I do like 10 a night before I go to sleep lol
@@Zer0zUnLtd The nightly routine!
Thanks for the review I was deciding on the exact switches. The sunflower has more of a loud crispy clack to it when you compared the two side by side.
I really enjoy the sunflowers! They are truly strong tactiles switches for sure
great review! one thing to look out for with your new mic: look our for those plosives!
For sure! I learned only after I started to hear back the recording. Towards the end, I started to use a pop filter, so I hope that made a difference!
Awesome video keep up the good work
Thank you Cup O Noodos! Love your user name!
I can’t believe I hadn’t subbed to you yet. Well I’m subbed now and best of luck and great video!
Thank you so much for the sub! I really appreciate it and I hope you check out some of the other content!
@@Keybored for sure I’ve been watch-listing a lot of your stuff for later!
2:03 we do. But can I suggest adding a pop-filter? The 'P' letter sounds a bit too explosive :)
I agree! I added a pop filter doing the voiceovers in the end of the video. I hope that made a difference! I didn't realize how much plosive the MV7 had! I'll have to watch some TH-cam videos on how to fix it :)
So informative!
Thank you! Glad you like the video!
I love your channel!
Thank you so much elaina! I appreciate the support and thanks for checking out the videos!
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Thank you ziayanG! I appreciate it!
Thumbnail game is improving my man! Lovely video as well, another interesting switch
Thank you sviz my man! Thanks for stopping by! There are so many switches out nowadays lol. Not sure where to even begin and stop anymore haha
Keybored, Do you have experience swapping springs on the sunflower switch? What spring weight do you prefer? Thank you.
Do you find the spring on the sunflower 67g too strong? I bought both boba u4t 62g and sunflower switch because of this video. Overall I feel the sunflower switch is superior in build quality (evident when opening and closing the switch). While I like the sound of boba u4t, the sunflower feels more premium to type on (not sure if the spring weight cause the feeling). Now I wondering if I should change the spring of the sunflower to 63.5gram or 65gram durock spring to get the best of both world, maintaining superior housing while lowering spring resistance for more comfortable typing, without feeling cheap like boba u4t.
PS: sorry I don't mean to offend anyone. I still love the boba u4t and have it in my kbd67 v3 aluminum board. I don't think u4t is cheap, it's just not as premium built as the sunflower...just my honest opinion.
Yup! I replaced the sunflower springs with TX 62G Long springs since I do like it a bit lighter as well. I love the switch even more after the mod! Make sure to use the Long version since that makes tactiles more snappy
@@Keybored hi thank you. I found the long tx springs on mekibo website. Just curious, is tx springs better than durock springs? I noticed durock also makes 62g springs, so just curious why you chose the tx over durock. Thank you so much. I learn a lot from your videos.
Yeah so the stem pressing and the charts should all be standardised and used by everyone… or publish a giant chart somewhere of all swtiches haha. thank you, keep it up. Subscribed!
Thank you so much for the sub! I appreciate the comments!
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new keybored video!
Hi okita souji! You were first also! Thank you for the support and hope the review is helpful!
Which one do you prefer? The Durock or the Boba? Great video btw!
After using both for some time now, I actually prefer the sunflowers over the boba. After the sunflowers broke in, they feel very smooth while being crazy tactile.
@@Keybored thank you mate! Have a nice day
I thought the sunflowers were factory lubed? Is this not the case?
Thanks, since u4t is sold out for the most part, I think I'll give these a shot. I love my u4ts and hate my glorious pandas. I'm excited to try these.
These definitely have a sharp tactility response, especially compared to the glorious. Very smooth also. I would spring swap them though... the stock springs ping
New mic!!! Pog!!! Do you think you could do a review of the Akko cs switches?
Hi Grapechowder! Good seeing you! I do have 4 boxes of those sitting on my desk right now :) I'll do a few keyboard reviews/mods and jump on those after!
@@Keybored yeah I’m just very curious about them. They seem Amazing for the price and was thinking about putting in my next build.
I pick the Boba u4t for the sound. Also, I love your channel!
Boba u4T is the thockiest of them all!
I really love my U4T. That Sunflower looks like it's worth a try.
If you like the u4t, you'll also like the sunflower! Great smooth tactile switch!
very well done 👌
Thank you so much TwisT! I appreciate it!
Did you experience these switches getting smoother over time? mine were super tactile and were a bit sluggish on the upstroke when I first got them. I didn't notice unless I was typing above 110 wpm, but it felt like the switch just wasn't coming up as fast as it should have. After a few days of use the tactility wasn't fatiguing to type on and the upstroke problem wasn't there anymore.
Yup! I feel like this phenomenon happens with a lot of switches, especially the hyper tactile ones with a huge bump... the bump and the leaf needs a bit of time to wear in, and afterwards, they do feel like they actuate much better
@@Keybored I know this comment is over 9 months old, but does this also happen with Boba U4T switches?
@@DeltaInsanity u4t 62g was easy to type on from the first day for me. Sunflower seemed to become nicer over time where the tactile bump doesn't feel as abrupt as it was originally. I did change the sunflower spring to a tx long 62g as recommended by KEYBORED and that really helped enhance the typing experience for me. Enjoy.
Could you maybe try swapping the stem of these with the housings of the u4ts, vice versa and tell us what the result of the frankenswitch would be? Thanks a lot for the review.
@@Keybored What do you mean by upgrading?
@@marcojimenez2369 ooh interesting... The response for another comment ended up in this one... Sorry about the mix up!
@@Keybored Then again sir, maybe you could try? hehe
@@marcojimenez2369 yup, I'll try it later today!
@@Keybored Thanks a lot!
The thing I don't like in the sunflowers is there's like a delay in the return so it's not as snappy. It's hard to describe. I hope you know what I mean. Otherwise, I don't mind the sound. After messing around with smooth linears the scratchiness on typical tactiles is jarring to me now. I wish they would just slightly fix the sunflower's return. Maybe a long spring can help.
I swapped all my springs with TX longs!
What gram spring did you use or is there only one weight?
Hey scott,
I was wondering. For your tofu65 o ring mod (sorry if unrelated just think a more recent video would get more attention) did you use a different screw? normal M2 tray mount screws were much shorter than what was shown in your video.
Hi Lime! I used the standard screw that it came with, but was told that some kits came with shorter ones. The screws that I used were M2x5mm! I hope that helps!
WHY IS THERE A DISLIKE??????? DOES SOMEONE HATE THIS BEAUTIFUL MAN (i hope those are your pronouns, so sorry if i'm wrong) SO MUCH FOR NO REASON????? HE IS AWESOME
:) Can't always win everyone's approval I guess. Thank you for the support! I really appreciate it :)
@@Keybored AHHHHHHHHHHHH i love you
I tried the sunflower on my think v2 with pom plate and they feel and sound really awesome
They are very smooth for how tactile they are!
your plosives are pleasingly poppin papi
Haha, I did notice that mid-way... I had to pop on a pop filter towards the end... I hope it noticeably improves! Will always use a pop filter going forward with the MV7!
@@Keybored
yellow switches always look really good
:) like a sunflower
I got some damn they are really tactile. Honestly, could be a little too much for my tastes, but it was certainly smooth.
Haha, yeah they are like hyper tactile. I think one of the most tactile out there right now. But they are smoooooth
I dont know how scientific is the switch duel method, but does that mean we can actually have more ways to proof/unproof that "all brown are the same"? Would be interesting to see if typical brown switches is actually as "not tactile" as people make it out to be and if theres any difference between mainstream browns.
Haha, probably not scientific at all :) But when you do drop the same springs into them all, you can see how one switch can feel more more tactile or not Vs. another, since the leaf/stem resistance comes through!
but when is that gmmk pro mod video coming out tho 😋
Haha, I know, I need to really put that out! Tinkering around with the GMMK Pro, I realized a lot of design short comings that cause that board to sound so dead and feel so stiff... not sure you can really fix both at once, but there are ways to either make it more flexible and kind of look weird, or make it sound better and look stock, but still feel stiff... I guess you have to pick one over the other. I'll try to get around to it as quickly as I can!
That's a nice clack!
I personally think it sounds better unlubed, the pitch of the lubed sunflowers kinda annoys me hahaha
:) All about that preference :)
Somehow the Sunflower T1s still sound a bit scratchy? Still quite interesting. The only 'strong' tsctiles I maneged to make with minimal scratch are Dark Kiwi (Dark Jade Black stems in Kiwi housing). Might try getting some of these sunflowers to experiment with a bit. 😀
Kiwi housings are I feel are one of the smoothest :) In terms of feel, the Sunflowers definitely feel much smoother than the likes of the boba u4t for sure!
Awesome review! Would recommend putting some foam in ur keyboard, it sounds a bit hollow imo
Thanks for the suggestion!
Are you going to do a review of the akko cs??
I do have them on hand right now :) I have a bunch of keyboard reviews coming up, and after that I'll try to get to the Akkos! But the Akkos are really nice for the pricepoint for sure!
Does the stem of the sunflower T1 cause interference with cherry profile keycaps on north facing boards?
does the spring ping decrease with lube? very informal and relaxing video btw!
Yup! The spring ping definitely gets better with lube. I have used the Krytox 105 oil on this, but I feel like superlube 51004 works better for more pingy springs like the durock springs...
@@Keybored oh, thank you so much! I'll definitely try to find some superlube once I purchase these 😊
Very interested in these T1s as they seem like an alternative to the C3Equalz Kiwis, are they fairly similar or would you say that Kiwis are entirely different compared to the Sunflowers? The only real experience I"ve had with tactiles so far are Zilents V2s and I'm intrigued by the sharp/high tactile bump that the Sunflowers have.
These are like the Kiwis on steroids actually lol. Much more tactile and sharper. They are also very very smooth with a really tight housing. Sound is a bit different, since these have the POM housing, so these are more loud and pronounced than the Kiwis
Both the boba u4t and sunflowers seem to have long stems. Does this mean I can technically use any of them with cherry profile keycaps without interference? Cause from what some people have suggested, if your switches have long stems there's not going to be any sort of interference on north facing led boards because the switch stem sticks up a little bit when bottomed out and it's not flush with the casing.
From experience, some of these cherry profile keycaps have more material and can interfere. But for the most part, the long stems do help here, so the chances of it are lower!
The boba u4t are my favorite because of the sound. I don't really care if the switch is not that smooth. As long as it is smooth enough.
The boba u4t does have the thockiest sound for sure! All these switches are so tactile that I started to look for less tactile switches for daily uses lol
@@Keybored which less tactile switch did you settle on for daily use?
boba u4t review when
How do you like the MV7? I literally just ordered this last night for recording keyboard sounds. I wish I had you links when I purchased. Sorry
No problem! I really like the MV7, but still getting used to it! It is definitely so much cleaner than my previous Fifine, but being a dynamic mic, it needs to be much closer to the subject! For voice, it definitely has some plosives, but I realized that adding a pop filter in front really helps!
@@Keybored yes! I ordered the pop filter for the SMB7. It helps a lot! Do you record the keyboard using the "far" setting?
how does all this compare to the Everglide Jade black/ Moyu Black?
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Hi doubleOZ! I have actually not tried the Everglide Jade Black/Moyu Blacks, but from what I hear about them, they have a sharper tactile bump Vs. the Panda switches, so I assume these will be similar in feel! But from what I have also heard, the Moyus are not the smoothest switch out there, so in that respect, the sunflowers should perform better in that department.
How about the Boba U4T and these?
Would you say these are better than holy pandas?
I would say that these are different Vs. the holy pandas. The HPs have a rounded bump type of tactility that travels from top to bottom, while these and the boba u4ts are very sharp. If you want a switch that feels like a type writer or light switch, the sunflower and the boba will be good, if you like the more rounded, longer bump, then the HP and GP are right for you!
@@Keybored ok thanks. Currently I have holy pandas in my build and I’m interested in using other tactile switches for other builds. Thank you this has been very helpful and I think I will be trying these some time in the future. Once again thank you so much for this comparison between the different switches it was very interesting:).
@@Keybored also sry that was wrote poorly on my phone rn:) lol
@@Keybored worth an upgrade over reg T1s?
the lubed sunflowers remind me of the stock lazer gun sound effect
what switch that has the worst wobble you've ever tried your hands on?
For me it's Gateron Green KS-9, damn the switches I've got are so wobbly that even all of my Outemu switches collection (Red, Brown, Blue, Purple, Silent Gray, Teal, Black, Crystal, Gold, Silent Yellow, Yellow Silver, Red Panda) aren't as bad as Green KS-9.
hey great video, i have a few questions about tofu65
Hi szagii_ I think I saw an email come in from you. I hope I provided the answers to your questions!
Do you recommend filming this swithces?
How's the BOBA U4T tactility vs a Zealios v2? Any chance you can do the test like in your video? Would very much appreciate it.
I would say that the BOBA U4T is more tactile!
@@Keybored BOBA U4T it is then, thank you so much!
have you tried putting a halo stem into the sunflowers? And if so, how do they feel?
I have not! But I can definitely try
@@Keybored please let me know! I'm wondering if it sounds/feels different when comparing to halo stem + koala or halo + t1
@@Keybored any update?
@@animationcanceling sorry for the late response! I tried it and it works. It creates a very snappy very very tactile switch when you put the halo stem in the sunflower. It's like a stronger holy t1. But the travel is very very short.
@@Keybored wow, awesome. so you'd say its more tactile than the holy t1's huh? Thats interesting, I might have to grab some sunflowers now! Thanks!
I'm planning to buy these switches for my build, should I film them and if I do which films do I use? I have a kemove shadowfox and this'll be my first upgrade. Also, I am fairly new to the hobby so any other tips would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
With the sunflowers, I would actually advise against filming them! I noticed that filming them didn't do much at all because the housing is so tight!
I prefer a clacky smooth mid pitch switch for both linear and tactiles
I think you'll like these then :) I prefer this over the boba u4t... u4t is thoccier but feels gritty compared to these
@@Keybored a reply from the keybored again?! Man this man actually interacts with the community 😲
Have you tried lubing them with Tri 3203, and how does it feel compared to 3204/204g0?
I haven't use the trybosis version, but that should work fine as well! Most non-krytox 205 lubes actually felt much more "glidy" for me with tactiles!
@@Keybored I wound up doing mine pretty generously with 205g0. Still very much the strongest tactile switch on the market, I'd say, but the lube cleans up the light amounts of spring ping, and the large amount of that hideous crunchy, pinging leaf noise, and makes the bump feel smoother and less ragged. Definitely a very enjoyable tactile switch, but looking forward to trying something of a lighter strength like SP-Star's Dark Magic Girls.
I regret ignoring Boba U4T before. I spent too much on other switches, including some expensive Pandas and TTCs. :(
Yeah... there are sooooo many switches out there now... it's kind of crazy
wondering why you choose a dynamic mic over other options
I also have a condenser mic, but it ends up picking up so much ambient noise that I would have to filter out with noise reduction. So I moved onto the dynamic mic to isolate the sound better :)
would you recommend filming these? i hope deskeys film would fit them T^T
I did actually film mine :) They're not so loose like a JWK switch that a film makes or breaks the switch. However, I did notice that a thin one actually did help them feel a bit tighter. I used the .125mm thin TX film! But the .15mm also works so I feel the deskeys one will work fine!
@@Keybored yay!! your reply is very much appreciated 😭
do these have a stronger tactility than the everglide dark jades/moyu blacks? and the nk blueberries?
HI Sakina! I believe the everglide and moyus are stronger in tactility feel, but I feel they are stronger than blueberries
@@Keybored thank you so much Scott! I have a soft spot for these sunflowers so I'll just spring swap them with some extreme slow sprit springs ^¬^
@@3lea.strato extreme slow are a very good idea for tactiles! Makes them extra crisp
@@Keybored exactly!! I'm really excited. i love some extra crispy Tactiles.
Have you also compared it to 63g boba u4t? Could spring swap the sunflowers too
what switch in on your spacebar? the purple stem and white housing
Hi ia vy! The switch in the spacebar was the Mauve from Cannonkeys! I typically don't like to use tactiles for spacebars since I feel they don't feel as clean or sound as nice. :)
Can you make a video on the anubis switches?
I'll do a search on those and see what they're about! I have a lot of new switches on hand that I'll be reviewing soon!
@@Keybored ok thank you! I’m trying build a tofu 65 but cant choose between Anubis or alpaca
I think the right board, these could sound really nice.
These definitely felt more intense on my PC plate KBD67 Lite!
which do you prefer, c3 kiwi or sunflower? im really confuse which to choose between those two
Funny how you ask, since I had this exact conversation with a friend this weekend with a batch of sunflowers and batch of Kiwis sitting out on a desk... I actually prefer the sunflower over the Kiwi. The Kiwi has slightly better stem tolerance and does feel a tad bit smoother to me, but the sound is sooo high pitched. The sunflower has better sound characteristics and more personality than the Kiwi I feel. The other side of the argument was that if you do drop halo stems into the kiwi and make "holy kiwis" then that becomes a fairly interesting switch, but that requires much more work and cost. As of today, I would take sunflowers Vs. the Kiwis, unless I needed the kiwis for their look... or really want a smooth tactile with a high pitched sound.
@@Keybored Awesome! Ofc im budget wise.
I need kiwi's aesthetic, but also need those deep thocky sound from sunflower.
Guess I will wait till hands on my kbd76 lite r2.
And testing few of each on my board myself to find perfect one.
Great video as always btw 👍
which one would you say is slightly more tactile, sunflowers or u4ts?
I feel like the tactility is almost the same... I think the U4T's scratch makes it feel like it might be slightly more tactile... but I like the smooth tactility of the Sunflowers better. But overall, these guys are soooo tactile that sometimes I have to swap to a linear switch board to relieve the fatigue...
idk if you still respond to comments but is compatible with the rk61?
Still do! Sometimes takes a little longer, but I try my best. As long as the rk 61 has a hot swap 5 pin, this will work!
Can you review the gateron blizzards?
I haven't had a chance to take a look at those! Let me search what they are lol
@@Keybored They are a tactile switch on kbd fans they go for about 55 cents per switch.
What's the name of the music at the beginning?
What is your absolute favorite switch right now for typing a lot of text?
Hi se se! I actually prefer linears over tactiles at the moment, and with that said I've been using a lot of the durock Pom. I really love the smooth clack it provides!
What is the ‘’best’’ linear switch?
QUICK! Drop everything Keybored posted a new video!
Haha, I appreciate the support xanmuffin! I hope you enjoy the video!
Do you know of any switches that have a similar round tactility to the HPs?
Go make Holy Koala (Halo Stem + Koala/T1 Housing). I found it more satisfying than Holy Panda.
Also, if you really like rounded tactility i suggest you to just stock up Halo stems and go experimenting with other switches' housing. Halo stems are the perfect stems in my opinion to make a rounded tactility switches. I also love Holy Boba (Halo stem + Boba housing)
@@szchietzmane6436 Hey thanks for the suggestions, i actually have 140 halo stems lying around right now, will see which combinations i like best :) Holy Bobas did seem a lot harsher to me than HPs but I will definitely revisit them
Yup! The glorious panda is another HP alternative. Anything with the halo stem or glorious stem will end up with a rounded bump :)
@@TheMegabam5 Harsher as in too much tactile? If yes then go with Durock T1 or Koala (both of these are the same), because they are a lil bit less tactile than HP but still tactile enough and still rounded. But i suggest you make Holy Koala too and then compare it to Durock Koala to see which one is your preference
If you want even rounder tactility that is top bump, Zealios is also a good candidate. Just few years back, people were comparing these switches saying HP has sharp tactility compared to Zealios but now HP bump is even considered round.
I use both of these switches. Boba's are better in my opinion. The sound alone makes Boba better. Deep sound VS clacky sound. Deeper is always better for me. Also Sunflowers have a ton of spring ping. (Stock comparison.)
Yeah the stock spring isn't the best in the sunflowers. I ended up swapping them all out for TX long 62g and they are much better now!
@@Keybored what is the deepest sounding tactiles you've heard? So far the U4T's are the deepest I've heard.
@@Human_Evolution- probably the u4ts and maybe the coffee chips
@@Keybored ok, so I just lubed my Sunflowers for the first time and it completely changed my mind about everything. The Sunflowers have a deeper pitch and much less stem wobble and stem wobble noise. I may actually stop using my Boba's, and unfortunately I have a shipment of more Boba's coming in next week. I heard Anubis switches are also Boba killers. You should review them. I'll check your channel real quick just in case you already have. But yeah man, Sunflowers beat Boba's after lubing. But Boba's win if comparing stock.
Tried these switches and the smoothness weirded me out. I'm not used to tactile switches being this smooth even lubed. The smoothness really makes the bump feel sharper than bobas. I think I still prefer bobas as they sound fuller and deeper. These kinda have a hollowness to them. The factory lubing is good so if you don't want to lube your switches, these might be a good option. Maybe they'll feel better after I break them in, but so far it's a bit too much for me.
Haha, they definitely are a smooth switch! It's the mystery stem
Is it me or sunflower have more spring ping than u4t in stock?
It might be due to the stock durock springs. the gold plated durock springs are very pingy unfortunately... Going to something like a TX or Sprit spring really helps with this!
wierd that you say the bobas are loose cuz evereywhere else ppl say there crzy tight
That's interesting as well. Perhaps I have a weird batch. Mine also has leaf chatter and some switches stopped working all together :(
wierd maybe you got a bad batch :( thats sad
@@Keybored also im super suprised u responded to my comment i rlly apreciate it
@@Keybored maybe if u really wanted to see you could try just buying a few more and seeing how it goes
can anyone comment on the keychron K Pro Bananas? if used cherry MX clears for the longest time due to its strong bounceback but currently using browns which came included in my new board.
which one longer stem between sunflower t1 or boba u4t??
I think the boba might be slightly longer
Just bought 90 for a tkl board, gonna make some holy bobas
Hope they work out!
@@Keybored great video by the way, thank you!
Sound a little scratchy stock.
Boba U4T all the way!
U4T is deeper, it's all about preference!
You should get a pop filter for your mic setup.
I do! I think for a few of these videos I didn't use it... and the plosives went crazy. So now I make sure to use it each time!
I feel this isn’t a complete review, after having tried both the U4t’s and the sunflowers, one very huge downside to the sunflower is the insane spring ping, even after lubing. I appreciate your attention to detail on the aspects you did cover, but to not mention spring ping (which in my opinion makes a big difference in the perceived quality of a switch) is a disservice. That and I don’t really feel the U4t’s are scratchy at all, even unlubed.
I swapped all of the sunflower springs out with 62g TX long springs eventually and took care of the issues. Durock springs in general are no good. Unfortunately, a lot of my U4Ts developed an odd chatter, so on top of the weird grittyness I get with mine, I had to retire a bunch of them away. Hope they can fix some of these issues.
@@Keybored Thanks for your reply, I may have missed it, but when you did the switch breakdown you didn't mention that you had replaced the springs in the the sunflowers, as a matter of fact you say that they are stock. Replacing the spring essentially makes this no longer a sunflower that the average person would be using in their board, again I feel this is a disservice to your viewers. I see you mention you have issues with the U4t's springs also, so why not make it a fair game and replace those springs as well? I just don't see how this is an accurate review, considering all of the above. I think you should be more transparent and equal when comparing switches, otherwise we are just watching your veiled review not knowing all of the details of how you've tested and modified just SOME of the switches.
So, is sunflower or u4t better
I think if you want the thoc, the u4t is the better choice. If you don't mind a slightly higher pitch, but want smooth, the Sunflower!
@@Keybored I like the sound of the sunflowers more but they are also more expensive in my country.