@@scoutdogfsr I had a 63 Falcon with only 144 cid. Now, that was small @ less than half the size of the 292. I should have said, small, relative to the other two motors, in this “Other Guys” trio.👍
When I was racing in a class that only aloud 255 CI 6 cylinders we would cut out the bolt boss on the intake and use cap screws this improved the airflow quite a bit. (used pipe plugs to plug the tops)
Really love this series. Some of the other "other guys" are kind of a no brainier.... The Buick, Pontiac, Cleveland stuff, etc. They all made massive power in their day. This little guy.... He was worked, tortured, pushed... The love he ever got was an oil change... If that!!! Great stuff you're doing. I can't wait to see a 300 up there. I know I'm not alone. 👍
Long motors, for long runs? Have had a Chev and Dodge with long motors - the Chev was a smaller one that looked like this one, and the Dodge leaned over…
Man I can't wait to see how that 292 does with a Comp cam, a good port and polish on the head, maybe some oversized valves, that Clifford intake, and that 650 Holley. I think it'll be a strong inline six.
By far this is one of the more useful dyno videos I've seen for the inline 292. My guess is headers, intake, carb and cam are all needed to make a real improvement. Improving head flow is gonna cost some real money but it would build on what ever is done before. Improving an inline is gonna cost you. Thank you Richard.
I had 1970 nova straight 6 with 2 speed bought 1800 dollars in 1996 I like the stockness but to get it to burn out I told my pen pal from Australia what I like to do get it to burn out and keep it stock. My pen pal got me Aussie speed intake and I purchased a Paxson super charger kit. It sounded like a mad tractor but it would do burn outs for ever.
I had a 76 Nova back in the day with a 250 6cyl , 292 dump truck exhaust manifold , a Offy intake with a 390 cfm Holley and a curved distributor . Sounds crazy but it won many a race WAY OUT of its imagined abilities . Newer Trans Ams , Z-28s , 302 Mustangs all stock got a view of my tail lights . I never could understand why .......???
Always a pleasure to see the shenanigans Richard concocts, thanks Richard! ;) I know there are 292 fans out there, pretty sure they still race them....
I have one on a Chevy 261 6 using a EFI Throttle body. It is a gem. The Clifford products I have purchased are all top quality well designed and built.
Im running a holley 390 4 barrel, with a offenhauser intake and headman headers. 650 cfm is way to big for a 250 or 290 inline. Also running msd. Other upgrades that help these engines is a port lumps head kit that removes the bolts in the intake runners and the typical cam and larger valves.
Loving this project, and in a way, this engine is the big daddy to our popular GM Holden six we ran here in Aus for many years. I'd love to see a project like this from you based on the Slant Six some day, another awesome and unique engine of the period.
Sure do respect the Aussies for their love of vehicles. I think American and Australia are nearly equal in that way. One exception is the Aussies road race the hell out of the old muscle cars!
You Australians and Brazilians do some incredible things with the inline 6s. I would sub to any build videos you guy would do. I would pay to watch those.
Who has the shortest intake? The Aussie Speed will run 2in into the side of my doghouse the PES intake does the same. Do you think the Offenhauser is shortest? San Diego
Richard, great work!!! Keep it going !! With a turbo, cam cylinder head modded, ported, 1.84" intake 1.6" exhaust, intake lump port bolt in, (helps the short turn radius), should make 500 ft lbs with enough boost pressure about 20-25 PSI. Crank can take it, rods are a bit weak (they are forged) to rev high, 4.120" stroke, main cap for every rod, strong enough. I believe a better damper is needed to rev higher. Harmonics really wreak havoc on these 6 cylinders. Too much torsional vibrations takes away a lot of HP, need to keep that in check. It is a lower reving engine as compared to a 194,230, 250 CI engine. Can't wait for more videos!
A buddy of mine found a head off of a Blue Flame years ago and modified it to fit a 292 many years ago when such things were easy to find in the junk yard and weren't worth their weight in gold! We put it in a a 65 C10 it did real good!
Can't wait for the efi ford 300 series of tests😁😁 The largest group of straight six enthusiasts would have to be the jeep 6 guys tho. A 4.0 amc/jeep build would be fantastic. We ran a stock, rebuilt 4.0 cherokee 2wd automatic on our dynojet. Rated at 170hp flywheel, it made 145 dynojet wheel hp. Kind of impressive. Looking at the 4.0 cylinder head ports vs the efi ford 300, and the chevy 250/292 head tells the whole story.
Thanks Richard, another Awesome video. A 12 percent increase from an easy bolt on upgrade is always a win. At a low starting point of 145 12 percent is something that you would definitely feel driving this on the road. It was also great that David Frieburger gave you and your TH-cam channel a shout out on the latest episode of Engine Masters. Can't wait for the cylinder head and cam upgrades. Cheers. 👍
This motor your doing is the bigger brother of our(Australian) Holden 6. Our 202 has been developed so much over the years that now some are doing 450na and 600+ boosted. Love ya work.
I got a 1927 Ford I put a a Clifford intake with a 450 carburetor and headers it runs really fine I've never had it done it's got a 350 turbo automatic anyway I love it runs great thanks for all the info
These engines are capable of 375hp/510tq on boost. On stock block, stock crank, stock rods. Can do well over that if you want to throw half of your wallet at it. Engine, machine work, cam, intake, carb, lifters, push rod, piston, distributor upgrades with a Ebay turbo/intercooler kit will be under $4500 and should net at least 350hp.
The Ford 300 6 cylinder. With upgraded head and cam with the Clifford intake 4 barrel and headers. I had a Jasper rebuilt that I wanted to do to my 1981 F 100. But a new house and life got in the way. Maybe a 302 build was what I really needed. Never know. But the Jasper rebuld engine was a good choice. I drove that truck until everything else broke or fell off of it. Donated it for a good cause. In the late 90's. Shawn.
DeanMk1 that would be cool. An aftermarket aluminum head would go a long way too. There’s a talented machinist working on one. Hopefully he will go into production someday.
fond memories of running a 292 six in my H/Gas '48 Anglia back in the early 60's. The bore was .060 over for 301ci which everyone thought was an eighth over 283. There were no hot rod parts other than cams and valve gear so I made my own intake manifolds ( 2 AFBs) and exhaust headers. It was competitive until some guys* cut three cylinders from two V8 heads and welded them up to provide cross flow breathing. ETs went from the low 11's to the10s overnight and the H/Gas was done for. *As I recall it was Becker & O'Connell with "The Hummer"
I rember Jim headrick ran a 292 in h modified production . He ran 3 2 barrels . They were side by side. Pourman injection . He made his manifolds from header pipes too. They broke a lot of cans. Did you also brake a lot of cams
I had a 1964 C10 with a factory 230 ci. I upgraded with hooker headers and an Offenhauser 4 barrel intake with an adapter and a 500 cfm holley. I upgraded the cam to the equivalent of a big block Chevy 375 horse 396 which was 500 lift and 290 duration. Factory 3 speed and 411 gears. It ran great. I often outran v8 Mustangs and other v8 cars. It would float the valves at 100 mph. Looking back I needed more valve spring. I worked with what I had.
Small 4v for me. Cruise on the small primaries for economy. I run a 500 Carter AFB on my AMC 232, with Lunati cam, Offy intake, HEI and later exhaust manifold, and I get 21mpg. With my driving habits, lol. I'm not kind to it. Keep up the i6 content!!
Great test. Be interested to see what a 0.650-0.670 lift cam would do for this engine with a 10.0:1 compression ratio and reworked head with larger valves and springs. Dreaming of a test with a Sissel twelve port head. I know, it’s a really high dollar head but the results would be interesting.
Lot's of hard work, so full marks. Can't say the big 6 does much for me but if one has one, that then becomes a whole different ball game. Good cheer, to all engine fixers out there!
I mean roadside repairs. There is no way its easier to change an waterpump, alternator, ect in a tight engine bay. Add in the electronic component and the LS powered car is on the back of a flatbed getting hauled home for the fix. You can't deny that. Remember I said basic tools. Like a basic set most guys carry in a trunk or pickup bed. But I get your point too. On a stand the LS is easy to wrench on
@@scoutdogfsr Two bolts for the alternator, 6 bolts for the water pump . The only thing computer needs to run are crank sensor and a map sensor( it will still run without a MAF and cam sensor no problem ) . A fuel injector can go bad and so can a coil but it won't leave you stranded can still limp on 7 cylinders. A $20 scan tool will tell you what the problem is. The only thing that can leave you stranded really is the electric fuel pump that's it . Changing injectors and coils are actually easier on the LS than changing out the distributor or cleaning out carb on the 292.
@@scoutdogfsr what I'm trying to say is if one has even a little knowledge about LS engines they are very easy and basic to work on . You won't understand this unless you are a full time mechanic , the fasteners and gasket design alone makes LS engines such a breeze to work on . As for room under the hood ,full size GM trucks have plenty and that's where the LS engine is most commonly found and so was the 292
I would love to see you do these same tests on the ford 300 just to see differences between the two makes there almost similar displacement same non crossflow heads you can run an older 300 with the carb or use an efi head with an offenhuaser c series 4bbrl intake. The efi head also has heart shaped combustion chambers with dual exhaust manifolds you could run twin turbos on the new head pretty easy
That was a lot of fun! I’d like to see a carb installed that the Clifford was designed for, along with an HEI that you tailor the springs to match. I suspect there’s power hiding in the ignition that wants to be released.
I love stovebolt 6 cylinders I had a 58 235 inline in my 50 chevy business coupe. It was 30 over mcgurk pistons a Barry's cam Clifford true headers with a Clifford 4 barrel intake and a billet adapter I made for a weiand 144 supercharger electronic ignition and a 750 holly. It made over 300 hp and was a smash hit at car shows.. 6=8 .
Seeing an inline 6 modified reminds me of my youth. When I was a kid I used to go to our local stock car races with my friend and his dad and back then they had a six cylinder class. The inlines made good power and were almost as fast as the V8 powered late models that ran there. Their lap times were only about a second slower and the class was much more affordable for the garage builders who ran there. I miss those days. A guy could build and race a stock car for a couple grand back then. Now most of those small tracks are gone and the ones that exist run $$$$$ cars where you need to win the lotto just to compete.
One more test might be the good manifold with the original one barrel. I have a modified 250 that out ran a 400 firebird when it was in a 67 chevelle. Has domed pistons, 202 valves, but still had original one barrel and manifolds. Bigger carburetors may be the biggest mistake in hopping up motors. I remember a 56 Pontiac v-8 with a one barrel that ran about 120 mph.
I'm putting a small 4 BBL on my 250 that came from a 4100 Cadillac engine. I think it will be perfect to get a good combo of power AND mileage. I've also got long tube headers and a lump port kit. I shall see.
Triple side draft Webers would look slick. As would this www.69pace.com/6shooters.htm While there obviously the money issue the world of 3D printing is going to allow the hot rodder with deep pockets and imagination to get really creative. If Porsche can 3D print pistons then why not 3D printed cylinder heads.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Clifford Performance* probably sold or sells a triple carb manifold *company motto, 6 Equals 8 The big issue with US built inline sixes is they were all with only a couple exceptions non-crossflow heads
@@mpetersen6 same problem here... Because Holden was a division of GM we basically followed GM's design strategy. While Ford made a very successful ally cross flow head engine in the 70's, Holden continued on with more of the same. We basically had to import a Japanese engine (Nissan RB30) to replace the well out of date Holden straight six. Makes you wonder where the inline six market might be today if Holden put the time and effort into making a competing product to Ford's crossflow six during the 70's.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering The six would still be dead and buried. They never did get past the cooling issues a modded Holden six has. The only reason Holden brought in the RB30 was because their six cylinder injected black engine failed so miserably to meet any of it's performance targets and they knew GM corporate was forcing the Buick V6 onto them to save the cost of building Australia only engines. Way cheaper to import Buick V6's and LS's in crates as complete engine/ trans packages. Don't get me wrong, the red six was a nice engine, it just became too small and outdated for the larger cars forced upon it.
@@anthonymason701 a few coats of touch up paint is fun to brush all over a torn gasket instead of scraping it off and making another if the gasket is still there.
someone used red rtv to hold my friends cracked jeep 232 exhaust manifold together for a short period of time! when we got it after it had been sitting for 10+ years it was leaking pretty bad when we took it off to put a header on because we thought itd be a good mod for some more torque the manifold cracked into 3 pieces, made my friend real glad i told him to buy a header for it LOL
An Edelbrock 600 will work on a WCFB style intake manifold. I replaced several on late 50's to mid 60's engines. They bolt right on using the inner bolt holes on the carb. And the throttle blades are small enough to fit in the 4 hole intakes.
My grandpa had a 1960’s Ford performance book that showed how to mill the ends of the factory straight 6 intake and install 2 extra single barrel carbs making for 3 one barrel carbs. Back to the drawing board and modify the stock intake to hold 3 stock carbs. Makes like 700 hp ....... or maybe it was 70 ?
Learned on my flathead. A big(500cfm) 2 barrel is awful because the signal strength is weak at part throttle/ low rpm. A small (390 cfm) vacuum secondary 4 barrel drives WAY better and makes as much power.
It would have been interesting to modify the factory intake to accept the 2 bbl directly (ish) and see if the restriction is just in the 1 bbl hole or the rest of the manifold.
on that 292 chevy use a 390 crm holey 4barrell i think that it would be the best those others ate just to free breathing better fule discharge will all ways pull more hp and its a easy bolt on pluse it has vac secondarys to help transition i think it would easy and best for all around combo or a 450 cfm max.but i like to see a cam of 260-260 112 at 480 lift and 2-4 deegrees advanced .a cam of that genral specs it should be a good up grade and street able right down to the traffic light and should get you to at most 4500 rpms with out the horse power falling off pluse good milage to boot give it a try
@@richardholdener1727260 @0.50 its a littel big but 5500rpms okay but 6500 rpms well let see if it can take it for one minute with boost ie shop rags dawn dish liqude and elebow greese will clean nicely.now you woke up a demon ha ha ha .
I am very interested in the results of this series of videos. I am currently building a 292, and need info on different parts that are available. Hope to see a lump port and cam go in that one of yours to see if it is worth the effort. Keep the cool videos coming!
We have a similar engine in Australia however only 202 cu in 3.625 bore 3.250 stroke Mine made 225hp@6200 Cam 238@.050 495 lift 110lsa 10.5 :1 comp Triple SU carbies Ran 14.8 sec 1/4 with 3.08 rear end ratio Trimatic auto 2800 stall
Its a shame they dont make an aftermarket aluminum head for these engines,… they have the lump ports mods you can do and increase flow quite a bit though. The Pontiac OHV L6 had dedicated tube runner for the intake unlike Chevy and the Sprinter option used. 2 piece header where the exhaust colector merged together for increased exhaust flow velocity.
How about a Ford 300 straight six, or a 4200 Vortec I6 or a 3500 Vortec I5, or 4.0L I6 Jeep. I love inline engines and the Inline 5's sound amazing but aren't very common. Not a huge GM fan, but I'd love to see the and HEAR an I5 Vortec from the Colorado/H3 Hummer getting put through it's paces. Keep up the good work! Love your videos .........especially "the other guys" projects.
Good Job Richard...👍 i enjoy waching the Other Guys tests...Ive done Similar test with the 4.0 Liter Jeep ...I made close to 200hp...to the point where i started breaking everything in the Drivetrain...Trans...Drive Shaft...Diff...even broke the Axles...lol. Straight Sixes make good Power and Excellent Torque...🇺🇸
I find this more interesting and entertaining than the big horsepower dyno videos. This is something the average guy would be doing out front under the tree.
@Richard Holdener - With a cam and good flowing heads, the 292 Chevy with a good intake can make around 220 horsepower and 350 foot pounds of torque. The initial throttle response would make a truck with this engine fun to drive The limiting factor with boost will be how much torque can it make before the cast internals break. I don't think this engine could make more than 500 foot pounds of torque without breaking connecting rods. When you do the upgrade to the heads and cam, perhaps you can ask your subscribers what the final number will be with a turbo that you can show in a later video.
They 510 TQ on another channel. Stock short block with hypereutectic pistons. The stock connecting rods on the 292 are pretty stout. 7 mains for the crank.
@@hu3.789 I rewatched to get the exact numbers. 510 TQ, 372 HP @10.5 lbs of boost. All under 5K RPMs. You'll see Tom Lowe (12bolt.com) mention throughout this build. He did a 320 HP NA GM inline 6 250.
I'll interject a little science into this discussion. The flow in through carburetor or EFI is the entire flow the engine moves at maximum RPM. The flow is called "incompressible" or Bernoulli's (for the researcher who wrote equations in 1725). The valve flow efficiency impacts the number as well as displacement. The 292 cu inch engine at 5000 rpm and am 80% (0.80) would move 378 cfm of air. The cross-sectional areas of each section will govern flow velocity but as flow approaches the intake valve it becomes "compressible" and a different set of equations apply. As general rules any flow should have gentle radii; no abrupt turns. Sharp edged orifices have losses. The goal - though not always possible - is to provide as much cross-section as practical along with plenum volume... making each valve inlet seem to see an apparent infinite volume. You Don't want large turning angles either. Technically the local static pressure of the flowing gas is near the stagnation pressure. A 292 modified with lumped parameter inserts is near to 92% efficiency so rate is 479 cfm at 5500 rpm. Consequently a carburetor of 500 cfm is plenty for this engine... which what the test discovered. Friction loss does exist; turning loss; sharp edged office. As a gas dynamics I like the 12 bolt design but all these Characteristics are incremental. Everything adds a few percentage points.
Love watching the Other Guys. LS is a mean motor and a small block ford or chevy have nearly unlimited potential, but one is ugly at best and the other two are so played out. Keep up with the uncommon engines pls. Would love to see an odd fire buick/Kaiser 225 v6 hit the dyno someday. Or maybe an AMC 401 if you could find one.
Maybe only 20 HP, but the bling of that Clifford is good for the self esteem of that little Six.
292c.i.d or 4.9 liter is not really small. Not big, but not really small either.
20 horse n.a. is respectable
@@scoutdogfsr I had a 63 Falcon with only 144 cid. Now, that was small @ less than half the size of the 292.
I should have said, small, relative to the other two motors, in this “Other Guys” trio.👍
@@hendo337 heck yea , it shows how much of a choker the stock one is.
20 HP is a lot at 150hp
Absolutely love the 292 content
I hope the 292 content means the jeep 258 and 4.0 are coming in the future
Can't wait to see the cam/head upgrades
none of what you just said is accurate
@@theeoddments960 he just got this engine last month
@@richardholdener1727 I'd like to see you build a BBF to run on propane and then turbo it. .. I think it would be a cool project.
Richard Holdener but the turbo on with the 4 barrel manifold and see how that turns out
Now you can take advantage of a cam swap in. I am curious what year is the 292 is from. Low compression version will make cam swap harder.
now for a nice rebuild, higher compression mild port and mild cam
When I was racing in a class that only aloud 255 CI 6 cylinders we would cut out the bolt boss on the intake and use cap screws this improved the airflow quite a bit. (used pipe plugs to plug the tops)
@@ypop417 what do you mean I have a 292 and I want to do this.
Really love this series. Some of the other "other guys" are kind of a no brainier.... The Buick, Pontiac, Cleveland stuff, etc. They all made massive power in their day. This little guy.... He was worked, tortured, pushed... The love he ever got was an oil change... If that!!! Great stuff you're doing. I can't wait to see a 300 up there. I know I'm not alone. 👍
Now you need to do a similar test with a 300 cu inch Ford I6.
I really want to see how Tom's intake manifold does. I love watching you mess with this 292 and it's fun to see how she does
Yes me too I got one in going to put on my 250
@@charleskelley5400 how did it go? I'm debating on the Clifford. Only because I don't want to add hot water for heat.
Next up Buick straight 8.
That would be kind of scary, given how long the crankshaft is but there is a guy who runs one at Bonneville
Jacob Moses the bonneville car is what peak my interest. Cool motor and I’m curious about its potential.
I would like to see a ford 300i 6
It’s coming
@@CraftsmanQuad19 How about a 292 vs. 300 shootout? -b
DeanMk1 thats most likely coming too because of their similar displacement
@@CraftsmanQuad19 You're the man! I'll keep an eye out for it. =)
hey slant six do it
The ford inline 6 4.9 needs to be in your hands on the dyno
I'm finding this more interesting than most engines.
There's something special about those old sixers. Love the way they sound at idle.
Long motors, for long runs?
Have had a Chev and Dodge with long motors - the Chev was a smaller one that looked like this one, and the Dodge leaned over…
Man I can't wait to see how that 292 does with a Comp cam, a good port and polish on the head, maybe some oversized valves, that Clifford intake, and that 650 Holley. I think it'll be a strong inline six.
All eye openers! I'm all ls but
I was raised on a lot if these "other guys" and this Channel has been changing my mind on what they could take!
I've never owned a chevy 6 but this is great tech Mr Holdener!!!!! A great hands-on fabrication and dyno experiment!!!! Thank You Sir!!!!
All petrol heads love the sound of a revving engine! Dyno runs Rock! Keep them coming 👌
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I really like this series. Most of the time I would be bored with this little power 😜
Some of the engines may be old but this content never gets old...please keep these tests coming!👍👍😎😎
By far this is one of the more useful dyno videos I've seen for the inline 292.
My guess is headers, intake, carb and cam are all needed to make a real improvement. Improving head flow is gonna cost some real money but it would build on what ever is done before. Improving an inline is gonna cost you.
Thank you Richard.
Lol, it did, I have over 7 bills in the head alone.
I had 1970 nova straight 6 with 2 speed bought 1800 dollars in 1996 I like the stockness but to get it to burn out I told my pen pal from Australia what I like to do get it to burn out and keep it stock. My pen pal got me Aussie speed intake and I purchased a Paxson super charger kit. It sounded like a mad tractor but it would do burn outs for ever.
I had a 76 Nova back in the day with a 250 6cyl , 292 dump truck exhaust manifold , a Offy intake with a 390 cfm Holley and a curved distributor . Sounds crazy but it won many a race WAY OUT of its imagined abilities . Newer Trans Ams , Z-28s , 302 Mustangs all stock got a view of my tail lights . I never could understand why .......???
Great job
Haven’t always liked the inliners but I’ve gained an appreciation for them over the last few years
BRING BACK THE INLINES
Would be cool to have been able to get an aluminum Sissell cylinder head and better cam for that thing!
...does Sissell still make Chevy inline 6 heads??
@@rhostatton8944 I am not 100% sure, I can check with Mike and see if he has any left.
Always a pleasure to see the shenanigans Richard concocts, thanks Richard! ;) I know there are 292 fans out there, pretty sure they still race them....
I told a couple mechanic friends about you and everyone who sees your stuff is impressed. You're the man Rich!
thnx
I have one on a Chevy 261 6 using a EFI Throttle body. It is a gem. The Clifford products I have purchased are all top quality well designed and built.
Im running a holley 390 4 barrel, with a offenhauser intake and headman headers. 650 cfm is way to big for a 250 or 290 inline. Also running msd. Other upgrades that help these engines is a port lumps head kit that removes the bolts in the intake runners and the typical cam and larger valves.
Yes, a 390 or 465 is great on a mild six.. Really helps driveability as well, gets rid of that lean spot Richard saw with the big 2bbl.
Two Bro in the early 80s we built a 6=8 chevy 6 with 2-650 Holleys and headers. I put bigger seats .
I love Clifford. I really want to see you do a jeep 258 with their parts
I love seeing projects like this. Trying to make gains with oddball engine and such, very cool!
Nothing oddball about a 292.
I'd really like to see a Weber carb comparison as well. 😉
Loving this project, and in a way, this engine is the big daddy to our popular GM Holden six we ran here in Aus for many years. I'd love to see a project like this from you based on the Slant Six some day, another awesome and unique engine of the period.
Sure do respect the Aussies for their love of vehicles. I think American and Australia are nearly equal in that way. One exception is the Aussies road race the hell out of the old muscle cars!
You Australians and Brazilians do some incredible things with the inline 6s. I would sub to any build videos you guy would do. I would pay to watch those.
Who has the shortest intake? The Aussie Speed will run 2in into the side of my doghouse the PES intake does the same. Do you think the Offenhauser is shortest? San Diego
Richard, great work!!! Keep it going !!
With a turbo, cam cylinder head modded, ported, 1.84" intake 1.6" exhaust, intake lump port bolt in, (helps the short turn radius), should make 500 ft lbs with enough boost pressure about 20-25 PSI.
Crank can take it, rods are a bit weak (they are forged) to rev high, 4.120" stroke, main cap for every rod, strong enough. I believe a better damper is needed to rev higher. Harmonics really wreak havoc on these 6 cylinders. Too much torsional vibrations takes away a lot of HP, need to keep that in check.
It is a lower reving engine as compared to a 194,230, 250 CI engine.
Can't wait for more videos!
A buddy of mine found a head off of a Blue Flame years ago and modified it to fit a 292 many years ago when such things were easy to find in the junk yard and weren't worth their weight in gold!
We put it in a a 65 C10 it did real good!
Wow! I always wondered how hard it would be to do that!
Can't wait for the efi ford 300 series of tests😁😁 The largest group of straight six enthusiasts would have to be the jeep 6 guys tho. A 4.0 amc/jeep build would be fantastic. We ran a stock, rebuilt 4.0 cherokee 2wd automatic on our dynojet. Rated at 170hp flywheel, it made 145 dynojet wheel hp. Kind of impressive. Looking at the 4.0 cylinder head ports vs the efi ford 300, and the chevy 250/292 head tells the whole story.
Love too see this kinda testing. Back in the ‘80’s-early ‘90’s I ran a Chevy 6 with the Clifford stuff and a comp cam.
Thanks Richard, another Awesome video. A 12 percent increase from an easy bolt on upgrade is always a win. At a low starting point of 145 12 percent is something that you would definitely feel driving this on the road. It was also great that David Frieburger gave you and your TH-cam channel a shout out on the latest episode of Engine Masters.
Can't wait for the cylinder head and cam upgrades. Cheers. 👍
he is good people
I had a 1960 panel truck with the 262 it was a bullet proof
You make great videos! Good sense of humor, too!
This motor your doing is the bigger brother of our(Australian) Holden 6. Our 202 has been developed so much over the years that now some are doing 450na and 600+ boosted. Love ya work.
I got a 1927 Ford I put a a Clifford intake with a 450 carburetor and headers it runs really fine I've never had it done it's got a 350 turbo automatic anyway I love it runs great thanks for all the info
I would like to see the difference between a stock head and the elimination of the head bolt bosses in the port and lump ports.
I still believe that the triple 1 bbl intake is the best on the 292 as it's better in fuel distribution
Definitely needs cams and boost!! We need 292hp from this thing!!
I'm watching this for hints on what to do with my old man's XY with a 250ci here in Australia!!
Great to see other than V8s all the time. Maybe an old Iron Duke 4 banger sometime?
These engines are capable of 375hp/510tq on boost. On stock block, stock crank, stock rods. Can do well over that if you want to throw half of your wallet at it. Engine, machine work, cam, intake, carb, lifters, push rod, piston, distributor upgrades with a Ebay turbo/intercooler kit will be under $4500 and should net at least 350hp.
The Ford 300 6 cylinder. With upgraded head and cam with the Clifford intake 4 barrel and headers. I had a Jasper rebuilt that I wanted to do to my 1981 F 100. But a new house and life got in the way. Maybe a 302 build was what I really needed. Never know. But the Jasper rebuld engine was a good choice. I drove that truck until everything else broke or fell off of it. Donated it for a good cause. In the late 90's. Shawn.
Awesome vid!! Still hoping for a slant six series! NA, turbo, torquestorm, Weiand 144!
I'd like to see someone cast blocks for that engine that allow for a 273 V8 piston to be used. That would up displacement to 255 cu.in.
DeanMk1 that would be cool. An aftermarket aluminum head would go a long way too. There’s a talented machinist working on one. Hopefully he will go into production someday.
Have you checked out Uncle Tommy's Garage on TH-cam? He does a lot of Mopar and slant 6 stuff and go into deep detail. Very interesting
Great info for the "Straight 6 Mix" crew💪🏾💪🏼💪🏻
fond memories of running a 292 six in my H/Gas '48 Anglia back in the early 60's. The bore was .060 over for 301ci which everyone thought was an eighth over 283. There were no hot rod parts other than cams and valve gear so I made my own intake manifolds ( 2 AFBs) and exhaust headers. It was competitive until some guys* cut three cylinders from two V8 heads and welded them up to provide cross flow breathing. ETs went from the low 11's to the10s overnight and the H/Gas was done for.
*As I recall it was Becker & O'Connell with "The Hummer"
I rember Jim headrick ran a 292 in h modified production . He ran 3 2 barrels . They were side by side. Pourman injection . He made his manifolds from header pipes too. They broke a lot of cans. Did you also brake a lot of cams
I think the Offeinhouser four barrel intake might be better suited because it’s designed to use the conventional carburetor.
You have WAY TOO MUCH fun at your job.
I had a 1964 C10 with a factory 230 ci. I upgraded with hooker headers and an Offenhauser 4 barrel intake with an adapter and a 500 cfm holley. I upgraded the cam to the equivalent of a big block Chevy 375 horse 396 which was 500 lift and 290 duration. Factory 3 speed and 411 gears. It ran great. I often outran v8 Mustangs and other v8 cars. It would float the valves at 100 mph. Looking back I needed more valve spring. I worked with what I had.
Ah… great video! I just wish alot of these in-line 6 engines had a cross flow head
Great video Richard thanks,
I love the little underdog 292!
Would be sweet if you could get ahold of the head/EFI system from the 4.1L/250 inline six in the Brazilian Chevy Omega and try it on the 292.
johnny K : You and John Woodworth should get together. Nice post, btw. Im MorocoMole..
Small 4v for me. Cruise on the small primaries for economy. I run a 500 Carter AFB on my AMC 232, with Lunati cam, Offy intake, HEI and later exhaust manifold, and I get 21mpg. With my driving habits, lol. I'm not kind to it. Keep up the i6 content!!
Great test. Be interested to see what a 0.650-0.670 lift cam would do for this engine with a 10.0:1 compression ratio and reworked head with larger valves and springs. Dreaming of a test with a Sissel twelve port head. I know, it’s a really high dollar head but the results would be interesting.
Amen, life is about how well you deal with problems/ setbacks. Congrats on the results, keep em coming
Thanks for all of the Other Guys series. I’ve seen I6 engines pull dragsters into the 10s, so I’m looking forward to watching the progress
Lot's of hard work, so full marks. Can't say the big 6 does much for me but if one has one, that then becomes a whole different ball game. Good cheer, to all engine fixers out there!
id be curious to see the intake vacuum curve on the 4 barrel vs the 2 barrel
In brasil we use weber carburators. Only one in the center as a starting point, and later triple webers
I wish I could get one of those intake manifolds for a single weber.
@@witcher71 its magical, in the 250 you can gain over 15hp
@@romeubardi4466 How can I get one? I've looked everywhere.
@@witcher71 i dont know. Here in brasil they are pretty common. We pay arround 600 reais for them (arround 120 bucks for you guys)
@@romeubardi4466 Where would I find one to buy out of Brazil?
These old motors are pretty tough if you keep oil in em!
And you can fix them in a parking lot with nothing but the basics. Try that with an LS.
@@scoutdogfsr I have worked on both of these engines and the LS is easier to work on
I mean roadside repairs. There is no way its easier to change an waterpump, alternator, ect in a tight engine bay. Add in the electronic component and the LS powered car is on the back of a flatbed getting hauled home for the fix. You can't deny that. Remember I said basic tools. Like a basic set most guys carry in a trunk or pickup bed. But I get your point too. On a stand the LS is easy to wrench on
@@scoutdogfsr Two bolts for the alternator, 6 bolts for the water pump . The only thing computer needs to run are crank sensor and a map sensor( it will still run without a MAF and cam sensor no problem ) . A fuel injector can go bad and so can a coil but it won't leave you stranded can still limp on 7 cylinders. A $20 scan tool will tell you what the problem is. The only thing that can leave you stranded really is the electric fuel pump that's it . Changing injectors and coils are actually easier on the LS than changing out the distributor or cleaning out carb on the 292.
@@scoutdogfsr what I'm trying to say is if one has even a little knowledge about LS engines they are very easy and basic to work on . You won't understand this unless you are a full time mechanic , the fasteners and gasket design alone makes LS engines such a breeze to work on . As for room under the hood ,full size GM trucks have plenty and that's where the LS engine is most commonly found and so was the 292
hey how about a try power set up i think theres a manifold for that
I would love to see you do these same tests on the ford 300 just to see differences between the two makes there almost similar displacement same non crossflow heads you can run an older 300 with the carb or use an efi head with an offenhuaser c series 4bbrl intake. The efi head also has heart shaped combustion chambers with dual exhaust manifolds you could run twin turbos on the new head pretty easy
I would like to see a built dodge slant 6 with a big cam header and head work and a intake.
Torque storm has a kit for the "leanung tower of tower!"
I had a 292 a while back. That thing could pull anything. Lotsa torque!
That was a lot of fun! I’d like to see a carb installed that the Clifford was designed for, along with an HEI that you tailor the springs to match. I suspect there’s power hiding in the ignition that wants to be released.
agreed
I love stovebolt 6 cylinders I had a 58 235 inline in my 50 chevy business coupe. It was 30 over mcgurk pistons a Barry's cam Clifford true headers with a Clifford 4 barrel intake and a billet adapter I made for a weiand 144 supercharger electronic ignition and a 750 holly. It made over 300 hp and was a smash hit at car shows.. 6=8 .
I'm eager to see how the Offy manifold compares to the Clifford as I have the Offy on my 250 with Clifford headers.
Nice I have the Clifford 4 bbl with headers currently
I would've loved to have an extra 20 horsepower when I had my 250 straight 6 Camaro. For a rusty 6 cylinder 78 Camaro it was still a lot of fun
Seeing an inline 6 modified reminds me of my youth. When I was a kid I used to go to our local stock car races with my friend and his dad and back then they had a six cylinder class. The inlines made good power and were almost as fast as the V8 powered late models that ran there. Their lap times were only about a second slower and the class was much more affordable for the garage builders who ran there. I miss those days. A guy could build and race a stock car for a couple grand back then. Now most of those small tracks are gone and the ones that exist run $$$$$ cars where you need to win the lotto just to compete.
But yours had an integrated head. You couldn't change anything unless you did a head swap to the old style head.
One more test might be the good manifold with the original one barrel. I have a modified 250 that out ran a 400 firebird when it was in a 67 chevelle. Has domed pistons, 202 valves, but still had original one barrel and manifolds.
Bigger carburetors may be the biggest mistake in hopping up motors. I remember a 56 Pontiac v-8 with a one barrel that ran about 120 mph.
I'm putting a small 4 BBL on my 250 that came from a 4100 Cadillac engine. I think it will be perfect to get a good combo of power AND mileage. I've also got long tube headers and a lump port kit. I shall see.
Perhaps a pair of two-barrels, for better mixture distribution?
I wonder how triple carbs would go on this engine like the infamous hemi 265 in Australia and nz making 300hp
Triple side draft Webers would look slick. As would this www.69pace.com/6shooters.htm
While there obviously the money issue the world of 3D printing is going to allow the hot rodder with deep pockets and imagination to get really creative. If Porsche can 3D print pistons then why not 3D printed cylinder heads.
Dime these are basically an oversized Holden 6. Just like the XU1 these engines would love triples of any description.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering
Clifford Performance* probably sold or sells a triple carb manifold
*company motto, 6 Equals 8
The big issue with US built inline sixes is they were all with only a couple exceptions non-crossflow heads
@@mpetersen6 same problem here... Because Holden was a division of GM we basically followed GM's design strategy. While Ford made a very successful ally cross flow head engine in the 70's, Holden continued on with more of the same. We basically had to import a Japanese engine (Nissan RB30) to replace the well out of date Holden straight six. Makes you wonder where the inline six market might be today if Holden put the time and effort into making a competing product to Ford's crossflow six during the 70's.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering The six would still be dead and buried. They never did get past the cooling issues a modded Holden six has.
The only reason Holden brought in the RB30 was because their six cylinder injected black engine failed so miserably to meet any of it's performance targets and they knew GM corporate was forcing the Buick V6 onto them to save the cost of building Australia only engines. Way cheaper to import Buick V6's and LS's in crates as complete engine/ trans packages.
Don't get me wrong, the red six was a nice engine, it just became too small and outdated for the larger cars forced upon it.
Looks like the intake ports in each of the three are not divided, I wonder how it would run when each port has its own intake runner.
yes
If gorrilla tape works as a gasket then I'm about to save a pile of cash
Anything can work as a gasket... but for how long?
@@anthonymason701 a few coats of touch up paint is fun to brush all over a torn gasket instead of scraping it off and making another if the gasket is still there.
someone used red rtv to hold my friends cracked jeep 232 exhaust manifold together for a short period of time! when we got it after it had been sitting for 10+ years it was leaking pretty bad when we took it off to put a header on because we thought itd be a good mod for some more torque the manifold cracked into 3 pieces, made my friend real glad i told him to buy a header for it LOL
1 simple trick... Fel-pro hates him
I keep a roll of gasket material around for emergencies. It cost me like 11 bux at autozone. Get one you will thank me.
An Edelbrock 600 will work on a WCFB style intake manifold. I replaced several on late 50's to mid 60's engines. They bolt right on using the inner bolt holes on the carb. And the throttle blades are small enough to fit in the 4 hole intakes.
My grandpa had a 1960’s Ford performance book that showed how to mill the ends of the factory straight 6 intake and install 2 extra single barrel carbs making for 3 one barrel carbs. Back to the drawing board and modify the stock intake to hold 3 stock carbs. Makes like 700 hp ....... or maybe it was 70 ?
Learned on my flathead. A big(500cfm) 2 barrel is awful because the signal strength is weak at part throttle/ low rpm. A small (390 cfm) vacuum secondary 4 barrel drives WAY better and makes as much power.
jepito29 : Thats it. Well said!
Don't forget chrome or cast aluminum adds valvetrain rigidity) valve covers for added hp!
It would have been interesting to modify the factory intake to accept the 2 bbl directly (ish) and see if the restriction is just in the 1 bbl hole or the rest of the manifold.
For real as I'm currently about to add the 2bbl with an adapter to my stock 1 bbl intake on my 292
@@KlyfflovesShelby4ever Try an Offenhauser 2 one barrels.
on that 292 chevy use a 390 crm holey 4barrell i think that it would be the best those others ate just to free breathing better fule discharge will all ways pull more hp and its a easy bolt on pluse it has vac secondarys to help transition i think it would easy and best for all around combo or a 450 cfm max.but i like to see a cam of 260-260 112 at 480 lift and 2-4 deegrees advanced .a cam of that genral specs it should be a good up grade and street able right down to the traffic light and should get you to at most 4500 rpms with out the horse power falling off pluse good milage to boot give it a try
260 degrees at .050?
@@richardholdener1727260 @0.50 its a littel big but 5500rpms okay but 6500 rpms well let see if it can take it for one minute with boost ie shop rags dawn dish liqude and elebow greese will clean nicely.now you woke up a demon ha ha ha .
I am very interested in the results of this series of videos. I am currently building a 292, and need info on different parts that are available. Hope to see a lump port and cam go in that one of yours to see if it is worth the effort. Keep the cool videos coming!
Nice I'm starting to fix my 292 as well :)
All that nice stuff around there and there's nothing to clean all the greese off?
We have a similar engine in Australia however only 202 cu in
3.625 bore 3.250 stroke
Mine made 225hp@6200
Cam 238@.050 495 lift 110lsa
10.5 :1 comp
Triple SU carbies
Ran 14.8 sec 1/4 with 3.08 rear end ratio
Trimatic auto
2800 stall
Is that the Holden Red?
Its a shame they dont make an aftermarket aluminum head for these engines,… they have the lump ports mods you can do and increase flow quite a bit though. The Pontiac OHV L6 had dedicated tube runner for the intake unlike Chevy and the Sprinter option used. 2 piece header where the exhaust colector merged together for increased exhaust flow velocity.
How about a Ford 300 straight six, or a 4200 Vortec I6 or a 3500 Vortec I5, or 4.0L I6 Jeep. I love inline engines and the Inline 5's sound amazing but aren't very common. Not a huge GM fan, but I'd love to see the and HEAR an I5 Vortec from the Colorado/H3 Hummer getting put through it's paces. Keep up the good work! Love your videos .........especially "the other guys" projects.
had a 235 inline single carb. put the clifford on with a 400 holley and the clifford header. thing ran like a 289
Good Job Richard...👍 i enjoy waching the Other Guys tests...Ive done Similar test with the 4.0 Liter Jeep ...I made close to 200hp...to the point where i started breaking everything in the Drivetrain...Trans...Drive Shaft...Diff...even broke the Axles...lol. Straight Sixes make good Power and Excellent Torque...🇺🇸
I find this more interesting and entertaining than the big horsepower dyno videos. This is something the average guy would be doing out front under the tree.
Why do I love this 292 stuff so much???
I love the canned techno. I'm glad you won.
@Richard Holdener - With a cam and good flowing heads, the 292 Chevy with a good intake can make around 220 horsepower and 350 foot pounds of torque. The initial throttle response would make a truck with this engine fun to drive The limiting factor with boost will be how much torque can it make before the cast internals break. I don't think this engine could make more than 500 foot pounds of torque without breaking connecting rods. When you do the upgrade to the heads and cam, perhaps you can ask your subscribers what the final number will be with a turbo that you can show in a later video.
They 510 TQ on another channel. Stock short block with hypereutectic pistons. The stock connecting rods on the 292 are pretty stout. 7 mains for the crank.
@@ricjona1069 Thanks for the info
@@hu3.789 I rewatched to get the exact numbers. 510 TQ, 372 HP @10.5 lbs of boost. All under 5K RPMs.
You'll see Tom Lowe (12bolt.com) mention throughout this build. He did a 320 HP NA GM inline 6 250.
I have a good or bad idea for the other guys.... Chevy 151 4 cyl
Great videos. Thanks Richard
What I care about is the fuel consumption of the various intakes/carbs. An engine can only use so much fuel mixture.
I'll interject a little science into this discussion. The flow in through carburetor or EFI is the entire flow the engine moves at maximum RPM. The flow is called "incompressible" or Bernoulli's (for the researcher who wrote equations in 1725). The valve flow efficiency impacts the number as well as displacement. The 292 cu inch engine at 5000 rpm and am 80% (0.80) would move 378 cfm of air. The cross-sectional areas of each section will govern flow velocity but as flow approaches the intake valve it becomes "compressible" and a different set of equations apply. As general rules any flow should have gentle radii; no abrupt turns. Sharp edged orifices have losses. The goal - though not always possible - is to provide as much cross-section as practical along with plenum volume... making each valve inlet seem to see an apparent infinite volume. You Don't want large turning angles either. Technically the local static pressure of the flowing gas is near the stagnation pressure. A 292 modified with lumped parameter inserts is near to 92% efficiency so rate is 479 cfm at 5500 rpm. Consequently a carburetor of 500 cfm is plenty for this engine... which what the test discovered. Friction loss does exist; turning loss; sharp edged office. As a gas dynamics I like the 12 bolt design but all these Characteristics are incremental. Everything adds a few percentage points.
Love watching the Other Guys. LS is a mean motor and a small block ford or chevy have nearly unlimited potential, but one is ugly at best and the other two are so played out. Keep up with the uncommon engines pls. Would love to see an odd fire buick/Kaiser 225 v6 hit the dyno someday. Or maybe an AMC 401 if you could find one.
You're the best, Richard! Thanks for these very informative videos.