100%. I'll be keeping my gen1 because it charges my laptop when I'm travelling. It also has USB A. This gen3 simply wouldn't with just 22.5. This is actually a massive downgrade.
Man, I've been recommending nitecore power banks for years but I'm gonna stop now I think. I have no idea why y'all keep acting like downgraded electronics are an upgrade. The old bank did 45 watts, which was enough to keep even a powerful laptop (16"MBP) going or charge it pretty well for a bank this small and light. Even phones are taking 30W these days. It's baffling how the wattage went down! And we lost the USB A ports! I'm huge on USB c, don't get me wrong, but the a ports came in handy. Adapters have been available for cheap for ages. Y'all can't act like removing ports and including a cheap adapter to make up for it is an upgrade. This design just completely baffles me... Please don't stop selling the old one, it's a better bank. Sorry to be so negative, I really love nitecore products. It's just frustrating to see them getting worse instead of better.
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
My thoughts exactly! However, I do not see the point in having USB A type with a compact and portable lightweight charge pack. I was expecting at least 45 W charging if not 65 w
@@shankurrim5540 I like having an A port because a lot of proprietary chargers still use A. I also have a few 12" cables that are A on one side and 4 C on the other. I use those for charging low draw devices. I'd say my ideal ratio is 2 or 3 C to one A on a brick or power bank. If I know I'm only ever gonna use it for my phone, I don't care about A. But when I'm travelling, working, or backpacking, I end up having a lot of little devices and they like the splitter cable with an A port.
Getting a 22.5W max output for a 20k mah powerbank is unacceptable in 2024, it even cuts down to 15W when both ports are used. Pass-through charging isn't a new feature either and that makes this product so niche. For the price, it lacks a number of features that would make me buy this over a different brand. Nothing against Nitecore though, I've been using the Carbo 10k for a good year and still performs remarkably. I was thinking of getting a bigger capacity but I guess I will stick with it for now.
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
I’m a huge fan of Nitecore. Own all kinds of stuff. I own the gen 20,000 pack and I’m grateful for the gen 2 design. I don’t need a box wrapped around the battery pack adding bulky design. Gen 2 design looks so much better and you don’t see all the connections it’s all 1 piece. From gen 2 I’d say this is a downgrade for sure. Hoping gen4 comes out looking more like gen 2 1 piece design and 45W output the minimum. I’ve back packed insane hiking trips and my pack gets beat around and never needed bumpers. Hoping for much more out of gen 4 🙏
Not a bad thing, really... My only complaint about USB-C is that unless it (the port) was manufactured by a higher-end company, they often lose their grip within a year or so of use. They're as bad as what I remember from the days of 'Mini USB (Type B)' cables that you often saw on cameras back in the early 2000s, losing their grip within the port within an annoyingly short timeframe. The only port I've ever encountered that didn't suffer this age-based degradation of grip strength was the Lightining Port from Apple, and well, I'm an PC/Android guy for life, so I never got to enjoy the reliability of the Lightning Port...
IMO this is clearly a nod to the UL hiking community who would not care at all that this can’t charge a laptop. It’s meant to charge devices you’d take with you for prolonged periods outdoors
If this is the purpose, it is useless anyway, because what is most appreciated when hiking long distances is that the power bank itself can be charged quickly. Nobody wants to wait 4/6 hours to be able to charge it. I think there are much more powerful and efficient options for this purpose for 150 grams more. In my case, as I do long distance hiking, this power bank is of no use at all.
@@pepeportallwhat is the charge time on this gen3 then? I do bike packing and I need to quickly recharge my battery bank. I want as UL as possible but being able to recharge faster is just as important.
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
@@Funkteon in spec they only support 5V with 3A not 4A , I think it's not worth to reduce the weight as much as possible for this size and capacity. (My old power bank for huawei is support output 40w at 10K mAh capacity)
@@chawin007 I wouldn’t be surprised if your 10k power bank is the same size as this 20k Nitecore. You can't cheat physics when using the same battery technology, whether it's pouch cells or Panasonic 18650s. Manufacturers face a trade-off: connecting batteries in series increases voltage while keeping the current (amps) the same, while connecting them in parallel maintains the voltage but increases the current. The choice depends on the desired balance of voltage, current, and overall power output. You can't expect a 10,000mAh battery to deliver 40W of power and still be the same size as one delivering 22.5W. Unless you're charging a laptop or an iPad Pro etc (i.e. a battery over 7,000mAh), you likely don’t need a 40W (or higher) power bank. For most people, a USB-C PD power bank would only improve charging speed by about 20% in a 0% to 100% charging scenario, except for certain Xiaomi and Huawei phones that can charge at extremely fast speeds if provided with sufficient voltage and amperage. The only power banks capable of consistently delivering 20V at 6A, which those Chinese brands can handle, are larger models like the 'Anker 27650,' which aren't pocket-friendly and tend to get quite hot when delivering that much power. These power banks often throttle the output within 10-15 minutes to prevent thermal runaway and ensure safety... But long story short, you're falling victim to the law of diminishing returns when it comes to high wattage power banks.
Does anyone know charging rates you get when using pass-though charging? Is the 18W input split between charging the battery and the other device, or does each charge at the full rate?
It would still only give you 9V at 15W (equivalent to 1.6 amps) when in passthrough mode, even if you were charging the powerbank with a high wattage AC power brick. Worst case scenario, it would still only take around 1.5 hours to charge a 5,000mAh smartphone battery from 1% to 100% using 9V at 1.6 amps when factoring in efficiency losses...
This doesn't have pass-through charging, no silicon carbon battery either and for the price it charges slower than predecessors. Could have at least included wireless charging to make up for the other losses.
I'm sorry but I don't know how as a company you not only keep using outdated power delivery but infact REDUCE is while charging MORE?! You guys clearly are not in touch with your users anymore. Shargeek is leaving you guys in the dust with their input/output wattage. 65 watts is basically the standard now. Even phones are coming out now with 65w fast charging. Nothing less than that is acceptable, but Shargeek is going over and above that with 140w now. How can you justify a reduction is power like this? Are your Carbo and Summit refreshes going to be like this too? Because at this rate I'm wiling to sacrifice the extra weight just to stick with Shargeek.
In 2024, nobody wants to wait 4-6 hours to charge a power bank. I think there are much more powerful and efficient options for long distance hiking for 150 grams more with 130W of power, for example. In my case, this power bank is of no use to me.
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From the first gen giving out 45W output and gradually reducing to 22.5W output for the same price is really crazy in my opinion. Awful downgrade.
100%. I'll be keeping my gen1 because it charges my laptop when I'm travelling. It also has USB A. This gen3 simply wouldn't with just 22.5. This is actually a massive downgrade.
Man, I've been recommending nitecore power banks for years but I'm gonna stop now I think. I have no idea why y'all keep acting like downgraded electronics are an upgrade. The old bank did 45 watts, which was enough to keep even a powerful laptop (16"MBP) going or charge it pretty well for a bank this small and light. Even phones are taking 30W these days. It's baffling how the wattage went down! And we lost the USB A ports! I'm huge on USB c, don't get me wrong, but the a ports came in handy. Adapters have been available for cheap for ages. Y'all can't act like removing ports and including a cheap adapter to make up for it is an upgrade.
This design just completely baffles me... Please don't stop selling the old one, it's a better bank.
Sorry to be so negative, I really love nitecore products. It's just frustrating to see them getting worse instead of better.
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
My thoughts exactly!
However, I do not see the point in having USB A type with a compact and portable lightweight charge pack.
I was expecting at least 45 W charging if not 65 w
@@shankurrim5540 I like having an A port because a lot of proprietary chargers still use A. I also have a few 12" cables that are A on one side and 4 C on the other. I use those for charging low draw devices. I'd say my ideal ratio is 2 or 3 C to one A on a brick or power bank. If I know I'm only ever gonna use it for my phone, I don't care about A. But when I'm travelling, working, or backpacking, I end up having a lot of little devices and they like the splitter cable with an A port.
@@Funkteon I am one of those who wanted to minimise the size and weight of my carry, so this is the ideal powerbank for me 😁😁👍
Getting a 22.5W max output for a 20k mah powerbank is unacceptable in 2024, it even cuts down to 15W when both ports are used. Pass-through charging isn't a new feature either and that makes this product so niche. For the price, it lacks a number of features that would make me buy this over a different brand. Nothing against Nitecore though, I've been using the Carbo 10k for a good year and still performs remarkably. I was thinking of getting a bigger capacity but I guess I will stick with it for now.
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
I’m a huge fan of Nitecore. Own all kinds of stuff. I own the gen 20,000 pack and I’m grateful for the gen 2 design. I don’t need a box wrapped around the battery pack adding bulky design. Gen 2 design looks so much better and you don’t see all the connections it’s all 1 piece. From gen 2 I’d say this is a downgrade for sure. Hoping gen4 comes out looking more like gen 2 1 piece design and 45W output the minimum.
I’ve back packed insane hiking trips and my pack gets beat around and never needed bumpers.
Hoping for much more out of gen 4 🙏
We're finally looking at the end of the USB-A port.😢
Not a bad thing, really... My only complaint about USB-C is that unless it (the port) was manufactured by a higher-end company, they often lose their grip within a year or so of use. They're as bad as what I remember from the days of 'Mini USB (Type B)' cables that you often saw on cameras back in the early 2000s, losing their grip within the port within an annoyingly short timeframe. The only port I've ever encountered that didn't suffer this age-based degradation of grip strength was the Lightining Port from Apple, and well, I'm an PC/Android guy for life, so I never got to enjoy the reliability of the Lightning Port...
IMO this is clearly a nod to the UL hiking community who would not care at all that this can’t charge a laptop. It’s meant to charge devices you’d take with you for prolonged periods outdoors
If this is the purpose, it is useless anyway, because what is most appreciated when hiking long distances is that the power bank itself can be charged quickly. Nobody wants to wait 4/6 hours to be able to charge it. I think there are much more powerful and efficient options for this purpose for 150 grams more. In my case, as I do long distance hiking, this power bank is of no use at all.
@@pepeportall I actually agree. a comparable anker 10k battery can charge in 1.5 hours, which is pretty clutch
@@pepeportallwhat is the charge time on this gen3 then? I do bike packing and I need to quickly recharge my battery bank. I want as UL as possible but being able to recharge faster is just as important.
You know what would be nice is a flashlight like the olight o clip but with the the uhi 20 led 🤔
why does it not have a solar panel on there?
max 22.5W at 2024 really ?
This product is ideal for those who want to minimise the size and weight of their gear and aren't overly focused on achieving the fastest possible charging speeds for their cutting-edge devices. The fact is, 22.5W at 5V still delivers over 4 amps, which qualifies as 'Super Fast Charging' for most modern smartphones-more than enough to quickly take them from 1% to 60% before the device scales back its power draw to 9V and under 2 amps (typically under 1 amp for the final 15%, which is less than 10 watts) anyway, regardless of the power bank’s capability. If your goal is to charge a full-size laptop, then sure, this power bank won’t meet your needs. However, for many people like me who go hiking and primarily need to charge USB-C ported smartphones, flashlights, handheld GPS units like a Garmin, and perhaps a smartwatch, this power bank is perfectly suitable.
@@Funkteon in spec they only support 5V with 3A not 4A , I think it's not worth to reduce the weight as much as possible for this size and capacity. (My old power bank for huawei is support output 40w at 10K mAh capacity)
@@chawin007 I wouldn’t be surprised if your 10k power bank is the same size as this 20k Nitecore. You can't cheat physics when using the same battery technology, whether it's pouch cells or Panasonic 18650s. Manufacturers face a trade-off: connecting batteries in series increases voltage while keeping the current (amps) the same, while connecting them in parallel maintains the voltage but increases the current. The choice depends on the desired balance of voltage, current, and overall power output. You can't expect a 10,000mAh battery to deliver 40W of power and still be the same size as one delivering 22.5W.
Unless you're charging a laptop or an iPad Pro etc (i.e. a battery over 7,000mAh), you likely don’t need a 40W (or higher) power bank. For most people, a USB-C PD power bank would only improve charging speed by about 20% in a 0% to 100% charging scenario, except for certain Xiaomi and Huawei phones that can charge at extremely fast speeds if provided with sufficient voltage and amperage. The only power banks capable of consistently delivering 20V at 6A, which those Chinese brands can handle, are larger models like the 'Anker 27650,' which aren't pocket-friendly and tend to get quite hot when delivering that much power. These power banks often throttle the output within 10-15 minutes to prevent thermal runaway and ensure safety... But long story short, you're falling victim to the law of diminishing returns when it comes to high wattage power banks.
@@Funkteon , you keep replying the same chit...you a fanboy of Nitecore or employee?
@@Funkteon If it's 'Super Fast Charging' then what do you call Xiaomi's 120w charging and I believe Realme's 250w charging?
Make some 60 and 120 amp hour packs...
You can get a power bank with the exact same specs for 1/4 of the price, nobody cares about carbon fibre
Does anyone know charging rates you get when using pass-though charging? Is the 18W input split between charging the battery and the other device, or does each charge at the full rate?
It would still only give you 9V at 15W (equivalent to 1.6 amps) when in passthrough mode, even if you were charging the powerbank with a high wattage AC power brick. Worst case scenario, it would still only take around 1.5 hours to charge a 5,000mAh smartphone battery from 1% to 100% using 9V at 1.6 amps when factoring in efficiency losses...
22.5W Output in 2024 - Will go for other powerbanks
This doesn't have pass-through charging, no silicon carbon battery either and for the price it charges slower than predecessors. Could have at least included wireless charging to make up for the other losses.
he mentions several time it does have pass through charging.
I'm sorry but I don't know how as a company you not only keep using outdated power delivery but infact REDUCE is while charging MORE?!
You guys clearly are not in touch with your users anymore.
Shargeek is leaving you guys in the dust with their input/output wattage. 65 watts is basically the standard now. Even phones are coming out now with 65w fast charging. Nothing less than that is acceptable, but Shargeek is going over and above that with 140w now. How can you justify a reduction is power like this?
Are your Carbo and Summit refreshes going to be like this too? Because at this rate I'm wiling to sacrifice the extra weight just to stick with Shargeek.
Price how much
$99.95. You can purchase here: nitecorestore.com/products/nitecore-nb20000-gen-3-dual-usb-c-power-bank
is this tsa safe?
it is!
In 2024, nobody wants to wait 4-6 hours to charge a power bank. I think there are much more powerful and efficient options for long distance hiking for 150 grams more with 130W of power, for example. In my case, this power bank is of no use to me.
What do you recommend then 😊?
@@TheScatman89 I use the UGreen Nexode 20K mAh 130W, it charges in less than 2 hours and weighs only 480 g.
@@pepeportall thank you !
@@TheScatman89 There is even a new 100W version that weighs 420 g.
Nothing really new, but you've got to hand it to Nitecore!😮
Wtf is an inch ?
13500 real Energy Storage Gen 1 and 2
down to 11200 in Gen 3
for saving ca.25 grams of weight........
plus more exoensive Nitecore seems to go Woke