I like how the Federation makes one tiny dedicated warship and it can go toe-to-toe with even the more hulking of capital ships in the quadrant. This is what min-maxing is all about, people.
This is what you get for bullying a nerd long enough, he doesn't just learn Karate, he's now making Mustard Gas to ensure you're double dead by the end.
My favorite Trek ship, and the best looking one too. I have never been a fan of federation ship design, and the Defiant looks sturdy and deadly. Small, fast, and can hit far beyond its weight. Exactly my type of ship! Always loved a good corvette. It is like a wolf and does well with others. Oh did I mention it has a cloak?! Wonder if there is a newer ship with more firepower that is similar in shape. Maybe some harder angles. Defiant 2.0. Okay ranting done and wish you all the best.
@@dianapennepacker6854 in expanded universe lore, I believe that the Callisto-class is the defines successor. Still tiny, but 50% more guns and extra armour. Heck, Star Trek online has a fleet carrier that can deploy 4 of these things as its standard air wing. No wonder everyone is so scared of the Federation at war.
@@rakshithanand8262 That sounds pretty awesome. I love the idea of fast moving things that can strike way above their weight. In real life it would be a torpedo boat. Seen a concept of a submersible torpedo boat that was super quick and small. Could quickly unload four torpedo and GTFO before doing some quick dive to avoid fire. They were also planning on one with a massive anti ship missile. Get in close about a mile out and fire before speeding off and submerging.
"These are the voyages of the Starship Defiant. Her ongoing mission: To intimidate strange new worlds; to beat down new life and new civilizations. To Boldly Kick Ass Where No Man Has Kicked Ass Before!"
"Strap some engines to those weapons and let's call it a day." "Sir, maybe we should consider some life support systems for the, ah, crew?" *sighing* "FINE."
Most people call her Cisco's Pimp Hand. Fist of the Emissary is... alright...I guess. Seriously though. That's cool. If Bajor ever built their own warships, I could see them naming one Fist of the Emissary in honor of Cisco and his beloved Defiant.
Defiant was never meant to be a long range vessel, creature comfort was not part of the design requirements. However, when compared to a comparable Klingon ship (B'Rel Class) it was comfortable for most humanoids.
I'm certain that some members of the crew got over the bitter disappointment fairly quickly 😏and adapted,sometimes when facing Certain Death but mostly because of boredom 🙃
@@blairbrown4812 especially after a year into the Dominion war when you saw the casualty rates of other ship classes and the massive plot armor the Defiant seemed to have.
The Defiant is like the A-10 Warthog. She may not be the prettiest, but packs massive firepower. Personally like the Defieant's gunship like roll in Star Fleet.
That is how I always viewed the Defiant class. Let's put two massive engines and 4 massive phaser cannons together and build the ship around that. The result is the Defiant class.
This is true... specially when a Borg ship is 3 cubic kilometers in size....it's wasn't designed for long range combat anyway....it was designed to get up close and personal while the Akira class and Galaxy class and the like hit you from afar
Can you imagine 3 or 4 Defiants decloaking to attack, and then cloaking after they quickly destroy a ship. They would be the terror of the Alpha Quadrant.
to hell with cloaking. 4 Defiants are deadly on their own. And hell, seeing a squadron of them exit warp might be enough to make an enemy commander surrender or flee
Canonically, they were intended to be used in in ground of two to three Defiant classes paired with a light cruiser, like a Nebula or later an Akira or in "wolf packs" of five Defiant classes alone.
Benjamin Sisko really said "Let's take all that power and direct them into my big gun." imagine how the second battle with the borg would've gone if starfleet made like 5 of those and sent them all to fight that borg cube.
You forgot to mention how Defiant-class ships generated so much firepower. Recall that the ship design had the plasma conduits running through the primary phase couplings to double their phaser power! It even made their warp drive more efficient! (Ref: STDS9, S3 E09 "Defiant")
DrewLSsix Really? Come on, Really??? She’s the one who negotiated the death of *Trillions* of sentient life forms, all so her crew of 200-300people “could get home”. She destroyed all those homes and worlds, because she wanted to get back to her “side piece” Mark(starfleet was her first love), and it didn’t matter if she had to make a deal with the Devil(The Borg) to achieve it. Nothing she does in the finale changes that, since the temporal police will change it back to how it’s supposed to end, and take away their cheap “win” over the Borg Queen.
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@@randallb84 yes I would. Janeway sucks and is a horrible Captain.
@@GoatPopsicle and let's not forget the equinox. she read ransom the riot act for what he did. true, what he did was terrible but he never tried to justify it as something great or noble. he knew what he was doing was terrible and was ready to face the consequences of his actions. he even quoted starfleet regs, saying he had to do what he had to do to ensure his crew and ship's survival. and janeway didn't even listen. this is the same ep where she used starfleet regs to pull rank on another captain. so the regs only apply when it benefits janeway. making janeway a admiral was a stupid stupid decision.
Vulcan's held the federation back just like they held humanity back during the NX-01 enterprises career. Wolf 358 taught the federation that yes, sometimes your enemy only speaks violence.... but they should have known.
“Do no push the pink ones onto the thin ice.” The vulcans had held humanity and the Andorians in check. But Wolf 359 showed that such restraint was not always logical.
@@benlaskowski357 that's true, but they still came to the table (agreed, only because of said special circumstances) There's been times in human history where one side has refused to negotiate at all, even in the face of total annihilation I guess humans being more stubborn than the Borg is one of our advantages over them (alongside creativity, pluckiness and others) Side note: I think Picard probably wouldn't have thought that the Borg would be open to negotiation if he'd been in Janeway's place But that's just my take
I honestly was really hoping the US Navy would name their new FFG(X) class of Guided Missile Frigates (which have now become the Constellation-class Frigates) would be named the Defiant-class Frigates and the first ship the USS Defiant. Best ship and ship name ever in Star Trek.
MWBalls it was the destroyer class in an RTS style, so technically yes, but you could build a bunch of them within a few minutes and if you use them in swarm tactics they can take down things a lot bigger than they. The best IMO was the Borg interceptor with its transearo jump. Combine it with a swarm tactic and a prescanned location you could launch is surprise or counterattack immediately against your opponent, particularly useful if they were using special weapons and you knew where the station was. Jump, swarm, destroy the special weapon module or station and the enemy ships only became a whole lot less of a problem.
@@BrokenEyes00 The Borg Probe was the most useful of the early ships. Once you charted the opposition, you could jump into their weak zones, take out a freighter or two, maybe a refinery. When they respond with defenders, you lure them away, and send in a heavier force that was building the meantime. Taking out the research station would set them so far back, if they recovered, you would have even more ships of heavier class and artillery to destroy turrets at will, and reserves to defend with.
There's another part of the defiant you didn't mention. In it's original role as an anti-borg swarm ship, that goofy nose section contained a gigantic antimatter warhead so that, in the event of catastrophic damage that prevented retreat, the ship could be rammed into a borg cube and cause far more damage than its relatively small size would normally allow.
When you back peace loving nerds into a corner. They'll build something utterly ridiculous that can spank you, your friends, and everything else that gets in the way. Don't piss off the Federation.
For centuries the Federation has held it's own in multiple wars with no warships. Weapons are an afterthought. What happens if they put some effort into it?
DS9 was better then any other star trek because it actually had plot that developed over the course of the seasons achieving a happy middle ground between the very boring monster/crisis of the week with no lasting consequences whatsoever of the earlier shows, and the overly dramatic 10-20 hour movies that many of today's TV shows are.
I like to think that Geordie LaForge helped in the design process of the Pulse Phaser Cannon due in part to his Visor tech which they used in an episode of TNG to modify the Enterprises Tractor Beams into a pulse to greatly improve the power they could channel without overheating when they had to divert the course of some stellar debris from hitting a planet.
Geeko170 Agreed this is the closest thing to decent ship design in all of ST, followed by Intrepid class and Cerberus variant of Prometheus class (STO). Most remaining designs don't look like ships, most times not at all.
While i do on occasion think that some other federation ships look ok, the absurd structural weakness in their designs can not be ignored. The Defiant does not have this problem.
@ MWBalls Defiant also has propulsion that looks far more as spaceship engines, than those on any other ST ship and the engines are also big enough to give the ship aceleration usable for space flight. Propulsion look are another point, where other ST ships don't shine, this one does.
back in the day as the defiant first appeared in trek, i hated it, it was ugly, wacky weapons (where are the standard phasers!? were my thoughts then) had a a cloak device (for the USS Defiant) and it was kinda small, it had everything what i didnt liked. but i was a young teenager and had no idea of specifications and lorewise reasons for this ship. now skip several years, me playing the crap out of star trek online...then i first read everything about the defiant escort and designreasons. since then i love this ugly af ship. (my ship (USS Bellona) looks like a defiant / akira mashup and is a heavy escort, my favorite roll in a fleet)
Star Trek Online just released the Victory is Life expansion so the posting of this video is quite appropriate. I played all of new missions in my T6 Fleet Defiant.
Before there were established nomenclature for the weaponry on the Defiant, a friend called the short burst phaser array the "Ripper Cannons"...it fits.
According to the ship design, the impulse engines are built more centrally, with a large muffler to minimise ion wake displacement, making the Defiant harder to track. The hatches on the port and starboard sides of this were ment to be for deploying probes, mines and countermeasures, but in Star Trek online, these hatches are mistakenly lit as impulse engines.
I might not be fond of Trek, but damn if the Defiant had a lot of what I'd ask for in a high-maneuverability warship. A lot of the 'weak point' designs are entirely removed, everything is compact and rugged. I love that one note about 'a power plant built for a ship 4 times its size'. To me that says 'there is power to spare for EVERY system'. (something I've teased my ST fan friend about for a full year now). Defiant class ships are perfect even when they're imperfect.
It's a shame that Michael Eddington didn't try to build some of these when he defected to the Maquis. With his access to the schematics and the industrial replicators he stole he could have at least built one to use for the Maquis. Small, powerful and requiring a small crew complement, this ship would be a huge boost for the Maquis cause. Throw in a Klingon cloaking device for good measure.
Its more of a hybrid between a WW II era destroyer, the speed & AA powers of the American Fletchers, Somers & Summer class, with the bigger guns like the Zerstörer 1936A (Mob) or could it could be seen as a light cruiser such as the Cleveland, Brooklyn & Atlanta classes, That being said it's nice that the Federation finally decides to understand that certain species are not here to make friends, they are here to either assimilate you, Borg & Vong, eat you like the Tyranids, or a combination of those 2 and enslave you in the case of the Dark Eldar & Rakkata,
Fun fact, the Defiant was the second choice of name for this vessel, but the Admiralty felt that "USS Ben Sisko's Mother F**king Pimphand" was too long to paint on the bow.
I like that name for it! I wasn't a fan of her when she debuted, too different from the standard Federation design motif.... but boy did she grow on me big time to become one of my favorite Starfleet vessels.
I don't normally like Federation Starships, but The Defiant is not just my favorite ship from The Federation or the whole of Star Trek, but it is my favorite Starship in all of Sci-Fi. UNSC Infinity is a close second.
I noticed your stats say 5 decks. Which makes you more accurate than every other written stats for the ship I’ve seen (even with officially licensed stuff) states it has 4. Even though Sisko steps into the Turbo-lift one episode and says “Deck 5” So well done on that.
The main problem with the Defiant is there were no official figures released until they had been using it for years, for example in First Contact there was a shot where Enterprise flew past Defiant, and based on the known size of a Soverign class that made Defiant not more than 55m long, most of the earlier shots sugested a length of about 120m, later they seemed to decide it is instead 170m, and there are some shots which require it to be 220m+. the master systems display shows it to have 4 full sized decks and a small area below deck 4 which could qualify as deck 5. the MSD also shows landing legs, after DS9 had finished some of the writers were asked why Defiant never used the legs to land, there response was they did not know it had legs. I realy love the Defiant, I just wish there was more solid information on it.
I did see something where the special effects guys mentioned it was usually scaled in such a way as to make it look cool regardless of the official sizes because it'd be a dot on the screen when next to the likes of a Galaxy class or such. So.... yeah... inconsistent at best (which describes Star trek as a whole really)
A size of 110 to 120 metres fits the cross-section/MSD pretty well, I guess. Problem is there's enough room for four decks, and perhaps BARELY for five, if you include lower nacelle space.
DS9 needs a revival. Most of the surviving cast would definitely jump on it and I'm sure they could even figure out a way to get Jadzia back. I'm surprised we haven't seen more Defiant-like ships as it's pretty much Star Fleet's Bird of Prey.
If you ever decide to redo this video: The defiant was also a Constitution class ship. Its the one that was lost in interphase. There is also the fact that the São Paulo was renamed to defiant after the original was destroyed, after it was given to Sisko. It also had ablative armor, but not like that of the Voyager. Ablative armor was not something every ship had at the time.
My favorite beta cannon spec. Is the ability to load all the quantum torpedoes into the nose. Fire it off and destroy a Borg planet. Though it was designed as a last ditch tactic. This was discussed in The Return.
what makes it formidable is its high maneuverability over a galaxy-class starship like the Enterprise D..too bad the dominion developed the anti-proton beam to detect it even with its cloak on, the beam was even used by the cardassians to detect it
Hammerhead is a excellent pick for a video. SAAB was also among the first sci-fi properties branching out from the space dogfight standards set by Star Wars.
Michael Lewis -The series was filmed at RAAF base Williamstown Australia, you can see Aussie F18 Hornets in the background of the pilot episode. Great request!
Something I've always wondered about the Defiant: it was designed specifically to go toe-to-toe with the Borg and destroy their ships, and it had the shields, engines, and weapons of a Federation ship several times its size. But Starfleet ships several times its size, with those same shields, engines, and weapons mounted in a hull that could actually take the strain of using them, were useless deathtraps when facing the Borg. The techno-zombies would quickly adapt their weapons to evaporate whatever shields were being used, and adapt their own shields to effortlessly counter any phasers and photon torpedoes used against them. It wasn't until things like quantum and tricobalt torpedoes entered the scene that the Borg could be threatened for more than a few moments - and that was Voyager, not the Defiant. ...So, what was it about the Defiant that made it useful against the Borg?
1. It's a smaller target, and Borg usually go for the larger targets first, plus they have more trouble targeting smaller targets (as would most weapon systems). 2. 1 Defiant is NEVER meant to take on a full cube, that's ludicrous. 1 Defiant has the firepower of a Galaxy, and is far cheaper to make, so swarm tactics are a perfectly viable option. 3. The Quad Phaser cannons could be configured so that each pulse has a different frequency, making it harder for the Borg to actually adapt to the weapon.
100% chance to crit due to triphasic ultanium Plot Armor. Like how Luke blew up the Death Star, 1 Defiant class ship would take out a Borg cube by itself.
If Starfleet had actually followed through with the original plan she was supposed to operate as part of a swarm of Defiant class ships (you can really tell that this entire idea came from Sisko can't you?). So you take all the firepower of a big ship, stick it in a ridiculously fast and well shielded target that's a nimble little so-and-so then put a cloud of 'em around a cube. Everyone sets their weapon systems to a different phase frequency (or other technobabble of the week) and open fire. Good luck adapting to that and even if the Borg manage it there's still an ungodly amount of sheer firepower hitting them. Whatever ships survive then form up to fly in middle finger formation orientated towards the Borg wreckage. Well, that and presumably one of them would have The Sisko aboard so the backup plan was to beam him over with a sledgehammer then just pick him up at the other end of the cube. That works too...
A ship long past due for the list of Starfleet's ship classes, I'll admit I'd love to see up to 10% of Starfleet comprised of Akiras, Prometheuses, Sabers, Steamrunners, Norways, Galaxy X refits, Sovereigns, & of course Defiants.
Still to this day one of my fave ships in all fiction. Maybe just cuz I flew one for so long in STO. Yeah I was a fucking admiral still using a Defiant class to beat the Iconians.
I always liked the Defiant, it seemed like a much more “realistic” design than all of the other ST ships. My only problem was that for as tough as it was suppose to be, it seemed like it always got beat pretty easily. In the end, it always survived, but in almost every battle it would get disabled during the battle. Of course for a good story, you must have adversities to over come, but it always made the Defiant seem no more powerful than other ships.
Starfleet: "Yeah of course we can build warships. What, you think we can't just because we don't want to? Bitch, we will build a ship as small as a B'rel that has the firepower of a Vor'cha and can outclass a Negh'var. We will load this thing up with so much cutting edge weapon, defense, and propulsion tech that you'll be glad we were never that serious about militarizing before, and utterly opposed to conquest. Cuz you woulda been fuuuuuuucked."
It wasn't *centuries* of time between the Defiant and Starfleet's last combat vessel. The Federation-class dreadnoughts (canon as a picture of one appears in ST II: Wrath of Khan and described in the original Star Fleet Technical Manual, published in 1975 and re-printed in '86, '96, & '06) were built just a few years after the original Constitution-class heavy cruiser/explorer (somewhere between 2250-2270). The Federation-class was controversial, being the last purpose-built Federation war vessel. For this reason they had a very short operational span before being decommissioned or converted for less-aggressive uses, but they were a thing. The Defiant's construction was finished in 2370, so no more than 120 years after the Federation-class.
I love the design of her. But I think lore reloaded is right in saying the both threat was put out of the federation consciousness and the war time vessels were the result of the dominion, not the Borg
I wonder how exactly many ships of the Defiant class did Starfleet build as I know we've seen 4 of them the prototype U.S.S. Defiant,the U.S.S. Valiant and 2 unnamed ships that were part of the fleet that went after the stolen prototype U.S.S. Prometheus so I've always wondered how many more ships of this class did Starfleet intend to build.
for several episode sthe writers continued with this premise that a romulan had to be present in order to operate the cloaking device, but by later seasons they had given up on this, and it seems to me to be a pretty significant change to cannon. By the time of Star Trek - First Contact they had completely given up on this.
The Defiant was built to fight the Borg, and got absolutely rinsed by the only Cube it fought. Good job, Starfleet! Good thing Sisko made it a hero ship or this would've been an embarrassment.
I've always thought that Defiant was a secret collaborative design with the Romulans during the Borg scare and was actually designed with the cloak, then the whole deal was buried afterward. The whole "cloak for dominion intel" trade never made sense to me except as a cover story. I can certainly see the Romulans granting a treaty exemption in exchange for information sharing, but not giving away an actual cloaking device. Yes, they're alarmed by the Dominion, but Starfleet is hardly the only source of information on them. They'd be far more likely to say "we grant you permission to install a Klingon cloak". Particularly since a Klingon cloak would work just as well for the Gamma quadrant -- if anything better as the Klingons have off the shelf cloaks made for Defiant-sized ships (birds of prey) while Romulans don't really have anything sized between a runabout and a Galaxy class. The Borg on the other hand... in 2365-66 Starfleet is the only game in town for info on them because they're literally physically unreachable. We know the Romulans were so desperate for that info they ended their half century of isolation in 64 and agreed to some baseline collaboration with Starfleet. We know cloaking technology is consistently portrayed as an arms race, so Romulan cloaks would have diverged a lot from Klingon ones over the decades. We know the Borg downloaded a lot of data from Enterprise in 65, so it's reasonable to think they knew about a lot about Klingon cloaking devices, but not about Romulan ones. And we know Defiant's phasers function a lot more like disruptors than they do like ordinary Starfleet ship phasers. So it stands to reason that the Starfleet-Romulan collaboration could have extended to working together on the Defiant in secret. Starfleet gets cloaking technology the Borg haven't seen before along with some Romulan disruptor tech, Romulans get to see the insides of Starfleet torpedoes/shields/engines and get info on the Borg. A much fairer trade. And then when Sisko dragged the ship out in 71, both sides still wanted to keep their old collaboration secret, so pretended it was a new agreement and an off the shelf cloak.
I still have my Playmates Defiant. Took the batteries out. Sturdy enough to fly around by hand but good looking enough to display as a near model. Has Art Asylum made a Defiant? Time to look on Amazon.
I like how the Federation makes one tiny dedicated warship and it can go toe-to-toe with even the more hulking of capital ships in the quadrant. This is what min-maxing is all about, people.
This is what you get for bullying a nerd long enough, he doesn't just learn Karate, he's now making Mustard Gas to ensure you're double dead by the end.
I agree. It's the equivalent of speaking softly but carrying a huge stick.
My favorite Trek ship, and the best looking one too. I have never been a fan of federation ship design, and the Defiant looks sturdy and deadly.
Small, fast, and can hit far beyond its weight. Exactly my type of ship! Always loved a good corvette. It is like a wolf and does well with others. Oh did I mention it has a cloak?!
Wonder if there is a newer ship with more firepower that is similar in shape. Maybe some harder angles. Defiant 2.0.
Okay ranting done and wish you all the best.
@@dianapennepacker6854 in expanded universe lore, I believe that the Callisto-class is the defines successor. Still tiny, but 50% more guns and extra armour.
Heck, Star Trek online has a fleet carrier that can deploy 4 of these things as its standard air wing. No wonder everyone is so scared of the Federation at war.
@@rakshithanand8262 That sounds pretty awesome. I love the idea of fast moving things that can strike way above their weight. In real life it would be a torpedo boat.
Seen a concept of a submersible torpedo boat that was super quick and small. Could quickly unload four torpedo and GTFO before doing some quick dive to avoid fire. They were also planning on one with a massive anti ship missile. Get in close about a mile out and fire before speeding off and submerging.
"These are the voyages of the Starship Defiant. Her ongoing mission: To intimidate strange new worlds; to beat down new life and new civilizations. To Boldly Kick Ass Where No Man Has Kicked Ass Before!"
sounds like the alternate universe version.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Both of them. Constitution- and Defiant-classes.
FRAK YEA!!! :D
Sgt Johnson, but in Star Trek
@@redwastaken3363 sounds like something that Duke Nukem would say if he got his hands on a Defiant, but without the bubblegum. (shame)
"Strap some engines to those weapons and let's call it a day."
"Sir, maybe we should consider some life support systems for the, ah, crew?"
*sighing* "FINE."
An exchange between Benjamin Sisko and a member of the engineering team.
Defiant class sounds like the A10 of Starfleet
I always called this ship the Fist of The Emissary.
That is an awesome name.
Damn, that's pretty good
" I'm about to put my FIST in your opinion"
- Cmdr Sisko
Most people call her Cisco's Pimp Hand. Fist of the Emissary is... alright...I guess.
Seriously though. That's cool. If Bajor ever built their own warships, I could see them naming one Fist of the Emissary in honor of Cisco and his beloved Defiant.
@@duanscott2490 Or "The Sword of the Stars".
Don't forget the dismay of Starfleet personnel finding out that they didn't just have to share rooms, but rooms packed full of bunk beds.
Defiant was never meant to be a long range vessel, creature comfort was not part of the design requirements. However, when compared to a comparable Klingon ship (B'Rel Class) it was comfortable for most humanoids.
It was build like a submarine, with efficiency in mind, not comfort.
I'm certain that some members of the crew got over the bitter disappointment fairly quickly 😏and adapted,sometimes when facing Certain Death but mostly because of boredom 🙃
@@blairbrown4812 especially after a year into the Dominion war when you saw the casualty rates of other ship classes and the massive plot armor the Defiant seemed to have.
The Defiant is like the A-10 Warthog. She may not be the prettiest, but packs massive firepower.
Personally like the Defieant's gunship like roll in Star Fleet.
That is how I always viewed the Defiant class. Let's put two massive engines and 4 massive phaser cannons together and build the ship around that. The result is the Defiant class.
right up until Chintaka, at least.
@@knotsnights6940 damn breen advanced weapon
I always found the Defiant to be the prettiest Starfleet vessel. I hate the nacelles dangling out there as easy to blow up targets in most ships.
Space Brrrrt
I guess aiming is not your biggest problem when you are up versus a borg cube.
This is true... specially when a Borg ship is 3 cubic kilometers in size....it's wasn't designed for long range combat anyway....it was designed to get up close and personal while the Akira class and Galaxy class and the like hit you from afar
@@ZzCanonBull 3 cubic kilometers? More like 27 cubic kilometers!
@@djprojectus it's 3 kilometers along an edge, with internal volume of 28 cubic kilometers
@@DemonsRun87 Why 28 cubic km? Why not 27? The edges are not equal?
@@djprojectus that's what is said on the wiki
Can you imagine 3 or 4 Defiants decloaking to attack, and then cloaking after they quickly destroy a ship. They would be the terror of the Alpha Quadrant.
I always wanted to see that!!! Maybe one day...
to hell with cloaking. 4 Defiants are deadly on their own. And hell, seeing a squadron of them exit warp might be enough to make an enemy commander surrender or flee
This is why one main reason why the Romulan's only allowed the Federation to have one cloaked Defiant!
Canonically, they were intended to be used in in ground of two to three Defiant classes paired with a light cruiser, like a Nebula or later an Akira or in "wolf packs" of five Defiant classes alone.
I heard it was said the Defiant's warp core was equal in power to the warp core of the Galaxy Class as was mentioned by Miles O'Brien.
Benjamin Sisko really said "Let's take all that power and direct them into my big gun." imagine how the second battle with the borg would've gone if starfleet made like 5 of those and sent them all to fight that borg cube.
You forgot to mention how Defiant-class ships generated so much firepower. Recall that the ship design had the plasma conduits running through the primary phase couplings to double their phaser power! It even made their warp drive more efficient! (Ref: STDS9, S3 E09 "Defiant")
Well Said!
The Defiant "totally not a warship"
"escort" class
that just a nice way to say a war ship XD
it is an escort.. it's escorting the weapons to their targets on enemy ships.
@@machinshin2253 oh my
@@machinshin2253 perfect
Escorting its enemies straight to hell.
Did not mention Ablative Armor... Always liked that idea. Shields Smealds!
"A terrifying foe that could never be bargained or negotiated with"
Janeway: Hold my coffee....
Janeway: let's go rob them!!!!XD XD
To be fair, would YOU say no to Janeway?
DrewLSsix Really? Come on, Really???
She’s the one who negotiated the death of *Trillions* of sentient life forms, all so her crew of 200-300people “could get home”. She destroyed all those homes and worlds, because she wanted to get back to her “side piece” Mark(starfleet was her first love), and it didn’t matter if she had to make a deal with the Devil(The Borg) to achieve it.
Nothing she does in the finale changes that, since the temporal police will change it back to how it’s supposed to end, and take away their cheap “win” over the Borg Queen.
@@randallb84 yes I would. Janeway sucks and is a horrible Captain.
@@GoatPopsicle and let's not forget the equinox. she read ransom the riot act for what he did. true, what he did was terrible but he never tried to justify it as something great or noble. he knew what he was doing was terrible and was ready to face the consequences of his actions. he even quoted starfleet regs, saying he had to do what he had to do to ensure his crew and ship's survival. and janeway didn't even listen. this is the same ep where she used starfleet regs to pull rank on another captain. so the regs only apply when it benefits janeway.
making janeway a admiral was a stupid stupid decision.
That is a Badass Class DS9 Ship with major character plot armour
+19 saving throws
It would have emerged in pristine condition, because sisko would will it to.
That's ABLATIVE plot armor.
This ship has the least plot armor. Didn't even make it to the end of the series. They had to replace it with the USS Sao Paulo.
Until it got blown up
That is one tough little ship.
Snapper314 "little? ".You bet me to it.😁
"Little"? You beat me to it!
LITTLE!?
Wolf 359 taught Starfleet a lesson it should have learned from human history: some enemies cannot be negotiated with.
Vulcan's held the federation back just like they held humanity back during the NX-01 enterprises career. Wolf 358 taught the federation that yes, sometimes your enemy only speaks violence.... but they should have known.
“Do no push the pink ones onto the thin ice.”
The vulcans had held humanity and the Andorians in check. But Wolf 359 showed that such restraint was not always logical.
Janeway managed to negotiate with the Collective
@@347Jimmy The Borg were getting their asses chewed by Species 8472. Special circumstances.
@@benlaskowski357 that's true, but they still came to the table (agreed, only because of said special circumstances)
There's been times in human history where one side has refused to negotiate at all, even in the face of total annihilation
I guess humans being more stubborn than the Borg is one of our advantages over them (alongside creativity, pluckiness and others)
Side note: I think Picard probably wouldn't have thought that the Borg would be open to negotiation if he'd been in Janeway's place
But that's just my take
The Defiant class is one of my favorite ships in Star Trek. So happy you did this one, Daniel
I loved that ship best design along with the sovereign class in Star Trek.
Yes I love the design the best out of all Star Trek ships
Gotta love that flying pancake!
Super Saiya-jin Vegeta I've always thought of it as a horseshoe when seen from below and a sea turtle from above.
harder to hit a pancake head on...
AKA “Ben Sisko’s Pimp Hand”.
you forgot to to add Motherf*@#ing
Came down here to see if someone had contributed this quote. Was not disappointed.
😂😂😂😂
That's Benjamin, to you.
Sfdebris fan, too?
By far my favourite ship of all time. Thank you
One of the best ships in Star Trek.
"It's a set of guns strapped to an engine."
where did i hear this before.. oh yeah, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT itself, the a10 warthog
@@roundbrick4890 I was going to say that. Except the A-10 was slow. It would be an A-10 with the engines of an F-22 glued to it.
@@Elthenar Well the A-10 was built to cover ground troops the defiant isn't designed to support ground combat so yeah.
Then he called it the Defiant, second name actually as the Starfleet thought the USS Ben Sisko Mutha*****ing Pimp Hand is too long
I love the Defiant-class. I'd love to see it in updated CGI on PIC season 2.
I love this ship design. Small, but packs a serious punch.
I honestly was really hoping the US Navy would name their new FFG(X) class of Guided Missile Frigates (which have now become the Constellation-class Frigates) would be named the Defiant-class Frigates and the first ship the USS Defiant. Best ship and ship name ever in Star Trek.
My fav ship of starfleet just would have put phaser strip down the cowling of the warp engine and strip on rear to make it a more rounded ship
Pulsed Phaser Cannons haven't been seen the days of Captain Johnathan Archer and the NX-01 Enterprise and her sister ships.
Man oh man, I love your break downs and to hear my favorite ship get one really amped up my week. Thank you!
And you could build em like hot cakes in ST: Armada.
Broken Eyes I loved that game.
Been a while since i played but wasn't the defiant class like the second weakest ship in the federation fleet, in both armada games?
MWBalls it was the destroyer class in an RTS style, so technically yes, but you could build a bunch of them within a few minutes and if you use them in swarm tactics they can take down things a lot bigger than they.
The best IMO was the Borg interceptor with its transearo jump. Combine it with a swarm tactic and a prescanned location you could launch is surprise or counterattack immediately against your opponent, particularly useful if they were using special weapons and you knew where the station was. Jump, swarm, destroy the special weapon module or station and the enemy ships only became a whole lot less of a problem.
Was a brilliant game
@@BrokenEyes00 The Borg Probe was the most useful of the early ships. Once you charted the opposition, you could jump into their weak zones, take out a freighter or two, maybe a refinery. When they respond with defenders, you lure them away, and send in a heavier force that was building the meantime. Taking out the research station would set them so far back, if they recovered, you would have even more ships of heavier class and artillery to destroy turrets at will, and reserves to defend with.
1:44 FLY HER APART, THEN!
I'm surprised no one has said this yet and why have you not received any thumbs up yet?
Trek fans are slipping.
There's another part of the defiant you didn't mention. In it's original role as an anti-borg swarm ship, that goofy nose section contained a gigantic antimatter warhead so that, in the event of catastrophic damage that prevented retreat, the ship could be rammed into a borg cube and cause far more damage than its relatively small size would normally allow.
My all time favorite star trek vessel. this little beast has it all.
When you back peace loving nerds into a corner. They'll build something utterly ridiculous that can spank you, your friends, and everything else that gets in the way. Don't piss off the Federation.
The Federation would rather chill but the Borg and Dominion are buzzkills.
For centuries the Federation has held it's own in multiple wars with no warships. Weapons are an afterthought.
What happens if they put some effort into it?
The Pimp Hand of the Emissary.
As of this writing, 1.4K likes vs. 3 dislikes. Speaks volumes about the amazing content quality you put together - keep up the great work!
Featuring another ship of the class at 2:29: The Tnaifed SSU, registry number 50247-XN. (From the mirror universe. 😁)
Weapons officer.. .do you see that dominion ship?
Yes Sir.
Well, I don't want to.
Understood Sir.
Sisko's Pimp Hand!!!
I love this "little" ship
Do the Intrepid class or the Sovereign class next please. Then you could do a video on Earth Spacedock .
DS9 is still my favorite Star Trek Series. TNG be damned.
TNG was great, but DS9 was on a different level.
i liked voyager better but my all time favorite will be Stargate SG1
Babylon 5 > all
Ds9 was based on Babylon 5. Both awesome
DS9 was better then any other star trek because it actually had plot that developed over the course of the seasons achieving a happy middle ground between the very boring monster/crisis of the week with no lasting consequences whatsoever of the earlier shows, and the overly dramatic 10-20 hour movies that many of today's TV shows are.
When humans say they want to put their dark, warlike past behind them, don't force them to show you why.
I like to think that Geordie LaForge helped in the design process of the Pulse Phaser Cannon due in part to his Visor tech which they used in an episode of TNG to modify the Enterprises Tractor Beams into a pulse to greatly improve the power they could channel without overheating when they had to divert the course of some stellar debris from hitting a planet.
Five years later, still an awesome description of the toughest ship in the fleet. Q'Plah!
My biggest complaint with Star Trek are the ship designs. The Defiance is the one ship I very much love the design of. Best Star Trek ship.
The reliant wasnt bad too.
Geeko170 Agreed this is the closest thing to decent ship design in all of ST, followed by Intrepid class and Cerberus variant of Prometheus class (STO). Most remaining designs don't look like ships, most times not at all.
While i do on occasion think that some other federation ships look ok, the absurd structural weakness in their designs can not be ignored. The Defiant does not have this problem.
@ MWBalls Defiant also has propulsion that looks far more as spaceship engines, than those on any other ST ship and the engines are also big enough to give the ship aceleration usable for space flight.
Propulsion look are another point, where other ST ships don't shine, this one does.
Personally I really like the ST ship designs.
THE USS BEN SISKO'S MOTHA****IN PIMP HAND, AT LAST!
On a completely different subject, have you ever done a clip on "Space battleship Yamato?"
back in the day as the defiant first appeared in trek, i hated it, it was ugly, wacky weapons (where are the standard phasers!? were my thoughts then) had a a cloak device (for the USS Defiant) and it was kinda small, it had everything what i didnt liked. but i was a young teenager and had no idea of specifications and lorewise reasons for this ship.
now skip several years, me playing the crap out of star trek online...then i first read everything about the defiant escort and designreasons.
since then i love this ugly af ship.
(my ship (USS Bellona) looks like a defiant / akira mashup and is a heavy escort, my favorite roll in a fleet)
I love this Star trek ship. It is small but has excellent combat armor and weapons
For some reason this ship always reminds me of the HMP droid gunship from starwars but bigger, and is manned by a crew.
Star Trek Online just released the Victory is Life expansion so the posting of this video is quite appropriate. I played all of new missions in my T6 Fleet Defiant.
I enjoyed your commentary. Thank you
Before there were established nomenclature for the weaponry on the Defiant, a friend called the short burst phaser array the "Ripper Cannons"...it fits.
The defiant class is definitely my favorite starship!
According to the ship design, the impulse engines are built more centrally, with a large muffler to minimise ion wake displacement, making the Defiant harder to track. The hatches on the port and starboard sides of this were ment to be for deploying probes, mines and countermeasures, but in Star Trek online, these hatches are mistakenly lit as impulse engines.
Yes! Been waiting for this one,,this ship could kick some ass big time....how about rikers ship next? The titan mybe? Or luna class as there known....
I might not be fond of Trek, but damn if the Defiant had a lot of what I'd ask for in a high-maneuverability warship. A lot of the 'weak point' designs are entirely removed, everything is compact and rugged. I love that one note about 'a power plant built for a ship 4 times its size'. To me that says 'there is power to spare for EVERY system'. (something I've teased my ST fan friend about for a full year now). Defiant class ships are perfect even when they're imperfect.
It's a shame that Michael Eddington didn't try to build some of these when he defected to the Maquis. With his access to the schematics and the industrial replicators he stole he could have at least built one to use for the Maquis. Small, powerful and requiring a small crew complement, this ship would be a huge boost for the Maquis cause. Throw in a Klingon cloaking device for good measure.
Its more of a hybrid between a WW II era destroyer, the speed & AA powers of the American Fletchers, Somers & Summer class, with the bigger guns like the Zerstörer 1936A (Mob) or could it could be seen as a light cruiser such as the Cleveland, Brooklyn & Atlanta classes,
That being said it's nice that the Federation finally decides to understand that certain species are not here to make friends, they are here to either assimilate you, Borg & Vong, eat you like the Tyranids, or a combination of those 2 and enslave you in the case of the Dark Eldar & Rakkata,
Or as I call her, Starfleet's Pitbull
it clearly is a dog of war
Fun fact, the Defiant was the second choice of name for this vessel, but the Admiralty felt that "USS Ben Sisko's Mother F**king Pimphand" was too long to paint on the bow.
Mr 305?
I like that name for it! I wasn't a fan of her when she debuted, too different from the standard Federation design motif.... but boy did she grow on me big time to become one of my favorite Starfleet vessels.
I liked the Defiant. Powerful, but not to the point of having no weaknesses. Specialized for its role.
I don't normally like Federation Starships, but The Defiant is not just my favorite ship from The Federation or the whole of Star Trek, but it is my favorite Starship in all of Sci-Fi. UNSC Infinity is a close second.
If i could like these videos a billion times i would.
I love the Defiant so damn much.
I noticed your stats say 5 decks. Which makes you more accurate than every other written stats for the ship I’ve seen (even with officially licensed stuff) states it has 4.
Even though Sisko steps into the Turbo-lift one episode and says “Deck 5”
So well done on that.
The main problem with the Defiant is there were no official figures released until they had been using it for years, for example in First Contact there was a shot where Enterprise flew past Defiant, and based on the known size of a Soverign class that made Defiant not more than 55m long, most of the earlier shots sugested a length of about 120m, later they seemed to decide it is instead 170m, and there are some shots which require it to be 220m+.
the master systems display shows it to have 4 full sized decks and a small area below deck 4 which could qualify as deck 5.
the MSD also shows landing legs, after DS9 had finished some of the writers were asked why Defiant never used the legs to land, there response was they did not know it had legs.
I realy love the Defiant, I just wish there was more solid information on it.
I did see something where the special effects guys mentioned it was usually scaled in such a way as to make it look cool regardless of the official sizes because it'd be a dot on the screen when next to the likes of a Galaxy class or such.
So.... yeah... inconsistent at best (which describes Star trek as a whole really)
A size of 110 to 120 metres fits the cross-section/MSD pretty well, I guess. Problem is there's enough room for four decks, and perhaps BARELY for five, if you include lower nacelle space.
So much better than trekyards!!
Your voice is pleasant and I can listen for hours but trekyards is painful 🤷🏽♂️🙄
DS9 needs a revival. Most of the surviving cast would definitely jump on it and I'm sure they could even figure out a way to get Jadzia back.
I'm surprised we haven't seen more Defiant-like ships as it's pretty much Star Fleet's Bird of Prey.
Huh, a video on a DS9 debuting craft, and STO launched the Victory is Life...expansion...thingy... today...
If you ever decide to redo this video: The defiant was also a Constitution class ship. Its the one that was lost in interphase. There is also the fact that the São Paulo was renamed to defiant after the original was destroyed, after it was given to Sisko. It also had ablative armor, but not like that of the Voyager. Ablative armor was not something every ship had at the time.
Am I the only one to notice that the artwork beginning at 2:30 is in reverse??? (Have a look at the hull number; it is in mirror image.)
My favorite beta cannon spec. Is the ability to load all the quantum torpedoes into the nose. Fire it off and destroy a Borg planet. Though it was designed as a last ditch tactic. This was discussed in The Return.
I love the idea of the Defiant, its like the Feds had to rediscover the "Destoryer" class of ship.
“Escort” vessel
I love the defiant and the galaxy class ships and the intrepid class
My most favorite ship in the Star Trek Universe.
what makes it formidable is its high maneuverability over a galaxy-class starship like the Enterprise D..too bad the dominion developed the anti-proton beam to detect it even with its cloak on, the beam was even used by the cardassians to detect it
Another great video. Can you please do the Hammer Head from Space Above and Beyond. You should at least watch the show for good space combat.
Hammerhead is a excellent pick for a video. SAAB was also among the first sci-fi properties branching out from the space dogfight standards set by Star Wars.
Michael Lewis -The series was filmed at RAAF base Williamstown Australia, you can see Aussie F18 Hornets in the background of the pilot episode. Great request!
Did you know that Russian sent spies to check on the Hammerhead when it was shipped to Australia, thinking that it was US new fighter prototype?
AlexSDU I did not that is cool.
Something I've always wondered about the Defiant: it was designed specifically to go toe-to-toe with the Borg and destroy their ships, and it had the shields, engines, and weapons of a Federation ship several times its size.
But Starfleet ships several times its size, with those same shields, engines, and weapons mounted in a hull that could actually take the strain of using them, were useless deathtraps when facing the Borg. The techno-zombies would quickly adapt their weapons to evaporate whatever shields were being used, and adapt their own shields to effortlessly counter any phasers and photon torpedoes used against them. It wasn't until things like quantum and tricobalt torpedoes entered the scene that the Borg could be threatened for more than a few moments - and that was Voyager, not the Defiant.
...So, what was it about the Defiant that made it useful against the Borg?
1. It's a smaller target, and Borg usually go for the larger targets first, plus they have more trouble targeting smaller targets (as would most weapon systems).
2. 1 Defiant is NEVER meant to take on a full cube, that's ludicrous. 1 Defiant has the firepower of a Galaxy, and is far cheaper to make, so swarm tactics are a perfectly viable option.
3. The Quad Phaser cannons could be configured so that each pulse has a different frequency, making it harder for the Borg to actually adapt to the weapon.
100% chance to crit due to triphasic ultanium Plot Armor. Like how Luke blew up the Death Star, 1 Defiant class ship would take out a Borg cube by itself.
If Starfleet had actually followed through with the original plan she was supposed to operate as part of a swarm of Defiant class ships (you can really tell that this entire idea came from Sisko can't you?). So you take all the firepower of a big ship, stick it in a ridiculously fast and well shielded target that's a nimble little so-and-so then put a cloud of 'em around a cube. Everyone sets their weapon systems to a different phase frequency (or other technobabble of the week) and open fire. Good luck adapting to that and even if the Borg manage it there's still an ungodly amount of sheer firepower hitting them. Whatever ships survive then form up to fly in middle finger formation orientated towards the Borg wreckage.
Well, that and presumably one of them would have The Sisko aboard so the backup plan was to beam him over with a sledgehammer then just pick him up at the other end of the cube. That works too...
A ship long past due for the list of Starfleet's ship classes, I'll admit I'd love to see up to 10% of Starfleet comprised of Akiras, Prometheuses, Sabers, Steamrunners, Norways, Galaxy X refits, Sovereigns, & of course Defiants.
Still to this day one of my fave ships in all fiction. Maybe just cuz I flew one for so long in STO. Yeah I was a fucking admiral still using a Defiant class to beat the Iconians.
Your not alone p. This Admiral prefers to fly a ship that says “ I came to be nice but just to be sure you take me seriously”
I always liked the Defiant, it seemed like a much more “realistic” design than all of the other ST ships. My only problem was that for as tough as it was suppose to be, it seemed like it always got beat pretty easily. In the end, it always survived, but in almost every battle it would get disabled during the battle. Of course for a good story, you must have adversities to over come, but it always made the Defiant seem no more powerful than other ships.
It would have been cool to see some of the previous ship models retrofitted with the pulsed phasers, only in turrets...
The most badass space sub that ever existed.
Damn, how many issues did the original prototype suffer through that endangered the crew?
Mecha-san all of them
Answer: yes.
When the mirror universe tried to build it they almost crashed it in the test flight because they hadn't fixed everything like in the prime universe
Starfleet: "Yeah of course we can build warships. What, you think we can't just because we don't want to? Bitch, we will build a ship as small as a B'rel that has the firepower of a Vor'cha and can outclass a Negh'var. We will load this thing up with so much cutting edge weapon, defense, and propulsion tech that you'll be glad we were never that serious about militarizing before, and utterly opposed to conquest. Cuz you woulda been fuuuuuuucked."
I am utterly amused that all this time in the history of Trek the Federation was pulling its punches.
2:20 - Why is the defiant image invertered? lol
It wasn't *centuries* of time between the Defiant and Starfleet's last combat vessel. The Federation-class dreadnoughts (canon as a picture of one appears in ST II: Wrath of Khan and described in the original Star Fleet Technical Manual, published in 1975 and re-printed in '86, '96, & '06) were built just a few years after the original Constitution-class heavy cruiser/explorer (somewhere between 2250-2270). The Federation-class was controversial, being the last purpose-built Federation war vessel. For this reason they had a very short operational span before being decommissioned or converted for less-aggressive uses, but they were a thing. The Defiant's construction was finished in 2370, so no more than 120 years after the Federation-class.
I love the design of her. But I think lore reloaded is right in saying the both threat was put out of the federation consciousness and the war time vessels were the result of the dominion, not the Borg
I wonder how exactly many ships of the Defiant class did Starfleet build as I know we've seen 4 of them the prototype U.S.S. Defiant,the U.S.S. Valiant and 2 unnamed ships that were part of the fleet that went after the stolen prototype U.S.S. Prometheus so I've always wondered how many more ships of this class did Starfleet intend to build.
for several episode sthe writers continued with this premise that a romulan had to be present in order to operate the cloaking device, but by later seasons they had given up on this, and it seems to me to be a pretty significant change to cannon. By the time of Star Trek - First Contact they had completely given up on this.
The Defiant was built to fight the Borg, and got absolutely rinsed by the only Cube it fought. Good job, Starfleet! Good thing Sisko made it a hero ship or this would've been an embarrassment.
Why isn’t there a ❤️button
that seems to be reserved for the persion who posts the video
thanks for great birthday Present its my Birthday in this side of world thanks spacedock
Borg: Negotiation is irrelevant
Feds: 'turns neck with cracking sound' YOU WILL LEARN OF OUR PEACFUL WAYS BY FORCE!!!
The Defiant class warship is as Commander Riker said 2 Mr Worf on Star Trek First Contact tough little ship
Been waiting for this.
Dont torget that Junkball Media video about the Defiants Bow Doors, which is supposedly by the deflector dish, lol.
The Delta Flyer suffering from 'roid rage,and with the right amount of Klingon Bird-of-Prey, for good measure.
I've always thought that Defiant was a secret collaborative design with the Romulans during the Borg scare and was actually designed with the cloak, then the whole deal was buried afterward.
The whole "cloak for dominion intel" trade never made sense to me except as a cover story. I can certainly see the Romulans granting a treaty exemption in exchange for information sharing, but not giving away an actual cloaking device. Yes, they're alarmed by the Dominion, but Starfleet is hardly the only source of information on them. They'd be far more likely to say "we grant you permission to install a Klingon cloak". Particularly since a Klingon cloak would work just as well for the Gamma quadrant -- if anything better as the Klingons have off the shelf cloaks made for Defiant-sized ships (birds of prey) while Romulans don't really have anything sized between a runabout and a Galaxy class.
The Borg on the other hand... in 2365-66 Starfleet is the only game in town for info on them because they're literally physically unreachable. We know the Romulans were so desperate for that info they ended their half century of isolation in 64 and agreed to some baseline collaboration with Starfleet. We know cloaking technology is consistently portrayed as an arms race, so Romulan cloaks would have diverged a lot from Klingon ones over the decades. We know the Borg downloaded a lot of data from Enterprise in 65, so it's reasonable to think they knew about a lot about Klingon cloaking devices, but not about Romulan ones. And we know Defiant's phasers function a lot more like disruptors than they do like ordinary Starfleet ship phasers.
So it stands to reason that the Starfleet-Romulan collaboration could have extended to working together on the Defiant in secret. Starfleet gets cloaking technology the Borg haven't seen before along with some Romulan disruptor tech, Romulans get to see the insides of Starfleet torpedoes/shields/engines and get info on the Borg. A much fairer trade. And then when Sisko dragged the ship out in 71, both sides still wanted to keep their old collaboration secret, so pretended it was a new agreement and an off the shelf cloak.
I still have my Playmates Defiant. Took the batteries out. Sturdy enough to fly around by hand but good looking enough to display as a near model.
Has Art Asylum made a Defiant? Time to look on Amazon.