The Defiant's Pulse Phaser Cannons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2022
- The Defiant prototyped a lot of technologies for Starfleet as the first dedicated escort and anti-Borg ship made for battle by the Federation. It served with distinction in the Dominion War and was armed with these new types of phaser technology, the pulse phaser cannons. Let's take a look at what made those special.
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Sisko's peaceful negotiators....
Reminder: Don't fuck with the Sisko.
'Don't fuck with the' is his full legal middle name. It was Layfayette for a while, but he changed it after he took down like 12 genetically engineered Jem'Hadar super soldiers in CQC.
The ensigns call them "tickle launchers"
Oh man that old atttack of the clones joke 🤣
Stern greeting.
USS _Sisko's Muthaf**kin Pimp Hand_
I assumed part of what made them anti-borg weapons was that each projectile could have a different frequency, thus making it harder for the Borg to adapt their shields to absorb them.
each phaser pulse had a slightly different configuration , making it much harder for the Borg to adapt to it . probably also why the phaser rifles were redesigned to fire pulses
This ship is proof that Starfleet can make a real warship when they want to.
An the other alpha quadrant powers should be grateful they they don't really want to.
True, this makes me want a power fantasy series where Starfleet goes all out with warship designs and obliterate every other species
@@general_prodigy Wouldn't that be the Mirror Universe?
@@nilok7 In many ways, the Mirror Universe is behind on technological development. This is due to the hundred year gap between the Empire's original run, and their rise to power through the rebellion. Though the discovery of the original Defiant put them ahead of the curve, Empress Sato's coup (and likely a lack of interest in tearing her new toy apart to learn more about it) didn't push them quite as far ahead as it could have at the time. This is what ultimately lead to the first downfall of the Empire at the hands of an interspecies alliance.
The rebellion managed to construct a New Defiant warship with help from the Prime universe a bit after one was made there. For all of their warlike tendencies, it seems like the Terran Empire's constant backstabbing and betrayal stunts their growth in comparison to the prime except in cases where someone comes along and beats them over the head with the cooperation stick.
@@danieltilson4053 So Romulan problems
Each pulse of the Pulse Phaser Cannon was multilayered like an onion (or an ogre), the segments of the ‘barrel’ of the Pulse Phaser Cannon added additional layers of phased energy to the pulse as it traveled down the barrel, this meant that individual pulses could disrupt shields on contact and deliver a proportion of the pulse’s energy to the hull beneath. As was the case with Quantum Torpedoes, Starfleet weapons development had become focused on disrupting shields in an effort to overcome the Borg’s advanced shield technology, ultimately culminating in Transphasic Torpedos.
Which instead of just disruption shields, just phased through them like they didn't even exists.
goes to show the talent of Sisko cooking
he makes the onions chop YOU
I thought (I'm not being confrontational here, I'm just outdated in my Trek and tone of voice doesn't exist online, so please forgive me) that the Borg used unusual subspace dispersion fields on their ships rather than traditional shields? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm an old girl now and grew up with TNG and only partially did Voyager before real life called, so I'm out of the loop.
But yeah as David said, the quantum uncertainty of the Quantum Torpedoes and the interphasic nature of Transphasic Torpedoes being the point, they should be able to shift through shields AND certain frequencies of subspace fields. Best wishes gentlemen.
@@thanqualthehighseer LOL That's spectacular. I like to imagine Sisko's first talk with Command for a ship design was "It's got a warp core, nacelles, surrounding torpedo tubes and phase pulse cannons."
"But Commander what about the crew?"
"Oh yes, space for a crew. We shall straddle it, sir."
Borg's have shields? Makes sense. But in older starfleet command games, Borg's didn't have shields
Like all starfleet designs, the Phase Cannon serves multiple functions! In addition to its use as a weapon, they were commonly also used to break other ships down to their base particles
yup. planetary mining laser an all that. or removing solar systems from major hyperspace lanes for efficiency.
@@aredub1847 What is the Federation's position on Vogon Poetry?
eeer............breaking others ships down to their base particles is not considered a weapon?
@@rolandet that's the joke
@@DatBrasss My point exactly
I don't think this is ever said anywhere, but I imagine that since the Defiant is meant to fight the Borg, the pulse cannons were the natural evolution of rotating phaser frequencies. It fires from four emitters at a time, each one at a different frequency, and each emitter rotating frequency each time it fires a pulse. While this would be necessary against the Borg, it would likely wreak havoc on practically everyone else's shields too.
Not really. Regular shields don't care which frequency you use......so long as it's not the same one the shields use. Rotating would be meaningless unless you got lucky now and then and randomly matched up. The only reason they need to rotate when attacking the borg is so that the borg don't completely invalidate the frequency you're using in their higher tech shields controlled by their hive mind which is capable of coming up with many different defenses rapidly. Other races didn't really have that advantage so ........rotating frequencies wasn't helpful. The dominion didn't care for example.
@@MrBottlecapBill If you got lucky and matched up then you could potentially shift all your shots into the frequency which would bypass the shield.
It's not likely to ever happen, but it is theoretically possible. So unless there is a cost to continually shifting frequencies, like reduced firing rate, then it would seem best to just rotate and keep the computer monitoring if any pulses bypass the shields and adapt to that.
A phaser is a knife, it can be used as a tool or a weapon, depending on who's using it. A pulse phaser is a sword, it has one purpose.
Cutting a cake? :D
That first line was beautifully delivered
Please don't encourage him.
I always thought it was a shame that the sound effect for the phaser cannon was changed after the Defiant's first appearance in The Search, the original effect was awesome.
The original sound effect was properly aggressive. It meant BUSINESS. It said, "Hi. Starfleet is here to punch you in the face. Starfleet Go BRRR!"
for some reason, they used a completely different sound in the First Contact movie. personally, i hated the change.
@@omega311888 It sounded differently in FC due to it being on low power after fighting the cube well over an hour, it was beaten up badly and used up most of its energy, at that point it was wounded and weak but still fighting 💪 as it was designed to do just that.
Loved the Garrus pop up for "Calibrations?" But great weapons video. Always great to find one of your's when browsing TH-cam.
Also note because this ship was designed to fight the borg, the Pulse phaser bursts could likely be firing with each shot being a different frequency to prevent the Borg from adapting quickly to the phaser frequency
In Star Trek Online, every starship I have that can put dual cannons on have these cannons equipped.
I love the sound and the visuals of it. Plus, in conjunction with normal phaser dual heavy and dual cannons, they tear through anything like crap through a goose.
I still love the phaser strips because of their range, firing arc, and I just love the "charge up" they do where two phaser semi circles meet at a point and then fire. But the pulse phasers are also quite cool
Agreed. The build up adds a degree of...suspense? No, Anticipation.
I always loved Phaser strips. I thought they were a way cooler offensive option than the pulse cannon style. I think the defiant would have been extra cool if it also had a few strips somewhere. Though I do see why it probably doesn't need them as its much more maneuverable than a large capital ship. So having strips on a larger ship like the Galaxy class makes more sense since it basically has to sit in one spot and fire and the strips are able to follow a target without the ship itself flapping around and maneuvering.
There are at least two beam emitters on the Defiant, too. There's one on the "nose" and another near the bridge. These can be seen firing in some episodes. The first time I noticed them was during the Defiant vs. Lakota battle. I first thought it was the Lakota firing on the Defiant, before realising some of the beam shots were coming from the Defiant.
There's probably one on the underside and one on the aft, too, in order to give it full 360-degree coverage.
Defiant had a beam emitter on top, just a smaller one.
It also fits Starfleet ethos too. Strips offer balanced multi-vector cover - very important because Fed ships don't tend to fire first. So strips are better suited for counter-firing when your attacker would likely have left the firing arc of your forward facing weapons
The strips have a significant amount of their mechanism inside the hull, the Defiant doesn't have the interior volume to spare to make strips practical.
It does have a few strips; I believe it has 3 in addition to his phase cannons.....
So… An energy-based railgun. I’ve always loved the Defiant’s Phase Cannons, and cannon based ship builds in Star Trek Online, but this makes them even cooler.
I've always loved running cannon escorts (and similar ships, like BoPs and light/tactical warbirds).
A what-based railgun.
@@geofredotappan9777 railguns traditionally are big metal slugs being propelled by rows of magnets along the rail. These pulse phaser cannons propel condensed energy in much the same way.
I understand the concept of the railgun, or if you'd rather, the coilgun. My question was about the " engery- based" weapon.
@@geofredotappan9777 Any focused or high intensity projectile that is made of light or some other energized particle, and has no real substance or mass, is an energy weapon. Real world lasers that are intense enough to cause damage to whatever they're hitting are "energy weapons". Phasers, Disruptors, Proton Beams, etc. Anything where the "bullet" is an excited particle beam, and not something with physical mass, like a metal slug, is an energy beam. The terminology is common across almost all sci-fi. Not just Star Trek.
Probably my favourite sci-fi ship.
She is a tough little ship. A lot of first.
That Garrus reference what perfet!
You know it would have been amazing if during the Dominion War Starfleet had outfitted the wartime Galaxies with massive arrays of these things.
Truly make it a glass canon with massive phaser canons.
Probably didn't because of the high quality crystal requirement. Better to put them on the maneuverable ships like the Defiants and let the Galaxies stick with the big Type X phasers they were designed for. It's not really that much of a downgrade, Type X phasers were originally planetary defense weapons.
@@3Rayfire would've still been cool to see a few galaxies with like, proper mechanical turrets housing several pulse phaser cannons scattered all over the hull
@@platiuscyndar9017 I had hoped they'd have slapped a Spinal Phaser Lance from the Galaxy X on them myself. Would've given a nice "wait are we in Q's timeline" moment to All Good Things.
Absolutely brilliant to add Garrus from ME during the calibration part 😂😂😂
Awesome! Love the breakdown of this. The Defiant takes a lick'n and keeps on tick'n. It brings on the pain in the form of rain!
One of my preference weapons in Star Trek.
Pulse Phasers are basically the Trek equivalent to Star Wars Turbo"lasers", firing a particle bolt instead of a sustained beam.
Which technically shouldn't matter lol. Same particles hitting the same place. In fact the beam would technically have MORE particles hitting the same target than the pulses would. A beam is literally pulses that are so fast they form a continuous line. More star trek mumjo jumbo honestly. It would be like saying the machine gun that fires 100 rounds a minute is better at destroying targets than the one that fires 10000 rounds a minute shooting at the same target with the same rounds. Makes no sense. Tying the cannons into the warp core for more bang is the only logical part of that explanation honestly.
You forgot about the Pulse Phaser Cannons most remarkable ability!
The ability to be fired and changed direction with the Defiant's maneuvering. It happened I think twice in the show, odd they never mentioned it either in the show!
(yes I'm aware it was likely an error or they couldn't change the effects in time or something but it was still jarring to see and fun to point out)
Ah yes. The Pulse Phaser Cannons Canon
I've always held to the belief that the Pulsed Phaser cannons are just Starfleet using semantics to cover up the fact that they were using disruptors.
No, see, the disruptors are green and these are yellow. Big difference.
@@Silverhawk100 True, but I don't follow the colors as a solid rule. Phasers used to be blue, after all.
@@deinekes9What do these colors mean anyway? Not just in ST, but in all sci fi that uses energy weapons. Is there a scientific explanation?
@@Silverhawk100 _Cut to a sheepish looking ensign dropping food coloring into the emitters_
@darkleome5409 In real life, different colors correspond to different energy levels. Red light (& longer wavelengths from infrared onward) is low energy, and purple light (& shorter wavelengths from ultraviolet onward) is high energy.
Call me basic, but I much prefer the "bolt" type phaser cannons like these over the classic beam phaser arrays. Ideally, you'd build ships with both, to give them excellent firepower for head-on attacks and also coverage at every possible angle.
I love how most ships in STO which can equip cannons actually have those visible weapon ports on the front, like the Alita and Avenger. Always makes it look cooler, like it has "teeth."
Rick really enjoyed that pun at the beginning. I did too Rick, I did too.
The easy way to understand the advantage is to understand the time a stream needs to be on target to reach a destructive energy level. Pulses shorten that time requirement. If, lets say, the equivalent of 5 seconds of beam energy is channeled into one pulse instantly, this reduces the need to sustain a prolonged targeting window for similar effects.
I wouldn't be surprised if these cannons were "just" a scaled-up version of the technology used by phaser rifles, which had been using focused pulses instead of beams for a while.
Of course they wouldn't translate 1:1 to the ship scale, with withstanding the massive energies and finding pure crystals large enough being two of the major challenges that prevented them from becoming the go-to much sooner. But those smaller drawbacks didn't matter much with the Borg threat emerging, so they got on that immediately.
They are amazing weapons.
It was the advent of solid state lasers over gas lasers that brought the change around.
The phaser strip weapon sound is asmr to my ears.
Enjoying these treats into Star trek and sto lore.Keep em coming.
Love these vids of yours :)
I saw a theory that the phaser cannons are a disruptor integrated phaser. Starfleet just played with semantics to avoid admitting they're using "barbaric" disruptor.
Every explorer needs a Machine Gun.
(See Star Trek : First Contact Holodeck scene)
To be fair, the defiant class was an explicitly combat focused ship, not an explorer. It's an escort.
Now, if they put those canons on an Intrepid or Galaxy class, then we could call bullshit...
The Defiant is essentially Starfleet's A-10 Warthog. A ship built around a weapons system.
As SF Debris put it, "It's a set of guns strapped to an engine."
if anyone remembers the Veron-T disruptors now those would make an awesome shipboard weapon
As would the Verteron array, the Xindi weapon, the Isokinetic cannon, the Chrono weapon of the timeship, etc.
I once asked why the Romulan Republic (and the playable Romulan faction overall) were using Plasma weapons instead of their usual Disruptors, but I don't think I ever found a good in-game canon answer. Here are my own theories:
I remember hearing that Plasma weaponry was also a much older technology than modern Phaser and Disruptor weaponry, and that maybe the Republic Romulans decided to discard the Disruptors, as they saw Disruptors as a vestige of the old imperial life. Another theory I had was that Romulans were also salvaging Borg technology, and that Borg were primarily Plasma users, and thus Republic Romulans themselves began using Plasma weaponry based on recovered Borg weaponry.
USS Lionheart is a great name for a Defiant class.
For my Defiant in STO I went with USS Susanoo, a reference to the Japanese god of storms. Almost all of my ships in STO make some reference to mythological figures in someway or another.
I'm guessing the compression phaser rifles seen mostly on Voyager follow a similar principle?
The straps are arrays of phaser emitters. 23rd century ships had dual emitter phaser banks.
the saucer section strips weren't the only strips on the ship, on the Galaxy class there were also strips on the ventral and dorsal surface of the flat part of the nacelle pylons, a strip cross the ventral surface forward on the star-drive section, and a strip which can only be use din separated flight on the dorsal docking surface of the star-drive section
I fell asleep before this video and slept right through it. So I'm back to watch it again, awake this time.
Thank you for the double view then!
@@CertifiablyIngame Looking forward to the phaser strip video!
Always reminds me of the superphasers on the miranda classes rollbar
....... Tough little ship
Little?
So essentially, the Defiant's Pulse cannons are overclocked to the point of burnout, and Sisko doesn't give a damn if it means the Defiant needs more spare parts.
I'd love to hear Rick's opinion on the phase cannons from Enterprise, and how they work compared to the phaser arrays from the 23rd century.
The Star Trek Adventures game classifies starship weapons into three categories: *cannons* (short range, bonus damage. As seen on the Defiant and most Klingon ships), *banks* (medium range, slightly less bonus damage. as seen on 23rd C Starfleet ships), and *arrays* (medium range, no bonus damage but gaining additional optional effects. These are the "strips").
The game gives the NX class Phase *cannons,* which I have never felt 100% comfortable with. However, it's really hard to say whether cannons or banks would best describe how they work onscreen. The NX-class Enterprise does dogfight in almost every combat scene, but it's hard to say if it's weapons are punching above their weight class!
Edit: Spelling
Good man rick thanks for another great video sir 👍
Um, can this wait? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.
“I thought starfleet doesn’t believe in warships?”
“Major they still exist and serve a clear purpose in a fleet regardless of beliefs, silly.”
The Defiant was the A-10 Warthog of Star Trek actually 😁
Hello Rick,
All here.
the PPCs always felt to me like if you take the concept of a Swiz Army Knife - a tool throughout but yes it can be used as a weapon.... but taking the concept and turning it into Rambo's Knife instead. There is still a compass in the bottom of the hilt, there's twine and needle to do quick field-sutures, it got that saw-tack'd top ridge that could rip barbed wire in two... and it was a big fuck-off knife.
Pov your a star destroyer with a superiority complex wondering what that 4 deck high ship is going to do to you after your turbo lasers prove to be both inaccurate and ineffective
Like the "machine gun". Or maybe "gatling gun" or the Warthog's "Avenger"cannon.
The pulsed weapons are actually a good idea overall, for the simple fact that at those energy levels, you are vaporizing material off the surface of a target, generated gasses and a cloud of microdebris. A constant beam would be clouded and reduced in effectiveness by this cloud of material, whereas a pulsed weapon allows time for "the smoke to clear", leaving a clean shot at a new area, or at the same crippled section. While there may be a point at which a phaser's energy is so high it doesn't seem to matter, some energy will still be lost in the cloud. This can prove far more problematic on volatile materials, those which offgass readily under standard conditions. As such, blowing up an asteroid would probably be done more effectively with a barrage of pulsed fire, rather than a constant beam trying to bore through the material.
Last time I was this early Star Fleet uniforms still included short skirts.
Don't change, Rik!
I’d like to hear a comparison of phasers vs disruptors sometime.
Ah one of my Fav weapons and always on my ships but only the most advanced ones
Didnt LaForge use a pulsing system to drastically increase the tractor beam power in an episode of TNG. I think they found that pulsing let them pump much more power into it without overheating the emitters as opposed to a continuous beam.
I read a fanfic about this specifically once. LaForge and Data were trying to remodulate the tractor beam to make stuff vibrate like a speaker horn, effectively allowing the ship to broadcast audio over a massive area.
It didn't work, but they noticed the coils got less hot
After a time skip, presumably in which that episode happened, they published a paper on the phenomenon, which went on to inspire the pulse cannon prototype.
The romulan time travel espionage kinda took the focus of the story, but I like the details of the characters messing with tech even when it's not plot relevant
@@lucky-segfault4219 neat, do you remember the name or author of the fanfic?
Geordi's visor technology uses pulse waves and that's what inspired him to modify the tractor beam into pulses , to save a planet of genetically engineered people who would have aborted him because of his birth defect
@@NitpickingNerd oh yes now i remember that full episode 😊.
@@Colin_ unfortunately i dont remember. There really needs to be a browser plug in or whatever that tracks every fic you read more than a few paragraphs of. Browser history is too much of a pain to scroll through when it's 90% meh
And here we are again installing STO for the umpteenth time.
STO love cannons
Were the Borg able to adapt to pulse phaser cannons the way they were to the more common sustained-beam types of phaser?
That Pun blow me away
Just spit balling a though on how the Pulse Phaser Cannons could be better at over coming an enemy ships shields then the Phaser Beam. The energy beams fired from a standard Phaser Array would likely be a consistent amount of force that would be applied during each short or long use against the enemy ships shields. The enemy ship's shields probably would direct additional energy support, which their main computer would initiate automatically, to counter that energy impact. Still a strong, precise and effective weapon with unmatched firing coverage for a federation ship. Pulse Phaser Cannon's could fire sustained bursts which would strike multiple locations to the enemy ships shields, possible over whelming the shields and sneaking direct impacts more often before the shields are knocked down. This incidentally could cause the ship to burn shield reserves faster as they attempt to transfer energy and to be sure they would be giving the crew inside the roughest ride imaginable. This is just a narrative I've thought of and I make several assumptions to make it with no real knowledge of the weapons and shield cannon.
Something I've always thought about the phaser cannon, Is that the Defiant was designed to fight the Borg, And one technique the Enterprise developed with it's phaser arrays is to alter the frequency of the beam randomly to hinder the borg's efforts to adapt to it, It's always seemed that the Defiant's phaser cannon's would be purfect for this technique, With each pulse being different in frequency to the rest on a random basis, And able to be shifted in frequency modulation far more rapidly than a continuous phaser beam.., So that it wouldn't just be a case of it being used to batter shields, But also to foil the Borg's adaptive abilitys.. 🤔
Can you all do a break down of the Dreadnaught class?
What are pulse phaser cannons?
Bad ass.
'nuff said
Can you make a video on Star Trek Scary Theories please.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
This is really important for galactic defense, thanks Rick, but I don't know why STO won't allow for B'Rel / Defiant or Sao Paulo split on a carrier battle cruiser...
i always wondered - if one part of the Pulse Phaser technology
allowed the ability to give every single Energy Pulse / shot a Random Energy signature setting.
They never mentioned that in the show,
but as a ship that was designed against the borg
(who used shield modulation) it would make sense
Phaser Cannons when you want to turn another spaceship and it's crew into chunky marinara
I want to know more about Enterprise Era weapons and armor. Whenever EE shows up it tends to be discussed as "EE was weak, everything was underpowered. Moving on." Makes it kind of hard to get information on TH-cam.
Sorry about the rant. Just a little frustrated. Thank you for your superb video on PPCs.
I watched some random Star Trek Shipyards video like two months ago and ever since the algorithm fills the suggestions with this kind of content. Like, an amazing amount, but I never click on it because not really interested in the minutiae of Star Trek cannon. But you know, I got to know how pulse phasers work. But don't go thinking I'm like hooked on this crap. This is the only one I'm clicking. I'm gonna clear my history after this.
You forgot to say "b-baka!" at the end. 😉
It’s a shame Janeway didn’t have these. Think of all the extra warcrimes she could have committed!
In the name of peace of course 😁
Mr. Tuvok I need more dakka!
I also assume they would be able to be modulated during the bursts so that it can cut through borg shields
Yes and each pulse was different
They are called "Plasma phasers" and I believe are separate from the pulse effect from earlier phaser weapons used in the 23rd century.
Great video about phaser cannons though I have one thing to ask where do you get the idea of that phaser cannons are close range I’m not aware of any canon examples since they always seem to fire at similar ranges that other phasers do.
Just look at the travel time of the shots. Phasers hit almost instantly whereas pulse phasers have a much slower travel time. At long range the target could probably dodge out of the way.
@@RavienGaming they look to travel at similar speeds to me. You can still see the front of a Phaser beam travel.
The minigun of Star Trek. 👍
STO does have actual miniguns though, fun to use because of all the damage they deal.
Where is that image from of the phase cannon schematic? Ive been lookng everywhere for something similar and this is the only time ive ever come across it.
Calibrations you say?
Weird questions was there ever a ship with two energy sections one for the warp engine s and one for the weapons and shields?
I run dual cannons and dual heavy cannons on all my escorts in Star Trek Online.
Please can you make a video about the TARDIS from Doctor Who thank you and have a wonderful and blessed day
I'm trying to figure out what shuttles would fit inside of an x01 starship that are from the twenty-third century if any
Aggressive negotiation
Wrong sci-fi franchise. 😀
How about a video discussing cannon cannons vs non cannon cannons vs cannon non cannons vs non cannon non cannons
Is this canon?
The canon cannons canonically shoot other cannons.
"What?"
" *Federation Standard, double dumbass! Do you speak it?!* "
Tho they aren’t I feel like a phaser strip would be the phaser emitter on a track like a subway train the whole track emitted power which then powers the emitter that runs along that track
So, what was the weapon the future Enterprise used in "All good things"? It kinda reminded me of the pulse phaser cannons, but also a photon torpedo.
That is a phaser lance
Still my favorite phaser type and ship design. I would like a video on the Isokenetic canon please. I would use the Defiant's phaser type with its warpcore enhancements and turret mount them on a ship spread across its body like the guns on the BSG. I would power it with 3 Runabout sized warpcores running in harmony or to get real extreme each turret is individually powered by their own Runabout sized warpcore running at 30% standard output giving a lot of head room for power output at the cost of fuel consumption.
Speaking of Garaus, who wiuld win, Normandie sr2 or the defiant
Thats something I would happily watch
Lots of jokes, but before I watch this, I'll throw in my opinion and see if it matches up.
Pulse phasers are like Federation disruptors. Instead of firing a solid beam of energy, they release a massive punch all at once. Not good for precision, but great for combat.
Edit: Yep, I was close enough 😀
We can hear you grinning in the intro
*set phasers to Maximum Discomfort*
Tough little ship ..
Funny how the defiant looks slightly different in each shot
Heehehe Defiant's phasers go BRRRRRTT