How STRONG Are The NEW DLC Pokemon In The Indigo Disc?
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Today we discuss the strength of the new pokemon found in the indigo disc dlc!
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They made rock type Urshifu and gave it a 100% accuracy rock type move I can’t believe my eyes
I know i wish they gave that move to both urshifus instead. My boy needs a buff
Imagine if they gave it to Terrakion alongside with Sharpness
Urshifu if it was actually fair and balanced
But they gave it a shit typing. Good thing tera exists
Fr, anything that hits thru protect should have some kind of trade off and yet here we are 😂
please take note that Multiscale doesn’t work against multi-hits and Tera Shell does
In other words, if Lugia ever comes back, it'll always be second fiddle because its special ability is worse than Terapagos (exaggeration but you get the idea)
@@GyroCannon in terms of the ability alone, yes. However, lugia has a better overall defensive typing and better defensive options in its movepool. Additionally, terapagos is usually going to want to use its stellar tera, which changes out its ability anyways
@@GyroCannonnah lugia has way better stats than that form of Terapagos that only has 600 BST
And then you Terastalize Terapagos. *THAT'S A LOTTA HEALTH.*
You mentioned how you didnt think Terapagos removing Terrain was relevant, but you forgot to mention that in restricted formats this also clear Miraidon's Electric Terrain
Fickle Beam is *the* "fuck it we ball" move and I love it
REAL
Virgin meta core player vs chad button presser
I love its design and concept WAY more than I ever thought I would
Not just that, you wanna rock mons with their signature moves over generic super nuke attacks. That's generally how I like to play. But then again I don't do competitive.
I personally see hydrapple being a pretty good niche pick for trick room teams
I very much wanna try that
It'll be a riot, I'm sure
Another advantage Tera Shell has over Multiscale is that every hit of a multihit move will be resisted. I found great success using it with Sinistcha to keep Tera Shell intact and spamming Calm Mind; almost nothing could take it out (we don't talk about Superpower Enamorous)
Contrary is so broken 😭
Gouging fire gets Heat crash which is 100-120 damage against most of the pokemon in the format and doesnt have recoil. He gets scale shot too, and dragon dance... That pokemon was given everything it could want. Cant wait to cook with him
9:05 fun fact, this is the first rock/psychic type to be added to the game since gen 3!
I personally think that Raging bolt is going to be decent in VGC, but the dragon type may hold it back with fluttermane existing.
That's probably true with 2 of the paradox beasts, and Gouging fire is just urshifu/ogrepon happy meals
I think it is not just good, but meta defining
@ITurtle9.02 how? Only rock pon can seriously hurt GF.
Urshifu only threatens crits but nothing super effective.
Raging Bolt on one hand gets hard countered by Farigiraf and Flutter makes issues for it
On the other hand, I can see it get some use in trick room and can use tera fire or steel if necesarry
@@YoJoRockThaBeatto answer, with the exception of Waterpon, all ogerpons resists RV's main stab (being Thunderclap and Raising Voltage), so its not exactly difficult to brute force it, specially with Play Rough
I really like what they have done with Hydrapple, and honestly I hope they come around to give Appletun and Flapple an evolution too.
So do I. I hope this isn't the last DLC for SV
@@_Koyomi_ I mean it probably is at a level major content. But we have future generations to introduce them. I'm not sure if these -hypotetical- evolutions could be competitively viable if they were introduced, but I think at least they could bump the stats both the other two evolutions are supposed to be good at. And also change their Gluttony for another ability.
My biggest problem is that Hydrapple feels more like the "Hidden Pseudo Legendary" than Archaludon, I really think Hydrapple is the one that should have gotten the 600 BST treatment (whilst Archaludon has like 560 or something).
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Tera Shell on Terapagos does mean Fighting moves go from x2 to x0.5 rather than x2 to x1, so it’s better so long as you aren’t running weakness policy and the opponent doesn’t have Tinted Lens.
It also makes all hits in multi hits be resists rather than just the first one being halved
It does have the advantage of helping multi hit moves too, but it doesn't add any damage mitigation against hits that you already resist. Like if you switch into a strong resisted hit, multi scale is better
I wanna say that Terapago's tera shell ability is a much better multiscale, you're underselling it
Lunala's and Dragonite's abilities are great and all, but getting hit by that dark type or ice type move respectively is still going to leave them hurting bad unless they predict with tera and resist the hit.
Terapagos doesn't have that mind game to play, it just flat out resists the move everytime. The only time it isn't straight up better than multiscale is if the multiscale pokemon takes a resisted hit. Anything super or normal effective is gonna hurt more than it would Terapagos, and those situations are much more likely than the resisted hits.
Terapagos also just doesn’t resist anything anyway because normal type so that’s not really a factor.
Imagine winning a tournament due to something like a Fickle Beam proc also critting at the same time.
I feel regenerator will be use way more since Supersweet syrup is so bad which is unfortunate.
I literally don’t know why they made it activate only once per game. Switches aren’t that common in VGC so it wouldn’t be a broken ability by any means. It’s also weird because Ogerpon’s embody aspect activates every time it switches in
Yeah, they were making everything only once like that, with Zacian and Zamazenta, etc. Then they reversed themselves with Ogerpon. It's very strange.
Supersweet Syrup isn’t bad, what do you mean? Reducing opponent evasion is absolutely insane considering how many good moves have less than 100 accuracy. Bleakwind Storm, Stone Edge, every sleep move except for Spore, Rock Slide, feel free to add more. If Supersweet Syrup activated every time Hydrapple switched in, it’d be absolutely busted
@@ArcherR135 I feel like saying that you would also have to apply to intimidate because it does almost the exact same thing, except attack. It was OK to intimidate cycle, but they crossed the line at evasion? I’m not saying that intimidate should be a one time thing as well btw.
@@SoggyWafflesXp Yeah, that's the point. Intimidate is good because it works every time the user switches in, and there's no discussion on if Intimidate is a good ability. If Supersweet Syrup worked every time Hydrapple switched in, there'd be no discussion on if it was a good ability
I love how you're talking about temper flare. I run Stomping Tantrum on my AV Metagross. They fake me out so often and then their Incin pays the price
If your metagross is faked out that often maybe you might want to consider covert cloak. Unless you have a specific item for your metagross and don't care that you can't attack for one turn
I think hydrapple could also be a good electric type to be hit neutrally by everything, especially when being a grass type which resists ground and ofc super effective against ground
The threat of Gouging fire's signature move can facilitate safe switches, letting you get in Pokemon frail on the physical side, because nobody is going to want to risk getting their physical sweeper burnt, so no physical Mon is going to target Gouging fire if you don't protect the previous turn
I can’t wait to see competitive play now
i like to think of fickle beam as a dragon pulse with a fissure taped on. Its a consistent damage dealing move (if a bit weak) that has a 30% to vaporize whatever it hits
Archaludon having Stalwart is also a big deal. Ignoring redirection is cool and I feel people are sleeping on how good that is. Plus you never miss the target you clicked before Ally Switch went off so no more dice rolls on that move. This thing is a monster that can hard stop redirection and that solos so many games when they can not pull your damage.
Poor Bloodmoon Ursaluna, bro is cool as heck and everyone forgot about him
Bad Special Defense and no decent recovery before getting knocked out.
If it had a special type of priority move that was stab then maybe things could be differently.....
It's too reliant on Trick Room to be good.
At least it was good in singles pre OU ban
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I’m pretty sure the reason they gave the baby form of terapagos stats was just incase neutralizing gas wheezing is on the field which would suck but probably won’t be very often
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I think they made baby Terapagos so you can meme him with Weezing and force your opponent to switch or use a baby mon.
Also Teraform Zero removes both of the Dons Terrain/Sun, so it is made as a direct check.
I don't think weezings ability affects terapagos
personally iv experience stomping tantrum working better on gouging fire over dragon claw because you hit things more often the only downside is your completely walled by latios, latias and flygon
Regardless of whether it ends up being meta, I think it's very funny that Gouging Fire just completely invalidates Ogerpon Fire. It got like one format of being everywhere and now it can't do anything ever again
18:15 So gauging fire gets morning sun for sustain could be a super tank with burning bulwark then could run d dance breaking swipe.
Or run him asault vest on a sun team with scale shot, earthquake tempered flare and then like iron head coverage.
Or a fun white herb scale shot with 2 flinching moves and either morning sun or burning bulwark on a sun team
In singles ubers (it was quick banned from ou), terapagos functions as a rock polish + calm mind win condition which uses tera shell to set up then terastalizes and runs over teams.
Weird use case question: does Tera Shell actually change your type to take the hit?
Because that could prevent a bunch of secondary effects, like no unlucky freeze on an ice beam. Easiest way to test would be versus a guaranteed status move to see what happens, but could absolutely be abused.
The best part of the DLC is how we finally have a decent Rock type move
Tera Shell: Turns the enemy attack on a not very effective move if your HP is full
Pokemon with Tinted Lens: Noice
your gouging fire set rly opened up my mind, lots of potential sets for that guy & has surprising incin counterplay
r/stunfisk subreddit: *can't shut up about Incineroar coming back to vgc*
Gamefreak cooking Temper Flare in same dlc:
i've learned that thunderclap doesn't go before priority moves, tried it against a chien-pao and i was hit first by ice shard
surprisingly
It works like sucker punch. If two sucker punches get thrown at each other the faster one works.
At some point Nintendo will forget and accidentally put Lele and Crown in the same meta. Scarf Lele and Booster Crown going for Expanding Forces together.
excited for Clear Ammy Boulder slicing up incineroars (post-tera)
I like that I remembered Syrup Bomb immediately as I researched the Applin lines a month or two ago for a friend who had a shiny Applin. Haven't played since Gen 4 lol
I am using a bulky raging bolt with assault vest and its surviving hits and dealing good damage. I am only low ladder (I am not good at the game). But it's living a lot of coverage earth moves and threatening kos.
Gouging Fire is so much bigger than I thought. 590kg means Heat Crash is maybe worth using.
Breaking news, punching glove Brian hands might do something
Hydrapple must win Worlds. ✊😔
Teraform Zero is 100% designed to counter Koraidon and Miraidon's abilities. Each of them set sun and electric terrain respectively, which not only boosts themselves but also their respective paradox Pokemon, so Stellar Terapagos is a great counter to any otherwise free Protosynthesis or Quark Drive shenanigans, letting you and your teammate take hits or out-speed threats at the cost of your Tera.
Tera Shell is way better than multiscale because you can still get one shot through multiscale. Like ice beam the dragonite it still does a lot, but a fighting move into terapagos is not very effective
Plus all multi hit moves are not very effective. It's a straight up upgrade
You gotta bring back the gang from the Dipplin battle video for Hydrapple 😂
The reason why they have terapagos baby forme is bc of stuff that neutralizes abilities like neutalizing gas from wheezing, etc.
Most form-changing abilities cannot be suppressed in any way, and Tera Shift follows that pattern, so Neutralizing Gas won't stop it from activating. As it is, I don't think there's any way to prevent Terapagos from transforming out of its normal form the moment it enters battle.
@@william_sun can you skill swap it?
@@anikinsgamer4597 I don't know, but you don't get the opportunity to do so regardless because its ability is replaced with Tera Shell after it changes forms.
burning bulwark make me wish spotlight was still in the game. You could force both opponenents to attack your partner and make them both burned.
You can potentially do the same with ally switch
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Don't forget Gouging fire learns scale shot
Porygon 2 The Second was not in my bingo cards for the DLC
Sableye and Gouging Fire together sounds interesting. Prankster Will-o-wisp + burning bulwark to wreak havoc on the physical attackers and be obnoxious.
They were too scared to unleash Spidops with a special Tera mask into the metagame
As mono Fire player, iron boulder really scares me
As a future paradox and psyspam enjoyer, iron crown and Iron Boulder just bring me joy😂
Also Raging Bolt. I still dont like its design, but it has the exact same statline I like in a mon, special attaker tank
Also it forms a cool double girrafe core with Farigiraf
i think its really funny that you can run stomping tantrum + temper flare. Probably doesnt have a use, but it is funny
Zacian users when they Behemoth Blade a Gouging Fire who used Bulwark:
IDK if this is true but ive heard that Stellar Terapagos gets the Stellar Tera boost forever, rather than once per type like other pokemon.
Only in Raids and a few Singer Player areas. Main use for that is Raids and the Singer Player thing might be wrong. Raids I know work.
@cartergamegeek This is for other Pokémon. Terapagos always gets the Stellar boost no matter what. But just like Mega Rayquaza/ Primals and Ultra Necrozma it's Gimmick and powerful form will only be temporarily in the meta.
I hope we get an apology to Bastiodon because he did in fact get Body Press 😆
24:11 maybe normal terapagos will be usable if neutralizing gas is active? Idk sounds like the most reasonable reason for him shifting form
The cursed knowledge that the turtle was a duck all this time really upsets me and i don't know how XDD
I seen ppl saying to run Gouging Flame like Mega Sableye and go for Booster Sp.Def and Dragon Dance and have it hold a Clear Amulet to counter intimidate
I’m surprised no one has called burning bulwark a fire type baneful bunker yet. Like bro how does it get compared to king’s shield before that
oh so it’s silk trap
(It’s more useful to compare to King’s Shield because Burn lowers attack, and nobody really cares about it’s damage.)
People compare it to kings shield because both dont block status moves, so you can taunt/encore/thunder wave ect even if you use kings shield or burning bulwark, whereas baneful bunker and all of the other protect clones do block status moves when used
@sumthinorother9615
I meant because bulwark and bunker both apply status conditions as opposed to king’s shield and silk trap which lower stat values and can be reset upon switch out which can’t be done for statuses. And technically burn lowers the bp of moves not the attack stat,
@floorgle
Oh that’s interesting, had no idea they didn’t block status moves lol, was just thinking about how bulwark and bunker apply status conditions. thanks for the info man!
terapagos seems like a mon that you’ll see on most teams cause it seems like a anti meta pick (from what I tested terapagos can survive tera fairy fluttermane, wellspring/hearthflame ivy cudgel and urshifu/hands cc)
edit: forgot to mention this was with a assault vest set
In my calcs I kinda prefer QD Sp.Atk on Iron Crown, since it's a win-con pokemon and you want it to end the game shortly after it hits the field. It's a little tricky to set both tailwind and psychic terrain, but it's doable once you eliminate the things that threaten those support pokemon
Would it be worth running heat crash on gouging fire. its a pretty heavy pokemon and no recoil is nice
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I think Terapagos will need a buff coming out of gen 9 (assuming Tera goes away). It deals so much less damage and is mono-normal, meaning it has no super effective STAB. 105 spatk does not help it enough (imo) even with "better multiscale", although it's bulk is quite nice, so just bump it 15 spatk points maximum.
With Tera, I can see it being a nuisance for our beloved weather wars, as well as helping stuff miraidon and rillaboom like you mentioned, but without Tera I think it'll be a bit if a nothingburger.
Finally, a fellow gouging fire enjoyer. Gamefreak should've made it's name goated fire instead.
Hydrapple, armourouge, indeedee, plus 3 other mons to fill in, and easy sweep team
You dont even need armarougue, hatterene gets expanding force now and is most of the time a much better psychic terrain abuser
@floorgle there are certain edge use cases - Hatterene doesn't get Wide Guard, for example, so if you need/want that move she can't provide, and Armarouge provides fire STAB.
But I do agree that the vast majority of the time she's better for pure Psyspam abuse.
The fact that Showdown now displays stats up to 120 as ORANGE is wild
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I'm not too sure i like them giving another pokemon moves that hit through protect.... That's a road i don't want traveled too much further
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I prefer this to urshifu still since it’s only one move and not all of them.
stupid idea: have blissey skill swap serene grace for regenerator on hydrapple. 60% chance for 160 bp fickle beam and blissey can heal once as it switches out, maybe into an indimidate pokemon or something
I wish we could get multiples of the paradoxes. Since I only have one of each of the beasts, I have no way to collect the swords cuz there's no way someone would trade them for anything other than their counterparts.
I was trying to make Decorate Smeargle work with Metagross but that Howl GF set might be better...
I love Gouging Fire. It's one of those designs that looks WAY better in-game than in the official render, and I LOVE the versatility. I respect the support build, but mine is all bulk with a focus on sun sweeping.
Also, he gets morning sun which heals 2/3s in the sun, so in sunlight he becomes a walking win condition. Resisted Flare Blitz does more damage than most of his coverage options do. except for certain cases with stone edge, but like. Stone edge accuracy is a hard sell
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I was vibing when you got to iron crown. Need that track when i battle
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Archaludon exceeded every expectation I had for it. Easy favorite
Fickle Beam has an average of 104 BP.
I appreciate them looking back at Zacian, but it was just Zacian that was broken with the attack increase on switch. I feel like everything else could have stayed/been on switch rather than once per battle, especially the Terapagos being the not all that powerful off its stats and lacking good recovery.
Terastal Terapagos' ability may be technically worse than Multiscale cause of Tinted Lens?
Maybe I just stink, but I tried out iron boulder... and it felt pretty weak. To be fair, I did try it with clear amulet and not booster energy, and it just didn't hit hard enough without a boost to be all that good since it only took 2-ish hits most of the time before going down
I’ve been messing with a sun team with raging bolt and iron boulder, and rb can live more hits than it ever should.
I realized pecharunt was released also, and no one cared😭 They weren’t even in discussion in any videos. I didn’t even know existed until I used it on random battles on showdown
Welp, time to go shiny hunt for jumbo shiny Applins, I need to get me a jumbo shiny Hydrapple because *holy crap* that thing is cool!
Paradox Entei being shiny-locked is just sad, it’s got such a gorgeous shiny…
I think all of them can at least cook. No awful picks
I'm just kinda confused, what do you mean by "the bump" on the stats, like when you were finding Archaludon's spatk.
The way IVs work at level 50, there'll be a set number where the IVs and EVs interact to give you 2 points in an ability instead of a single once, jumping from (iirc) 196 straight to 198 in a stat with only 4 EV investment.
Tera Shell is better than multiscale because every hit of multi hit moves will be cut in half.
Anyone else find it a bit weird that Raging Bolt is the only Pokemon to get Rising Voltage?
Not the tera storm when your enemy tera, your tera storm is super efective against them?
They’re all quite good
Can you rank each of the 2 Paradox Trio pokemon?
Recover is also good on hydrapple.
Does Tera Starstorm hit terastallized Mons for super effective damage while in Stellar form?
Also, while Terapagos is kinda cool it will get nerfed extremely with the next generation's games to the point that I wonder if it will get tournament legal by then.
Unlike Zacian and Zamazenta not only it's signature move loses its effect but it will have to stay in Tera form.
Ah yes Gouging fire, Walking wake and Great N E C K.
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I can’t guarantee this, but I think the stellar type is a permanent boost on terapagos instead of a once per type, again hard to test since I don’t do competitive and most things are one or two shot by it using something like ice beam
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I wish they stop buffing rain and sun team. And add more mon for sand 😂🎉
Sand? Hah.
I want more terrain users, and a reason to actually use non-Psychic or Grassy terrain. Poor Misty/Electric terrain, man.
It's important to note that Tera Starstorm has a stab of 1.2 instead of 1.5. Its a 96BP equivalent, so strong, but not as strong as its 120BP suggests. However coverage* moves also get 1.2x boost which is huge