Mina Gallery Intake Dyno Tested - Jaguar XFR - does it make any difference or just look pretty?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Disclaimer
This video and the test performed are for our own reference, we were not sponsored in any way to perform these tests, we were just searching for what is best for our cars.
The dyno results are from a direct replacement of the 2 intakes on the same map. The map adjusts to the air flow detected by the MAF sensor.
So we believe that the results are true, but are willing to hear/see test data that either supports or contradicts our personal findings.
Thank you to my Wife Helen for helping me video these for us all. Go check out her channel
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It's a supercharged car so naturally the heat is extremely hard to deal with stationary on dynos. Add that to the fact they ran two runs back to back with the hood closed on their intake. Then waited an hour and ran the factory OEM intake with the hood open to compare... Not a fair comparison.
Great watch and its fabulous when the "do" or "do nots" are so obvious. Good stuff as always.
I was getting ready to install this system on my XF. Thank you for the review. Saved me some money
😳 Woooooooow ok ..I didn't expect this and to think I was going to do a whole intake change over ..it's a good thing I didn't do this to my Jag .. thanks for posting this video bro this was very informational ... 😲 Wow .. my feelings is hurt 🤕 lol 🤣🤣
PS. BEAUTIFUL JAGS
BY THA WAY 🚘🚘
I didn’t expect it either buddy, I had a Mina gallery intake lined up to buy, I really wanted one, but I’m so glad I waited till after this test was finished. It still blows my mind 🤯
I’m glad you saw this video before you bought your “upgrade” let’s spend it somewhere else I think.
@@69racer69 indeed indeed thanks to you much is appreciated and yes I will spend somewhere else lol 😆 like trying to figure out how can I wide body tha back of my Jag yep 😆
Great video and very timely. I love seeing this type of honest back to back testing where there is not a profit motive to worry about. I was strongly considering buying that intake to what I thought complement the lower pulley and tune I am getting from Eurotoys. I was shocked at the results as I have owned three different supercharged vehicles and usually a smoother free flowing intake either helped or at least didn’t,t hurt performance like this one did. While we don’t have the benefit of validating the other comment from a viewer that they had similar results after removing theirs it shows that this wasn’t some one off freak result. It’s hard to imaging under what circumstance the manufacturer could have come up with the results that they claim. While I have always taken manufacturers claims with a bit of skepticism a 35-40 hp difference between claimed gains and reality is mind blowing. Keep up the good work. New subscriber here for sure. I look forward to check out the rest of your videos.
Thanks for saving my time, you literally saved me a couple hundred bucks. You should let some viewers donate towards your page I personally would donate for the content that just saved me hundreds
Thank you Jameson, it’s a shocking result isn’t it? It saved me the same amount of money as I was about to buy one myself but thankfully left it till after this test was completed.
I’m doing these videos to help the Jag community, not needing any personal gain from it. But thank you for your idea. Your comment and thank you is more than enough payment for me 😁
Have you seen the cone V panel filter video?
I wish I would have seen this video before placing my order with mina gallery lol now I'm off to watch your video on cones vs filter
Another great video and information achieved from the Dyno run,just goes to show that sometimes no matter how good something looks it doesn’t perform good.Hope to own an XFR or even the XF RS one day,but will have to make do with my 330bhp XF-S for a while yet,keep up the good work and videos coming.
1:50 nice picture !! 💪
I was about to change it for a custom intake then i saw you video ! Always great content about our XFR and cars in general ! Thank you so much ! Don't stop making such great content about the XF-R ! Hello from France !
The you for the kind words, I’m glad you saw this video before changing your intake. It’s great to know this is useful in France too 😁👍🏻
I must say... What a fantastic video... Just what we XFR owners need. Your videos are so relevant and so to the point ... Please don't stop ... This is absolutely fantastic!!! Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate the feedback. I will continue and keep trying these things so we all have the real information available to us.
@@69racer69 since I have seeing all your videos. I'd like to know about how your fuel economy has been after the ECU tune. Im asking this because I intend to use the car for long drives. Keeping in mind that the weather in India especially in the rural areas can peak towards 45degrees celcius. Keeping practicality in mind could you advise if the car can keep up with these temperatures and about the economy after a tuneup.
@@69racer69 I'm confused I thought a bigger tube would allow more air
@@adventurousx8220 I believe it’s more about air velocity, the larger tube doesn’t give it more capacity because the stock has 2 smaller tubes that make up the same size of the throttle body intake, the mona has 2 the same size that meet in the middle where they suddenly half in size, so this slows the air flow down. It’s wasted space, not needed at all.
Great video!
Thank you! I think I'll stick with the factory intake. Yup.
Great video. I have the mina Y pipe with the golden wrap running Viezu map for upper and lower pulley for nearly 3 years on a 2010 XFR (owned since October 2009). You made me curious to do a dyno run with and without the Y pipe. Although I so an improvement in 100-200 in same whether conditions. OEM Y pipe 7.8 Mina Y pipe 7.6 ( more than half a tank) and in cool condition 7.5 (full tank). Will keep you posted with the results.
Great info, please keep me posted with the results.
Did a dyno run today and following are the results ;
Dyno Jet @ 31c ambient temperature
Mina Y pipe (average of 3 runs)
Torque average 560wibf
Horsepower average 551 whp
OEM Y pipe (average of 3 runs)
Torque average 557wibf
Horsepower average 568 whp
OEM 17 wheel horsepower gain on STD reading
OEM 3 pound force feet drop on STD reading
Returned the XFR back for storage with OEM Y Pipe. 🤦♂️ running mina gallery for 3 years.
Thank you for this video.
@@khalidas9118 thank you for trying it and confirming our findings as well. It’s such a shame, they do look very good.
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.
You did a actual test rather than letting a car heat soak fair test
What about taking plastic engine cover off
Nice one babe, really liked doing this one with you xxxxxxxxxxxx
Very informative , cheers dude. Think I’ll be going there for a tune on me xfr soon. ⛄️
The results are insane!
great video shane really worth watching.if i end up with an xfr i would have to put cone filters on it to release the supercharger whine,i would probably make some custom heat shields for them.
would be good to see a video from you explaining the common faults of the xfr from timing chain guides to e-diff's. it would really help future buyers :)
oh and you deffo need club 600 stickers for you car
Hi Matt, thanks for the comments and guidance. I will look into what videos can be done as a buyers guide. I haven’t had much trouble with either of my XFR’s, but I’ll have a think.
I’m working on ways to unleash the charger noise without restricting power. May do a test with cones to see the effects on performance and noise. Would help weigh up the option until I figure out another way.
Oh and yes 600+ stickers may have to come lol. Got 2 more guys travelling for their tunes on Saturday. Will see what they achieve
@@69racer69 perhaps cone filters in the OE airboxes would work
@@bigmatt2896 maybe, will see what the heat difference makes on the dyno.
Thanks for the video you save my money 👍💪💪
Thanks for the Great video Guys, I have an S Type R and you saved me some hard earned moola, just by the sound of the engine on the second run witch I thought the stock sounded beefier and at that time thought it was just my ears however I was very surprised when you said the stock gave better results in in BHP and Torque. Cheers From Florida. An after thought. The only other test I would have liked to seen was twin cold air intakes with the larger Air filter enclosed at the ends to see if that made any difference in BHP sometimes with bolt on performance parts you have to do a lot of additional work such as exhaust to make it all work together just a thought?.
You’re welcome dude, it saved me money too.
Hi Mate I'm originally from Cheadle Hulme in Cheshire still flying the flag here in Florida with the S Type R lol @@69racer69
@@romanoguttadauro6116 I did wonder when you used the word “moola” lol
Hope you’re enjoying Florida life.
Hi Shane, just watched your video in lowering springs and poly bushes. On my 2003 STR three out of four of my shocks are done replacement even on the cheap side using Billies is still around $350.00 per strut plus fitting I'm looking at coil overs and poly bushes as the coil overs can be had for as little as $900 for the set and upgrade and saving of about $500 before fitting I recued the STR from California she's a rust free example two owners from new and she has lowish miles 103K but all the standard routine service stuff has been neglected for about ten years so starting from the ground up as they say. Thanks for the great videos mate its an inspiration. @@69racer69
Your test was quite through and proved without a doubt. It would be great if you did a test replacing the air box with cones. Great job guys. Its a shame because the chrome looked nice. Don't you just hate that.
I hated the fact it lost power, I had one in my shopping basket waiting to buy it.
Look at my other videos, there is an air filter and cone test too
Nice video! I was considering one of these, shan't be getting one now! What mods did this fella have besides pulley, and map to achieve 600bhp plz?
Just spires back boxes. New standard air filters, oil change. That’s it, Viezu are the kings for the Jaguar XFR tuning.
😂 love your screen name 😂👍🏻
@@69racer69 i wonder if he is related to mrs pip-stroker :)
@@bigmatt2896 lol
Hi there, I've just come across your videos and watched majority of them in just a day! I wanted to ask how is 600hp treating you, any wear parts, how is the transmission holding up, did you happen to get a tune on it? Would love to know more. Thanks!
Big fan from Canada!
Hi Canada 🇨🇦 I love Canada so much, spent a lot of time there in Burlington.
600hp was amazing, no faults at all, transmission is more than capable of the power. I’ve just had a bottom pulley fitted this week and I’m now on 627bhp with 900nm or torque. And it’s even more insane. Definitely worth do at least one of the pulleys. Feels so much better than stock it’s unbelievable.
Oh, no tune on the Box yet. HP tuners want a business case before they go to work on cracking the code to allow Viezu to tune the boxes. So unfortunately it’s not looking likely at the moment.
@@69racer69 thanks for getting back so quickly, cool to know you spent some time in Canada! Can't wait to see more videos coming, nice to see someone pay attention to these long lost gems
hmmm a nice carbon one would look great and hopefully help reduce thermal transfer
I’m not convinced it’s only thermal transfer, there is something else that doesn’t seem right, would have to do lots of testing to figure it out for sure.
But yeah, a carbon fibre one would look awesome!!!
What does the intake temp change too when you have the cones on it aswell like your supposed to?
Because they are in the engine bay where all the heat coming off the engine is instead of being sealed in a box with the cold air feed.
If you can isolate the cones away from engine bay air then you won’t get the problem from the cones. But the intake itself is also getting hot as the metal is transferring the engine bay heat to the air inside it.
Thanks . I'm going to take my mina off 😤
It's appears you had a tune installed for the stock intake,but I didn't see a map load for the aftermarket intake.Any supercharger will benefit form more flow this test is somewhat flawed
The map adjusts to the air flow using the MAF sensors, the test isn’t flawed as it has been done the other way around by an independent person on their car in the USA and had a similar outcome.
Plus there is no additional air flow as the standard intake combined has the same surface area of the throttle body, so making it even larger on the intake doesn’t actually give you more air flow.
Great TH-cam video buddy, did you decide to sell the intake?
Luke sold his intake and bought a new standard intake from British Parts.com
@@69racer69 No probs buddy 👍 👌
Sorry to ask on a older video of yours, when you installed the intake did you use cold air filters or leave the boxes it has in ?
That’s ok, the only difference in these tests was the intake. The air filters and boxes stayed the same with the cold air feed still in place. So the difference is only due to the intake swap.
intresting to see
Not all aftermarket tuning parts work as you have proved here, always be very wary unless it has been thoroughly tested and proved, you won't always better Jaguars engineers.
Thanks for the info I was about to waste my money
I had one in my shopping basket that day to buy, I wanted one for ages until that test.
Hello I also installed the Mina Gallery Intake on my Jaguar. Which setting is made on the Jaguar for the Dyno test? I always have to use a 4X4 dyno because a normal dyno doesn't work.
I don’t know the setting because I don’t work at Viezu, they do the mapping and dyno. They don’t have the front wheels moving as it’s only a rear wheel drive car, but there are error messages that come up due to the front wheels not spinning. You just need to disconnect the battery for 5 mins after it is al finished and it will reset the faults.
@@69racer69 I get wrong performance results if we don't test on 4X4. There must be a trick to test it on two wheels.
@@struppi0815 sorry I don’t know.
I take it your Jaguar is only 2WD?
@@69racer69 Yes 2WD Model 2009 XFR
@@struppi0815 I don’t see why you get the wrong figures from the dyno, it should do have anything to do with the car setting. A little confused about this one.
I want the XFR sooooooo Bad. I have the Minagallery intake on my STR
Xfr is too cookie cutter and generic shit interior compared to s type r. I would love to fit the xfr 5.0 supercharged in the s type r 620hp when tuned monster
I agree with John, if you change the badge on the XFR it could be any other brand, specially the post facelift. The STR has the pedigree of the Jag MK2, but a STR with the XFR engine and gearbox... omg! 😅 Good channel JagSTR Guy! 👍
Does anyone make that for 2015 range rover?
So you want to detune your Range Rover?
I haven’t seen one sorry no.
No want I want is that tube that comes off the throttle body and goes to each air box. I want to get rid od the plastic tube.
@@skippywaters9363 that tube actually loses power, looks nice but looses power.
Ok thanks for that I just purchased a v switch programmer and love it just looking for something else that will make power without tearing up the motor. Any suggestions?
@@skippywaters9363 the upper supercharger puller can be changed for a smaller pulley. And if you want even more, then the lower crank pulley ( with a new sized belt) watch my other videos. But please watch the testing at the end, I clearly say in this video that the pipe looks nice but it looses power, it’s an important detail if you’re looking for more power 👍🏻
The stock plastic pipe and stock filter boxes are the best for power so far.
What air filter do you recommend for factory?
I have another video testing cones and panel filters, go check it out. I use a K&N personally.
Let’s do 60-130 test
Why would you want to do that, it has less power so it will be slower.
Prove it with road test 60-130 time not in hot garage & dyno with close & open hood 🤦🏻♂️
Prove it with road test 60-130 time not in hot garage & dyno with close & open hood 🤦🏻♂️
Prove it with road test 60-130 time not in hot garage & dyno with close & open hood 🤦🏻♂️
Prove it with road test 60-130 time not in hot garage & dyno with close & open hood 🤦🏻♂️
Was this the whole kit? If so who would put that polished intake on without piping for cold air and cone filters? All of this was just a waist of time. Probably got stock air filters too lol amateur hour. And I guess since there is no actual cone filters for this vehicle aftermarket you are stuck trying to Frankenstein some shit together. Forget that American junk. Just get a GTR.
Go look at my other video where we test cones and panels. We were testing the difference between components, it’s not a mature hour buddy. From
A comparison between these two components, Results are results.🤷🏼♂️
th-cam.com/video/UEOlRmQlmvA/w-d-xo.html
Not to mention the GTRs one of the ugliest cars ever and one of the worst selling cars ever
Fantastic results 👏👏👏, who would have guessed that stock intake is better, much better. Thank you for investigating this 🤝😎!!!
Thats brilliant, just goes to show, not all claimed by companies is true. Trade descriptions comes to mind. No wonder people end up breaking stuff with this kind of advertising. At the end of the day, Jaguar designers have been doing this a lot longer than most.............just my two-penneth
Absolutely, Jaguar know their stuff, they also design things with a compromise, but finding what can be improved on and what can’t isn’t an easy thing. The inlet designed by Jag is so intricate with the additional resonator tubes etc, it wasn’t made to be cheap, it must have been designed like that for a reason. All we known is, it works better that the Mina intake.
Well that answered my question was just about to buy one today. Perfect videos man don’t stop
Was shocking, I really wanted one but held out till we did this test first.
I was debating would it actually give more power. So I decided not to get it, but to get the K&N filter on it and remove the box and keep the OEM intake instead. After seeing this video, it looks like I made the right choice lol. Great vid!
I purchased intake from mina... Chris sent me coated one. After i finish my car i will try to figure our how can i get cold air :) i already install main pulley , exhaust and intake from mina. My friend remapped. I am waiting new injectors... we replaced the timing chain. I put new bosch coils, ngk ilkar7 series spark plugs etc...i like the jag, i like the SC...
What’s it coated with? You definitely need the cold air if you want to maximise performance. If it’s sound you’re after I wouldn’t worry. All depends what you want.
@@69racer69 they coated with thermal coating. we change timing chain. Also I replaced all spark plugs , coils , injectors and etc... We remapped when car was stock . Right now I have lower pulley, exhaust and intake from mina gallery. After I update remap, i want to see Dyno result. Also I will figure out how can the car get more cold air with or whiteout mina intake :) thank you for your videos. Really helpful
Just bought one. 5.0 NA. Better then replacement plastic that breaks
Hi my name is Martin I met you yesterday I'm 100% behind you with Remapping of 6 speed gearbox
Hi buddy, was great meeting you and part of your family yesterday, love your XJR by the way.
I saw they were struggling to map your ECU, did they do it in the end?
More development to go on the box.
Racer 69 I have a land rover range rover sport and wanted to do intake and pulley upgrades. I have some stuff picked out and would like your expertise
Where are you based? The pulley upgrades are a definite winner, it’s amazing how much extra power and torque you get. The intake may not need to change, if you have a double intake like the XFR, it’s more than capable.
@@69racer69 Understood. Have you any other modifications I should consider?
@@IdiotSevant engine wise that’s all you really need. Any more then it start to get very expensive.
You could go for sports cats to help the flow, they will help.
Ok. Thanks for the video but you have some conflicting video evidence here. First of all dyno runs are always made with the hood up and the fan running to simulate normal driving conditions where the air is flowing through the engine compartment. Your first dyno testing the intake showed the hood closed. It should of been open. No wonder temperatures were higher. Also was the car cooled down or was it hot? I also noticed at the end, for the comparison run, you had the hood open with the stock intake back on. The temperatures will be way different with the hood up. Also was the car cooled down for the final run with the hood up? If so that will make a dramatic difference on supercharged cars and any dyno run for that matter. It doesn’t seem you have given the Mina intake a chance at all with the hood closed and tested on a hot engine. Of course the stock numbers at the end will be better. The environments were completely different. Anyone can see the Mina intake is a way better design and better flowing than the OEM with all those ridges. I do think the metal tube would benefit from some kind of heat wrap or insulation coating on it.
This. Gotta be apples to apples in every way. Heat soak a boosted engine's intake and this is what you get.
I'd guess the mina intake flows better but the intake isn't that restricted for the stock hp, so intake temps dominate the power results.
The correct take away from this video is that you should thermally wrap your entire intake mina or stock if you want to keep your power up from one stop light to the next.
If you really want to hear the supercharger and keep the intake as cool as possible, remove the plastic engine cover and cut through the engine sound insulation and water dam at the back of the hood to let sound come towards the passengers and air flow over the top of the engine and supercharger and out the top. It sounds great and will make your engine bay, and intake cooler.
Great video and thanks for sharing. I drive a V6 F Pace and running lower pulley and tune. I was thinking what next and searching about this intake tube kit. I am glad I fond this video. Though folks in jag forum mentioned it didn't add any hp but some SC whine, I am shocked to see it reduced hp!
I was shocked too.
I think if you tuned for the intake you would see a difference
@@waltscrossfiresrt6 How exactly would you do that?
@@kleetus92 a tuner would adjust for the increase in tubing diameter and flow
@@waltscrossfiresrt6 I get that, but that makes about as much sense as tuning for a new or clogged air cleaner... I have never seen a performance application become upset that it had MORE air... After all that is totally the purpose of the MAF, to determine the A/F mixture based on flow. Being that he has it tuned already, this literally makes no sense.
We get this when putting cars onto low loaders or tracking vehicles or troughs for filming. The car thinks it’s skidding because the fronts a still and the backs are rolling. It gets confused and put lots of lights on. I have seen it where the abs keeps kicking in and the back brakes light up. Lots of smoke and people panic. 😂😂
Your comment on this video makes zero sense. What you are saying has NOTHING to do with the contents of this video.
would love to set the data with the upper pipes and adding the lower intakes
That would be even worse with the cones
You have to wrap the intake tubes to keep the heat off the metal… without the wrap your intake temp will be higher. If you wrap the tubes and re test you will see an improvement….. also the increase in SC whine is awesome!
We did a temp test with them wrapped in the video.
Snake Oil
Very interesting! I thought about buying the upper mina gallery intake for increasing the sc whine on my f-type S and collect a little extra power. Well, i think i won´t do that anymore... BTW. does the sc whine get louder?
No the wine doesn’t increase. If you use cones it will increase but u you ou loose BHP if you don’t box them off properly. Mina gallery actually make a good boxed cone assembly.
@@69racer69 Yep, i saw on their website that they sell the upper piping and the cones separately or as a kit. So i think i have to go the cones road to unleash the sc whine??
Looking at the plastic stock intake and the mina I have to think if the mina is jet hot coated and wrapped it would be better than the stock one? any input? I really dislike the stock one but I love power
It’s not all about the heat soak, it’s more around the speed of the airflow, the Mina gallery intake is too big and has slow air flow. The stock intake is matched to the optimum air flow entry speed into the supercharger. If you change it, it would have to be for looks only.
@@69racer69 I was thinking about this too... the Mina must be having some kind of internal turbulence, and that's why it's worse... because only a degree or two of air temperature difference is effectively zero.
@@kleetus92 I think it’s down to the overall size of the tubes, it effectively slows down the air flow because combined they are double the size of the throttle body inlet. The standard intake is matched to the throttle body so it doesn’t add a restriction and also keeps the speed of the air flow up. The higher air flow shoots up inside the supercharger where as a slower air speed would have to be sucked into the supercharger, thus using some of the power to suck it in.
That’s my take on it from an aerodynamic point of view.
From what I saw at the end, they put the middle intake part upside down, those odd bowl things are supposed to be on the bottom.
No, the resonators are on the top Jason.
@@69racer69, I just worked on my F Type and they were at the bottom, that’s why I thought yours were upside down.
@@jasonmorecroft7764 ahhhh fair enough, yeah al the XF’s are on the top 😁👍🏻
Great video so if I take my Mina Gallery intake off I will definitely gain horsepower???
It looks that way yes. Another viewer tested their drag racing XF and took the intake back to stock and it gained on the dyno.
@@69racer69 apparently I was reading that the car adjust to the new air intake after several miles so I don't know if it's the actual intake because I don't know if the science behind it is true after it heats up its supposed to work better than the stock intake so I'm going to contact Chris at Mina Gallery and just get him to give me a little more information before I switch it out
@@adventurousx8220 read all the comment below, there is another guy who was running the intake for year, switched back to stock and on the dyno it gained power. So worth getting more opinions for sure.
Chris is a good guy, I’m sure he will advise you.
I have a question have you ever change the spark plug and wires on this car and if so is it easy
@@adventurousx8220 you mean the coil packs, I haven’t done it myself, but it is about an hours work in a garage. You do have to remove a few things to get access to them, like the water bottle and fuse box. Not sure what else.
Mine we’re lucky changed about 8,000 miles ago