Each scene of this movie has such depth. Salieri gets standing ovation with huge applause and certificate from the king proclaiming this as one of the greatest composition, However, Salieri is looking for appreciation from just one person.
He can get the acclaim from probably the most powerful man in all of Europe and he would not care until he gets appreciated by Mozart. And he would never get the appreciation in his life. P.S I know this is fictional but hey it’s fun to make this shit
Parce qu'il sait que les compliments de Mozart sont les seuls à avoir de la valeur à mon avis t'as pas vu le film pour dire ça il est d'une jalousie si folle qu'il est persuader que Mozart est une incarnation de dieux Et puis même dans la vrai vie les vrais artistes entendent le jugement des meilleurs et non des applaudissements de la foule ignorante
Salieri is the antagonist and motzart is the protagonist...the movie would be boring without the conflict between the two. Not difficult to understand why he is doing so.
Same with cooking too. If Biden walked into a 3 star restaurant, to the chef it’s business as usual. If Gordon Ramsay walked in, that chef would pull all the stops to try to impress Ramsay.
@@ffjsb Simply because the movie is fiction does not mean its theme of professional and personal envy is not real. Rivalries such as the one depicted in the movie do happen in real life.
@@ameljoore7731 Holy Roman Emperor are not Roman Emperor. Roman Emperor exsist as Basileos in the East, Holy Roman Emperor are the Kaisers of Germany. It's inapropriate to address them as King becaude they have overarching title, like Queen Victoria should be addressed as Empress Victoria.
It's actually quite difficult to find audio albums of Salieri's complete opera. You might be able to find a few of his pieces in an collection album of various composers but that's it. I once did find a rare recording of this particular opera from the movie but it wasn't even a good production of it.
I think one dynamic that is often missed in the scene is that Mozart initially really likes the opera, enthusiastically applauding and being one of the first to get up and give a standing ovation. However, he gets jealous of the Emperor's praise and reacts defensively by giving backhanded compliments.
One is shown Mozart applauding. He is in the gallery and Salieri can see him there. But in between you can see him look on solemnly and his vaudeville friends/performers also, and not with any look of enjoyment.
In court politics, someone in Salieri's position must be shown respect, or else he could use his influence to destroy the offender's career. Mozart, therefore, had to say something that could be interpreted as a compliment for fear of reprisal. And his 2 statements were incredibly vague and clouded by what people interpret. To the bystanders, who are unaware of Mozart's discriminating musical taste and can't perceive the gulf of talent between the 2 composers, his words came off like praise that cannot be adequately expressed by words. To Salieri, who is increasingly critical of his own work and believes Mozart is similarly dismissive of it, it came off like an insult as if he were incapable of actually composing good music.
The key difference between Mozart and Salieri’s music is portrayed clearly at the beginning of the movie when the priest does not manage to remember any of Salieri’s old hits but remembers Mozart’s. Salieri’s music is technically sound and pleasant to the ear but easy to forget. I bet many of you will not remember an hour after listening to this finale how it sounded. I do not mean that a piece of music should necessarily be easy to remember but it has to have a distinct personality.
Sorry but what barralpha said is true. Not everyone will forget someone not as well know but Mozart I can recall music of. Salieri no. Is it bad? Not at all. But it sounds like everyone else.
Josh, I fully agree with you. You can hear a work by adult Mozart not knowing it is Mozart and you will automatically know who he is. Salieri’s music sounds like any other classic composer but lacks personality: it is nice, pleasant, entertaining to some degree (try to seat through a three hour opera, and then we talk) but generally predictable and academic.
barralpha in my lectures at University, we quite often talk about something that academics like to call the doctrine of the affections. This is basically the idea that when music is written, it should convey emotion to the listener and be able to rouse emotion in the listeners themselves. While Salieri may have used the right musical techniques to convey emotions, such as where to add an octave leap or where to add a forte mark for instance, but in terms of composing in his and Mozart’s time, music in the Classical era was still well-formed, but composers had started creating new ideas of expression, how to be less predictable and how to get the music to rouse more complex human emotions, because human emotions can be quite unpredictable. From an audience point of view, we like the surprises that Mozart brings us. Our minds are ruled by emotion more than they are ruled by reason and theory. Partly why we remember what we remember is because there is some emotion brought into it. Salieri’s music is not mediocre or completely rubbish in any way, it’s just that Salieri may have needed more practice composing with more complex human emotions, maybe his own.
Antonio Salieri's music is currently under the greatest revival in 250 years. He has Milos Forman, F. Abraham Murray, and Tom Hulce to thank for this renewal of interest in his work.
A lot of the genius of the film is Salieri's paranoia. If you watch closely it's never actually certain that Mozart doesnt respect Salieri. For example in this scene, Mozart gives him a standing ovation after the performance. And then makes an effort to come down to speak to him and congratulate him. But Salieri cant get past a rather vague comment Mozart makes about it "sounding like a Salieri". And most scenes are like this. I often think Salieri actually just misreads Mozarts arrogance
No, no. It was very clear from the scene that Mozart didn't consider the opera to be great. Even the musician in the orchestra after the offer their congratulations to Salieri, slink away quietly. The emperor, though, loved it....and what he loves his subjects will love, too. But melodies from Mozar's opera also went on as Viennese popular songs. That is a compliment also.
@@evakovacs9706 I think it was normal for the musicians to quickly shake his hand and then get out of his way. Lots of people were coming up to shake his hand, so no one person could hog more than a few seconds.
I agree with you in that salieri was paranoid and self conscious. It's like when you think of yourself as average or ugly and then a person you find very attractive gives you a compliment. You take the compliment but you might feel a bit skeptical on the inside. Also, in the scene where Mozart is playing salieris March on the piano and starts adding notes to it, Mozart was never disrespectful towards salieris piece, he was just giving some criticisms and even asked salieri what he thought about the notes he was adding. Salieris pride took that as an insult when Mozart just wanted to create music with Salieri. @Chris Mooney
You seem to forget when Salieri attended that costume-party and Mozart parodied Salieri's paint-by-numbers approach to composition. Salieri fully understood his mediocrity in the shadow of Mozart. Not paranoia.
@@EricA-xd9fn Mozart was doing a parody of many famous composers there. It was fun, yeah, making fun of Salieri, but not necessarily meaning he doesn't appreciate his creations
Mozart's comment to Salieri at the end reminds me of a story of a famous poet in ancient Rome. He was supposed to write this great tribute, lavishing praise on the current Roman emperor. In part of the poem, he rambles on about the emperor's greatness, comparing him with the great planets. The emperor, having a big ego, naturally took this to be a compliment. But if you read the poem more straightforwardly, you realize that the poet is just saying that the emperor is fat. Who says psychology is a strictly modern science?
Also reminds me of a scene in a somewhat obscure movie. A woman is passionately reading poetry to an old man of a completely different cultural background. When she asks whether to continue, he declines saying "One life couldn't wish for more."
You're thinking of Lucan, and this piece of poetry appears in Book I of the De Bello Civile (Pharsalia). The political stance of Lucan is a great controversy of the poem.
I think if Salieri has lived in the modern day, he'd be someone like Rick Astley. Have two or three top forty hits, put out a number of albums, do a bunch of tours, make plenty of money, and be well known for a few years before fading away and being forgotten (if not for memes). That's not a bad career at all! 99% of all musicians would kill to have that much success. The problem is when you compare him to Kirk Cobain or John Lenon.
@nelsonchereta816 truly the former is WAY more enviable and desirable. You feel proud, accomplished, and like you made a lasting impact, people appreciated your art, but then you get to actually let go and breathe a sigh of rest after and return to your normal life. I don't envy the most successful of our time...in fact the industry destroys their very souls more often than not.
I always loved this scene because you actually see Salieri conducting for once. At the beginning of the movie you get to know him as a mediocrity with his simplistic welcoming march and his bitter tirades (and as a hypocritical glutton who claims to be a model of virtue) But in this scene you realize: The guy knows his stuff. You actually see him in his line of work and you realize that he's passionate about it and struggles hard to impress. He's not bad, he just lacks that little something. Even Mozart is impressed, it's just that he knows that he's a bit better.
Salieri was court composer and he also composed a lot of operas and other musical pieces. He worked hard and was very competent. But the fact is that he wanted more--at least according to this movie, and his morbid jealousy ate at him and turned him inside out. According to history, Mozart and Salieri had respect for each other. This movie is a fiction, to a great extent, and after Mozart's death there was talk of him having been done in, and I believe his wife had the same idea. Relationships had to be respectful in the Habsburg court. I am amused by those who dismiss Constanza, Mozart's wife, regarding her allegations that Mozart had been poisoned. She was dismissed, and still is, by many in the music world. She understood music, and I gather she had been a singer. There could very well have been something to her suspicions, one way or the other. But she no longer commanded respect as the widow of Mozart. Women are often dismissed in elevated areas of arts, or history for that fact,
@@evakovacs9706 Apart from that Salieri had no reason to be jealous. He had a steady job at the court, unlike Mozart who was a freelancer and always had to scramble for comissions. And he probably wasn't jealous of Mozart's gambling problem either. Regarding Constanze, I think she got a lot of hate because she was independent and self-sufficient, traits that were discouraged from women in her days. She was the one pulling strings to get Mozart's requiem finished after his death, something she doesn't get enough credit for in my opinion.
In 1973, a truly great horse named Sham ran the triple crown races, and in any other year, he would've won them all. But he had the misfortune to be running next to a legend named Secretariat, and the rest is history. Salieri was in the same fix. He was a good composer. He wrote some nice stuff. But Mozart was unearthly, a genius from some other plane of existence, and the rest is history.
@@LazlosPlane To be fair though, Mozart's ouvre is hardly consistent. I agree we should judge composers on their best work, but your comment about having heard "most of his works" could also apply to Mozart.
People are always pointing out that Salieri and Mozart were friends in real life, but I maintain that the movie never contradicts this. On the surface, this movie portrays them as friends: they seem to frequently hang out and appear to be on friendly terms. It's only because we get to hear Salieri's secret thoughts and see him do things in secret, that we know this not to be the case in this particular story. But personal secrets do not make it into history books, and as such, I think the story is more careful about not contradicting history than it's given credit for.
No one is denying that, but it's also fabulating a story, brilliant as it is, that is just that and there's no reason to believe that Salieri hated Mozart. This is why historical fiction is so good and exciting to read, watch, experience, yet so dangerous when consumed by people that don't know much about history and take it at face value :)
Mozart does very little to earn Salieri, rather it is Salieri’s own sense of self doubt driving it and in the end Mozart admits feeling Salieri did not appreciate him either
@@noodles8980 when i decide to get off my lazy ass and finally finish my ruby program, it will displace all of them....what they do can be done by a very small program.
Let's put it this way: If Mozart and Salieri were two teenagers today, they'd be sharing their musical experiments on TH-cam and probably they would say "Oh, nice fucking opera right there, Wolftard", "Sally-Salieri, you dirty bastard, that imperial march kicked ass!". But at some point, Mozart would get +1 million subscribers and start monetizing. Salieri acts like it's all ok, but then he gets +2 million subs. Mozart sends a video talking how Salieri is just licking the establishment's arse, and then Salieri counterattacks making a videoclip of him walking down the 'hood at Viena, featuring a well known tenor which happens to like the newest french vibe, but is proud of being austrian. They still do collaborations and stuff. They're the best "friendly enemies" and also the "most antagonist of comrades", until Mozart discovers dubstep... and he dies. That's kinda what happened in real life with both composers. Not the best friends (more like "competitive partners"), but they knew what eachother was doing in the european scene. Love and hate, admiration and jealousy.
ML8593wy I find great offense to your comment. Not only from your pompous attitude towards a culture you clearly have no understanding for, but from your blatant disregard for the genre quite common in American literature of Historical Fiction.
they were made "enemies" in this incredible good movie, else it woul dbe boring, would it not!, if you just play mozart music for 2 hours and see him get drunk, it would not make a fine, great movie like this!, and iam sure their were in competition with each other, all great athlets/writters,/scientists are in competition with each other, it is normal for men to compete, it is what leads to great things!, men pushing their boundries!. but enemies, no, it is not like they wanted to kill each other, and i think this movie comes accross very well in displaying this!, , a healthy competition between 2 great men, making them create better more beautiful things to show the other, they are the better one!.
And Vanilla Ice was at the forefront of white artists trying to crossover into the genre of hip-hop. How has the passage of time and history been to those efforts?
In JS Bach's day, he was esteemed for his virtuoso performances, but only picked for his Leipzig appointment as the third resort. Telemann was the chart-topper and Handel found his greatness outside Germany. Salieri, a good composer and better person, was more esteemed than Mozart and Haydn. P.S. Salieri's variations on "La Folía" are interesting.
The movie is based on a play, which has an enjoyable plot that happens to use historical characters. In the same way, “Gladiator” and “The Fall of the Roman Empire” use the time of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus, and “The Prince and the Pauper” is always set at the accession of young Edward VI. It’s actually known that Mozart liked “Axur” a lot.
It is said that Salieri went mad after his friend Mozart passed and in insanity said that he killed Mozart. Thats the premise of this movie. I think people need to stop comparing movie scripts to real life events (not that you are specifically, sir)
That is the fine Viennese blade. Every word is sweet but at the same time repellent and envy is the most valuable currency with which one can be paid in Vienna.
I really like this snippet of Salieri's music. Honestly I like it as much as I like most Mozart. But then, there's some Mozart that's almost untouchable.
The interesting thing about this scene is that Salieri's opera was about the very things that Mozart had mocked earlier in the movie when he was at the court to get the Emperor to allow him to do "The Marriage of Figero". Brilliant writing although, as others have stated, the rivalry between Mozart and Salieri is overstated in the movie. Then again, the rivalry does make for an interesting narrative for the movie.
i think overstated is a huge understatement. that's a key aspect of the movie.....to create a foil for the hero, even when in real life it wasnt even remotely like that.
I never knew that music like that was possible. - You flatter me. - No, no!!!! When one hears such sounds, what can one say but... Salieri... This is not even sarcasm, Wolfie is very clear on this occasion.
Guys, the movie Amadeus is based on real people, but its not based on their actual lives. Mozart and Salieri were actually allot more friendlier than this and Salieri even financially took care of Mozarts wife after he passed.
The alternative is that he brought one specifically to award to Salieri at the end regardless of what Salieri produced, and he didn't care about the music at all.
Categorically exceptional movie. One might think the fiction element is a weakness, but in fact, it is one of the strongest elements, and on top of it the whole story is told by an insane individual, so, there it is.
Sallieri was actually a very remarkable composer, especially with his sacred music. And he was also known for being the teacher of Beethoven and Schubert, no less. Only people who can barely make a diference between Mozart and Beethoven claim that Sallieri was "a mediocrity" as this movie (which is that: a movie and loosely based on reality) portraits. So, for all of you mediocres of the world who barely can play a single tune in the piano: Sallieri forgives you. And certainly, Mozart is greater, far more popular, a total genius only comparable with Sallieri's pupil Beethoven or Wagner perhaps.
Well, Salieri was great, Mozart was greater, Beethoven great too, but not comparable to Mozart. But for me, Bach was a genius, even greater than Mozart, IMHO. Bach beats them all in complexity and melody. He is just divine. Of course I'm comparing different styles of music from different times, and you should take what I wrote with a huge grain of salt.
Ask the general public of 2018 if they heard of Sallieri.... then ask them if they heard of Mozart.... as the wise words of Art LeFleur, Heros get remembered, Legends never die.
@@dezertfox3130 Comparing Sallieri to Kenny G.? There is no comparison. Sallieri was a far much better musician and composer, although not as great as Mozart.
1:27 Mozart was the first people who stand up to apllauding, I think he really liked Salieri's opera. Actually real musician doesn't hate other musician's music, but learn from it.
A lot of this film was at best hyperbole, if not outright bullshit. Salieri's music is great, he was also a friend and mentor, in some aspects to Mozart. They even collaborated with one another on some pieces, if I'm remembering my history correctly. None the less, I recommend listening to Salieri's music.
We can’t know what kind of relationship they had in real life, people say they were friends but here even Mozart thought they were. At least now centuries later the worlds knows Mozart’s name, not for his reputation but for his talent.
From what I've read, Mozart and Salieri were not really friends. They had a professional relationship and may have had a bit of a rivalry but Salieri was not pathologically obsessed with Mozart as he is depicted in this heavily fictionalized film.
I would reserve the word "great" for better composers. He was OK and he probably captured the zeitgeist of his time and place. As for influencing each other, that actually happened between Mozart and Haydn. Salieri had nothing to teach Mozart!
Not at all. Salieri was very taken aback by Mozart's hesitation & unemotional off-handed swipe at his talent. He almost lost his voice trying to save face.
Anyone who has ever engaged in an activity where those with natural talent easily excel can appreciate what Salieri feels. You see this in all fields... music, art, sports, dance... Most people have to work, struggle, exert themselves with every fiber of their being to become experts, while others can just make a modest effort and appear to instantly master their craft. They are just blessed with natural talent. And it's frustrating to be in any field where you have to compete with such people. If you obsess over it, it can drive you crazy. You just have to accept that there are people in this world who were gifted with virtuosity, and accept that all the effort in the world will not allow you to surpass what they naturally are capable of. Better to find your own gift. Everyone has one.
Marvelous actors Hulce, Murray and Johnson! 😍🤩🤗 Salieri was the most famous composer in this time, he composed hits and every young composer went to Salieri getting his lessons. Mozart knew by himself the genius is with me!
I saw a new stage production of Amadeus this week. Like Peter Schaffer’s other plays, Amadeus seems more powerful on stage than on film as effective as this film version might be.it’s reference point is not the historical personages of Mozart or Salieri: the entire dramatic conflict is anchored in Salieri’s struggle with himself, his desire and his beliefs.
i never knew video quality like this was possible
LOL!!
@xJoe90 you just made my day 😂😂
Subtle.
They bought the Mosaic edition of Amadeus.
I don’t know if you ever seen an android camera or have an android but if you did then you would know video quality like this was possible
Each scene of this movie has such depth. Salieri gets standing ovation with huge applause and certificate from the king proclaiming this as one of the greatest composition, However, Salieri is looking for appreciation from just one person.
He can get the acclaim from probably the most powerful man in all of Europe and he would not care until he gets appreciated by Mozart. And he would never get the appreciation in his life.
P.S I know this is fictional but hey it’s fun to make this shit
Parce qu'il sait que les compliments de Mozart sont les seuls à avoir de la valeur à mon avis t'as pas vu le film pour dire ça il est d'une jalousie si folle qu'il est persuader que Mozart est une incarnation de dieux
Et puis même dans la vrai vie les vrais artistes entendent le jugement des meilleurs et non des applaudissements de la foule ignorante
Thats because only mozart had the same depth of look on music like he does.
Salieri is the antagonist and motzart is the protagonist...the movie would be boring without the conflict between the two. Not difficult to understand why he is doing so.
Same with cooking too. If Biden walked into a 3 star restaurant, to the chef it’s business as usual. If Gordon Ramsay walked in, that chef would pull all the stops to try to impress Ramsay.
"If you can't say something nice, say something vague."
Taylor Moore 😂
I'm adding this phrase to my repertoire
@@jpoptop It's good advice and has served me well.
Truth.
Brilliant insult.
Ambiguity, double-entendre, satire and mockery delivered with inscrutable vocal tone, facial expression and demeanor by Amadeus the naughty boy.
Mozart: Has to say nice things despite hating it
Salieri: Has to express gratitude despite understanding the insult
Says someone who doesn't realize that the movie is heavily fictionalized....
@@ffjsb where do you get the impression that he doesn’t know the movie is heavily fictionalized?
@@ffjsb Simply because the movie is fiction does not mean its theme of professional and personal envy is not real. Rivalries such as the one depicted in the movie do happen in real life.
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i think the original poster is talking about the characters in the movie, not the real mozart and the real salieri.....
It takes great diplomatic skill to tell someone they suck and have them thank you...
When one reads such words, what can one say but Cara Vaggio.
Cara Vaggio but Salieri's song was truly great
U.V. S. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Grazias Signore!
Damned with faint praise.
A person, a king you accuse of having "no ear at all for music" declares you the greatest composer of all time... a very hollow victory.
LOL. He didn't seem to mind. "Actually the man had no ear at all...but what did it matter? He LOVED my music!"
Yes, unfortunately for the movie version of Salieri, he was much more concerned with the appearance of genius, rather than its true ability.
He's the Emperor of Holy Roman Empire, not just 'a King'.
@@AlexS-oj8qf pretty sure the last roman emperor was around 400, from then we speak of kings. Could be wrong, but pretty sure its true.
@@ameljoore7731 Holy Roman Emperor are not Roman Emperor. Roman Emperor exsist as Basileos in the East, Holy Roman Emperor are the Kaisers of Germany. It's inapropriate to address them as King becaude they have overarching title, like Queen Victoria should be addressed as Empress Victoria.
I really liked Salieri's opera in this scene. Great harmonies.
Too many notes... 😉
I never knew that music like that was possible. One hear souch sounds and what can one say but... Salieri!
I also like it. But Mozart's operas are much better for me 😍😍
Which opera is it?
@@augmentedhat16 axur d'amour
The King: “Best opera ever!”
Mozart: “Hold my Magic Flute.”
or 'you can suck on my magic flute' !
King? Oh my, that is an Emperor
Emperor
Mozart: Leck mich im Arsch.
Hold my comment
Actually I was quite enjoying Salieri's piece.
It is quite good. The real Mozart would never mock this.
His music, at least some pieces, is still around. I have one in my collections of composers; pieces, and it is not a new book at all.
It's actually quite difficult to find audio albums of Salieri's complete opera. You might be able to find a few of his pieces in an collection album of various composers but that's it. I once did find a rare recording of this particular opera from the movie but it wasn't even a good production of it.
That's what she said.
@@mikescott9611
damn you!
i came here to say that exact same thing.....but i was 3 days too late.....
well played sir....
I think one dynamic that is often missed in the scene is that Mozart initially really likes the opera, enthusiastically applauding and being one of the first to get up and give a standing ovation. However, he gets jealous of the Emperor's praise and reacts defensively by giving backhanded compliments.
Yeah, because Mozart was struggling for work, while Salieri the mediocrity keeps getting gigs
Uninterrupted Rhythm That's very common ... even in TH-cam ;-)
I don't mean this particular video... I did know one could make videos like this 🤔
One is shown Mozart applauding. He is in the gallery and Salieri can see him there. But in between you can see him look on solemnly and his vaudeville friends/performers also, and not with any look of enjoyment.
Even though Salieri saw the insult, maybe he still appreciated the fact that Mozart was still trying to compliment him in some sense
I'm not sure he perceived the insult. It's not clear.
In court politics, someone in Salieri's position must be shown respect, or else he could use his influence to destroy the offender's career. Mozart, therefore, had to say something that could be interpreted as a compliment for fear of reprisal.
And his 2 statements were incredibly vague and clouded by what people interpret. To the bystanders, who are unaware of Mozart's discriminating musical taste and can't perceive the gulf of talent between the 2 composers, his words came off like praise that cannot be adequately expressed by words. To Salieri, who is increasingly critical of his own work and believes Mozart is similarly dismissive of it, it came off like an insult as if he were incapable of actually composing good music.
The key difference between Mozart and Salieri’s music is portrayed clearly at the beginning of the movie when the priest does not manage to remember any of Salieri’s old hits but remembers Mozart’s. Salieri’s music is technically sound and pleasant to the ear but easy to forget. I bet many of you will not remember an hour after listening to this finale how it sounded. I do not mean that a piece of music should necessarily be easy to remember but it has to have a distinct personality.
barralpha i remember it, for it was worth remembering a very pleasant piece!!
I think it's easiest to remember catchy tunes the most. The tune that the priest remembered was a catchy tune.
Sorry but what barralpha said is true. Not everyone will forget someone not as well know but Mozart I can recall music of. Salieri no. Is it bad? Not at all. But it sounds like everyone else.
Josh, I fully agree with you. You can hear a work by adult Mozart not knowing it is Mozart and you will automatically know who he is. Salieri’s music sounds like any other classic composer but lacks personality: it is nice, pleasant, entertaining to some degree (try to seat through a three hour opera, and then we talk) but generally predictable and academic.
barralpha in my lectures at University, we quite often talk about something that academics like to call the doctrine of the affections. This is basically the idea that when music is written, it should convey emotion to the listener and be able to rouse emotion in the listeners themselves. While Salieri may have used the right musical techniques to convey emotions, such as where to add an octave leap or where to add a forte mark for instance, but in terms of composing in his and Mozart’s time, music in the Classical era was still well-formed, but composers had started creating new ideas of expression, how to be less predictable and how to get the music to rouse more complex human emotions, because human emotions can be quite unpredictable. From an audience point of view, we like the surprises that Mozart brings us. Our minds are ruled by emotion more than they are ruled by reason and theory. Partly why we remember what we remember is because there is some emotion brought into it. Salieri’s music is not mediocre or completely rubbish in any way, it’s just that Salieri may have needed more practice composing with more complex human emotions, maybe his own.
Truly one of the operas of all time!
indeed, it was composed, there were instruments and it had a beginning and the end! Bravo salieri
Antonio Salieri's music is currently under the greatest revival in 250 years.
He has Milos Forman, F. Abraham Murray, and Tom Hulce to thank for this renewal of interest in his work.
actuallly dont
F. Murray Abraham
Grazie Signore...
Also the play it was adapted from.
Excellent point. Nobody would be talking about Salieri were it not for the movie.
This movie needs to be in theaters again. 40th anniversary
A lot of the genius of the film is Salieri's paranoia. If you watch closely it's never actually certain that Mozart doesnt respect Salieri. For example in this scene, Mozart gives him a standing ovation after the performance. And then makes an effort to come down to speak to him and congratulate him. But Salieri cant get past a rather vague comment Mozart makes about it "sounding like a Salieri". And most scenes are like this. I often think Salieri actually just misreads Mozarts arrogance
No, no. It was very clear from the scene that Mozart didn't consider the opera to be great. Even the musician in the orchestra after the offer their congratulations to Salieri, slink away quietly. The emperor, though, loved it....and what he loves his subjects will love, too. But melodies from Mozar's opera also went on as Viennese popular songs. That is a compliment also.
@@evakovacs9706 I think it was normal for the musicians to quickly shake his hand and then get out of his way. Lots of people were coming up to shake his hand, so no one person could hog more than a few seconds.
I agree with you in that salieri was paranoid and self conscious. It's like when you think of yourself as average or ugly and then a person you find very attractive gives you a compliment. You take the compliment but you might feel a bit skeptical on the inside.
Also, in the scene where Mozart is playing salieris March on the piano and starts adding notes to it, Mozart was never disrespectful towards salieris piece, he was just giving some criticisms and even asked salieri what he thought about the notes he was adding. Salieris pride took that as an insult when Mozart just wanted to create music with Salieri. @Chris Mooney
You seem to forget when Salieri attended that costume-party and Mozart parodied Salieri's paint-by-numbers approach to composition. Salieri fully understood his mediocrity in the shadow of Mozart. Not paranoia.
@@EricA-xd9fn Mozart was doing a parody of many famous composers there. It was fun, yeah, making fun of Salieri, but not necessarily meaning he doesn't appreciate his creations
Mozart's comment to Salieri at the end reminds me of a story of a famous poet in ancient Rome. He was supposed to write this great tribute, lavishing praise on the current Roman emperor. In part of the poem, he rambles on about the emperor's greatness, comparing him with the great planets. The emperor, having a big ego, naturally took this to be a compliment. But if you read the poem more straightforwardly, you realize that the poet is just saying that the emperor is fat. Who says psychology is a strictly modern science?
LOL. Man, Your so fat. So, fat.
Also reminds me of a scene in a somewhat obscure movie. A woman is passionately reading poetry to an old man of a completely different cultural background. When she asks whether to continue, he declines saying "One life couldn't wish for more."
elvancor wow amezing!!
You're thinking of Lucan, and this piece of poetry appears in Book I of the De Bello Civile (Pharsalia). The political stance of Lucan is a great controversy of the poem.
The Greeks and Romans excelled at satire!
Needs more cow bell
I've got a fever! And given the time period, it's likely typhus.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Lmao u stupid good one
piss funny...
SNL hasn't been funny since the 70's
Poor Salieri. He truly had talent. I was jamming to this one 😢
I think if Salieri has lived in the modern day, he'd be someone like Rick Astley. Have two or three top forty hits, put out a number of albums, do a bunch of tours, make plenty of money, and be well known for a few years before fading away and being forgotten (if not for memes). That's not a bad career at all! 99% of all musicians would kill to have that much success. The problem is when you compare him to Kirk Cobain or John Lenon.
@nelsonchereta816 truly the former is WAY more enviable and desirable. You feel proud, accomplished, and like you made a lasting impact, people appreciated your art, but then you get to actually let go and breathe a sigh of rest after and return to your normal life. I don't envy the most successful of our time...in fact the industry destroys their very souls more often than not.
I always loved this scene because you actually see Salieri conducting for once.
At the beginning of the movie you get to know him as a mediocrity with his simplistic welcoming march and his bitter tirades (and as a hypocritical glutton who claims to be a model of virtue)
But in this scene you realize: The guy knows his stuff. You actually see him in his line of work and you realize that he's passionate about it and struggles hard to impress.
He's not bad, he just lacks that little something.
Even Mozart is impressed, it's just that he knows that he's a bit better.
Sabe, ¿como se llama la canción de Salieri?
Salieri was court composer and he also composed a lot of operas and other musical pieces. He worked hard and was very competent. But the fact is that he wanted more--at least according to this movie, and his morbid jealousy ate at him and turned him inside out. According to history, Mozart and Salieri had respect for each other. This movie is a fiction, to a great extent, and after Mozart's death there was talk of him having been done in, and I believe his wife had the same idea. Relationships had to be respectful in the Habsburg court. I am amused by those who dismiss Constanza, Mozart's wife, regarding her allegations that Mozart had been poisoned. She was dismissed, and still is, by many in the music world.
She understood music, and I gather she had been a singer. There could very well have been something to her suspicions, one way or the other. But she no longer commanded respect as the widow of Mozart. Women are often dismissed in elevated areas of arts, or history for that fact,
@@evakovacs9706 Apart from that Salieri had no reason to be jealous. He had a steady job at the court, unlike Mozart who was a freelancer and always had to scramble for comissions. And he probably wasn't jealous of Mozart's gambling problem either.
Regarding Constanze, I think she got a lot of hate because she was independent and self-sufficient, traits that were discouraged from women in her days. She was the one pulling strings to get Mozart's requiem finished after his death, something she doesn't get enough credit for in my opinion.
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"Glutton"? How so?
This piece is fantastic. I don't care that he isn't a "name brand" composer. He is underrated.
You have, I assume, heard and studied the entire opera. Also you must have heard most of his works to make such a claim.
In 1973, a truly great horse named Sham ran the triple crown races, and in any other year, he would've won them all. But he had the misfortune to be running next to a legend named Secretariat, and the rest is history.
Salieri was in the same fix. He was a good composer. He wrote some nice stuff.
But Mozart was unearthly, a genius from some other plane of existence, and the rest is history.
@@christinebutler7630 In any other era Andrew Murray would have been a multiple Grand Slam winner.
@@CIMAmotor And Stockton/Malone would have an NBA championship. Damn you Jordan.
@@LazlosPlane To be fair though, Mozart's ouvre is hardly consistent.
I agree we should judge composers on their best work, but your comment about having heard "most of his works" could also apply to Mozart.
People are always pointing out that Salieri and Mozart were friends in real life, but I maintain that the movie never contradicts this. On the surface, this movie portrays them as friends: they seem to frequently hang out and appear to be on friendly terms. It's only because we get to hear Salieri's secret thoughts and see him do things in secret, that we know this not to be the case in this particular story. But personal secrets do not make it into history books, and as such, I think the story is more careful about not contradicting history than it's given credit for.
Yes I always here people say that too and these are my exact thoughts too
No one is denying that, but it's also fabulating a story, brilliant as it is, that is just that and there's no reason to believe that Salieri hated Mozart. This is why historical fiction is so good and exciting to read, watch, experience, yet so dangerous when consumed by people that don't know much about history and take it at face value :)
Mozart was Salieri's adopted Disaster Child, that he kept trying to take care of, while Mozart kept making terrible life choices.
Astute comment. Even if in the end not true, still what a story, Peter Shaffer GOAT.
Mozart does very little to earn Salieri, rather it is Salieri’s own sense of self doubt driving it and in the end Mozart admits feeling Salieri did not appreciate him either
"No, no! When I hear such sounds, all I can say is, Tiesto."
- Armin Van Buuren
LOL
Fuck electro music
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when i decide to get off my lazy ass and finally finish my ruby program, it will displace all of them....what they do can be done by a very small program.
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Of course it is a work of fiction. Mozart and Salieri were friends.
Let's put it this way:
If Mozart and Salieri were two teenagers today, they'd be sharing their musical experiments on TH-cam and probably they would say "Oh, nice fucking opera right there, Wolftard", "Sally-Salieri, you dirty bastard, that imperial march kicked ass!". But at some point, Mozart would get +1 million subscribers and start monetizing. Salieri acts like it's all ok, but then he gets +2 million subs. Mozart sends a video talking how Salieri is just licking the establishment's arse, and then Salieri counterattacks making a videoclip of him walking down the 'hood at Viena, featuring a well known tenor which happens to like the newest french vibe, but is proud of being austrian.
They still do collaborations and stuff. They're the best "friendly enemies" and also the "most antagonist of comrades", until Mozart discovers dubstep... and he dies.
That's kinda what happened in real life with both composers. Not the best friends (more like "competitive partners"), but they knew what eachother was doing in the european scene. Love and hate, admiration and jealousy.
ML8593wy I find great offense to your comment. Not only from your pompous attitude towards a culture you clearly have no understanding for, but from your blatant disregard for the genre quite common in American literature of Historical Fiction.
It's Candy Time Boys and Girls one of the best comments I've ever read
@It's Candy Time Boys and Girls
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they were made "enemies" in this incredible good movie, else it woul dbe boring, would it not!,
if you just play mozart music for 2 hours and see him get drunk, it would not make a fine, great movie like this!, and iam sure their were in competition with each other, all great athlets/writters,/scientists are in competition with each other, it is normal for men to compete, it is what leads to great things!, men pushing their boundries!.
but enemies, no, it is not like they wanted to kill each other, and i think this movie comes accross very well in displaying this!, , a healthy competition between 2 great men, making them create better more beautiful things to show the other, they are the better one!.
There are so many scenes in this movie I look forward to every time I watch it; this is one of them.
Such a great film dealing with specific issues: talent and lack of it, and envy. Brilliantly depicted.
Honestly they were both capable and talented. They were great musicians and colleagues in real life
I have this DVD of Amadeus, watching it frequently,
Never trust a comment without adjectives.
What kind of adjectives?
Your comment doesn’t have any adjectives, so should we trust such a hypocritical sentence? Lol
Fuck you, I'm going to
Excellent comment. The other posters are too stupid to get it.
@@stlchucko wrong. It has the word "adjective" in it. Lmao
I can remember wasting away days worth of music class watching this movie on one of those VHS TVs
Salieri was not a failure He composed the first opera to be performed at La Scala in Milan.
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and that opera was forgotten.
Yes, salieri was popular at the time, but like many musical bands, forgotten after its apogee.
And Vanilla Ice was at the forefront of white artists trying to crossover into the genre of hip-hop.
How has the passage of time and history been to those efforts?
@@AndyMatts44 Well, seeing as how you just mentioned him, he scarcely seems forgotten. 😆
@@adamcopeland6902 He's a well known composer because of this movie alone.
In JS Bach's day, he was esteemed for his virtuoso performances, but only picked for his Leipzig appointment as the third resort. Telemann was the chart-topper and Handel found his greatness outside Germany.
Salieri, a good composer and better person, was more esteemed than Mozart and Haydn.
P.S. Salieri's variations on "La Folía" are interesting.
The movie is based on a play, which has an enjoyable plot that happens to use historical characters. In the same way, “Gladiator” and “The Fall of the Roman Empire” use the time of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus, and “The Prince and the Pauper” is always set at the accession of young Edward VI.
It’s actually known that Mozart liked “Axur” a lot.
It is said that Salieri went mad after his friend Mozart passed and in insanity said that he killed Mozart. Thats the premise of this movie. I think people need to stop comparing movie scripts to real life events (not that you are specifically, sir)
Mozart was generous enough to come up to Salieri and offer his charming feedback on the Court Composer. That was tremendously professional.
Mozart never said if it's good or bad. I think he thought it's bad but with interpretation the other can think he referred as good
The point is that Salieri isn't BAD, his music is just "fine" (forgettable).
And that he doesn’t care what anyone else says, he clearly only cares what Mozart thinks.
You could tell by Mozart's facial expressions as he was watching and listening that he was insanely bored. There's no doubt he hated it.
That is the fine Viennese blade.
Every word is sweet but at the same time repellent
and envy is the most valuable currency with which one can be paid in Vienna.
I really like this snippet of Salieri's music. Honestly I like it as much as I like most Mozart. But then, there's some Mozart that's almost untouchable.
Johnny Carson said that, when you don't want to tell someone outright that they suck, you just say "You've never been better."
@Stephen Hogan
Doing so was quite entertaining for you, wasn't it?
The interesting thing about this scene is that Salieri's opera was about the very things that Mozart had mocked earlier in the movie when he was at the court to get the Emperor to allow him to do "The Marriage of Figero". Brilliant writing although, as others have stated, the rivalry between Mozart and Salieri is overstated in the movie. Then again, the rivalry does make for an interesting narrative for the movie.
i think overstated is a huge understatement.
that's a key aspect of the movie.....to create a foil for the hero, even when in real life it wasnt even remotely like that.
This movie had great music, great dialogue and a great story.. And of course tremendous acting.
“You flatter me....”
“No no....”
= savage as a gang of wolves
Wolf gang? Who would have such an outlandish name?
Emperor Joseph II was booking it to the lavatory after that 5 hour opera.
It was a great piece of Salieri and it was a good thing of Mozart recognize the effort that Salieri put into it 💪💪💪
It was sarcasm
Did you actually watch the movie? In a later scene Mozart sarcastically shreds this opera in a bar.
I never knew that music like that was possible. - You flatter me. - No, no!!!! When one hears such sounds, what can one say but... Salieri...
This is not even sarcasm, Wolfie is very clear on this occasion.
It's Axur, re d'Ormus. Salieri's opera seria are very good.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I heard a single word of praise from Mozart's mouth.
This is like when squidward was conducting the halftime concert. It was his sweet victory.
The best musical , , across the board for young at hearts.
Appreciation of classical with a great cast , set , & is eternal depicting love ..
Guys, the movie Amadeus is based on real people, but its not based on their actual lives. Mozart and Salieri were actually allot more friendlier than this and Salieri even financially took care of Mozarts wife after he passed.
Not really. It was embellished a bit, but Salieri did work against him getting work in Vienna.
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Salieri also gave musical lessons to one of Mozart's sons.
a lot*
That opera by Salieri is a masterpiece . Not Mozart , but far from bad. Of course that would hurt this fictitious story.
Similar to me talking to some classes at the end of the year.
" I would like to say how much I have enjoyed teaching you this year"
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This is what happens when your idols become your rivals.
"what can one say, but - Salieri!"
So does his majesty just carry around medals for when ever he finds someone he thinks deserves one?
What? You DON'T? Peasants!
The alternative is that he brought one specifically to award to Salieri at the end regardless of what Salieri produced, and he didn't care about the music at all.
Categorically exceptional movie. One might think the fiction element is a weakness, but in fact, it is one of the strongest elements, and on top of it the whole story is told by an insane individual, so, there it is.
As far as I've read, Mozart had a lot of respect for Sallieri. Their disputes were rather like that of two brothers, than enemies.
Yes. 2 brothers. Almost Biblical.
Cecilia Bartoli has a CD entitled "The Salieri Album", devoted to arias from Salieri operas. I do recommend it as there is a lot of good music there.
they were friends but the friction made for great cinema
The subtley of the Salieri actor was amazing,
Just so pleasant to hear!
I love major chords like a tide going one way only.
@1:17 the stage looks like an El Greco painting.
Mozart gives a Master Class in 18th century "shade"..
Greatest movie of all time.
Sallieri was actually a very remarkable composer, especially with his sacred music. And he was also known for being the teacher of Beethoven and Schubert, no less.
Only people who can barely make a diference between Mozart and Beethoven claim that Sallieri was "a mediocrity" as this movie (which is that: a movie and loosely based on reality) portraits.
So, for all of you mediocres of the world who barely can play a single tune in the piano: Sallieri forgives you.
And certainly, Mozart is greater, far more popular, a total genius only comparable with Sallieri's pupil Beethoven or Wagner perhaps.
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Well, Salieri was great, Mozart was greater, Beethoven great too, but not comparable to Mozart. But for me, Bach was a genius, even greater than Mozart, IMHO. Bach beats them all in complexity and melody. He is just divine. Of course I'm comparing different styles of music from different times, and you should take what I wrote with a huge grain of salt.
Ask the general public of 2018 if they heard of Sallieri.... then ask them if they heard of Mozart.... as the wise words of Art LeFleur, Heros get remembered, Legends never die.
@@naryrokobs1847 And?
@@dezertfox3130 Comparing Sallieri to Kenny G.? There is no comparison. Sallieri was a far much better musician and composer, although not as great as Mozart.
1:27 Mozart was the first people who stand up to apllauding, I think he really liked Salieri's opera. Actually real musician doesn't hate other musician's music, but learn from it.
A lot of this film was at best hyperbole, if not outright bullshit. Salieri's music is great, he was also a friend and mentor, in some aspects to Mozart. They even collaborated with one another on some pieces, if I'm remembering my history correctly. None the less, I recommend listening to Salieri's music.
Amazing, Salieri was great.
We can’t know what kind of relationship they had in real life, people say they were friends but here even Mozart thought they were. At least now centuries later the worlds knows Mozart’s name, not for his reputation but for his talent.
From what I've read, Mozart and Salieri were not really friends. They had a professional relationship and may have had a bit of a rivalry but Salieri was not pathologically obsessed with Mozart as he is depicted in this heavily fictionalized film.
This makes for a great movie moment. But in reality Salieri was a great composer and both he and Mozart had mutual respect for each other!
Quite possibly made all the better because of each other.
I would reserve the word "great" for better composers. He was OK and he probably captured the zeitgeist of his time and place. As for influencing each other, that actually happened between Mozart and Haydn. Salieri had nothing to teach Mozart!
"Only if you can take abuse with a smile, you have the qualities to become a great leader."
Ladies and gentleman, the King...of left-handed compliments.
This really is a triumphant and brilliant section of Salieri's music! I don't think that's mentioned enough.
Actually, Salieri's opera is not bad at all. Far above what was being composed at that time.
They have music in common - the only things separating the two is ego.
Music brings them above their division - that is the power of music.
That bow right at the end... "Ha ha, screw you."
Only sad, that in the movie Salieri is more like an enemy to Mozart, they respected each other and were even friends in reallife.
Why is this movie so good I’ve never seen anything like it
It was simply a damn good movie.
Que actuaciones tan maravillosas! Inolvidable película!
Well there it is.
You have to love Mozart's pseudocomplimentary comments to Salieri, answering his question but telling him nothing.
Brilliant film
Classic Award Winning Hair & Wigs. By Mr. Paul Le Blanc.
The back-handed compliment/insult goes unnoticed by Salieri except by Mozart's friends and us.
Not at all. Salieri was very taken aback by Mozart's hesitation & unemotional off-handed swipe at his talent. He almost lost his voice trying to save face.
If I had a nickel for every pixel in this clip, I would have a quarter.
$0.20
Mozart are a gift from god,wait till you see magic flute
Anyone who has ever engaged in an activity where those with natural talent easily excel can appreciate what Salieri feels. You see this in all fields... music, art, sports, dance... Most people have to work, struggle, exert themselves with every fiber of their being to become experts, while others can just make a modest effort and appear to instantly master their craft. They are just blessed with natural talent. And it's frustrating to be in any field where you have to compete with such people.
If you obsess over it, it can drive you crazy. You just have to accept that there are people in this world who were gifted with virtuosity, and accept that all the effort in the world will not allow you to surpass what they naturally are capable of. Better to find your own gift. Everyone has one.
i never knew that video resolutions like this (240p in 2012) was still possible.
There are blu-ray versions available at Amazon for both Amadeus (Mozart) and Immortal Beloved (Beethoven).
TH-cam is free bro 🤣
If it were of high quality it won't be here, it would be automatically removed by TH-cam
@@emiliocurbelo8891 no. This has nothing to do with quality.
Considering that this scene was shot in 1780 or around that time, the video looks good to me
I LOVE HOW EVERYBODY TALKS LIKE THEY LIVED IN THAT ERA AND WENT THOSE CONCERTS, TALKED TO THEM , OR WHERE CLOSE BY FRIENDS OF THE MUSICIANS LOL
& those were the people who never put their CELL PHONES DOWN during Salieri's concert!
A year has passed and I'm sure you have grown. Looking back on this comment, do you see how you might have been a little bit stupid?
I didn't know that music like that was possible.
You flatter me.
No no
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I cant believe after all these I just realized that F. Murray Abraham played Omar in Scarface. This dude is absolute legend
Well, I liked it.
Mozart's mind:
The rest's all just the same isn't it?
But its pretty cool to see him stand up first when applauding 1:26
No one is mentioning the superb acting. After all this is a movie portraying real life characters and the acting matches the superb music!!!
I think the Academy recognized it when they gave F. Murray Abraham the Oscar that year.
Nuances in music that only a genius like Mozart could have detected.....and rolled is genius eyes.
What in the Passive/Aggressive just happened?? 😂😂 This is just like telling a mother with an ugly baby "He looks just like his father" while smiling 😂
Salieri was unfortunate to live at the same time of a genius. He was good, no, great! just not AS brilliant as the Genius. That's all! 😢😉💜
The old world
version of "Well bless your heart"....
I like how Salieri kept looking to Mozart for approval. Because he held Mozart in such high esteem, that a compliment from him was one from God.
Another example of fine filmmaking. I can’t praise this movie enough.
You don't want to see the same superhero movie made 100 times over the last few years? Me neither. This was something else entirely.
Salieri actually was and is quite good. When they have to hold you up against Mozart to contrast talent you're doing pretty well.
Marvelous actors Hulce, Murray and Johnson! 😍🤩🤗 Salieri was the most famous composer in this time, he composed hits and every young composer went to Salieri getting his lessons. Mozart knew by himself the genius is with me!
I saw a new stage production of Amadeus this week. Like Peter Schaffer’s other plays, Amadeus seems more powerful on stage than on film as effective as this film version might be.it’s reference point is not the historical personages of Mozart or Salieri: the entire dramatic conflict is anchored in Salieri’s struggle with himself, his desire and his beliefs.