We have a local airport that trains a lot of Chinese kids. Not making excuses for him, but when I soloed I was pretty nervous, and I worked with all the controllers at the Air Force base I was at. If they don't have a lot of practice with English they are going to have problems.
Like here in New Zealand the Airline Academy Flight school is just pumping Indian flight students through like it’s a chicken farm, every two weeks a new batch are let loose to cause havoc and consternation amongst other VFR pilots with poor comms and traffic alerts. It’s just to get there 200 hours up for a CPL and ATPL before they are let loose in right seat B737. No experience at all, meanwhile we put our lives at risk.
I think it's time to put a word into your national safety board or call the news and have a bunch of pilots speak out. I'm sure the government will do something after the public flames them especially with all of the aviation accidents going on lately and the news really putting a spotlight on aviation
Welcome to capitalism, the only thing that matters is money and that’s all the school or the FAA is going to focus on… you want safe skys? Get rid of the root cause and focus on a system that revolves around people (social) instead of money (capital) duh…
For anyone that has never experienced what traffic is like at Riverside Airport in Tulsa, Oklahoma… ATC there are all freakin’ rockstars. That place can get crazy busy (even compared to Denver International). I fly both for work, and each location can be equally challenging in certain ways. To be fair, most Spartan students and instructors are able to keep up with this high op-tempo environment. I’ve been flying into the airport regularly for over a year and have never heard anything even close to this incident. But good lord this is one for the record books!!!
@@ryanott1425 Probably for the fact that they can't speak English when it is mandatory to speak English. I doubt someone just forgets an entire language.
@ I never said people forget a whole language I said you resort to your first language in time of stress. And if you didn’t notice the pilot was using English just had a very thick accent. There are English speaking Americans with thick accents hard to understand as well. But also in this case the fact we are hearing a recording of a radio transmission can have effect on quality as well and that’s just science.
@@ryanott1425accent is fine, but there’s a point where the “accent” is so thick that the syllables aren’t being pronounced at all or correctly enough for communication to be possible.
@ by that ruling the FAA should ban any airline world wide that has a thick accent because it’s to difficult. And those airlines should be shut down forever and all controllers around the world can’t have a thick accent either.
🤣 Damn… Honestly I feel bad for the student pilot (without knowing any of the details). They’re probably just doing what they’ve been told, like “you’re ready to solo.” A lot of foreign students come to the US and have an incredible amount of pressure put on them. But they also don’t know what they don’t know. I suppose it’s possible that the student simply had an anxiety attack or something, and everyone just interprets the situation as he’s a dumb foreigner that can’t even speak English. Who knows?
I left that terrible school after only shortly attended and on the day I left I told the chief pilot his flight school is an accident waiting to happen. Not shocked at all and this is what you can expect to see of all these fast track 141 schools
I went to spartan, managed to complete (survive) the program but holy crap that place is incredibly unprofessional, the chiefs are incompetent and half of the instructors are only there to grind hours. Mostly had good instructors in my case fortunately but some of those dudes literally sit on their phones for the entire flight and not even try to teach. I'm surprised that there hasn't been any fatal accidents yet.
These flight schools are pumping out international pilots as fast as they can. People come over from other countries and pay a set amount so the quicker turn around they can get then the more money they make. Then those 'pilots' go back home to their country and tell others that they got their license really fast at this school and they see even more business. Places like this need to be reported to the FAA and kept under close supervision. I've seen too many of these schools just accepting people no more their language level and trying to send them out to solo when they're clearly not ready just so they can get done with them and send them on their way and get the next student to fill the slot.
It should be a requirement to speak clear english even as a student pilot. So many people (even in this video) who are clearly not able to understand ATC properly and ATC can’t understand them properly. Aviation isn’t a game. Its peoples lives in the balance. There is no room for people who cannot communicate with a controller
But the incident pilot was speaking English with a very thick accent. Sometimes an accent is more the issue than the English. Hell there are Americans that are hard to understand sometimes.
@ Thats what I’m saying. Clear english. Vocabulary, Accent, dialect. It should all be regulated. If you cannot communicate with controllers, then I’m sorry, but thats part of being a pilot
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze I would have to disagree with that some because by whose definition are you going to use on understanding their accent. What you find clear and what I find clear can be 2 vastly different things. And we also have to realize that if someone is panicked that accent could be worse and they could resort to a native tongue in times of emergency. Yes they should use English but if your ass is on the line I’m sure it’s the last thing your thinking about
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze never said I was but you also have to understand what your expectation is is not very reasonable again by what standards are you gonna judge use of English? Is 1 person supposed to travel the world and interview every single pilot now and forever so there is a set standard? Thats the only way your plan works. And even that can be opinionated.
Unfreaking believable. We're talking about the busiest airspace in SoCal. How on earth is this goof signed off for a solo there? That CFI is not a CFI if he/she is signing off on these idiots. At this point I think the 1st requirement needs to be an English competency exam before annnnyyyyuthing else.
@@SoloPilot6 Kinda funny, there is actually a Spartan aviation school in Riverside CA too, but they are a maint training operation. No Runway 1R/1L at Riverside CA either!
Every GA pilot knows where the crappy flight schools in the area operate and avoid them like the plague. For me, it’s Purdue University and the Lafayette airport. Lift Academy in the area is great and I’ll fly around them any day. Purdue has almost killed me on several occasions.
The other guy's doing just fine. Forget the accent, and you hear that he has it together. He knows where he's going, and doesn't want to take up resources needed for other pilots.
The CFI definitely should not be the only one to blame, look in the direction of the chief instructor or check airman (however the school is structured). Maybe even look at the structure of the flight school. CFI likely passed him to a check airman before sending him solo, and they were the ones who gave him the green light to send his student solo
1. The instructor is to blame for this. And the stupid airline timebuilding process that leads to it. 2. That is not English proficiency. These schools are predatory and just taking money.
People complaining about the English need to understand that Asia is experiencing an enormous aviation boom and it can cost half as much or less to train a pilot in the US compared to the rest of the world. They come, cram training, and learn the absolute bare minimum English
Late 1970s I was given an Iranian woman who wanted to learn. Her English wasn't too bad, but I swear there was NO WAY she was going to succeed, couldn't even understand how to taxi! Straight and level? Forget about it. I told her not to try anymore. We were Part 61, not 141. I do hope she didn't go somewhere else for "lessons"...
@@Flight_FollowerI never believe this when people say it. Flying isn’t genetic. There’s no specific brain function any pilot has that no other human does, every pilot knew nothing about flying at one point. With that said, I think the realistic limiting factor is some people would take so much time learning how to fly to render it essentially impractical with finances and time involved, but I think that’s different from saying they could never do it. Idealized, yes, and real world constraints are very real which can eliminate a lot of people. But I guess for some reason it just bugs me people pretend you are either just cut out for it or not. Every pilot sucked at one point and still sucks at some things, or else there would be no reason for a debrief
Hey flight follower, thanks for another great video. As the runway numbers are mentioned multiple times, it would be really nice if you could have put the runway numbers on the overlay so that people can understand what's happening better.
Yes the pilot had inadequate skills, but the controller cannot order someone to complete a full stop landing. The controller needs to fly the tower and the pilot needs to fly the plane.
Runway numbers are just the magnetic runway heading to the nearest 10 degrees, plus a left/right/center designator, so runway numbers in the audio can be matched up with a runway on the map just by looking at the rough runway direction. The only issues are: 1) Fields like KDFW that have more than 3 parallel runways, in which case the extra runways have to use an adjacent runway number to the actual heading because the L/R/C designators are already taken. 2) Fields in areas with significant magnetic deviation, in which case matching up the heading shown on the map with the spoken runway number can be more difficult, but this generally isn't much of an issue in the continental US.
Neehow Ma is hello in Chinese (my biz partner is chinese and I live in Thailand) yeeeehaaaaaaaaaa is ride 'em ponies at a rodeo! He went to the wrong school...
English is (by international treaty and law) required of pilots in every country in the world. It is the official language for this, everywhere. In other countries, the controllers and pilots are ALLOWED to speak to each other in their native language. But they are REQUIRED to be able to communicate in English. Some CFI certificates (and also some schools' certificates) need to be revoked. I only had trouble understanding one of the pilots. The solo was saying he wanted to go around, but the controller was demanding full stop. The controller at that moment was wrong. If you're going by the transcriptions on screen, often they are wrong. or say "unintelligible" when they are perfectly understandable to me. (This happens on the similar competing TH-cam channels as well. I don't think any of these are done by actual pilots.)
They may be required, but they don't as I found out in e.g. Germany. At my home field in Netherlands it is mandatory to communicate in English, but for a long time the visiting Germans kept on talking German in and around the pattern. My luck I did some discovery flights in Germany, to find out the uncontrolled 'tower' talked back in German. I was flabber and unable to repeat, but after that I learned the required German AV-slang, so I understood those Germans at my home field in the pattern as well. Lesson learned: Never assume ;-) From other Dutch pilots I've heard France can be very nasty to fly to.
What shocks me is that someone can be just a kid with very few hours of experience and become a flight instructor to teach other kids. It's insane that the system works that way. Most people would be amazed to find out that often times the very first job a brand new pilot gets is a job to train other pilots. Lol
The training process for CFI is quite extensive. They must earn the private pilot certificate, instrument rating, commercial certificate, then the CFI rating. If you make it that far, you're probably fairly proficient.
@@sacpilot that means nothing. It means you filled in the blanks and passed the exams. Anyone can do that, as so many lousy pilots attest. But you have no experience. And you have not been around to have learned important lessons. You have not proved you are made from the right stuff, much less proved that you are good enough to teach others. By rights a CFI should be a job only given to the most experienced pilots. It should be the job you get at the end of your career, not at the beginning. But the economics of it flips that on its head.
@@sacpilot Yes, and the reason why it is legal to do this is, like I said, economics. It is cheap. Like H1B visas. Also the law of the land. And that is both the problem and the reason why we have so many lousy pilots. Money corrupts any system. In medicine, newly minted medical doctors are trained and mentored by very experienced physicians. We don't let brand new physicians be the mentors of other brand new medical students.
Let me tell you something I know somebody that was a commercial aviator and before 911 back in 1988 they told me about how these people came in a certain airline. Major carrier said it was OK for these people to ride along because they claimed to be, aviation students and one of the major carriers was OK for these guys to come and take notes and fly along with the captains and everybody in the cockpit Don’t be surprised if some of these people don’t turn on us inside of this country. You’re educating the T word and yes you are. You can call me. Archie bunker all you want, but this is wrong very wrong.
People keep talking about the pilot's accent but I don't see how that's relevant here. It was just inexperience. He never should've been cleared for his first solo, that is evident by both his flying skills and his poor radio communication. But the controller did absolutely nothing to help him despite knowing it was a student's first solo flight and that he was dangerous, and the controller's audible frustration with him, calling him a "hazard" on frequency, and saying he "can't even land right" likely contributed to the pilot's stress. The only way the pilot's accent and nationality played a role here is that, had the pilot been a terrified-sounding white girl, the controller would've walked her through a proper landing instead of just huffily demanding a "full stop" after landing. I'm not one to cry racism very often, but I see it here.
Everything the tower said was correct he was a hazard and crashed a plane.... Our flight school didn't allow us to fly anywhere near this airport while in training simply because of the bad radio and heavy accents are a dangerous thing to have in a busy airspace
His English was poor enough that it almost certainly interfered with his ability to absorb information in his ground school classes, or to communicate with his instructor during non-solo flights, which in turn probably contributed to his abysmal airmanship. But it's not a race thing: the other student pilot had an accent from the same area of the world, but was able to communicate and fly effectively.
Yes it's apparent the pilot did not have adequate skills but it's not appropriate for the controller to order the pilot to do a full stop. The controller needs to fly the tower and the pilot needs to fly the plane.
A flight follower thanks for another great video. It would have been great if you had included the runway numbers on your overlay. The runway numbers were mentioned multiple times on this video and it would help everyone understand the situation
Welcome to capitalism, the only thing that matters is money and that’s all the school or the FAA is going to focus on… you want safe skys? Get rid of the root cause and focus on a system that revolves around people (social) instead of money (capital) duh…
You're as ignorant as your immigrant ancestors. . . If you knew anything you'd know the Chinese have been sending their students to the USA for years to train. Centralia Illinois full blown Republican voting town is home to a Chinese flight school.
"The CFI should that put him in the air should be ineligible for a commercial license." Wow, you really don't know how this works. To be a CFI, you have to have a Commercial pilot certificate ("license") with an Instrument rating, and also trained and passed the difficult CFI "license". What I wonder though, is how otten a CFI certificate is suspended or revoked for this kind of thing.
Silly me. I was under the impression that fluency in the English language was a requirement.
Fluency in English? He was so nervous he couldn’t even talk properly!
@@Flight_FollowerI don’t think we watched the same video. I heard one pilot speak English
English proficiency not required if the flight school is getting enough cash.
We have a local airport that trains a lot of Chinese kids. Not making excuses for him, but when I soloed I was pretty nervous, and I worked with all the controllers at the Air Force base I was at. If they don't have a lot of practice with English they are going to have problems.
@@jwest0402 ?
Why are these instructors letting students solo before they are ready... They should hold the instructors accountable! 🤦♂
Totally agree
Because they are all cut from the same cloth if you catch my drift.
They will.
@@Saml01 no, they are not.
one word, money
English language proficiency? Standard phraseology? Have we just given up on these concepts at this point? That’s day one of flying.
Ever heard your elected felon president talking? 😂😂😂
Welcome to cultural enrichment. Import the third world, become the third world.
Even a poor pilot eventually finds the ground.
Like here in New Zealand the Airline Academy Flight school is just pumping Indian flight students through like it’s a chicken farm, every two weeks a new batch are let loose to cause havoc and consternation amongst other VFR pilots with poor comms and traffic alerts. It’s just to get there 200 hours up for a CPL and ATPL before they are let loose in right seat B737. No experience at all, meanwhile we put our lives at risk.
What city?
I think it's time to put a word into your national safety board or call the news and have a bunch of pilots speak out. I'm sure the government will do something after the public flames them especially with all of the aviation accidents going on lately and the news really putting a spotlight on aviation
I'm sorry - 200 hours?
@@FullSendPrecisionthat’s the same as the UK and Europe I believe, pretty standard
Welcome to capitalism, the only thing that matters is money and that’s all the school or the FAA is going to focus on… you want safe skys? Get rid of the root cause and focus on a system that revolves around people (social) instead of money (capital) duh…
Rumor has it Spartan Maintenance is still calling for Riverside Ground to this day.
For anyone that has never experienced what traffic is like at Riverside Airport in Tulsa, Oklahoma… ATC there are all freakin’ rockstars. That place can get crazy busy (even compared to Denver International). I fly both for work, and each location can be equally challenging in certain ways.
To be fair, most Spartan students and instructors are able to keep up with this high op-tempo environment. I’ve been flying into the airport regularly for over a year and have never heard anything even close to this incident. But good lord this is one for the record books!!!
Is there ever any repercussions for the instructor and the flight school for releasing a menace into the air?
How do you know he wasn’t doing well with an instructor on board and he panicked his first time solo with the pressure?
@@ryanott1425 Probably for the fact that they can't speak English when it is mandatory to speak English. I doubt someone just forgets an entire language.
@ I never said people forget a whole language I said you resort to your first language in time of stress. And if you didn’t notice the pilot was using English just had a very thick accent. There are English speaking Americans with thick accents hard to understand as well. But also in this case the fact we are hearing a recording of a radio transmission can have effect on quality as well and that’s just science.
@@ryanott1425accent is fine, but there’s a point where the “accent” is so thick that the syllables aren’t being pronounced at all or correctly enough for communication to be possible.
@ by that ruling the FAA should ban any airline world wide that has a thick accent because it’s to difficult. And those airlines should be shut down forever and all controllers around the world can’t have a thick accent either.
Im Asian and don’t even know what’s going on😂
🤣 Damn…
Honestly I feel bad for the student pilot (without knowing any of the details). They’re probably just doing what they’ve been told, like “you’re ready to solo.” A lot of foreign students come to the US and have an incredible amount of pressure put on them. But they also don’t know what they don’t know.
I suppose it’s possible that the student simply had an anxiety attack or something, and everyone just interprets the situation as he’s a dumb foreigner that can’t even speak English. Who knows?
Neither did the student pilot.
I left that terrible school after only shortly attended and on the day I left I told the chief pilot his flight school is an accident waiting to happen. Not shocked at all and this is what you can expect to see of all these fast track 141 schools
I went to spartan, managed to complete (survive) the program but holy crap that place is incredibly unprofessional, the chiefs are incompetent and half of the instructors are only there to grind hours. Mostly had good instructors in my case fortunately but some of those dudes literally sit on their phones for the entire flight and not even try to teach. I'm surprised that there hasn't been any fatal accidents yet.
Will the flight school be held responsible? Or will they just continue to make unprepared pilots go up there solo?
The FAA should be having a serious conversation with them - unless the local FAA is getting their cut
The FFA is unlikely to have a clue regarding these flight schools. They can’t make money off of these schools.
@@allisshop8092If there’s a trend, they will absolutely take action. Riverside is a super busy airport and right in the FAA’s back yard.
@@allisshop8092yeah the Future Farmer of America definitely can’t do anything
These flight schools are pumping out international pilots as fast as they can. People come over from other countries and pay a set amount so the quicker turn around they can get then the more money they make. Then those 'pilots' go back home to their country and tell others that they got their license really fast at this school and they see even more business. Places like this need to be reported to the FAA and kept under close supervision. I've seen too many of these schools just accepting people no more their language level and trying to send them out to solo when they're clearly not ready just so they can get done with them and send them on their way and get the next student to fill the slot.
Spah tun 1 fa I ding da wing
It should be a requirement to speak clear english even as a student pilot. So many people (even in this video) who are clearly not able to understand ATC properly and ATC can’t understand them properly. Aviation isn’t a game. Its peoples lives in the balance. There is no room for people who cannot communicate with a controller
But the incident pilot was speaking English with a very thick accent. Sometimes an accent is more the issue than the English. Hell there are Americans that are hard to understand sometimes.
@ Thats what I’m saying. Clear english. Vocabulary, Accent, dialect. It should all be regulated. If you cannot communicate with controllers, then I’m sorry, but thats part of being a pilot
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze I would have to disagree with that some because by whose definition are you going to use on understanding their accent. What you find clear and what I find clear can be 2 vastly different things. And we also have to realize that if someone is panicked that accent could be worse and they could resort to a native tongue in times of emergency. Yes they should use English but if your ass is on the line I’m sure it’s the last thing your thinking about
@@ryanott1425 And you’re willing to bet peoples lives on that?
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze never said I was but you also have to understand what your expectation is is not very reasonable again by what standards are you gonna judge use of English? Is 1 person supposed to travel the world and interview every single pilot now and forever so there is a set standard? Thats the only way your plan works. And even that can be opinionated.
Flying is not for everyone 😖✈️
Unfreaking believable. We're talking about the busiest airspace in SoCal. How on earth is this goof signed off for a solo there? That CFI is not a CFI if he/she is signing off on these idiots.
At this point I think the 1st requirement needs to be an English competency exam before annnnyyyyuthing else.
While it's true that SoCal airspace is busy even further out than it used to be, I really don't think that it's reached Oklahoma yet . . .
@@SoloPilot6 Kinda funny, there is actually a Spartan aviation school in Riverside CA too, but they are a maint training operation. No Runway 1R/1L at Riverside CA either!
Yeah, this is southwest of Tulsa, OK
its china companies plowing these students through
Um this is Tulsa Oklahoma....
The "can speak, and understand English fluently" rule sure seems to be getting loose. 😂
Every GA pilot knows where the crappy flight schools in the area operate and avoid them like the plague. For me, it’s Purdue University and the Lafayette airport. Lift Academy in the area is great and I’ll fly around them any day. Purdue has almost killed me on several occasions.
Two pilots with heavy accents, one has already crashed and the other doesn't want directions.
The other guy's doing just fine. Forget the accent, and you hear that he has it together. He knows where he's going, and doesn't want to take up resources needed for other pilots.
Chinese accents.
@landen99 I kept it somewhat vague in case TH-cam "community standards"...lol
@@SoloPilot6he thought he was cleared to land when atc told him he was able to come back to the field...
@@pieterwasalreadytaken This confusion in the whole mess is forgivable. Other than that he was communicating properly.
Some CFI is gonna have some splainin to do…
Not really, as a check airman is not the CFIs responsibility to evaluate level 4 proficiency…
Well this is more than just English 😂
Felt like I was listening to "Deathwish".
Terrible decision by the instructor for sending him solo
The instructor and flight school are the biggest problems here, but frankly tower was also part of it.
I'm seeing a LOT of this at the moment. Really quite concerning
The instructor here should be held liable. No way this guy should have been in the air.
Someone take the CFI’s certificate away 😮
The CFI definitely should not be the only one to blame, look in the direction of the chief instructor or check airman (however the school is structured). Maybe even look at the structure of the flight school. CFI likely passed him to a check airman before sending him solo, and they were the ones who gave him the green light to send his student solo
1. The instructor is to blame for this. And the stupid airline timebuilding process that leads to it.
2. That is not English proficiency. These schools are predatory and just taking money.
Sum ting wong!!
And his copilots
wee too low, and holy fook.
Wee too low...
@@davidcarr4464Ho Lee Fook…
Ho Li Fuk.
@@AV8T0R401
Ding Bang Ow 🤣
Did the Spartan CFI's actually teach them how to land or was this the 911 training program?
Seems like the way my old man taught me to swim by throwing me off the dock.
These radio calls are awful... how do you get to a solo if you can't read back with your call sign?
Even worse if the only thing you can say is your call sign!
People complaining about the English need to understand that Asia is experiencing an enormous aviation boom and it can cost half as much or less to train a pilot in the US compared to the rest of the world. They come, cram training, and learn the absolute bare minimum English
Gravity is still the same settling anything thrown at it.
Late 1970s I was given an Iranian woman who wanted to learn. Her English wasn't too bad, but I swear there was NO WAY she was going to succeed, couldn't even understand how to taxi!
Straight and level? Forget about it.
I told her not to try anymore.
We were Part 61, not 141.
I do hope she didn't go somewhere else for "lessons"...
Some people are just not meant to fly i guess
@@Flight_FollowerOr they get them other wings for not bein able to master the metal wings!!! 👀😁
@@Flight_FollowerI never believe this when people say it. Flying isn’t genetic. There’s no specific brain function any pilot has that no other human does, every pilot knew nothing about flying at one point.
With that said, I think the realistic limiting factor is some people would take so much time learning how to fly to render it essentially impractical with finances and time involved, but I think that’s different from saying they could never do it. Idealized, yes, and real world constraints are very real which can eliminate a lot of people. But I guess for some reason it just bugs me people pretend you are either just cut out for it or not. Every pilot sucked at one point and still sucks at some things, or else there would be no reason for a debrief
Hey flight follower, thanks for another great video. As the runway numbers are mentioned multiple times, it would be really nice if you could have put the runway numbers on the overlay so that people can understand what's happening better.
Yes the pilot had inadequate skills, but the controller cannot order someone to complete a full stop landing. The controller needs to fly the tower and the pilot needs to fly the plane.
@@Sky_Burger88 Except when the pilot CANNOT fly the plane!
Runway numbers are just the magnetic runway heading to the nearest 10 degrees, plus a left/right/center designator, so runway numbers in the audio can be matched up with a runway on the map just by looking at the rough runway direction. The only issues are:
1) Fields like KDFW that have more than 3 parallel runways, in which case the extra runways have to use an adjacent runway number to the actual heading because the L/R/C designators are already taken.
2) Fields in areas with significant magnetic deviation, in which case matching up the heading shown on the map with the spoken runway number can be more difficult, but this generally isn't much of an issue in the continental US.
@JonBrase Thanks captain obvious. I know all that. I'm just trying to help him improve the quality of his videos.
I see this happening a lot lately. Always the same suspects.
wtf airport is this so I know to avoid this airspace
Spartan College of Aeronautics
KRVS Tulsa Riverside Airport
Tulsa, Oklahoma
@@AccountInactiveSpoiler alert. A lot of Chinese people go to spartan to learn to fly. Avoid at all costs
Is Tulsa where they train all of the Chinese students????
Neehow Ma is hello in Chinese (my biz partner is chinese and I live in Thailand) yeeeehaaaaaaaaaa is ride 'em ponies at a rodeo! He went to the wrong school...
these pilot mills are a disgrace
Cessna 976 is also past stage 2, ready for checkride, but readbacks are not the best. Thought it is definitely an unexpected situation.
Best be avoiding airports that have such schools and in particular this one.
These students need Duolingo, not flight training.
Speechless…🤦♀️
Gotta love 141 pilot mills. Yikes.
Rush hour: do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth!!!!
Ruined it by explaining the joke first
Jesus, he shouldn't even be in the plane, let alone by himself.
Everyone on this video except the controllers sound completely lost!
We were also “lost” while making the video
How long ago was this
Why are none of these students reading back instructions or using proper phraseology? Who cleared them to solo?
How does a student pilot like this get airborne solo? Spartan is clearly more interested in the $100 grand they get per student than aviation safety.
i don't understand 'crash landing' either you crashed or you landed. You didn't do both.
English is (by international treaty and law) required of pilots in every country in the world. It is the official language for this, everywhere. In other countries, the controllers and pilots are ALLOWED to speak to each other in their native language. But they are REQUIRED to be able to communicate in English. Some CFI certificates (and also some schools' certificates) need to be revoked.
I only had trouble understanding one of the pilots. The solo was saying he wanted to go around, but the controller was demanding full stop. The controller at that moment was wrong. If you're going by the transcriptions on screen, often they are wrong. or say "unintelligible" when they are perfectly understandable to me. (This happens on the similar competing TH-cam channels as well. I don't think any of these are done by actual pilots.)
They may be required, but they don't as I found out in e.g. Germany. At my home field in Netherlands it is mandatory to communicate in English, but for a long time the visiting Germans kept on talking German in and around the pattern. My luck I did some discovery flights in Germany, to find out the uncontrolled 'tower' talked back in German. I was flabber and unable to repeat, but after that I learned the required German AV-slang, so I understood those Germans at my home field in the pattern as well. Lesson learned: Never assume ;-) From other Dutch pilots I've heard France can be very nasty to fly to.
Painful to watch…holy f 😂
i blame that instructor... most likely an incompetent instructor, incompetent flight school. and the entire program needs to be shut down.
Seinfeld Party of Four...
What shocks me is that someone can be just a kid with very few hours of experience and become a flight instructor to teach other kids. It's insane that the system works that way.
Most people would be amazed to find out that often times the very first job a brand new pilot gets is a job to train other pilots. Lol
The training process for CFI is quite extensive. They must earn the private pilot certificate, instrument rating, commercial certificate, then the CFI rating. If you make it that far, you're probably fairly proficient.
@@sacpilot that means nothing. It means you filled in the blanks and passed the exams. Anyone can do that, as so many lousy pilots attest. But you have no experience. And you have not been around to have learned important lessons. You have not proved you are made from the right stuff, much less proved that you are good enough to teach others. By rights a CFI should be a job only given to the most experienced pilots. It should be the job you get at the end of your career, not at the beginning. But the economics of it flips that on its head.
@@marks6663If you're upset, talk to your local congressman about changing the laws of Title 14 CFR parts 61 and 141. That's the law of the land, bro.
Tell me you’ve never flown a plane and are talking out your ass without telling me
@@sacpilot Yes, and the reason why it is legal to do this is, like I said, economics. It is cheap. Like H1B visas. Also the law of the land. And that is both the problem and the reason why we have so many lousy pilots. Money corrupts any system.
In medicine, newly minted medical doctors are trained and mentored by very experienced physicians. We don't let brand new physicians be the mentors of other brand new medical students.
Bring on the H1B visas baby!
Let me tell you something I know somebody that was a commercial aviator and before 911 back in 1988 they told me about how these people came in a certain airline. Major carrier said it was OK for these people to ride along because they claimed to be, aviation students and one of the major carriers was OK for these guys to come and take notes and fly along with the captains and everybody in the cockpit
Don’t be surprised if some of these people don’t turn on us inside of this country. You’re educating the T word and yes you are. You can call me. Archie bunker all you want, but this is wrong very wrong.
It’s ridicules that spartan takes these people yet makes it next to impossible for Americans
This shouldn't be happening! There needs to be some serious policy adjustments for these foreign students!
People keep talking about the pilot's accent but I don't see how that's relevant here. It was just inexperience. He never should've been cleared for his first solo, that is evident by both his flying skills and his poor radio communication. But the controller did absolutely nothing to help him despite knowing it was a student's first solo flight and that he was dangerous, and the controller's audible frustration with him, calling him a "hazard" on frequency, and saying he "can't even land right" likely contributed to the pilot's stress. The only way the pilot's accent and nationality played a role here is that, had the pilot been a terrified-sounding white girl, the controller would've walked her through a proper landing instead of just huffily demanding a "full stop" after landing. I'm not one to cry racism very often, but I see it here.
Everything the tower said was correct he was a hazard and crashed a plane.... Our flight school didn't allow us to fly anywhere near this airport while in training simply because of the bad radio and heavy accents are a dangerous thing to have in a busy airspace
His English was poor enough that it almost certainly interfered with his ability to absorb information in his ground school classes, or to communicate with his instructor during non-solo flights, which in turn probably contributed to his abysmal airmanship. But it's not a race thing: the other student pilot had an accent from the same area of the world, but was able to communicate and fly effectively.
if you cant communicate in English you have no business flying in america
sounds like this guy is on a solo discovery flight.
Sounds like a few of these pilots barely speak English, really concerning.
The usual suspects...
complete lack of call signs, non standard terminology. What a mess.
Sure wish commenters would refrain from ridiculing the sound of Asian languages. That really doesn't add to the value of the discussion here.
Wat yu meen?
Yu Gong Cry?
For what it's worth, I agree with you. Don't let the morons get you down.
Yes it's apparent the pilot did not have adequate skills but it's not appropriate for the controller to order the pilot to do a full stop. The controller needs to fly the tower and the pilot needs to fly the plane.
A flight follower thanks for another great video. It would have been great if you had included the runway numbers on your overlay. The runway numbers were mentioned multiple times on this video and it would help everyone understand the situation
well noted sir.thanks
Captain Sum Ting Wong
This is the reason we have what we call today .....the FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION !!!
Like many other federal agencies lately, they have their issues.
The India students are the wost pilots I’ve seen.
Welcome to capitalism, the only thing that matters is money and that’s all the school or the FAA is going to focus on… you want safe skys? Get rid of the root cause and focus on a system that revolves around people (social) instead of money (capital) duh…
Current society trend, be and do whatever you want with little or no effort.
Free to be Me!
ADVISE MANDATORY --- update equipment required foreign student 1st solo Google translate Binoculars prayer book diaper sick bag and band aids AOC -
It is painfully obvious that two of the pilots “talking” on the radio are graduates of the buy-den/harrisons’ English As A Second Language class.
Get ready for the Trump green cards attached to every diploma and H1-B visas to make it 100x worse.
So your saying this will stop once tRump is in? And the lion will lie with the lamb....🤣
You're as ignorant as your immigrant ancestors. . . If you knew anything you'd know the Chinese have been sending their students to the USA for years to train. Centralia Illinois full blown Republican voting town is home to a Chinese flight school.
Not to mention Trump's wife can't even speak fluent English lol 😂
Description says this happened March 2 2017 if that helps
Cpt. Bang Ding Ow
Where is this goat track? And Spartan Aviation sucks.
The competency crisis is accelerating.
Ahhh yes why am I not surprised
was that Wei Too Lo again? 🙂
Train the foreig tudents at home
It looks like a great flight school, but being born in America and fluent in English likely disqualifies you as a potential student.
It literally does the standards for us to get in are crazy for them low
was that English? lol...
The CFI should that put him in the air should be ineligible for a commercial license.
"The CFI should that put him in the air should be ineligible for a commercial license." Wow, you really don't know how this works. To be a CFI, you have to have a Commercial pilot certificate ("license") with an Instrument rating, and also trained and passed the difficult CFI "license". What I wonder though, is how otten a CFI certificate is suspended or revoked for this kind of thing.
He cant even speak English
He only needs to fly good enough to highjack a plan.
Won hung lo
Wi Tu Lo
We should import more foreigners
what an outstanding idea. I say we need 10 million more indians into this country! Right guys? Guys...?
@@GeorgeLyddane Yoo are being racist Saar. I can help with tech support
@ never heard of sarcasm, huh?
@@cdub2529 🤣
bang ding ow
DEI Flight Instructor signed this CHICOM off to solo 😂