From what i read she had zero flying experience. The fact that she managed to land the plane and walk away from it with no injuries is just miraculous. kudos to her for landing a plane with zero training., especially considering the tragic circumstances.
Well… All I’d say is that if someone comes on over the radio yelling ‘help help, I need help’ rather than ‘mayday mayday mayday’ they’re probably not going to know where the throttle is or where the RPM display is
Passenger hit the mic button and mic from passed out pilot picking up her voice. Appears the novice figured out how to at least get the little 150 on the runway. Good job.
Man that was painful to listen to. 1. If someone is calling for help like that, quit the chatter. Save the conversations for later. Ask them if they need help, what’s happening, and how you can help. 2. Don’t assume they know how to fly an airplane by telling them to add power and climb. Pretend you’re talking to a child. Do you see the blue lever? Push it up. Do you see airspeed gauge? Push the stick forward until you see 65. Etc. 3. If they are pushing the PTT for the opposite headset, as was obviously the case, then they don’t know how to work the radio. Telling them to change freq isn’t helping anyone.
What an absolutely terrible situation for a passenger to be in. Clearly with no flight training, and a 'PIC' with a disastrous medical condition. Lucky to survive
@ yes dead give away and instant response for arm chair ATC YOUTubers. The first and second calls were brief and ATC were attempting to verify and check with their coworkers. ATC did an excellent job.
@@Johnwashere-dt2ovit wasn’t ATC you clown, it’s an uncontrolled airfield, these are other pilots you can hear talking. If you hear someone shouting for help over the radio rather than mayday along with their callsign, they probably aren’t going to be able to change radio frequencies
@@Johnwashere-dt2ovit’s obvious that it’s someone that needs help and is pushing the wrong PTT button, thus the background sound, and that they’re likely a passenger. Common sense can be used
When I get my next plane, I think I'll have a CFI give basic training to my wife and others that will fly with me, so that at least they can land the plane, if needed.
When I was a paramedic with the helicopter ambulance service, the first thing the pilots did was teach me how to land the thing at least somewhat controlled - because they said that in the even of them having any medical episode that renders them incapacitated, it would now be my responsibility to save 3 to 4 lives (theirs, mine, the doctors and potentially the patients). To this day I am 100% certain that I would have produced a total airframe loss 99 out of 100 tries, but at least I had a chance to minimize damage to occupants, so I totally get your sentiment.
Most of my many vehicles have manual transmissions; Anyone who regularly joins me on camping and other highway trips gets basic lessons on driving stick. Same argument, if I should become incapacitated and require medical attention that cannot readily locate or reach our location, it will be on them to be able to [eventually] get us help. Broadly, I think this is a good general practice in preparedness, including the inverse; For example, if you are a regular passenger with an experienced snowmobiler, you might proactively choose to get educated on basic operation and maintenance of said machines, just in case. Edit: It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't know what each of the dash lights mean, are unable to perform a proper pre-trip inspection, let alone being able to check and top up fluids or change a tire on the car they drive every day. Aviation highlights these gaps by eliminating the ability to "pull over and wait'.
I think it needs to become a requirement that in order to ride front seat in any aircraft you must demonstrate the ability to know how to use the radio, operate the throttle and the yoke. The rest we can figure out in an emergency but anyone riding front seat must be required to demonstrate those abilities. These medical emergencies are happening more often now.
On an old sailing ship on a mini tourist cruise in Brittany, the first thing in the pilot's safety instructions: he showed us how the radio works and made a test call in front of us on the VHF 16 maritime emergency channel. Yes, it would be nice to have a minimum. Seen from outside the world of aviation, it must be recognized that changing radio frequencies seems complicated compared to what we could do with current technologies? (It's a question).
I could only imagine how stressful that would be but only yelling help help isn't going to accomplish anything, how about trying to relay what the emergency in progress is and maybe state that the pilot of the aircraft is unconscious!!! 👀
A lot of times when you're startled into a panic, you need to either get out of the situation or have someone intervene to return to rational thought, so I can understand her getting stuck on that until someone started talking to her instead of over her. It's the continued gossip on the channel that drove me nuts. How do you know you're not stepping on her or someone trying to help and potentially making the situation a lot worse?
You know, funny thing, when people are in an emergency and have no idea what to do, they don’t make great decisions because they don’t know how anything works. Check yourself, you sound like my mother, and you probably have just as little room to criticize others as she does.
Panic does that to you. All rational thought and reason goes out the window and you're in fight or flight mode trying to do anything to get out of the danger.
From what i read she had zero flying experience. The fact that she managed to land the plane and walk away from it with no injuries is just miraculous. kudos to her for landing a plane with zero training., especially considering the tragic circumstances.
Well…
All I’d say is that if someone comes on over the radio yelling ‘help help, I need help’ rather than ‘mayday mayday mayday’ they’re probably not going to know where the throttle is or where the RPM display is
Agreed - very annoying response!
I’m clueless and that occurred even to me. 😳
It’s an uncontrolled airport, don’t knock the pilot for trying to do the best he could. There is not atc to help.
I think everyone assumed she was a student solo panicking.
@ no, I gathered that much myself, but still.
Passenger hit the mic button and mic from passed out pilot picking up her voice. Appears the novice figured out how to at least get the little 150 on the runway. Good job.
If she ever wants to get a ppl, give her at least 2 hrs solo credit for actually getting down on the right airfield and (mostly) in one piece!
Man that was painful to listen to.
1. If someone is calling for help like that, quit the chatter. Save the conversations for later. Ask them if they need help, what’s happening, and how you can help.
2. Don’t assume they know how to fly an airplane by telling them to add power and climb. Pretend you’re talking to a child. Do you see the blue lever? Push it up. Do you see airspeed gauge? Push the stick forward until you see 65. Etc.
3. If they are pushing the PTT for the opposite headset, as was obviously the case, then they don’t know how to work the radio. Telling them to change freq isn’t helping anyone.
What an absolutely terrible situation for a passenger to be in. Clearly with no flight training, and a 'PIC' with a disastrous medical condition. Lucky to survive
imagine being the clueless guy telling a desperate passenger to switch the radio to guard
At that point in time he had no information to know any different
@@Johnwashere-dt2ov a crying passenger asking for help help help on the radio is no giveaway? that was honestly a waste of radio bandwidth
@ yes dead give away and instant response for arm chair ATC YOUTubers. The first and second calls were brief and ATC were attempting to verify and check with their coworkers. ATC did an excellent job.
@@Johnwashere-dt2ovit wasn’t ATC you clown, it’s an uncontrolled airfield, these are other pilots you can hear talking. If you hear someone shouting for help over the radio rather than mayday along with their callsign, they probably aren’t going to be able to change radio frequencies
@@Johnwashere-dt2ovit’s obvious that it’s someone that needs help and is pushing the wrong PTT button, thus the background sound, and that they’re likely a passenger. Common sense can be used
When I get my next plane, I think I'll have a CFI give basic training to my wife and others that will fly with me, so that at least they can land the plane, if needed.
When I was a paramedic with the helicopter ambulance service, the first thing the pilots did was teach me how to land the thing at least somewhat controlled - because they said that in the even of them having any medical episode that renders them incapacitated, it would now be my responsibility to save 3 to 4 lives (theirs, mine, the doctors and potentially the patients). To this day I am 100% certain that I would have produced a total airframe loss 99 out of 100 tries, but at least I had a chance to minimize damage to occupants, so I totally get your sentiment.
Most of my many vehicles have manual transmissions; Anyone who regularly joins me on camping and other highway trips gets basic lessons on driving stick. Same argument, if I should become incapacitated and require medical attention that cannot readily locate or reach our location, it will be on them to be able to [eventually] get us help.
Broadly, I think this is a good general practice in preparedness, including the inverse; For example, if you are a regular passenger with an experienced snowmobiler, you might proactively choose to get educated on basic operation and maintenance of said machines, just in case.
Edit: It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't know what each of the dash lights mean, are unable to perform a proper pre-trip inspection, let alone being able to check and top up fluids or change a tire on the car they drive every day. Aviation highlights these gaps by eliminating the ability to "pull over and wait'.
Those guys yakking on the radio were about as useful as an afterburner on a turtle.
Wow she did great, not great help from ground. This could've been bad
How crazy is that!
What’s ur rpm lmaoooo she’s clearly a passenger
I think it needs to become a requirement that in order to ride front seat in any aircraft you must demonstrate the ability to know how to use the radio, operate the throttle and the yoke. The rest we can figure out in an emergency but anyone riding front seat must be required to demonstrate those abilities. These medical emergencies are happening more often now.
On an old sailing ship on a mini tourist cruise in Brittany, the first thing in the pilot's safety instructions: he showed us how the radio works and made a test call in front of us on the VHF 16 maritime emergency channel.
Yes, it would be nice to have a minimum.
Seen from outside the world of aviation, it must be recognized that changing radio frequencies seems complicated compared to what we could do with current technologies? (It's a question).
Instructors should offer courses for right seaters teaching them how to land in case of emergencies.
Did the PIC survive
What's your RPM? That was his most pressing question?
Yes. Of course it would be. Only thing more important would be altitude and they can see that with their own eyes.
It sure is, altitude saves lives.
Ridiculous lackadaisical attitude by everyone involved except the person calling for help. You all should be greatly ashamed!
My God, that has to be a helpless feeling from ATC and her. It doesnt get any worse than this does it?
@@psinclairjr atc didn’t seem too bothered
Since it’s an uncontrolled airport, there was no atc. The pilots just make their call outs and are responsible for separation.
@ gotcha thanks i missed that it was uncontrolled
@@Fireandbubbles What ATC?
I could only imagine how stressful that would be but only yelling help help isn't going to accomplish anything, how about trying to relay what the emergency in progress is and maybe state that the pilot of the aircraft is unconscious!!! 👀
A lot of times when you're startled into a panic, you need to either get out of the situation or have someone intervene to return to rational thought, so I can understand her getting stuck on that until someone started talking to her instead of over her. It's the continued gossip on the channel that drove me nuts. How do you know you're not stepping on her or someone trying to help and potentially making the situation a lot worse?
@JDrapic That's a good point!
You know, funny thing, when people are in an emergency and have no idea what to do, they don’t make great decisions because they don’t know how anything works. Check yourself, you sound like my mother, and you probably have just as little room to criticize others as she does.
Panic does that to you. All rational thought and reason goes out the window and you're in fight or flight mode trying to do anything to get out of the danger.
Did she even have a headset on?? It sounded like her voice was going through the pilot's mic.
Date? Time? Made up? How about some context.
18 oct 2024, KGVL, pilot incapacitated during flight, died two days later, pax ok.