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Yeah right. Whenever smt happens, it‘s the Russians right. Keep believing western propaganda

Thank you 🙏

You don’t know the whole story. Neither do I, but I do know a little more that answers the question as to why he departed VFR. The 14s were in use for take off. But he was at max weight for takeoff and required 32 for takeoff to meet his performance requirements. He was told that if he wanted 32, he would have a 45 min delay. So they decided to depart VFR instead of waiting 45 min. Also, you can’t give a pilot deviation to a foreign pilot. The FAA can only contact the authorities in their country and let them deal with it.

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 thanks for the info, but why couldn't he just use 14R? I've seen globals take off max weight from there all the time. Wonder if there was just a breakdown in communication between bfi tower, seatac departure, and the pilot. Oh interesting, I don't have any experience with foreign pilots, but that makes a lot more sense then

@@roguesqadronairsoft I don’t know why he couldn’t take off from 14, but I’m assuming it was wind related. Maybe 14 had a few knots tailwind? I heard some people say it was an obstacle clearance issue, that might be the case too. But the thing is, if you decide to depart VFR, those obstacles are no longer a factor either, since you can “see” them.

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 yeah maybe they didn't have the required performance to perform the departure, but I find that unlikely. The winds might have been a bigger factor, cause often times the flow is dictated by SEA's winds and not BFI's, so even though SEA has a headwind, BFI could have a tailwind and they can't change runways due to SEA's priority. So more than likely the winds were out of Vista's OpSpecs

They are not oblivious. They made a mistake by not communicating their intentions properly.

You missed a lot of things. First of all, he didn’t have an airliner takeoff from 14. That airliner took off from SeaTac, a totally different airport. Runway 14 was in use. Vista was at max takeoff weight and couldn’t use 14, due to performance limitations and needed 32. They were told to expect a 45 min delay. They discussed with ground if they could depart VFR and pick up the clearance in the air. This was confirmed by ground. By the time the passengers arrived, nobody in the tower was aware of their plan. So when they called for an VFR departure, they should’ve told the tower their intentions. They didn’t.

It’s legal to take off without an IFR clearance in VFR conditions, sometimes useful as well. In uncongested airspace it can save you a lot of time with no real downside. However, in congested airspace it really puts an unnecessarily high workload on controllers and saturates the radio frequency making it very difficult for anybody else to get a word in. Much better to just pick it up on the ground, as this recording clearly demonstrates. Even in situations where you want to do something weird (like a sightseeing lap around the pattern) still better to just have the clearance on the ground and communicate the extra request verbally.

@@m.aviator99a bit more happened here. Runway in use was 14. Due to being at max weight, he needed 32 for take off, which goes against not only the traffic there, but at seatec as well. He was told that if he needed 32, he would get a 45 min delay. So his plan was to depart VFR and pick up his IFR clearance in the air. The problem is, he didn’t discuss this with the tower.

Can feel it 🤣

You’ve probably never flown a medium size or larger jet at max takeoff weight, but this is not unusual and has nothing to do with “stick and rudder” skills. A 747 is limited to 15° bank at heavy weights, until the speed is 40 knots above flap retraction speed.

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That's one hell of a tailwind.

So yeah, completely on the pilots.

It was filed IFR according to reports the time (2019). VFR departure was due obstacles, was not filed as a VFR plan all the way to Athens lol

@@foobarf8766 I have no idea what you mean by this, or if I am understanding you, I have no idea why they would do this for "obstacles". That is not how any of this works.

Still not a bad idea to let tower know just to confirm and say "we intend to pick up our ifr in the air" and tower will then get things ready.

No such thing as obtaining a clearance to obtain IFR in the air. He could’ve discussed it with a different controller, but a controller won’t give anyone a clearance for that. If you take of VFR, which is your right, the pilot is responsible to maintain traffic separation and is responsible for airspace. They can request and IFR in the air, but it’s not guaranteed that this will happen without delays.

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The craziest part is this was an international clearance. Who in their right mind even thinks to attempt? Bonkers.

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FAA has no jurisdiction over a foreign pilots license.

The FAA still has the power to restrict him from flying in US airspace. Just because you're a foreign pilot doesn't mean it's a free-for-all in US Airspace and you can do whatever you want. I'm guessing his he is a foreign pilot but that is not for certain. The FAA has a lot of power.

@@mountaindune83 the FAA does not have a lot of power over foreign licensed pilots. Yes, they could ban a pilot from the US, but there is no way to police this. How would the FAA know if that pilot flies in the US again? They don’t have eyes in every cockpit. The FAA would forward this to the pilot’s country authorities and let them handle it. If those authorities do not punish the pilot, the FAA would assume the authorities heard the side of the pilots and made the right decision. I’ve personally been on the opposite side of this. A German controller claimed we were out of radio contact in their airspace. They forwarded everything to the FAA including a transcript of the radio communication. We gave the FAA our explanation and the FAA sided with us, not the German controller.

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 So what you're saying is that foreign pilots can do whatever and absolutely anything they want to in US Airspace? Really? Flying over the White House, if you are a foreign pilot, no problem! Really? You are also saying that the US doesn't know who the pilots are that come into our country? They don't have to go through any security checks at the airports and their ID's are never scanned by the TSA? Tell me, which airports are not screening pilots when they arrive at the airport for a flight? I would like to report these airports to the FAA. I'm waiting.

@@mountaindune83 I never said that pilots can do whatever they want. That’s ridiculous. If they bust rules in the US, the FAA will let the authorities of that country handle it. If the FAA feels that a country is not handling this correctly, not once, but a pattern, the FAA will have a discussion with that authority and if needed, take action against that authority in that country. This is how certain African countries are banned from flying in the US. The TSA is not the FAA. Besides, no, we don’t “scan” our badges. Our badges do nothing. We enter countries through immigration with our passports. In the USA, as with most countries, immigration has nothing to do with the FAA. In 32 years of flying, not an airport in the world has ever “scanned” my badge. My badge only works at the home airport to open certain doors.

Pop up IFR isn't that hard. It's pretty common practice actually. Completely safe too because they are instrument rated and capable. The dangerous part was how the controller was handling them. Seemed to be throwing them into the paths of other aircraft taking off and landing, and asking them to over bank.

@@landen99 not at all common and insanely dangerous from BFI with SEA and RNT instrument traffic all within about 5 miles.

He has discussed it with ground though might have been a good job to confirm with tower and say "we're going to pick up ifr in the air"

I love this pilot 🙏

Yeah wtaf 😮

Very Interesting 😂

Hats off this ATC.

He got NATCA award for his great work

Fantastic controller 🙏

Great controller