As something of a Reaper main, I approve of the "Reaper is still pretty mid" take. Kinda of relieved to see someone admit it. He seems worse for wear after the big update. Before, I felt like I had gotten to the point where I could kinda steamroll other DPS at close range, but these days, I feel like I've been losing a lot more of those close engagements against other DPS. It feels like Soldier and Mei have been giving me more trouble than they used to. Some potential reasons: His relative health advantage vs. the average DPS is lower. His guns are already pretty forgiving for good aim; I don't think the projectile size update helped me nearly as much (can't really say I've noticed a difference for him) as it helped characters like Soldier or Sombra. Recently, it felt like Soldier can just look my direction and shred me. Also, they can impair his healing, which I feel like was a big part of him surviving those close range duels.
As an Echo main, she's fantastic right now. I can carry games on her that I couldn't on other characters I focus on (like Sombra). She's so so so much fun!
It was obvious to me that ball was going to be much better in s9. He literally doesn't care at all about the DPS passive, or bigger projectiles , got 75 armor and one of the few tanks that benefits from the new passive. I didn't expect him to be S tier though
@@ZarelidTSkirt, while I don't know the exact definitions the way I've seen it been used is to get by. When he says her shield can skirt the passive he means she can get by the passive using the sheild
Moira's only B? I found her to be one of the easiest supports to carry with now. Even for top players like ML7 I've been seeing them run so many Moira Lucio games.
she's definitely high a tier. she's stupidly hard to kill, basically functions as a dps, has a crazy strong ult, can fade in to chase and then fade out if in trouble. her range is filthy too. if you don't have crazy aim and reflexes, moira can dominate a lobby by picking off everybody. moira in b tier is an insane take.
Lifeweaver Main here. I understand your definitions of his ability effectiveness, but I think his Burst Healing and damage sustain is pretty powerful if used properly. He also has really good movement and survivability compared to say- Zenyatta and Ana.
i believe they need to do something about moira skill floor. If this hero is even better than Ana, you just know she absolutely dominating low elo right now, no contest.
Found your channel a week or so ago due to your tank guide for season 9. And i gotta say my dude you have some of the most informative and concise ow2 content out there definitely glad i subbed! Keep up the great work my dude
Hanzo feels terrible right now. He only feels good when you're already rolling a team, where you would have done just as well or provably better on another hero. Absolutely lost carry or clutch potential when your team is weaker. Never solo queue with him, Ashe is the better pick. They have 2 options to make this hero viable: 1) Give him 5 extra damage and revert his Storm Arrow cooldown. 2) Reduce his damage and significantly increase his rate of fire and arrow speed. He would probably require a full rework as Storm would be redundant. He would need to lose all his weaknesses as a sniper to make him a viable duelist. This runs the risk of making him either a weaker or stronger Ashe (he kinda already is a weaker Ashe with his only advantages being that he can oneshot Widow and Tracer - heroes that he does NOT want to duel). Option 1 is simply the better change.
Lmao you think that's bad? Buddy you don't know the half of it. I can't get a single buff for my character because she's hard to balance and people literally send death threats to nerf this character. Not Sombra but Symmetra. I am a one trick Symmetra main and she is in desperate need of a shake up. I would love for her to get a flat 2-3% damage buff and a shorter cast time on both her turrets and TP so that way I can play dive flank sym but guess what. I can't have those things because people will borderline complain that she's overpowered. So if you get a Hanzo buff I want a sym buff. She desperately needs one because her TP and lack of flat damage is what holds her back.
People are currently getting rolled by good Hanzo players who are still stuck in ranks below their last season rating due to the weakness of the hero. The only ones that can climb are the ones who will duo with a selfish Mercy pocket. Both teams hate this.
As a onetrick Moria main I absolutely can not play mercy at all. My brain just can't comprehend how to play mercy. Yes I know pocket the DPS not it's all said and done when you have no movement tech. That streamer that was moving around like a fly with mercy. I can't do that. I'm a console player so that's probably why I can't play mercy at all.
I think these tierlists would make more sense if you focused on high rank rather than across all skill levels because we should be talking about heroes within their full potential. I realize you're trying to cover a broad audience but this compromise makes it so the tierlist is all over the place at the moment. Perhaps something to consider for other content creators as well. Appreciate it none the less. 🙏🏼
Moira is definitely an A this season imo best escape on a support, tiny hitbox, increased range and damage and most importantly, Ana isn’t as good this season and every season Ana is worst Moira is better. Imo a better pick than brig so at least needs to be A. Outside of that agreed with the list for the most part.
You should add some more eco friendly tiers to your Patreon in the future :). The $5 one is a great price but it would be cool if there was like $10-$15 for like a vod review or two
Lifeweaver's pull is a spectacular ability what do you mean? In some cases better than Suzu at clutch saves since no amount of tp suzu will save Rein from being dove by 4ppl. Sure you're giving up space but you know what gives up space more than pull? Your tank dying.
Idk if it's my rank (anywhere between bronze 1 and gold 2 depending on the role, but played up to plat 3) but Moira seems really good. Impossible to kill, and consistantly both top dmg and top heal of the whole server.
Moira is mid A above Kiri. She has high mobility, serviceability, and easy consistent damage. She also can put alot of hurt on Lucio who is in S tier. Mercy is D tier, F tier for being fun to play. Her mobility is still there, but if you use it you wind up being farmed out of the air like a balloon pretty easy now. Half her kit, healing is generally diminished in value right now, and she has no burst healing. I have found her best just blue beaming as much as possible behind cover, which makes for a very unfun game play. Mercy-main here that is playing 100% dps this season after 5 days of S9.
I think Ana would be so much better if they even make the slightest adjustment to the dps passive. Like -5% on what it currently does. The nade does feel good for burst healing since it’s weaker… but obviously you’d rather just spam them at the other team. Feels like she’s still a decent pick
Writing this on the hanzo comment. I think it would be healtier for the game to make easy to play hitscans harder rather than high skill heros like hanzo easier. It is pretty clear i would start with mercy and moira.
Ill be completely honest. As a Widowmaker main I actually hate the Widow changes. I'd rather have bigger hitboxes then further distance cuz the problem with her is no matter how far you are anyway you have dive meta that's a thing there are some characters that can literally kill you quicker then you can even scope. Go on yell skill issue. On console it feels HORRENDOUS to his ANYTHING because WHATS THE POINT OF MAKING HITBOXES LARGER IF U MAKE THE BULLET SMALLER?! Id rather be able to hit the target then have a small bullet thats irrelative if a target shifts left and right constantly. Just know I put 500+ on aim training but the amount of changes the game goes through makes it IMPOSSIBLE to adapt to a playstyle
Shes the best support overall across all ranks. Heal orb can burn thru dps passive, her dmg is wild and her survivability is amazing. Coal is also unaffected by global ult charge nerf. Mauga is also easy A
Brig isn't underrated this season, every brig main streamer or player ik is having a horrible time and speaks abt it. You described s8 Brig, but now you can't defend any dive or occupy space w/o dying. You play to block ability like rock or nade and when you see the shadow of an ennemy you run away. For the winrate it's tricky since it's a very situational hero. Her wr dropped for abt 5 or 6% at all tank, now even when being picked only in good matchup (what most player do) you still get rolled and feel like you have a low impact. She needs the 80dmg whip she had and a 300 to 350hp shield to be viable
ball is decent in ranked, but in pro play hes like C tier due to people being able to fully ignore him. i watched chazms owcs journey and against sheer cold they where just ignoring him. but most of the time especially below gm he is good
I had a good hanzo rework idea so I turned hanzo into a timing type of character kinda like Nanami from jjk So hanzo will have 2 modes storm arrow and standers mode If he press storm arrow Hanzo will have permanent storm arrows but they don’t do insane amounts of dmg kinda like ash you could balance it any other way but ya And for his standerd form he’s exactly the same but if you time the shot before it leaves the bow by right clicking or by right trigger four effects happen .1 nothing changes this happens when you’re late or to early on the draw .2 the arrow goes slightly faster and inflicts a tiny hinder effect 3.if you were very close to the draw the arrow is now 2x as fast and now can inflict a anti effect only to the head well the hinder is beefed up 4. This is when you perfectly time note this is extremely hard to do consistently the arrow goes 4x as fast didn’t hinder but inflicts the doom punch effect on the body and stuns well doing more dmg in the body plus it can one shot And gives hanzo more ult charge this will also look visually pleasing kinda like a black flash but blue What you think? Again it’s not perfect
Lol ... I only played Hanzo ... now I don't feel bad uninstalling OW after the nerf! I don't need a bigger hit box. I normally duel with widow and I hit ...now he has no more the power to compete against widow anymore... wtf. I rarely use vision. I just like the way he hits. The delay etc ... now I only play BF2042 ...there I can play the Ghostmaker which performance equal (tho a LOT harder to play with in general). RIP alt-sniper.
Speaking as a Tank Main, mainly a Rein Player, this season just sucks if you look at rein right, he is dog water. Tho with dive being this good, I learned dva and winston and its so much fun playing these its amazing. Sure I miss the Rein playstyle and the rein mirrors but the dive meta just is fun to play. So its an amazing season fair to say, tho tanks have it not easy cause you not reaaaaallly a "Tank", cause you explode pretty easily
Lol its odd people keep calling tracer S tier when she's dependent on ball or dva. Without them...well good luck haha bc just like sombra, she can't be back lining hoping for 1v1s...ain't happening 😂 solid A for sure but very comp and map dependent
Don’t know what rank you are but in my Gm 3 games tracer is picked every single match regardless of who you have on your team. She’s the best solo q hero and can carry the entire game by herself. Tracer doesn’t need supports or be “map dependent” to work. She is the best dps in the game at the moment and can easily carry games if you know how to play her. Which is why a lot of low elo (diamond below) struggle with her because they haven’t mastered how she plays
@@Occurredcx how you deal with Moira f.e.? I really like Tracer but i have problems against a few heros. Moira can just rightclick and do constant dmg to you + fade + heal/dmg orb and i see many moiras these days (im just gold elo). And when just 1 other Teammate from Moira realize you are in their backline you have even more problems with Tracer vs Moira. I often switch to hitscan hero then, because im not good enough yet with tracer against Moira.
@@GreenTea359 it 100% depends on your team composition and their team there’s a lot of diffrent factors in dealing with if they have a Moria. For basic purposes let’s just say it’s you and Moria in a 1v1 no one else interfering. You have to hit almost all your shots before you use blink. You wont beat moria in a 1v1 without off angling her. You cant kite her bc her grasp theres no point. You will have to time ur recall right. Her biggest thing that makes her hard to kill is her fade. I would get her low at the start wsit till she uses fade (depends if she panics or not) in gold they would press it before they needed too. Re position urself behind her or not in front of her and try to finish her. There’s way more to it then that but that’s all I can explain without going into tons of other things😂😂 In short if you don’t wanna read all that: 1v1 moria with tracer Force out fade Blink to her blind spots Recall at the right time Biggest thing for her is her fade DONT waste your recall too early or you are dead 100% Honestly I wouldn’t even focus on her in gold go for their other support or their dps unless u see Moria faded already and is low then pick her off. That’s all I can really tell u for rn at least yk hope it helped 😂😂
Bro put 2/4 of my main DPS’s in C tier :(. I swap to Cassidy the moment I see a Sombra and straight up bully them to where they just swap off. I love playing Hanzo, and this season has really limited him to this aggressive, damage / accuracy play style because 1 shots are no longer a real thing, you just need to keep outputting mad damage from the get go, keep cycling the sonic arrow and just dropping storm arrows towards whatever is Red. I found my self with lesser kills as Hanzo, but oh god did the damage numbers go up
I’m curious if your opinion on Hanzo has changed at all since this comment? I thought the patch was going to ruin him but I found that I can still be pretty aggressive and effective. Only real change is I have to pay more attention to my storm arrow usage.
@@RudimentalNico Kinda, my thoughts are still the same regarding Hanzo, but my overall attitude towards the update has actually changed. I think there needs to be an adjustment to the damage falloff on a lot of the DPS characters: Hanzo and Cassidy are the first to come to mind. It just feels inconsistent: At one range, I'm doing amazing damage, and on the other hand it feels like I'm just scaring people and forcing them to hide, at which they then regain health passively. I'm still getting used to the passive health regeneration but I am all for it: It allows players to remain in the fight vs just running away or getting sent back to spawn. I will say, thanks to these changes: I found myself playing different DPS's and not just sticking to the handful that I rotate through. All in all, I don't mind the update.
@@ZClaireVoyanceZReinhardt got several damage buffs (one to his Hammer damage and the other to his Charge damage), whereas Tanks like Sigma and Ramattra did not receive any damage buffs. Also, Reinhardt's barrier is the best Tank tool in the game to stop the DPS passive from triggering.
@@michaelc7418 okay as a rein enjoyer I have to point out his shield is not better than sigmas who can put out sheild and fire. Next thing range characters against melee is always in the range players favor. And the ones who have to get close are pretty good a brawling and with their tank who is either a junkerQ, ram, or zarya. Who are all much much better than rein. He just can't keep up. His health and shield are already so low by the time he gets to the team. He can try but he's a sitting duck 90% of the time
@@ZClaireVoyanceZ Playing Rein with a Lucio makes Rein so much better. Having that 25% Speed Boost essentially makes Rein's barrier 25% harder to break before he closes the distance, and since they put more power in his Hammer Swings to counter act heroes having more HP, but didn't buff Fire Strike, that means Lucio is more important than ever to pair with Rein.
Why is JQ so good? I played her a few times and got completly stomped, but im a bad tank overall :) Her Knife throw is a skillshot, you have to be really close for your melee atk, you dont heal yourself thas much like Hog, you dont have any shield like other tanks, she doesnt negate any incoming Dmg like DVA or Sigma, her shout and the smaller Hitbox is nice but she takes alot of ressources from the Team. This is btw a serious Question because i dont know how to play her. Why She is A Tier on every Tierlist, what are the benefits compared to other tanks? :)
As a gm tank since overwatch 1 imma try an explain the simple reasons she's viable. Her knife throw is helpful to pull targets out of position so you and your team can try rush them and kill them (usually using shout ) her axe is good what you should be doing is standing behind cover waiting for someone to try get close enough or it can be used if a Winton or something dives in and the main reason she is good is decent damage mixed with her survivability witch is meta this season btw but tbh its hard to explain why she's good but I do recommend trying her
Queen is pretty strong but you have to hit her abilities, if you don't you will be considerable punished by it. She has decent mobility and good sustain, but it's her damage and pick off potential that makes her a very dangerous threat. And besides her kit being very fluid and versatile, her ultimate is probably one of the best in the game since it negates heal.
Lifeweaver being F tier is laughable. He is the best at breaking shields out of all the healers. He has an auto aim heal and great dps that allows him to get his tree much quicker. I believe the main issue is people still don’t know how to play him properly after this season 9 rework. People are still trying to use him as a heal bot rather than dps’ing more with him and heal when it’s necessary. Of course everyone can be good in the right hands but this season I feel you get way more value with a Lifeweaver on your team oppose to an Ana or Mercy. Even Kiriko, depending on how she’s played, Suzu is her saving grace.
Personally think Cree/cass is at least Atier currently. Grenade, health, and hitscan capabilities make him a solid counter to many of the top tiers this season
A few are way off. Rein is F and is almost unplayable. Ashe being better than either soldier or Sojourn demonstrates a lack of understanding of the DPS passive. Mercy is hard D. Doom and Ball are both A.
Sojourn has yet to fall from S tier. Especially being much easier to hit shots. Sombra- cooldown nerf/ Moira needs damage ball nerf. 90% Moira users just play dps and rarely heal which ruins ranked games
My per boy lifeweavey, I just like to do the funnt with him, like slingshot cassidy and others into the backline with ult, also he was fun, now he dead
Reaper is bad because the dps passive also hits him very hard, hope they increase the lifesteal next season or maybe the damage a little bit as he was at end of Ow1 with 120 damage per shot 🤔
As a character i hate LW. last few games ive played i was being pulled at full hp from high ground, pulled into enemy ults. pulled out of my ult. LW is a throw pic and i honestly wont play with lw. i would honestly rather be banned than to play with lw now.
Rather annoyed that Orisa is lower than D.va, as something of a Orisa main, I always destroy D.vas with no sweat and it's not like I'm an insane tank or anyting, I'm just in Silver 1 for tank!
The thing that let us know junkrat is really bad even after the buffs is that the normal thing among high junkrat mains is to go on negative winrates most of the times (Example: today vulture ended stream at 6wins and 14 losses)
Yall stop complaining about timestamps the reason he doesn’t put them is because it’s important to know why every character is good/bad because they all affect each other.
Well you are correct it's rough for Support especially Ana bc of the HP increase however her Nate is still insane and game winning when you have the perfect timing! Overall it's very nice that Support isn't OP anymore! Tank and DPS have true impact on the game now
Yall are wrong about mercy man. I say, "Yall" because all you pc content creators rate her so low. Blue beam has never been more oppressive considering the dps passive. Add a zen orb to that and you'll want to leave the game and never return. This feeling is tripled if you're a tank.
Symmetra in C tier? LOL!!!! She has a 46% WR in S9, she's the single worst dps. Her PR has always been low but now it's 0.59%. Once again, content creators know nothing about her.
Timestamps
00:50 Ana
2:58 Ashe
4:22 Baptiste
5:45 Bastion
6:41 Brigitte
7:50 Cassidy
8:32 Doomfist
10:32 D.Va
11:33 Echo
12:30 Genji
14:40 Hanzo
17:06 Illari
18:50 Junkrat
20:17 Kiriko
21:37 Lifeweaver
23:28 Lucio
25:03 Mauga
25:52 Mei
26:35 Mercy
28:01 Moira
29:37 Orisa
30:45 Pharah
32:01 Wrecking ball
34:03 Ramattra
35:26 Reaper
36:20 Reinhardt
37:11 Roadhog
37:58 Sigma
38:45 Sojourn
39:15 Soldier 76
40:14 Sombra
41:04 Symmetra
41:38 Torbjorn
42:20 Tracer
42:36 Widowmaker
45:05 Winston
46:00 Zarya
46:54 Zenyatta
47:41 Junker Queen
48:10 final rankings
Ty 🙏
Added to the video ty GOAT
Congrats you just worked for him for free now he can continue to be lazy
@@tjf73but to do a video 49 min isn't work?
@@tjf73 I did it for the viewers
As something of a Reaper main, I approve of the "Reaper is still pretty mid" take. Kinda of relieved to see someone admit it. He seems worse for wear after the big update. Before, I felt like I had gotten to the point where I could kinda steamroll other DPS at close range, but these days, I feel like I've been losing a lot more of those close engagements against other DPS. It feels like Soldier and Mei have been giving me more trouble than they used to.
Some potential reasons:
His relative health advantage vs. the average DPS is lower. His guns are already pretty forgiving for good aim; I don't think the projectile size update helped me nearly as much (can't really say I've noticed a difference for him) as it helped characters like Soldier or Sombra. Recently, it felt like Soldier can just look my direction and shred me. Also, they can impair his healing, which I feel like was a big part of him surviving those close range duels.
As an Echo main, she's fantastic right now. I can carry games on her that I couldn't on other characters I focus on (like Sombra). She's so so so much fun!
what rank? i feel like anything higher than mid plat the hitscan would wreck echo/pharah unless ur cracked
@@SeanStaxxMusicEcho Beam is *_VERY_* strong right now. Last night in Diamond I watched Echo get a beam triple-kill like she was Symmetra
I'm in diamond rn and I haven't had a single game where I was like "damn that's a good echo"
@@SeanStaxxMusic Mid silver. But I've been all the way up to plat with her and Sombra previous to this season.
@ampheia you play sombre in silver that's just evil
It was obvious to me that ball was going to be much better in s9. He literally doesn't care at all about the DPS passive, or bigger projectiles , got 75 armor and one of the few tanks that benefits from the new passive. I didn't expect him to be S tier though
Survivability is meta and he's always been designed just for Survivability
Something a lot of people forget about Brig this season is that because of her shield she can actually largely skirt the DPS passive.
Skirt? Wut?
@@ZarelidTSkirt, while I don't know the exact definitions the way I've seen it been used is to get by.
When he says her shield can skirt the passive he means she can get by the passive using the sheild
@@ZarelidTmust be new interwebz lingo
@@emptysoul2757it’s not… at all. In this context, it’s synonymous with the word bypass. Stay in school kids
@@jareddautremont9248 keep coping, soft hands.
Moira's only B? I found her to be one of the easiest supports to carry with now. Even for top players like ML7 I've been seeing them run so many Moira Lucio games.
she's definitely high a tier. she's stupidly hard to kill, basically functions as a dps, has a crazy strong ult, can fade in to chase and then fade out if in trouble. her range is filthy too. if you don't have crazy aim and reflexes, moira can dominate a lobby by picking off everybody.
moira in b tier is an insane take.
Lifeweaver Main here. I understand your definitions of his ability effectiveness, but I think his Burst Healing and damage sustain is pretty powerful if used properly. He also has really good movement and survivability compared to say- Zenyatta and Ana.
i believe they need to do something about moira skill floor. If this hero is even better than Ana, you just know she absolutely dominating low elo right now, no contest.
i have less than 200 hours on the game and i got to high plat learning the entire game through Moira. She might need to be nerfed ngl
No, she doesnt. Stop throwing that shit around, smh. @@lowuhs
As someone who's low elo, she dominates low elo cuz she's basically got aimbot and an orb that does like 40dps or some crazy number that idk.
At high level Doom is very popular. Like him and Queen pair well with lucio/kiri/tracer/echo as you can run people over essentially.
Found your channel a week or so ago due to your tank guide for season 9. And i gotta say my dude you have some of the most informative and concise ow2 content out there definitely glad i subbed! Keep up the great work my dude
Respect the take on cassidy, he’s always been popular and thats often misconstrued for power.
Hanzo feels terrible right now. He only feels good when you're already rolling a team, where you would have done just as well or provably better on another hero. Absolutely lost carry or clutch potential when your team is weaker. Never solo queue with him, Ashe is the better pick.
They have 2 options to make this hero viable:
1) Give him 5 extra damage and revert his Storm Arrow cooldown.
2) Reduce his damage and significantly increase his rate of fire and arrow speed. He would probably require a full rework as Storm would be redundant. He would need to lose all his weaknesses as a sniper to make him a viable duelist. This runs the risk of making him either a weaker or stronger Ashe (he kinda already is a weaker Ashe with his only advantages being that he can oneshot Widow and Tracer - heroes that he does NOT want to duel).
Option 1 is simply the better change.
Lmao you think that's bad? Buddy you don't know the half of it. I can't get a single buff for my character because she's hard to balance and people literally send death threats to nerf this character. Not Sombra but Symmetra. I am a one trick Symmetra main and she is in desperate need of a shake up. I would love for her to get a flat 2-3% damage buff and a shorter cast time on both her turrets and TP so that way I can play dive flank sym but guess what. I can't have those things because people will borderline complain that she's overpowered. So if you get a Hanzo buff I want a sym buff. She desperately needs one because her TP and lack of flat damage is what holds her back.
@Zero-rj6re she needs a small buff I do really hope they never make her meta just because it's unfun to play against
@@Zero-rj6re I play the hero lol, I know
he's an abomination of a hero, just don't touch him
dVA guide would be appreciated thanks!
People are currently getting rolled by good Hanzo players who are still stuck in ranks below their last season rating due to the weakness of the hero. The only ones that can climb are the ones who will duo with a selfish Mercy pocket. Both teams hate this.
As a onetrick Moria main I absolutely can not play mercy at all. My brain just can't comprehend how to play mercy. Yes I know pocket the DPS not it's all said and done when you have no movement tech. That streamer that was moving around like a fly with mercy. I can't do that. I'm a console player so that's probably why I can't play mercy at all.
I think these tierlists would make more sense if you focused on high rank rather than across all skill levels because we should be talking about heroes within their full potential. I realize you're trying to cover a broad audience but this compromise makes it so the tierlist is all over the place at the moment.
Perhaps something to consider for other content creators as well.
Appreciate it none the less. 🙏🏼
Agreed
Subbed and waiting on the Dva guide.
Moira is definitely an A this season imo best escape on a support, tiny hitbox, increased range and damage and most importantly, Ana isn’t as good this season and every season Ana is worst Moira is better. Imo a better pick than brig so at least needs to be A.
Outside of that agreed with the list for the most part.
Also dive is meta which is where she thrives
using persona music is such a W
“Genji isn’t the best to one trick”
Every genji main ever: “And I took that personally!”
"it's a rough season for rein"
Sir. It's been rough since the start of OV2. Bliz just needs to balance OV2 around him tbh.
You should add some more eco friendly tiers to your Patreon in the future :). The $5 one is a great price but it would be cool if there was like $10-$15 for like a vod review or two
Lifeweaver's pull is a spectacular ability what do you mean? In some cases better than Suzu at clutch saves since no amount of tp suzu will save Rein from being dove by 4ppl. Sure you're giving up space but you know what gives up space more than pull? Your tank dying.
Idk if it's my rank (anywhere between bronze 1 and gold 2 depending on the role, but played up to plat 3) but Moira seems really good. Impossible to kill, and consistantly both top dmg and top heal of the whole server.
Time stamps would have been a lot better 😕
i wanted to see only mercy and i click at exactly the right part lol
Theres gameplay correlating to each hero, so its easy to find also its alphabetical..
It's probably a lot of work that probably won't give a worthwhile return in terms of more views, clicks, likes
He did it in order sing your ABCs and you'll know where to look
Open your eyes
Moira is mid A above Kiri. She has high mobility, serviceability, and easy consistent damage. She also can put alot of hurt on Lucio who is in S tier.
Mercy is D tier, F tier for being fun to play. Her mobility is still there, but if you use it you wind up being farmed out of the air like a balloon pretty easy now. Half her kit, healing is generally diminished in value right now, and she has no burst healing. I have found her best just blue beaming as much as possible behind cover, which makes for a very unfun game play. Mercy-main here that is playing 100% dps this season after 5 days of S9.
I think Ana would be so much better if they even make the slightest adjustment to the dps passive. Like -5% on what it currently does. The nade does feel good for burst healing since it’s weaker… but obviously you’d rather just spam them at the other team. Feels like she’s still a decent pick
For Ana I was thinking it would be cool if we get a bump to made healing. Maybe like a 60% increase just to help her out in crucial moments.
I really hope that's a joke
Give hanzo an alt fire where he loads 3 arrows at once, but as well as a cool down draw speed is .250 seconds longer or something
Writing this on the hanzo comment. I think it would be healtier for the game to make easy to play hitscans harder rather than high skill heros like hanzo easier. It is pretty clear i would start with mercy and moira.
Weaver needs to be able to cancel grip or something to make up for the draw backs
The reason brig is undervalued is cuz she’s competing with zen and Lucio
Ill be completely honest. As a Widowmaker main I actually hate the Widow changes. I'd rather have bigger hitboxes then further distance cuz the problem with her is no matter how far you are anyway you have dive meta that's a thing there are some characters that can literally kill you quicker then you can even scope. Go on yell skill issue.
On console it feels HORRENDOUS to his ANYTHING because WHATS THE POINT OF MAKING HITBOXES LARGER IF U MAKE THE BULLET SMALLER?!
Id rather be able to hit the target then have a small bullet thats irrelative if a target shifts left and right constantly.
Just know I put 500+ on aim training but the amount of changes the game goes through makes it IMPOSSIBLE to adapt to a playstyle
Right now. Moira is A minimum. She’s showing up in top 500. It’s absurd
Shes the best support overall across all ranks. Heal orb can burn thru dps passive, her dmg is wild and her survivability is amazing. Coal is also unaffected by global ult charge nerf. Mauga is also easy A
It’s about time echo gets her props. She’s so effective in all types of comps, especially if you know how to exploit her versatility.
Brig isn't underrated this season, every brig main streamer or player ik is having a horrible time and speaks abt it. You described s8 Brig, but now you can't defend any dive or occupy space w/o dying. You play to block ability like rock or nade and when you see the shadow of an ennemy you run away.
For the winrate it's tricky since it's a very situational hero. Her wr dropped for abt 5 or 6% at all tank, now even when being picked only in good matchup (what most player do) you still get rolled and feel like you have a low impact.
She needs the 80dmg whip she had and a 300 to 350hp shield to be viable
ball is decent in ranked, but in pro play hes like C tier due to people being able to fully ignore him. i watched chazms owcs journey and against sheer cold they where just ignoring him.
but most of the time especially below gm he is good
putting moira in b and mauga in c (below mercy!) is wilddddd
It's not wrong
maybe moira is A (cause she a run) but B is still good imo
mauga in c is correct
they should just bring back old symm turrets and make her primary able to pick up debris again just to make muselk's deathball
“Doom could be a tool you can whip out and use” - my girlfriend during an argument
I had a good hanzo rework idea so I turned hanzo into a timing type of character kinda like Nanami from jjk
So hanzo will have 2 modes storm arrow and standers mode
If he press storm arrow Hanzo will have permanent storm arrows but they don’t do insane amounts of dmg kinda like ash you could balance it any other way but ya
And for his standerd form he’s exactly the same but if you time the shot before it leaves the bow by right clicking or by right trigger four effects happen .1 nothing changes this happens when you’re late or to early on the draw .2 the arrow goes slightly faster and inflicts a tiny hinder effect 3.if you were very close to the draw the arrow is now 2x as fast and now can inflict a anti effect only to the head well the hinder is beefed up
4. This is when you perfectly time note this is extremely hard to do consistently the arrow goes 4x as fast didn’t hinder but inflicts the doom punch effect on the body and stuns well doing more dmg in the body plus it can one shot
And gives hanzo more ult charge this will also look visually pleasing kinda like a black flash but blue
What you think?
Again it’s not perfect
People will play with macros and hit the 4th result every time.
Lol ... I only played Hanzo ... now I don't feel bad uninstalling OW after the nerf!
I don't need a bigger hit box.
I normally duel with widow and I hit ...now he has no more the power to compete against widow anymore... wtf.
I rarely use vision. I just like the way he hits. The delay etc ... now I only play BF2042 ...there I can play the Ghostmaker which performance equal (tho a LOT harder to play with in general).
RIP alt-sniper.
Speaking as a Tank Main, mainly a Rein Player, this season just sucks if you look at rein right, he is dog water. Tho with dive being this good, I learned dva and winston and its so much fun playing these its amazing. Sure I miss the Rein playstyle and the rein mirrors but the dive meta just is fun to play. So its an amazing season fair to say, tho tanks have it not easy cause you not reaaaaallly a "Tank", cause you explode pretty easily
Lucio's boop is a low-key mvp move for him imo.
Lol its odd people keep calling tracer S tier when she's dependent on ball or dva. Without them...well good luck haha bc just like sombra, she can't be back lining hoping for 1v1s...ain't happening 😂 solid A for sure but very comp and map dependent
idk tracer can generally just be annoying no matter what. a good tracer sort of just takes games over.
Don’t know what rank you are but in my Gm 3 games tracer is picked every single match regardless of who you have on your team. She’s the best solo q hero and can carry the entire game by herself. Tracer doesn’t need supports or be “map dependent” to work. She is the best dps in the game at the moment and can easily carry games if you know how to play her. Which is why a lot of low elo (diamond below) struggle with her because they haven’t mastered how she plays
@@Occurredcx how you deal with Moira f.e.? I really like Tracer but i have problems against a few heros. Moira can just rightclick and do constant dmg to you + fade + heal/dmg orb and i see many moiras these days (im just gold elo). And when just 1 other Teammate from Moira realize you are in their backline you have even more problems with Tracer vs Moira. I often switch to hitscan hero then, because im not good enough yet with tracer against Moira.
@@GreenTea359 it 100% depends on your team composition and their team there’s a lot of diffrent factors in dealing with if they have a Moria. For basic purposes let’s just say it’s you and Moria in a 1v1 no one else interfering. You have to hit almost all your shots before you use blink. You wont beat moria in a 1v1 without off angling her. You cant kite her bc her grasp theres no point. You will have to time ur recall right. Her biggest thing that makes her hard to kill is her fade. I would get her low at the start wsit till she uses fade (depends if she panics or not) in gold they would press it before they needed too. Re position urself behind her or not in front of her and try to finish her. There’s way more to it then that but that’s all I can explain without going into tons of other things😂😂
In short if you don’t wanna read all that:
1v1 moria with tracer
Force out fade
Blink to her blind spots
Recall at the right time
Biggest thing for her is her fade DONT waste your recall too early or you are dead 100%
Honestly I wouldn’t even focus on her in gold go for their other support or their dps unless u see Moria faded already and is low then pick her off. That’s all I can really tell u for rn at least yk hope it helped 😂😂
Id love a kings row tier list and tier list for every map that generally says how good each pick is on each map
Bro put 2/4 of my main DPS’s in C tier :(. I swap to Cassidy the moment I see a Sombra and straight up bully them to where they just swap off. I love playing Hanzo, and this season has really limited him to this aggressive, damage / accuracy play style because 1 shots are no longer a real thing, you just need to keep outputting mad damage from the get go, keep cycling the sonic arrow and just dropping storm arrows towards whatever is Red.
I found my self with lesser kills as Hanzo, but oh god did the damage numbers go up
I’m curious if your opinion on Hanzo has changed at all since this comment? I thought the patch was going to ruin him but I found that I can still be pretty aggressive and effective. Only real change is I have to pay more attention to my storm arrow usage.
@@RudimentalNico Kinda, my thoughts are still the same regarding Hanzo, but my overall attitude towards the update has actually changed.
I think there needs to be an adjustment to the damage falloff on a lot of the DPS characters: Hanzo and Cassidy are the first to come to mind. It just feels inconsistent: At one range, I'm doing amazing damage, and on the other hand it feels like I'm just scaring people and forcing them to hide, at which they then regain health passively. I'm still getting used to the passive health regeneration but I am all for it: It allows players to remain in the fight vs just running away or getting sent back to spawn.
I will say, thanks to these changes: I found myself playing different DPS's and not just sticking to the handful that I rotate through. All in all, I don't mind the update.
Was Reinhardt F Tier before season 9? Because the season 9 changes are overall a net buff for him compared to other Tanks.
how are they a net buff?
@@ZClaireVoyanceZ he's probably low rated and doesn't realise he got nerfed heavily
@@ZClaireVoyanceZReinhardt got several damage buffs (one to his Hammer damage and the other to his Charge damage), whereas Tanks like Sigma and Ramattra did not receive any damage buffs. Also, Reinhardt's barrier is the best Tank tool in the game to stop the DPS passive from triggering.
@@michaelc7418 okay as a rein enjoyer I have to point out his shield is not better than sigmas who can put out sheild and fire. Next thing range characters against melee is always in the range players favor. And the ones who have to get close are pretty good a brawling and with their tank who is either a junkerQ, ram, or zarya. Who are all much much better than rein. He just can't keep up. His health and shield are already so low by the time he gets to the team. He can try but he's a sitting duck 90% of the time
@@ZClaireVoyanceZ Playing Rein with a Lucio makes Rein so much better. Having that 25% Speed Boost essentially makes Rein's barrier 25% harder to break before he closes the distance, and since they put more power in his Hammer Swings to counter act heroes having more HP, but didn't buff Fire Strike, that means Lucio is more important than ever to pair with Rein.
Give Hanzo a one handed crossbow with explosive arrows as secondary.
Why is JQ so good? I played her a few times and got completly stomped, but im a bad tank overall :) Her Knife throw is a skillshot, you have to be really close for your melee atk, you dont heal yourself thas much like Hog, you dont have any shield like other tanks, she doesnt negate any incoming Dmg like DVA or Sigma, her shout and the smaller Hitbox is nice but she takes alot of ressources from the Team. This is btw a serious Question because i dont know how to play her. Why She is A Tier on every Tierlist, what are the benefits compared to other tanks? :)
As a gm tank since overwatch 1 imma try an explain the simple reasons she's viable. Her knife throw is helpful to pull targets out of position so you and your team can try rush them and kill them (usually using shout ) her axe is good what you should be doing is standing behind cover waiting for someone to try get close enough or it can be used if a Winton or something dives in and the main reason she is good is decent damage mixed with her survivability witch is meta this season btw but tbh its hard to explain why she's good but I do recommend trying her
Queen is pretty strong but you have to hit her abilities, if you don't you will be considerable punished by it.
She has decent mobility and good sustain, but it's her damage and pick off potential that makes her a very dangerous threat.
And besides her kit being very fluid and versatile, her ultimate is probably one of the best in the game since it negates heal.
They were calling me an idiot for saying that Ana is B or C in the forums. xD
Ana is playable if they have no dive or no speed boost but if they do then good luck
Lifeweaver being F tier is laughable. He is the best at breaking shields out of all the healers. He has an auto aim heal and great dps that allows him to get his tree much quicker. I believe the main issue is people still don’t know how to play him properly after this season 9 rework. People are still trying to use him as a heal bot rather than dps’ing more with him and heal when it’s necessary. Of course everyone can be good in the right hands but this season I feel you get way more value with a Lifeweaver on your team oppose to an Ana or Mercy. Even Kiriko, depending on how she’s played, Suzu is her saving grace.
I honestly think Lifeweaver is underrated and doesn't deserve to be in F, but that's fine lol lots of classes get slept on in every season.
Personally think Cree/cass is at least Atier currently. Grenade, health, and hitscan capabilities make him a solid counter to many of the top tiers this season
A few are way off. Rein is F and is almost unplayable. Ashe being better than either soldier or Sojourn demonstrates a lack of understanding of the DPS passive. Mercy is hard D. Doom and Ball are both A.
Tbf ashe is better than soldier in alot of comps
For the love of God put timestamps on these 50 minute videos lmao
Ram is pretty c tier easy to counter/stop and problem with zen depending on the tier of game play you really get no peel and no mobility
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thank me later, i get paid by the hour 🤓
I'm from the near future, wait until y'all see the Hanzo sword rework.
Sojourn has yet to fall from S tier. Especially being much easier to hit shots. Sombra- cooldown nerf/ Moira needs damage ball nerf. 90% Moira users just play dps and rarely heal which ruins ranked games
What if ana nade had a rework where it done 2 levels of anti healing apllied but does the same damage or something. Idk
Me still getting error 400 when trying to login 🤡🤡
That's an issue on your end
My per boy lifeweavey, I just like to do the funnt with him, like slingshot cassidy and others into the backline with ult, also he was fun, now he dead
Moira in B is certainly a choice.
Thank you for teaching me the COACHS WAY
Sym, junk, and Mei need help. Poor projectile heroes left out in the dumpster.
Fuck both Sym AND Mei.
Reaper is bad because the dps passive also hits him very hard, hope they increase the lifesteal next season or maybe the damage a little bit as he was at end of Ow1 with 120 damage per shot 🤔
He doesn't really need changing he's just situational now instead of being able to be one tricked
What’s the new dps passive
20% anti heal
As a character i hate LW. last few games ive played i was being pulled at full hp from high ground, pulled into enemy ults. pulled out of my ult. LW is a throw pic and i honestly wont play with lw. i would honestly rather be banned than to play with lw now.
That's just because low rank life players are terrible
“In Plat and below”
Never thought I would see the day where Baston is a higher ranked then Ana😂
Ow1 peak bastion
Rather annoyed that Orisa is lower than D.va, as something of a Orisa main, I always destroy D.vas with no sweat and it's not like I'm an insane tank or anyting, I'm just in Silver 1 for tank!
Convince Symmetra she's not gutter tier with the lowest winrate of the entire hero list challenge
There is no way you dont put rein in F and doom in ATLEAST A
Dva guide pls
I saw that Necros stream
worst tierlist
Kiriko A tier and not S tier!? Underpowered!
Doom is a Tool, that you can whip out and use. Hehe
In the right hands reaper can be great. Low B
The thing that let us know junkrat is really bad even after the buffs is that the normal thing among high junkrat mains is to go on negative winrates most of the times
(Example: today vulture ended stream at 6wins and 14 losses)
It's a sad time to be a junkrat main
Yall stop complaining about timestamps the reason he doesn’t put them is because it’s important to know why every character is good/bad because they all affect each other.
Well you are correct it's rough for Support especially Ana bc of the HP increase however her Nate is still insane and game winning when you have the perfect timing!
Overall it's very nice that Support isn't OP anymore!
Tank and DPS have true impact on the game now
Time stamps where?
How about buff hanzo by making heros with small hitboxes have slightly less than 250hp? *MOIRA*
Or the more logical thing give him a bit more damage
@techno2949 i like removing oneshots for most heros
@@mikejowan3340 you literally just asked for the same thing
Ngl, Dva is easy to play, no reloads, dm has 0 cool down, and shes tanky
Yall are wrong about mercy man. I say, "Yall" because all you pc content creators rate her so low. Blue beam has never been more oppressive considering the dps passive. Add a zen orb to that and you'll want to leave the game and never return. This feeling is tripled if you're a tank.
see this is why genji needs a nerf
dva guide would be awesome!!!!!
Have you seen emongs dva guide
Really stretched for that 10 minute mark huh
i just dont like when you say tracer is op because she's so good in top 500, yeah ofc she's op in top 500, its freaking top 500
Symmetra in C tier? LOL!!!! She has a 46% WR in S9, she's the single worst dps. Her PR has always been low but now it's 0.59%. Once again, content creators know nothing about her.
Why is my girl illari have to suffer like this 😢 I love her so much but she is genuinely awful atm
She had her season try being a tank main
Echo guide?
Yep bastion is good B) , thx
Bastion is a sleeper? Wtf he is in every game right now and i hate it.
i think ure good at the game dont get me wrong but im asked how can u teach every hero in the game feel strange
Because he has knowledge of every character which you get from experience
Man your audio level is SO LOW. Need to use some more gain/compressing/limiting.
is this a GM tier list?? why dont you specify how bad winston is in plat with no good team backup?
cass has really good dualing potential, just no range and so far outside of 1v1s
i gotta remember that this is all ranks cause rein and lifeweaver are f imo
Life isn't f at any rank because he has some case where he is helpful f means there useless