I believe it could make for a brilliant independent musical production. Then the message wouldn’t have to be censored by a big cooperation, since it strikes too close to home for them.
Yeah I was gonna say “Once Upon A December would like a word with you, Josh.”. I mean I had a dairy that played a music box version of that song every time it’s opened.
No offense, but "In The Dark Of The Night" made me LSS on the first run...Like seriously, I myself am weirded out as to why this song pops up on my head first than the iconic "Once Upon A December" or "Journey To The Past"...
@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 No offense taken. ✨ I was more just poking fun at how he made it seem like that was the only popular or good song in the movie. I completely understand that some songs hit harder for different people though. 😊
As someone who believes that "How Bad Can I Be?" is the only good thing to come out the Lorax movie, I can undoubtedly agree that we were robbed from "Biggering".
I guess it's small wonder that a large film studio cashing in on an older Dr. Seuss book got a little queasy at the prospect of a song bashing greedy practices.
@@Cruzer108 the absolute horror biggering has makes the lorax work better as a cautionary tale of greed and the need to preserve, like how the book was. how bad can i be just makes it into a little fun joke.
I was so happy when you said "a song we were robbed of" for #1, i was immediately like "is it Biggering? it better be Biggering. i HOPE its Biggering." and when it was, i started happy-crying
For me I was hoping it was either Biggering or Snuff out the light. Both are great but then I remembered that Snuff out the light is a Disney song. Oops. Plus, while Snuff out the light is good, it’s not Hellfire levels off good, macabre and dark, but it’s still very jazzy and fun.
I think the best part of the "Playing with the Big Boys" scene is how Moses' staff actually eats the other snakes. He might walk away defeated, but his God is still clearly more powerful.
Well, in their defense, Moses clearly had a direct connection with his god that allowed him to pull off his miracles, while they didn't have one with any of their gods. ...But, what if they did? How powerful are the Egyptian gods compared to the Judaic god?
Illumination, being a big company, didn't like a big company being presented as run by bad people when not being a cartoonish supervillain, so it had to change.
Of course Holding Out For A Hero has an added bit of depth: Fairy Godmother is most likely singing it about Prince Charming and how she sees him, or wants others to. However, it ends up instead describing Shrek and his group instead...who Prince Charming is presently masquerading as. That's an interesting idea.
Here's how I see it: She knows she exists within a fairytale world, as do all of the other characters if the first movie was any indication. What if she also knows she's the villain? She knows that she can't be a villain without a hero to stop her. The song is about the fairy godmother herself, as she is fully aware the story is reaching its climax and she is about to be defeated, so she decides to go out as flashy as possible.
I got worried when the number 1 song was from the lorax but got so relieved as soon as he mentioned the cut song "biggering" and not the "how bad can I be" I completely agree with him, that song is amazing and we got robbed of a masterpiece.
One of the great things about Dreamworks' Prince of Egypt is you don't even have to be religious to enjoy the movie. The cinematography! The voice acting! The music! The score! *ART!!!*
That’s what I was thinking when I watched it, I had recently left Mormonism when I watched that movie and just loved it how they didn’t overly lean on the message and just focused on the story. It’s kinda like approaching the Bible with the intention of it being a fantasy book
@@sydneyskousen2030 Not to take away from your point or anything- but the story of Moses is not a biblical story and will never be. It is the story of Jewish suffering. It’s from the Torah. Christians stole it. So please do not refer to it as a biblical story.
@@bex1107 If you are willing to discuss, I’d argue that cutting Moses out of Christianity is ignoring where Christianity came from. If you would prefer not to discuss, ignore the rest of my comment after this. Yes, the story of Moses originated in the Jewish tradition, but Christianity itself also spawned from Judaism. The two religions are tied to each other, even if they don’t agree with one another, and as such they share a lot of history from before the split, such as the story of Moses.
Pretty sure Josh and I have a lot of things in common. Aside from the fact that both of us are also named Josh. My Channel name used to be Joshua David, and, David isn’t my last name in real life.
@AT Productions I kind of agree with you, the reason why i said kind of is because not all of Schaffrilas Productions Videos are bad, or terrible, or horrible, I mean most of Schaffrilas Popular Videos are not good, but not bad either, or mediocre, or bad, or cringy, but some of his popular videos are good and have a nice quality into them, Like I’m hearing the actual Schaffrilas Productions talking and not, meme robot, shiny memes, memes, too many memes, madagascar movies memes, shrek 2 this, shrek 3 that. fairy godmother, oscar.
Don't remind me, their version of Grinch was so bad that I blacklisted the studio forever and refuse to watch their movies any more. Sony Animation at least had the audacity to take risks with Spider-verse and The Mitchells vs The Machines; movies Illumination wouldn't dare risk trying to do.
Honestly I can get what Illumination was going with here. If they kept Biggeneing in, it probably would have scared the kids out of theaters which would cause the parents to demand refunds.
@@WilliamSchmidNetwork No it wouldn't, kids didn't get scared when the original book went that dark and complex, same goes for the 70s animated adaptation. Hell the book ended with an ambiguous ending. Because Dr. Seuss treated kids as mature individuals that didn't need to be talked down to.
@@brendanmilburn9067 - Different time periods. When Lumination’s Lorax came out it was at that time where helicopter parents were in full force demanding everything to be the most non-threatening and least offensive thing ever for their child’s pure eyes and souls or they’ll bring the companies making the product to the brink of bankruptcy by suing to no end. Now yes this sounds over the top but sadly this is how it was during the late 2000’s and early to mid 2010’s (Lorax came out in 2012 so it was in the thick of this bs). Shelia Broflovski isn’t just an exaggerate caricature of a helicopter parent. She’s actually what they are and for some time they had a strong hold on the media.
@@Goleon Except in that same time period we had movies and shows like The Adventures of Tintin (2011), Rango, Coraline, Gravity Falls, Frankenweenie, Paranorman, and other family media intended for kids but tackled darker subject material. So no excuses. Illumination is just a bland and safe company that treats kids like idiots.
My favorite thing about the biggering animatic is that you can see the moments of hesitation, and the regret as soon as the gratification makes way for a realization as he sees who he hurt. Once he comes down from that high.
If that Lorax was made, Seuss would’ve erupted from his grave just to congratulate the guys behind that song. If you saw Nostalgia Critic’s review of the movie coupled with Josh’s own comments... well, let’s just say that’s how it’s supposed to be done.
His anger basically describes mine. I try not to hate media entertainment because to that's silly to get angry about. But when something is not only insulting, but I would argue ACTUALLY morally terrible, I HATE. The bottom of the barrel is even disgusted to be associated with it.
@@alexhollon7526 It makes me sad for doctor seuss since he wanted to give us a message with good intentions but they were trampled by a company that not only ridiculed the movie but also covered up the message that it should give
I find it funny to think that Ramses' schemes failed in the end all because his court mages never once invoked Isis, the freaking Egyptian Goddess of _Magic_ , in their song.
@@kylestubbs8867 I would mention that Moses didn't summon anything... God told Moses to tell Aaron, Moses' brother, to toss his (Aaron's) rod at the feet of the Pharaoh, which it then turned into a snake. Aaron's rod/staff was also the one that was used to turned all the water of the Nile (as well as all the wells and ponds) into blood. Moses' staff was used to part the Red Sea and later to get water from a rock (twice).
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes Okay, I didn’t have the full context, but do you understand what I I’m getting at? The snake brought forth by the power of God was shown to be superior.
You know, people keep saying that capitalism gives corporations all of the power, yet those same corporations seem to go out of their way to push that thought process in the first place, constantly ripping on capitalism every chance they get. Kind of a red flag to be honest.
part of me genuinely hopes it was merely a mix studio interference and the success of despicable me, both of which adds a layer of extreme irony to the lost songs
I was so happy to see someone talking about the masterpiece that is "biggering", I mean, this song is great, talks about pretty dark stuff and shows the decent of the onceler into greed. It is so underrated it's criminal.
I never knew about the song Biggering until now. I had NO idea that there was a song that more accurately described the Once-lers' descent into villainy! How Bad Can I Be, has his descent as a result of his success blinding him to the damage he's causing and being in denial that his business practice was more harmful than it was helpful. But Biggering has it showing that HE ACTUALLY SEES the damage he's causing, but he keeps going because the _MORE successful he gets_ the _MORE he feels that he deserves_ and never gives the damage he causes a second thought because _he's too focused on himself, his success, and what he wants to care about any one else_ DAMN....we WERE robbed
How Bad Can I Be is their way of trying to make companies like themselves look sympathetic. It's the excuse that they always use. "Oh, I didn't know that we were harming the environment with our factories" "We didn't know that lead paint on children toys would poison the kids" "We didn't know that the mothers in africa would be unknowingly starving their children because of the way our product was presented to them. In most cases, they do know but keep going and brushing the bad consequences under the rug and Biggering shows us both that AND why they do it in the first place. Apparently the government (the american one? i'm not too sure, I could be wrong here) are planning to pour oil in the arctic ocean. Do they know how bad that is? Yes. Do they care? No. Why? Biggering. But with How Bad Can I Be, they decide to lie to us and say "No no no, they did NOT know about the CLEAR amount of damage that they're causing. They're just like naive little children you see. See? Look at how clueless he is! That's totally how they are in real life, kids!"
Can’t help but think that if they had left “Biggening,” in the Lorax movie then it would have been remembered far better than it is now. Like how “In the Dark of the Night,” helped make Anastasia more memorable. Instead they opted for the “safer,” option only for the movie to be a soulless corporate shill.
A nice bit of foreshadowing in "Playing with the big boys" is that Mosus' snake ate the other two snakes at the end of the song. Stuff like that makes me appreciate musical numbers in movies, when they can give varying hints for the coming events.
Honestly although the song had Moses in a 'retreat' The irony is that the 'Big Boys' weren't the court magicians of Egypt But Mose Himself and the Plagues of Egypt he was given Access to
I heard that a possible reason that "Biggering" was canned in lieu of the cheesier song "How Bad Could I Be" is because "Biggering" actually revealed the greed and pride of big corporations and that illuminations purposefully did not want to reveal that to the children audience. They also feared that the dark message of the song would upset their target children audience and they would loose money in the process. This forced the studio to prioritize a more childish and safer plot that would grab children's attention more easily, with a cheesy villain that does not accurately portray the main themes of the original book. This includes counterintuitive and hyper focused children advertising for the lorax movie, including.... car commercials?! How backwards can you be to advertise a car for the Lorax?! All of this so that Illuminations can appeal to children to make more profits. Ironically, the Lorax movie that we got is shockingly the best representation of this corporate greed and pride outlined in "Biggering": the pride in people leading to greedy actions, with Illumination taking away a deep and meaningful plot that children needed to learn and instead showed a hollow, corporate approved children's movie
It reminds me of this bit in Doug Walkers review of The Lorax. Chart guy 1: But you don’t understand. We don’t want people to feel bad about themselves. Chart guy 2: Yes, people are less likely to buy things when they feel bad. Chart guy 1: Its easier to show a clear right and wrong message so that no kids are confused. NC: But maybe they SHOULD be confused. Hell, maybe what you are doing is confusing them in a different way. Look! When you make your characters less human, you suck out the humanity, meaning people are less likely to see what they can become. Just like a delicate seed can grow a great oak, so can a faulty message grow a big problem. Chart guy 2: Yes but clearly we show it in a satirical sense so that makes it all right. NC: In what way? How does laughing at the bad things you do make it any less bad?
@@HB-fq9nn Exactly! the whole point of the once ler is that we could be him and do the same bad things. The lorax is supposed to be a cautionary tale/ fable of what humans can realistically do to screw the environment and how we can help prevent it through awareness and empathy of the environment
OH MY LORD. I basically screamed when I saw Number 1, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. Biggering is a rock opera experience, everybody universally agrees we deserve to have it. Thank you so much for your good taste.
I know why the number one song wasn't put into it's movie. Because the corporation saw that the song was about their own greed and couldn't let the audience see it
That and apparently they thought it was too dark for kids. Which I can fully say screw you, Illumination. Kids can handle much more complex and mature storytelling than you think.
you know you really can't blame greed, no that's stupid. you see its got a worm inside, oh yeah that's right, that's one that always needs to feed and it's never satisfied YOU GET IT! but the more you try to find it, the more it likes to hide, NOW LISTEN that is a nasty little worm, I like to call it...PRIDE! see now that's why they're biggering. Listen here illumination and figure it on biggering, BUT that biggering's just triggering more biggering. GOT THAT! alright
Ash (Who plays Korim in The Lost Island) said while listening to this: "It makes perfect sense the company didn't want that song in the Lorax. It hit too close to home."
This is exactly it, along with tearing down any excuses of plausible deniability; instead of a song about a corporate bigwig villain knowingly causing destruction to further his own goals, we got a song about a gullible hipster victim blinded against his cruel actions by the dollar signs. The original song painted corporations in too harsh of a light and exposed the dark underbelly of the corporate world; the corporations funding the movie didn't like it, so they had the writers tweak the lyrics and insert them into a colorful pop song to play down the evils of corporations... though in a way, 'How Bad Can I Be?' reveals exactly how corporations get away with their crimes by hiding behind a guise of being proactive and well-intentioned.
I was literally just about to comment about how deserving Biggering was for a place on this list because I was sure it wouldn't be here since it was cut from the movie, but then I realized that was gonna be number one once Josh compared it to Hellfire. Glad I waited a few seconds before hitting post. I ABSOLUTELY agree with Josh about it. It's definitely that good.
That number 1 pick is perfect. I can't stand the movie, but I listen to that song constantly, it's such an actual banger and has more compelling storytelling than anything that actually made it into the film. The rock opera vibes are impeccable. I've been dying to hear more people talk about that masterpiece so seeing it pop up on this list so high was wonderful. Great list!
One of my favourtie Non-Disney Movie Villain song of all time has to be Preminger's 'How Can I Refuse?'. You can almost forget he's a villain in a Barbie movie due to his charisma, machinations and extensive vocabulary.
When I listen to Biggering, I get a deep, gritty, ugly feeling inside I can't find many other places. I can feel the dirt and grime and darkness like it's plastered into me. I could rant on for hours. I just... MMM. Good stuff.
Thank you so much for acknowledging Biggering, and I strongly agree with its placement. I found it in 2020's late summer and have listened to it periodically ever since. That song is not just a little muttering of "how ba-a-a-ad can i be" while you're doing household chores, it's break into an entire theatre bellowing of "FIGURING ON BIGGERING" that ends up taking the whole song until you can go back to what you were doing
I never would have guessed you would bring up Biggering , that shocked me! Amazing song and we were so robbed. Also seeing Adachi in the intro made me chuckle too.
The second he said 'Equestria Girls' I knew exactly what song he was talking about, which probably says something about how good it is compared to the rest of the Equestria Girls villain songs/songs in general considering I've watched every Equestria Girls movie _at least_ twice.
Of course Biggering was by John Powell. He's had his hands in almost all of my favorite movie soundtracks-- El Dorado, How to Train your Dragon... I didn't know he worked on Lorax, no wonder I love the movie! It's so sad to see that we didn't get the best version of that song... Def going to give it a listen.
I thought since your number 1 was considered "cheating" but still fit your parameters, it was gonna be Snuff Out the Light from the scrapped Kingdom of the Sun. But the actual number 1 was a pleasant surprise & Illumination did a massive disservice keeping it locked to the OST.
I was thinking the same thing until I remembered this was a non-Disney list. As I said in an earlier comment, Biggering and the demo version of Thneedville are why I seriously wanna see a live show that gives us what the film was originally gonna be, like how the live show of Disney's Hunchback was a combination of the Disney film and the original novel. (And before anyone says it, yes, I know an actual Lorax musical did come out sometime after the Illumination film, but it's not quite what I'm describing here, though it looks intriguing)
I DO love the lyrics of The Dark Lorax Song as it's just GREAT!! It honestly puts things in a perspective I haven't thought of. Greed is like the seed, it's the impetus to get you started, but Pride is what keeps you going, and allows you to ignore all the destruction it causes.
OMFG BIGGERING IS SO FUCKING GOOD it makes me almost cry that this song isn’t in the Lorax. It’s my favorite movie but it’s sucks how there is basically nothing about the onceler or any songs that are THAT good
@@KororaPenguin He is pretty tragic in the final film too. The song they used "How Bad Can I Be" is very similar to Hellfire in that the villain is unable to accept they are the bad guy and makes excuses for their actions. In Hellfire it was Frollo blaming his actions on Esmarelda, and in How Bad Can I Be, The Once-ler is making excuses for his unsustainable business practices by saying "Hey I donate what is basically pocket change to charity". But the sad is thing is he believes his own lies that he isn't bad and doesn't see the error of his ways until after he cuts down the last tree. I always found The Lorax is a good cautionary tale for promoting sustainable business practices. If he listened to the Once-ler and worked on a compromise such as planting two trees for everyone he cuts down, everyone would be happy.
@@emberfist8347 Yeah, but i think it would be even more tragic if Biggering was kept in the film, that shows thorugh the years how the Onceler grew more and more greedy and at the end, he sees what hes done and its too late
@@Igna-hp8xx - I think it would of been great if they had Biggering as the reprise for How Bad I Can Be by it being sung during the scene when the Lorax is confronting the Once-Ler. Cause from what I can tell that appears to be where it’s sung so it would of still worked in if used in that moment. Sure we’d get another song not long after How Bad Can I Be but given how good Biggering is I doubt anyone would of complained.
I didn't even know about that unreleased track from #1. That was a hell of a bomb being dropped. Thanks for that, well, "illuminating" reveal to that side of the movie. I'll definitely be digging deeper into the unreleased stuff for that piece.
The fact that we were freaking cheated from an epic onceler villan song (not saying I hated what we got or anything , just disappointed that we could've gotten a better song) is something I don't think I can ever forgive illumination's lorax for .
23:18 " to the darkly and seductive" the take that Dr. Facilier is being seductive in "friends on the other side" is such a new concept to me honestly.
I thought the usage of the lyrics from How Bad Can I Be in Biggering was on purpose, as Biggering was intended to come later in the movie. Like some sort of dark reprise.
Biggering could’ve been a good reprise of How Bad I Can Possibly Be in my opinion. Like sure the movie would’ve had to be longer, but it could’ve been such a good follow up to the dark end of HBICPB
I don't mind it either. As Josh says it easy to blame the Once-ler's destruction on carelessness and I think that might have been the idea. The Once-ler does make a point in the original story about why he doesn't shut down or downsize his operations. His workers have to put food on the table and they can't do that if he does something that compromises his business. I always viewed the message of the Lorax of being one about sustainable growth i.e. planting additional trees for every tree you cut down. The song from the final film was high-lighting that at first, he wasn't really hurting anyone. He just didn't realize he needed to replinish the supploy of trees for his business until it was too late. He was never truly evil in the story as you can tell by the fact he has regretted his actions ever since that last tree fell.
Dude I absolutely applaud and love your number 1. Biggering is absolutely flawless. It is brilliant and captures so many feelings, its impossible to put into words how magnificent it is and you are right we were robbed.
I always thought the lyric was "Tie my sash; add a dash of cologne for that smell!" The first a directive, the second to help cover up his undead zombie stank
The moment I heard THE guitar,instant satisfaction,kinda makes me want to do a rewrite on The Lorax,the original plan seemed to be SO MUCH BETTER Biggering is a banger we were robbed from,and I'll never forgive Illumination for taking it away.
I would give anything to see the lorax with its original script, which is much better, I will never forgive illumination for taking away both biggering and the original script
For the next time this rolls around, we'll need to hear from the villains of gaming. We need praise for the homicidal killer robot with the singing voice of an angel, Glados.
Not sure how many video game villains get a song with lyrics... but if he does go that route I'm hoping for "Evil Queen" from Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure. Maybe it isn't the most menacing villain number out there, but it *is* fun.
I wonder if "Throw Your Mask Away" from Persona 5 Royal would count since the villain in question isn't necessarily "evil." At least, not a total monster (they genuinely believe they're doing something good).
What I find interesting about "The Prince of Egypt" song is that nobody notices that Moses' staff snake eats both of the snakes Hotep and Huy produced.
Now I'm imagining that after "How Bad Can I Be?", it cuts back to the present day, where the Once-ler is telling his story to Ted, telling him about how now he knows better and laments that he learned too late... The scene would then change to the inside of the Once-ler's house, still not showing his face, where he picks up a broken guitar and starts to play it. Through some miracle, it still sounds good and then it leads into "Biggering"...
It came out when I was 9 when the movie came out and when we finally got it on DVD I wanted to watch it repeatedly because I loved it so much. I'll never forget once when I replayed it after we just watched it, my mom said, "You're gonna get tired of it." I'm 26 and I've been falling asleep to the movie on loop (since I actually found a DVD version that loops) for over a week now. Needless to say, Mom was wrong.
@@KeeperOfUntoldDreams - I feel like that’s my mom with my dad over how he is with the first Star Wars trilogy. And likely how they are towards me with fashion dolls. (and possibly everything else I’m still obsessed with)
DUDE!! You have no idea, how excited I got hearing the intro to Biggering!! I wasn’t expecting it to be on the list, let alone be #1! 😃 It’s honestly my favorite song of the entire song track and yes, it could totally be up there with Hellfire if it got included in the movie. Also thank you for defending the Shrek musical, it feels like I’m always in the minority when I think it’s actually a good musical. 🤗
I will never forgive Illumination for canceling that masterpiece you talked about in your number one spot. I still like "How Bad Can I Be" but I never knew about that original take of the film and thank you Josh for introducing me to it.
@•Zerø• Illumination is apparently going for R rated and more adult animated filmmaking in the next few years, so perhaps that would give them a great opportunity to give us the cancelled ideas.
Can we talk about how impressive Darla Dimples' voice actress(es) are?! The girl who sang Big And Loud was only 8! I *wish* I was that talented as an adult!
God that number 1 gave me chills. Christ we were robbed. It's almost like the anti-capitalist message of the story was completely lost on the corporation that was adapting it.
I'm not sure what other lists are coming down the line, but I'm shocked there was no Dr. Horrible. The villain song from the similar-energy musical episode of Buffy is one of my all time favorites, too.
The Lorax’s section of Biggering sounds like something Seuss himself would write, that simple but deep writing that kids can understand and be entertained by while adults can admire the layers, and to me, that’s the biggest shame. Something in a Doctor Seuss movie actually felt like the source, and it was cut.
When you were building up the fake out with Zootopia, I was hoping you were actually alluding to Cats Don't Dance. When I turned out to be right, I pumped both of my fists in the air and silently screamed "YES". So happy to see one of my favorite childhood movies getting some recognition.
I think "How bad can I be" is still a good song that picks on corporations for their lame excuses and justifications for the terrible actions they choose to take, but "Biggering" is just so much more impactful and its message is much more broad. It points a finger at everyone and says anyone could end up like the Onceler, not just on the corporate scale, but also on the individual and personal scale as well.
Honestly, I can't blame you for Biggering being number one. I honestly get chills listening to the song and currently, I work for a company that is going through the exact thing that the Onceler is going through. Granted it is not about the environment, but the message as well as the focus of what the song was actually going for... just chills! Also, I would recommend The Sin Squad youtube video on this song and how it could have made the film so much more impactful as well as possible reasons as to why it was cut. But good list! I look forward to the next one!
Nothing's Gonna Stop Me Now from Anna and the Apocalypse is a really great villain song, especially the full version of the song in the extended cut. Same goes for the villain songs in Rocky Horror Picture Show and Little Shop of Horrors (1986). The Devil's Carnival movies also has some great ones.
Fun fact though about the snake staff, Moses’s serpent ate the real ones. Its been speculated that this symbolized that fun tricks only work so well for so long against the real deal. Additionally that same detail happened in the original material too.
Only just found this video. But I fully support the Shrek 2 and Original Lorax choices. They really work as villain songs, and the Original Lorax really explored greed and pride, I really wish we didn't get robbed, but of course they couldn't sell merchandise if they actually made the movie like that.
So your #1 choice.... it was unexpected, I never heard of it, but after hearing it and your explanation for why it made it to the top of the list I can honestly see why.
@@antonhagbox02 I know, but he was doing these for all the other mediums later on. I just put one for a musical here because it was the only one out at the time.
#ReleaseTheBiggeringCut
Oh I second this so very very much. The sheer raw power that radiates off this song alone would make the movie worth it.
At this point, the Biggering cut would be an entirely different movie, so I'm all for it.
I believe it could make for a brilliant independent musical production. Then the message wouldn’t have to be censored by a big cooperation, since it strikes too close to home for them.
Make an entirely new Lorax movie with the original ideas put in instead of the pop culture bullshit we got in the 2012 movie.
@@austinmorrison6953 Brilliant!
“Sometimes I think Anastasia wouldn’t be remembered if not for this song”
*Once Upon a December goes to a corner and cries*
Yeah I was gonna say “Once Upon A December would like a word with you, Josh.”. I mean I had a dairy that played a music box version of that song every time it’s opened.
@@Goleon I mean I only watched Anastasia once and I only remember Once upon a December.
No offense, but "In The Dark Of The Night" made me LSS on the first run...Like seriously, I myself am weirded out as to why this song pops up on my head first than the iconic "Once Upon A December" or "Journey To The Past"...
@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 No offense taken. ✨
I was more just poking fun at how he made it seem like that was the only popular or good song in the movie. I completely understand that some songs hit harder for different people though. 😊
@@Goleon
Cool.
Was the cheese good?
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As someone who believes that "How Bad Can I Be?" is the only good thing to come out the Lorax movie, I can undoubtedly agree that we were robbed from "Biggering".
Ok but I still really like how bad can I he it's so corny and cheesy it's great
I guess it's small wonder that a large film studio cashing in on an older Dr. Seuss book got a little queasy at the prospect of a song bashing greedy practices.
@@Cruzer108 the absolute horror biggering has makes the lorax work better as a cautionary tale of greed and the need to preserve, like how the book was.
how bad can i be just makes it into a little fun joke.
We were so robbed it would have been so much better
I enjoyed the bears a little......
Shrek 2's version of "I need a hero" is an absolute banger
It still is.
best version of the song ever.
Fantastic song.
Fantastic scene.
Is it really a VILLAIN song though?
@@Lunacorva Who knows it's just amazing
@@Lunacorva I'll be honest; I don't know if it really is a VILLAIN song, but I really don't care.
Gotta love how "How Bad Can I Be" is the best song in the actual movie, and it isn't half as good as the thing they cut
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Am The best guiter player ever hehe
I was so happy when you said "a song we were robbed of" for #1, i was immediately like "is it Biggering? it better be Biggering. i HOPE its Biggering." and when it was, i started happy-crying
For me I was hoping it was either Biggering or Snuff out the light. Both are great but then I remembered that Snuff out the light is a Disney song. Oops. Plus, while Snuff out the light is good, it’s not Hellfire levels off good, macabre and dark, but it’s still very jazzy and fun.
I was cheering and celebrating! Gish that song goes hard.
I think the best part of the "Playing with the Big Boys" scene is how Moses' staff actually eats the other snakes. He might walk away defeated, but his God is still clearly more powerful.
Thats Moses way of saying “I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE!”
That's what happened in the Bible too lol so the accuracy was good
Well, in their defense, Moses clearly had a direct connection with his god that allowed him to pull off his miracles, while they didn't have one with any of their gods.
...But, what if they did? How powerful are the Egyptian gods compared to the Judaic god?
@@azazeltheundyingdamienkali5700 so powerful they require 3 tributes to bring forth.
@@JustJustin.
Ah, I get it. 😏
Slifer the Sky Dragon is the best.
As a wise man once said, "Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source."
Would you care for a cup of tea?
I'd appreciate it, but I am not a tea person
He also knew how to channel his sea of life. In his case, a vast ocean.
@@0isthe1 *The Earth King invites you to Lake Laogai*
@@phari4820 I am happy to attend.
I bet the original Lorax was changed because the “test”audience, or rich people who saw the original first, felt personally attacked.
Nope it's definitely the second one.
Illumination, being a big company, didn't like a big company being presented as run by bad people when not being a cartoonish supervillain, so it had to change.
Of course Holding Out For A Hero has an added bit of depth:
Fairy Godmother is most likely singing it about Prince Charming and how she sees him, or wants others to. However, it ends up instead describing Shrek and his group instead...who Prince Charming is presently masquerading as.
That's an interesting idea.
Apparently the entirety of Shrek 2
Was written to build this song up
So when it finally comes in,
Everything starts falling into place.
Here's how I see it: She knows she exists within a fairytale world, as do all of the other characters if the first movie was any indication. What if she also knows she's the villain? She knows that she can't be a villain without a hero to stop her. The song is about the fairy godmother herself, as she is fully aware the story is reaching its climax and she is about to be defeated, so she decides to go out as flashy as possible.
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This is what makes it number one biggering is numbet 2 to me
I got worried when the number 1 song was from the lorax but got so relieved as soon as he mentioned the cut song "biggering" and not the "how bad can I be" I completely agree with him, that song is amazing and we got robbed of a masterpiece.
One of the great things about Dreamworks' Prince of Egypt is you don't even have to be religious to enjoy the movie. The cinematography! The voice acting! The music! The score!
*ART!!!*
That’s what I was thinking when I watched it, I had recently left Mormonism when I watched that movie and just loved it how they didn’t overly lean on the message and just focused on the story. It’s kinda like approaching the Bible with the intention of it being a fantasy book
@@sydneyskousen2030 Not to take away from your point or anything- but the story of Moses is not a biblical story and will never be. It is the story of Jewish suffering. It’s from the Torah. Christians stole it. So please do not refer to it as a biblical story.
@@bex1107 So sorry that I got that wrong
@@sydneyskousen2030 you all good! Everyone is pretty much taught the same thing so I just like to jump in when I can☺️
@@bex1107 If you are willing to discuss, I’d argue that cutting Moses out of Christianity is ignoring where Christianity came from. If you would prefer not to discuss, ignore the rest of my comment after this.
Yes, the story of Moses originated in the Jewish tradition, but Christianity itself also spawned from Judaism. The two religions are tied to each other, even if they don’t agree with one another, and as such they share a lot of history from before the split, such as the story of Moses.
After seeing that Josh is a fellow fan of Schafrillas, Jonathan Young’s Hellfire cover, and Biggering, I have concluded we are kindred spirits.
I feel both of us are kindred spirits as well
I was happy that he mentioned him. His videos are amazing.
I'm just starting the video and was hoping he watched Schafrillas. I was not disappointed XD
Pretty sure Josh and I have a lot of things in common. Aside from the fact that both of us are also named Josh. My Channel name used to be Joshua David, and, David isn’t my last name in real life.
@AT Productions I kind of agree with you, the reason why i said kind of is because not all of Schaffrilas Productions Videos are bad, or terrible, or horrible, I mean most of Schaffrilas Popular Videos are not good, but not bad either, or mediocre, or bad, or cringy, but some of his popular videos are good and have a nice quality into them, Like I’m hearing the actual Schaffrilas Productions talking and not, meme robot, shiny memes, memes, too many memes, madagascar movies memes, shrek 2 this, shrek 3 that. fairy godmother, oscar.
“We were robbed!”
It’s illumination studios, they played it way too safe and way too soft for their own good. Look what they did with the Grinch.
Don't remind me, their version of Grinch was so bad that I blacklisted the studio forever and refuse to watch their movies any more. Sony Animation at least had the audacity to take risks with Spider-verse and The Mitchells vs The Machines; movies Illumination wouldn't dare risk trying to do.
Honestly I can get what Illumination was going with here. If they kept Biggeneing in, it probably would have scared the kids out of theaters which would cause the parents to demand refunds.
@@WilliamSchmidNetwork
No it wouldn't, kids didn't get scared when the original book went that dark and complex, same goes for the 70s animated adaptation. Hell the book ended with an ambiguous ending. Because Dr. Seuss treated kids as mature individuals that didn't need to be talked down to.
@@brendanmilburn9067 - Different time periods. When Lumination’s Lorax came out it was at that time where helicopter parents were in full force demanding everything to be the most non-threatening and least offensive thing ever for their child’s pure eyes and souls or they’ll bring the companies making the product to the brink of bankruptcy by suing to no end. Now yes this sounds over the top but sadly this is how it was during the late 2000’s and early to mid 2010’s (Lorax came out in 2012 so it was in the thick of this bs). Shelia Broflovski isn’t just an exaggerate caricature of a helicopter parent. She’s actually what they are and for some time they had a strong hold on the media.
@@Goleon
Except in that same time period we had movies and shows like The Adventures of Tintin (2011), Rango, Coraline, Gravity Falls, Frankenweenie, Paranorman, and other family media intended for kids but tackled darker subject material. So no excuses. Illumination is just a bland and safe company that treats kids like idiots.
My favorite thing about the biggering animatic is that you can see the moments of hesitation, and the regret as soon as the gratification makes way for a realization as he sees who he hurt. Once he comes down from that high.
If that Lorax was made, Seuss would’ve erupted from his grave just to congratulate the guys behind that song. If you saw Nostalgia Critic’s review of the movie coupled with Josh’s own comments... well, let’s just say that’s how it’s supposed to be done.
His anger basically describes mine. I try not to hate media entertainment because to that's silly to get angry about. But when something is not only insulting, but I would argue ACTUALLY morally terrible, I HATE. The bottom of the barrel is even disgusted to be associated with it.
@@alexhollon7526 It makes me sad for doctor seuss since he wanted to give us a message with good intentions but they were trampled by a company that not only ridiculed the movie but also covered up the message that it should give
But sadly due to what we got we have to quote nostalgia critics cat in the hat review. “That’s eight times, dr Seuss rolled in his grave ah ah ah”
@@deanherring3622 and later… “That’s nine times Dr. Seuss rolled in his grave! Ah, ah, ah!”
@@IBW_3000 At least Green Eggs and Ham was surprisingly good.
Now I want to see Joshscorcher and SHafrillas have a big ol' debate about Shrek: The Musical.
Yes. Schaffrillas said that he will do it another day so it’s possible.
Would love to see
@@sjmhadsock4586 I song that should have been on this list is Terror Time from Scooby Doo Zombie Island.
I'm just glad to see someone defending the musical!
@@libsterization Defending what musical?????
I find it funny to think that Ramses' schemes failed in the end all because his court mages never once invoked Isis, the freaking Egyptian Goddess of _Magic_ , in their song.
I especially liked the irony of how, as they closed the song, their snakes were getting eaten by the one Moses summoned.
@@kylestubbs8867 I was really surprised that he didn't mention that in the video, since that's the first scene I think of when that song comes to mind
@@kylestubbs8867 I would mention that Moses didn't summon anything...
God told Moses to tell Aaron, Moses' brother, to toss his (Aaron's) rod at the feet of the Pharaoh, which it then turned into a snake.
Aaron's rod/staff was also the one that was used to turned all the water of the Nile (as well as all the wells and ponds) into blood.
Moses' staff was used to part the Red Sea and later to get water from a rock (twice).
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes Okay, I didn’t have the full context, but do you understand what I I’m getting at? The snake brought forth by the power of God was shown to be superior.
@@kylestubbs8867 Yeah, I get ya.
Original Lorax Song: Hey! Look at my solid message based on Pride and h-
Illumination: HOW BAAAAAAD CAN I BE?🎵
That bird singing and getting interrupted by a crow meme but it's Biggering interrupted by How Bad Can I Be?
We got scammed by not getting Biggering
You know, people keep saying that capitalism gives corporations all of the power, yet those same corporations seem to go out of their way to push that thought process in the first place, constantly ripping on capitalism every chance they get. Kind of a red flag to be honest.
@@theheroneededwillette6964 i know right?
part of me genuinely hopes it was merely a mix studio interference and the success of despicable me, both of which adds a layer of extreme irony to the lost songs
I was so happy to see someone talking about the masterpiece that is "biggering", I mean, this song is great, talks about pretty dark stuff and shows the decent of the onceler into greed. It is so underrated it's criminal.
without a doubt biggering is a masterpiece that deserves to be recognized
I never knew about the song Biggering until now. I had NO idea that there was a song that more accurately described the Once-lers' descent into villainy! How Bad Can I Be, has his descent as a result of his success blinding him to the damage he's causing and being in denial that his business practice was more harmful than it was helpful. But Biggering has it showing that HE ACTUALLY SEES the damage he's causing, but he keeps going because the _MORE successful he gets_ the _MORE he feels that he deserves_ and never gives the damage he causes a second thought because _he's too focused on himself, his success, and what he wants to care about any one else_
DAMN....we WERE robbed
I will never forgive them
How Bad Can I Be is their way of trying to make companies like themselves look sympathetic. It's the excuse that they always use. "Oh, I didn't know that we were harming the environment with our factories" "We didn't know that lead paint on children toys would poison the kids" "We didn't know that the mothers in africa would be unknowingly starving their children because of the way our product was presented to them. In most cases, they do know but keep going and brushing the bad consequences under the rug and Biggering shows us both that AND why they do it in the first place.
Apparently the government (the american one? i'm not too sure, I could be wrong here) are planning to pour oil in the arctic ocean. Do they know how bad that is? Yes. Do they care? No. Why? Biggering. But with How Bad Can I Be, they decide to lie to us and say "No no no, they did NOT know about the CLEAR amount of damage that they're causing. They're just like naive little children you see. See? Look at how clueless he is! That's totally how they are in real life, kids!"
Can’t help but think that if they had left “Biggening,” in the Lorax movie then it would have been remembered far better than it is now. Like how “In the Dark of the Night,” helped make Anastasia more memorable.
Instead they opted for the “safer,” option only for the movie to be a soulless corporate shill.
Kind of ironic isnt it ?
A nice bit of foreshadowing in "Playing with the big boys" is that Mosus' snake ate the other two snakes at the end of the song. Stuff like that makes me appreciate musical numbers in movies, when they can give varying hints for the coming events.
It also helps that this is taken straight from the Bible
@@bananatiergod amen to that.
Snake used Devour. It's super effective.
Yes, Mosus took the palistinians to the owed land
Honestly although the song had Moses in a 'retreat'
The irony is that the 'Big Boys' weren't the court magicians of Egypt
But Mose Himself and the Plagues of Egypt he was given Access to
I heard that a possible reason that "Biggering" was canned in lieu of the cheesier song "How Bad Could I Be" is because "Biggering" actually revealed the greed and pride of big corporations and that illuminations purposefully did not want to reveal that to the children audience. They also feared that the dark message of the song would upset their target children audience and they would loose money in the process. This forced the studio to prioritize a more childish and safer plot that would grab children's attention more easily, with a cheesy villain that does not accurately portray the main themes of the original book. This includes counterintuitive and hyper focused children advertising for the lorax movie, including.... car commercials?! How backwards can you be to advertise a car for the Lorax?! All of this so that Illuminations can appeal to children to make more profits. Ironically, the Lorax movie that we got is shockingly the best representation of this corporate greed and pride outlined in "Biggering": the pride in people leading to greedy actions, with Illumination taking away a deep and meaningful plot that children needed to learn and instead showed a hollow, corporate approved children's movie
It reminds me of this bit in Doug Walkers review of The Lorax.
Chart guy 1: But you don’t understand. We don’t want people to feel bad about themselves.
Chart guy 2: Yes, people are less likely to buy things when they feel bad.
Chart guy 1: Its easier to show a clear right and wrong message so that no kids are confused.
NC: But maybe they SHOULD be confused. Hell, maybe what you are doing is confusing them in a different way. Look! When you make your characters less human, you suck out the humanity, meaning people are less likely to see what they can become. Just like a delicate seed can grow a great oak, so can a faulty message grow a big problem.
Chart guy 2: Yes but clearly we show it in a satirical sense so that makes it all right.
NC: In what way? How does laughing at the bad things you do make it any less bad?
@@HB-fq9nn ....
Chart guy 1: Well the chart says...
NC: FORGET IT!!!
@@MDWolfe-ks5fu 🤣
@@HB-fq9nn Exactly! the whole point of the once ler is that we could be him and do the same bad things. The lorax is supposed to be a cautionary tale/ fable of what humans can realistically do to screw the environment and how we can help prevent it through awareness and empathy of the environment
In other words we all got scammed out of a good movie
OH MY LORD. I basically screamed when I saw Number 1, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. Biggering is a rock opera experience, everybody universally agrees we deserve to have it. Thank you so much for your good taste.
The Biggering proves that the biggest villain of The Lorax was Illumination Animation for denying us the song
I’m glad that the Prince of Egypt’s soundtrack is getting some appreciation. Literally tied with The Lion King as my favorite animated musical.
I’ve never seen it but I’ll say that Hotop and Ho remind me of Mysterio from Spider Man
Me to
The fact that people can collectively agree that a Christian story based movie is good, it just makes my faithful heart flutter lmao
Fun fact that they share same composer who made those soundtracks: Hans Zimmer
@@mistermaxie6487 Amen to that fellow Christian!
*SPOILERS FOR NUMBER 1*
The most villainous thing about this song...is the fact it never made it to it’s film, and was replaced.
I can understand why. Kids would’ve found it a bit more intimidating… but we _were_ still robbed.
because it didn't fit the movie ironiclly, if the movie had gone the other path then it would fit
The fact that we were robbed of this in the official movie, angers me to no end.
@@thesinistersiblings705 We were both robbed of this and the bizarre gospel/church choir Thneedville song.
Because Illumination prefers to spoon-feed cliched, uninteresting, kid-friendly nonsense instead of something of actual worth
I know why the number one song wasn't put into it's movie. Because the corporation saw that the song was about their own greed and couldn't let the audience see it
That and apparently they thought it was too dark for kids. Which I can fully say screw you, Illumination. Kids can handle much more complex and mature storytelling than you think.
@@brendanmilburn9067 Agreed. There's a reason why most shows nowadays are covering more serious topics in some episodes
@@charadreemerr4195 jury is still out on if most of them are doing it well.
When you think about it, the song didn’t make the movie because Illumination was biggering themselves
you know you really can't blame greed, no that's stupid. you see its got a worm inside, oh yeah that's right, that's one that always needs to feed and it's never satisfied YOU GET IT! but the more you try to find it, the more it likes to hide, NOW LISTEN that is a nasty little worm, I like to call it...PRIDE! see now that's why they're biggering. Listen here illumination and figure it on biggering, BUT that biggering's just triggering more biggering. GOT THAT! alright
the knowledge that blame canada was performed at the academy awards is something i can never afford to forget
The fact that it was performed by Robin Williams is even better
I heard that we were 'robbed' of the last song and I instantly knew what it was and I was so excited.
Ash (Who plays Korim in The Lost Island) said while listening to this: "It makes perfect sense the company didn't want that song in the Lorax. It hit too close to home."
How appropriate that a bird who calls himself a villain comments on a countdown of villain songs.
I can't remember where I saw it but I remember someone saying:
'I think they looked at this song, and saw a mirror.'
This is exactly it, along with tearing down any excuses of plausible deniability; instead of a song about a corporate bigwig villain knowingly causing destruction to further his own goals, we got a song about a gullible hipster victim blinded against his cruel actions by the dollar signs. The original song painted corporations in too harsh of a light and exposed the dark underbelly of the corporate world; the corporations funding the movie didn't like it, so they had the writers tweak the lyrics and insert them into a colorful pop song to play down the evils of corporations... though in a way, 'How Bad Can I Be?' reveals exactly how corporations get away with their crimes by hiding behind a guise of being proactive and well-intentioned.
I was literally just about to comment about how deserving Biggering was for a place on this list because I was sure it wouldn't be here since it was cut from the movie, but then I realized that was gonna be number one once Josh compared it to Hellfire. Glad I waited a few seconds before hitting post. I ABSOLUTELY agree with Josh about it. It's definitely that good.
That number 1 pick is perfect. I can't stand the movie, but I listen to that song constantly, it's such an actual banger and has more compelling storytelling than anything that actually made it into the film. The rock opera vibes are impeccable. I've been dying to hear more people talk about that masterpiece so seeing it pop up on this list so high was wonderful. Great list!
One of my favourtie Non-Disney Movie Villain song of all time has to be Preminger's 'How Can I Refuse?'. You can almost forget he's a villain in a Barbie movie due to his charisma, machinations and extensive vocabulary.
This!! Preminger is amazing!!!!
A good Barbie song? Interesting. :03
How Can I Refuse is such a banger, I love that movie
@@pundertalefan4391 It's a good villain song period. If you haven't listened to it you absolutely should.
Which Barbie movie?
As soon as you said “A song on the level of Hellfire that we were deprived of” I knew that it was Biggering
When I listen to Biggering, I get a deep, gritty, ugly feeling inside I can't find many other places. I can feel the dirt and grime and darkness like it's plastered into me. I could rant on for hours. I just... MMM. Good stuff.
“Couldn’t come up with a clever nickname”
Malevolent Music Month?
Musical Malevolence Month?
Malevolent Musical May
@@Goldsbro Oh that’s a good one
At least, he picked a banger intro song.
Thank you so much for acknowledging Biggering, and I strongly agree with its placement. I found it in 2020's late summer and have listened to it periodically ever since. That song is not just a little muttering of "how ba-a-a-ad can i be" while you're doing household chores, it's break into an entire theatre bellowing of "FIGURING ON BIGGERING" that ends up taking the whole song until you can go back to what you were doing
I never would have guessed you would bring up Biggering , that shocked me! Amazing song and we were so robbed.
Also seeing Adachi in the intro made me chuckle too.
The second he said 'Equestria Girls' I knew exactly what song he was talking about, which probably says something about how good it is compared to the rest of the Equestria Girls villain songs/songs in general considering I've watched every Equestria Girls movie _at least_ twice.
agreed always love to see the dazzlings
Of course Biggering was by John Powell.
He's had his hands in almost all of my favorite movie soundtracks-- El Dorado, How to Train your Dragon... I didn't know he worked on Lorax, no wonder I love the movie! It's so sad to see that we didn't get the best version of that song... Def going to give it a listen.
John Powell FTW!
I thought since your number 1 was considered "cheating" but still fit your parameters, it was gonna be Snuff Out the Light from the scrapped Kingdom of the Sun. But the actual number 1 was a pleasant surprise & Illumination did a massive disservice keeping it locked to the OST.
Snuff out the Light? You got a link to that?
That's Disney. Doesn't count.
Same and I haven’t even listened to that song yet.
Snuff Out the Light was Disney so it will probably be on a Disney Songs list.
I was thinking the same thing until I remembered this was a non-Disney list. As I said in an earlier comment, Biggering and the demo version of Thneedville are why I seriously wanna see a live show that gives us what the film was originally gonna be, like how the live show of Disney's Hunchback was a combination of the Disney film and the original novel. (And before anyone says it, yes, I know an actual Lorax musical did come out sometime after the Illumination film, but it's not quite what I'm describing here, though it looks intriguing)
The reason 'The biggering' was cut was probably because it talked about how bad companies were, and you know how companies don't like that~
“Holding Out for a Hero” by the FairyGodmother is the best cover of all time, change my mind
Disturbed's Sounds of Silence has the title for me.
Or anything done by Marilyn Manson
I DO love the lyrics of The Dark Lorax Song as it's just GREAT!!
It honestly puts things in a perspective I haven't thought of.
Greed is like the seed, it's the impetus to get you started, but Pride is what keeps you going, and allows you to ignore all the destruction it causes.
Green Scorpion starts weapons month 5 Josh starts Villain songs month the same day? Theres still hope for this year!
OMFG BIGGERING IS SO FUCKING GOOD it makes me almost cry that this song isn’t in the Lorax. It’s my favorite movie but it’s sucks how there is basically nothing about the onceler or any songs that are THAT good
There's a right way to make a tragic figure out of the Once-ler, but they went with the wrong way.
@@KororaPenguin He is pretty tragic in the final film too. The song they used "How Bad Can I Be" is very similar to Hellfire in that the villain is unable to accept they are the bad guy and makes excuses for their actions. In Hellfire it was Frollo blaming his actions on Esmarelda, and in How Bad Can I Be, The Once-ler is making excuses for his unsustainable business practices by saying "Hey I donate what is basically pocket change to charity". But the sad is thing is he believes his own lies that he isn't bad and doesn't see the error of his ways until after he cuts down the last tree. I always found The Lorax is a good cautionary tale for promoting sustainable business practices. If he listened to the Once-ler and worked on a compromise such as planting two trees for everyone he cuts down, everyone would be happy.
@@emberfist8347 Yeah, but i think it would be even more tragic if Biggering was kept in the film, that shows thorugh the years how the Onceler grew more and more greedy and at the end, he sees what hes done and its too late
@@Igna-hp8xx - I think it would of been great if they had Biggering as the reprise for How Bad I Can Be by it being sung during the scene when the Lorax is confronting the Once-Ler. Cause from what I can tell that appears to be where it’s sung so it would of still worked in if used in that moment. Sure we’d get another song not long after How Bad Can I Be but given how good Biggering is I doubt anyone would of complained.
I didn't even know about that unreleased track from #1. That was a hell of a bomb being dropped. Thanks for that, well, "illuminating" reveal to that side of the movie. I'll definitely be digging deeper into the unreleased stuff for that piece.
I absolutely agree! After hearing the lyrics of "Biggering", it perfectly represents the original tone of Dr. Seuss' "The Lorax". Robbery!
The Fairy Godmother's cover of "Holding Out For a Hero" EASILY takes the cake for me! Definitely #1 in my opinion!
agreed it's amazing.
Anastasia is one of my favorite animated films and I'm glad "In the Dark of the Night" made this list
The fact that we were freaking cheated from an epic onceler villan song (not saying I hated what we got or anything , just disappointed that we could've gotten a better song) is something I don't think I can ever forgive illumination's lorax for .
I'm glad Big and Loud made this list.
Me to
I'm glad 8 of the 10 were from my childhood growing up
@@patrickdees5256 Same.
@@patrickdees5256 What were the exceptions?
Actually 3 that were from my childhood. The song from Scott pilgrim, the song front equestria girls, and biggering. I've NEVER heard them before
23:18 " to the darkly and seductive" the take that Dr. Facilier is being seductive in "friends on the other side" is such a new concept to me honestly.
“Has to have lyrics”
One winged angel: so.. you’re saying I have a shot?
Lyrics not one name
@@diegoizaguirre3452 there are lyrics. They are in Latin.
does choir chanting count as lyrics.
@@ddjsoyenby no
God Shattering Star, anyone?
Shrek 2's use of the bass trombone to dig out the bottom and throw it in everyone's face makes it my favorite version.
If you plan on doing Disney songs.. STAY AWAY FROM LION KING 2019’s BE PREPARED!! THEY TURNED IT INTO A MONOLOGUE!!!
Yeah they totally ruined Be Prepared!
Disney Live-Action Remakes suck, i hope you've learned your lesson.
@@UltimateGamerCC This is Disney we're talking about. They'll never learn.
I'm pretty sure the original will be listed. Not the remake version. Never go disney live action remake version.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Long as people are stupid enough to go see these live action remakes, more will just keep being made.
I thought the usage of the lyrics from How Bad Can I Be in Biggering was on purpose, as Biggering was intended to come later in the movie. Like some sort of dark reprise.
We wish.
Biggering gives me chills. I feel like simply adding it would've been enough to make the whole movie better
Biggering could’ve been a good reprise of How Bad I Can Possibly Be in my opinion. Like sure the movie would’ve had to be longer, but it could’ve been such a good follow up to the dark end of HBICPB
Josh missed a real good opportunity to call this month “Malicious Melody Month.”
At least, he picked a banger intro song.
Honestly I don’t mind “How bad can I be”. But it’s kinda sad that we were robbed of a good song.
I don't mind it either. As Josh says it easy to blame the Once-ler's destruction on carelessness and I think that might have been the idea. The Once-ler does make a point in the original story about why he doesn't shut down or downsize his operations. His workers have to put food on the table and they can't do that if he does something that compromises his business. I always viewed the message of the Lorax of being one about sustainable growth i.e. planting additional trees for every tree you cut down. The song from the final film was high-lighting that at first, he wasn't really hurting anyone. He just didn't realize he needed to replinish the supploy of trees for his business until it was too late. He was never truly evil in the story as you can tell by the fact he has regretted his actions ever since that last tree fell.
If "in the dark of the the night" ain't on the list I'm fighting someone
Congratulations!
I guess you don’t have to fight anyone lol
@@IcyDiamond That's good I suck at fighting. Except for myself and my inner thoughts. I'm good at defeating those
Anastasia is underrated, it's not bad for a Princess type movie, and tbh i am down for ANYTHING with Christopher Lloyd in it.
@@smugscylla4481 well that’s kinda sad
Dude I absolutely applaud and love your number 1. Biggering is absolutely flawless. It is brilliant and captures so many feelings, its impossible to put into words how magnificent it is and you are right we were robbed.
I always thought the lyric was "Tie my sash; add a dash of cologne for that smell!" The first a directive, the second to help cover up his undead zombie stank
Was so happy to see Under Our Spell on this list. I know you're a well known brony, but I was scared it wasn't gonna make it due to obscurity.
The moment I heard THE guitar,instant satisfaction,kinda makes me want to do a rewrite on The Lorax,the original plan seemed to be SO MUCH BETTER
Biggering is a banger we were robbed from,and I'll never forgive Illumination for taking it away.
I would give anything to see the lorax with its original script, which is much better, I will never forgive illumination for taking away both biggering and the original script
For the next time this rolls around, we'll need to hear from the villains of gaming. We need praise for the homicidal killer robot with the singing voice of an angel, Glados.
Not sure how many video game villains get a song with lyrics... but if he does go that route I'm hoping for "Evil Queen" from Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure. Maybe it isn't the most menacing villain number out there, but it *is* fun.
Would One Winged Angel count for that, since it has Latin lyrics in it?
@@IcyDiamond Maybe, I don't make the rules.
Would the theme from Myst III: Exile count, seeing as the ominous Narayani chanting is Saavedro's vow of vengeance?
I wonder if "Throw Your Mask Away" from Persona 5 Royal would count since the villain in question isn't necessarily "evil." At least, not a total monster (they genuinely believe they're doing something good).
What I find interesting about "The Prince of Egypt" song is that nobody notices that Moses' staff snake eats both of the snakes Hotep and Huy produced.
If "Biggering" was played after "How Bad Can I Be?" that would have likely changed a lot of opinions on the movie.
And the onceler himself. He'd be seen as an actual horrible person rather then a guy who just made an honest mistake and was just a people pleaser
Now I'm imagining that after "How Bad Can I Be?", it cuts back to the present day, where the Once-ler is telling his story to Ted, telling him about how now he knows better and laments that he learned too late... The scene would then change to the inside of the Once-ler's house, still not showing his face, where he picks up a broken guitar and starts to play it. Through some miracle, it still sounds good and then it leads into "Biggering"...
Wow. The Lorax could have had one of the best villain song sequences ever in that case!
i blame the onceler fandom
@@lionheart6176 DId the onceler fandom already exist before the movie released? If so, then they're far scarier than I thought
I saw Shrek 2 in theaters at least THREE times just to see/hear that song on the big screen!
Worth it!
It came out when I was 9 when the movie came out and when we finally got it on DVD I wanted to watch it repeatedly because I loved it so much. I'll never forget once when I replayed it after we just watched it, my mom said, "You're gonna get tired of it."
I'm 26 and I've been falling asleep to the movie on loop (since I actually found a DVD version that loops) for over a week now. Needless to say, Mom was wrong.
@@KeeperOfUntoldDreams - I feel like that’s my mom with my dad over how he is with the first Star Wars trilogy. And likely how they are towards me with fashion dolls. (and possibly everything else I’m still obsessed with)
"Time to bring the brony out of the closet"
Josh, why are they even in the closet? We all know at this point and I actually like the pony Josh
Well, where else do you put things that you're not using anymore?
The funny thing I was expecting a TFS reference. You know the one
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEAR I LAY DORMANT...
@@tomlynmathewsjr7514 Instead we got a Thor Ragnarok reference. Not that I’m complaining.
BTW, we're about due for another video opening with an EQG-and-saxophone silhouette.
Didn't we see him during Top 10 Worst Bethesda Fails?
DUDE!! You have no idea, how excited I got hearing the intro to Biggering!! I wasn’t expecting it to be on the list, let alone be #1! 😃
It’s honestly my favorite song of the entire song track and yes, it could totally be up there with Hellfire if it got included in the movie.
Also thank you for defending the Shrek musical, it feels like I’m always in the minority when I think it’s actually a good musical. 🤗
I will never forgive Illumination for canceling that masterpiece you talked about in your number one spot. I still like "How Bad Can I Be" but I never knew about that original take of the film and thank you Josh for introducing me to it.
if originally it was going to be deeper and darker like in the original book and more the demo songs
@•Zerø• Illumination is apparently going for R rated and more adult animated filmmaking in the next few years, so perhaps that would give them a great opportunity to give us the cancelled ideas.
@@sweetdreams1028 if the company makes a remake of the lorax with its original plot only time will tell
When you started to build up to #1, I was hoping it would be Biggering. I was not disappointed! This song deserves all of the praise it gets and more!
On the riskof being lynched... I always remember Anastasia for "Once upon a December" rather than "In the dark of the night"...
Same honestly
Liz Callaway.... wow what a Voice...
It's cool that you're branching out into other subjects.
Anyway, I'm rooting for In The Dark of the Night.
That got number three!
Congratulations it got #3!
Can we talk about how impressive Darla Dimples' voice actress(es) are?! The girl who sang Big And Loud was only 8! I *wish* I was that talented as an adult!
More people needs to see this video and discover the masterpiece that Biggering was
They are already discovering it little by little
God that number 1 gave me chills.
Christ we were robbed. It's almost like the anti-capitalist message of the story was completely lost on the corporation that was adapting it.
I think you've missed the point of what josh saying.
I didn't realize how robbed we were on the lorax
We 100% were!
That could have been a song for the books.
i totally enjoyed The Lorax, would i rather read the book or watch the older movie? sure, but that doesnt mean i cant like the Modern version.
@@UltimateGamerCC My thoughts exactly! That song is still Stuck in My Head for almost a Decade!
Totally
I'm not sure what other lists are coming down the line, but I'm shocked there was no Dr. Horrible. The villain song from the similar-energy musical episode of Buffy is one of my all time favorites, too.
This aged like milk
The Onceler's story is a really dark one. I wish we got that song in the film though.
Yes
The Lorax’s section of Biggering sounds like something Seuss himself would write, that simple but deep writing that kids can understand and be entertained by while adults can admire the layers, and to me, that’s the biggest shame. Something in a Doctor Seuss movie actually felt like the source, and it was cut.
I wonder if either How Bad Can I Be or Biggering will be on the list?
Edit: Biggering was number one let’s go!
Biggering has my vote
@@buddyb3165 same
Well someone better Pick up the phone....
@@buddyb3165 I was right!!!
Haven't seen the movie, love How Bad Can I Be, but hoooooooooooooly shit they should've kept Biggering
I got a title.
"Musical Villainy Month"
You're Welcome.
Malevolent Melodies!
When you were building up the fake out with Zootopia, I was hoping you were actually alluding to Cats Don't Dance. When I turned out to be right, I pumped both of my fists in the air and silently screamed "YES". So happy to see one of my favorite childhood movies getting some recognition.
Hearing the dazzlings referred to as kidified heathers gave me life ❤
I think "How bad can I be" is still a good song that picks on corporations for their lame excuses and justifications for the terrible actions they choose to take, but "Biggering" is just so much more impactful and its message is much more broad.
It points a finger at everyone and says anyone could end up like the Onceler, not just on the corporate scale, but also on the individual and personal scale as well.
Honestly, I can't blame you for Biggering being number one. I honestly get chills listening to the song and currently, I work for a company that is going through the exact thing that the Onceler is going through. Granted it is not about the environment, but the message as well as the focus of what the song was actually going for... just chills! Also, I would recommend The Sin Squad youtube video on this song and how it could have made the film so much more impactful as well as possible reasons as to why it was cut. But good list! I look forward to the next one!
Nothing's Gonna Stop Me Now from Anna and the Apocalypse is a really great villain song, especially the full version of the song in the extended cut. Same goes for the villain songs in Rocky Horror Picture Show and Little Shop of Horrors (1986). The Devil's Carnival movies also has some great ones.
Fun fact though about the snake staff, Moses’s serpent ate the real ones. Its been speculated that this symbolized that fun tricks only work so well for so long against the real deal. Additionally that same detail happened in the original material too.
clever.
Only just found this video. But I fully support the Shrek 2 and Original Lorax choices. They really work as villain songs, and the Original Lorax really explored greed and pride, I really wish we didn't get robbed, but of course they couldn't sell merchandise if they actually made the movie like that.
Biggering is such an amazing song, that it might've actually saved the movie.
So your #1 choice.... it was unexpected, I never heard of it, but after hearing it and your explanation for why it made it to the top of the list I can honestly see why.
“You’ll Be Back” from Hamilton is an easy favorite for me
That's a musical, not a movie.
@@antonhagbox02 I know, but he was doing these for all the other mediums later on. I just put one for a musical here because it was the only one out at the time.
I love that Johnathan Young is your stand-in for fan remixes.
12:00 The full on heathers reference with that I love it