Thanks for the mention Jeremy. This was a fun watch. I don't comment often but when my name is used, I sometimes feel the need to offend myself. (The best defence is a good offence.) Technique, aim, hours on the board, and a backstop to catch flying discs, that's all it takes to get better at follow-through 20s - lots and lots of hours on the board... One of the toughest drills I do when practicing follow through 20s is to place the opponent disc outside the circle of pegs but close enough that your shooter disc will have a hard time squeezing through between the target disc and the pegs. Then shoot straight through the pegs, sending the target disc out the far side and following into the 15 / 20 area. Not a recommended shot during a game, due to its high risk nature, but fun in practice to see how much air time you can get. Happy New Year!!!!!
I’m here because someone in our club beat me yesterday with a follow through 20. I hate to lose, but I was in awe of the amazing shot. Came here to figure out how to do it myself.
Great video...I would only add that even the best players have a relatively low percentage on follow through 20s...so as you are practicing and learning don't get discouraged if you are not making them at a high rate. They are difficult to make.
are you sure about this? I feel like you have a very high success rate on follow through 20s... at least when you are sitting across the board from me. LOL. And yes, great point. I tried to say that and perhaps I should have driven it home a bit more.
@@TraceyBoards I think you did mention it, I just think that the average person wouldn't realize how low the percentages are for the top players. I would estimate my follow through percentage as less than 10%; the best follow through shooters - Roy, Jeremy, Nathan, and perhaps a couple of others in my opinion - I would estimate a % of between 20 and 30 percent (does that sound right to you?) in tournament play. Of course the numbers skew lower some because the best players are willing to try more and more difficult follow throughs, thus lowering their percentage. Anyway, all this to say in many things in life if you are only successful between 10 and 20 percent of the time, it's not particularly great - but with follow throughs, that's pretty good!
@@andrewhutchinson8960 I would guess its higher but I have been accused of being too optimistic at times and I'm ok with that 🤣 Even though i think higher its still pretty low. All I know fore sure is thats its damned satisfying:-)
The long-awaited video on follow-throughs was good - thanks! Those progressions make a lot of sense to practice. Can’t wait to dust off the board and get in some practice soon! I didn’t hear the secret pearl of wisdom though… “You’ve gotta want it!”
It’s been pretty hard waiting for Christmas to get here so I can start playing my new Tracey Crokinole board. Looking forward to many years of playing and showing new people to play. Thanks Jeremy.
glad you liked it. I eventually decided to take some pressure off myself and say, if folks have questions, comments, points of confusion we will do a 'follow up' on the 'follow through' :-) but wanted to give folks a starting place
Indeed, this episode takes us a bit down the rabbit hole - which I like. Our group consider the Follow Through to be the Bugatti in Crokinole. Truly a highlight. Plus: Thx for the great Roy-Story! I think I´ve seen almost all of his matches that had been provided by Crokinole Centre. Roy´s a great player. I dig his style!
so you like the "All Go, No Quit, Big Nuts, Harry Stamper" style of play do ya? LOL. that's a line from Armageddon that sums up the Roy Campbell approach :-)
Great video. Love playing on one of your boards. Your point about slowing down to visualize your shot is key. Time to start practicing these progressions.
Great video as always! ☺️ These are really hard to land indeed, but soooo satisfying, when you get it! 👌🏼😁 Thanks for the coaching. Speaking of which... Next time we meet you will have to coach me! 😁🤟🏼👌🏼
Great drill. I sometimes am successful with certain shots, this one included. The other day I impressed myself with a ricochet peel from about the 9 and 12 o'clock positions. I have a question. Do you already have a video that describes your glossary of terms like "hit & stick", which is obvious, but other terms such as bump and run (and dang it, I can't think of others you've mentioned in the past). That might be a useful video for people to learn. In the meantime, have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Yes, I've seen it in person and also posted many a times online. Here are my thoughts although there are no clear rules about this so it is definitely up for debate: th-cam.com/video/JwiXg0WESD8/w-d-xo.html
Nice! Helpful drills. As I've started to hit a few more of these playing regularly over the last 18 months I've realized the same - it sort of just takes time to figure it out on your own and for things to click. Also - do you pay attention to your disc being flat side vs. rounded side when you're taking this shot?
Glad you liked it, have fun with the drills. Re: buttons... I probably should pay more attention than I do. I guess if I notice it causing me trouble I pay more attention or if it is a tough shot I stop and give myself every advantage I can. If I need extra drift or action after the hit it goes flat up. If I really want to hit and stick it is flat down. Best practice is probably flat down every shot unless the situation calls for something different.
Jeremy-- I just want you to be aware that visualization techniques aren't 'spiritual' or 'esoteric.' They're tested and proven to be very effective for honing any skill: athletes, musicians, and craftspeople do it all the time. Don't be afraid to recommend it!
Yup. 🤣 I do agree 100%. This video was less scripted than normal so that wasn't a planned line, it just came out. And I think its because I have been teased about reading and talking about things like Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr Maxwell Maltz which is a bit of a mind bend 😆 and thats just the tip of my esoteric iceberg. I enjoy my essential oils, exogenous ketone, red light therapy, ice baths, meditation, ground mats, qi gong, ion foot detox and so much more. So, self proclaimed weird :-) when I miss a shot someone will say "unlucky" and I say "I dont believe in luck, if I shot it differently it would have ended differently." I dont beleive in luck because I have no control over it, how I shot i do have control over. Luck feels very victimy to me. I know that's not how its meant but words are powerful. I even believe in personal responsibility 🤣🤪
I agree that a follow though 20 is more of a push but it's tough to do it consistently so you're right about practicing drills to get more consistent. I use my middle finger to shoot and push the disk. I find for me a middle finger push is more centered and better for me at least to be more consistent. I also use the flat side of the disk down as I feel the shots are more predictable.
The idea of visualization shouldn’t remotely be thought of as spiritual/esoteric. Almost all of the great golfers use visualization techniques. Studies have shown that visualization only can have positive results that rival actual practice. And given your own opinion of visualization techniques, and your own success as a player, it seems the techniques also work for Crokinole.
I agree. That part of the video wasn't scripted, it just kinda came out. I believe that most if not all successful athletes use it in some way even if they don't call it that or realize it at the time. :-)
Will you follow through on these progressions?!?!?! See what we did there???🤣
Thanks for the mention Jeremy.
This was a fun watch. I don't comment often but when my name is used, I sometimes feel the need to offend myself. (The best defence is a good offence.)
Technique, aim, hours on the board, and a backstop to catch flying discs, that's all it takes to get better at follow-through 20s - lots and lots of hours on the board...
One of the toughest drills I do when practicing follow through 20s is to place the opponent disc outside the circle of pegs but close enough that your shooter disc will have a hard time squeezing through between the target disc and the pegs.
Then shoot straight through the pegs, sending the target disc out the far side and following into the 15 / 20 area.
Not a recommended shot during a game, due to its high risk nature, but fun in practice to see how much air time you can get.
Happy New Year!!!!!
Offend away RC 🤣
I’m here because someone in our club beat me yesterday with a follow through 20. I hate to lose, but I was in awe of the amazing shot. Came here to figure out how to do it myself.
Yup, losing sucks and is super inspiring all at the same time :-)
Great video...I would only add that even the best players have a relatively low percentage on follow through 20s...so as you are practicing and learning don't get discouraged if you are not making them at a high rate. They are difficult to make.
are you sure about this? I feel like you have a very high success rate on follow through 20s... at least when you are sitting across the board from me. LOL.
And yes, great point. I tried to say that and perhaps I should have driven it home a bit more.
@@TraceyBoards I think you did mention it, I just think that the average person wouldn't realize how low the percentages are for the top players. I would estimate my follow through percentage as less than 10%; the best follow through shooters - Roy, Jeremy, Nathan, and perhaps a couple of others in my opinion - I would estimate a % of between 20 and 30 percent (does that sound right to you?) in tournament play. Of course the numbers skew lower some because the best players are willing to try more and more difficult follow throughs, thus lowering their percentage. Anyway, all this to say in many things in life if you are only successful between 10 and 20 percent of the time, it's not particularly great - but with follow throughs, that's pretty good!
@@andrewhutchinson8960 I would guess its higher but I have been accused of being too optimistic at times and I'm ok with that 🤣
Even though i think higher its still pretty low. All I know fore sure is thats its damned satisfying:-)
The long-awaited video on follow-throughs was good - thanks! Those progressions make a lot of sense to practice. Can’t wait to dust off the board and get in some practice soon! I didn’t hear the secret pearl of wisdom though… “You’ve gotta want it!”
How bad do you want it (sang EXACTLY like Tim MaGraw)
Dude I just saw this video! Commenting during the intro. So pumped for this. People need to watch out for me.
The Croki-verse will consider itself warned :-)
Another excellent video! 👏👏👏
we aim to please :-)
It’s been pretty hard waiting for Christmas to get here so I can start playing my new Tracey Crokinole board. Looking forward to many years of playing and showing new people to play. Thanks Jeremy.
You have my blessing to open it up early... although I am not responsible for the trouble you may or may not get into LOL
Congratulations on putting this one out there, I know you've been working on it for some time. Just in time for Christmas too. Well done.
glad you liked it. I eventually decided to take some pressure off myself and say, if folks have questions, comments, points of confusion we will do a 'follow up' on the 'follow through' :-) but wanted to give folks a starting place
Indeed, this episode takes us a bit down the rabbit hole - which I like. Our group consider the Follow Through to be the Bugatti in Crokinole. Truly a highlight. Plus: Thx for the great Roy-Story! I think I´ve seen almost all of his matches that had been provided by Crokinole Centre. Roy´s a great player. I dig his style!
so you like the "All Go, No Quit, Big Nuts, Harry Stamper" style of play do ya? LOL. that's a line from Armageddon that sums up the Roy Campbell approach :-)
@@TraceyBoards , Big Nuts happens to be my middle name. 😁
Great video. Love playing on one of your boards. Your point about slowing down to visualize your shot is key. Time to start practicing these progressions.
Law of attraction type stuff :-)
Great video as always! ☺️ These are really hard to land indeed, but soooo satisfying, when you get it! 👌🏼😁
Thanks for the coaching. Speaking of which... Next time we meet you will have to coach me! 😁🤟🏼👌🏼
I will send you my rates 🤣
Great drill. I sometimes am successful with certain shots, this one included. The other day I impressed myself with a ricochet peel from about the 9 and 12 o'clock positions.
I have a question. Do you already have a video that describes your glossary of terms like "hit & stick", which is obvious, but other terms such as bump and run (and dang it, I can't think of others you've mentioned in the past).
That might be a useful video for people to learn.
In the meantime, have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year!
We will add this idea to the list :-)
Have you ever had a puck in the 20 with another puck on top of it. How would that be scored???
Yes, I've seen it in person and also posted many a times online. Here are my thoughts although there are no clear rules about this so it is definitely up for debate: th-cam.com/video/JwiXg0WESD8/w-d-xo.html
Nice! Helpful drills. As I've started to hit a few more of these playing regularly over the last 18 months I've realized the same - it sort of just takes time to figure it out on your own and for things to click.
Also - do you pay attention to your disc being flat side vs. rounded side when you're taking this shot?
Glad you liked it, have fun with the drills. Re: buttons... I probably should pay more attention than I do. I guess if I notice it causing me trouble I pay more attention or if it is a tough shot I stop and give myself every advantage I can. If I need extra drift or action after the hit it goes flat up. If I really want to hit and stick it is flat down. Best practice is probably flat down every shot unless the situation calls for something different.
Jeremy-- I just want you to be aware that visualization techniques aren't 'spiritual' or 'esoteric.' They're tested and proven to be very effective for honing any skill: athletes, musicians, and craftspeople do it all the time. Don't be afraid to recommend it!
Yup. 🤣 I do agree 100%. This video was less scripted than normal so that wasn't a planned line, it just came out. And I think its because I have been teased about reading and talking about things like Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr Maxwell Maltz which is a bit of a mind bend 😆 and thats just the tip of my esoteric iceberg. I enjoy my essential oils, exogenous ketone, red light therapy, ice baths, meditation, ground mats, qi gong, ion foot detox and so much more. So, self proclaimed weird :-) when I miss a shot someone will say "unlucky" and I say "I dont believe in luck, if I shot it differently it would have ended differently." I dont beleive in luck because I have no control over it, how I shot i do have control over. Luck feels very victimy to me. I know that's not how its meant but words are powerful.
I even believe in personal responsibility 🤣🤪
Dr. Joseph Parent has written books on the topic. I have two that resulted in drastic changes to both my score and enjoyment of the game.
@@Zerpersande guess what just went on my book wish list 🙂
@@Zerpersande is there one of his books in particular that you would recommend above the others? I see Zen Golf and also Zen Putting.
I agree that a follow though 20 is more of a push but it's tough to do it consistently so you're right about practicing drills to get more consistent. I use my middle finger to shoot and push the disk. I find for me a middle finger push is more centered and better for me at least to be more consistent. I also use the flat side of the disk down as I feel the shots are more predictable.
we will test this out in person soon enough :-)
The idea of visualization shouldn’t remotely be thought of as spiritual/esoteric. Almost all of the great golfers use visualization techniques. Studies have shown that visualization only can have positive results that rival actual practice. And given your own opinion of visualization techniques, and your own success as a player, it seems the techniques also work for Crokinole.
I agree. That part of the video wasn't scripted, it just kinda came out. I believe that most if not all successful athletes use it in some way even if they don't call it that or realize it at the time. :-)