I love how often he's audibly glad that he's not fighting The Price of Silence, it's like every other battle he's glad there are no time constraints. The trauma that a single, never reused battle mechanic can do to a man.
Extra Points for Price of Silence being way more fun then stuff like Red Hood and Judgement Bird for me, but I guess that is a diffrence in opinon/willingness to press P. I wonder if they bring it back in Limbus.
@@plinfan6541 Judgement Bird is miles above Red Hood, you can just unga bunga it. The only truly bad abno out of these three is Red because it's a horrible gimmick for a level 1 floor.
@@anothenblue2630 I disagree that the fight itself was horrible. What made the fight really hard for me wasn't necessarily the gimmick of needing Red to get the finishing blow, it's the fact that the Wolf's high die rolls on his combat pages outclasses what your nuggets would generally have by the time the suppression is available (in this case, probably late urban plague to early urban nightmare), especially the counter block die that gives strength on clash win. The fight would be much more manageable simply by getting stronger combat pages on later stages of the story, or if you did what Foreman did, debuff the wolf to high heaven so that both your nuggets and Red can actually clash with the wolf properly.
@@universeimagination7495 you absolutely can outroll the wolf at that point in the game, either with specific pages or debuffs. The problem is that most pages that can do it at that point will also make you brick because you have only 4 light at most and your max EL is 1. This gets even worse when he gets MAs *every turn* and you have no light to use anything.
@@anothenblue2630 Which is why I said "generally" as certain pages at that point can definitely win clashes against the wolf, like Transpierce, but again, generally most pages are more likely to lose in clashes with the wolf unless you give him debuffs, which I also already stated. Debuffing the wolf is actually the best way to win the fight as you can even see Red using debuffs of her own attacks like Beast Hunt giving 5 disarm to make the Wolf's block and counter block die useless. Not only that, a decent amount of debuff cards are actually cheap, especially those that involve paralysis from gaze office. Furthermore, the mass attack the wolf does isn't even that bad as it's only 7-11 mass summation which a lot of cheap pages can already cover. Now if it was a mass attack individual or the summation was higher then I'd see your frustration.
Trivia: the Qliphoth of Netzach is named Gharab. Gharab is related to corrupted/uncontrolled creation. Not only does this serve as a foil to the Floor of Art but it also refers to the destructive tendencies of the Musicians of Bremen.
Other games:"You thought it was over? Guess what, another boss phase!" Ruina: "You thought there would be another phase due to Angela's corrosion passive? Well no, you actually win!"
Bremen have the unfortunate problem of a language barrier that not only prevents them from actually saying anything about the meaning of life to Netzach, but also deprives them of characterization. The three heads are actually meant to have their own personalities, which are elaborated upon in the artbook, while their philosophy is revealed in the key page story though it's short. At the same time, do they really need it? We already had a reception of other Musicians of Bremen, they aren't that much different. As far as the fight goes, it's the easiest fight regardless of what keypages you bring. Just like Eileen, Bremen have the unfortunate problem of facing a very broken floor. After all, Incomprehensible and Tentacle exist and they have no means of protecting themselves from either one. The mooks aren't strong enough to protect the boss from getting debuffed into oblivion and constantly staggered. It can become a problem only if you somehow fail to damage them enough, but again, this is Netzach, he's great at staggering bosses. Even if you somehow fail, Springe Genesis makes the fight completely impossible to lose once active. Personally, their keypage is one of my favourites in terms of aesthetic, but one of its main problems is that it's designed to look right ONLY with their own combat pages, but you barely get any. This results in most GFX being terribly misaligned. GFX from their own combat pages are also misaligned when used by others, e.g. the stomp effect is way too high when used by anyone other than Bremen while normal Slash GFX is too low when Bremen use it. I simply can't use that key page without mods because it's really distracting.
I like bremen fight it can either be extremely long or short depend on how you perform. I still regret sitting infront of my computer spending 2 hour-ish trying to beat this fight only to give up, try again and end up killing him before the second phase
Still better then the people who, when the update first came out, beat Bremen by exploiting the Intargibilty effect of Spring Genesis to have their last Nugget chip-damage Bremen to death. Which took up to half a hour.
This fight is the one which allowed me to see how completely broken incomprehensible is. It absolutely carries boss fights since you can always inflict like 5+ disarm and feeble EVERY scene if used correctly.
@@darlingdarling2943 i regret making that comment and i also have no idea why i dint see it was mispelled but i also dint do much experimenting with the page myself soo i just assumed that the page would only proc 3 times plus the rng it doesnt proc at all plus if you really can inflict this much feeble into the opponent doesnt that mean you're already winning?
@@LeoB100 It’s all good, I was joking since it’s kind of a meme that Project Moon players can’t read. If I recall, the abnormality page’s power really comes in one-sided attacks which I really disliked when I first unlocked that abno page. But if you can’t out-clash the opponent, having 2 or 3 pages hitting the same target will really cripple them with this page and makes it much easier to clash against them in future scenes. I also initially thought you could only inflict like 3 feeble and disarm per turn, which is still good, but it’s way more than that.
Poor Netzach, all of his friends get to have a deep conversation and he's stuck with the farm animals. Also, I just learned that Bremen being a chimera is a reference to the tale. In the tale, a hunter is chasing the musicians and to scare him, they stack on top of each other and do their respective cries. The hunter sees the strange shadow of the musicians and hearing the noises thinks it's a monster so it runs away. Here it's a bit more literal.
Alternatively, living for the sake of living vs actively trying to find some meaning in life even if it makes everyone suffer in the process. It also ties into his realization, the theme of which was coping with life. Netzach choses to persevere even if he doesn't know why, Bremen believe that pursuit of their art will bring colors into their lives.
Kind of a pity each battle doesn't have a unique music track to it. Just imagine what the Musicians of Bremen's song could have been. Also, imagine if in the pre-battle dialogue, it was revealed that the musicians can talk, and they are actually really sane and polite. Would have been really funny
Prob the easiest fight of the Reverberation. The only reason this fight can be difficult is if your going for a full lock, you are prob using your weakest keypages for this fight. Also not that surprising The Thumb build is op, its literally the speedrunners build of choice.
Don’t worry about speeding through library to reach Limbus. Just enjoy Library at your own pace. In my opinion you should do a video or just save a video of playing Limbus today and do the prologue (should be 30mins ish or less) and then stop playing. They keep giving out 10x rolls as they improve the game but since you haven’t made an account yet then that means you’ll be missing out. Either way it’s your choice but I’d like to help make sure that you can enjoy the gatcha aspect.
Okay, first things first. My opinions on this fight might be a little skewed because of a glitch when this reception was released. The turn after Bremen used Chorus at the Climax, his resistances would be set to Endured (Or normal?) instead of Fatal. And Bremen had a lot of HP, especially since you weren't focusing him during phase 1 to take down the adds, which might mean he could start Phase 2 with above 800 HP. This fight took forever. And even without all the above, I think this is the third hardest Ensemble fight for me. Bremen has incredibly high rolls for his cards gimmick to be Strength and Feeble stacking. And his minions can be surprisingly deadly because of it. Trio is a scary attack, and some of his other stuff hits hard. Or maybe I'm just bad. I think a lot of the difficulty of this fight can be managed by properly using the Tagged status Bremen's Donkey head gives you. Bremen's cards are all naturally 0 cost being boss pages, so they're free extremely powerful cards for you to borrow. It's only annoying when you get stuff like the puppet or gear cards. ...Oh yeah, it's really weird that Ms. Mermaid is here. Okay, onwards. Really, this fight shows what I feel is the saddest part of the limited rewards we get for these fights. I would have loved to get Bremen's updated versions of the Musicians of Bremen cards we got back in Urban Plague. Anyways, dialogue. The Musicians of Bremen: Woof, Doodledoo, and Heehaw Battle Start: Woof woof! Cockadoodledoo~ Heehaw~!! Ally dies HeeHaw: Eeyore. Doodle-Doo: Bawk… Bawk… Woof: Arf! Kill HeeHaw: NEIIIIGH~!!! Doodle-Doo: BAWK~!! BOWWOW!!! Woof: Ruff roof ruff!! GROWL RUFF RUFF!!! Victory: Cluck… BAWBAWK~!! Death: … Librarians Battle Start L4: A Distortion… I’m getting bad vibes. L3: Huh, they’ve got three heads… L2: Hey, my man Netzach. Think we’ll be alright? L1: Well, nothing says we can’t handle ‘em. Net: Yeah… We don’t know till we try. Ally dies: Netzach Looks like things are heading to the risky side… We gotta tense up a bit, guys. People fight passionately ‘cuz they wanna live… I won’t run away anymore… The outlook… doesn’t seem all that good. Librarian 1: Are we gonna be alright…? Still have a fair chance to come out on top. …They’re putting us on the defensive. Librarian 2: This doesn’t look good… I guess… retreat isn’t an option. Everyone… seems so tired. Librarian 3: What’s up with that… How do they wield that kind of power? What a headache… I can’t see a solution. There’s… got to be a way. Librarian 4: The rest of us gotta watch out. Dammit… They aren’t easy foes at all What can we do to take away its powers… Kills enemy Netzach I’m growing used to this kinda stuff now… Sigh… They’re not in the right mind at all. Seems the noise is starting to die down… Let’s keep our chins up for a bit more… Librarian 1 Gotta take care of the rest. If we keep on this flow… it won’t be impossible. I think I’m starting to get an idea of what to do. Librarian 2 Nice… Hit ‘em in the sweet spot. The ones on the side don’t look normal, either… Anyone would want to end this as quickly as possible… Librarian 3 That was close. Let’s hang in there. Good. We’re starting to see a way out, it seems? Librarian 4 What a bother… How many are there still? Can we defeat them all…? Maybe there really is a chance for us to win… Death: Net: …I couldn’t help much again. L1: Not good. If this keeps up… L2: Will it be alright… without me… L3: For real, they’re monsters… L4: Sorry… I can’t do this anymore… Victory: L4: Dragging on would’ve made things a lot less safe… L3: It was quite tricky… Their power is nothing to thumb your nose at. L2: I’m glad we could take care of this. L1: Netzach… Are the other floors doing good? Net: This… I’m not the biggest fan of it.
Damn Musicians, always talking my ear off... discord.gg/foreman
I love how often he's audibly glad that he's not fighting The Price of Silence, it's like every other battle he's glad there are no time constraints. The trauma that a single, never reused battle mechanic can do to a man.
Extra Points for Price of Silence being way more fun then stuff like Red Hood and Judgement Bird for me, but I guess that is a diffrence in opinon/willingness to press P.
I wonder if they bring it back in Limbus.
@@plinfan6541 Judgement Bird is miles above Red Hood, you can just unga bunga it. The only truly bad abno out of these three is Red because it's a horrible gimmick for a level 1 floor.
@@anothenblue2630 I disagree that the fight itself was horrible. What made the fight really hard for me wasn't necessarily the gimmick of needing Red to get the finishing blow, it's the fact that the Wolf's high die rolls on his combat pages outclasses what your nuggets would generally have by the time the suppression is available (in this case, probably late urban plague to early urban nightmare), especially the counter block die that gives strength on clash win. The fight would be much more manageable simply by getting stronger combat pages on later stages of the story, or if you did what Foreman did, debuff the wolf to high heaven so that both your nuggets and Red can actually clash with the wolf properly.
@@universeimagination7495 you absolutely can outroll the wolf at that point in the game, either with specific pages or debuffs. The problem is that most pages that can do it at that point will also make you brick because you have only 4 light at most and your max EL is 1. This gets even worse when he gets MAs *every turn* and you have no light to use anything.
@@anothenblue2630 Which is why I said "generally" as certain pages at that point can definitely win clashes against the wolf, like Transpierce, but again, generally most pages are more likely to lose in clashes with the wolf unless you give him debuffs, which I also already stated. Debuffing the wolf is actually the best way to win the fight as you can even see Red using debuffs of her own attacks like Beast Hunt giving 5 disarm to make the Wolf's block and counter block die useless. Not only that, a decent amount of debuff cards are actually cheap, especially those that involve paralysis from gaze office. Furthermore, the mass attack the wolf does isn't even that bad as it's only 7-11 mass summation which a lot of cheap pages can already cover. Now if it was a mass attack individual or the summation was higher then I'd see your frustration.
Netzach: *actually saying some deep stuff about art*
Bremen: WOOF WOOF!!!
COCKADOODLEDOO!!!
YEE HAW!!!
Silent Orchestra: . . . . . .
if silent orchestra was a fixer bros color name would be "the white noise"
Trivia: the Qliphoth of Netzach is named Gharab. Gharab is related to corrupted/uncontrolled creation. Not only does this serve as a foil to the Floor of Art but it also refers to the destructive tendencies of the Musicians of Bremen.
Other games:"You thought it was over? Guess what, another boss phase!"
Ruina: "You thought there would be another phase due to Angela's corrosion passive? Well no, you actually win!"
Meanwhile, Crying Children with 9 phases
At least it tells you
Bremen have the unfortunate problem of a language barrier that not only prevents them from actually saying anything about the meaning of life to Netzach, but also deprives them of characterization. The three heads are actually meant to have their own personalities, which are elaborated upon in the artbook, while their philosophy is revealed in the key page story though it's short. At the same time, do they really need it? We already had a reception of other Musicians of Bremen, they aren't that much different.
As far as the fight goes, it's the easiest fight regardless of what keypages you bring. Just like Eileen, Bremen have the unfortunate problem of facing a very broken floor. After all, Incomprehensible and Tentacle exist and they have no means of protecting themselves from either one. The mooks aren't strong enough to protect the boss from getting debuffed into oblivion and constantly staggered. It can become a problem only if you somehow fail to damage them enough, but again, this is Netzach, he's great at staggering bosses. Even if you somehow fail, Springe Genesis makes the fight completely impossible to lose once active.
Personally, their keypage is one of my favourites in terms of aesthetic, but one of its main problems is that it's designed to look right ONLY with their own combat pages, but you barely get any. This results in most GFX being terribly misaligned. GFX from their own combat pages are also misaligned when used by others, e.g. the stomp effect is way too high when used by anyone other than Bremen while normal Slash GFX is too low when Bremen use it. I simply can't use that key page without mods because it's really distracting.
I like bremen fight it can either be extremely long or short depend on how you perform. I still regret sitting infront of my computer spending 2 hour-ish trying to beat this fight only to give up, try again and end up killing him before the second phase
My strat is to treat phase 2 like a failure condition
Ita way easier to just kill bremen before they enter it
Still better then the people who, when the update first came out, beat Bremen by exploiting the Intargibilty effect of Spring Genesis to have their last Nugget chip-damage Bremen to death. Which took up to half a hour.
This fight is the one which allowed me to see how completely broken incomprehensible is. It absolutely carries boss fights since you can always inflict like 5+ disarm and feeble EVERY scene if used correctly.
my guy did you rad the page?
@@LeoB100 I assume you mean reading? And what is that?
@@darlingdarling2943 i regret making that comment and i also have no idea why i dint see it was mispelled but i also dint do much experimenting with the page myself soo i just assumed that the page would only proc 3 times plus the rng it doesnt proc at all plus if you really can inflict this much feeble into the opponent doesnt that mean you're already winning?
@@LeoB100 It’s all good, I was joking since it’s kind of a meme that Project Moon players can’t read. If I recall, the abnormality page’s power really comes in one-sided attacks which I really disliked when I first unlocked that abno page. But if you can’t out-clash the opponent, having 2 or 3 pages hitting the same target will really cripple them with this page and makes it much easier to clash against them in future scenes. I also initially thought you could only inflict like 3 feeble and disarm per turn, which is still good, but it’s way more than that.
We're nearing the end. Gonna be sad when Ruina is over, but looking forward to future series.
Same
Its Limbin time
Poor Netzach, all of his friends get to have a deep conversation and he's stuck with the farm animals. Also, I just learned that Bremen being a chimera is a reference to the tale.
In the tale, a hunter is chasing the musicians and to scare him, they stack on top of each other and do their respective cries. The hunter sees the strange shadow of the musicians and hearing the noises thinks it's a monster so it runs away. Here it's a bit more literal.
The main difference is that the cat is missing since she was left behind with MuMu and Oink. Otherwise, it would be 4 heads.
The Art of Indulging in oneself and life Vs The Art of Mutilating One's self and Others.
Alternatively, living for the sake of living vs actively trying to find some meaning in life even if it makes everyone suffer in the process. It also ties into his realization, the theme of which was coping with life. Netzach choses to persevere even if he doesn't know why, Bremen believe that pursuit of their art will bring colors into their lives.
Only Netzie could have a lengthy conversation about art with a troupe of animals
Kind of a pity each battle doesn't have a unique music track to it. Just imagine what the Musicians of Bremen's song could have been.
Also, imagine if in the pre-battle dialogue, it was revealed that the musicians can talk, and they are actually really sane and polite. Would have been really funny
Welp,Dante in Limbus Co. speaks in clock ticking so i wouldnt say that Musicians of bremen are someone who have worst communicative abilitu
I prefer hearing Dante's clock ticking rather than hearing chicken donkey and dog screaming at the same time
Nets out here having the sort of deep conversation one has in a shower mumbling to themselves
Poor Netzach is trying to make a conversation happen with Bremen.
Prob the easiest fight of the Reverberation. The only reason this fight can be difficult is if your going for a full lock, you are prob using your weakest keypages for this fight. Also not that surprising The Thumb build is op, its literally the speedrunners build of choice.
4:58 British jumpscare
(Price of silence exists) foreman:reeeeee
Don’t worry about speeding through library to reach Limbus. Just enjoy Library at your own pace. In my opinion you should do a video or just save a video of playing Limbus today and do the prologue (should be 30mins ish or less) and then stop playing. They keep giving out 10x rolls as they improve the game but since you haven’t made an account yet then that means you’ll be missing out. Either way it’s your choice but I’d like to help make sure that you can enjoy the gatcha aspect.
Okay, first things first. My opinions on this fight might be a little skewed because of a glitch when this reception was released.
The turn after Bremen used Chorus at the Climax, his resistances would be set to Endured (Or normal?) instead of Fatal. And Bremen had a lot of HP, especially since you weren't focusing him during phase 1 to take down the adds, which might mean he could start Phase 2 with above 800 HP. This fight took forever.
And even without all the above, I think this is the third hardest Ensemble fight for me. Bremen has incredibly high rolls for his cards gimmick to be Strength and Feeble stacking. And his minions can be surprisingly deadly because of it. Trio is a scary attack, and some of his other stuff hits hard.
Or maybe I'm just bad.
I think a lot of the difficulty of this fight can be managed by properly using the Tagged status Bremen's Donkey head gives you. Bremen's cards are all naturally 0 cost being boss pages, so they're free extremely powerful cards for you to borrow. It's only annoying when you get stuff like the puppet or gear cards.
...Oh yeah, it's really weird that Ms. Mermaid is here.
Okay, onwards. Really, this fight shows what I feel is the saddest part of the limited rewards we get for these fights. I would have loved to get Bremen's updated versions of the Musicians of Bremen cards we got back in Urban Plague.
Anyways, dialogue.
The Musicians of Bremen: Woof, Doodledoo, and Heehaw
Battle Start: Woof woof! Cockadoodledoo~ Heehaw~!!
Ally dies
HeeHaw: Eeyore.
Doodle-Doo: Bawk… Bawk…
Woof: Arf!
Kill
HeeHaw: NEIIIIGH~!!!
Doodle-Doo: BAWK~!! BOWWOW!!!
Woof: Ruff roof ruff!! GROWL RUFF RUFF!!!
Victory: Cluck… BAWBAWK~!!
Death: …
Librarians
Battle Start
L4: A Distortion… I’m getting bad vibes.
L3: Huh, they’ve got three heads…
L2: Hey, my man Netzach. Think we’ll be alright?
L1: Well, nothing says we can’t handle ‘em.
Net: Yeah… We don’t know till we try.
Ally dies:
Netzach
Looks like things are heading to the risky side… We gotta tense up a bit, guys.
People fight passionately ‘cuz they wanna live…
I won’t run away anymore…
The outlook… doesn’t seem all that good.
Librarian 1:
Are we gonna be alright…?
Still have a fair chance to come out on top.
…They’re putting us on the defensive.
Librarian 2:
This doesn’t look good…
I guess… retreat isn’t an option.
Everyone… seems so tired.
Librarian 3:
What’s up with that… How do they wield that kind of power?
What a headache… I can’t see a solution.
There’s… got to be a way.
Librarian 4:
The rest of us gotta watch out.
Dammit… They aren’t easy foes at all
What can we do to take away its powers…
Kills enemy
Netzach
I’m growing used to this kinda stuff now…
Sigh… They’re not in the right mind at all.
Seems the noise is starting to die down…
Let’s keep our chins up for a bit more…
Librarian 1
Gotta take care of the rest.
If we keep on this flow… it won’t be impossible.
I think I’m starting to get an idea of what to do.
Librarian 2
Nice… Hit ‘em in the sweet spot.
The ones on the side don’t look normal, either…
Anyone would want to end this as quickly as possible…
Librarian 3
That was close.
Let’s hang in there.
Good. We’re starting to see a way out, it seems?
Librarian 4
What a bother… How many are there still?
Can we defeat them all…?
Maybe there really is a chance for us to win…
Death:
Net: …I couldn’t help much again.
L1: Not good. If this keeps up…
L2: Will it be alright… without me…
L3: For real, they’re monsters…
L4: Sorry… I can’t do this anymore…
Victory:
L4: Dragging on would’ve made things a lot less safe…
L3: It was quite tricky… Their power is nothing to thumb your nose at.
L2: I’m glad we could take care of this.
L1: Netzach… Are the other floors doing good?
Net: This… I’m not the biggest fan of it.
When the time comes,
Solo Gebura Red Mist. Trust me
Good
new vidddd
Library of ruina is better than limbus company