So many of you say that these are not muscle cars whatsoever. So is it that the American ones cannot turn and these potential non-US ones can and that's basically why you write them off? I am open for a discussion. Tell me, what else defines a muscle car (other than affordable price, but markets and financial situations are different amongst various parts of the world which is why I sort of skipped that).
VisioRacer it's not that, it's the fact that the muscle car is an American concept. Really most of the non-American cars that could potentially fit into this category are Australian Holdens and Ford's (Because they are still American companies.) There are only a few on this list that have the potential to fit into the muscle car category and that is because they either are made by American companies or have American engines
A muscle car is a sedan or coupe with an engine too powerful for the chassis and suspension to handle. If the chassis and suspension are designed to handle the power of the engine, it isn't a muscle car. Muscle cars exist because American car companies wanted to make sports cars, but they didn't want to spend the time and effort to build proper chassis and suspensions, so they put huge engines into their normal cars. That is why people say "muscle cars can't corner" -- because they were never designed to go so fast. The problem is not that the cars you selected are bad, the problem is they *are too good* to be muscle cars.
To be a "muscle-car" in the American definition, all that's needed are three things: 1. More horsepower then sense. 2. The road manners akin to a riding three legged cow on a frozen lake. 3. Just enough brakes to see what is about to kill you as you smash into it.
lol, until pretty recently that was true, but the later renditions of corvette, mustang, charger and camaro, are all pretty road worthy vehicles, and they`re basically the quintessential examples of muscle cars, both history-wise and today ;)
An M5, Audi RS7 or Merc E63 AMG will eat any U.S. muscle car for breakfast. And please dont come with Nurenburg ring times, its totally up to the driver, U.S. car companies hire the best drivers with race slick tires, while the rest of the cars go usually with serial production tires and mediocore drivers, in a real life scenario german cars always win.
Zac Gobshite you said that the jenson sounded good if you payed atening that's because it came with a cheysler v8 and as we all know how great a hotroded American iron sounds like no other believe or not there have been other car company's indifferent country's even Japan that have tried copy the American v8 sound and no i'm not making that up I all ways thought that was funny because us American just did it are way😂
Good start, but you missed all the Aussie muscle cars, ford GT HO phase 3 falcon, Holden torana GTR XUI, Torana A9X, valiant charger, valiant pacer.............. Let's see this in the next edition. Cheers
jacob motosicky All AM V8s have a faulty gasket that leaks almost all engine oil. To replace it you are looking at at least $12K. Clutch goes much early too if you buy a manual. You've been warned.
The "affordable" part would be rather controversial as market, people and economy are very very different now and back then too in America and other parts of the world.
MrcabooseVG We can get them fairly cheap here too, it doesn't make them true muscle car. The guy down the road put one on a Ford Bronco Frame. Road Kill created Draguar, google that. That's what blue collar does to a UK sports car.
well I personally think that the bmw's are not muscle cars but sport cars and I expected some Australian muscle cars like the 1973 ford falcon xb gt or the 1973 holden monaro gts
The best looking in the bunch are the BMW 840 and the Aston Martin V8. I have always described the Aston V8 as a Rolls Royce muscle car. Refined with nice classy touches, but hit the gas and this car shows its power with the right sounds and lots of brute power.
I definitely would've added the CLK430 and CLK55 to make it an even 10. Very affordable and very well built V8 2 door coupes. Both feel like muscle cars, but with a touch of class.
Don't mind the Americans, they get upset when it's pointed out the rest of the world builds better V8's and cars. Putting truck engines into ancient, body on frame cars is their specialty.
Haha 🤣🤣 That's how American cars consistently match or beat the performance of other cars around world-renowned race tracks and road courses. By not being as good.
The Capri at 4:43 is not a Perana , it's a 3000GT from Finland that has a 302W V8 in it but it's not a genuine Basil Green motors Perana V8 from South Africa, the one at 4:49 is also just a regular 4 cylinder Capri with a 302 V8, i doubt that the first one is real either.
You should have split this into a modern and classic video. Many more classic cars such as the Monteverdi High-speed, Bitter CD, Iso Grifo, Maserati Ghibli/Indy, et al. would have been applicable.
Thorbjørn Madsen No The 1st Generation Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Which Used The M156 V8 Producing 425HP Is A 6.2L N/A, (6,208cc) Although Due To Mercs 1st Production V8 (The M100) Being A 6.3L It Was Named As "A 6.3 Litre" To Honour It, SO YOURE ALL FUCKING IDIOTS! Although this engine displaces 6.208 liters, it is marketed as the "6.3" to commemorate Mercedes' famed 6.3L M100 engine, its first production V8. - Wikipedia
I'd add Alfa Romeo Montreal to the list too......and some old Opel's like Manta, Monza and Record Coupe look totally "muscle", although they didn't come with V8's.
The rest of the world now is making more muscle cars than America.Just compare how much Ford has now compared to Mercedes. one mustang vs several 63AMGs.
If drifting had existed in the 1970s, the Ford Capri (especially the Mark II) would have been the car of choice - light, powerful, and rear wheel drive that made it easy to throw out the back end around corners.
I guess thats debatable too. In fact only about 1000 original Cobras were produced including the much rarer 427 variants. In my mind at least, a muscle car is a high performance, with a decent quantity produced (I'll include limited edition model in here), affordable, sports car without too many luxuries, usually built by mainstream companies, sometimes based on existing generic models
Claim to fame: when I worked in southampton docks in the UK, someone had their Gordon Keeble shipped across from the Isle of Wight to have it's servicing done by a specialist. I drove that car about 1.5 miles in the docks, and it was a total event :D
Most AMG and M cars larger than M3. Possibly the Infiniti whatever-the-fuck-the-G37-is-called-now. 400 hp and a whole lot of nothing else. Lexus' RC might qualify too, if its price weren't so high. IS-F?
1:44 so just saying there's a car in Brazil called "brasinca" and if you take the Jensen interseptor and the brasinca you will see that the both cars are really similar
Round it up to 10 with the Maserati Ghibli! (Not the new one, the cool one from 67-73.) It has a great rumble at idle, screams when at speed. (And it looks fantastic!) Happy to see the Gordon Keeble here, but I'd swap out the XJR for an ISO. The Rivolta and Grifo both have the muscle car "look", but the Lele is pretty wild looking.
The Chevrolet Opala is kind of in the gray area because the only reason it didn't have a v8 is because of the import ban and because Chevy didn't have a v8 in South America at the time...
Bercholr, Mate you've obviously Never been in a Aussie Chrysler Charger E49, Holden Torana GTR XU1, or a Ford Cortina XLE 250, or Falcon XR6... V8 eaters all of em! both on the track and on the street!
Good old Holden Commodore. You could have also gone with a Ford Falcon, mostly these cars are 4 door cars though. In Australia, both the V6 Holden Commodores or Ford Falcons aren't really seen as a performance or muscle car, but rather just a cheap piece of crap you buy for under $5000 usually, newer ones go for around $10,000 second hand. but the're usually still around 10 years old. They're pretty common around Australia still, even though Neither the Falcon or Commodore are made anymore. The V8 Commodore or Falcon, while popular, still arent really seen as a performance car, and if they are the serious performance models (Commodore SS or Falcon XR8) you can usually find doing burn outs and drifting in shopping center carparks or in someones back yard
Actually, the 2004 Pontiac GTO over here in the states had the same LS1 as the Monaro. It was the only year for the LS1 in the GTO. It was changed to the LS2 for the 2005-06 model years.
He's not wrong, US muscle cars didn't have independent suspension until quite recently, hell they even kept using leaf spring when the entire rest of the world had moved to coils. That and Americans get so few horsepower out of a V8, i didn't think it was possible to have a weak V8
MrcabooseVG hmmm??? Are you kidding me? Let's see. 460, 455, 454, 440, 350, 327,302,351,360, . Ya they have only a few hp, no torque, they don't run worth a shit, yep they aren't as superior. Are you really being serious? All of the motors I just stated make these German cars get put to shame. Not to mention if it essential for our engines yours wouldn't exist.
Bradley Webb Great thats half the power of the Bugatti Chiron. Power is not the problewm with U.S. cars, handling, brakes and cooling are, also I have to admit in the past 10years they made fenomenal progress, U.S. high performance cars are now in quality, handling, brakes and reliablity where European high performance were 10years ago, wich sounds arrogant but it isnt since you guys had to bypass 40years of laziness in car development, another 10years and you could beat us.
Now the problem here is that none of these cars are proper muscle cars. Muscle cars are varying degrees of pathetic and shit, these cars are none of that.
I hate BMW, but I agree because I hate American cars even more. BMW are good cars at least and developed properly. They weren't built by apes and drive properly. Muscle cars are just sh!t and made for people who are too stupid ('muricans) to put a 'v8 modor' in a normal car while leaving the suspension and brakes untouched. After having ruined the design of course. Europe and Japan build proper cars, the rest can stay over there.
If I had to give any of the 9 cars in this list a musclecar designation, it would be the Jensen Interceptor. Being built toward the end of the musclecar era helps greatly. Did I mention the TNT 440 under the hood?
I'm American and would say you got it right. I think alot of Americans define muscle cars as uniquely 'american' with a certain body style, and thus non-US manufacturers don't fit the bill completely. But I find your definition more valid, given that US manufacturers were never the only ones producing these types of vehicles.
I love the voiceover for the fact that I can watch it on 1.25 speed (and it still sounds a bit slow) so I have more time for other vids too :D Mabye a pro tip, although can turn out to be a bit awkward: Record your voice as you usually do, speed it up a bit and then insert it under the vid, until you are more comfortable with speaking.
The only reason that I might exclude some of these cars is their cost, as I would classify them as Grand Tourers (basically upper class performance cars) rather than muscle cars, which I always envisioned as affordable performance vehicles. The '64 Pontiac GTO took the intermediate Tempest and put a larger V8 into it, then named the package GTO after the Ferrari of the same name. It's considered the first muscle car (though there were earlier precedents) and was something the average factory worker with a mortgage could afford. The same just can't be said about the Jenson, the Aston Martin, the BMW or Mercedes. The Holden Monaro most certainly qualifies (heck, the Australians also sold four door muscle cars which are just as cool) and as for the compact Ford Capri, I don't care what it is, I just think it looks like fun. I always enjoy your videos, even if I occasionally disagree here and there. Great work!
The important defining characteristic of a muscle car that these cars lack, is that a muscle car is just a regular family car until certain options or trim levels are aquired.
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."
Great Video. Most of the US muscle cars from the 1960s-1970s were 5-seaters, most had a 3-person bench seat in the rear. Many also had a front bench seat standard, bucket seats were almost always optional. The only 4 seaters were the Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camero, Pontiac Firebird,, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Baracuda, and the AMC Javelin. Also, there were several versions of the Australian Ford Falcon that were definitely musclecars. He Mad Max Interceptor was based on a 1970s Australian Falcon. Had a 351ci V8.
man that interceptor sounds fantastic. I remember the Top Gear episode with the James Bond parody covering that car but it didn't sound like it does in this video.
"A muscle car is defined as 'any group of American made 2 door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high performance driving." NOPE. Not even close. The definition of a muscle car is a two door intermediate sedan with a powerful engine which allows it to accelerate quickly and run at high speeds. Muscle car are most emphatically NOT SPORTS CARS. They generally handle poorly, brake poorly and are only capable of straight line performance. Their little brother, the pony car, has a similar definition expect they're constructed on compact sedan platforms and can get away with slightly smaller engines because they weight less. They have slightly better handling. None of the cars shown are muscle cars. They're GTs, Grand Touring cars. A big thumbs down for this misleading video.
C63 6.2 AMG (WITH a installed LSD, factory or third party, Quaife), simply one of THE greatest sports / muscle car ever, and of the best German cars to drive and have actual fun everyday too.
For me, the muscle car era ended in the 70's when petrol prices became too expensive. Today there are sports cars with huge horsepower and with quite boring designs.
So many of you say that these are not muscle cars whatsoever. So is it that the American ones cannot turn and these potential non-US ones can and that's basically why you write them off? I am open for a discussion. Tell me, what else defines a muscle car (other than affordable price, but markets and financial situations are different amongst various parts of the world which is why I sort of skipped that).
VisioRacer it's not that, it's the fact that the muscle car is an American concept. Really most of the non-American cars that could potentially fit into this category are Australian Holdens and Ford's (Because they are still American companies.) There are only a few on this list that have the potential to fit into the muscle car category and that is because they either are made by American companies or have American engines
Gary Rehak Aussie muscle holds its own weight
Gary Rehak no
A muscle car is a sedan or coupe with an engine too powerful for the chassis and suspension to handle. If the chassis and suspension are designed to handle the power of the engine, it isn't a muscle car. Muscle cars exist because American car companies wanted to make sports cars, but they didn't want to spend the time and effort to build proper chassis and suspensions, so they put huge engines into their normal cars. That is why people say "muscle cars can't corner" -- because they were never designed to go so fast.
The problem is not that the cars you selected are bad, the problem is they *are too good* to be muscle cars.
It's simple: more power than the chassis can handle = muscle car.
Not the case for an M3.
To be a "muscle-car" in the American definition, all that's needed are three things:
1. More horsepower then sense.
2. The road manners akin to a riding three legged cow on a frozen lake.
3. Just enough brakes to see what is about to kill you as you smash into it.
So true.
lol, until pretty recently that was true, but the later renditions of corvette, mustang, charger and camaro, are all pretty road worthy vehicles, and they`re basically the quintessential examples of muscle cars, both history-wise and today ;)
More hp than sense
Foxbody mustang had 5.0 l V8
Only had under 250 hp
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa
you forgot about terrible specific output
If it looks good as hell, sounds good as hell, and is ass in every driving aspect except in a straight line, it's a muscle car.
Driving an oval course is also definitely a requirement
Always liked that Aston, looked like a Euro Mustang!
I always thought it was like a Mustang 2 that didn't suck
I don't know about using Mustang II and Aston Martin in the same sentence, LOL.
Look up 74-78 Mustang 2
Yeah, headlight buckets, no doubt.
If the Mustang 2 wasn't such a pitiful car you would probably see them more often
Personally I'd never call a m3 a muscle car. No sir. I couldn't do it. Well any BMW for that matter.
Mel's 12valve e39 m5 is definitely German muscle
FELiPES101 German muscle. Not even near the same as a American muscle. I don't qualify these new cars to be muscle cars by any means.
FELiPES101 It isn't muscle car if it isn't marketed towards blue collar people, period. Many people pull M3 V6's and put LS3's in them. Blu
An M5, Audi RS7 or Merc E63 AMG will eat any U.S. muscle car for breakfast.
And please dont come with Nurenburg ring times, its totally up to the driver, U.S. car companies hire the best drivers with race slick tires, while the rest of the cars go usually with serial production tires and mediocore drivers, in a real life scenario german cars always win.
Mel's 12valve the video is literally called muscle cars not from the United States
that Jensen interceptor sounds so good 👌👌
Zac Gobshite Chrysler V8s always sound badass
RavenPrecept cool
I kinda want one after seeing it but I don't think I could drive from the right side of the car.
The "Jensen Interceptor FF" was the first performance car in the world to have permanent four wheel drive.
Zac Gobshite you said that the jenson sounded good if you payed atening that's because it came with a cheysler v8 and as we all know how great a hotroded American iron sounds like no other believe or not there have been other car company's indifferent country's even Japan that have tried copy the American v8 sound and no i'm not making that up I all ways thought that was funny because us American just did it are way😂
7:18 damn didn't know they made that version over 2000 years ago too
Oops
you mean 70 years in the future right?
Hannes Troedson since 2086-2015 would be either the wrong way around or 2086 BC which would actually be 4000 years.
It's not BC anymore man get with the CE.... Fucking christ.
shel bot what
I've never heard anyone describe a Muscle car as specifically "American"
Wheres the Maloo? or HSV GTS or pretty much any HSV car
Good start, but you missed all the Aussie muscle cars, ford GT HO phase 3 falcon, Holden torana GTR XUI, Torana A9X, valiant charger, valiant pacer.............. Let's see this in the next edition. Cheers
can't forget the VK
Mark Lederer can't forget the kingswood or the falcon and commodore utes either
100% agree, these shitheaps have nothing on a GTHO Falcon or even the old VB VC Commodore rubbish is better than this offering
HOLDEN HQ 😏👍
That top model Valiant Charger was bad ass.
If I ever get the chance to own a British car, it WILL be an Aston Martin V8.
Looks better than almost any American car from the era.
jacob motosicky All AM V8s have a faulty gasket that leaks almost all engine oil. To replace it you are looking at at least $12K. Clutch goes much early too if you buy a manual. You've been warned.
it's been four years, have you bought an aston martin v8 yet?
I can't believe that the Iso Grifo and Bizzarrini A3C didn't make this group.
I think the "affordable" part is very important, that's why American muscle is still dead. Australian muscle existed which had four doors
To be fair you can get old V8 Jags with loads of power for £2000 and that's for a good one, you couldn't get a US muscle car for that now
+MrcabooseVG you can get cheap us muscle for dirt cheap still, you just have to look
The "affordable" part would be rather controversial as market, people and economy are very very different now and back then too in America and other parts of the world.
MrcabooseVG We can get them fairly cheap here too, it doesn't make them true muscle car. The guy down the road put one on a Ford Bronco Frame. Road Kill created Draguar, google that. That's what blue collar does to a UK sports car.
Allen .Berge lol a 18 ft long grand touring 4 dr sedan =/= sports car
well I personally think that the bmw's are not muscle cars but sport cars and I expected some Australian muscle cars like the 1973 ford falcon xb gt or the 1973 holden monaro gts
The best looking in the bunch are the BMW 840 and the Aston Martin V8. I have always described the Aston V8 as a Rolls Royce muscle car. Refined with nice classy touches, but hit the gas and this car shows its power with the right sounds and lots of brute power.
My Aunt used to own a Mercury Capri, and her husband back then installed a 351 Cleveland in it....that little car ate junk camaros daily.....
I definitely would've added the CLK430 and CLK55 to make it an even 10. Very affordable and very well built V8 2 door coupes. Both feel like muscle cars, but with a touch of class.
Ayyyyy I got one
Slight correction: many “muscle cars also came in 4-door sedans,
ie:Impala S.S. ,Pontiac G-8.
Also Australia has had their own muscle cars.
The Iso Grifo , Bizzarini Strada Gt3500 , De Tomaso Pantera , MG B V8 are also muscle cars
Don't mind the Americans, they get upset when it's pointed out the rest of the world builds better V8's and cars.
Putting truck engines into ancient, body on frame cars is their specialty.
Sideslip hahahahaha so true
Except other countries DON'T and NEVER have made better V8's.
Haha 🤣🤣 That's how American cars consistently match or beat the performance of other cars around world-renowned race tracks and road courses. By not being as good.
Sideslip Truck engines my ass
Sideslip yeah, like the famous Corvette truck.
Can't believe there was only one Holden!!!!!
Australian muscle cars deserve a video of there own!
Ponycar =\= Musclecar
Jk, who the hell cares
A pony car is any car with a long hood and a short rear deck, most muscle cars follow this format but not all, oh well tho
Muscle cars of the 60's we're considered to be larger than pony cars and with larger engines, like the Chevy Impala or I think Ford Galaxy.
Tru, but the big 3 of the late 60's (Charger, Camaro, Mustang) were all muscle cars that followed the pony car format
The Impala wasn't a muscle car, the Chevelle and Nova were.
the charger wasnt a pony car, the dart was a pony or maybe the challenger could be also considered a pony car
Two examples of "muscle car" produced in italy could be the iso grifo and alfa romeo montreal
C63 AMG COUPE MADE FROM 2087 TO 2015 😱
Damn those time travelers!
Basilica
I'm missing the Facel Vega HK500 in this list.
The Capri at 4:43 is not a Perana , it's a 3000GT from Finland that has a 302W V8 in it but it's not a genuine Basil Green motors Perana V8 from South Africa, the one at 4:49 is also just a regular 4 cylinder Capri with a 302 V8, i doubt that the first one is real either.
Blue Oval Forever And the Perana had rectangle headlights
Never knew Ford Capri had a V8 engine as standard. Only large engine variant I knew of in UK was 3.0L V6 and later 2.8L V6
Aston Martin V8 Vantage: The pinnacle of muscle!!
These are all sports cars, grand tourers, or made by a branch of an American company
You should have split this into a modern and classic video. Many more classic cars such as the Monteverdi High-speed, Bitter CD, Iso Grifo, Maserati Ghibli/Indy, et al. would have been applicable.
Capri Perana - South Africa only. Anywhere else is just a regular Capri with a 302W fitted.
Popular car for massive v8 swap!
That last clip of the aston v8 was filmed on the road to the mountain village where I live in Switzerland i believe.
wtf 6,3 Mercedes, where are you????
6.2*
ThePaint No 6.3 Mercedes amg first one
Apache Helicopter No Mercedes-AMG C63 use 6,2L V8 engine you fucking idiot.
Thorbjørn Madsen No The 1st Generation Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Which Used The M156 V8 Producing 425HP Is A 6.2L N/A, (6,208cc) Although Due To Mercs 1st Production V8 (The M100) Being A 6.3L It Was Named As "A 6.3 Litre" To Honour It, SO YOURE ALL FUCKING IDIOTS!
Although this engine displaces 6.208 liters, it is marketed as the "6.3" to commemorate Mercedes' famed 6.3L M100 engine, its first production V8. - Wikipedia
the 6.9 was pretty muscly
I'd add Alfa Romeo Montreal to the list too......and some old Opel's like Manta, Monza and Record Coupe look totally "muscle", although they didn't come with V8's.
If that M3 had a blown big block Chevy, and some fat Hoosiers on the back, only then it might get called a muscle car.
this is quality bait my friend,you almost got me
McKroket maybe if it was lucky
No, that would be a drag car or trailer queen.
If it sreams bald eagles, its a muscle car
That would be a regular Street Racer in Northern Europe ;-)
the later model Monaro had an ls2 also
FINALY someone actually gets it, muscle cars are not all American
but...they are though
americans call them "muscle cars" we just call them power cars or something similar in our respective languages, so yeah, theyre not all american
Made... In.... Mexico.
They are 100% American
The rest of the world now is making more muscle cars than America.Just compare how much Ford has now compared to Mercedes. one mustang vs several 63AMGs.
The TVR Griffith 500 is another non-American muscle car for sure
HE SAID POTENTIALLY
You also completely overlooked De Tomaso : the “Magunsta” and Pantera. (And a couple more)
i thought e92 m3 was an tuner car :v
abie raffif Tuner car is not a category...
oh i see.. thx for the correction broooo
abie raffif Tuner cars are usually European GT cars or Japanese GT cars.
Mabe it´s to thank need for speed on that one.
"Tuner car"... are you 12
If drifting had existed in the 1970s, the Ford Capri (especially the Mark II) would have been the car of choice - light, powerful, and rear wheel drive that made it easy to throw out the back end around corners.
You're right - there was never an official V8 Capri, they were all 4-pots or V6. This is a custom job.
The only muscle car in this list is the Holden Monaro
william anderson What about the Capri Mk1 with the windsor 302? That totally fits the bill
william anderson What about the Capri Mk1 with the windsor 302? That totally fits the bill
You could argue its high price and rarity. Its more of a supercar of its time
I guess thats debatable too. In fact only about 1000 original Cobras were produced including the much rarer 427 variants. In my mind at least, a muscle car is a high performance, with a decent quantity produced (I'll include limited edition model in here), affordable, sports car without too many luxuries, usually built by mainstream companies, sometimes based on existing generic models
Luke Tomney the cobra was built for racing though . purely to beat ferrari on track
7:18 damn they produced that car for a long ass time I can't imagine how fast it was back in the days before Christ.
Great video. But what about the R107 mercedes-benz 560sl? 2 door coupe, 5.6L V8. Small car, big engine.
falcon XB and the like.. You know, ozzies!
You said "Tadek Marek" with really serious polish accent :D Are you from Poland? XD
W sumie niedaleko, Visio jest ze Słowacji :-)
It wasn't a Polish accent, it was a Slovak accent 😉
Claim to fame: when I worked in southampton docks in the UK, someone had their Gordon Keeble shipped across from the Isle of Wight to have it's servicing done by a specialist. I drove that car about 1.5 miles in the docks, and it was a total event :D
I think there are some good examples of modern day muscle cars that aren't American.
Most AMG and M cars larger than M3. Possibly the Infiniti whatever-the-fuck-the-G37-is-called-now. 400 hp and a whole lot of nothing else. Lexus' RC might qualify too, if its price weren't so high. IS-F?
1:44 so just saying there's a car in Brazil called "brasinca" and if you take the Jensen interseptor and the brasinca you will see that the both cars are really similar
... a m3??? really? that's not a muscle car
Matias Ibañez should be replaced by the C63
Matias Ibañez or maybe a Jaguar F Type V8
Raden Satrio Wibowo i go for the jaguar
Matias Ibañez M3 is known in many circles as "The German Mustang."
aston martin v8 vantage
Round it up to 10 with the Maserati Ghibli! (Not the new one, the cool one from 67-73.) It has a great rumble at idle, screams when at speed. (And it looks fantastic!) Happy to see the Gordon Keeble here, but I'd swap out the XJR for an ISO. The Rivolta and Grifo both have the muscle car "look", but the Lele is pretty wild looking.
The formula is :
Big displacement v8
2 doors
Mid-size or larger
Low rumbly exhaust note
Loud
Extra points for flashy looks
Also the Holden Monaro is from America and we had a v8 offered in our version as well.
Low rumbly exhaust note = old carburetor v8
A carburetor doesn't affect exhaust note
He forgot the sunbeam tiger V8 had same engine as the Shelby cobra in second gen
4:35 TORILLA TAVATAAN!!!
7:20 that's some interesting years of production for that Mercedes... :)
Maybe you could put in the list the Brazilian Muscle Car Ford Maverick V8, it's a simbol of national cars here
Cassiano Faria The Maverick was sold in America too, but the Chevrolet Opala is certainly a candidate
icaro arrigoni Yes, Opala is a great candidate, it's the same to Puma GTB
Cassiano Faria An inline-6 will NEVER be a muscle-car.
The Chevrolet Opala is kind of in the gray area because the only reason it didn't have a v8 is because of the import ban and because Chevy didn't have a v8 in South America at the time...
Bercholr, Mate you've obviously Never been in a Aussie Chrysler Charger E49, Holden Torana GTR XU1, or a Ford Cortina XLE 250, or Falcon XR6... V8 eaters all of em! both on the track and on the street!
Props to Tadeusz Marek for this Aston Martin V8! :)
i wouldn't day it NEEDS a coupe layout, plenty of 4 door american muscle, and plenty german saloons that can flex just as hard
That's what the definition says.
Did you consider the Porsche 928 for your list?
when i saw the title i was like yep these are all australian
BMW m5 e 39 ?
"...coupé..."
Arne Hurnik Original charger was a coupe dingus.
E 60, that has 10 cylinders.
Good old Holden Commodore. You could have also gone with a Ford Falcon, mostly these cars are 4 door cars though.
In Australia, both the V6 Holden Commodores or Ford Falcons aren't really seen as a performance or muscle car, but rather just a cheap piece of crap you buy for under $5000 usually, newer ones go for around $10,000 second hand. but the're usually still around 10 years old. They're pretty common around Australia still, even though Neither the Falcon or Commodore are made anymore.
The V8 Commodore or Falcon, while popular, still arent really seen as a performance car, and if they are the serious performance models (Commodore SS or Falcon XR8) you can usually find doing burn outs and drifting in shopping center carparks or in someones back yard
suomi perkele
Actually, the 2004 Pontiac GTO over here in the states had the same LS1 as the Monaro. It was the only year for the LS1 in the GTO. It was changed to the LS2 for the 2005-06 model years.
yea in australia we just do an engine swap for the ls2 at least my mate did
Let's not forget the E63 AMG and the SLS AMG. 😍
They have (almost) have the same engine as the C63 AMG, so...
Denis Dolganov But then, they got more power than the C63. ;)
The SLS is not a four-seater and I don't know a E63 AMG Coupé
VisioRacer There's never been an E63 Coupe, which is a shame considering that it could be Merc's closest rival to the BMW M6. :(
Farhan Ahmad Tajuddin There isn't really a place for an e63 coupe when there's already the e550 coupe and the s63 coupe.
My uncle had a Jensen interceptor, as a kid it scared the shit outta me... But also taught me how beautiful cars can be.
British and German muscles is the best
Bavaria Driving are you just trying to have people prove you wrong in every way?
He's not wrong, US muscle cars didn't have independent suspension until quite recently, hell they even kept using leaf spring when the entire rest of the world had moved to coils. That and Americans get so few horsepower out of a V8, i didn't think it was possible to have a weak V8
+MrcabooseVG ah yes, we make no power, including the 840hp demon which is a production car
MrcabooseVG hmmm??? Are you kidding me? Let's see. 460, 455, 454, 440, 350, 327,302,351,360, . Ya they have only a few hp, no torque, they don't run worth a shit, yep they aren't as superior. Are you really being serious? All of the motors I just stated make these German cars get put to shame. Not to mention if it essential for our engines yours wouldn't exist.
Bradley Webb
Great thats half the power of the Bugatti Chiron.
Power is not the problewm with U.S. cars, handling, brakes and cooling are, also I have to admit in the past 10years they made fenomenal progress, U.S. high performance cars are now in quality, handling, brakes and reliablity where European high performance were 10years ago, wich sounds arrogant but it isnt since you guys had to bypass 40years of laziness in car development, another 10years and you could beat us.
@Visioracer Might I suggest a video... "the fastest four door sedans in the world before 1990" ?
seriously?
i think the 500 SEC is the best german muscle car
Now the problem here is that none of these cars are proper muscle cars. Muscle cars are varying degrees of pathetic and shit, these cars are none of that.
You say that, but the new Camaro and Mustang match the M4 and C63 for performance and handling.
Iris Heart personnaly a propulsion car with a big v8 is a muscle for me!
BMW's are varying degrees of pathetic and shit, muscle cars are not.
Iris Heart says the guy who has bmw as there profile picture
I hate BMW, but I agree because I hate American cars even more. BMW are good cars at least and developed properly. They weren't built by apes and drive properly. Muscle cars are just sh!t and made for people who are too stupid ('muricans) to put a 'v8 modor' in a normal car while leaving the suspension and brakes untouched. After having ruined the design of course. Europe and Japan build proper cars, the rest can stay over there.
Your English and accent has really improved since you started narrating. Keep up the good work!
Lexus RC-F?
I thought that too
the jennson came out with a 7.3ltr.... you can clearly see this on the back of the car in the video with the 7.3litre badge...
He says a 440 CUI engine was available.
A very professional video, well done!
My personal definition of a muscle car is a car with a powerful engine and nothing else.
But what about pick ups and big cars like bel airs.. they cant be muscle cars even if they have big engines?
You are literally just show sports cars from other country's. You can not say these are muscle cars, because muscle cars are AMERICAN.
If I had to give any of the 9 cars in this list a musclecar designation, it would be the Jensen Interceptor.
Being built toward the end of the musclecar era helps greatly.
Did I mention the TNT 440 under the hood?
I forgot one thing: The musclecar era is from 1960 to 1971.
NO TORANA. NO GTHO. WTF
I loved this video! Very interesting concept. Maybe a video on American sports cars?
When is it coming out?
I'm American and would say you got it right. I think alot of Americans define muscle cars as uniquely 'american' with a certain body style, and thus non-US manufacturers don't fit the bill completely. But I find your definition more valid, given that US manufacturers were never the only ones producing these types of vehicles.
I love the voiceover for the fact that I can watch it on 1.25 speed (and it still sounds a bit slow) so I have more time for other vids too :D Mabye a pro tip, although can turn out to be a bit awkward: Record your voice as you usually do, speed it up a bit and then insert it under the vid, until you are more comfortable with speaking.
The only reason that I might exclude some of these cars is their cost, as I would classify them as Grand Tourers (basically upper class performance cars) rather than muscle cars, which I always envisioned as affordable performance vehicles. The '64 Pontiac GTO took the intermediate Tempest and put a larger V8 into it, then named the package GTO after the Ferrari of the same name. It's considered the first muscle car (though there were earlier precedents) and was something the average factory worker with a mortgage could afford. The same just can't be said about the Jenson, the Aston Martin, the BMW or Mercedes. The Holden Monaro most certainly qualifies (heck, the Australians also sold four door muscle cars which are just as cool) and as for the compact Ford Capri, I don't care what it is, I just think it looks like fun. I always enjoy your videos, even if I occasionally disagree here and there. Great work!
The important defining characteristic of a muscle car that these cars lack, is that a muscle car is just a regular family car until certain options or trim levels are aquired.
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."
Great Video.
Most of the US muscle cars from the 1960s-1970s were 5-seaters, most had a 3-person bench seat in the rear. Many also had a front bench seat standard, bucket seats were almost always optional.
The only 4 seaters were the Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camero, Pontiac Firebird,, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Baracuda, and the AMC Javelin.
Also, there were several versions of the Australian Ford Falcon that were definitely musclecars. He Mad Max Interceptor was based on a 1970s Australian Falcon. Had a 351ci V8.
Your English is getting better, congrats!
The Monaro was actually offered with just a 5.7L in Australia, USA and UK until 2006 when you could get the 6.0L
man that interceptor sounds fantastic. I remember the Top Gear episode with the James Bond parody covering that car but it didn't sound like it does in this video.
Quite an interesting list! well done
The Dacia MC Concept could become one if it's released.Can't wait to see it's specs.
I didnt know the C63 could time travel from 2087
"A muscle car is defined as 'any group of American made 2 door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high performance driving."
NOPE. Not even close. The definition of a muscle car is a two door intermediate sedan with a powerful engine which allows it to accelerate quickly and run at high speeds. Muscle car are most emphatically NOT SPORTS CARS. They generally handle poorly, brake poorly and are only capable of straight line performance.
Their little brother, the pony car, has a similar definition expect they're constructed on compact sedan platforms and can get away with slightly smaller engines because they weight less. They have slightly better handling.
None of the cars shown are muscle cars. They're GTs, Grand Touring cars. A big thumbs down for this misleading video.
nice video man
Man...that Gordon-Keeble is beautiful, gotta love the combination of Italian looks and American power :)
Jensen Intercept is about the only one on this list that could be considered a muscle car by definition.
C63 6.2 AMG (WITH a installed LSD, factory or third party, Quaife), simply one of THE greatest sports / muscle car ever, and of the best German cars to drive and have actual fun everyday too.
The E39 M5 is also a Euro muscle car, because of how its engine sounds (which sounds deeper).
Nice little film, nice selection of cars thank you
Your wrong about the Monaro, the HSV version was offered as a 6.0 in Australia.
That Aston V8 is beautiful. Never seen one or heard of it for that matter. Thanks for the vid
For me, the muscle car era ended in the 70's when petrol prices became too expensive.
Today there are sports cars with huge horsepower and with quite boring designs.