@@Oriaks you also get unique dialogue options as malkavian. for example: "Lets drive like Father and son/daughter". Or driver:"I'll drive.. if you figure out where you want to be taken, tell me". Malkav fledgeling:"But you've made that mistake before". driver:"yes.."
@@Jadenyoung1 there is also a special line for malkavian where they say "like father and son/daughter. let's drive together". also if you use the Auspex trait near the can driver, he shows Up with a purple aura which only supernatural creatures have.
the malkavian thin-blood at the beach also references to the endgame cutscene (the one where you see Smiling Jack and the mummy) referring to the cab driver as "the father". The game is filled with hints to who he truly is beyond the file name
To be specific, God's curse on Caine was specifically to "wander the earth forever". All the superpower stuff he learned from Lilith, the First Woman who taught him to harness the curse's power and create the vampire disciplines. Even stuff like being burned by sunlight and being only sustained by blood came later when God's angels offered Caine the chance to repent, which he denied.
Yup, both the Lilith and Caine vampire origin myths tell the story this way. Jehova and his Archangels are responsible for all the vampire's weaknesses. While Lilith is responsible for all their strengths, except agelessness. Caine is the only true immortal of the bunch since he allegedly can't die.
And if I recall correctly, while other Kindred weaknesses are curses placed upon Caine, the last who visited him, Archangel Gabriel, took mercy upon Caine and gave him a promise of a way to free himself from his Beast - and that chance at freedom is Golconda
For Bloodlines 2 - Development hell. Things went terribly wrong due to the original devs making it made a lot of stupid decisions and mistakes, including, er, firing the creative director and lead writer (P.S.: The lead writer was the same as the original.) So the game is now being salvaged by a currently unknown team, after the original dev studio was fired for their incompetence. Knowing that original team, it is very unsurprising that things went so wrong. Their management notoriously killed off Blacklight Retribution via their mistakes.
@@MrLuisfrossi If it's true, then we'll be fine, if they're given the right time to do it. I heard rumors that it was some mobile dev team who was thrust into doing something larger for the first time. Things like this have gone well in the past, like with Little Orbit going from shovelware to game preservation work and then picking up Unsung Story to finish it and release it.
Nobody knows what mistakes were made that has resulted in the game being postponed. Only thing that's known is that Paradox gave the game to a new developer. Anything else is basically tabloid journalism.
@@yannym4605 Hate smartasses. This isn't true at all and basically means you don't do your own research. You can find plenty of information from former employees of the studio as well as, y'know, the giant debacle involving the studio firing the creative director, lead writer, and then the game's co-writer leaving as well? "Only thing that's known is that Paradox gave the game to a new developer" my ass, go actually research your stuff. You can also track down some former employees from Hardsuit Labs yourself to talk to, some of them are open to talk, particularly the ones who were also present during the late development of Blacklight Retribution. Again, the studio was known for mismanagement even before Bloodlines 2.
Damn, I didn't know it was still being developed, as far as I knew it was "Indenfinitely hiatus-d"(cancelled-but-we-want-to-keep-your-hopes-up) and that was it. Hope it turns out okay at worst and incredible at best.
If I recall correctly, Troika wanted to confirm that the cab driver is Caine but it was vetoed by White Wolf. I think files associated with him like dialogue and the model / textures still have the prefix "caine" in the game files. There are other theories where the cab driver is possessed/dominated by Caine.
For a long while I thought Jack was Caine, with him seemingly having his fingers in some of the things that happened in the game and how knowledgeable he was. The moment I had my conversation with the cab driver though, I realized he was Caine instead.
@@mihai000000 Well better than him not existing at all and the driver just being some random dude, right? Also I'm not sure why you have to put /s, I think the intent is pretty clear without it, it just feels kinda... reddit with an /s.
@@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133 Considering he is a mythological figure for vampires that many don't believe in, then yeah a game shouldn't say here he is 100% real. There is a reason the Camarilla uses Kindred over Cainite. Even the historian you meet in the game thinks it's a myth "Beckett is famous for arguing that the Caine and Abel story is a metaphor for agrarian and hunter-gatherer communities in conflict"
Some people say that the driver could be Cain himself. If I remember correctly if you play as a Malkavian your character is overwhelmed with fear when you meet him.
troyka hae him listed in the files as cain, and all around the game refrance him as cain, but white wolf vetoed against it (the actual holder and creators of the setting
@@gampie13 howver cain himself confirms that it was him in one novel, so it's cannon now i guess. Well it was his bullshit projection, but that still close enough i think.
@@SapFeaRon even if its a shitty projection its nice to see great grandpa cain take an interest in his more entertaining children. Seriously, the elders hardly do anything fun anymore.
Just for the record, in VtM it was not God who gave Cain his diciplines, God just made him imortal, the angels made him drink blood and burn in the sun, and Lilith gave him his diciplines, I recomend people to read the book of Nod, it's a really interesting window in the World of Darkness
Fun fact: if you use console commands to get exp points as a Malkavian right at the start of the game your character actualy confesses that he cheated to Jack
I used go play this game once per year. And since my first time through I always figured Cain to be the Cab driver, just getting used to the new world, gathering information and watching, guiding. The Malkavian playthrough later down the line cemented this thought.
Those powers (disciplines) were actually taught by Lilith (first woman) and not god according to the TTRPG lore. The vampirism side effects were given by each curse that the Creator gave him. Lilith is the woman in that painting that you need to slash during one of those early missions.
My favorite theory about the cab driver: Due to his somewhat older European accent, his ability to befriend one of the oldest vampires in the game and lastly his immense aura at the end means that he might be the protagonist of the previous Vampire The Masquerade video-game. It was a Diablo-esque game and *********MAJOR SPOILERS********** at the end of that game he beats and diablirizes an Antedeluvian. In truth though the general consensus is that it is Caine himself and that the whole sarcophagus questline was just a mcguffin quest laid by Caine and Jack to take down the current corrupt Camarilla and hit the Quei-Jin in the stomach and regain some balance.
My first play through of this game was Malkavians. And this was also my first introduction to the vampire world and lore. And I LOVED it. And I LOVE Malkavians. xD
Since I enjoyed this game alot I've dived deeper into the whole biblical backstory. As it turns out Cain didn't have any powers at first but after he met up with Lilith who had mastered the art of witchcraft, Cain got her to give him abilities that we can see in the game. After getting what he wanted, Cain left Lilith behind. That was the thing with the gallery painting slashing as well.
A fun little fact - while the 'basic' version of that myth says Cain was cursed by God ,with further weaknesses placed upon him by angels, the some of the more mysticism-oriented Kindred hold a different belief. In their interpretation, God demanded of Cain and Abel a offering of what was precious to them. And while Abel offered the blood of the lamb, Cain gave onto God what was most important to him - his own beloved brother. In that version, vampirism was no curse but a blessing, a reward from God bestowed upon Cain for his act of devotion. Then the other weaknesses - the doom by sun, the fear of fire - were still placed onto him by angels, but here those were acts of spite, made by the angelic host jealous that God elevated mere mortal instead of them.
I actually started playing this recently and I had a really funny interaction as a Brujah; I went to the church club in downtown and the bartender acts as a surrogate confessional booth to get drinks, so when she’s asking me about my life and what sins I’ve commited, I held off on saying anything (since it was vampire related) and then I got the option “I voted Republican once.” I said that and she goes “damn…there’s no drink here that’s gonna wash away a sin that bad.”
cabbie is implied to be caine. But in cannon , caine was sealed in a cave during the events of bloodlines , so a lot of people speculate that he is a malkavian that believes he's caine
I loved playing a Malkavian on my first playthrough. The dialogue choices and unique interactions where so great. And the whispers in my ear where fun to try and interpret, as if I was really a brand new Malkavian vampire learning the ropes of my gift/curse.
They later get around to addressing where god got his powers from, namely he studied under lilith and consumed her blood, and when he set out to use those powers a triad of angels tried to persuade him against using those powers and cursed him with the main weaknesses (sunlight, thirst for blood, and a inability to die)
God didn't give Caine powers but he learned them from Lilith, Then Caine abandoned Lilith and went to Ubar. Where he ruled for some time and renamed it the City of Enoch. Later on Caine embraced three childer, (2nd generation) who then created the 13 antediluvians, (3rd generation). After Caine left just before the flood and left the 2nd and 3rd generations untended the antideluvians rose up and slew their sires in rebellion. And then the 3rd generation sired the 4th generation before the great flood came.
I respect your stance on religion, I used to be that annoying atheist kid at some point, though it didn't last long. I'm not really religious, but I've learned a different perspective on the matter that's more helpful to me and certainly less aggravating to those who is. There's a lot for people to learn.
Being a Nosferatu would suck, not just because of your appearance but also because the Niktuku are coming for your blood and there's nothing you can do about it.
Yahweh was angry with Cain for the murder, but murder had not yet been forbidden, so Yahweh punished Cain to the fullest extent that He could without being a hypocrite. Reading the bible chronologically as a story makes it clear that Yahweh has certain expectations for behavior, and the law primarily exists because people keep doing things they should know better than to do, requiring it to then be forbidden. Yahweh's attitude towards the law is also different from our modern legal system: in modern law, ignorance is no excuse, but under the moral law, God does excuse ignorance. God never explicitly forbade murder until after Cain murdered. Cain is the reason that law was put in place. You cannot be repudiated out of ignorance of the law. You cannot be retroactively guilty. This is proven by the fact that Yahweh did not just kill Cain, since the penalty for murder under the law is death. If Cain was subject to the law, he should have been killed. But he wasn't, because that law did not exist yet at that time. Yahweh hated Cain for what he did, but Yahweh would not be unfair and retroactively punish Cain, even if Cain arguably deserved it. Paul in the New Testament confirms this in his own writings, as he was a highly educated man; being what amounts to a lawyer, a priest, and a historian who was also fluent in several languages. Paul said that the whole of the law can be summarized as loving your own people and loving God, and putting them first in everything you do. Any man who does this CANNOT sin, he CANNOT be found in violation of the law. In summary, God expected us to love our own people and to love Him, and we kept disappointing Him. All the laws put in place are best understood from viewing Yahweh as an exasperated parent who has to keep forbidding more elaborate and specific things because His kids are acting out and doing shit they know they shouldn't. A parent doesn't want to have to set a specific rule saying you can't be out past 11 on a school night and you can't steal cigarettes and smoke them behind the garage. One would hope that's just implied. It's the same idea here. It wasn't against the law to murder anybody until Cain murdered Abel. And if the law was retroactive, Yahweh would have just killed Cain instead of cursing him and sending him into exile. If we were better children, forbidding things like murder or adultery wouldn't be in the law because they wouldn't have to be. We wouldn't be doing those things. The only reason the law exists at all is because we stole cigarettes and smoked them behind the garage. So now the law has to exist. We proved we can't be trusted to just do whatever we want, which is what Yahweh ORIGINALLY told Adam.
"Ahh, love will find you next week. Don't stay in love too long, husband find you too." "You going to fancy restaurant. You going to order snails. Don't eat them! That disgusting! Snails very dirty." Great advice by Ji Wen Ja.
Still gotta love the fact that based on the TTRPG, when they say Cain is immortal, they MEAN it. Since he has access to basically every vampire discipline, even the ones that no longer exist, at a level you can't match, AND has the biblical Mark of Cain to return any damage dealt to him sevenfold on his attacker...The rules for fighting him if you're stupid/crazy enough to try are literally "You Lose".
first time playing this game , and one thing i really really like is the facial expressions when you talk to someone , the way the move and talk or how their hair moves around (long hair ofc)
Yeah it's Cain, but in the table top rpg there was a multiple ending where each of our grand daddy vampires awaken with a different kind of end of the world.
The driver is speculated to be Cain as his aura is different than any other creature in the game. And the problem with bloodlines 2's wait time is they decided to cash in on bloodhunt AND "supposed" script rewrites.
My first playthrough was Nosferatu, and as I always say, If given choice, I would do that way again, but I still don't recommend it for first time players.
So a lot of comments here are saying the cab driver is Cain. That might not be the case. While I forget his name, in the white wolf lore there is a Malkavian vampire who thinks he is Cain, and tries to be where he thinks he is needed. So it is possible the cab driver is them.
2:13 Finally! That subreddit is an absolute hellhole. They don't even talk about the belief of no gods, they just really hate religion in general. Their blatant double standards makes me hate them the most.
What is there to talk about? Not believing in gods is not a belief anymore than not collecting stamps is a hobby. All the shit that is done in religions name makes it very easy to hate.
It is not a 100% confirmed or better said, White wolf the owners of World of darkness never confirmed if it really is, but the bigger part of the fandom belives that the cab driver is Cain, even if it is not my group of friends that I play TTRPG´s with, we all have the headcannon that he is, Cain is just a cab driver, because he got bored of being hidden in a cave in middel of buttfucking nowhere.
My theory that the cab driver is Cain, also the Hollywood sewer kinda easy, you just crouch and shooting the half body monkey thing with a pistol and they'll never even get to land a hit on you. By the 2nd and 3rd playthrough I jus speedrun the haunted masion and the Hollywood Sewer.
The identity of the cab driver depends on if you care about the source material or not. In the pen and paper roleplaying books, Caine actively hates all of his children due to the millennia of drama and betrayal and would NEVER help Jack. He would slaughter him for merely trying to talk to him for Caine has long stopped caring about vampire politics. Canonically the cab driver is a Malkavian who thinks he’s Caine. However if you just want to go with the video game, then yeah it’s Caine. I think it was correct of White Wolf to veto Troika on this one as Caine isn’t meant to be your friend or someone you can even interact with. He’s supposed to be closer to a force of nature that causes the story to move forward.
He doesn't even cause the story to move forward though. Also in one of the Gehenna books he is literally traveling around with Beckket watching the end of the world. His only other appearance at all in any version of the game is a single module, again for Gehenna. Considering Bloodlines is all about concern around Gehenna and White Wolf's own inconsistency...I think they should have just let it be a fun easter egg.
Even for the father of all Vampires, having to kill all your children by your own hand would be extremely fucking tedious and likely not work anyway; Supposedly "dead" clans and bloodlines like the Cappadocians or the Salubri pop up again all the time. It's like trying to mow a lawn by plucking individual blades of grass with your fingertips. More likely he's trying to act in counter to his more immediate children, the 3rd generation, who are acting through their own children.
@@Michael-bn1oi I agree that Caine hasn't really done much of anything in the AD period, but I was just using the book's guidelines in how to run a story in where the players don't interact directly with the main characters of the setting or deal with antediluvian level of power. Similar to how disciplines can have more than 5 dots, or how PC in D&D can technically go above level 20. Caine doesn't have a stat sheet afterall, it just says "You fucking lose". And to be fair, I wouldn't count Beckket as some nobody. He's basically the setting's historian. Anyway back to my point. Caine being in the game is similar to the "Antediluvian" being in the game... In that it's fake. There isn't really an antediluvian in that sarcophagus. But all the characters in the game are led to believe so, which then forces LaCroix to make an overt power play and be too aggressive, etc. The mere possibility of an antediluvian moves the story forward, but at no point do you actually interact with it by diablerizing it or being possessed by it, etc. Like you mentioned, Caine is essentially just an overpowered hobo that doesn't do anything relevant anymore. He doesn't give a fuck who controls L.A.
You'd be surprised how many people study both physics and philosophy or theology. Personally i am agnostic but Werner Heisenberg once said “The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you”
If you like the video game, maybe one day you can try the TTRPG. I suggest "Vampire: The Masquerade V5" but you can also start with V20 (V20 is an older version, it's a 20th year anniversary edition. V5 came out after) But anyways, this is a good way to get yourself more into the World of Darkness (WoD for short) setting. One more thing, the game is loosely based of lore/mechanics of the 3th version "V3 Revised edition" of Vampire. V1 / V2 / V3 Revised edition / V20 Anniversary edition / V5
Please, don't doom the guy. V5 (with the exception of some of the lore) is a horrible game. V20 is fun, interesting and closer to what he should expect coming from Bloodlines.
Personally, would rather mix the 2 up when playing V5. I like some of the changes...but others...I get it was done for the sake of 'simplicity' but the result is the extreme nerfing of some of the best, and most unique, Clans in the game! Main personal issue is what they did with the disciplines - forcing Clans or Bloodlines who hated one another together in ways that directly contradict the lore of the game! Like how the Tereme and Assamite's (Banu Haquim), now have to share "Blood Magic"...even though the two have so much distrust and hatred between them that there's absolutely no way they'd ever share their secrets! Not if Vienna fell, not if the Assamite's rebranded and joined the Camarilla, just NO! Quietus and Thaumaturgy each had a lot of time and energy put into developing them, no way the paths and rituals would just be abandoned or shared at the drop of a hat! 🙄 Same with Necromancy and Obtenebration being turned into the shared discipline of Oblivion! The Lasombra wouldn't suddenly abandon, or share, their unique secrets with the Giovanni (Clan Hecata) or visa versa! The Tremere already spent centuries trying to crack Necromancy, just giving a version of it to the Lasombra? Out of the question! Besides, Obtenebration was a very unique ability, it was NOT Necromancy. It was something else entirely...part of why the Lasombra were so feared to begin with! Combining the two, for simplicities sake, is absurd! Speaking of groups with a history of hating one another...Clan Hecata! No way the Harbringers of Skulls and Samedi would give up on their age-old grudge over the Giovanni's betrayal and join them! Adding any Nagaraja to said Clan - who had 0 ties to any of them beyond their Necromancy discipline - is just plain Lazy! If anything, the Nagaraja's origins were more closely tied to the Tremere than they were the Giovanni / Cappadocians! And even that is solely through the similarity of: Mortal Mages tried to create their own Vampires, succeed, but at what cost? 🙄 That doesn't even cover all the disciplines that now only exist if you master and combine other disciplines... meaning essentially Anyone can learn what used to be unique skills, like Serpentis and Vicissitude, should they get the formula just right! While the Setites and Tzimisce have to work overtime to master abilities that they've already spent several lifetimes mastering...it's just a HUGE mess! Not to mention all the restructuring that had to take place in order to justify the changes! V20 Tzimisce: Animalism, Vicissitude, + Auspex to V5: Animalism, Dominate, + Protean. V20 Setites: Obfuscate, Prescence, + Serpentis to V5: Obfuscate, Prescence, Protean...and better somehow grab 2 in Fortitude too if you want access to the former level 5 skill 'Heart of Darkness'...🙄 Not the only Clans to be restructured of course, just some of the most notable! In order to get through a game of V5, I either have to restructure it, so the clans have Full Access to their Original V20 Disciplines, or...just play V20 and not worry about it! I don't see the justification behind letting Brujah, Gangrel, Nosferatu, Toreador, and Ventrue keep all their abilities across generations while all the other Clans / Bloodlines aren't allowed do the same!
Of you still remember the plot points, you gotta roll up a malk and see the foreshadowing for yourself The sewer shortcut just needs ya to have a high computer skill to use.
I remember this game. Damn it was good with mod corrections. I think 2nd part aint far away. U know what will make that game legendary? It hasnt marketised almost at all last few months even thou they know that 1st is considered ´´Best vampire game ever´´
I mean as far as i seen it will not be a vtmg like bloodlines at all. Basically like 3 clans to choose in a linear game with metrosexual vamp (male and female model looks basically the same). Long story short the 2 game will be a propped up corpse with makeup and they telling you that it is a normal human woman. After it fails they will of course say its the right wingers fault or that vampire games as a whole are not popular right now and shit like that. Just watch some announcements they made and if you have 2 braincells you should get the idea that it is just a name grab to get any easy nostalgia money.
I prefer the interpretation that the driver was Cain, as it was the intention of the writer of the game and is heavily implied to be the case, and the book that they retconned that with was fucking awful, so I like to pretend it doesn't exist.
Why is 2nd one taking devs so long? Lack of any good writers it seems. They had dramas upon dramas after they did change writing rooms to be 'more progressive' and 'generously inclusive'.
2.40 that's not true at all and the explanation is even worse: yes god slaughtered people, but always for a reason. and depending on how believing you are, that reason was always justified. the lying was bad but the murder was the far bigger crime.
Absolutely love this game! It has been my favorite since 2004, and I play it 2-3 times a year. However, with your… philosophical comment, are you implying that atheists are uneducated and/or don’t know anything?
Almost the great renaissance natural philosophers were Christian - Einstein even stated 'God doesn't roll dice' ... :) Edit: Jack is a Gangrel, an Antediluvian in the 'Rules as Written' is a world ending event level creature, it doesn't have a 'class' as such. So yeah, I'd go with the Taxi Driver :)
The history of Cain and Abel is more about who tell the history then everything else. The conclusion is "if you follow your superior orders and do what is told, you ll go to heaven, otherwise god ll be very unhapy and you ll go to hell." In the perspective of the revolution and down of the dominat class, cain is more like a symbol of rebellion, and this is a unfolding of the dissatisfaction, present nowsday for most people who feel injuscticed for the system. In the end, Cain is more like a hero, hwo had the courage to face the "god".
Science began in the catholic church with the intention of finding the "how". the conflict arise when science started to show that said beliefs didn't hold on to scrutiny
@@crissis3263 Funny how you say that yet the main funder of scientific studies for centuries. Most of the cases of the church targetting scientists were either massive exaggerations or outright lies that became popular with the reformation.
@@nunyabusiness7942 first, eh yeah that's the point it was the church that started it, just to backfire on them. And ok, lets imagine that the scientist being percecuted were, as u said "exAgGeRaTiOns" or "oUtrIGht LiEs" (gona need sources for that) alright, so what? that doesn't change stuff, the conflict is still there, did u expected it to be a "gotcha moment" or what?
I think the cab driver is cain , he has a black aura around him , playing as a malkavian makes this very easy to see
He's literally called Cain in game files.
@@Oriaks you also get unique dialogue options as malkavian. for example: "Lets drive like Father and son/daughter". Or driver:"I'll drive.. if you figure out where you want to be taken, tell me". Malkav fledgeling:"But you've made that mistake before". driver:"yes.."
@@Jadenyoung1 there is also a special line for malkavian where they say "like father and son/daughter. let's drive together".
also if you use the Auspex trait near the can driver, he shows Up with a purple aura which only supernatural creatures have.
the malkavian thin-blood at the beach also references to the endgame cutscene (the one where you see Smiling Jack and the mummy) referring to the cab driver as "the father". The game is filled with hints to who he truly is beyond the file name
Yall dont understand how to keep a secret.
What you goong to tell us whats in the sarcophagus next?
To be specific, God's curse on Caine was specifically to "wander the earth forever". All the superpower stuff he learned from Lilith, the First Woman who taught him to harness the curse's power and create the vampire disciplines. Even stuff like being burned by sunlight and being only sustained by blood came later when God's angels offered Caine the chance to repent, which he denied.
Yup, both the Lilith and Caine vampire origin myths tell the story this way. Jehova and his Archangels are responsible for all the vampire's weaknesses. While Lilith is responsible for all their strengths, except agelessness. Caine is the only true immortal of the bunch since he allegedly can't die.
Lilith did nothing wrong in the original myth
And if I recall correctly, while other Kindred weaknesses are curses placed upon Caine, the last who visited him, Archangel Gabriel, took mercy upon Caine and gave him a promise of a way to free himself from his Beast - and that chance at freedom is Golconda
That's if you don't read the book of Nod from the vtm version where it was the angels that came to him and see if he would ask for forgiveness.
@@Yuki_Ika7 there is no "lilith" in the original myth.
For Bloodlines 2 - Development hell. Things went terribly wrong due to the original devs making it made a lot of stupid decisions and mistakes, including, er, firing the creative director and lead writer (P.S.: The lead writer was the same as the original.)
So the game is now being salvaged by a currently unknown team, after the original dev studio was fired for their incompetence. Knowing that original team, it is very unsurprising that things went so wrong. Their management notoriously killed off Blacklight Retribution via their mistakes.
I've heard some rumors that the new development team is the same that made the Shadowrun games. Hope it's true because they have some serious talent
@@MrLuisfrossi If it's true, then we'll be fine, if they're given the right time to do it. I heard rumors that it was some mobile dev team who was thrust into doing something larger for the first time. Things like this have gone well in the past, like with Little Orbit going from shovelware to game preservation work and then picking up Unsung Story to finish it and release it.
Nobody knows what mistakes were made that has resulted in the game being postponed. Only thing that's known is that Paradox gave the game to a new developer. Anything else is basically tabloid journalism.
@@yannym4605 Hate smartasses.
This isn't true at all and basically means you don't do your own research. You can find plenty of information from former employees of the studio as well as, y'know, the giant debacle involving the studio firing the creative director, lead writer, and then the game's co-writer leaving as well? "Only thing that's known is that Paradox gave the game to a new developer" my ass, go actually research your stuff.
You can also track down some former employees from Hardsuit Labs yourself to talk to, some of them are open to talk, particularly the ones who were also present during the late development of Blacklight Retribution. Again, the studio was known for mismanagement even before Bloodlines 2.
Damn, I didn't know it was still being developed, as far as I knew it was "Indenfinitely hiatus-d"(cancelled-but-we-want-to-keep-your-hopes-up) and that was it. Hope it turns out okay at worst and incredible at best.
If I recall correctly, Troika wanted to confirm that the cab driver is Caine but it was vetoed by White Wolf. I think files associated with him like dialogue and the model / textures still have the prefix "caine" in the game files. There are other theories where the cab driver is possessed/dominated by Caine.
White wolf ruining actual good storytelling since... since forever actually.
For a long while I thought Jack was Caine, with him seemingly having his fingers in some of the things that happened in the game and how knowledgeable he was. The moment I had my conversation with the cab driver though, I realized he was Caine instead.
@@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133 ah yes ....caine having nothing better but fuckingg around in a taxi is great storytelling /s
@@mihai000000 Well better than him not existing at all and the driver just being some random dude, right?
Also I'm not sure why you have to put /s, I think the intent is pretty clear without it, it just feels kinda... reddit with an /s.
@@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133 Considering he is a mythological figure for vampires that many don't believe in, then yeah a game shouldn't say here he is 100% real. There is a reason the Camarilla uses Kindred over Cainite.
Even the historian you meet in the game thinks it's a myth
"Beckett is famous for arguing that the Caine and Abel story is a metaphor for agrarian and hunter-gatherer communities in conflict"
Some people say that the driver could be Cain himself.
If I remember correctly if you play as a Malkavian your character is overwhelmed with fear when you meet him.
troyka hae him listed in the files as cain, and all around the game refrance him as cain, but white wolf vetoed against it (the actual holder and creators of the setting
@@gampie13 howver cain himself confirms that it was him in one novel, so it's cannon now i guess. Well it was his bullshit projection, but that still close enough i think.
@@SapFeaRon even if its a shitty projection its nice to see great grandpa cain take an interest in his more entertaining children. Seriously, the elders hardly do anything fun anymore.
After watching “the parenting” I can’t hear Bruha with out immediately going BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuUuUUuuuuHA
they say that the driver is cain himself,if you use a certain vampire discipline with the driver near you then you will find out he isnt human
There is also a malkavian vampire who thinks he is Cain. Some believe he is the driver.
@@YukoValis
A recent novel confirmed that the Cab driver is actually Cain.
Just for the record, in VtM it was not God who gave Cain his diciplines, God just made him imortal, the angels made him drink blood and burn in the sun, and Lilith gave him his diciplines, I recomend people to read the book of Nod, it's a really interesting window in the World of Darkness
Assuming the Book of Nod is accurate
Chill Zone, I think that is basically accepted that the Cab Driver is Cain himself
Fun fact: if you use console commands to get exp points as a Malkavian right at the start of the game your character actualy confesses that he cheated to Jack
That's every Clan
Malkavian is the best clan to play with for it's puzzling lore.
And the giggle physics.
I used go play this game once per year. And since my first time through I always figured Cain to be the Cab driver, just getting used to the new world, gathering information and watching, guiding. The Malkavian playthrough later down the line cemented this thought.
The fact God was unbothered by the murder, but drew the line at lying is still hysterical
The Taxi Driver is Caine. There's a lot of evidence, especially if you play a Malkavian.
Those powers (disciplines) were actually taught by Lilith (first woman) and not god according to the TTRPG lore. The vampirism side effects were given by each curse that the Creator gave him. Lilith is the woman in that painting that you need to slash during one of those early missions.
My favorite theory about the cab driver: Due to his somewhat older European accent, his ability to befriend one of the oldest vampires in the game and lastly his immense aura at the end means that he might be the protagonist of the previous Vampire The Masquerade video-game. It was a Diablo-esque game and *********MAJOR SPOILERS********** at the end of that game he beats and diablirizes an Antedeluvian. In truth though the general consensus is that it is Caine himself and that the whole sarcophagus questline was just a mcguffin quest laid by Caine and Jack to take down the current corrupt Camarilla and hit the Quei-Jin in the stomach and regain some balance.
I can watch Sseths videos like 5 times and I'll still find new jokes i love his editing style so much
My first play through of this game was Malkavians. And this was also my first introduction to the vampire world and lore. And I LOVED it. And I LOVE Malkavians. xD
Since I enjoyed this game alot I've dived deeper into the whole biblical backstory. As it turns out Cain didn't have any powers at first but after he met up with Lilith who had mastered the art of witchcraft, Cain got her to give him abilities that we can see in the game. After getting what he wanted, Cain left Lilith behind. That was the thing with the gallery painting slashing as well.
A fun little fact - while the 'basic' version of that myth says Cain was cursed by God ,with further weaknesses placed upon him by angels, the some of the more mysticism-oriented Kindred hold a different belief. In their interpretation, God demanded of Cain and Abel a offering of what was precious to them. And while Abel offered the blood of the lamb, Cain gave onto God what was most important to him - his own beloved brother. In that version, vampirism was no curse but a blessing, a reward from God bestowed upon Cain for his act of devotion. Then the other weaknesses - the doom by sun, the fear of fire - were still placed onto him by angels, but here those were acts of spite, made by the angelic host jealous that God elevated mere mortal instead of them.
This game is so great. Wish there were more like it
I am sure others have said this, but the Driver was supposed to be Caine. White Wolf said no though.
Novels say it is Caine though... Using some kinda projection thing like how Luke Skywalker did in that Star Wars Movie that never exists...
The driver is Khaine, i belive it's in The game files.
I actually started playing this recently and I had a really funny interaction as a Brujah; I went to the church club in downtown and the bartender acts as a surrogate confessional booth to get drinks, so when she’s asking me about my life and what sins I’ve commited, I held off on saying anything (since it was vampire related) and then I got the option “I voted Republican once.” I said that and she goes “damn…there’s no drink here that’s gonna wash away a sin that bad.”
cabbie is implied to be caine. But in cannon , caine was sealed in a cave during the events of bloodlines , so a lot of people speculate that he is a malkavian that believes he's caine
wasn't there novel where cain confirmed that it was his remote control bullshit projection tho? the one where he meets jack again?
The devs intended for him to be Cain, but WW vetoed them being explicit about it.
There is a common theory that the driver is Caine
I loved playing a Malkavian on my first playthrough. The dialogue choices and unique interactions where so great. And the whispers in my ear where fun to try and interpret, as if I was really a brand new Malkavian vampire learning the ropes of my gift/curse.
They later get around to addressing where god got his powers from, namely he studied under lilith and consumed her blood, and when he set out to use those powers a triad of angels tried to persuade him against using those powers and cursed him with the main weaknesses (sunlight, thirst for blood, and a inability to die)
I've always believed that the driver is grandpappy Cain
God didn't give Caine powers but he learned them from Lilith, Then Caine abandoned Lilith and went to Ubar. Where he ruled for some time and renamed it the City of Enoch.
Later on Caine embraced three childer, (2nd generation) who then created the 13 antediluvians, (3rd generation). After Caine left just before the flood and left the 2nd and 3rd generations untended the antideluvians rose up and slew their sires in rebellion.
And then the 3rd generation sired the 4th generation before the great flood came.
The driver, is Cain, first vampire, it’s why he knows everything.
The fortune teller on the beach in Santa Monica thinks the cab driver might be Cane.
I respect your stance on religion, I used to be that annoying atheist kid at some point, though it didn't last long. I'm not really religious, but I've learned a different perspective on the matter that's more helpful to me and certainly less aggravating to those who is.
There's a lot for people to learn.
Being a Nosferatu would suck, not just because of your appearance but also because the Niktuku are coming for your blood and there's nothing you can do about it.
Yahweh was angry with Cain for the murder, but murder had not yet been forbidden, so Yahweh punished Cain to the fullest extent that He could without being a hypocrite. Reading the bible chronologically as a story makes it clear that Yahweh has certain expectations for behavior, and the law primarily exists because people keep doing things they should know better than to do, requiring it to then be forbidden. Yahweh's attitude towards the law is also different from our modern legal system: in modern law, ignorance is no excuse, but under the moral law, God does excuse ignorance. God never explicitly forbade murder until after Cain murdered. Cain is the reason that law was put in place. You cannot be repudiated out of ignorance of the law. You cannot be retroactively guilty. This is proven by the fact that Yahweh did not just kill Cain, since the penalty for murder under the law is death. If Cain was subject to the law, he should have been killed. But he wasn't, because that law did not exist yet at that time. Yahweh hated Cain for what he did, but Yahweh would not be unfair and retroactively punish Cain, even if Cain arguably deserved it.
Paul in the New Testament confirms this in his own writings, as he was a highly educated man; being what amounts to a lawyer, a priest, and a historian who was also fluent in several languages. Paul said that the whole of the law can be summarized as loving your own people and loving God, and putting them first in everything you do. Any man who does this CANNOT sin, he CANNOT be found in violation of the law. In summary, God expected us to love our own people and to love Him, and we kept disappointing Him. All the laws put in place are best understood from viewing Yahweh as an exasperated parent who has to keep forbidding more elaborate and specific things because His kids are acting out and doing shit they know they shouldn't. A parent doesn't want to have to set a specific rule saying you can't be out past 11 on a school night and you can't steal cigarettes and smoke them behind the garage. One would hope that's just implied.
It's the same idea here. It wasn't against the law to murder anybody until Cain murdered Abel. And if the law was retroactive, Yahweh would have just killed Cain instead of cursing him and sending him into exile. If we were better children, forbidding things like murder or adultery wouldn't be in the law because they wouldn't have to be. We wouldn't be doing those things. The only reason the law exists at all is because we stole cigarettes and smoked them behind the garage. So now the law has to exist. We proved we can't be trusted to just do whatever we want, which is what Yahweh ORIGINALLY told Adam.
That is a pretty good summary
"Ahh, love will find you next week. Don't stay in love too long, husband find you too."
"You going to fancy restaurant. You going to order snails. Don't eat them! That disgusting! Snails very dirty."
Great advice by Ji Wen Ja.
Still gotta love the fact that based on the TTRPG, when they say Cain is immortal, they MEAN it. Since he has access to basically every vampire discipline, even the ones that no longer exist, at a level you can't match, AND has the biblical Mark of Cain to return any damage dealt to him sevenfold on his attacker...The rules for fighting him if you're stupid/crazy enough to try are literally "You Lose".
lol 5:51 is that Indy Neidell from the Great war channel?
the Downtown theme kills me, the nostalgia of the very early 2000's is powerful for me, I would kill to go back
first time playing this game , and one thing i really really like is the facial expressions when you talk to someone , the way the move and talk or how their hair moves around (long hair ofc)
Spin-off game as a Ventrue. Vampire: The Masquerade-Deadlines.
Also, that hotel mission. Holy cow was it scary.
I remember it got awards for the atmosphere and things in that mission...?
The cabbie is supposed to be Caine himself
bro... watch to the end so many good scenes at the end i didnt get to see you react too.
Yeah it's Cain, but in the table top rpg there was a multiple ending where each of our grand daddy vampires awaken with a different kind of end of the world.
The driver is speculated to be Cain as his aura is different than any other creature in the game. And the problem with bloodlines 2's wait time is they decided to cash in on bloodhunt AND "supposed" script rewrites.
My first playthrough was Nosferatu, and as I always say, If given choice, I would do that way again, but I still don't recommend it for first time players.
The driver is none other than cain himself
The taxi driver is the Dad.
what a handsome man, great video btw
The taxi driver is Cane, you find out if you play malkavian
YEEES, been waiting for this video :D
So a lot of comments here are saying the cab driver is Cain. That might not be the case. While I forget his name, in the white wolf lore there is a Malkavian vampire who thinks he is Cain, and tries to be where he thinks he is needed. So it is possible the cab driver is them.
2:13 Finally! That subreddit is an absolute hellhole. They don't even talk about the belief of no gods, they just really hate religion in general. Their blatant double standards makes me hate them the most.
What is there to talk about?
Not believing in gods is not a belief anymore than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
All the shit that is done in religions name makes it very easy to hate.
@@Flexsan Hate the people who use religion as an excuse. Tell them that their religion doesn't approve of what they're doing. Simple as that.
It is not a 100% confirmed or better said, White wolf the owners of World of darkness never confirmed if it really is, but the bigger part of the fandom belives that the cab driver is Cain, even if it is not my group of friends that I play TTRPG´s with, we all have the headcannon that he is, Cain is just a cab driver, because he got bored of being hidden in a cave in middel of buttfucking nowhere.
this is one of the best RPG's of all time. I might have to re-download it and do another run soon.
My theory that the cab driver is Cain, also the Hollywood sewer kinda easy, you just crouch and shooting the half body monkey thing with a pistol and they'll never even get to land a hit on you.
By the 2nd and 3rd playthrough I jus speedrun the haunted masion and the Hollywood Sewer.
Malkavian is fun but my favorite clan is Gangrel, because there’s a Fire emblem character named after it
Likely a coincidence. Gangrel is a word that dates back to 15th century Scotland and simply means "vagrant".
I always believed that the driver is Caine! :)
I heard one theory that the cab diver is Cain himself though it might be stretching a bit much
The identity of the cab driver depends on if you care about the source material or not. In the pen and paper roleplaying books, Caine actively hates all of his children due to the millennia of drama and betrayal and would NEVER help Jack. He would slaughter him for merely trying to talk to him for Caine has long stopped caring about vampire politics. Canonically the cab driver is a Malkavian who thinks he’s Caine.
However if you just want to go with the video game, then yeah it’s Caine. I think it was correct of White Wolf to veto Troika on this one as Caine isn’t meant to be your friend or someone you can even interact with. He’s supposed to be closer to a force of nature that causes the story to move forward.
He doesn't even cause the story to move forward though. Also in one of the Gehenna books he is literally traveling around with Beckket watching the end of the world.
His only other appearance at all in any version of the game is a single module, again for Gehenna.
Considering Bloodlines is all about concern around Gehenna and White Wolf's own inconsistency...I think they should have just let it be a fun easter egg.
Even for the father of all Vampires, having to kill all your children by your own hand would be extremely fucking tedious and likely not work anyway; Supposedly "dead" clans and bloodlines like the Cappadocians or the Salubri pop up again all the time. It's like trying to mow a lawn by plucking individual blades of grass with your fingertips. More likely he's trying to act in counter to his more immediate children, the 3rd generation, who are acting through their own children.
@@Michael-bn1oi I agree that Caine hasn't really done much of anything in the AD period, but I was just using the book's guidelines in how to run a story in where the players don't interact directly with the main characters of the setting or deal with antediluvian level of power. Similar to how disciplines can have more than 5 dots, or how PC in D&D can technically go above level 20. Caine doesn't have a stat sheet afterall, it just says "You fucking lose". And to be fair, I wouldn't count Beckket as some nobody. He's basically the setting's historian.
Anyway back to my point. Caine being in the game is similar to the "Antediluvian" being in the game... In that it's fake. There isn't really an antediluvian in that sarcophagus. But all the characters in the game are led to believe so, which then forces LaCroix to make an overt power play and be too aggressive, etc. The mere possibility of an antediluvian moves the story forward, but at no point do you actually interact with it by diablerizing it or being possessed by it, etc. Like you mentioned, Caine is essentially just an overpowered hobo that doesn't do anything relevant anymore. He doesn't give a fuck who controls L.A.
The driver is Cain.
Play as a Malkavian, interpret the babble and understand some VERY SCARY secrets of the world.
2:50, hey no spoilers.
You'd be surprised how many people study both physics and philosophy or theology. Personally i am agnostic but Werner Heisenberg once said “The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you”
If you like the video game, maybe one day you can try the TTRPG. I suggest "Vampire: The Masquerade V5" but you can also start with V20 (V20 is an older version, it's a 20th year anniversary edition. V5 came out after) But anyways, this is a good way to get yourself more into the World of Darkness (WoD for short) setting. One more thing, the game is loosely based of lore/mechanics of the 3th version "V3 Revised edition" of Vampire.
V1 / V2 / V3 Revised edition / V20 Anniversary edition / V5
Please, don't doom the guy. V5 (with the exception of some of the lore) is a horrible game. V20 is fun, interesting and closer to what he should expect coming from Bloodlines.
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 to bad I enjoy V5 more than V20
Personally, would rather mix the 2 up when playing V5. I like some of the changes...but others...I get it was done for the sake of 'simplicity' but the result is the extreme nerfing of some of the best, and most unique, Clans in the game!
Main personal issue is what they did with the disciplines - forcing Clans or Bloodlines who hated one another together in ways that directly contradict the lore of the game! Like how the Tereme and Assamite's (Banu Haquim), now have to share "Blood Magic"...even though the two have so much distrust and hatred between them that there's absolutely no way they'd ever share their secrets! Not if Vienna fell, not if the Assamite's rebranded and joined the Camarilla, just NO! Quietus and Thaumaturgy each had a lot of time and energy put into developing them, no way the paths and rituals would just be abandoned or shared at the drop of a hat! 🙄
Same with Necromancy and Obtenebration being turned into the shared discipline of Oblivion! The Lasombra wouldn't suddenly abandon, or share, their unique secrets with the Giovanni (Clan Hecata) or visa versa! The Tremere already spent centuries trying to crack Necromancy, just giving a version of it to the Lasombra? Out of the question! Besides, Obtenebration was a very unique ability, it was NOT Necromancy. It was something else entirely...part of why the Lasombra were so feared to begin with! Combining the two, for simplicities sake, is absurd!
Speaking of groups with a history of hating one another...Clan Hecata! No way the Harbringers of Skulls and Samedi would give up on their age-old grudge over the Giovanni's betrayal and join them! Adding any Nagaraja to said Clan - who had 0 ties to any of them beyond their Necromancy discipline - is just plain Lazy! If anything, the Nagaraja's origins were more closely tied to the Tremere than they were the Giovanni / Cappadocians! And even that is solely through the similarity of: Mortal Mages tried to create their own Vampires, succeed, but at what cost? 🙄
That doesn't even cover all the disciplines that now only exist if you master and combine other disciplines... meaning essentially Anyone can learn what used to be unique skills, like Serpentis and Vicissitude, should they get the formula just right! While the Setites and Tzimisce have to work overtime to master abilities that they've already spent several lifetimes mastering...it's just a HUGE mess! Not to mention all the restructuring that had to take place in order to justify the changes! V20 Tzimisce: Animalism, Vicissitude, + Auspex to V5: Animalism, Dominate, + Protean. V20 Setites: Obfuscate, Prescence, + Serpentis to V5: Obfuscate, Prescence, Protean...and better somehow grab 2 in Fortitude too if you want access to the former level 5 skill 'Heart of Darkness'...🙄 Not the only Clans to be restructured of course, just some of the most notable!
In order to get through a game of V5, I either have to restructure it, so the clans have Full Access to their Original V20 Disciplines, or...just play V20 and not worry about it! I don't see the justification behind letting Brujah, Gangrel, Nosferatu, Toreador, and Ventrue keep all their abilities across generations while all the other Clans / Bloodlines aren't allowed do the same!
For everyone talking about the Cain driver thing I have just one thing to say. PEACE THOUGH POWER!
Malks are just built different.
Where can I find your bloodlines playthrough on youtube?
Of you still remember the plot points, you gotta roll up a malk and see the foreshadowing for yourself
The sewer shortcut just needs ya to have a high computer skill to use.
The taxi is believe to be Cane
Wait, didn't you react to sseth's vampire video already?
it's actually the poorest and less educated populous that are the most religious.
Think the cab driver is Caine
love the new beard, looks good on you
no homo
Should listen to the outro, would have liked to see your reaction to it. Or included it in this video.
I remember this game. Damn it was good with mod corrections. I think 2nd part aint far away. U know what will make that game legendary? It hasnt marketised almost at all last few months even thou they know that 1st is considered ´´Best vampire game ever´´
I mean as far as i seen it will not be a vtmg like bloodlines at all.
Basically like 3 clans to choose in a linear game with metrosexual vamp (male and female model looks basically the same).
Long story short the 2 game will be a propped up corpse with makeup and they telling you that it is a normal human woman. After it fails they will of course say its the right wingers fault or that vampire games as a whole are not popular right now and shit like that.
Just watch some announcements they made and if you have 2 braincells you should get the idea that it is just a name grab to get any easy nostalgia money.
Cab driver is Cain
You'd probably love deus ex if you haven't played it. Bloodlines is on my list
I prefer the interpretation that the driver was Cain, as it was the intention of the writer of the game and is heavily implied to be the case, and the book that they retconned that with was fucking awful, so I like to pretend it doesn't exist.
cab driver is Cain
I see your point; i like theology, and find it very interesting. But i dont drink the kool aid
basically, these are interesting stories but that's about it.
Game appears to be another example of less is more.
Doesn't need to be 100 hours long.
Doesn't need to have massive open world.
Looks good.
It truly is, and has a lot of replayability
Why is 2nd one taking devs so long?
Lack of any good writers it seems. They had dramas upon dramas after they did change writing rooms to be 'more progressive' and 'generously inclusive'.
Vampire the masquerade bloodlines is epic game!!
You were a Bible study teacher? Awesome man
Fan of VtM: Bloodlines? Clearly a man of culture.
Dude, your link to the original vid is wrong. Its going to some meme compilation.
It's Caine.
2.40 that's not true at all and the explanation is even worse: yes god slaughtered people, but always for a reason. and depending on how believing you are, that reason was always justified. the lying was bad but the murder was the far bigger crime.
The credits scene is great, shame you didn’t watch it.
You fan of vtm?
Absolutely love this game! It has been my favorite since 2004, and I play it 2-3 times a year.
However, with your… philosophical comment, are you implying that atheists are uneducated and/or don’t know anything?
The nosferatu and malkavs are doomed.
Almost the great renaissance natural philosophers were Christian - Einstein even stated 'God doesn't roll dice' ... :)
Edit: Jack is a Gangrel, an Antediluvian in the 'Rules as Written' is a world ending event level creature, it doesn't have a 'class' as such. So yeah, I'd go with the Taxi Driver :)
The history of Cain and Abel is more about who tell the history then everything else. The conclusion is "if you follow your superior orders and do what is told, you ll go to heaven, otherwise god ll be very unhapy and you ll go to hell." In the perspective of the revolution and down of the dominat class, cain is more like a symbol of rebellion, and this is a unfolding of the dissatisfaction, present nowsday for most people who feel injuscticed for the system. In the end, Cain is more like a hero, hwo had the courage to face the "god".
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Med et navn some din forstår jeg godt at du tænker sådan
@@TheChillzoneX til hvers að hugsa þegar hægt er að drekka og bulla? :)
Two chances to react to the funny line compilation at the end and both times you skipped it, sad times.
2:10 based AF
Science is the how, religion is the why. They don’t have to cancel out each other unlike what some fedora tippers think.
Religion is trash.
Science began in the catholic church with the intention of finding the "how". the conflict arise when science started to show that said beliefs didn't hold on to scrutiny
@@crissis3263 Funny how you say that yet the main funder of scientific studies for centuries. Most of the cases of the church targetting scientists were either massive exaggerations or outright lies that became popular with the reformation.
@@nunyabusiness7942 first, eh yeah that's the point it was the church that started it, just to backfire on them.
And ok, lets imagine that the scientist being percecuted were, as u said "exAgGeRaTiOns" or "oUtrIGht LiEs" (gona need sources for that) alright, so what? that doesn't change stuff, the conflict is still there, did u expected it to be a "gotcha moment" or what?
@@savvythedivineyethuggable7493 yes, and pretty much every scientific discovery since.