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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2023
- I've been wanting to talk about this since Mario Odyssey first came out.
Another small note, both games have souvenirs that you can buy at every country. Again, adds to that feel of travelling the world.
Thanks to NRU07 for the HD World Adventure logo.
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Turns out a few people from Sonic Team went to Nintendo and worked on Mario Odyssey. But it seems it was mostly just environment artists and such. No one that would be in a position to make the creative decisions of what the game is going to be. So while it is possible that there is a direct connection between Unleashed and Odyssey, we can't really say for sure.
Another massive simularity to mention: The title characters change form in a brand new way.
Also, Antz vs. Bug's Life was not the best example to use in regards to coincidences. Antz being similar to Bug's Life was actually not all that coincidental. Jeffrey Katzenberg defected from Pixar to DreamWorks, essentially stole John Lassiter's idea for a movie about bugs, and then went out of his way to make sure his movie came out first. The competition and comparisons were very much deliberate in that instance.
A more apt example would've been something like, say, Pokémon and Digimon, two franchises that debuted around the same time where the similarities between the two were, for the most part, coincidences. Both were just pulling from the same inspiration (Ultraman's capsule kaiju), but Pokémon combined that concept with bug collecting whereas Digimon combined it with Tamagotchi.
Tbh, I was going to comment about it myself until I agreed with you about it possibly being a coincidence.
Don't be so sure, when working in a team, there's a huge overlap with jobs, and ideas traverse parties pretty frequently.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Especially in japan game development, there can be quite some overlap with jobs
Both Unleashed and Odyssey involves traveling the world, small new friends, collecting moons/moon medals, etc
Unleashed has 1 small friend while the rest are gone or useless
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Same with Mario Odyssey tbh
I heard after Sonic Generations was shipped many Sonic Team devs left Sega to work for Nintendo, some ended up working on SMO. Since SMO I've been noticing Mario has been more Sonic-y in its presentation. Many poses Mario does in SSBU are iconic Sonic poses. Also, SMO having main lyrical theme and a final stage lyrical theme are something Mario never did before but are staples of 3D Sonic games.
Yeah I noticed that too. Also Mario rolling down hills and trying to make him cooler and more epic like in Bowser's Fury and Mario+Rabbids Sparks of hope
As far as I know, most of the people who left were artists.
And Breath of the Wild too.
@@matiosmentayeah, a majority who left were artists, Like the field designers. There were a few devs and program managers left SEGA and worked on Odessy or other Nintendo games like BOTW.
Mario does iconic Sonic poses in Smash Ultimate? Where?
11:55 - Antz and Bug's Life wasn't at all a coincidence. Someone working on Bug's Life talked to an ex-coworker about the movie during early development, believing them to still be trustworthy. The ex-coworker felt wronged by Disney and wanted to make their new 3D movie flop, so he pushed hard to get something similar done before Pixar could finish that could, based on the _early_ knowledge he had, make it look like Disney was copying someone else's work (or at least split the viewer base to decrease Disney's sales).
Later, when they made Shrek, the character Farquad was inspired by his old boss at Disney, which is why the area outside his castle had some theme park elements.
Damn. I had no idea.
the ex-coworker you're referring to was Katzenberg and he was a chairman at disney and felt like he was robbed of the position of CEO and went on to found Dreamworks kinda out of spite.
@eishikibahamut Katzenberg is also an entitled, petty asshole who knows nothing about filmmaking. He tried to get "Part of Your World" cut from Little Mermaid, and "Friend Like Me" cut from Aladdin, for pete's sake. Not to mention, he blatantly broke the contract terms with Robin Williams, which is why Williams refused to work with Disney for over a decade after Aladdin.
@@Pariah6950 A better example would’ve been when Tom and Jerry and Bugs Bunny just happened to make identical piano cartoons at the exact same time lol. All evidence suggests that despite having all the exact same gags, nobody copied anyone. It’s just a big weird coincidence.
Putting Sonic Unleashed and Mario Odyssey in the same box together makes me smile.
They're both fantastic globetrotting adventures.
Unleashed is way better for the CGI cutscenes, voice acting, gameplay and more. Not saying Odyssey is bad but still
@@avcables_I know I know it's a very tired talking point but there are more werehog levels than there are day levels also Eggmanland
@@secondbestjojo1300eggmanland? i think you mean PEAKland
@@utrarafat More like WAY TOO LONG land.
Another fun little coincidence that kinda ties into this is that Makoto Yonezu, the lead field artist of Unleashed, actually moved on to work with Nintendo in 2009 and eventually did work on Odyssey's level design lol
They're both world touring adventures that involve worldbuilding without elaborating upon pre-existing world building(which they should've), besides Bowser's Castle and New Donk City, of course.
Imagine a Mario game featuring Toad Town, Sarasaland, and etc, and a Sonic game with the islanders, a human continent, Blaze's Dimension, and Planet Wisp?
They were trying to get as far away from the past games a s possible so the game can stand on its own. You dont need any prior knowledge of Sonic to understand anything in the game.
Also that kind of would have ruined the affect Generations had as just pulling from previous places is the entire identity of Gens. which only came out 3 years later.
Sonic and Mario
Chip and Cappy
Traveling the world to stop Eggman and Bowser.
Collecting moons/moon medals
@@thetruej7872and putting the ship and the earth back together.
A lot of the devs who worked on Unleashed later went to Nintendo to work on games like Galaxy 2, BOTW and Odyssey. This also might be one of the reasons why Sonic Team can never stay consistent with the quality of their games; it's not always the same team.
it also helps that odyssey and unleashed share some developers
i think the sonic team devs that moved over to nintendo are mostly environmental artists that worked on stuff other than odyssey though so this probably isn't as big of a factor as it may sound
Mario when he first rode the Odyssey: Sounds like a great excuse to see the world!
Wasn't expecting anyone to EVER compare Dark Gaia and the Broodals, but hey, I'm all for it! XD
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Heck, this level looks a lot like Planet Wisp
I'm so grateful that Mario doesn't turn into a Werehog.
that's a pretty great comparison... it's almost like how i view Sonic 3 & Knuckles as the Super Mario World of the sonic series
but maybe that's a little bit of a different topic
Don't forget Mario can roll down hills just like Sonic always has and never ditched even once.... oh wait.
i saw the title and thought "oh no phariah finally snapped"
and now I'm trying to convince myself that mario odisey didn't ripped off unleashed
great video as aways pariah
This is not uncommon for Sonic and Mario for some reason, within the respective GameCube era, both heroes get thrown in the jail because of the actions of a doppelgänger, and must work to unframe them selves
Or how they both had space adventures on the wii lol
Bout to make me go back and replay BOTH these games
Super Mario odyssey is like what if mario was like sonic , and Sonic Lost World is like what if sonic was like mario
A question a bit unrelated to the video:
Are you also going to make videos about sonic unWiished, or maybe even the Java version of the game?
And keep up the good content man! I especially enjoy hearing the takes you bring up in your gameplay analysis videos.
And about this video's subject. I also think maybe a reason why both games ended up having these aesthetics, is that both were some of the first games in their respective franchises, that really tried to push realistic graphics on HD consoles. And a really natural way to achieve this, is literally copying reality, and hence that could be how they came up with the traveling around the world to similar to real-life destinations.
That's my little theory.
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This video is just revenge for that time when people were calling Sonic Colors a ripoff of Mario Galaxy because they're both in space
And they were both on the Wii.
There's also a power-up in Odyssey that allows you to run on water.
Technically Mario has had something like that since 64 with the Koopa Shell, or Sunshine with the Turbo Nozzle which was definitely the main inspiration for that power-up in Odyssey (though technically the turbo nozzle didn't actually make you _run_ on the water), or Mini Mario in NSMB, or heck even the ice flower in Galaxy technically did a similar kind of thing, and then post-Unleashed there was Dash Yoshi in Mario Galaxy 2 which let you run on water, so that's not any new Unleashed similarity for Mario unique to Odyssey.
Here me out,Sonic Unleashed and Zelda; Twilight Princess are really really similar,
They both involve the main character switching between two styles,with one making them become a wolf,
Followed around by their pixie friend guide who's actual form is revealed later in the game
I guess this proves that Sonic Unleashed took some inspiration from Twilight Princess.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that when Mario finally gets to Bowser on the moon, Bowser pulls a switch that sends Mario down into a type of level that’s difficult for Mario (ie lava). In Sonic 1 when Sonic finally gets to Eggman after Scrap Brain 2, Eggman presses a switch that sends Sonic down to an inconvenient level for him (ie water level)
Another similarity b/w the two is they both have a souvenir and both have a cozy little place you can go to view your souvenirs.
Pickles Home and the Cappy Ship. There are even more similarities but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
This video deserves a million views. I too have noticed many similarities between this and Sonic Unleashed. One thing you forgot to point out is how the cafe jukebox at New Donk City sounds almost identical to Professor Pickle's lab.
It feels nice that someone else noticed this lol. I definitely felt this way when going through Oddessy
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice this. You definitely went deeper than I have though
At first I was like, "are you smoking bananas?" But each time you explained, realization felt like a cold shower
Well in super Mario galaxy the same thing happens where it looks like Mario dies which is like oddessy
I wouldnt be surprised if these similarities may have come from how both of these games were kind of follow ups to very "low" points in their respective series. Unleashed is a follow up of 06 and Odyssey is a follow up to 3d world, the game that was meant to help sell one of nintendos worst selling sytstems. It wouldnt surprise me if both take this more grand globe trotting adventure format and more theatrical high stakes plot in order to raise the stakes and really give these games a sort "grand return to form" kind of feeling. Both also in ways sort of go back to basics too, like how you illustrated in your unleashed video and with odyssey it's more focused return to the 64 style of level format. I think a lot of these similarities kinda come from narrative and mechanical tropes and general structures that people often use to kinda make a big entrance again, since doing them often shows a level of effort and want to make something really dramatic and eye catching since these types of stories and games can be pretty difficult to pull off.
Also I feel the enemies reflecting the gimmick of the game is kind of a trope itself, sunshine does the same thing with flud and how a lot of enemies barf and shoot their own stuff and how many of the enemies are made of various liquids. Odyssey approaches cappy VERY differently from the way sonic does the werehog, since cappy's more an extention of your core moves as well as letting you take over other enemies, where as the were hog is a completely unrelated fleshed out style of mechanics. Same for thematically, the broodles and enemies more so wear hats to stop you from hitting them with your own and because that's just the visual identity of this game, where as dark gaia has like a lof of real plot signifigance and lore going on. Also I get the feeling the broodles are just new enemies mainly to add mechanical and visual variety, most likely because that was a BIG problem a lot of people had with the game odyssey is following up on, 3d world. They're probably rabbits due to the "japanese moon rabbit" trope, especially given bowsers weirdly japanese themed castle this time around.
There’s also the laid back piano covers of each games theme that they have
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This was a major same as you moment for me with these comparisons.
Don’t forget that Mario’s first game was Donkey Kong, which took place in New York. And Mario was originally a carpenter saving his girlfriend, Pauline, from being kidnapped by Donkey Kong at a NYC construction site. SMO’s New Donk City and Mayor Pauline are direct references to the 1981 arcade.
Also, Mario went to the Moon in Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins and across the entire Galaxy twice in Super Mario Galaxy 1-2.
Sega does what Nintendoes eventually...
I was honestly apprehensive with this idea but after the first minute and showing the clips side by side I was growing more convinced by the second. I've heard that they share a handful of developers like level designers which is why Forces was so lackluster in level design. The majority of devs were busy at Nintendo.
Yeah it seems after gens, some Sonic Team Devs moved to Nintendo. And it seems some worked on Odyssey. But it seems that Sonic Team has been increasing in size since forces. And there hasn’t been losses in Sonic Team devs since forces. Hopefully this new Sonic Team stays and doesn’t leave to another company. It seems they know what they are doing especially with Frontiers Reception being positive. Also on Twitter the Director has been responding to requests of fans for the next Sonic Game and it seems we are going to see the return of Real Pinball Physics/ momentum gameplay in the next game seeing the Director Mario Kishimoto has seen that many people have been requesting the return of proper momentum.
Most of the plot elements and general feel also applies to Mario Galaxy and Paper Mario, I actually kinda laughed when I first played Mario Galaxy because the opening gameplay setpiece is pretty much the same from Paper Mario, saying that Mario Odyssey and Sonic Unleashed are uncannily similar in vibes needs to include how those games vibes are similar to what Mario already did before a couple decades ago, and even then Mario or Sonic probably didn't do this first, there's probably a game or movie or series that did this before them and they took inspiration from that
Take this as you will. But I vaguely remember something about the Mario Odyssey team having at least a few people who had previously worked on Sonic Unleashed.
This is my first time seeing someone pointing this out, so FINALLY!
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. They are both my favorite games in the series.
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I imagine that Odyssey took inspiration due to the main idea being so similar.
I mean Then again, Sonic did steal many ideas from the new super mario bros games in Colors/Lost world. Mario is just doing the same with Odyssey and Bowser(s) fury as revenge for stealing their ideas
With this stretch, I wouldn't be surprised if your back was broken
this was a good vid
like your take on oddysey
My first instinct was ,,Well, that's a goofy video title. Wonder if it's just a joke or something like that."
5 seconds into the video I thought to myself ,,Wait, he actually is right though!"
Just shows how impressively observant you are while playing these games.👍
Hey are you going to do a video about the Sonic OVA in the future?
Now talk about how Mario Sunshine and Sonic Adventure 2 are really similar
Both were on the GameCube lol.
nintendo does that sega does
Hey I was wondering if you could do a video on the story of Willy wombat a sega Saturn game
Kinda sounds like a crackhead theory lol
Welp that just make me love both games more
Apparently some of the people who worked on unleashed went to work at Nintendo
After you are done with sonic videos it would be cool to do the same with the Mario series
The Nintendon't joke really fits here.
at this point , i really wonder if nintendo would ever make a donkey kong 3d with game play of country games , come to think about , there is a rumour suggest that many game developers worked with sega are now working with nintendo and they probably left sega after unleashed, and with donkey country games having an unique style of momentum fast paced platforming that has slops in level design but not with momentum based physics , while being closer yo the kind of platforming that mario is , you would think it would much easier for sonic game developers who probably went to nintendo after unleashed to make that
You forgot the most important similarity: both are the peak of their respective series
That's funny, too bad this isn't an April Fools video
@@AkameGaKillfan777 sorry for your bad taste
@@Laekith The average Unleashed stan, can't handle anyone not speaking out about their perfect masterpiece of a game completely immune to criticism.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 it's not perfect by any means, it's just the best Sonic can be imo
It's quite surprising how these two games have so much in common. Wish I could say the same for how I feel about them though
If you look at every bit of their history, what would one do without other? There are many similarities in some aspects.
I always thought Mario Odyssey was similar to Sonic Frontiers.
I’d say the games are very similar in their concepts, but not really in their execution. If you actually look at Holoska next to the Snow Kingdom, or compare Empire City to New Donk City, they look, sound and feel wildly different. Odyssey’s kingdoms all have some kind of silly Mario twist, and honestly resemble Paper Mario or Sunshine more than anything in Unleashed. Sonic Unleashed is much more grounded and familiar, making it feel like Sonic is just blazing through the real world.
Odyssey also loves messing with art styles to make it feel like Mario is out of his element. Luncheon Kingdom, Lost Kingdom and Ruined Kingdom are especially out there aesthetically, while Sonic Unleashed is pretty consistent from beginning to end. I feel like the concept for Odyssey wasn’t just to be a globetrotting adventure, but also to make Mario feel like a fish out of water, which Unleashed doesn’t really do for Sonic. In fact, it’s 06 that went for the “fish out of water” vibe, which is why Odyssey got so many 06 comparisons when it was first revealed.
Both are traveling around the world, and the characters that appear are the main protagonist, the archenemy, the little brother, the heroine, and this time's guest character.
Y'know, I never picked up on these things. Maybe I should try Odyssey sometime, considering Unleashed is my favorite game.
Ah, yes, the two games about travelling the world
I actually have the same kind of feeling when comparing Ratchet & Clank All4One with Sonic Lost World.
Yeah, and Super Mario Sunshine is also really similar to Sonic Adventure 2
Both are GameCube games.
Do momento que eu vi as gameplays de super Mario odyssey eu percebi as similaridade.
Não esperava ver outro Br por aqui
@@antoniopedro2649 somos dois kk
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@@josephboechat6020 exatamente kkkk e eu pensando que era o único Br que acompanha o pariah
Something else you didn't mention is that both games have near their endings the villains finally fulfilling their life-long dreams just to get trashed by the heroes (Bowser's finally actually marrying Peach and Eggman finally built Eggmanland)
Hats off for Nintendo to make Mario Odyssey for what it is. But then Sega got the lead years ago over this. Funny. Mario Odyssey trailers had this feeling that I had been there before. Especially the New York stage they showcased early on.
looked at the title I'ma love this video lmao
Also .steam gardens = planet wisp. Dinosaur scooter chase = city escape.
I like how this guy still likes to compare Sonic and Mario even though Sonic and Mario at the Olympic games murdered every last bit of excitement to see these 2 gaming icons in the same game
Oh, I got a video planned to rant about just that.
@@Pariah6950 how convenient
Only mistake with odyssey in my opinion is that it doesnt have luigi in the main story(i know there is the ballon world DLC but anyways),and yoshi is post game content.I wanted them to be in the main story
Yeah if Nintendo character is like sega character look like a a same game there
Like Sonic Unsalted and Mario Odyssey
I'm baffed you didn't mention the fact that Wooded Kingdom is just the exact same as Planet Wisp from Sonic Colors, both feature a florest of a similar tone of blue, that is overcomed by a red factory in the middle of it that has in some form a purple liquid involved in its design (in Sonic Unleash it is the water from the planet that is purple, and in Mario Odyssey it is the attack of some of the enemies that involve tainting the area around them with a purple liquid as obstacles for the player to avoid). But the biggest similarity is in their respective bosses, in witch both on them involves around a robot in which 3 major elements of their designs are having circular body (one being vetically sideways and the other being horizontaly standing), having eyes (one having two eyes coming from the middle and the other having one big eye in the middle) and both of them have lasers as its main form of offfense against the player. I don't bealive in the slightest that this is a coincidence, I DON'T.
I was going to, but I'll save that for the upcoming dedicated Odyssey video.
@@Pariah6950 Nice stuff, but... you are not intending in making reviews of the entire Mario series just like you are doing with Sonic, right? Cause that would be pretty insane even for you.
@@henriquezioto8760 I'm not. Probably gonna do that for Zelda, next.
This video is just further proof that an adventure game featuring Mario and Sonic CAN work! 😄
For me just like you say, "great minds think alike" however even if Nintendo based odyssey on unleashed, I really do not mind, finding inspiration from other places it is not a crime (as long it's not an absolute rip off) but odyssey did great, specially alternating between the many enemies you can control and the 2d sections, hence despite their similarities I still think great of both games, now we just need a crossover game of these two (excluding the olympics)
Thats an egg on nintendos face
Did you say the same with Super Mario Galaxy and Sonic Lost World years ago?
Lost World does what Galaxy does, but badly
Also. Comparing Mario Odyssey, a game fully polished and released at time not rushed a love letter to old school 3D collectathons...
To SONIC UNLEASHED a game that barely works that people just remember for stablishing the stupid "press button to speed" basically killing any type of MOMENTUM for the franchise since then.
With a extra required mode to beat the game that doesn't look at all like the regular one.
Sonic Unleashed isn't about gaining momentum but maintaining it through precision platforming.
You are judging it for not being a follow up to SA1 which it was never meant to be.
Also the "boost to win" argument is just braindead, there's a reason people have stopped using it.
Great minds think alike
some of the developers for generations and unleashed went to work nintendo so this might be the case lol
another similarity,Wooded kingdom is planet wisp
Here we go again…..
I think the broodals are more likely to the zeti
I also think that Sonic Unleashed and Twilight Princess are quite similar
Agreed.
Both games have the main character turning into a wolf.
Both games also have a fairy guide character who has problems.
And both have a character who has aminisa.
Also both games were on the Wii, and are both playable in HD.
Random question: What is your opinion on Mario? Not the games or franchise just the character himself.
I mean, he's not even a character. He's video game man.
Okay?
@@nathanielamoah1127 He's not wrong, is he? Mario is hardly presented like a person. He's just a happy-go-lucky canvas. You could say that about the entire Mario universe. Motivations, history, politcial, emotional, spiritual conflict... there's none of that in the Mushroom Kingdom. Mario is just the video game man. Not much to say beyond what is seen in the cartoons and comics, but I don't see anyone scrambling to make Mario a 3-dimensional character now or ever.
@@maestro7534 I mean I get where you might be coming from but Mario has shown a bunch of personality in the games such as dreaming about food in 64 and Sunshine, Dancing to music in Odyssey, being highly competitive in games like Strikers, being serious when fighting strong enemies, being playful such as taunting bowser in the boss fights of 64, being supportive to his brother, romantic with peach, even showing sadness when fludd and Huey when they seemingly die, etc. The point is there are so many examples of Mario displaying emotions and a character. I'm not saying he's the most complex character out their but the point still stands. He might seem like the "video game man" but he is still much more than that.
Funny how a lot of nintendos devs are sega alumni
5:35 isn't like it was the most STEREOTYPICAL U.S city in the planet.
Clicked for a troll video, stayed a oddly fascinating argument 😅
they’re both PEAK FICTION AS WEL
Almost every similarity between the games are just common tropes ...
Also if you look at the water, is blue
I found Bowser’s Fury weirdly similar to Sonic Unleashed.
I already knew Super Mario Odyssey was way too similar to Unleashed the moment I laid eyes on it.
Due to my Sonic over Mario bias, I must call Odyssey a copy of Unleashed.
Before I start watching, I'm going to assume this is a fifteen minute joke. But let's see what happens. 😭
Nintendo be like: Fine I'll do it myself. and just did it better
I mean Nintendo did copy off Sonic before so this ain't no surprise and I did notice this playing Odyssey
The music is so simular
I clicked on this video cause i thought you were mad, now i feel insane for never noticing
Still hate unleashed though
Why do you hate Unleashed?
@@dantelawrence4676 its just (in my opinion) not fun, especially the werehog, just not my thing. I'm more of a fan of the boost levels, but even then, I think generations did it better. Half the game doesnt gel with me, and I find the other half just alright.
Now do sunshine and adventure 2