How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling | Ask This Old House
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- This Old House host Kevin O'Connor and electrician Scott Caron head to Denver to install a fan on a cathedral ceiling.
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Shopping List for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
Remote-control ceiling fan with light kit
- 14-3 and 14-2 nonmetallic electrical cable, used to power the switch and fan
- Electrical tape
- Old-work fixture box and blank cover plate, for concealing wire connections
- Pancake electrical box with cable connector, used to mount the ceiling fan
- Twist-on wire connectors, for joining together electrical wires
- 36-inch-long downrod, used to lower the fan from the ceiling
Tools List for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
- Screwdriver
- Needle-nose pliers
- Drywall saw, used to cut access holes in wall and ceiling
- Cordless drill with 3/4-inch-diameter bit, for boring cable holes
- Fish tape, used to pull wires
- Scaffolding and ladders, for working at ceiling height
- Linesman pliers, for cutting and twisting wires
- Wire strippers, used to remove insulation from wires
Steps for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
1. Turn off the electrical power to a nearby wall switch
2. Unscrew the cover plate and switch from the switch box.
3. Use needle-nose pliers to snap off the plastic tab from the rear of the switch box.
4. Use a drywall saw to cut an access hole in the wall near the ceiling directly above the switch box.
5. Drill a 3/4-inch-diameter hole through the top wall plate.
6. Use a drywall saw to cut a second access hole in the ceiling on the opposite side of the wall.
7. Push a fish tape through the hole in the switch box and up to the access hole at the top wall plate.
8. Attach a length of 14-3 electrical cable to the lower end of the fish tape, and pull the cable up through the wall to the access hole at the top wall plate.
9. Push the fish tape from the top plate to the second access hole in the ceiling.
10. Attach the cable to the fish tape, then pull the cable across the ceiling to the second access hole.
11. Cut a round hole in the ceiling at the ceiling-fan location.
12. Push the fish tape from the second access hole down to the ceiling-fan hole.
13. Attach a 14-2 electrical cable to the end of the fish tape, then pull the cable to the second access hole.
14. At the second access hole, install an old-work plastic fixture box, then make the wire connections: white to white, black to black, and bare copper ground to bare copper ground. Leave the red wire unattached.
15. Screw a blank cover plate over the fixture box.
16. Snap a cable connector onto a pancake box, pull the cable through the connector, then screw the box to the roof rafter.
17. Install a 36-inch-long downrod to the ceiling fan.
18. Screw the fan's mounting bracket to the pancake box, then fasten the fan's brace to the bracket.
19. Hang the ceiling fan's ball joint onto the brace.
20. Make the wire connections at the fan box, then attach the fan blades to the ceiling fan.
21. Install the light kit to the underside of the fan.
22. Make the wire connections at the switch box, then reinstall the switch and cover plate.
23. Turn on the power and test the operation of the fan and light.
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“Box comes with this template” (takes out sad paper circle). Love it
She had a popcorn ceiling, a pencil or template was not needed.
@@RayleighCriterion popcorn ceiling . ahahaha . now thats a good word to describe.
😂😂☹️
That was classic!
@@Abhishek-C92 lol that's what it's called
“Is there another way?” Be hot in your living room I guess
Matthew F 😂
Lmao
“We can cut a hole here and here” ‘omg isn’t there another way?’ “Sure... we can cut a hole here and here just upstairs!”
And now you don’t have a switch...
How else would u do it without cutting holes?
Crafty it has a remote. 10x better than a lame old switch lol
@@foxfiresidechats5227 until you lose it. Why is having a switch for a fan a bad thing?
@@tedfisher1396 You can't avoid cutting holes. The point he was trying to make is if you're gonna cut X amount of holes, why not cut 1 or 2 more to have a wired switch?
@@CupidFromKentucky absolutely, I had a customer who wanted a chandelier with 2 three ways installed in their dining room without any demolition or holes cut. I explained the process and they freaked out.
Me: "Oh wow! They did a great job!"
Everyone in the comments: "These idiots don't know what they are doing!! Gah!!"
No kidding. I just love how after This Old House (or any home improvement.... for that matter) posts a video, all the experts come out telling them everything they did wrong.
Now let’s see all the “Experts” post their videos and see how they do.
I've notice that Fan is a Casablanca Panama w/K55 motor with A new Comfort Touch
@@SampleZebra advan touch
@@mrbignatedog_Official Not quite, its a IT3 remote control. A advanced touch fan would be this th-cam.com/video/O0Hwo2viGuE/w-d-xo.html
Oh yeah they just carry half a ceiling in their truck
I can't have any holes in my easily repairable drywall!
Thats funny.
I agree, but most home owners don’t care how it inconveniences the workman
algum eletricista brasileiro pra ajudar xingar esse eletricista porco 🐷
Fr tho shits annoying like it take five mins to fix and costs little to nothing
They took out the part where they all sleep together..... I think I’m on the wrong site.
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Lmao
Things you'll need to install a ceiling fan on a cathedral ceiling:* Computer with Internet Access* Telephone* Checkbook
Steps:1. Use the Internet to find the greatest electrician in town. Obtain a phone number.2. Use the telephone to arrange for the electrician to put the fan in.3. Sit back and relax while the electrician puts the fan in.4. Write a check to pay the electrician for a job well done.
So its an electrician we hire??
or a handy man.
I think it's a Casablanca ceiling fan
It is
8:34 the girl's face is like: "Can't wait for this to be over. These guys are wasting their time explaining this to me. I'm never gonna install a fan on my own anyway" LOL
When he started tracing that template I started squirming, good god man it’s tracing a template not surgery!
Yeah, that was a strange technique. Most pros have an assortment of hole saws. Makes quick work of it.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto You are correct. Most pros have hole saws. Most homeowners don't.
He's trying to show homeowners that don't have that type of equipment for them to do it themselves
Use the box as a template
And on the second one he used the box as template
8:27 “flush with the sheet rock 🪨” 🤤 so satisfying when Scott says that
Casablanca Panama
Kevin would make a great apprentice, so eager to help lol
He also says 'It's 77 inches!' when it's clearly 77 and a half, or a third.
He wrote into the show years ago asking how to remove wallpaper. Now he is a host of renovation show. Smh!
He loves them guys though hell Tommy got him building furniture
OK...how long did it really take to fish those wires?
+todd baker . Fishing wire across the rafters isn't easy because there aren't furring strips in most cases.
+todd baker if it was me, from start to finish, roughly 3 hrs. (it takes me 35-mins to install similar fan in a low ceiling. 25 mins without light kit -basic fans-) them: set-up scaffoldings, cameras etc, probably the whole day.
+erictold Not to mention there's no insulation in the ceiling either.
Agreed
Long enough to fill a 10 gallon swear jar.
Good luck taping the top cut at the ceiling, you should have left 2 inches. You butchered that top plate, that would never pass an inspection. You're the guy who screws up framing and leaves someone else to repair it in the future. Where did they find this amatuer? So many things against code, too many to list.
Tom bryan you don’t know any building codes
Name one code violation, Tom
oh my that paper template was so funny hahahahaha
I've been watching this show on PBS since I was a kid. I became a first time home owner this year. The existing ceiling fan in my master bedroom was dated and shook horribly. I got a new fan to replace it and discovered that the old fan had the C-shaped hanging bracket facing the wrong way!!! Thanks for clarifying that the opening must face the higher end of the slant. I installed the new fan myself and it works perfectly!
That is the kind of problem that LOOKS really easy. That's the secret, it looks obvious!
The light kit wasn’t necessary
its not satin nickel for the finish its brushed nickel.
American cardboard houses....
Why did he not install a LED light bulb, did he say 100 Watt ???
That could have been a 10 to 12 watt LED.
+Thias Russell national known LED brand makers haven't come up with LED replacement bulbs for that particular base. (they've could of chosen a different fan)
That Make sense, but for me it looks like a G9 bulb. But correct me if I am wrong.
Regards.
thats a casablanca advan-touch panama, using an LED would fry the board
Coxfame incorrect it could've really been replaced with an LED and that location is perfect for it as it's harder to access
Thias Russell It was 2015... and they were expensive and besides... the fan came with it. So what... quit nit picking.
I love watching these videos. So impressive on the problem-solving skills and skill set involved. Thank you for the free entertainment!
Retrofitting always turns out to be a can of worms.
That popcorn ceiling is a pain in the butt. I helped my dad scrape it off of our house in all the rooms. And then texture it all as well. Horrible stuff.
4:45 why not put a fan fixture? that will allow a fan to be put in
The loft looks too short to have a fan put in.
No most brands sell extremely small fans for these kinds or rooms. That room looks like it can snuggly fit a 42” fan.
Most people don't begin to realize what guys like him and plumbers and hvac guys have to go thru to get a job accomplished.
Especially women
Popcorn ceiling, abestos?
How was there a void up in the loft but not the family room area? That ceiling would have been dry walled all at once.
What I will also do is use the blue lock tight on the screw threads so the vibration from the fan doesn't shake the screws loose.
She’s cute
Nice new fan, but she's got a hole in the side of her wall.
WirelessHotShot there's a utility cover that can easily cover it
FYI - they make "saddle" and retrofit side mount fan rated boxes that give you more room for wires than a pancake.
They also make ones where the joist fits right in the middle of the box.
The light kit on the fan is not exactly easy to get at when the bulb needs replacement. I'd want an LED light source there.
8:32 When I'm guiding my wife down.
Tom silva would have done a better job lol. 😁 plus he has the chat up lines for the women
Never trust a middle aged man with a flavor saver.
Seems to me that they only feature pretty women!
RichardGMoss you look like u live in the woods
They should use a Advan-Touch Casablanca panama because it has more features
Dude finding a brand new advanced touch fan would probably be impossible. I am honestly surprised these guys could find a brand new IT3 Casablanca panama in 2015.
Thank you for doing this like it
Good thing ATOH was paying the bill....not a cheep install.
I love your picar of the lighting
11:21 11:20 11:24
I needed this video to figure my 92 yr old cathedral ceiling.The pancake will work there.Thank you so much.
2000s Late - Mid Casablanca Panama I fan that we're going again Install have been wanting if the Reality Fans in Malaysia! knowing what very powerful a Remote control
I see
Wish you showed how to do the final wall switch connections. Best t show from beginning to end. of all connections.
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RED- wire is extra, (in case you add a light fixture in the future) so you don’t connect that one to anything
Copper/ ground goes together with all the other ones
White- wire goes with the white wire behind the switch (if the switch has an extra insert hole) or add a wire-nut to secure the extra wire for the fan.
Black- wire same procedure as white but obviously for the the black wire.
The biggest issue is always having enough space for all the wires
@@eduardodedios8213 is the reason for not using the red wire because she is using the remote control to turn it on and off???
Imagine needing to change the bulb,
In Australia - we'd have to put the fan on the lighting circuit. Nice job from Scott - hopefully he's back on the show now :)
I think you already know by now but Scott left and Heath replaced him. Had something to do with his contract on this show ending. Sorry if that disappoints you
You complain about the holes in the ceiling, I live in Europe, this style of building houses is unthinkable in my country. The houses are made of concrete and solid bricks you need a hammer drill to do this same job in Europe. All wire channels through the concrete should be cuted, and repaired with construction glue or concrete then smoothing and then painting. What a MESS it is guys!!! This holes is a game trust me!
Ah yes that one ignorant European that thinks everything they build is better in some way without considering simple geography these comments give me a good laugh
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I saw this once and when I went to go find it again I never could then just now it pops up on recommend 😑
This video was unlisted for awhile.
Wouldn't a switch and the remote be the best option?
This is a casablanca panama 2 fan you can only have either a wall control intelitouch or a remote control advanced touch.
I'm an electrical contractor. I've never run across a ceiling constructed with slats on top of joists. How lucky there was a pipe with a nice little slot cut for recessed drilling at top plate. And why not use a hole saw for ceiling boxes. Quicker and easier.
Same...seen 1000s of ceiling and never one like that with fishing so simple
Exactly it’s never that easy I work on double board houses that fight me the entire way
Up here in New England almost every house is strapped like that.
Was just thinking the same thing
Was thinking the same thing. Also I’ve been in the electrical trade 23 years. Use a hole saw.
I was really hoping they would show how they patched up that first hole he cut. Maybe get some pointers.
bill smith keep the piece you cut out. Get small strips of wood longer than the hole. Put in back of wall, secure with screws. Put cut out piece back with screws into the new backing wood you just put in. Spackle and paint. Easy.
Simple fix. Use a shallow cut-in box. Put a blank cover on it. Done...As the cost to fix that hole. Is 10x more to repair..
The electrician doesn't do that. It's on her to fix
The fan’s name is Panama
Yes
Kevin should've helped Scott put in the fan blades.
I really enjoy all the this old house videos
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so do you not have to worry about stapling the wire to and joices then?
zach9872 not in a retro fit situation
Is that a casablanca
Yes
Let the wannabe do the work or tell him to sthu.
That's it, I'm having pancakes for breakfast.
If this guy is a master electrician. I can’t believe he dosent use a 4-5” hole saw for cutting holes in drywall. It gives clean perfect holes. And they even make a drillers bowl to catch all the dust when you cut into drywall.
Why 4 or 5”?
@@electricaf365 use a 4” or 5” then fish wires use this as a plug when your done. Ever do it like that?
I wanna know why he didn’t use a saddle box
YES for many years!
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Que estoy es con mi herencia que los compré yo pero nada de menciona le por ningún lados
There is never a day where a fish tape will glide that smoothly through an insulated ceiling cavity
It would be really useful explaining the pros and cons of snaking the fans wire each way and how you think the situation through. Thanks regardless.
no strap on the rafters and no insulation in the ceiling's attic?
Why did Kevin have to attend for? He was just getting in the way and not allowing the homeowner to participate in doing the work.
Nghĩ đến việc của mình nhé a ơi thật tuyệt bfhk8-)8-)
Being apprentice from this guy, Tomy, and all the crew from this old house would be the best job.
Who wants water and nails? ☺️
1:19 to 1:21
Horrible production.
Female followed third, not second.
illuminati confirmed.
Okay I have a problem with this he doesn't explained there's a certain amount of load you can put on one circuit breaker. Meaning how much extra power you going to use to put a fan on that circuit breaker
Because there is an NEC table. In the code book that tells you...And no sane person would use that bulb today. They get hot.....100 watts\120 volts=1 amp, plus the fan motor rating. Which is around 1 amp... So not an issue...
I am sure they have had many uh oh on the worksite with This old House, i sense some cutting of the scenes I wonder if they had any on this episode?
Ok I remember this
Changing that bulb is gonna be a pain
Nice illegal electrical installation. My head is spinning. So many violations. SMH
Where’s that eye protection
How about a pedestal fan. Forget all of that.
"This box comes with a template and I'm gonna trace it out" as he is fucking up hard cord and just using the box would be a lot easier
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100 watt red hot halogen bulb. How 1990's.
Is the reason you ran wire from the loft to avoid drilling each rafter snaking from a switched source downstairs? Good video thanks for sharing with us.
The customer didn't want holes in the wall or ceiling down stairs.
I did the same thing in my bedroom years ago. I replaced the light with a remote controlled ceiling fan. Worked great!
I would rather use a pull chain more than a remote for a ceiling fan.
Please let us know when you are available to join us
Did they test that ceiling? They could have spread asbestos all over the house, no?
DGCDWJ house doesnt look that old. 80s or 90s I'd guess, past the asbestos era.
Lol
Tell her to buy a box fan
this fan is the casablanca panama, the first ever five bladed ceiling fan
I see
Is no one else wondering why there wasn't already a light there on the pitched ceiling or the upstairs ceiling. A new build would have been done during construction before drywall and an old house would of had one installed by now over the last year's. Great video tho!
I'm too busy wondering why they used a fan with a halogen bulb that will require scaffold to replace when it burns out in a year.
4 1/8” hole saw, just saying
i would have replaced the halgen with an led
change the halogen lamp for a led....... and your problems are solved.
Homeowners problem. She wants the light on the fan, she gets to change the bulb.
What kinda fan is that. I got one from home depot it must have a million pieces and wires for the light and fan motor. Like a Chinese puzzle.
Casablanca Panama with Inteli-Touch III remote control
be careful we do not want you falling over
Come on now. taht 100w halogen. This is in 2015? You can get the same lumens, same kelvin, with LED at 15w. Also, halogens burn out quicker and at least 50w is wasted on heat.
There are a lot of ceiling fans inside buildings.
Please let me know when you want to do 🎃 Halloween
The oils on your skin will damage a halogen bulb. I believe that 100 percent. No doubt about that. When I worked at the roller skating rink, I was the facility lighting coordinator and my assistant and I were changing the light bulb in the spotlight for the disco ball. He touched the halogen bulb for the disco ball with the bare hands. At first, the lamp was okay but it later exploded during the hokey pokey. It sounded like gunfire and put the rink into a lockdown and the swat team was dispatched. Skaters went pouring out the fire exits and the whole bit. Instantly put the hokey pokey in the toilet. The hokey pokey was ruined. The on standby rink resource officer yelled into his police radio, "Shots fired!" On and on. Now, this was shortly after the Virginia Tech so, you can only imagine that everyone was on edge. Well, all of this madness was caused by a halogen bulb that had exploded. And, the bulb was touched. So, the mural is, don't touch the bulb. Halogen bulbs are made of quartz, and oils from shin will deform the quartz. When the bulb is in operation, it gets hot. The heat boils the oils. The boiling oil causes the quartz to explode. So, you have to handle the halogen bulb with toilet paper. And, if you accidentally touch the bulb with your pare skin, clean it with rubbing alcohol. If you don't have rubbing alcohol, liquor alcohol can also be used to clean halogen bulbs.
you guys are great,
Lazy, u put the fixture box bcos u cba to patch the ceiling up.
A Casablanca gen 3