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I swear netflix only made it so that people would be like "this is just a worse version of the hunger games... the hunger games were good lets rewatch them..on netflix"
Yeah tbh I wouldn't be surprised if some marketing director noticed that bad movies tend to get a lot of free advertising on youtube and this is essentially cinematic clickbait/ragebait
it would’ve been so easy to follow uncanny beauty, the symmetrical faces, Eurocentric features, lack of expression but no lets get sponsored by Snapchat’s makeup filter
I couldn't help but think about how insane the faces in the short film "Human Form" were. In ten minutes they made a way more compeling story, while perfectly showing the absurdirty of beauty standards.
It's so frustrating that they entirely ignored the eugenics-y phrenological nature of the procedure and what makes a person "pretty" in the books. In the books, they go into each specific feature that different members of society are given to affect the "subconscious" ways others view them. They justify it by saying it's all based on science and this is why they are better than their predecessors. Also, it is explicitly said on multiple occasions in the books that the procedure makes everyone the same skin tone that is a nearly perfect middle of all human skin colors (so no one is super pale, no one is super dark, everyone is a sort of middle tan). This faulty "science" being used to justify eugenics and utilitarian power is gradually dismantled throughout the books through the eyes of Tally. I always worried that an adaptation would be near impossible due to this among other factors and this movie has proven that right.
The books were amazing! I always thought they would make great movies, but you have to keep the nuance! Especially disappointed with how the specials just looked regular 😢
@@ImARealCat Exactly! I have a lot of problems with this adaptation beyond just the visuals, but it would have been so neat if they'd really leaned into making the pretties uncannily unnaturally beautiful and the specials that terrifying beauty that makes your skin crawl with ice. A combination of practical effects makeup and CGI absolutely could have achieved this. The specials need to look unnatural and unnerving, not just like some chad with contact lenses.
Yuppp. I always thought it was interesting that there were other, much more unusual beauty standards for specific groups, like the Specials. The Specials are designed to look more frightening (in addition to their increased strength and stuff) since that makes them a more intimidating police force.
I do understand that the point of the movie is that Beauty standards are arbitrary and change over time, and that in this distant future, what we consider to be beautiful today isn't beautiful anymore. But like... the Pretties look beautiful by 2020s standards. they fit OUR standards. The book made a big point of describing them in ways we'd find weird today. The theme doesnt work unless they look DISTINCTLY different from the uglies.
I'm reminded of an old black-and-white episode of "The Outer Limits". There was a woman who was born with a disfigured face, which was concealed for most of the episode. The faces of the attending doctors and nurses were obscured by shadows. At the end of the episode, it was revealed that the main character looked like a beautiful woman, and everybody else had saggy, pig-like faces.
I KNOW I was looking forward to seeing how creatively they could interpret the book but it’s like they purposefully ignored the most interesting parts of the book
It's been years since I read the book (2009 or 2010 back in primary school). The main thing I remember is David telling Tally that she's not ugly and is actually attractive and I think Tally is the one who's harsh on her appearance but her flaws are all normal things. Side note, I remember at the start of pretties, Tally gets injured and it leaves a small scar even as a pretty. And I feel like she had red hair or the cover of the book had red hair.
And I get the sinking suspicion that the social commentary that is played for a joke in Cars about sponsorship and celebrity culture is much more interesting than in this movie lol
its a shame because i remember enjoying this series when i read it as a kid. pretty sure the 'uglies' are supposed to be normal people like us, their society has just gotten to a point where even todays beauty standards aren't enough. 'pretties' were described as being beyond comprehension in their beauty iirc
I read the series while working as an assistant at a school library. I thought it was pretty interesting, and liked that it considered some important themes, especially for its audience. From the video responses I’ve seen (I’m not watching the movie, hah), the adaptation barely follows the plot of the book, like a weird fan fiction vaguely based on the characters and world. Oh well! Glad you enjoyed the books!
I know that Hollywood typically fucks up YA book -> movie adaptations, but this is egregious. I read this series throughout middle school as they were coming out and loved them! A key note is that they were coming out on the front end of the dystopian YA lit bubble, so while the genre is a bit played out after a couple of decades, the concept of Uglies was novel at the time.
With the point of the uglies not being ugly, instead of changing those actors they should have turned the uncanny beauty of the pretties up to 11. The casting director was right about one of the themes of the book being that the uglies aren’t actually ugly, but the lack of contrast kills the theme.
Oh yeah give me some of that teen lesbian tension. When i reread the Hunger games i also had the impression Madge had a thing for Katniss but i bet the director realized this and removed Madge from the movie... good look trying to adapt who gave Katniss the mockingjay pin bc it sure will be a prominent topic in the upcoming THG book
I remember reading this book series when I was younger and I know there's a whole thing of "movies based on books are worse!" but I really think that this book series was better as a book series and shouldn't have been adapted. The concept of "it'll never be enough" and "don't judge others for looking different" really sits better when the reader can imagine their own perceived "flaws" onto the main character instead of being shown a character that they have no tie to and may not have the same "flaws" as the viewer
You're onto something because Tally/Shay drives the book plot through Specials (3rd out of 4 books, 4th book is a later timeline different characters) but the David part is extremely vital plot-wise. It's not wlw though, or if so one-directional. Don't watch the movies
Could you say the book was beautiful and the movie was....not beautiful? Almost as if it was, dare I say...disgusting? No...the fuck was that word I'm looking for... Fuck!
here in parkour civilization, no one chooses to jump for the beef. it's better to be safe and do the one block jump for the chicken rather than risk your entire life.
Honestly I was kinda blindsided by Shay not being part of the very-obviously-set-up love triangle, like "ok, so the contrasting love interests are Nose and Shay, pretty standard character archetypes but neat to see some queer rep- wait, she's not a love interest?"
i think in the book, the necklace is destroyed by like. a rock. which is at least slightly more reasonable. also the way they take the cure is DEFINITELY not in the book, i think they just know someone who figures out the formula. i read it in middle school & am in my late twenties now, so who knows. i just remember that 90% of the reason i read the trilogy because it felt like tally & shay had some sort of red string of fate thing going on where they were constantly forced on opposite sides just by virtue of the politics of the world around them. baby's first tragic lesbian romance. i DO remember tally being like, incredibly desperate about being pretty in the book. like it felt like she thought her life was over because she couldn't get the surgery
Fairly Odd Parents tore this idea apart years ago - Timmy wishes for everyone to be identical grey blobs, but then they are still bullying each other for not being "As" grey or blobby as the in-crowd. Even if everyone is identical, they'll FIND things to be shit about.
he means its not that hard to get actors in their early 20s that look like teens. no one expects actual teenagers playing teenagers, just for them not to look 35
I met Orr irl He stole my bf and broke both my kneecaps then he proceeded to emote on my screaming husk of a body.. 10/10 experience will recommend 👍💯🔥
Laverne Cox's performance was by far the best part if this entire dumpster fire. I would love to see her in similar roles that are actually well written, she would be an iconic villain.
Why the hunks always have stupid names 😭 Peeta and Gale are passable, they’re sorta cute. But Four? Nose? Like wtf what happened to Matthew, Johnny, I’d even take a Chad 😭 Shoutout to the immortal instruments for breaking the generational trauma, everyone’s got normal and/or cool names there
well weird names are meant to communicate the teen dystopia thing, to show the differences in their society and ours. in the books, david is a weird name to them
@@_edenfalls I mean, that's a good explanation, but no one forced these authors to name their hunks "Four" and "Nose" 😭 They could have cool different names. Katniss, Effie and Haymitch are cool and sorta weird names that don't really sound like any modern culture. Yet I think naming a character, and a lead at that, something downright stupid takes away from the suspension of disbelief, makes it hard to take the character and story seriously.
i will NEVER EVER stop YAPPING and DROOLING over his cardboard backgrounds, honestly they make me SO happy, super creative and cute. id love to watch a show with shit like that. May actually make a project using those kinds of cardboard backgrounds since I think theyre so cool!
I feel like being good at everything with very little explanation is just the chosen one trope, which usually has to do with Jungian/Campbellian reasons. It’s just that these movies don’t do much else with that framework beyond a very basic hero’s journey. Which isn’t necessarily the worst thing. Stories can be simple. I think there is a lot to be desired in execution though. At least in the movies. Usually books are better at this.
Exactly a good movie doesn't have to be over complicated but these dull movies these streaming platforms(especially Netflix) keep releasing are just to mediocre.
ayy knew that this would be about Uglies as soon as I got the notification; my dad got me to watch this with him and once he fell asleep i didn’t bother to finish it, wasn’t different or interesting enough to care, all it had was a couple pretty scenes tbh. definitely a ‘screensaver’ movie
26:16 You clearly didn't take classes on how to treat deep wounds in middle school. It's also pretty safe to say that you also skipped the classes on free-soloing huge mountains.
Random comment but I just have to shout out my fav horrible ADR over a crowd scene EVER, which also just happens to be a teen dystopian, and that's in episode one of the 100 when Octavia runs forward and someone shouts clear as a bell "that's the girl they found in the floor!" Thank you for the exposition random bystander lmao.
It's absolute lunacy someone developed this script, Netflix approved it, people filmed it and they all looked at the premise and said "yes, good, this is great" at every point of the process
i mean stories are either in medias res meaning they start in the past, or they're not, meaning they start in the present - a lot of stories begin with the first thing happening rather than "(record scratch) yup that's me"
Listening to A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, and goddamn- It's making me appreciate the hunger games so much more, and how none of the other "teen dystopias" was nearly as good.
I didn’t know there was going to be a new Hunger Games book next year until a few days ago and legit got excited as a nearly 40 year old man. Hunger Games was definitely the best of all these. Maze Runner is a close second though. Then a GIANT PRECIPICE to all the rest of them.
My favorite book series growing up and I hope that a movie being made means that people will Not watch it and will instead read the book series. If they're young because adults won't digest it as well. This series was formative for me and my interests. It turned me into a nerd before it was socially acceptable to be one. I also own the supplemental book by Scott Westerfeld detailing how he based food tech (in Extras) and nanobots and all of the worldbuilding aspects on the tech and research of [a couple decades ago].
Oh my God I forgot about the extra book! I've still got them all somewhere! I remember when Hunger Games movies came out and thinking "damn that could have been us". No hate to Hunger Games, haven't seen the films but the books were great! It's annoying that they didn't do a better job with the Uglies film considering the novels came out before Hunger Games did - but the comparison is inevitable in the genre tbh. I'm basically saying a lot of nothing. I just loved the series
The fact that they seemingly rebel because they are treated worse for being ugly when all of them can literally wait like 1 year and get a free surgery to solve the dividing issue of the distopia is what gets me.
The point of the book series is to highllight how beauty standards are arbitrary, and keeps changing. It's a critique of social media, model industries and body image. It's a world that doesn't care about diversity or identity. The rebellion is not "wah, we are ugly and no one loves us" but "we don't want a world where everyone is forced into one mold by eugenic mindsets."
I'm an indie self-published author and stories like me upset me so damn much. Like sure I would love to have work adapted, but like it just feels like no one cared about the story and only cared about the money. Can we start writing movies for the story PLEASE?
as someone who read and enjoyed the books as a teen i hate this stupid movie so much because the book actually had something to say and the movie couldn't have been made by anyone who cared less about the source material
this movie is talking about people only a year older than i am.. why dont i look like them? do i need to wait one year before i magically transform into joey king?
Orr i wanna say i absolutely love your videos and hearing Sleeping on Trains at the end of your videos is an absolute treat every time, but i do wonder just how many of your fans know that James made that song
What great dystopian stories portrait well and very realistic is how they show the hierarchy and how the higher ups are not brainwashed, but incredibly intelligent and aware of the situation. 1984 and A brave new world.
the original trilogy goes uglies -> pretties -> specials, where tally becomes increasingly coopted by the government's promises of easy beauty and turned into something that's less and less of a person - the specials have crazy tiger fangs and stuff but they're also very much the government's pet special force to take down resistance. then there was a fourth book "extras" where we see an even future-er future which addresses like a nosedive from black mirror kind of thing where the main character is trying to gain subscribers from livestreaming, as does everyone on the planet, to move up the social rankings, and she meets tally who's now like 30 and still a special. it was an interesting take on how trying to take out the system from the inside can sometimes... make you the system, and even when the old is destroyed, what comes next might not be any better
@@SpoopySquid Anime usually come out as almost a 1 to 1 copy of the manga honestly. Anime fans are actually quite lucky when it comes to adaptations. Of course there's always some bad ones, though.. like Berserk, or the animation in So I'm a Spider, so What? being ruined because whatever company the studio outsourced to clearly scammed them. Or the recent Blue Lock situation, or what they did to poor, poor Promised Neverland season 2. And Uzumaki got screwed over too... off the top of my head these are all the screwed up adaptations I can think of but I'm sure there's more.
my mother told me about this movie and the first thing i said was that it was literally the plot of the uglydolls movie. like exactly. despite having a soft spot for the uglydolls movie i did not, in fact, watch this one.
Raise your hand if you have personally been victimized by the film industry because they destroy X, Y, Z from your childhood? I wish movie making companies would stop taking book series and ruining them. Do they not have original thoughts over in Hollywood anymore? (I understand that some game series and comic books have also probably been ruined, but I don't know enough to be sure.)
Its wild that i still don't really get why they're rebelling. Like... what is the actual problem with the pretty side? Vague reversalble brain damage that doesn't affect memory (since everyone still remembers their 'ugly' friends after yaasification)? Maybe I'll check out the book since it apparently does it well.
The book series is amazing, re-read it after reading it when I was 13, now 22. Still just as captivated by it and read each book in one night 😅. it sets up some really nice mysteries without being so godamn obvious, has some nice payoffs. Crying shame what they did to it. Specials (third one, technically not the end of the series, but the main story ends there) has to be my favourite book of all time still. Would recommend it highly.
i didn't read this series when it came out because i was such a hipster ass tween i was like "lol that's dumb why would i read a whole book series when there's a Twilight Zone episode that does it better in 20 minutes" in hindsight its a miracle i was never wedgied by my peers
It's as if everyone on the internet has forgotten McG was quite a famous director back in the day, with both Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle and Terminator: Salvation under his belt.
I might be a little bit older than the usual demographic here, but Uglies was at least popular before Hunger Games if not totally out first, and my friends and I were obsessed with the series in middle school. I read it over and over and over. From my memory much better than Hunger Games (to be fair I haven’t read either in probably 15 years.) It’s such a bummer they wrecked an amazing book with this movie.
So they wanted a movie about unattractive characters...so they picked Joey King who's been considered one of the cutest actresses in Hollywood for about 7 or 8 years now.
The book was definitely still corny but it also was obviously much better than this adaptation makes it seem. It definitely doesnt hold all the way up, but the movie really made an already corny thing all the way into a corndog. This video actually perfectly encapsulated why i hated the movie, as someone who has read the book.
i in fact LOVED the books as a kid and now i'm questioning if they were actually any good lol bc aside from no one being ugly it's pretty faithful to the plot
24:46 I figured they were gonna do the whole “I vouched for you 😢” bit but my god I don’t think I’ve ever seen such on the nose writing as shoehorning in an “I vouched for her” line lmao
I love how this movie does kinda say "actually we should give people brain surgery and remove their personality". I really hoped we wouldn't get to this level of stupid, but here we are.
Not me sitting here thinking they have to complete a super dangerous, high stakes "operation" in order to earn a right to a different life... but you literally meant surgery :D I haven't watched this movie, but maybe the guy is a reference to Michelangelo's "David" as a token of youthful strength and beauty.
I've watched 3 minutes of this video, figured that this one will be stupidly perfect to watch, watched it and came back here to hear if you had the same thoughts as I. what a ride that move was! I read what happened in other books and oh my I really hope for part 2 cause it'd be even more hilarious
I remember reading this book a long long time ago, I completely forgot about it but this video just made me remember everything. There is another movie based off this book, its not named uglies, and its got a different video style, I don't know when or where I saw it but there is another movie out there. In the other movie, they lived in the 2000's based futuristic houses, and before they left the house each day they had to get injections that made it so they couldn't do something or think something ????????? I don't remember. but in this movie one of the children tricked the injection machine by using an apple instead, and she had an epiphany about the standards of life? This could have all been a dream of mine. Anyways, good video
im remembering more now. this movie definitely was real. there was a weird old man with a library and the girl who went to go rat on the other kids had to swim through a river and camp on the other end of it, and kept having to hide from helicopters???
STOP i read this book in grade 7, 2012. I've always been a "the book is better than the movie" girly for years but really only would mention it if it was brought up in discussion like movie vs book. THEY LOST THE VIBE IN THIS SM LIKE WHAT???? I remember watching skins (uk obvs) and feeling seen by Jal (legit a teen playing a teen, and a black woman) because she had acne!!!! and it wasn't a "plot line" in the show or mentioned at all. How they gon have a 32 year old play a teen?
I read all the books, unfortunately this is exactly how I remember it happening and I didn't like them for these reasons but maybe the movies will make it better idk
This made me so sad bc the book is sooo good but the movie is genuinely so bad it misses all the important parts of the book and the pacing is off and it erased all the tension the book created
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Will check it out, seems like a very neat tool
You do know this show is incredibly faithful to the book....lol
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I swear netflix only made it so that people would be like "this is just a worse version of the hunger games... the hunger games were good lets rewatch them..on netflix"
Oh my god you're a genius
Based on Netflix’s business model as of late, I 100% could see this being the case…
That might be true if The Hunger Games was actually on Netflix.
@@stretchmonsterDepends where you live
Yeah tbh I wouldn't be surprised if some marketing director noticed that bad movies tend to get a lot of free advertising on youtube and this is essentially cinematic clickbait/ragebait
it would’ve been so easy to follow uncanny beauty, the symmetrical faces, Eurocentric features, lack of expression but no lets get sponsored by Snapchat’s makeup filter
I couldn't help but think about how insane the faces in the short film "Human Form" were. In ten minutes they made a way more compeling story, while perfectly showing the absurdirty of beauty standards.
That's the 2010s standard
@@thecolourfulpill Cassandra from Doctor Who shows the concept of 'pursuit of beauty gone too far' so well
It's so frustrating that they entirely ignored the eugenics-y phrenological nature of the procedure and what makes a person "pretty" in the books. In the books, they go into each specific feature that different members of society are given to affect the "subconscious" ways others view them. They justify it by saying it's all based on science and this is why they are better than their predecessors. Also, it is explicitly said on multiple occasions in the books that the procedure makes everyone the same skin tone that is a nearly perfect middle of all human skin colors (so no one is super pale, no one is super dark, everyone is a sort of middle tan). This faulty "science" being used to justify eugenics and utilitarian power is gradually dismantled throughout the books through the eyes of Tally. I always worried that an adaptation would be near impossible due to this among other factors and this movie has proven that right.
The books were amazing! I always thought they would make great movies, but you have to keep the nuance! Especially disappointed with how the specials just looked regular 😢
@@ImARealCat Exactly! I have a lot of problems with this adaptation beyond just the visuals, but it would have been so neat if they'd really leaned into making the pretties uncannily unnaturally beautiful and the specials that terrifying beauty that makes your skin crawl with ice. A combination of practical effects makeup and CGI absolutely could have achieved this. The specials need to look unnatural and unnerving, not just like some chad with contact lenses.
Yuppp. I always thought it was interesting that there were other, much more unusual beauty standards for specific groups, like the Specials. The Specials are designed to look more frightening (in addition to their increased strength and stuff) since that makes them a more intimidating police force.
Y’know I always hopes Westerfelds books got some movies until this happened, now I’m really worried about what could happen
I do understand that the point of the movie is that Beauty standards are arbitrary and change over time, and that in this distant future, what we consider to be beautiful today isn't beautiful anymore. But like... the Pretties look beautiful by 2020s standards. they fit OUR standards. The book made a big point of describing them in ways we'd find weird today. The theme doesnt work unless they look DISTINCTLY different from the uglies.
I'm reminded of an old black-and-white episode of "The Outer Limits".
There was a woman who was born with a disfigured face, which was concealed for most of the episode. The faces of the attending doctors and nurses were obscured by shadows. At the end of the episode, it was revealed that the main character looked like a beautiful woman, and everybody else had saggy, pig-like faces.
@@drewgoin8849 you're thinking of the Twilight Zone, actually, but still was a good episode with a good backstory
I KNOW I was looking forward to seeing how creatively they could interpret the book but it’s like they purposefully ignored the most interesting parts of the book
It's been years since I read the book (2009 or 2010 back in primary school). The main thing I remember is David telling Tally that she's not ugly and is actually attractive and I think Tally is the one who's harsh on her appearance but her flaws are all normal things.
Side note, I remember at the start of pretties, Tally gets injured and it leaves a small scar even as a pretty. And I feel like she had red hair or the cover of the book had red hair.
@@fadeuhhway yes! “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” good episode… much better executed than this movie lol
"Rusties" made me laugh really hard because it just sounds like Rusteez, the sponsor of famed racing car Lightning McQueen.
I too thought of cars when they said that
Same universe.
@@aj7058 Before or after Cars?
@@williamcrandall beforeafter it’s cyclical
And I get the sinking suspicion that the social commentary that is played for a joke in Cars about sponsorship and celebrity culture is much more interesting than in this movie lol
its a shame because i remember enjoying this series when i read it as a kid. pretty sure the 'uglies' are supposed to be normal people like us, their society has just gotten to a point where even todays beauty standards aren't enough. 'pretties' were described as being beyond comprehension in their beauty iirc
I read the series while working as an assistant at a school library. I thought it was pretty interesting, and liked that it considered some important themes, especially for its audience. From the video responses I’ve seen (I’m not watching the movie, hah), the adaptation barely follows the plot of the book, like a weird fan fiction vaguely based on the characters and world. Oh well! Glad you enjoyed the books!
I know that Hollywood typically fucks up YA book -> movie adaptations, but this is egregious. I read this series throughout middle school as they were coming out and loved them! A key note is that they were coming out on the front end of the dystopian YA lit bubble, so while the genre is a bit played out after a couple of decades, the concept of Uglies was novel at the time.
With the point of the uglies not being ugly, instead of changing those actors they should have turned the uncanny beauty of the pretties up to 11. The casting director was right about one of the themes of the book being that the uglies aren’t actually ugly, but the lack of contrast kills the theme.
"*dramatic pause* I'm David." Is totally giving the "I am Steve" from the Minecraft movie trailer
Ah yes, there's no history or stereotypes that could make focusing on a character's ugly nose feel charged or problematic in any way...nope...
The whole book is about this, go read it!
What are referencing? I'm lost 😅
@@awkwardotter13 Jews having crook noses is a big stereotype in antisemetic circles, and they love depicting them with exaggeratedly ugly noses.
@@awkwardotter13antisemitism
would you say the same for "squint" or is just a big nose problematic? sincerely, a heavily-bullied big-nosed not-Jewish person
The love triangle with David feels so forced, Shay actually seems like she's deeply in love with Tally
That’s how I felt when revisiting the books as an adult
Oh yeah give me some of that teen lesbian tension. When i reread the Hunger games i also had the impression Madge had a thing for Katniss but i bet the director realized this and removed Madge from the movie... good look trying to adapt who gave Katniss the mockingjay pin bc it sure will be a prominent topic in the upcoming THG book
"my story today... began in the past"??? what in the ChatGPT?
nah bro our ai overlords arent that braindead...maybe we should be pushing for chatgpt dialogue instead :D
i mean a story can begin in the past but be ongoing today that's fine that's a thing that happens
I remember reading this book series when I was younger and I know there's a whole thing of "movies based on books are worse!" but I really think that this book series was better as a book series and shouldn't have been adapted. The concept of "it'll never be enough" and "don't judge others for looking different" really sits better when the reader can imagine their own perceived "flaws" onto the main character instead of being shown a character that they have no tie to and may not have the same "flaws" as the viewer
I still think the movie should've been a wlw between tally and shay. I think id be more tolerable than what was forced with David 🙁
You're onto something because Tally/Shay drives the book plot through Specials (3rd out of 4 books, 4th book is a later timeline different characters) but the David part is extremely vital plot-wise. It's not wlw though, or if so one-directional. Don't watch the movies
REAL I was thinking the exact same thing when reading the book. If you haven’t read it, I’d recommend it:3
Me tooooo! I hated how forced Tally and David’s relationship was 😭
1000%
i expected that 😢
God, this makes me so sad. This was a great, great book series. It was genuinely creative and unique!! But the movie did it DIRTY
"genuinely"
Could you say the book was beautiful and the movie was....not beautiful? Almost as if it was, dare I say...disgusting? No...the fuck was that word I'm looking for...
Fuck!
@@ThootenTootinTabootin””genuinely””
The premises of these dystopias just keep getting sillier. What's next, a civilization revolving around how good you are at parkour?
Don't give Netflix any ideas
ironically, parkour civilization has a much more intriguing plot line and better storytelling than most netflix movies
funnily enough, that's pretty much the premise of Divergent
here in parkour civilization, no one chooses to jump for the beef. it's better to be safe and do the one block jump for the chicken rather than risk your entire life.
@@sockjok_animations1638That was my thought. Their entire civilization was basically taken over because one faction was really good at parkour.
tally x shay has tragic yuri potential
exactly
Honestly I was kinda blindsided by Shay not being part of the very-obviously-set-up love triangle, like "ok, so the contrasting love interests are Nose and Shay, pretty standard character archetypes but neat to see some queer rep- wait, she's not a love interest?"
Im pretty sure this was literally the plot of a Twilight Zone episode. Except that story had actual tension and a chilling dystopian ending.
It's a 4 book series about a revolution within a dystopia, I think it gets more in depth than a twilight zone ep
@@nari5161 The book series might but a 2-3hr live action movie can easily be less deep than a twilight zone episode, or a 4 book series.
@@midnight4685 I think the book idea came from the Twilight Zone episode. Esp since the pig mask Tally picks up in book 1 is a direct reference to it
i think in the book, the necklace is destroyed by like. a rock. which is at least slightly more reasonable. also the way they take the cure is DEFINITELY not in the book, i think they just know someone who figures out the formula. i read it in middle school & am in my late twenties now, so who knows. i just remember that 90% of the reason i read the trilogy because it felt like tally & shay had some sort of red string of fate thing going on where they were constantly forced on opposite sides just by virtue of the politics of the world around them. baby's first tragic lesbian romance. i DO remember tally being like, incredibly desperate about being pretty in the book. like it felt like she thought her life was over because she couldn't get the surgery
Fairly Odd Parents tore this idea apart years ago - Timmy wishes for everyone to be identical grey blobs, but then they are still bullying each other for not being "As" grey or blobby as the in-crowd. Even if everyone is identical, they'll FIND things to be shit about.
Exactly. To begin with we're already an incredibly homogenous species. And we still find ways to hate each other.
"My story begins in the past." Such a refreshing change from all those other stories that start in the future.
..in all fairness, stories that start in the future are often the best stories out there. The mind bending time shenanigans always go hard
They don't use actual teens bc they don't want to deal with child labor laws lmao
he means its not that hard to get actors in their early 20s that look like teens. no one expects actual teenagers playing teenagers, just for them not to look 35
I met Orr irl
He stole my bf and broke both my kneecaps then he proceeded to emote on my screaming husk of a body..
10/10 experience will recommend 👍💯🔥
omg how do I make this happen to me!??!?!
@hyunjinsanity I manifested him by watching a Trisha paytas podcast
evil pinely would never do this, unless he's in front of a worse backdrop
i think you met evil pinely, orrs evil twin brother
did you live?
I always forget that people outside the KPop community were also subjected to the horrors of Oli London 😭😭😭
Me: "Oh, a Pinely upload."
Friend: "THE Pinely?"
Count Pinely
this is like the hundredth uglies video I've watched and i still get entertained every single time
I haven’t even watched the movie and don’t plant to, but keep watching the videos about it lol
@@mayrasouza1555sometimes i think im stupid for watching movie reviews om movies I'll never watch, glad I'm not the only one who does this😂
me because i have autism
Laverne Cox's performance was by far the best part if this entire dumpster fire. I would love to see her in similar roles that are actually well written, she would be an iconic villain.
She’s so so good in literally everything she’s in
Why the hunks always have stupid names 😭
Peeta and Gale are passable, they’re sorta cute. But Four? Nose? Like wtf what happened to Matthew, Johnny, I’d even take a Chad 😭
Shoutout to the immortal instruments for breaking the generational trauma, everyone’s got normal and/or cool names there
well weird names are meant to communicate the teen dystopia thing, to show the differences in their society and ours. in the books, david is a weird name to them
@@_edenfalls I mean, that's a good explanation, but no one forced these authors to name their hunks "Four" and "Nose" 😭
They could have cool different names. Katniss, Effie and Haymitch are cool and sorta weird names that don't really sound like any modern culture. Yet I think naming a character, and a lead at that, something downright stupid takes away from the suspension of disbelief, makes it hard to take the character and story seriously.
13:05 the joke is that in a movie full of teenagers in their late 20s, Pinely's supposed 'grandmother' does not look much older than that.
Makes me feel old. 😂
I'm so distracted by your library book titles.
_"I was a work shy city train"_ ?
In particular is mesmerising.
i read it as "i want a more uniform train"
Perhaps purchases for his video on Amazon's AI-written books?
i will NEVER EVER stop YAPPING and DROOLING over his cardboard backgrounds, honestly they make me SO happy, super creative and cute. id love to watch a show with shit like that. May actually make a project using those kinds of cardboard backgrounds since I think theyre so cool!
this was actually a book that was before hunger games
The book was quite good tbh
You couldn’t wait 56 second of the video
most of the people watching these films didnt even know they were books and if they did it was justa quick look on wikipedia
I feel like being good at everything with very little explanation is just the chosen one trope, which usually has to do with Jungian/Campbellian reasons. It’s just that these movies don’t do much else with that framework beyond a very basic hero’s journey. Which isn’t necessarily the worst thing. Stories can be simple. I think there is a lot to be desired in execution though. At least in the movies. Usually books are better at this.
Exactly a good movie doesn't have to be over complicated but these dull movies these streaming platforms(especially Netflix) keep releasing are just to mediocre.
a poorly done chosen one trope, paul atreides anakin/luke skywalker all do it well more so anakin and paul though
"Uglies", unlike "Alien Cake", is no masterpiece.
ayy knew that this would be about Uglies as soon as I got the notification; my dad got me to watch this with him and once he fell asleep i didn’t bother to finish it, wasn’t different or interesting enough to care, all it had was a couple pretty scenes tbh. definitely a ‘screensaver’ movie
I like that expression!
This concept is just "what if South Korea was real"
the implication here that south Korea isn't real....????
@@themischief420South Korea is a societal concept, hope that helps
The cgi in this movie is giving spy kids
im so early, i have watched like 10 videos of uglies but ill eat it up every time, especially from pinely
Alex Meyers, Elvis, art at midnight's video,...
Where can I get my Pine Library card from?
26:16 You clearly didn't take classes on how to treat deep wounds in middle school. It's also pretty safe to say that you also skipped the classes on free-soloing huge mountains.
Random comment but I just have to shout out my fav horrible ADR over a crowd scene EVER, which also just happens to be a teen dystopian, and that's in episode one of the 100 when Octavia runs forward and someone shouts clear as a bell "that's the girl they found in the floor!" Thank you for the exposition random bystander lmao.
It's absolute lunacy someone developed this script, Netflix approved it, people filmed it and they all looked at the premise and said "yes, good, this is great" at every point of the process
“This story starts… in the past”. Yeah no sh!t! That’s how stories work though.
Lines like that are how you know you're in for a good time
i mean stories are either in medias res meaning they start in the past, or they're not, meaning they start in the present - a lot of stories begin with the first thing happening rather than "(record scratch) yup that's me"
Listening to A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, and goddamn- It's making me appreciate the hunger games so much more, and how none of the other "teen dystopias" was nearly as good.
Tribute nation lesgooo
I didn’t know there was going to be a new Hunger Games book next year until a few days ago and legit got excited as a nearly 40 year old man. Hunger Games was definitely the best of all these. Maze Runner is a close second though. Then a GIANT PRECIPICE to all the rest of them.
Man. McG's directing career has really gone downhill since directing Smash Mouth's All Star music video
it's okay Scott westerfeld fans. we're getting a leviathan anime and we just have to pray it's good
It’s literally like the joke about the teen dystopia where dental hygiene is banned but beauty
Complete with a toothbrush pill!
My favorite book series growing up and I hope that a movie being made means that people will Not watch it and will instead read the book series. If they're young because adults won't digest it as well. This series was formative for me and my interests. It turned me into a nerd before it was socially acceptable to be one. I also own the supplemental book by Scott Westerfeld detailing how he based food tech (in Extras) and nanobots and all of the worldbuilding aspects on the tech and research of [a couple decades ago].
Oh my God I forgot about the extra book! I've still got them all somewhere!
I remember when Hunger Games movies came out and thinking "damn that could have been us".
No hate to Hunger Games, haven't seen the films but the books were great!
It's annoying that they didn't do a better job with the Uglies film considering the novels came out before Hunger Games did - but the comparison is inevitable in the genre tbh.
I'm basically saying a lot of nothing. I just loved the series
I thought this was Evil Pinely but then I realized it was just Pinely and the real evil is Pinely’s grandma
The fact that they seemingly rebel because they are treated worse for being ugly when all of them can literally wait like 1 year and get a free surgery to solve the dividing issue of the distopia is what gets me.
The point of the book series is to highllight how beauty standards are arbitrary, and keeps changing. It's a critique of social media, model industries and body image. It's a world that doesn't care about diversity or identity.
The rebellion is not "wah, we are ugly and no one loves us" but "we don't want a world where everyone is forced into one mold by eugenic mindsets."
@Peregrina well, the synopsis of the movie based on that book sure did lose something in translation
I'm an indie self-published author and stories like me upset me so damn much. Like sure I would love to have work adapted, but like it just feels like no one cared about the story and only cared about the money. Can we start writing movies for the story PLEASE?
as someone who read and enjoyed the books as a teen i hate this stupid movie so much because the book actually had something to say and the movie couldn't have been made by anyone who cared less about the source material
Omfg the cooking mama sounds effects xD
Laverne Cox is such an icon. Her performance is the movie's only redeeming quality
this movie is talking about people only a year older than i am.. why dont i look like them? do i need to wait one year before i magically transform into joey king?
Orr i wanna say i absolutely love your videos and hearing Sleeping on Trains at the end of your videos is an absolute treat every time, but i do wonder just how many of your fans know that James made that song
5:24 idk think about how much is spent in travel alone when it comes to plastic surgery
19:33 its also mirrored 💀💀 great job editors ya fucked it
So they don't get auto copyright claimed
Okay I need you to do reviews like this for every movie ever. I feel like I've seen this movie minute by minute
What great dystopian stories portrait well and very realistic is how they show the hierarchy and how the higher ups are not brainwashed, but incredibly intelligent and aware of the situation.
1984 and A brave new world.
3 sec in and I liked already bc man this intro... ah, Pinely, my love (in a kind of parasocial but very platonic way)
I read the books in 8th grade and loved it. I looked at the poster for the movie and immediately got sad that it was gonna suck
the original trilogy goes uglies -> pretties -> specials, where tally becomes increasingly coopted by the government's promises of easy beauty and turned into something that's less and less of a person - the specials have crazy tiger fangs and stuff but they're also very much the government's pet special force to take down resistance. then there was a fourth book "extras" where we see an even future-er future which addresses like a nosedive from black mirror kind of thing where the main character is trying to gain subscribers from livestreaming, as does everyone on the planet, to move up the social rankings, and she meets tally who's now like 30 and still a special. it was an interesting take on how trying to take out the system from the inside can sometimes... make you the system, and even when the old is destroyed, what comes next might not be any better
I love that in the heist bit the wife also wears a ski mask for absolutely no reason
Ruffle shirt Pinely is making me Feel Things.
Also having the shallow, pro-conformity, looks-obsessed leader be played by a trans woman was. A choice.
but the books were so good, i re-read them a lot as a teenager :( slander from Netflix
Anime fans: First time?
@@SpoopySquid Anime usually come out as almost a 1 to 1 copy of the manga honestly. Anime fans are actually quite lucky when it comes to adaptations.
Of course there's always some bad ones, though.. like Berserk, or the animation in So I'm a Spider, so What? being ruined because whatever company the studio outsourced to clearly scammed them. Or the recent Blue Lock situation, or what they did to poor, poor Promised Neverland season 2.
And Uzumaki got screwed over too... off the top of my head these are all the screwed up adaptations I can think of but I'm sure there's more.
i stopped listening to fiona apple for this 😇 (very excited)
High praise ❤
Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Wait, the same McG that worked on Supernatural??? That's wild
"my story today, starts in the past"
YEAH NO DUH, THAT'S HOW STORIES USUALLY WORK.
Subscribed, gotta make memaw proud!
I really thought I was already subscribed since I been watching your stuff a bit. Almost wonder if it unsubbed me.
my mother told me about this movie and the first thing i said was that it was literally the plot of the uglydolls movie. like exactly. despite having a soft spot for the uglydolls movie i did not, in fact, watch this one.
The Uglydolls movie rules unironically
Raise your hand if you have personally been victimized by the film industry because they destroy X, Y, Z from your childhood?
I wish movie making companies would stop taking book series and ruining them. Do they not have original thoughts over in Hollywood anymore? (I understand that some game series and comic books have also probably been ruined, but I don't know enough to be sure.)
Its wild that i still don't really get why they're rebelling. Like... what is the actual problem with the pretty side? Vague reversalble brain damage that doesn't affect memory (since everyone still remembers their 'ugly' friends after yaasification)? Maybe I'll check out the book since it apparently does it well.
The book series is amazing, re-read it after reading it when I was 13, now 22. Still just as captivated by it and read each book in one night 😅. it sets up some really nice mysteries without being so godamn obvious, has some nice payoffs. Crying shame what they did to it. Specials (third one, technically not the end of the series, but the main story ends there) has to be my favourite book of all time still. Would recommend it highly.
i didn't read this series when it came out because i was such a hipster ass tween i was like "lol that's dumb why would i read a whole book series when there's a Twilight Zone episode that does it better in 20 minutes"
in hindsight its a miracle i was never wedgied by my peers
It's as if everyone on the internet has forgotten McG was quite a famous director back in the day, with both Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle and Terminator: Salvation under his belt.
aww his top is slaying
I might be a little bit older than the usual demographic here, but Uglies was at least popular before Hunger Games if not totally out first, and my friends and I were obsessed with the series in middle school. I read it over and over and over. From my memory much better than Hunger Games (to be fair I haven’t read either in probably 15 years.) It’s such a bummer they wrecked an amazing book with this movie.
im sorry but the hunger games writing and plot beats uglies by miles, uglies just happened to be published earlier
So they wanted a movie about unattractive characters...so they picked Joey King who's been considered one of the cutest actresses in Hollywood for about 7 or 8 years now.
The Uglies was an option for assigned summer reading going into 8th grade in my school district and I hate to say I chose it
The book was definitely still corny but it also was obviously much better than this adaptation makes it seem. It definitely doesnt hold all the way up, but the movie really made an already corny thing all the way into a corndog. This video actually perfectly encapsulated why i hated the movie, as someone who has read the book.
Idk if the backgrounds are new or what but they add to the video so much!!!
6:47 adskip
typical flashbang necklace... single use, soo..
Ouch! That opening line hurts.
i remember reading uglies in like 5th grade and even back then i didn't understand how the whole mimic worked.
i in fact LOVED the books as a kid and now i'm questioning if they were actually any good lol bc aside from no one being ugly it's pretty faithful to the plot
24:46 I figured they were gonna do the whole “I vouched for you 😢” bit but my god I don’t think I’ve ever seen such on the nose writing as shoehorning in an “I vouched for her” line lmao
I love how this movie does kinda say "actually we should give people brain surgery and remove their personality". I really hoped we wouldn't get to this level of stupid, but here we are.
if you're reading this comment before the video is 33 minutes old, what are you doing? go watch the video, its great
What are you doing writing this comment? Shouldn’t you be watching the video?
Ok
I don't watch my videos, they watch me
Take your own advice
32 MINUTES ALMOST
I loved Uglies so much as a young teen (and everything by Scott Westerfeld tbh), I cannot bring myself to watch the movie 😂
Not me sitting here thinking they have to complete a super dangerous, high stakes "operation" in order to earn a right to a different life... but you literally meant surgery :D I haven't watched this movie, but maybe the guy is a reference to Michelangelo's "David" as a token of youthful strength and beauty.
Linepy is back!
I've watched 3 minutes of this video, figured that this one will be stupidly perfect to watch, watched it and came back here to hear if you had the same thoughts as I. what a ride that move was! I read what happened in other books and oh my I really hope for part 2 cause it'd be even more hilarious
Joey King really has a type both for movie quality and role she plays, doesn't she?
I remember reading this book a long long time ago, I completely forgot about it but this video just made me remember everything. There is another movie based off this book, its not named uglies, and its got a different video style, I don't know when or where I saw it but there is another movie out there. In the other movie, they lived in the 2000's based futuristic houses, and before they left the house each day they had to get injections that made it so they couldn't do something or think something ????????? I don't remember. but in this movie one of the children tricked the injection machine by using an apple instead, and she had an epiphany about the standards of life? This could have all been a dream of mine. Anyways, good video
im remembering more now. this movie definitely was real. there was a weird old man with a library and the girl who went to go rat on the other kids had to swim through a river and camp on the other end of it, and kept having to hide from helicopters???
Maybe you're thinking of The Giver?
STOP i read this book in grade 7, 2012. I've always been a "the book is better than the movie" girly for years but really only would mention it if it was brought up in discussion like movie vs book. THEY LOST THE VIBE IN THIS SM LIKE WHAT???? I remember watching skins (uk obvs) and feeling seen by Jal (legit a teen playing a teen, and a black woman) because she had acne!!!! and it wasn't a "plot line" in the show or mentioned at all. How they gon have a 32 year old play a teen?
I read all the books, unfortunately this is exactly how I remember it happening and I didn't like them for these reasons but maybe the movies will make it better idk
23:50 THE DAVID MENTION
This made me so sad bc the book is sooo good but the movie is genuinely so bad it misses all the important parts of the book and the pacing is off and it erased all the tension the book created
i gotta say i always like the music you put in the background of the video