Musescore 4 - Finlandia MuseSounds test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2022
- I wrote out Finlandia in Musescore some several years ago. Here is that file, processed through MS4 with MuseSounds. I lowered the timpani volume and raised the strings (about 6db in each case,). I made no other adjustments to my very old Finlandia file.
MS4 adjusted many aspects of the layout of this score. Much of the layout no longer works. The PDF, as it was meant to be seen, can be found here: imslp.org/wiki/Finlandia,_Op....)
I find that MS4 doesn''t work well with Fortzandi and gradual dynamic change (in this example, they are very abrupt).
I have not updated any notational data from my very old Musescore data, which I am sure is responsible for some of the issues found in this example. I don't use Musescore as my primary software anymore.
The brass are rough throughout. I've seen a lot of praise for the very aggressive brass sound at stronger dynamics, and while that works very well at the beginning of this piece, the horns and trumpets are unnecessarily bright throughout the rest. The brass tutti sound is very artificial sounding still. While not present in this score, there is no euphonium sound and the tuba does not have the range of pitches to substitute (or to cover the advanced range of our repertoire, but that's of little concern).
The strings are generally excellent. The chorale in octaves between the first violin and celli are especially wonderful. The strings easily overbalance the rest of the orchestra at stronger dynamics, which should be possible to fix (e.g. the brass are difficult to hear in the louder middle section). The tremolo sound artifacts noticably when play long enough.
The woodwind sounds are very pleasant throughout this recording. I would appreciate a more brilliant upper register in the flutes, and more color in the low register of the bassoons. The detail of the vibrato on longer sustains is beautiful (e.g. the first flute in the chorale). The note starts are not characteristic of the actual instruments, and are identical across the woodwind family, giving the chorale a very organesque sound. - เพลง
A much better example of what MS4 can do can be found here: th-cam.com/video/c4v5ZrOH4q4/w-d-xo.html.
The new Musesounds is really good, but that clarity of fast notes is definitely still a work in progress, as well as the linkage between sound texture / articulation / dynamics and respective music notation
Sibelius sounds pretty good on musescore
Its MuseSounds
@@heiligeskreuz06 r/whoosh
Nice
I love the hymn arrangement towards the end.
I think it sounds very chaotic from measure 99. And the Bassoon the four measures before is in my opinion too quiet.
I've actually played Sibelius's Finlandia a few years ago when I was part of the Western Regional Honors All State Orchestra back when I was a High School Freshman.
This playback of Muse Sounds playing this piece sounds amazing! Well done on this interpretation!
Appreciate the evaluation from someone with experience. Thank you.
Love this! Great choice of piece.
Это симфоническая поэма? Отлично! Спасибо
Where do these scores come from, are they notated individually or obtained from a source?
Some seriously impressive work on the channel.
David
I input both this and the Pastoral score myself, copying from a PDF of a published score accessed found on IMSLP. Thank you for the kind words
But for VST it is very good. Especially when you consider that it is free
Crazyyy
It's sad the the fz is so quiet. For example, you can't hear the Bassoon at tact 95
Yes, I can only assume it's a bug in the implementation. I cannot imagine someone deciding that fortzando should be quieter than the other music in its context. I see it getting fixed in the near future.
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Also, holy smokes that sounds good on ms4
I find the articulation sin the woodwinds has an odd 'scoop' sound. The wider the interval, and the more sudden the jump, the worse the scoop. On the clarinet and saxophone, it sounds like a junior high player. On the flute, oboe, bassoon, it just sounds impossible. Forums say the oboe was fixed in October, but ... not on *my* MS4. I like so many of the improvements, but I need to be able to play demo files, and since there's no 'convert' utility to load my MS4 into MS3. (I use aegean orchestra soundfont, and most of the winds samples are as good as MS4... although dynamics lack). Sooo.. I'm still working in MS3. I hope the fixes for the most egregious problems happen fairly soon.
The scooping is pretty egregious, and not only in the woodwinds. All the winds and strings have had this exact problem, and it does sound oddly amateur. It's definitely intentional, these things have programmed in to do that, but it's a very odd design choice and one I hope they move away from. I spend way too much time trying to get a clear sound on large intervals in my practice to hear it in playback meant to approximate live professionals.
how did you make it so that there were two separate staves for horns but one piece of text in the middle?
Would it be possible for you to upload this score? ;)
Orchestras play it usually different from the score, to get that result you would have to put a dot on the note in the second bar and write shorter notes in bar 6 and 7, for instance. I notice when I write music how the playback in musescore 4 forces me to be more specific with my dynamics, sometimes that is a good thing.
Orchestras play what is written in score pretty exactly; that's how scores work, we play what is written. Musescore isn't producing playback on the fortzandi correctly, sounding more like the staccato sound you mention. I have to disagree about following Musescore playback for how to write dynamics. Musesounds should aim to more accurately recreate dynamic scoring as has existed for literal centuries, we should not be rethinking how we write dynamics to appease the sound bank.
@@marshalltrogers "that's how scores work" No, you are wrong, you are so so wrong. The composers don't often understand how the instruments work and write hard or even impossible passages; it is the job of the conductor and musicians to make those notes playable. This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of Hector Berlioz, who wrote the famous book about orchestration. As far as I remember, Richard Strauss did not disagree with these claims. Also there is these things called "interpretation" and "style" and "tradition", which is why we in the first place play music with orchestras instead of computers every time.
About Sibelius and Finlandia, this is the first time I, for example, heard those last notes of the trumpet fanfare without staccato, and I have heard this piece a lot since I was a 8-or-something years old fan of Sibelius. Compare, for example th-cam.com/video/qOSaT6U4e-8/w-d-xo.html where the piece is performed by the most prestigious Finnish orchestras and the choir of Sibelius Academy in the opening ceremony of the new main concert hall of Helsinki. I believe their version is more correct than yours. I mean, this is one of the most played and known tune by Sibelius, he certainly heard it performed dozens of times during his lifetime, and the tradition of how this piece is supposed to be played is based on that. We can also listen to recordings from the time when Sibelius was still alive, and they played the fanfare with staccato back then also. Here's an over 100 years old recording: th-cam.com/video/kR7skK_1Pjw/w-d-xo.html
You have to accept that the staccato, not present in the score, is the correct way to play the fanfares and your Musescore rendition is wrong. How could anyone argue that a mechanical interpretation by a computer is more accurate than the version we the real humans know and recognize and love?
@@kctier9183 agreed 👏
How on earth do you have no lag like at all
Must have a lot of RAM. I try to run a bigger score on my 8GB RAM computer, and it's lagging like crazy. I have to export the audio to listen to it. I'll be getting a 32GB RAM computer in the next week or so. That way it can run more easily.
Did you make sure the buffer under preferences I/o is turned up to max setting? That worked for my pc.
no theme development, but, ☝️not a bad idea 💡
Don’t use the Trills on the timpani bro
Use the Tremolos, they sound better and it’s what you’re actually supposed to use
This score is a faithful recreation of an existing published score. Timpani notation at the time that this was written used trills, not tremolos, for rolls. Notation takes priority over playback.
@@marshalltrogers True, except in this case the whole purpose of this video is to demonstrate the MS4 sound fonts, not upload a transcription
the trumpets sound like trumpets now!!
All the instruments sound like their respective instrument at least most of the time now