Which Sounds Better? (Sibelius/NotePerformer/MuseScore 4/SpitfireAudio)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- Muse Sounds Vs Sibelius Sounds 7 Vs Noteperformer Vs Spitfire Audio (Logic Pro X)
Is MuseScore 4 the Sibelius Killer? • Is MuseScore 4 the Sib...
NotePeformer: Playback never sounded better! (Sibelius/Finale/Dorico): • NotePeformer 3: Playba...
MuseScore 4: musescore.org/en
NotePerformer: www.noteperformer.com
Sibelius: www.avid.com/sibelius
Spitfire Audio: www.spitfireaudio.com
00:00 Intro
01:13 Quick Look at Everything
03:26 Sibelius Sounds 7
03:57 NotePerformer 3
04:28 Muse Sounds
04:59 Spitfire Audio
05:30 My Verdict - เพลง
Interesting! I have used Musescore extensively and my decision was to go back to Musescore 3 using Spitfire for the sound engine. Musescore 4 does a pitiful job handling dynamics, The Muse Sounds only work with Musescore 4 so if you want to use a daw to cleanup or make any adjustments to the score, you are out of luck. Musescore 4 does not have the ability to route the audio to other applications, something that is easy in Musescore 3. Musescore 4 does a better job of formatting print than Musescore 3, but everything else is a downgrade compared to Musescore 3. If you have never used a professional grade of music software, then Musescore 4 is a cheap way to get your feet wet. Otherwise, there are better choices available.
Thank you for your comment, really helpful and good advice!
Yes the dynamics in Musescore 4 are not accurate , you have to be creative with them , but just have a listen to my Musescore 4 composers pieces and you'll be blown away how realistic MuseScore 4 / MuseSound / MuseFX sounds !
Problem with Musescore4 is that it is a kind of preview. They still have a lot of wok to do before it can become what it should be (and time is here expressed in number of half-years, I'm afraid). They have many bugs to correct. They have many features to redo which are missing from Musescore 3. Dynamics currently do not work as it should because they only started to change the way dynamics work but they did not finished it. And we hope that they will also find the strength to implement completely new features (including some that we wait for long time). Fast forward a few years and we will see :)
The upgrade in term of UI was HUGE between 3 and 4. It's clear that it was the main focus of the update.
If they keep working on developing it at that pace, future versions of musescore are going to be absolutely great.
Musescore 4 and 3 are open source programs continuously updated and developed, so it'll take time to see if the problem you found would be resolved in future updates for musescore 4 or would become Musescore 5 thing.
Crazy that we live in an age where samples like these can hold up against libraries like Spitfire!
Especially Muse Sounds which is 100% Free, crazy, I understand with Spitfire Samples they are more flexible but out of the box, and for your everyday user 🤷♀
@@Joe-blogcomposer It’s a game changer for people like me who don’t have much experience in production. Allows you to get 80% of that kind of sound with 20% of the effort.
@@christianfortnermusic I agree. & this very informative comparison, certainly allows someone to appreciate how far a working knowledge of Musescore will take a person, before deciding to invest the time & effort necessary to get to grips with VSTs etc
I still think in relationship to the notation heard here , Sibelius seems like a really good option. What is important to me is the range of articulations available in my platte and how I can can shape these articulations . My preference is the Spitfire option …it exhibits really nice close miking ..and an avalanche of articulations. I know people have so many different budgets and fortunately for composers ,of any means , it is true the availability of tools in this category has become really democratised ..such a good thing ..so all the candidates are winners ..it depends on your pockets and ears. Having said all that for the initial stages of composition I use Notion (IOS) which sound wise is on a par with Sibelius’s sonically to my ears and the notation view and export options are excellent. It is a wonderful period in time for budding composers , many of whom have restricted finances, there are so many free good quality resources out there ..we should thank our lucky stars ✨✨🙏🏿🎩👍
@@desoconnor7445 That is true, libraries like Spitfire’s are always much better for articulations
I have recently just abandoned my use of Sibelius for Muse score 4. There are draw backs to the switch, yet it yields pros as well. First, Sibelius's play back will work for any standard ensemble size. Muse score has problems with play back once the ensemble reaches even a Romantic sized orchestra. Sibelius has more options for articulations and retrogrades..ect. Muse has some, however they are limiting. Overall, I am very pleased with how easy and well rounded Musescore is, you can't too wrong with free on this one.
Its crazy that you can use Spitfires samples in musescore 4
MuseScore 4 is quite new; NotePerformer 3 is nearly 5 years old, and version 4 is coming soon. The big advantage of NotePerformer is that it works with Dorico.
Can’t wait for NotePerformer 4!
@@Joe-blogcomposer One more month I think. They are not receiving more beta testers, they said that they don't need them because the release date is so close, wich is great news.
This test is heavily biased in favor of Spitfire and against NP3 and MS4 just by virtue of the differing volumes you presented them at. Human perception has an inherent bias towards louder=better. Punch NP3 out with some strong treble and bass+low mid boost and you'll find out that it too can rock...
I understand where you’re coming from, within logic I did mix and master it while with NP3 and MS4 I tend not to mess with the mix too much. Thank for your comment, I will be doing another video like this comparing a wider variety of sounds, and I’ll take this feedback on board!
Thank you for that video. Musescore 4 sounds great for me (except for solo strings, i have to agree with you).
I liked the Sibelius palette but I will listen a few more times and comment again🙏🙏🏿👍
Is the gain in NotePerformer so choked down? It is hard to compare one soundfont with another when the disparity in playback volume is so great. I use Garritan's library that has some nice sounds, but it too is choked. Engineers seem to have an aversion to the input of musicians.
Frohes Ostern!
Ich schreibe immer für die selbe Band: Trompete, Altsaxofon und Posaune, Piano, Bass und Latin Perkussion. Leider bin ich unzufrieden mit den Sounds
des General MIDI Setups von Mac Mini und den Sibelius Sounds. Noteperformer ist auch nichts für mich, da es besser für Klassische Musik geeignet ist. Jetzt spiele ich mit dem Gedanken mir Logic Pro zu installieren.
Was könnt Ihr mir empfehlen?
The comparison is not fair. 3 score edits against a DAW? it's absurd because with a DAW the sound design options are endless. My favorite here is Muse 4 (it's free) and Noteperformer very easy to use (write everything on the staff and it will play just fine, the smart algorithm takes care of all the hard work of sound editing and articulations, the wish of most composers) they have to update the strings (they sound weird) NotePerformer 4 will win...
definitely the strings is the worst part of NP. I really hope they change that, also it has a cut off in the lowest frequencies, that's not very good.
Thank you that was very helpful. Can you help me. I write classical pieces for orchestra and Sibelius/Noteperformer , But would like a more professional sound, what is the best way to get that , I am drawn to spitfire Audio. Just do not know how to use it . What do you need to buy . Sorry if I sound lame !
No worries! To get a better sound at this point you need a live orchestra or start diving into the world of music production using a digital audio workspace like Logic Pro X, it can be a big learning curb but there are lots of tutorials on how to use Logic (or digital audio workspace DAW Of choice) and sample libraries on TH-cam. I would always use the free stuff first before paying for any sample libraries as they can be quite an investment. I have done some videos on writing music in Logic, but what you can do is transfer your score from Sibelius into logic and then add the good sounds but again that’s a big learning curb and a lot of work. I do do private online lessons in music production and using Logic Pro x
@@Joe-blogcomposer Thank you , I notice noteperforemr 4.1 has a new playback engine , which can host Libraries , so will look into that. . SO many different choice !!!. I noticed a BBC Symphony orchestra professional which sounds intriguing !
Nice!
I've been with MuseScore sense MuseScore 2. The Sibelius 7 sample sounded slightly better than Muse 2. In that sample, NotePerformer was comparable to Muse 3. Between Muse 4 and Spitfire in this given sample, the strings sounded better in Muse, but the brass sounded better in Spit. However, Muse is capable of better brass. The odd thing about Muse 4 is that it is inconsistent. The brass can sometimes sound incredible in ff, but is normally lacking in anything less than f. And there isn't enough flexibility with sfz or fp
The download of Musescore 4 is only 300Mb , it's hard to image all the samples come in such a small size .
I have to admit I didn' download musehub
Especially when Sibelius sounds is like nearly 30GB, for something so small in size they pack a punch!
Curious to see the results after Noteperformer 4 is released...
I’ll be sure to make a part 2 when it does come out!
AI's will change notation software forever, in few years the thing will sound like an actual real orchestra, remember my words.
Just what I was thinking. Maybe we should suggest it to the MuseScore team.
What I waiting for is an entire virtual reality experience where you have a virtual orchestral in front of you that sounds as good as the real thing and can play your music as you conduct it/compose it
@@Joe-blogcomposer Yes, I think that it will happen.
That will take decades though before we are there.
@@NidusFormicarum nah, the technology is basically there, look at the new AI synthetizers, they can mimic with such perfection any sound. I can mimic your voice, your accent, your exact same timbre, with the Eleven Labs, for example, and make you say whatever I want FOR FREE (max 10000 characters per month the free version).
IMO, MS4 is the best because it's sound realistic and natural. NP is nice and logic version is over compressed so musicality is lost.
The only option possible for jazz composers here is Sibelius, NONE of the others support swing. NO groove, no punch. As long as everybody else ignores us, Sib Sounds do the job.
And what’s nice is Sib Sounds does have that jazz option, shame no one else supports those things for Jazz music! Thank you for your comment (I wish I could compose jazz, the one thing I really struggle with!)
If the paid options aren't an order of magnitude better than Musescore 4, it's a no brainer.
I enjoy the speed of production with musescore 4 and Note Performer. It makes using a Daw feel clumsy and slow. Sibelius doesn’t sound great but perfect to printing notation.
The articulations on Spitfire audio are so wrong...I can't handle it. Also you have differences in levels, reverbs and compression. I think that makes a lot for the general perception of any sound library. I think that with a little of your time working on the mix, noteperformer can really achieve incredible results.
Muse Sounds are completely unusable, since you can't balance the score properly. Am I missing something? There are SOOO many issues with it so I don't even know where to start ... I prefer to have worse basic sounds, but a well-balanced score with good sounding articulations and dynamics every day of the week. But then again, some instruments like the euphonium, for instance, I haven't even manage to find a sound fint for.
To be fair, it is a completely new system that they created from scratch, and it's still very much a work in progress. I'm sure the open source community is already very aware of this, and is working on it.
It seems that only you re the only one to have this issue, but you can always tweak things up if it doesn't work the way you wanted it to. Yes, not all instruments have a musesound, since it's a lot of work and musesound was rushed for its release, but more and more instrument have been added, last time, some months ago, we ve got musesound for guitars, and it's wonderful.
Without wishing to offend, your piece really doesn't have the orchestral or arranging skills or content to test any of the examples. There is no proper independence of parts and the piece comprises basic piano semiquaver patterns with woodwind following the highest notes in the piano sequence. There is no attention to texture and scant evidence of much arranging skill going on. Under these conditions it is hard to judge the quality of the sample comparisons. Sorry.
Thank you for your comment, and noting this! I’ll remember that for next time I do a comparison, I’ll make sure to include more independence in parts and work on a better arrangement/texture.
I agree with this comment.
to be completely honest, I would rank them in the order they were played. 1st sounded the best, 2nd the 2nd best and so on. maybe the 1st and 2nd could swap places, but they were both better then ms4 and spitfire samples.
It's a fun debate! Hard to give them all an equal chance, but I find when I close my eyes each has there highlights :) thank you for your comment
The problem with this comparison is the uninteresting, minimalist, repetitive, boring, inhuman composition. Next time just put some Tchaikovsky on.
Apoglies it’s not to your taste, I write a lot of library music, and the one comment producers always give me is they want boring repetitive music. Sadly it’s what sells these day (at least in the part of the industry I work in), and funny enough the very same producers told me this piece was too complex 😂 thank you for your comment.
This is offensive and not very smart. This type of music is everywhere now. Who needs new Tchaikovsky-like music? Noone orders it.
This is offensive and not very smart. This type of music is everywhere now. Who needs new Tchaikovsky-like music? Noone orders it.
Too much talk