I have the Apple TV, if you want the DD+ signal from the Apple TV you are going to have to turn off EARC in the sound settings on the Sony TV and just go with plain ARC. If you use EARC the audio processing will come from the Apple TV which is LPCM, you want the TV to do the audio processing for the DD+ signal(this will dumb down the Apple TV to send the lossy DD+ signal instead of the LPCM) Apple should have a setting in the audio section which signals you would want to send to your receiver or TV but of course they don’t, they’re stuck in their ways. The Sony TV will be able to send the DD+ Dolby Atmos over plain ARC and you will be able to enjoy the 5.1 Dolby sound as well
@@Darkk_Sageyep confirming I tried it too. It works perfectly when turning off eARC as Trenton suggested! question for you dark sage, what signal were you getting before turning off eARC in your tv settings?
It’s funny how many people will defend Apple to their death. I am personally deep deep in the Apple ecosystem, but I’m fair minded enough to know that the audio output on the Apple TV is junk. I have an LG G3 and even with the arc switched off the audio straight from the TV apps is a vast improvement over the Apple TV. For example, if you play inception straight from Netflix on the LG, it’s as if you’ve added two more speakers to your system. It actually sounds like surround sound. Hopefully the new Apple TV Will address the issues and limitations of the current device. The Apple TV from a user interface standpoint is fantastic, but you have to be fair and call it out where it is lacking.
4k bluray and bluray is the way to go. Streaming is so bad. It truly depends on your setup though. Physical media is the way to go,better quality visualy and sounds better plus you own the movie. The only downside to physical media is that it’s more expensive and takes space but if that’s not an issue to you physical is the way to go. Nice video man!
Ive been meaning to test the difference with ready player one apple tv vs bluray. I buy most movies on blueray but i really want to test the difference
@@P-LOWN1997 Ya I think I agree with probably depends on setup as too many people are swearing by blu ray completely blowing streaming out the water. That's just not my experience on this A95L with sonos surround. Better for sure but not to the degree people are making it out to be 🤷 Anywho, thanks for watching! 🙏
@@timowthie interested to hear your thoughts after the test! I bought a bunch of those blu rays just because they were also on Netflix and I wanted to do a direct comparison vs Netflix calibrated mode
@@P-LOWN1997 You hit the nail on the with physical disk. It's why I rent from Gamefly. Streaming isn't all that bad. It all depends on the TV app and the TV processor.
First of all the Apple TV converts, all sound to PCM. Always has always will. It is simply doing the digital conversion inside the box. Exactly what the Sonos or any other processor is doing before it sends the signal to the amplifier stage of your system. PCM stands for pulse code modulation. Every single digital processor does this. If you are using your Apple TV with a audio video receiver or processor, you could simply push the info button and see that Apple is delivering whatever channels are in the original soundtrack whether it be mono, stereo, 2.1, 5.1, on the rare occasion 7.1 or even Atmos Your processor will show this. It will also listed as PCM and it will list the original signal as Dolby digital or Dolby Atmos or stereo or whatever. But again the Apple TV is converting the digital signal to pulse code modulation. It’s simply doing it in the box That way your processor sends the signal straight to your amplifier. In fact, this is one of the biggest complaints about the Apple TV is that it does not have a pass through feature. The pass-through feature would allow someone who has taken a digital rip from a physical disk and send that signal unchanged to the processor so they would Get Lossless audio if it were present all the way up through Dolby Atmos. Currently the Apple TV 4K can only handle lossless audio up to 7.1 channels using the infuse pro app. It cannot do lossless audio, including Dolby Atmos or DTSX. The fact that you mentioned you watch TH-cam the majority of the time is part of the problem of the sound experience as nothing on TH-cam is done in surround sound. It does not do Atmos at all. Whereas 100% of the original content on the Apple plus streaming service is done with Dolby vision and Dolby Atmos sound. This can clearly be seen again when hooking the Apple TV to a processor it clearly shows Dolby Atmos. But again the Apple TV has converted the original signal to PCM. Something that your processor would have done anyway, before the signal is amplified.
dang love me a long comment William! thanks for the intel 🙏 ya on the TV built in google OS, youtube on a good day will give me 'Dolby multichannel pcm 2.0', most apple TV content as you said properly comes out as Dolby ATMOS, and most HBO and netflix content is now displaying as 'Dolby multichannel pcm 5.1'. Through the apple tv 4k, I managed to get this same behaviour for a short while yesterday but then it stopped working and did plain 'multichannel PCM 2.0', 'Dolby ATMOS', and 'multichannel PCM 5.1' again.. my main gripe is with that plain 'multichannel pcm 5.1' which sounds to me considerably underwhelming compared to anything with 'Dolby' in the front 😅
@@edwinrijos6679 ya while true I talked about that near the end. Signal for signal though to my ears didn't make more than 20-30% improvement in sound experience, at least on this setup. Imagine can be different though with different hardware variables and different signals.
Hey man.., so there is a few things here that are not right. First of all the entire issue is with your SONOS, not the Apple TV. The Apple TV outputs perfectly well any DD or DD+ signal. All you have to do is get a proper processor and you will see. I’ve never seen my Apple TV outputs PCM! Most likely the SONOS can’t accept the nitrate or the form of DD+ the Apple TV outputs. I’m curious how your whole system is connected. Never had a Sonos but I’ve had many many receivers and all Apple TVs and never had an issue you describe. At this point it seems like an isolated incompatibility issue. Secondly, the Netflix mode on the Sony is not any better than a mode set up as custom. It’s actually a bit dull and boring and dark. Your vid at this point is a bit clickbait-ey. The whole “hey I stopped using Apple TV” because your system is not set up well is sketchy.
Hey Martin, thanks for sharing your experience and insight as I shared mine. Different hardware setup, different experience. To be expected and kind of the point of making the video. Your comment would be more useful if you stated what TV and sound system you are using as I did. Plenty of people are not professionals and will indeed be able to get the better audio and video by using their Bravia TV built in OS instead of the apple TV 4K because of this video as I have. Also while i'm sure you don't prefer the calibrated mode on whatever Sony TV you say you have, I definitely prefer it on mine and STOP The FOMO (a real pro) has a video confirming that it virtually eliminates the need for getting the TV calibrated again he says explicitly on the TVs he tested (I think the A95L and Bravia 9). Because when making content like this obviously none of us can make sweeping statements about the experience everybody is having with their unique hardware. As for the video being 'click baity', I don't see it. Delivers on what it says. 2 Reasons why I stopped using the Apple TV 4K. My system is setup correctly and delivers DD+ (aka better sounding audio) when using google TV 4K chromecast or TV built in google OS to the same sonos sound system. The video is both informative and useful even if all it does is have people check what audio signal they are getting. Most people don't watch the whole video which is why I state the main point that applies to most people early on unlike many other TH-camrs out there.
@@seifbuysIn your particular case instead of making a video of why you stopped using Apple TV I’d make a video how to solve a problem when your Apple TV is only getting PCM auto to a Sonos system. The key here is to isolate what the issue is. It can the the TV, it can be the Sonos, it could be a setting but it can also be the connection. I’m very curious to get to the bottom of this. I’d suggest trying to isolate the issue. First disconnect everything and connect the Apple TV to the TV to the ARC port. Try how that delivers the sound to the TV. At this point my guess is the issue is with the TV. Your Apple TV is connected to it and the Sonos too. It’s known the Apple TV can and does output signals properly. I’d suggest the following: go to settings, Display and Sound, Audio Output. You want to check eArc mode, digital audio out and Dolby digital plus output settings and Passthrough mode. I suggest eArc mode to Auto Dolby Digital out to Auto 1 Dolby Digital plus set to Dolby Digital plus Pass Through mode to Auto. With these my TV correctly outputs DD+ from Apple TV On the Apple TV side I suggest you set change format to OFF, despite the description this is the setting that outputs the native unaltered signal. If that’s giving issues try ON and set simple Dolby Digital 5.1. DO NOT set to stereo. This would output PCM stereo I imagine. When I tried I still got a DD signal. Last thing I can think of is if you use any HDMI splitters? They can sometimes mess things up. I’ve seen a box that once would not pass on certain signals and all ended up as stereo. I have a few systems but my Sony one is 83A90J
@@martin.krencey it’s the ATV interacting with Sonos. I have the same issues with same setup, LG C3. My understanding is that there is nothing wrong, this is just how it displays in the Sonos app. Reddit has various posts about it.
Nope I have a Sonos system and it used to work brilliantly with the Apple TV 4K until recently after an update from Apple now anything in DD 5.1 comes out as PCM. I can go into my native apps on my tv and they will output DD 5.1 so it’s an Apple issue that has affected some users.
Apple have broken the Apple TV 4K in one of their recent updates. Up until a month ago if a movie on Netflix or Disney or wherever was in Dolby Digital 5.1 it came out with that codec. Now it comes out as PCM and if you have a Sonos surround set up like I do it’s terrible. Apple need to fix this now! I can use the native apps on my Samsung TV and they can still put out Dolby Digital 5.1 so I may as well go back to using them again.
You’re not doing something right. I get Atmos from my Apple 4k and nothing comes from the one speaker you referenced on your set up. I have a Sony A80 OLED. Apple into a Sony 5000 receiver and playing into my 7.1.4 speaker system.
hey Eric, sorry ya I get ATMOS too from my apple tv 4K as mentioned in the vid. It's just for non-ATMOS content that i'm getting 'multichannel PCM 5.1' as opposed to either 'Dolby Digital Plus 5.1' or 'Dolby Multichannel PCM 5.1'. Out of curiosity, what 7.1.4 system are you using?
Hi, I have a Apple tv 4k in work great geting Dolby Atmos in DTS x and DTS imax enhanced. You have to go in sitting in atmos in on. I have a sony a95l. It works great with my apple tv.
Hey Andrew, love to hear it! yep, Dolby ATMOS works great, it's just everything else which is not Dolby ATMOS that doesn't sound so great to me. Like what signal are you getting when the content is not Dolby ATMOS (e.g. regular 5.1)? Also, what is your sound system?
@seifbuys I have a Sony bar 9 with subwoofers in their surround Speakers 1500 dollar for the package. But before that, I had a cheap soundbar by onn 5.1.2 is sound OK. But the Sony Bar 9 package sounds 100% better . The apple tv work is good with all the soundbar I have had. Could be your sound bar.
@@Techmoviesguy oh man that sounds awesome, i've already been contemplating upgrading to the new sony quad based on video roundup from 'NothingButTech'. Just don't have room for it at my current place. Have half a mind to move places just to have room for it and try it out 😅
PCM 5.1 from a DD+ signal is the same as a DD+ 5.1 signal. The difference is the AppleTV is doing the decoding instead of your sound device (receiver/soundbar, etc) there is no difference between the AppleTV PcM 5.1 signal and the Google TV 5.1 signal. Just different devices doing the decoding. Your Sonos is turning the 5.1 DD+ signal to PCM before it sends it out to the speakers.
@@dxsloparr hey Andrew, hmm interesting thanks for the intel! does that explain why the DD+5.1 sounds much fuller? i.e much more noticeable sound from the rears at all volume levels 🤔
@@seifbuys Even with Dolby Atmos, the 5.1/7.1 Bed layer is decoded on the Apple TV and sent to your AVR as Multichannel PCM with the Atmos extensions folded in, your AVR will decode the Atmos extensions and display Atmos but it’s Atmos via Multichannel PCM. Either way Multi channel PCM should be in distinguishable from the original DD/DD+/Atmos track
@ hey Jeremy, a new thing i've started seeing on my built in TV OS and on the apple TV 4K for a brief period yesterday was 'Dolby multichannel PCM 5.1', this sounded a lot closer to the 'Dolby Digital Plus 5.1' signal that I was after. But it wasn't long before the apple TV 4K reverted back to plain 'multichannel PCM 5.1' without the 'Dolby' at the front and that does sound definitely underwhelming compared to when Dolby was present. At least on this sonos ultimate immersive set sound system. I imagine for sure will be different outcomes on different hardware though.
@@seifbuys no. There should be no difference between the Apple TV multichannel PCM and the Dolby Digital+; however I’m not familiar with the Sonos system so maybe the Sonos is doing something to boost the sound for you. But there should be no difference in the quality from the multichannel 5.1 PCM and the DD+ 5.1
@@seifbuys if anything, PCM actually is capable of carrying a full uncompressed audio signal, while DD+ is capped at 768 kbps with streaming. However, that doesn’t matter cuz the signal carried by the service is at most 768 kbps.
@@Undecided0 funny enough, someone stole my PS5 disc drive from my storage locker because I wasn't using it 😅 The disc drive has been sold out since so I haven't been able to get my hands on a new one. I did want to compare the blu ray experience to Ps5 but looks like someone already did that on TH-cam so i'll take his word for it saying that the dedicated ultra HD blu ray players do the content much more justice than the PS5.
Isn’t PCM lossless and DD+ lossy? I thought the main difference was DD/DD+ gets louder at lower volume, but the actual quality is lesser. Whereas PCM just needs to be turned up more.
@@Darkk_Sage that's what I thought too when looking into definitions of everything. But just not the case in my experience and sounds like others too based on comments so far. Like the rears are nowhere near as engaged and high channels are underwhelming with PCM. Regardless of volume..
There are no height channels on plain DD/DD+ so anything you hear coming from height drivers when Atmos isn’t active is virtualized/simulated. As mentioned in other comments, on the ATV, the ATV is decoding the DD/DD+ and sending it via LPCM to the receiver/sound bar. LPCM is lossless but if the original decoded content is lossy, lossy in = lossy out, but no additional loss. That said if you have ripped Blu-Rays and play the TrueHD lossless track through Infuse on Apple TV, the LPCM stream will be truly lossless (though it won’t be Atmos, just regular TrueHD as Atmos metadata is stripped) and your receiver/Sonos will still just show LPCM and not the pretty Dolby logo. Devices like Google send the signal bitstream to the receiver/Sonos and allow the audio device to do the decoding, so you see the various Dolby logos.
@@seanscottnyc thanks for the intel Sean 🙏 interesting to know the height channels aren't actually engaged on the DD+5.1 as really does sound like it. If not, then perhaps it's coz the rears are much more engaged/audible with the DD signal vs PCM 🤔.. still regardless of volume.
Alright for all those I will explain it this way, Apple TV default is going to be LPCM for audio, this means if you connect the ATV to the TV using EARC, audio will come out as LPCM 2.0 or 5.1 depending on the stream( also for those that connect the ATV directly to your soundbar or receiver) For Dolby Atmos ATV uses Dolby MAT to add additional channels( I believe that XBOX and PlayStation do the same) To get DD+ signal you must connect the ATV to your TV and use ARC and make sure the TV is using the Dolby Digital plus settings, all the newer TVs that support Atmos should be able to decode this.Every other streaming box uses DD+ as default and you can use EARC, Apple will always try to be different from the rest even if it’s a pain in the ass
@@MrTrentonMakes thanks for dropping these knowledge gems Michael! I pinned your other comment as that worked for me and was a very straightforward tv settings change. Though weirdly enough when I moved the ATV4K back to my living room before turning off eARC it was giving me something I had never experienced or seen before, that is 'Dolby multichannel PCM 5.1' this sounds A LOT closer to the DD+ 5.1 I get when turning off eARC as per your suggestion and/or using the TV built in OS.
Yes I also got the Dolby multi channel pcm but with the google streamer, kind of weird I haven’t seen that before either, haven’t seen it with the ATV.
and i spoke too soon, turned eARC back on and now getting the old 'multichannel pcm 5.1' again on ATV4K without the 'Dolby' smh. Sticking with ur turn eARC off workaround and calling it a day.
Have a Sony X93L, Polk Signa S4, with an Apple TV 4K. It's my favorite device from Apple, and the only device I missed when I went full Android for a moment. I almost ended up buying a Blu-Ray player for my TV, but imo the bitrate for iTunes movies, Apple TV+, and Movies Anywhere (Sony Bravia Core is an option as well if I want the highest bitrate for streaming) are good enough for me versus buying an additional system that I really just don't need. LOTR through iTunes looked like a painting for the Hobbit films. Sound is excellent to me for my use case. I'm no audiophile, I just want a consistent working sound that gets more than loud enough for 2 people.
@@hafuridotus hey Josh, love to hear it! and agreed, streaming more than sufficient quality especially for all these new TVs which clean up everything so nicely. Honestly I don't consider myself an audiophile neither but the difference in sound experience for non dolby atmos content is just too much even for me (I liken it to watching on a 50 inch vs 77 inch tv for example.. i.e. very easily noticeable improvement in immersion), highly suggest you give it a try just streaming through ur TV something that's 5.1 vs on apple tv 4k. In any case, I know most Apple TV+ and iTunes shows and movies have dolby ATMOS sound anyway so doesn't matter for those. Also, Happy new YEAR 🎉
Problem 1 might be a Sonos issue. I dont know much about Sonos but MPCM is essentially the decoded audio. Dolby Digital Plus is just a wrapper. The Apple TV is decoding the Dolby Digital Plus and passing MPCM whereas Google is passing Dolby to the Sonos which is then decoding. Cant explain why it sounds worse but that should be the technical explanation
@@fatboycarney hmm that's what I was hoping someone with a non sonos surround setup would clear up. Based on the chatGPT definition, it makes multichannel pcm sound like a cleaner signal, but def sounds significantly underwhelming compared to dolby digital plus and dolby digital regular to my ears. Regardless of increasing volume or not. The rears just aren't as engaged in the experience and so are the height channels.
I stated facts and did not pretend to be anything. Legit asked the audience for their experience. Check your ego at the door before you comment sir. Thanks for watching.
Comparing UI devices on home screens does help. Nobody compares streaming boxes to built in TV apps. I have the Hisense U8N and Prime Video has horrible picture quality. I use Prime for Horror movies regardless of poor ratings. I'm not an Apple person so I do plan to get a Roku Ultra streaming box just for this reason. TH-cam is really good at streaming content but Amazon Prime is bad, Hisense Picture settings can't fix color banding.
@seifbuys On Tubi and Amazon Prime I scan the profile and read the You would be surprised by how many movies on Prime don't even have professional reviews at all on R.T. I like the Jack In A Box Movies The Rises can be really hard to watch. I rewatched the first part on both my Galaxy Tab 10.1 S9 FE and my LG V60. On my U8N black banding is horrible. My LCD phone does better processing. A lot times if the movie gets boring or I get too tired I just go back to watching youtube. I have an Apple Account and haven't used it. I only have it to watch 2 major movies. I haven't watched them yet because I'll probably end up getting better picture from Roku Ultra.
Sure 4k blu-ray might not be as seamless as streaming or purchasing digital but you actually own the movie with a disc and can sell it if you want. Along with better PQ/AQ
I have the same issue with my Sonos system. Apple TV just sounds quieter for non-Atmos content. It sound way better when when set on Dolby Digital but we lose Atmos. I also ended up using my Google TV streamer which seems to sound better for non-atmos content. I was contemplating upgrading to the Sony Quad due to this issue as I also have a big Blu-ray collection which supports DTS 5.1 only on Sonos. I find this issue also on Plex Apple TV - but it goes away while using Infuse.
@@RaviJohnR ya I find the rears aren't anywhere near as engaged and height channel effect significantly held back with multichannel PCM. Ouff! let me know if you do that upgrade, I was seriously considering it but will need to move to a different house first as current living room has no place for the quads.
@@seifbuys sure thing. I was about to pull the trigger but I happened to come across 2 videos in December from Andrew Robinson on the Arc Ultra immersive system including Era 300 / Subs being way better than Sony Quad as well. Somehow, none of the online reviewers on Sonos seem to face this Apple TV - Sonos audio issue (most of them quote Apple TV as their preferred streamer). On Sonos format limitations, he touched upon it in his 1 hour+ Q&A video, video about DTSX/HD not being an issue as Sonos is about to put out an equivalent output with PCM. In my personal experience I have not found that to be the case but like you I’m keen to know if the next Apple TV refresh will fix it as it’s honestly cheaper to replace an Apple TV / streamer then the whole audio system.
@@RaviJohnRI see! ya I was going off of NothingButTech's best surround sound system which he released a couple weeks ago. He put the Quads in first place for both music and movie watching with the sonos ultimate immersive in second place. In any case, let's see if apple or Sonos address this issue. I'm thinking of emailing them to ask..
@@seifbuys There are many forum pages on both Apple and Sonos dedicated to this issue but are dead ends. I hope you get a response. Ya, ‘NeverEnoughTech’s review convinced me to pull the trigger and Andrew Robinsons’ held me back :) I’ve been reading and watching so much on this topic that it’s left me in a state of analysis paralysis!
Video is good but having a SONOS is the problem you’re getting . If you can migrate it to another room and get a receiver and klipsch reference copper speakers. The receiver has more processing power for streaming audio. SONOS not so much. Why you’re having that issue with Apple TV. Should have gotten the Sony soundbar and sub and surround speakers. That has good processing too. Sonos is good if you just want good loud sound and forget it. A receiver has curving capability for your listening area. It sounds good Loud or low volume . Try changing the dbs +- on your speakers I keep mines @ +2 center channel +4 dialog I need most. Other than that you’re good to do what works for you.
@@deion423 ya I do agree the look and sound is better but often just not by enough to warrant the additional steps to get and play a physical disc in my experience. At least not on modern flagship TV and sound system setups. To each their own though! I definitely can see where you are coming from in any case.
@@06dame27 yep using premium tier! just even then not all content is mastered in Dolby ATMOS like john wick 2 on netflix shown in the video. A lot of content is Dolby ATMOS and for those it doesn't make a difference. But even more content out there isn't Dolby ATMOS and for those the sound quality is twice as good when not using the apple tv 4K in my experience. For example here in Canada, all HBO content doesn't seem to have dolby ATMOS so the sound difference makes Apple TV 4K a non starter.
Same thing happens here. I have a 2022 Samsung QLED tv. The port I use says eARC so I have not changed it to arc only. I have a Nvidia shield it's very slow (but it's the 1st gen 2015 model Tegra X1 may as well say a Nintendo switch), Apple TV 4K 1st and 3rd gen. Shaw (or rogers whatever the F its called these days) xfinity cable box (SUCKS for streaming very very limited) As well as Samsung TV OS. The Samsung TV/Shield have too much advertising and the use of physical buttons vs swiping. As my Samsung soundbar is only displaying PCM using Apple TV 4K , it's not a big deal breaker. PCM still sounds great. I will take the awesome UI, easier to use, and NO ADS vs a smidge better sound quality. As you mentioned no streaming service beats physical media. But I will never return to physical media. Only physical media I buy are video games. Perhaps I am biased as I use the apple ecosystem for nearly everything, except the lack of gaming as I use a PC for that.
I went with the 77” Bravia 8 since i keep hearing its the same processor but not as bright as the A95L. I use my on Standard 90% of the time it looks great. I tried the calibrated modes on Netflix, Prime etc. but it just darkens the picture to me. I always try to watch as the creator intends. But i prefer a bright colorful image. But im Loving the Bravia 8. Saved me $2500. Game mode is a Beast.
true! can't argue with those savings and agreed, I watch a lot of TH-cam on it and defo standard mode for that. Standard also tends to have more 'vivid' like colours even on the A95L comes down to personal taste for sure
I have the Sony BluRay player. I'm happy with it. I get disk freeze ups from time to time. It means the rented disk I got wasn't either cleaned or had some minor scratch in it. I get great picture quality. I think Panasonic Bluray players is overrated especially the price just to play 4K UHD movies.
hey Scott, thanks for watching and sharing your experience! ya the Sony is def a better value unless you can get the panasonic at a steep sale price or something
I dont think those digital codes work here in canada. Although streaming is super convenient you dont own anything. I believe a mix of both is great. Dont collect everything but pick up your favorites, movies or shows that you love to rewatch.
@@CanadianBacon6ix oh really? I didn't even bother trying but you made me curious. Fair point regarding rewatching! I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the new highly rated shows that keep coming out 😅
@seifbuys ohh your absolutely right, there's soo much new content out there, it's hard to keep up. I only subscribe to one streaming platform at a time and switch every few weeks/months and have my favourites on 4k or bluray.
@@CanadianBacon6ix nicee, ya that's what I used to do too! up until I went on this home theatre review chapter 😅 will prob revert back to one service at a time by end of month. Glad I'm not alone in thinking that 😌
@@timtench518 haha woah! what system would that be Tim? I'm honestly starting to get convinced of leaving sonos 🤔 please no overly complicated setup solutions though. Gotta be in the living room.
This dude looks like the Canadian Aquaman 😅... Google recommended this video. 4K Blu-ray discs are actually 4-5x better audio than streaming... Streaming audio sucks!!! BTW that TV looks sweet
@@JamaicaSocial you are too kind brother, thanks for watching! hmm ya I could see 4-5x improvement if the stream is like 2.1 mix and then Dolby ATMOS on the blu ray. But ATMOS for ATMOS, to my ears sounds like 20-50% better at max. At least on this A95L TV and sonos surround setup (I imagine it could be different experience and perceived improvement across different hardware setups for sure) And thanks! just bought the TV in November 🙏
@seifbuys if you had better speakers you'd hear more layers and details in the mix. Mid-bass and low-end is way better on the discs... The Sonos Arc just can't represent it well, but I'm an 5% enthusiast , the average person wouldnt notice unless you tell them what to listen for. Your video was decent.... Consider pacing yourself more, speak a little slower and you'll have less re-takes and jump cuts, which can be distracting from your overall presentation. You'll get better over time... Consider scripting, bullet points, and narration... They will help to make you look more polished on camera. Keep at it 👍
@@JamaicaSocialahh that would make sense! and ya I do see how one could develop an eye and strong taste for the subtleties. Once you see it can't unsee it kind of thing. And thanks for the feedback man, I agree 🙏 will be a journey for sure.
A Paramount Plus user got the information fom the support that the next generation of ATV, expected to be released in 2025, will have the audio passthrough feature. Fingers crossed! 🤞🏼 Until then I'll be using my Chromecast with google TV or the internal TV apps, because those are the only 2 options for me to receive DD+ 7.1 instead of DD+ 5.1, since my AV-gear isn't capable of distributing the decoded 7 channel LPCM unaltered and arc, in most TVs, compared to e-arc isn't capable of transferring DD+ 7.1, but only DD+ 5.1. Regarding the discussion if LPCM is better than DD+: Yes it is because it's not that lossy. But it doesn't make any difference if the DD+ bitstream, coming from the streaming provider, was decoded to LPCM by the streaming box or the AV-gear.
I might be alone on this but I hate Netflix calibrated mode on my Sony Oled....it lifts the black floor and looks like I'm watching content on a LCD. Also 99% of Netflix content barely goes over 600nits in small highlights so you don't make use of the TV's HDR properly
Ya no, I believe you. The experience is different on different TVs. I think the calibrated modes really shine on the flagship bravia models based on the comments i'm seeing and another video by 'STOP the FOMO'.
Why would you use a Apple TV or any other streaming device Sony tv has better video resolution and performance than just about any streaming device out there it does a better job of making compressed video quality look better
@@George-hl2xm haha I used it because I loved it man. Oh well those days are past us now. Using the Bravia Google TV built in OS even after figuring out how to get the sound quality to match up on the apple tv 4K because like you say there is something I can't quite point my finger on about streaming directly from the Sony Bravia TV even without the calibrated modes.. I think it must be what ur saying about doing a better job cleaning up the video.
@ what you did in your video when you showed the streaming versus native 4K player that was great. I haven’t seen any other TV review or do that. It’s like I said before if I’m gonna buy a TV, I wanna see what that TV can do when it’s pushed to its max. This video was the best review for any TV I’ve ever seen.. keep up the good work.
@ I mean people still collect retro games and dvds. However by next year there will be no more new movies that will be on Blu-ray. Best Buy has said they will stop carrying them and LG said they are done making players and other manufacturers are also saying this
@ wow, talk about end of an era. An era I just jointed at that! oh well 🤷 that's what I was telling some commenters like who still uses blu ray? and to my eyes and ears tbh, sure there's a difference but signal for signal, at least on flagship TV like the A95L, I just don't see why I would buy physical media and a player. Then again I don't consider myself a die hard enthusiast neither..
@@rikachiu Best Buy stopped selling Bluray media a year ago and it still exists. LG wasn't that big a player in the bluray player market, so although it isn't a great sign, it will hardly be noticed. Buying media isn't for everyone but I sure as hell would buy a 4k bluray over a DVD but DVD is more popular. Some people just aren't that smart or are blind and deaf.
Your comment: useless. tell me what your setup is and how mine it is configured 'incorrectly'. Many people have checked their signals and confirm better sound for non dolby ATMOS content when using TV built in OS vs Apple TV 4K.
I never heard of the Sonos 5.1 issue on apple. I use the Apple TV app on my u6k Hisense. Tested the Apple TV 4K on a lg c2. Both with the Sonos arc ultra. Dolby atmos supported. Of course I checked the Sonos app to make shore. Usually it’s based on your internet speed. As to why you don’t get hdr or Dolby atmos. I’m not having the problem your having Apple TV and no Dolby atmos.
hey Fury, thanks for adding your experience! hmm are you saying that for non dolby ATMOS content on your apple TV 4K you are getting something other than 'multichannel PCM 5.1'?
I think im blind, I have lg c1 and don’t see or hear difference in 4k blu ray to apple tv purchases. However I dont have surround sound so that’s probably why 🫣
haha you're not blind brother. It can be a subtle difference in viewing experience for some people. Also depends on the sound system and whether the 4K blu ray is ultra HD dolby vision, and whether the apple tv purchase matches those specs, etc. etc..
I have the Apple TV, if you want the DD+ signal from the Apple TV you are going to have to turn off EARC in the sound settings on the Sony TV and just go with plain ARC. If you use EARC the audio processing will come from the Apple TV which is LPCM, you want the TV to do the audio processing for the DD+ signal(this will dumb down the Apple TV to send the lossy DD+ signal instead of the LPCM) Apple should have a setting in the audio section which signals you would want to send to your receiver or TV but of course they don’t, they’re stuck in their ways. The Sony TV will be able to send the DD+ Dolby Atmos over plain ARC and you will be able to enjoy the 5.1 Dolby sound as well
@@MrTrentonMakes hot damn, thanks for the intel! will def try this out 🫡
Exactly, he hasn’t configured his TV correctly and is presenting his inability to configure things correctly as fact.
@@seifbuys I was coming back to this video to tell you this. It works if you are looking for DD and DD+ signals
@@MrTrentonMakes I tried this. It seemed to show as DD 5.1 for Apple TV. On LG WebOS, it shows as DD+ 5.1
@@Darkk_Sageyep confirming I tried it too. It works perfectly when turning off eARC as Trenton suggested! question for you dark sage, what signal were you getting before turning off eARC in your tv settings?
It’s funny how many people will defend Apple to their death. I am personally deep deep in the Apple ecosystem, but I’m fair minded enough to know that the audio output on the Apple TV is junk. I have an LG G3 and even with the arc switched off the audio straight from the TV apps is a vast improvement over the Apple TV. For example, if you play inception straight from Netflix on the LG, it’s as if you’ve added two more speakers to your system. It actually sounds like surround sound. Hopefully the new Apple TV Will address the issues and limitations of the current device. The Apple TV from a user interface standpoint is fantastic, but you have to be fair and call it out where it is lacking.
@@krbelloff Agreed! say it like it is Keith 🙏
4k bluray and bluray is the way to go. Streaming is so bad. It truly depends on your setup though. Physical media is the way to go,better quality visualy and sounds better plus you own the movie. The only downside to physical media is that it’s more expensive and takes space but if that’s not an issue to you physical is the way to go. Nice video man!
Ive been meaning to test the difference with ready player one apple tv vs bluray. I buy most movies on blueray but i really want to test the difference
@@P-LOWN1997 Ya I think I agree with probably depends on setup as too many people are swearing by blu ray completely blowing streaming out the water. That's just not my experience on this A95L with sonos surround. Better for sure but not to the degree people are making it out to be 🤷 Anywho, thanks for watching! 🙏
@@timowthie interested to hear your thoughts after the test! I bought a bunch of those blu rays just because they were also on Netflix and I wanted to do a direct comparison vs Netflix calibrated mode
@@P-LOWN1997 You hit the nail on the with physical disk. It's why I rent from Gamefly. Streaming isn't all that bad. It all depends on the TV app and the TV processor.
First of all the Apple TV converts, all sound to PCM. Always has always will. It is simply doing the digital conversion inside the box. Exactly what the Sonos or any other processor is doing before it sends the signal to the amplifier stage of your system. PCM stands for pulse code modulation. Every single digital processor does this. If you are using your Apple TV with a audio video receiver or processor, you could simply push the info button and see that Apple is delivering whatever channels are in the original soundtrack whether it be mono, stereo, 2.1, 5.1, on the rare occasion 7.1 or even Atmos Your processor will show this. It will also listed as PCM and it will list the original signal as Dolby digital or Dolby Atmos or stereo or whatever. But again the Apple TV is converting the digital signal to pulse code modulation. It’s simply doing it in the box That way your processor sends the signal straight to your amplifier. In fact, this is one of the biggest complaints about the Apple TV is that it does not have a pass through feature. The pass-through feature would allow someone who has taken a digital rip from a physical disk and send that signal unchanged to the processor so they would Get Lossless audio if it were present all the way up through Dolby Atmos. Currently the Apple TV 4K can only handle lossless audio up to 7.1 channels using the infuse pro app. It cannot do lossless audio, including Dolby Atmos or DTSX. The fact that you mentioned you watch TH-cam the majority of the time is part of the problem of the sound experience as nothing on TH-cam is done in surround sound. It does not do Atmos at all. Whereas 100% of the original content on the Apple plus streaming service is done with Dolby vision and Dolby Atmos sound. This can clearly be seen again when hooking the Apple TV to a processor it clearly shows Dolby Atmos. But again the Apple TV has converted the original signal to PCM. Something that your processor would have done anyway, before the signal is amplified.
dang love me a long comment William! thanks for the intel 🙏 ya on the TV built in google OS, youtube on a good day will give me 'Dolby multichannel pcm 2.0', most apple TV content as you said properly comes out as Dolby ATMOS, and most HBO and netflix content is now displaying as 'Dolby multichannel pcm 5.1'.
Through the apple tv 4k, I managed to get this same behaviour for a short while yesterday but then it stopped working and did plain 'multichannel PCM 2.0', 'Dolby ATMOS', and 'multichannel PCM 5.1' again.. my main gripe is with that plain 'multichannel pcm 5.1' which sounds to me considerably underwhelming compared to anything with 'Dolby' in the front 😅
If you really care about sound quality you get a dedicated 4k player. All streamed movies are compressed.
@@edwinrijos6679 ya while true I talked about that near the end. Signal for signal though to my ears didn't make more than 20-30% improvement in sound experience, at least on this setup. Imagine can be different though with different hardware variables and different signals.
@@seifbuysSound is better through a AV Receiver rather than those soundbars
Hey man.., so there is a few things here that are not right. First of all the entire issue is with your SONOS, not the Apple TV. The Apple TV outputs perfectly well any DD or DD+ signal. All you have to do is get a proper processor and you will see. I’ve never seen my Apple TV outputs PCM! Most likely the SONOS can’t accept the nitrate or the form of DD+ the Apple TV outputs. I’m curious how your whole system is connected. Never had a Sonos but I’ve had many many receivers and all Apple TVs and never had an issue you describe. At this point it seems like an isolated incompatibility issue. Secondly, the Netflix mode on the Sony is not any better than a mode set up as custom. It’s actually a bit dull and boring and dark. Your vid at this point is a bit clickbait-ey. The whole “hey I stopped using Apple TV” because your system is not set up well is sketchy.
I have a top tier Sony tv btw.
Hey Martin, thanks for sharing your experience and insight as I shared mine. Different hardware setup, different experience. To be expected and kind of the point of making the video. Your comment would be more useful if you stated what TV and sound system you are using as I did.
Plenty of people are not professionals and will indeed be able to get the better audio and video by using their Bravia TV built in OS instead of the apple TV 4K because of this video as I have. Also while i'm sure you don't prefer the calibrated mode on whatever Sony TV you say you have, I definitely prefer it on mine and STOP The FOMO (a real pro) has a video confirming that it virtually eliminates the need for getting the TV calibrated again he says explicitly on the TVs he tested (I think the A95L and Bravia 9). Because when making content like this obviously none of us can make sweeping statements about the experience everybody is having with their unique hardware.
As for the video being 'click baity', I don't see it. Delivers on what it says. 2 Reasons why I stopped using the Apple TV 4K. My system is setup correctly and delivers DD+ (aka better sounding audio) when using google TV 4K chromecast or TV built in google OS to the same sonos sound system. The video is both informative and useful even if all it does is have people check what audio signal they are getting. Most people don't watch the whole video which is why I state the main point that applies to most people early on unlike many other TH-camrs out there.
@@seifbuysIn your particular case instead of making a video of why you stopped using Apple TV I’d make a video how to solve a problem when your Apple TV is only getting PCM auto to a Sonos system. The key here is to isolate what the issue is. It can the the TV, it can be the Sonos, it could be a setting but it can also be the connection. I’m very curious to get to the bottom of this. I’d suggest trying to isolate the issue. First disconnect everything and connect the Apple TV to the TV to the ARC port. Try how that delivers the sound to the TV. At this point my guess is the issue is with the TV. Your Apple TV is connected to it and the Sonos too. It’s known the Apple TV can and does output signals properly. I’d suggest the following: go to settings, Display and Sound, Audio Output. You want to check eArc mode, digital audio out and Dolby digital plus output settings and Passthrough mode.
I suggest eArc mode to Auto
Dolby Digital out to Auto 1
Dolby Digital plus set to Dolby Digital plus
Pass Through mode to Auto.
With these my TV correctly outputs DD+ from Apple TV
On the Apple TV side I suggest you set change format to OFF, despite the description this is the setting that outputs the native unaltered signal. If that’s giving issues try ON and set simple Dolby Digital 5.1. DO NOT set to stereo. This would output PCM stereo I imagine. When I tried I still got a DD signal. Last thing I can think of is if you use any HDMI splitters? They can sometimes mess things up. I’ve seen a box that once would not pass on certain signals and all ended up as stereo. I have a few systems but my Sony one is 83A90J
@@martin.krencey it’s the ATV interacting with Sonos. I have the same issues with same setup, LG C3. My understanding is that there is nothing wrong, this is just how it displays in the Sonos app. Reddit has various posts about it.
Nope I have a Sonos system and it used to work brilliantly with the Apple TV 4K until recently after an update from Apple now anything in DD 5.1 comes out as PCM. I can go into my native apps on my tv and they will output DD 5.1 so it’s an Apple issue that has affected some users.
My Panasonic OLED TV also has Netflix Calibration mode on its Netflix app but don't use TVs apps as l use a Amazon 4K Firestick 23:05
nice! ya panasonic TVs are apparently amazing too. I've been loving the panasonic ultra HD blu ray player more than the sony 👌
Apple have broken the Apple TV 4K in one of their recent updates. Up until a month ago if a movie on Netflix or Disney or wherever was in Dolby Digital 5.1 it came out with that codec. Now it comes out as PCM and if you have a Sonos surround set up like I do it’s terrible. Apple need to fix this now! I can use the native apps on my Samsung TV and they can still put out Dolby Digital 5.1 so I may as well go back to using them again.
You’re not doing something right. I get Atmos from my Apple 4k and nothing comes from the one speaker you referenced on your set up. I have a Sony A80 OLED. Apple into a Sony 5000 receiver and playing into my 7.1.4 speaker system.
hey Eric, sorry ya I get ATMOS too from my apple tv 4K as mentioned in the vid. It's just for non-ATMOS content that i'm getting 'multichannel PCM 5.1' as opposed to either 'Dolby Digital Plus 5.1' or 'Dolby Multichannel PCM 5.1'. Out of curiosity, what 7.1.4 system are you using?
Hi, I have a Apple tv 4k in work great geting Dolby Atmos in DTS x and DTS imax enhanced. You have to go in sitting in atmos in on. I have a sony a95l. It works great with my apple tv.
Hey Andrew, love to hear it! yep, Dolby ATMOS works great, it's just everything else which is not Dolby ATMOS that doesn't sound so great to me. Like what signal are you getting when the content is not Dolby ATMOS (e.g. regular 5.1)? Also, what is your sound system?
@seifbuys I have a Sony bar 9 with subwoofers in their surround Speakers 1500 dollar for the package. But before that, I had a cheap soundbar by onn 5.1.2 is sound OK. But the Sony Bar 9 package sounds 100% better . The apple tv work is good with all the soundbar I have had. Could be your sound bar.
@@Techmoviesguy oh man that sounds awesome, i've already been contemplating upgrading to the new sony quad based on video roundup from 'NothingButTech'. Just don't have room for it at my current place. Have half a mind to move places just to have room for it and try it out 😅
Hi, do you get IMAX enhanced sound from the Disney app on the Apple TV 4K?
@@markvanlieshout6062 I don't but Im using Sonos surround. just IMAX enhanced aspect ratio on the tv for select titles.
PCM 5.1 from a DD+ signal is the same as a DD+ 5.1 signal. The difference is the AppleTV is doing the decoding instead of your sound device (receiver/soundbar, etc) there is no difference between the AppleTV PcM 5.1 signal and the Google TV 5.1 signal. Just different devices doing the decoding. Your Sonos is turning the 5.1 DD+ signal to PCM before it sends it out to the speakers.
@@dxsloparr hey Andrew, hmm interesting thanks for the intel! does that explain why the DD+5.1 sounds much fuller? i.e much more noticeable sound from the rears at all volume levels 🤔
@@seifbuys Even with Dolby Atmos, the 5.1/7.1 Bed layer is decoded on the Apple TV and sent to your AVR as Multichannel PCM with the Atmos extensions folded in, your AVR will decode the Atmos extensions and display Atmos but it’s Atmos via Multichannel PCM. Either way Multi channel PCM should be in distinguishable from the original DD/DD+/Atmos track
@ hey Jeremy, a new thing i've started seeing on my built in TV OS and on the apple TV 4K for a brief period yesterday was 'Dolby multichannel PCM 5.1', this sounded a lot closer to the 'Dolby Digital Plus 5.1' signal that I was after. But it wasn't long before the apple TV 4K reverted back to plain 'multichannel PCM 5.1' without the 'Dolby' at the front and that does sound definitely underwhelming compared to when Dolby was present. At least on this sonos ultimate immersive set sound system. I imagine for sure will be different outcomes on different hardware though.
@@seifbuys no. There should be no difference between the Apple TV multichannel PCM and the Dolby Digital+; however I’m not familiar with the Sonos system so maybe the Sonos is doing something to boost the sound for you. But there should be no difference in the quality from the multichannel 5.1 PCM and the DD+ 5.1
@@seifbuys if anything, PCM actually is capable of carrying a full uncompressed audio signal, while DD+ is capped at 768 kbps with streaming. However, that doesn’t matter cuz the signal carried by the service is at most 768 kbps.
I see you have a case for a Dual Sense Edge Controller. You can just watch 4K Blu-Ray discs on the PS5. Unless you don’t have the digital version.
@@Undecided0 funny enough, someone stole my PS5 disc drive from my storage locker because I wasn't using it 😅 The disc drive has been sold out since so I haven't been able to get my hands on a new one. I did want to compare the blu ray experience to Ps5 but looks like someone already did that on TH-cam so i'll take his word for it saying that the dedicated ultra HD blu ray players do the content much more justice than the PS5.
Apple TV is for Atmos surround sound only!! The Apple TV movies and shows sounds amazing. But I agree with the PCM Multi channel thing.
thanks for confirming! good to know i'm not alone out there with this experience 🙏
Isn’t PCM lossless and DD+ lossy? I thought the main difference was DD/DD+ gets louder at lower volume, but the actual quality is lesser. Whereas PCM just needs to be turned up more.
@@Darkk_Sage that's what I thought too when looking into definitions of everything. But just not the case in my experience and sounds like others too based on comments so far. Like the rears are nowhere near as engaged and high channels are underwhelming with PCM. Regardless of volume..
@ interesting - I will try on my LG WebOS apps and let you know. I also have the same Sonos setup as you.
There are no height channels on plain DD/DD+ so anything you hear coming from height drivers when Atmos isn’t active is virtualized/simulated.
As mentioned in other comments, on the ATV, the ATV is decoding the DD/DD+ and sending it via LPCM to the receiver/sound bar. LPCM is lossless but if the original decoded content is lossy, lossy in = lossy out, but no additional loss. That said if you have ripped Blu-Rays and play the TrueHD lossless track through Infuse on Apple TV, the LPCM stream will be truly lossless (though it won’t be Atmos, just regular TrueHD as Atmos metadata is stripped) and your receiver/Sonos will still just show LPCM and not the pretty Dolby logo.
Devices like Google send the signal bitstream to the receiver/Sonos and allow the audio device to do the decoding, so you see the various Dolby logos.
@@Darkk_Sage perfect, ya real curious 👀
@@seanscottnyc thanks for the intel Sean 🙏 interesting to know the height channels aren't actually engaged on the DD+5.1 as really does sound like it. If not, then perhaps it's coz the rears are much more engaged/audible with the DD signal vs PCM 🤔.. still regardless of volume.
Alright for all those I will explain it this way, Apple TV default is going to be LPCM for audio, this means if you connect the ATV to the TV using EARC, audio will come out as LPCM 2.0 or 5.1 depending on the stream( also for those that connect the ATV directly to your soundbar or receiver) For Dolby Atmos ATV uses Dolby MAT to add additional channels( I believe that XBOX and PlayStation do the same) To get DD+ signal you must connect the ATV to your TV and use ARC and make sure the TV is using the Dolby Digital plus settings, all the newer TVs that support Atmos should be able to decode this.Every other streaming box uses DD+ as default and you can use EARC, Apple will always try to be different from the rest even if it’s a pain in the ass
@@MrTrentonMakes thanks for dropping these knowledge gems Michael! I pinned your other comment as that worked for me and was a very straightforward tv settings change. Though weirdly enough when I moved the ATV4K back to my living room before turning off eARC it was giving me something I had never experienced or seen before, that is 'Dolby multichannel PCM 5.1' this sounds A LOT closer to the DD+ 5.1 I get when turning off eARC as per your suggestion and/or using the TV built in OS.
Yes I also got the Dolby multi channel pcm but with the google streamer, kind of weird I haven’t seen that before either, haven’t seen it with the ATV.
@@MrTrentonMakeswild! i'll just tell myself apple watched the video and immediately worked to remedy the situation 😂
though indeed even that wouldn't explain why ur now seeing it on ur google TV streamer 😵💫
and i spoke too soon, turned eARC back on and now getting the old 'multichannel pcm 5.1' again on ATV4K without the 'Dolby' smh. Sticking with ur turn eARC off workaround and calling it a day.
Have a Sony X93L, Polk Signa S4, with an Apple TV 4K. It's my favorite device from Apple, and the only device I missed when I went full Android for a moment.
I almost ended up buying a Blu-Ray player for my TV, but imo the bitrate for iTunes movies, Apple TV+, and Movies Anywhere (Sony Bravia Core is an option as well if I want the highest bitrate for streaming) are good enough for me versus buying an additional system that I really just don't need. LOTR through iTunes looked like a painting for the Hobbit films.
Sound is excellent to me for my use case. I'm no audiophile, I just want a consistent working sound that gets more than loud enough for 2 people.
@@hafuridotus hey Josh, love to hear it! and agreed, streaming more than sufficient quality especially for all these new TVs which clean up everything so nicely.
Honestly I don't consider myself an audiophile neither but the difference in sound experience for non dolby atmos content is just too much even for me (I liken it to watching on a 50 inch vs 77 inch tv for example.. i.e. very easily noticeable improvement in immersion), highly suggest you give it a try just streaming through ur TV something that's 5.1 vs on apple tv 4k. In any case, I know most Apple TV+ and iTunes shows and movies have dolby ATMOS sound anyway so doesn't matter for those.
Also, Happy new YEAR 🎉
Problem 1 might be a Sonos issue. I dont know much about Sonos but MPCM is essentially the decoded audio. Dolby Digital Plus is just a wrapper. The Apple TV is decoding the Dolby Digital Plus and passing MPCM whereas Google is passing Dolby to the Sonos which is then decoding. Cant explain why it sounds worse but that should be the technical explanation
I thought PCM is essentially the same, it just needs to be turned up?
@@fatboycarney hmm that's what I was hoping someone with a non sonos surround setup would clear up. Based on the chatGPT definition, it makes multichannel pcm sound like a cleaner signal, but def sounds significantly underwhelming compared to dolby digital plus and dolby digital regular to my ears. Regardless of increasing volume or not. The rears just aren't as engaged in the experience and so are the height channels.
Please check your facts before pretending to be the authority on audio video matters.
I stated facts and did not pretend to be anything. Legit asked the audience for their experience. Check your ego at the door before you comment sir. Thanks for watching.
Comparing UI devices on home screens does help. Nobody compares streaming boxes to built in TV apps.
I have the Hisense U8N and Prime Video has horrible picture quality. I use Prime for Horror movies regardless of poor ratings.
I'm not an Apple person so I do plan to get a Roku Ultra streaming box just for this reason. TH-cam is really good at streaming content but Amazon Prime is bad, Hisense Picture settings can't fix color banding.
hey Scott, any horror movie recommendations?
@seifbuys On Tubi and Amazon Prime I scan the profile and read the
You would be surprised by how many movies on Prime don't even have professional reviews at all on R.T.
I like the Jack In A Box Movies The Rises can be really hard to watch. I rewatched the first part on both my Galaxy Tab 10.1 S9 FE and my LG V60. On my U8N black banding is horrible. My LCD phone does better processing.
A lot times if the movie gets boring or I get too tired I just go back to watching youtube.
I have an Apple Account and haven't used it. I only have it to watch 2 major movies. I haven't watched them yet because I'll probably end up getting better picture from Roku Ultra.
Sure 4k blu-ray might not be as seamless as streaming or purchasing digital but you actually own the movie with a disc and can sell it if you want. Along with better PQ/AQ
@@jonathannoble9465 valid point!
I have the same issue with my Sonos system. Apple TV just sounds quieter for non-Atmos content. It sound way better when when set on Dolby Digital but we lose Atmos. I also ended up using my Google TV streamer which seems to sound better for non-atmos content. I was contemplating upgrading to the Sony Quad due to this issue as I also have a big Blu-ray collection which supports DTS 5.1 only on Sonos. I find this issue also on Plex Apple TV - but it goes away while using Infuse.
@@RaviJohnR ya I find the rears aren't anywhere near as engaged and height channel effect significantly held back with multichannel PCM. Ouff! let me know if you do that upgrade, I was seriously considering it but will need to move to a different house first as current living room has no place for the quads.
@@seifbuys sure thing. I was about to pull the trigger but I happened to come across 2 videos in December from Andrew Robinson on the Arc Ultra immersive system including Era 300 / Subs being way better than Sony Quad as well. Somehow, none of the online reviewers on Sonos seem to face this Apple TV - Sonos audio issue (most of them quote Apple TV as their preferred streamer). On Sonos format limitations, he touched upon it in his 1 hour+ Q&A video, video about DTSX/HD not being an issue as Sonos is about to put out an equivalent output with PCM. In my personal experience I have not found that to be the case but like you I’m keen to know if the next Apple TV refresh will fix it as it’s honestly cheaper to replace an Apple TV / streamer then the whole audio system.
@@RaviJohnRI see! ya I was going off of NothingButTech's best surround sound system which he released a couple weeks ago. He put the Quads in first place for both music and movie watching with the sonos ultimate immersive in second place. In any case, let's see if apple or Sonos address this issue. I'm thinking of emailing them to ask..
@@seifbuys There are many forum pages on both Apple and Sonos dedicated to this issue but are dead ends. I hope you get a response. Ya, ‘NeverEnoughTech’s review convinced me to pull the trigger and Andrew Robinsons’ held me back :) I’ve been reading and watching so much on this topic that it’s left me in a state of analysis paralysis!
@@RaviJohnR ahh quite the pickle! and haha an all too familiar state of mind for me too 😬
Video is good but having a SONOS is the problem you’re getting . If you can migrate it to another room and get a receiver and klipsch reference copper speakers. The receiver has more processing power for streaming audio. SONOS not so much. Why you’re having that issue with Apple TV. Should have gotten the Sony soundbar and sub and surround speakers. That has good processing too. Sonos is good if you just want good loud sound and forget it. A receiver has curving capability for your listening area. It sounds good Loud or low volume . Try changing the dbs +- on your speakers I keep mines @ +2 center channel +4 dialog I need most. Other than that you’re good to do what works for you.
@@GeoFavTech sweet, thanks for the intel!
Streaming is cool but i like physical disc because they always look better and sound better .
@@deion423 ya I do agree the look and sound is better but often just not by enough to warrant the additional steps to get and play a physical disc in my experience. At least not on modern flagship TV and sound system setups. To each their own though! I definitely can see where you are coming from in any case.
Im confused, are you using the Premium tier on Netflix? You need that for Dolby Atmos.
@@06dame27 yep using premium tier! just even then not all content is mastered in Dolby ATMOS like john wick 2 on netflix shown in the video. A lot of content is Dolby ATMOS and for those it doesn't make a difference. But even more content out there isn't Dolby ATMOS and for those the sound quality is twice as good when not using the apple tv 4K in my experience. For example here in Canada, all HBO content doesn't seem to have dolby ATMOS so the sound difference makes Apple TV 4K a non starter.
Same thing happens here. I have a 2022 Samsung QLED tv. The port I use says eARC so I have not changed it to arc only. I have a Nvidia shield it's very slow (but it's the 1st gen 2015 model Tegra X1 may as well say a Nintendo switch), Apple TV 4K 1st and 3rd gen. Shaw (or rogers whatever the F its called these days) xfinity cable box (SUCKS for streaming very very limited) As well as Samsung TV OS. The Samsung TV/Shield have too much advertising and the use of physical buttons vs swiping. As my Samsung soundbar is only displaying PCM using Apple TV 4K , it's not a big deal breaker. PCM still sounds great. I will take the awesome UI, easier to use, and NO ADS vs a smidge better sound quality. As you mentioned no streaming service beats physical media. But I will never return to physical media. Only physical media I buy are video games. Perhaps I am biased as I use the apple ecosystem for nearly everything, except the lack of gaming as I use a PC for that.
I hear you Steve. Very interesting 🤔 Thanks for sharing your experience!
I went with the 77” Bravia 8 since i keep hearing its the same processor but not as bright as the A95L. I use my on Standard 90% of the time it looks great. I tried the calibrated modes on Netflix, Prime etc. but it just darkens the picture to me. I always try to watch as the creator intends. But i prefer a bright colorful image. But im Loving the Bravia 8. Saved me $2500. Game mode is a Beast.
true! can't argue with those savings and agreed, I watch a lot of TH-cam on it and defo standard mode for that. Standard also tends to have more 'vivid' like colours even on the A95L comes down to personal taste for sure
I have the Sony BluRay player. I'm happy with it. I get disk freeze ups from time to time. It means the rented disk I got wasn't either cleaned or had some minor scratch in it. I get great picture quality.
I think Panasonic Bluray players is overrated especially the price just to play 4K UHD movies.
hey Scott, thanks for watching and sharing your experience! ya the Sony is def a better value unless you can get the panasonic at a steep sale price or something
I dont think those digital codes work here in canada. Although streaming is super convenient you dont own anything. I believe a mix of both is great. Dont collect everything but pick up your favorites, movies or shows that you love to rewatch.
@@CanadianBacon6ix oh really? I didn't even bother trying but you made me curious. Fair point regarding rewatching! I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the new highly rated shows that keep coming out 😅
@seifbuys ohh your absolutely right, there's soo much new content out there, it's hard to keep up. I only subscribe to one streaming platform at a time and switch every few weeks/months and have my favourites on 4k or bluray.
@@CanadianBacon6ix nicee, ya that's what I used to do too! up until I went on this home theatre review chapter 😅 will prob revert back to one service at a time by end of month. Glad I'm not alone in thinking that 😌
I was listening until you said Sonos. That’s your problem. My Apple TV 4K provides premium sound to my 7.4.4 system ALL THE TIME.
@@timtench518 haha woah! what system would that be Tim? I'm honestly starting to get convinced of leaving sonos 🤔 please no overly complicated setup solutions though. Gotta be in the living room.
Very wise choice, anything streaming will never give you the same sound compared to uncompressed audio from physical media.
@@SmithAudioVideo 🫡
False. Dolby Atmos is uncompressed.
This dude looks like the Canadian Aquaman 😅... Google recommended this video. 4K Blu-ray discs are actually 4-5x better audio than streaming... Streaming audio sucks!!! BTW that TV looks sweet
@@JamaicaSocial you are too kind brother, thanks for watching! hmm ya I could see 4-5x improvement if the stream is like 2.1 mix and then Dolby ATMOS on the blu ray. But ATMOS for ATMOS, to my ears sounds like 20-50% better at max. At least on this A95L TV and sonos surround setup (I imagine it could be different experience and perceived improvement across different hardware setups for sure) And thanks! just bought the TV in November 🙏
@seifbuys if you had better speakers you'd hear more layers and details in the mix. Mid-bass and low-end is way better on the discs... The Sonos Arc just can't represent it well, but I'm an 5% enthusiast , the average person wouldnt notice unless you tell them what to listen for. Your video was decent.... Consider pacing yourself more, speak a little slower and you'll have less re-takes and jump cuts, which can be distracting from your overall presentation. You'll get better over time... Consider scripting, bullet points, and narration... They will help to make you look more polished on camera. Keep at it 👍
Its really the bitrate is much bigger and bigger dynamic range
@@JamaicaSocialahh that would make sense! and ya I do see how one could develop an eye and strong taste for the subtleties. Once you see it can't unsee it kind of thing. And thanks for the feedback man, I agree 🙏 will be a journey for sure.
IMAX Enhanced with Google TV supports it, but Apple TV does not.
Nice, confirmed same on my end 👌 Thanks for sharing Yusuf!
A Paramount Plus user got the information fom the support that the next generation of ATV, expected to be released in 2025, will have the audio passthrough feature. Fingers crossed! 🤞🏼
Until then I'll be using my Chromecast with google TV or the internal TV apps, because those are the only 2 options for me to receive DD+ 7.1 instead of DD+ 5.1, since my AV-gear isn't capable of distributing the decoded 7 channel LPCM unaltered and arc, in most TVs, compared to e-arc isn't capable of transferring DD+ 7.1, but only DD+ 5.1.
Regarding the discussion if LPCM is better than DD+: Yes it is because it's not that lossy. But it doesn't make any difference if the DD+ bitstream, coming from the streaming provider, was decoded to LPCM by the streaming box or the AV-gear.
Hey you should do a video on what PC/Mac you use/used and why.
thanks for the recommendation Jeff! sneak preview, I use a macbook pro because it's the best and easiest to use 😜
I might be alone on this but I hate Netflix calibrated mode on my Sony Oled....it lifts the black floor and looks like I'm watching content on a LCD.
Also 99% of Netflix content barely goes over 600nits in small highlights so you don't make use of the TV's HDR properly
Ya no, I believe you. The experience is different on different TVs. I think the calibrated modes really shine on the flagship bravia models based on the comments i'm seeing and another video by 'STOP the FOMO'.
@@seifbuys I have the A90J Master series Oled
Why would you use a Apple TV or any other streaming device Sony tv has better video resolution and performance than just about any streaming device out there it does a better job of making compressed video quality look better
@@George-hl2xm haha I used it because I loved it man. Oh well those days are past us now. Using the Bravia Google TV built in OS even after figuring out how to get the sound quality to match up on the apple tv 4K because like you say there is something I can't quite point my finger on about streaming directly from the Sony Bravia TV even without the calibrated modes.. I think it must be what ur saying about doing a better job cleaning up the video.
Great review!! I’m glade that you took feedback from me and others about physical media movies.
@@michaeldietz2648 thanks so much for watching and kind comment Michael! appreciate you all for giving me ideas and letting me know my blind spots 🙏
@ what you did in your video when you showed the streaming versus native 4K player that was great. I haven’t seen any other TV review or do that. It’s like I said before if I’m gonna buy a TV, I wanna see what that TV can do when it’s pushed to its max. This video was the best review for any TV I’ve ever seen.. keep up the good work.
@ love to hear it! thanks for the feedback brother 🙏
We have our TV in dumb mode and an Apple TV 4K. Quite happy.
haha to each their own indeed Michael. Thanks for watching 🙏
Blue ray is dead though
@@rikachiu haha tell that to all these people in the comments here and on my last vid. I think it's going to remain as an enthusiast indulgence
@ I mean people still collect retro games and dvds. However by next year there will be no more new movies that will be on Blu-ray. Best Buy has said they will stop carrying them and LG said they are done making players and other manufacturers are also saying this
@ wow, talk about end of an era. An era I just jointed at that! oh well 🤷 that's what I was telling some commenters like who still uses blu ray? and to my eyes and ears tbh, sure there's a difference but signal for signal, at least on flagship TV like the A95L, I just don't see why I would buy physical media and a player. Then again I don't consider myself a die hard enthusiast neither..
@@rikachiu Best Buy stopped selling Bluray media a year ago and it still exists. LG wasn't that big a player in the bluray player market, so although it isn't a great sign, it will hardly be noticed. Buying media isn't for everyone but I sure as hell would buy a 4k bluray over a DVD but DVD is more popular. Some people just aren't that smart or are blind and deaf.
Your video: “I don’t know how to configure my devices correctly.”
Your comment: useless.
tell me what your setup is and how mine it is configured 'incorrectly'. Many people have checked their signals and confirm better sound for non dolby ATMOS content when using TV built in OS vs Apple TV 4K.
So, using the setting EARC is wrong with AppleTV but not with any other streaming player. Is the setting wrong, or is something wrong the AppleTV?
@@frommatorav1 something's wrong with the apple TV compared to other streamers. Been confirmed issue by countless people here...
I never heard of the Sonos 5.1 issue on apple. I use the Apple TV app on my u6k Hisense. Tested the Apple TV 4K on a lg c2. Both with the Sonos arc ultra. Dolby atmos supported. Of course I checked the Sonos app to make shore. Usually it’s based on your internet speed. As to why you don’t get hdr or Dolby atmos. I’m not having the problem your having Apple TV and no Dolby atmos.
hey Fury, thanks for adding your experience! hmm are you saying that for non dolby ATMOS content on your apple TV 4K you are getting something other than 'multichannel PCM 5.1'?
I think im blind, I have lg c1 and don’t see or hear difference in 4k blu ray to apple tv purchases. However I dont have surround sound so that’s probably why 🫣
haha you're not blind brother. It can be a subtle difference in viewing experience for some people. Also depends on the sound system and whether the 4K blu ray is ultra HD dolby vision, and whether the apple tv purchase matches those specs, etc. etc..