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@@undeadinside3571 Which is great news since people will stop whining about wanting self-damage back SOLELY for Chroma, and also I can finally use a better subsume for Chroma besides Parasitic Armor to take direct damage to his health easily.
The concept of "Well this warframe had their day so they dont need attention" is such a baffling one, especially ironic given that the incarnon system does something similar for weapons. Havent used the Boltor since 2016? Surprise, now its a full auto shotgun! What a dumb take lol
not to mention its already not like that even if we say they are right 3rd most used frame? Volt prime, frame from the literal release of the game, followed by excal in 4th, Mesa prime in 6th and, again Volt, in 7th, there is more "old" frames in the spotlight than there is newer ones, hell the only newer frame that tops players tierlists consistently is Citrine
That wasn't his reason. That was more of a sidebar to express the passage of time. The reason for not changing Loki, yet, is because no one can think of changes that both make him "better" while not turning him into a room clearing, weapon boosting, AoE God. His whole point is as a utility frame. This puts him in a similar place to Vauban, but he can cheese stealth instead of ragdolls.
@@chaosgyro He is a trickster frame so make him super annoying yet powerful something like, aoe ability from which enemies get double dmg and health but entire squad gets some insanely strong buffs to compensate that buff of enemies very highrolly type of frame, that would be unique, usable, aaand still in the spirit of him needing to be, well loki you can also utilise fenrir or jormungadr (definitely butchered that) since those fit the theme as well. Also, the shapeshifting aspect could be utilised to some capacity its not that no one can think of any changes, its just that they are lazy with that, and also theres no money in changing one of the oldest characters in the game
@@chaosgyro Triburos made a pretty good video about it. Its the problem of more and more enemies resisting, ignoring, or completely shutting down CC, so frames like Loki or Limbo whos pretty much ENTIRE identity is CC have gotten so much worse. Why would you use a CC/ Utility frame when you could just use a nuke frame that kills things so fast that theres no need for CC, especially when nullifiers, overguard, demolitionists, etc all just say "nuh uh" to said CC frames while damage frames just kill things regardless.
@@alexaunkla179Like A Dragon reference while Infinite Wealth-- OK, it came out in January, it ain't a brand-new release anymore but at the same time finishing the average Yakuza/LAD game takes about as long as grinding out base Chroma, I guess?
Not a good idea. Channeled abilities are detrimental to how he is played. You want to have 100% uptime on Vex Armor after you’ve maxed out its buff as much as possible. If you run out of energy and can’t refresh it, you’re screwed. So, if you’re also using an ability that is constantly sucking up all your energy, you either will struggle to keep Vex Armor up or you will not have very long to actually use the channeled ability before you must cancel it.
Chroma in concept would have been cool. i wish that someday, when he gets a full rework, there'll be a reason for him to switch his elements mid mission, or at least struggle to choose between the 4. maybe like Voruna he could be a frame who's great at spreading status effects, but instead of focusing on melee, he focuses on guns. i so desperately want him to get that full rework he deserves.
I’m still looking at Nyx and Banshee at the bottom of the used charts am I’m seriously not understanding how upping them isn’t a priority. The last “buff” Nyx got was being able to roll in her Augmented 4 and it’s still slow as molasses.
@@SabuuchiI seriously just want them to up the target cap on her 2, maybe fire it in a cone in front, make it a permanent strip, anything. 6 target cap AND limited duration is absurd. I'm not sure quite where you'd start on her other stuff, but her 2 at least has VERY obvious fixes you could do to it to make it far less cumbersome.
@@KamuiOmega I've been playing Nyx lately and some improvements I could think of is making Mind Control either permanent or allow multiple targets, to emphasize that she's the de facto psychic frame. I've been playing around with a 'minion build' that focuses on Mind Control and Synoid Heliocor, and duration is a bother in both cases. Similarly Ballistica Prime's passive needs a longer duration to be any useful. Agreed on Psychic Bolts. I replaced it with Fire Blast, which pretty much does the same thing with more targets. Psychic bolts needs a buff. I'm not sure what to do with Absorb. Sure, it's good for survival, but the lack of mobility kinda goes against Warframe's current playstyle.
Can we have her 4 augment scale move speed with strength? Ivara can do it; why not Nyx? Also, love when Psychic Bolts curve around the target directly in front of me, in favor of a Bucher that hasn't entered the room yet.
Storn for Warframe bback then but with content expectating more from the players were going to be pushed to either run meta frames everyone and their mothers run and used while lower tier frames continue to be used less and less. Limbo WAS a atrong frane, todays content typically having a limbo can hinder the squad. But I'd love to see a rework and many frames with the warframe 2024 mindset rather than a 2019 mindset @@Sabuuchi
you know what. make chroma's 1st work like a dnd dragon. Have it just be bonkers powerful, like, you WANT to use it every chance you get. It'll clear a room, but it's on a cooldown that only goes down faster as you use abilities. At least maybe I'll use it now and again for the slightest spice of variety in his kit
Funny you say that. I've been personally pondering the expanded usage of Cooldowns in WF Kits. It's another one of those inconsistencies of DE design. They really use it intermittently. They really need to clearly define if we have ults or 4th abilities. If we have ults the level of spam people tend to do with certain ones is kind of ridiculous. Stynax spam immediately comes to mind. Power is fine but if the old press 4 to win meta, or just the general way most players try to do, taught us is that if you give the power you have to have appropriate limiters otherwise people will abuse it.
Ok the heyday post. I’m not asking for balls to the walls OP bs like some forums posters do. All I want is purpose & synergies. I don’t want muh god tier power fantasy where the frame is OP & completely tops the usage charts. I just want them to comfortably handle A niche. Just one. At least one. Certain frames just need some ability or abilities tweaked. Not all frames need reworks on the level of Hydroid. Grendel level of added values & synergies is fine. Chroma, Banshee, fuck Valkyr just need her stance updated and that would address 70% of her problems.
I think the problem is down to how the game is fundamentally designed. If we didn’t go the dps route for Loki he would still be unused because why would you play a frame with less efficiency at killing things even if the benefit is some fun crowd control shenanigans. Otherwise you’d see limbo mains running around freezing every enemy in place. I think for now Loki does need to be untouched until the game starts to change how to approach hordes. Because rn damage + range is the meta and has been for a while
I do agree tho what you hope to expect. If his rework was just to make his kit more effective with mobility + cc I would be happy, but unfortunately players want the maximum amount of deeps a frame can dish out no matter their role
my boi has been butchered to hell and back and I want a goddamn rework. If this year Chroma won't get a rework I will personally go to DE's HQ and place down 300000 chroma statues until either he will get one, or I get arrested.
I loved my dragon boi pre plains of eidolon. Eidolon hunts felt so fun with chroma tho because you felt like a monster hunter dealing crap tons of damage to big bosses. However, DE proceeded to nerf chroma's vex armor for a stupid reason and its been downhill since then.
I feel like one simple change they could do to his 1 would be to just have it work similarly to the augmented 1s for Volt/Ember/etc. Add the equivalent of an elemental damage mod to your (maybe allies by default, maybe require an augment) weapon, or even better make it work like Toxic Lash as a separate damage tick that force-procs the relevant status. This way it is actually useful, can help give you some variation in your damage elements/modding, and you can potentially swap around for specific things, like putting Cold procs on a Demolyst/Eximus, or giving yourself the Heat buff for the damage but using the Cold or Electric Ward buff.
make it proc 10 status effects of chosen element every second, or every 5 or find the sweet numer for it, and make it scale with strength (more procs with more strenght). and not just to the first target but to the ones that it chains to that way it would be gimmicky and fun, while having some potency
Why his 1 wasn't changed into an explosive fuckoff projectile I'll never understand. Although to be honest all it would take is a reversion of the Vex Armor nerf.
When I heard "Buff Chroma" at first, I was wondering if everyone decided to collectively eat glue and put their head in a microwave (especially as someone that mains Oberon). But you did open my eyes Sabuuchi. I guess I was also stuck in 2015 even if I didn't play Warframe back then (and maybe also why I mostly play Oberon). Warframe evolves and there's a reason why older frames are getting reworks here and there, even if they aren't put in place to increase their power level.
Ive got one simple trick to make chroma better, give him a massive ass dragon susano like thing as his exalted weapon instead of his current 4. How would it work? Idk
Maybe give him an exalted frame, similar to sevagoth. Spectral scream becomes an exalted weapon, still an ability at base, but a normal recharging ammo weapon in his new form. Then either give him a new kit in exalted form or make all of the abilities empowered while exalted (and bis one a bost to his scream since it would be hos "gun")
My wf profile would tell that I used Chroma 48% of my playtime, as I did use him almost since he was added. Sabuuchi, I thank you for making that vid, as right now Chroma really feels like a one-button frame with a nice visual design. "Weapon platform" :tm: Having a use for his abilities on T1 Lith? Nah, thanks. And if you lose that one button due to nullies or dozing out from the gameplay loop, you just fart and respawn.
His spectral scream does have one singular use: Toxin+Archon Continuity is an...okayish primer and corrosive spreader. Granted, you can only use melee when using it though, so I recommend either running with a Status weapon with healing return (or Sancti Magistar), change element to Frost for his Ward, giving him two Green shards for armor strip, and then just start punching dudes. Is it a good overall strategy? Not really. Is it very niche? Indeed. But its how I personally play him and its the only way that makes me feel like I'm having a modicum of fun with him. Personally though, if I were to make changes on him it would be 4 changes: 1. Allow use of normal weapons while Spectral Scream is active (and maybe an augment to let you add its element to your weapon). Either that, or allow the scream to benefit from equipped primary mods and arcanes (like a Primary Psuedo-Exalt), or just make it an Exalted Beam Weapon 2. Allow the casting and stacking of multiple Elemental Ward types (and make them refreshable like Titania's buff wheel), so that he can actually be the "master of elements" he was supposed to be before Lavos stole his lunch money. 3. Increase the status chance on Elemental Ward's auras, or at the very least increase the Strength scaling on the status chance. Making it feasible to spread Heat procs on the ward could open up lots of interesting build ideas and concepts. Out of all the suggested changes though I'd be fine with not getting this one if the other three go through. 4. Just rework his 4 so that either its an attack cast like Sevagoth, or instead of draining Energy it either creates or stores energy when it attacks someone in order to justify the reduction to your armor and health. OR do something else with it, because as it stands its my go to ability to subsume off of him, because having TWO worthless draining abilities is just a real kick in the balls.
I really hope that his 1 becomes a projectile instead of a breath so that you still can fire it from range as youre running Narrow minded. I never understood why his 2 only locks you into one of the abilities. DE please let us hold the button to cast all of them at once. By themselves the buffs arent good enough but combine them and its actually decent
I just came back to wf a few days ago after a 2+ years break and chroma prime is one of my only two primes(harrow prime the other), standing proud from my other non-prime frames, and i see this... 😢
I searched for any Chroma related content because when Chroma was released, after grinding to unlock it that was when I left Warframe and went into Destiny. Early 10 years later I’m now considering grinding Destiny 2 and getting back into Warframe
Just a few ideas to give chroma some new life. If elemental ward was more like a nourish or xatas whisper but for heat, cold, electric and toxin. The effigy should follow the warframe and stun like it does but it uses all its elements for status spreading support. As for spectral scream I have no idea, maybe make it a psuedo exatled and increase its range dramatically so that high level trash mobs can be room cleared and make you feel like a Fatalis. I like the idea of vex armour scaling off of something else other than damage dealt to you, Maybe making it more thematic to dragons like credits collected in mission up to a specific amount, once youve gained the full buff you can recast at full strength but if youre downed youll have to rebuilt a percentage like half or a 1/4
Devil's Advocate time! Yeah effigy isn't great but I have managed to make effigy into a status spreading aggro draw Toxin effigy+archon continuity+ nourish... it can actually kill in sorties
I actually find use for Effigy like a sentry turret for static defense objectives, like in mobile defense. Just plonk it on the thing you're supposed to defend, and you're free to roam around and soften everyone up. Probably not effective, but I find it useful for that job.
All i need on chroma is replacing his 1st and 4th ability with completely new ones, the 4th ability credit bonus can be moved to his passive and the element switching can be put on the 2nd ability, and maybe changing the condition for the vex armor damage buff would be fine ig. All we need is Pablo working his magic and making a Hydroid level rework on Chroma. May Lord Pablo save us all
I think the changes on loki were long overdue, a buff for his decoy and a QOL patch for his 3 making him just better in this fast game. I still wish for his conclave decoy to be his regular one, but oh well. Atleast we are getting something. Otherwise, with some new things, like Precision Intensify, you actually can try a few fun things. Like just throw eclipse/roar on his 4, and he gets a 90% buff on it. I got harrows 1 On it, so i can shieldgate and cc for headshots while i´m stealthed. like Super casual Disruption gameplay. Or how about Styanax armor strip? All beautifull options i didn´t even fully explore yet. Chroma is the same, while i think his 1 and 4 require a good overview, generally his function is still strong, especially with his coming augment.
GaMetal for the outro music!?!? I knew you had good taste before, but this is a new level of based! A man after my own heart.... (Also nice video, it was consistently funny, well edited, and brought up good points. Very nicely done.)
1:41 "If Chroma's armor values were higher to hit that point of diminishing returns then heat would be the better pick" Are you forgetting that vex armor boosts armor too? On low strength builds, sure, cold is better, but on anything higher than 300% ability strength the bonus health from heat is more EHP than the extra armor. Once you factor in triple umbral (which you should be running as Chroma) and arcane guardian, the boost you get in damage reduction from your cold buff is at most 2-3%
I do my part... In EVERY DevShorts or DevStream since unveiling of Inaros rework, Ive been in the chat "MAKE CHROMA GREAT AND DRAGON LIKE" "CHROMA NXT"
and right not they announced a change to vex armor due for next week that will fix its issues... now ON TOP of its current function, the buff will be stacked by ranged kills for the damage buff and the armor bonus by melee an ability kills. That means FINALLY chroma will not need to take damage to stack up anymore, but can still do so in situations like boss fights where there is no lesser enemies to kill; its also a way for him to stack up when protected by allies. i just hope it will stack fast enough
My ideas for chroma. Chose element with 2 not 1. His 4 gets same duration as vex armor. No channeled ability anymore. 4 shoots on enemys that are last hit with your rifle doing forced pocs of selected element. Tapping 4 places the dragon to where you aim holding 4 makes him follow you. The dragon gets his own companion mods like khoras vanari. His 1 is now a melee buff that extends range and doing elemental damage as seperate instance like saryn toxic lash. His 2 gives 3 sec invulneranility on cast. Buffs are armor, health, refill ammo by destroying your shields, double shieldgate duration + more shields. Vex armor compatable with roar and eclipse. This should be like a modest powerlevel right now
I one think that spectral scream should be changed into some sort of ability that will spread the chosen element and it stays there for some time lingering, but also it could mix with other elements. Like Gauss' thermal sunder but you can run around while spreading it making the whole place burning with like idk viral or corrosive.
Go heat, throw on power donation, and then grab the xoris with volatile quick return. Add nourish for more energy and more damage. Do a heavy glaive attack. :3
Well this Is not that hard to fix. Just give Effigy a synergy. The Vex Armor damage and resistance buff should apply to the Effigy too and for Elemental Ward just make the Effigy shout out the aura too like main Chroma. As for how to get Vex buffs the new incoming augment should fix It.
Chroma: needs to get hit to slowly build damage reduction with diminishing returns Most warframes: press a button to instantly get total inmunity to damage
Professional backseat dev here, I think they should remove spectral scream and move the flamethrower to a hold skill of his 4 making his flamethrower pelt follow him around, then idk do anything else with his 1
I'd like Spectral Scream to simply have more flash to it. Make it like Spyro's breath and improve the elemental damage with residual hazards or something that could synergize with his other abilities. I have nothing against 'immortal' and 'beeeg dmg' frames, but they're frankly boring if there's no flair or some participation to it. (sorry Mesa)
I feel like I could hear someone say "But 'do damage to get damage' isn't balanced." but they literally did that for Garuda. And now that I realize they did it for her and not Chroma, I am sad.
Hilarious I see this as I'm actively grinding Chroma right now (legit just trying to get Saryn Systems and that's it). Too bad this won't stop me from turning my future Chroma into my WarTohru >:3
Top three warframes that need a touch-up plus one. Chroma, frost, caliban. Atlas is the one I can let slide but I want more ways to collect rocks instead of casting three or four again and again. Even a few powers can be changed so Atlas can pick up his rock wall and use it like a riot shield with able to bash dudes aswell.
His 1 and his 4 are classic victims of Warframe's modding system. Specifically, that weapon modding, and frame modding for non-damage abilities are excellent, with honestly far more depth than I've ever plumbed. And everything else is scrounging for scraps to get as many damage multipliers as guns and melees can.
Yeah, math IS hard. An 87% reduction in damage means you still take 13%. An 91% reduction in damage means you take 9%. However, note my usage of "further": because when you reduce the damage taken from 13% to 9%, you are lowering the damage you take by around 30%. It's absolutely not negligible, but it certainly isn't amazing.
@@nbassasin8092 "who looks at the relative reductions" well you do, in your own Nezha example. "Adaptation further lowers the rest of it as a separate value" means that adaptation reduces the already-reduced value from his 3rd, which is exactly the same calculation I've done here.
@@PrismariLaura I missed the "further." So it's not even a math problem, but an English problem. Even then, why would you arbitrarily decide to "inflate" numbers? That's like saying "Hey, I'm 25% richer after one day of work! I picked up a quarter, bringing my networth to $1.25" At the end of the day, if you're running any content that requires over 80% DR, an extra 3% DR isn't going to matter much, if at all. Especially if you're sacrificing utility. So yes. Negligible. Honestly, I'm convinced you don't even play warframe, either that or you struggle with SP.
@@Meloncholiac I'm an MR30 founder that solos netracell with ease, but sure, whatever makes you feel better. An increase of 30% to damage reduction is a ~45% increase to EHP (as can be seen in his own video, where the EHP multiplier goes from 7.67x to 11x. Do you consider a 45% increase to your survivability "neglibible"?
Wisp's second skill literally combines 3/4 Loki's skills and people say Loki doesn't need a rework... If any other frame was put in same situation there would be outrage, but guess not in Loki's case
Am I the only one who is kina angry that Vex armor is his "main ability"? He is sopoust to be an elemental Fing dragon? Yes he is sopoust to be an unkillable beast but, when you think of a dragon specificly an elemmental one. YOU THINK OF ELEMENTS AND HIS BREATH NOT ARMOR FOR GODS SAKE. REWORK CHROMA AN MAKE HIM A DRAGON KNIGHT LIKE HE IS SOPOUST TO BE!!!
Inaros is in pretty much the same place of having garbage abilities and I've only been using him as a weapon buffing platform exclusively. At least Inaros is getting a much needed rework but really it's just more of the same but with extra CC abilities. Maybe something similar can happen with Chroma but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
helminth nourish on his 4 and gg, if its not enough read his skills description ... been playing since hydroid came out in 2013 its still slaps but less then before just like good old resonance when it first came out i remember doing damage cap number with an half built weapon it was nuts
Vex Armor, while being additive to Serration on most things, is still multiplicative (even at it's new humongous number) on melee *projectiles* like Exodia Contagion, Glaive throws and Glaive heavy explosions. If you're going to use Glaives, it's basically a twice-as-strong Mirage Eclipse that doesn't depend on light. In particular, with a Melee Influence Xoris, this results in... lets just say some funny numbers and a very high killrate. Please watch Moug's Chroma video from around 2 weeks ago.
eclipse is also multiplicative and double dips to contagion so mirage is better for that. for glaives, vex armor double dips but is additive to base damage so really it just adds and then gets squared for some really weird reason, which is slightly better than being multiplicative.
@@chrisboennad6187 interesting, so when a chroma is throwing the glaive, it's not that his vex armor is applied multiplicatively to base damage, it's that the glaives double dip on the vex armor multiplier, meaning it is essentially like being additive and then multiplicative too?
weird, I've always used toxin as my chroma damage type for free armor strip with archon continuity, and to make certain weapons go nuts with the reload buff
In very, and I mean VERY, niche cases the chroma vomit can be used to get an extra status proc for cond overload mods, but other than that he just kinda gets evaporated by literally anything if you're not careful and keeping up on your abilities. Nourish helps him out a LOT buuut that's taking a hit and helmenth is not a valid excuse for dogshit abilities.
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In and out of the ER twice this month was the reason for a lack of anything but I should be good going forward. Thank you for being patient. Vid is probably gonna get kneecaped by the algo because of infrequent uploads so do that "Like and Comment" thing. TY.
It’s great to have you back dude 👍
Supposedly not dying helps you live, so I've heard. Get rest where you need it my guy
hope you're better now!
Hope your AIDS can be cured, miss you!
We need an exalted dragon form that lets you run around as an actual ethereal minster thats nigh unkillable at huge energy drain
Don't talk about my disabled war veteran father that way.
we need tos ave him hes DYING
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for a "dragon frame" all chroma does is puking, shitting and getting a circumcision
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@@eyywannn8601like a dragon
@@lingeprune2373is that a Yakuza reference?
@@Odrime i think chroma just joined Yakuza and now he's better
Chroma: what is my purpose?
Me: profit take credit booster
Chroma: oh my god...
unironically and sadly true
At least he’s good at it if you aren’t a speedrunner
Does it still work I think it's broken
nekros: yeah welcome to the club
@@Dedmos2322 Unlike Chroma, Nekros is actually good.
Funny enough when [DE]Pablo said "Loki master race had its heyday" a few weeks back my first thought was Chroma saying "Am I a joke to you?" XD
So i guess Chroma is getting a mild rework to vex armor soon. Apparently you can charge it with kills soon! Not just from tanking damage anymore!
@@undeadinside3571 Which is great news since people will stop whining about wanting self-damage back SOLELY for Chroma, and also I can finally use a better subsume for Chroma besides Parasitic Armor to take direct damage to his health easily.
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The concept of "Well this warframe had their day so they dont need attention" is such a baffling one, especially ironic given that the incarnon system does something similar for weapons. Havent used the Boltor since 2016? Surprise, now its a full auto shotgun! What a dumb take lol
not to mention its already not like that even if we say they are right
3rd most used frame? Volt prime, frame from the literal release of the game, followed by excal in 4th, Mesa prime in 6th and, again Volt, in 7th, there is more "old" frames in the spotlight than there is newer ones, hell the only newer frame that tops players tierlists consistently is Citrine
Pablo is a strange beast. Like he's very good at what he does, but then just comes out with the most garbage takes imaginable.
That wasn't his reason. That was more of a sidebar to express the passage of time. The reason for not changing Loki, yet, is because no one can think of changes that both make him "better" while not turning him into a room clearing, weapon boosting, AoE God.
His whole point is as a utility frame. This puts him in a similar place to Vauban, but he can cheese stealth instead of ragdolls.
@@chaosgyro He is a trickster frame
so make him super annoying yet powerful
something like, aoe ability from which enemies get double dmg and health but entire squad gets some insanely strong buffs to compensate that buff of enemies
very highrolly type of frame, that would be unique, usable, aaand still in the spirit of him needing to be, well loki
you can also utilise fenrir or jormungadr (definitely butchered that) since those fit the theme as well. Also, the shapeshifting aspect could be utilised to some capacity
its not that no one can think of any changes, its just that they are lazy with that, and also theres no money in changing one of the oldest characters in the game
@@chaosgyro Triburos made a pretty good video about it. Its the problem of more and more enemies resisting, ignoring, or completely shutting down CC, so frames like Loki or Limbo whos pretty much ENTIRE identity is CC have gotten so much worse. Why would you use a CC/ Utility frame when you could just use a nuke frame that kills things so fast that theres no need for CC, especially when nullifiers, overguard, demolitionists, etc all just say "nuh uh" to said CC frames while damage frames just kill things regardless.
"Doing damage to get your damage would be a better buff."
You predicted the future mate.
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@@D1Kwazy chroma got a buff a few patches ago where ranged kills stack the damage buff and melee kills the armor buff
Dragons Dogma 2 came out last night and Sab makes a video about the only Dragon Warframe. Coincidence, I THINK NOT!
Dragon Quest music at the start too lmaooo
@@alexaunkla179Like A Dragon reference while Infinite Wealth-- OK, it came out in January, it ain't a brand-new release anymore but at the same time finishing the average Yakuza/LAD game takes about as long as grinding out base Chroma, I guess?
To this day I still want giant elemental dragon claws as his ult than his stupid Effigy.
We have Valkyr for the claws
@@capt.peehype Valkyr sucks.
Not a good idea. Channeled abilities are detrimental to how he is played. You want to have 100% uptime on Vex Armor after you’ve maxed out its buff as much as possible. If you run out of energy and can’t refresh it, you’re screwed.
So, if you’re also using an ability that is constantly sucking up all your energy, you either will struggle to keep Vex Armor up or you will not have very long to actually use the channeled ability before you must cancel it.
@@CGallerine She has fuck all for range, very niche augments, and two abilities that just don't belong in her kit, she's outdated and needs work.
@@SmoothTurtle840 Skissue
If only his 4th ability turned him into a big muscular dragon
What a totally not horny wording you got there
You have good tastes.
I literally thought of that too like yesterday
Or at least make it like a 2nd sentinel, kinda like how khora has a 2nd cat
That would be an awful idea, not because of it's function or anything but because i really don't need to start simping for a bara dragon warframe rn
Chroma in concept would have been cool.
i wish that someday, when he gets a full rework, there'll be a reason for him to switch his elements mid mission, or at least struggle to choose between the 4. maybe like Voruna he could be a frame who's great at spreading status effects, but instead of focusing on melee, he focuses on guns.
i so desperately want him to get that full rework he deserves.
yes
I’m still looking at Nyx and Banshee at the bottom of the used charts am I’m seriously not understanding how upping them isn’t a priority. The last “buff” Nyx got was being able to roll in her Augmented 4 and it’s still slow as molasses.
Reb is a Nyx main and when asked last year about Nyx getting tweaks her response was "Nyx is already very strong." No bias here.
@@SabuuchiI seriously just want them to up the target cap on her 2, maybe fire it in a cone in front, make it a permanent strip, anything. 6 target cap AND limited duration is absurd. I'm not sure quite where you'd start on her other stuff, but her 2 at least has VERY obvious fixes you could do to it to make it far less cumbersome.
@@KamuiOmega I've been playing Nyx lately and some improvements I could think of is making Mind Control either permanent or allow multiple targets, to emphasize that she's the de facto psychic frame. I've been playing around with a 'minion build' that focuses on Mind Control and Synoid Heliocor, and duration is a bother in both cases. Similarly Ballistica Prime's passive needs a longer duration to be any useful.
Agreed on Psychic Bolts. I replaced it with Fire Blast, which pretty much does the same thing with more targets. Psychic bolts needs a buff.
I'm not sure what to do with Absorb. Sure, it's good for survival, but the lack of mobility kinda goes against Warframe's current playstyle.
Can we have her 4 augment scale move speed with strength? Ivara can do it; why not Nyx?
Also, love when Psychic Bolts curve around the target directly in front of me, in favor of a Bucher that hasn't entered the room yet.
Storn for Warframe bback then but with content expectating more from the players were going to be pushed to either run meta frames everyone and their mothers run and used while lower tier frames continue to be used less and less. Limbo WAS a atrong frane, todays content typically having a limbo can hinder the squad. But I'd love to see a rework and many frames with the warframe 2024 mindset rather than a 2019 mindset @@Sabuuchi
you know what. make chroma's 1st work like a dnd dragon. Have it just be bonkers powerful, like, you WANT to use it every chance you get. It'll clear a room, but it's on a cooldown that only goes down faster as you use abilities.
At least maybe I'll use it now and again for the slightest spice of variety in his kit
Funny you say that. I've been personally pondering the expanded usage of Cooldowns in WF Kits. It's another one of those inconsistencies of DE design. They really use it intermittently. They really need to clearly define if we have ults or 4th abilities. If we have ults the level of spam people tend to do with certain ones is kind of ridiculous. Stynax spam immediately comes to mind. Power is fine but if the old press 4 to win meta, or just the general way most players try to do, taught us is that if you give the power you have to have appropriate limiters otherwise people will abuse it.
The continued Voosh jumpscare
Wasn't ready for sudden Vorsh
True elemental Lord is Lavos,Chroma weeping
Pretty much yeah
Ok the heyday post. I’m not asking for balls to the walls OP bs like some forums posters do. All I want is purpose & synergies. I don’t want muh god tier power fantasy where the frame is OP & completely tops the usage charts. I just want them to comfortably handle A niche. Just one. At least one. Certain frames just need some ability or abilities tweaked. Not all frames need reworks on the level of Hydroid. Grendel level of added values & synergies is fine. Chroma, Banshee, fuck Valkyr just need her stance updated and that would address 70% of her problems.
I think the problem is down to how the game is fundamentally designed. If we didn’t go the dps route for Loki he would still be unused because why would you play a frame with less efficiency at killing things even if the benefit is some fun crowd control shenanigans. Otherwise you’d see limbo mains running around freezing every enemy in place.
I think for now Loki does need to be untouched until the game starts to change how to approach hordes. Because rn damage + range is the meta and has been for a while
I do agree tho what you hope to expect. If his rework was just to make his kit more effective with mobility + cc I would be happy, but unfortunately players want the maximum amount of deeps a frame can dish out no matter their role
Add Loki and Nyx to that list.
Oberon tops that list
he is already great, he just needs numbers/mechanics changes and he would be amazing
my boi has been butchered to hell and back and I want a goddamn rework.
If this year Chroma won't get a rework I will personally go to DE's HQ and place down 300000 chroma statues until either he will get one, or I get arrested.
I loved my dragon boi pre plains of eidolon. Eidolon hunts felt so fun with chroma tho because you felt like a monster hunter dealing crap tons of damage to big bosses. However, DE proceeded to nerf chroma's vex armor for a stupid reason and its been downhill since then.
I do hope we get a rework to him on his 1 and 4 at minimum. Such a cool concept but needs help, like really needs help.
I feel like one simple change they could do to his 1 would be to just have it work similarly to the augmented 1s for Volt/Ember/etc. Add the equivalent of an elemental damage mod to your (maybe allies by default, maybe require an augment) weapon, or even better make it work like Toxic Lash as a separate damage tick that force-procs the relevant status. This way it is actually useful, can help give you some variation in your damage elements/modding, and you can potentially swap around for specific things, like putting Cold procs on a Demolyst/Eximus, or giving yourself the Heat buff for the damage but using the Cold or Electric Ward buff.
make it proc 10 status effects of chosen element every second, or every 5 or find the sweet numer for it, and make it scale with strength (more procs with more strenght). and not just to the first target but to the ones that it chains to
that way it would be gimmicky and fun, while having some potency
You and Trib bullying Pablo into giving Loki more tweaks was wild tho. Can we please do Ember after Chroma?
Yes pleeeass
Banshee needs it so much more
Banshee, Nyx and Trinity need help far more than Ember does.
Why his 1 wasn't changed into an explosive fuckoff projectile I'll never understand.
Although to be honest all it would take is a reversion of the Vex Armor nerf.
When I heard "Buff Chroma" at first, I was wondering if everyone decided to collectively eat glue and put their head in a microwave (especially as someone that mains Oberon).
But you did open my eyes Sabuuchi. I guess I was also stuck in 2015 even if I didn't play Warframe back then (and maybe also why I mostly play Oberon). Warframe evolves and there's a reason why older frames are getting reworks here and there, even if they aren't put in place to increase their power level.
you should try oberon with hunter ammunition quick thinking , and the aura that damage you when you kill ennemy, its really nice
Ive got one simple trick to make chroma better, give him a massive ass dragon susano like thing as his exalted weapon instead of his current 4. How would it work? Idk
Maybe give him an exalted frame, similar to sevagoth. Spectral scream becomes an exalted weapon, still an ability at base, but a normal recharging ammo weapon in his new form. Then either give him a new kit in exalted form or make all of the abilities empowered while exalted (and bis one a bost to his scream since it would be hos "gun")
I think you need to watch Something other than Naruto 👀
Tell Rex we said hi, too.
My wf profile would tell that I used Chroma 48% of my playtime, as I did use him almost since he was added.
Sabuuchi, I thank you for making that vid, as right now Chroma really feels like a one-button frame with a nice visual design. "Weapon platform" :tm:
Having a use for his abilities on T1 Lith? Nah, thanks.
And if you lose that one button due to nullies or dozing out from the gameplay loop, you just fart and respawn.
don't worry nyx, your time will come.
"cries in corner"
But mr. Sabuuchi! Toxin ward deals 5% of an enemy's maximum health! Its scales with enemy, and thus can be taken to level cap alone!
I kill steel path corpus just fine with his toxin.
His spectral scream does have one singular use: Toxin+Archon Continuity is an...okayish primer and corrosive spreader. Granted, you can only use melee when using it though, so I recommend either running with a Status weapon with healing return (or Sancti Magistar), change element to Frost for his Ward, giving him two Green shards for armor strip, and then just start punching dudes.
Is it a good overall strategy? Not really. Is it very niche? Indeed. But its how I personally play him and its the only way that makes me feel like I'm having a modicum of fun with him.
Personally though, if I were to make changes on him it would be 4 changes:
1. Allow use of normal weapons while Spectral Scream is active (and maybe an augment to let you add its element to your weapon). Either that, or allow the scream to benefit from equipped primary mods and arcanes (like a Primary Psuedo-Exalt), or just make it an Exalted Beam Weapon
2. Allow the casting and stacking of multiple Elemental Ward types (and make them refreshable like Titania's buff wheel), so that he can actually be the "master of elements" he was supposed to be before Lavos stole his lunch money.
3. Increase the status chance on Elemental Ward's auras, or at the very least increase the Strength scaling on the status chance. Making it feasible to spread Heat procs on the ward could open up lots of interesting build ideas and concepts. Out of all the suggested changes though I'd be fine with not getting this one if the other three go through.
4. Just rework his 4 so that either its an attack cast like Sevagoth, or instead of draining Energy it either creates or stores energy when it attacks someone in order to justify the reduction to your armor and health. OR do something else with it, because as it stands its my go to ability to subsume off of him, because having TWO worthless draining abilities is just a real kick in the balls.
I really hope that his 1 becomes a projectile instead of a breath so that you still can fire it from range as youre running Narrow minded.
I never understood why his 2 only locks you into one of the abilities. DE please let us hold the button to cast all of them at once. By themselves the buffs arent good enough but combine them and its actually decent
The best part is that DE still remembers that he is there. Nah, not a small rework but a skin is what we got. Poor lizard..
I just came back to wf a few days ago after a 2+ years break and chroma prime is one of my only two primes(harrow prime the other), standing proud from my other non-prime frames, and i see this... 😢
I searched for any Chroma related content because when Chroma was released, after grinding to unlock it that was when I left Warframe and went into Destiny. Early 10 years later I’m now considering grinding Destiny 2 and getting back into Warframe
dude same
I remember being so let down I just dipped
but I'm back now
Just a few ideas to give chroma some new life. If elemental ward was more like a nourish or xatas whisper but for heat, cold, electric and toxin. The effigy should follow the warframe and stun like it does but it uses all its elements for status spreading support. As for spectral scream I have no idea, maybe make it a psuedo exatled and increase its range dramatically so that high level trash mobs can be room cleared and make you feel like a Fatalis. I like the idea of vex armour scaling off of something else other than damage dealt to you, Maybe making it more thematic to dragons like credits collected in mission up to a specific amount, once youve gained the full buff you can recast at full strength but if youre downed youll have to rebuilt a percentage like half or a 1/4
I heavily agree with the fatalis part!
Devil's Advocate time!
Yeah effigy isn't great but I have managed to make effigy into a status spreading aggro draw
Toxin effigy+archon continuity+ nourish... it can actually kill in sorties
I actually find use for Effigy like a sentry turret for static defense objectives, like in mobile defense.
Just plonk it on the thing you're supposed to defend, and you're free to roam around and soften everyone up.
Probably not effective, but I find it useful for that job.
I can kill in steel path without nourish.
Hey I recognize that outro music anywhere! Love Venus Lighthouse remixes
All i need on chroma is replacing his 1st and 4th ability with completely new ones, the 4th ability credit bonus can be moved to his passive and the element switching can be put on the 2nd ability, and maybe changing the condition for the vex armor damage buff would be fine ig. All we need is Pablo working his magic and making a Hydroid level rework on Chroma. May Lord Pablo save us all
Just make him fly and change his effigy into idk him turning into an actual faqing dragon
every time im reminded of chroma's existence, the only thing i can think of is his "hehe triple jump" passive ability
I am shocked that you used that Spyro subway image knowing full well what was happening in the unedited version. 😂😂😂
He's my go-to frame when I do my weekly solo archon hunts
Nooooo not that spyro picture. oh god, i didnt want that memory unlocked! Ugh
One day the dragon will fly, he still baby
NGL, I only ever noticed Toxin Ward for the reload speed buff and was very confused when you were talking about it giving damage.
I think the changes on loki were long overdue, a buff for his decoy and a QOL patch for his 3 making him just better in this fast game.
I still wish for his conclave decoy to be his regular one, but oh well. Atleast we are getting something.
Otherwise, with some new things, like Precision Intensify, you actually can try a few fun things. Like just throw eclipse/roar on his 4, and he gets a 90% buff on it.
I got harrows 1 On it, so i can shieldgate and cc for headshots while i´m stealthed. like Super casual Disruption gameplay.
Or how about Styanax armor strip? All beautifull options i didn´t even fully explore yet.
Chroma is the same, while i think his 1 and 4 require a good overview, generally his function is still strong, especially with his coming augment.
Honestly, chroma is not in such a bad spot like trinity is. I mean, when did anyone last see people use her?
When she could one shot SP thumpers with a bug on the well of life with explosions until not too long ago when it got patched
I wish chromas effigy counted as a buff source for vex armor and elemental ward
His 1 should just spit the element he’s selected onto his weapon like venom dose shock trooper etc
my thoughts aswell
but perhaps synergy with 2 making a combined element
GaMetal for the outro music!?!? I knew you had good taste before, but this is a new level of based! A man after my own heart.... (Also nice video, it was consistently funny, well edited, and brought up good points. Very nicely done.)
Now you gotta redo this video. Thanks DE
1:41 "If Chroma's armor values were higher to hit that point of diminishing returns then heat would be the better pick"
Are you forgetting that vex armor boosts armor too? On low strength builds, sure, cold is better, but on anything higher than 300% ability strength the bonus health from heat is more EHP than the extra armor.
Once you factor in triple umbral (which you should be running as Chroma) and arcane guardian, the boost you get in damage reduction from your cold buff is at most 2-3%
Chroma needs rework desperately, alongside Loki, Nyx , Banshee and Loki. They're all frames that haven't been touched in years and it shows.
1:13… I hate that I recognize the background image, but I’m thankful it’s not the cheesegrater.
I do my part... In EVERY DevShorts or DevStream since unveiling of Inaros rework, Ive been in the chat "MAKE CHROMA GREAT AND DRAGON LIKE" "CHROMA NXT"
and right not they announced a change to vex armor due for next week that will fix its issues... now ON TOP of its current function, the buff will be stacked by ranged kills for the damage buff and the armor bonus by melee an ability kills. That means FINALLY chroma will not need to take damage to stack up anymore, but can still do so in situations like boss fights where there is no lesser enemies to kill; its also a way for him to stack up when protected by allies. i just hope it will stack fast enough
Can we bully DE into removing Conclave and moving the cosmetic rewards to Steel Path and the rest of the mods to Nightwave?
My ideas for chroma. Chose element with 2 not 1. His 4 gets same duration as vex armor. No channeled ability anymore. 4 shoots on enemys that are last hit with your rifle doing forced pocs of selected element. Tapping 4 places the dragon to where you aim holding 4 makes him follow you. The dragon gets his own companion mods like khoras vanari. His 1 is now a melee buff that extends range and doing elemental damage as seperate instance like saryn toxic lash. His 2 gives 3 sec invulneranility on cast. Buffs are armor, health, refill ammo by destroying your shields, double shieldgate duration + more shields. Vex armor compatable with roar and eclipse. This should be like a modest powerlevel right now
During Pax reb did mention they have their eyes on another warframe on getting a rework soon... maybe Chroma? or Frost? or... Valkyr?
I one think that spectral scream should be changed into some sort of ability that will spread the chosen element and it stays there for some time lingering, but also it could mix with other elements. Like Gauss' thermal sunder but you can run around while spreading it making the whole place burning with like idk viral or corrosive.
Go heat, throw on power donation, and then grab the xoris with volatile quick return. Add nourish for more energy and more damage. Do a heavy glaive attack. :3
i didnt need to be reminded of subway spyro. i was drinking man, now my keyboard is a mess.
Well this Is not that hard to fix. Just give Effigy a synergy. The Vex Armor damage and resistance buff should apply to the Effigy too and for Elemental Ward just make the Effigy shout out the aura too like main Chroma. As for how to get Vex buffs the new incoming augment should fix It.
As a Chroma main... bullying works. After this video dropped, he got a new Augment and Vex Armour changes... Well done!
Chroma: needs to get hit to slowly build damage reduction with diminishing returns
Most warframes: press a button to instantly get total inmunity to damage
toxin chroma its actually strong
Professional backseat dev here, I think they should remove spectral scream and move the flamethrower to a hold skill of his 4 making his flamethrower pelt follow him around, then idk do anything else with his 1
I'd like Spectral Scream to simply have more flash to it. Make it like Spyro's breath and improve the elemental damage with residual hazards or something that could synergize with his other abilities. I have nothing against 'immortal' and 'beeeg dmg' frames, but they're frankly boring if there's no flair or some participation to it. (sorry Mesa)
I feel like I could hear someone say "But 'do damage to get damage' isn't balanced." but they literally did that for Garuda. And now that I realize they did it for her and not Chroma, I am sad.
That end clip is peak
The MIGHTY SEER let's chroma deal infinity plus two damage
Man I really need to change the battery on that smoker detector
Hilarious I see this as I'm actively grinding Chroma right now (legit just trying to get Saryn Systems and that's it). Too bad this won't stop me from turning my future Chroma into my WarTohru >:3
Top three warframes that need a touch-up plus one. Chroma, frost, caliban. Atlas is the one I can let slide but I want more ways to collect rocks instead of casting three or four again and again. Even a few powers can be changed so Atlas can pick up his rock wall and use it like a riot shield with able to bash dudes aswell.
1:14
How dare you remind me this exists.
This video appeared on my feed and reminded me that Chroma is one of the Warframes ever. Yeah...
I can't believe Sab would pants Pablo in front of the school like that SHM my head
His 1 and his 4 are classic victims of Warframe's modding system. Specifically, that weapon modding, and frame modding for non-damage abilities are excellent, with honestly far more depth than I've ever plumbed. And everything else is scrounging for scraps to get as many damage multipliers as guns and melees can.
1:52 I personally wouldn't call a further reduction of 30% damage *negligible*, but it certainly isn't amazing.
That's 3%, not 30%. 87% DR, to a whopping 90% DR. So yeah. Negligible.
Yeah, math IS hard.
An 87% reduction in damage means you still take 13%.
An 91% reduction in damage means you take 9%.
However, note my usage of "further": because when you reduce the damage taken from 13% to 9%, you are lowering the damage you take by around 30%.
It's absolutely not negligible, but it certainly isn't amazing.
@@nbassasin8092 "who looks at the relative reductions" well you do, in your own Nezha example. "Adaptation further lowers the rest of it as a separate value" means that adaptation reduces the already-reduced value from his 3rd, which is exactly the same calculation I've done here.
@@PrismariLaura I missed the "further." So it's not even a math problem, but an English problem. Even then, why would you arbitrarily decide to "inflate" numbers? That's like saying "Hey, I'm 25% richer after one day of work! I picked up a quarter, bringing my networth to $1.25"
At the end of the day, if you're running any content that requires over 80% DR, an extra 3% DR isn't going to matter much, if at all. Especially if you're sacrificing utility. So yes. Negligible. Honestly, I'm convinced you don't even play warframe, either that or you struggle with SP.
@@Meloncholiac I'm an MR30 founder that solos netracell with ease, but sure, whatever makes you feel better.
An increase of 30% to damage reduction is a ~45% increase to EHP (as can be seen in his own video, where the EHP multiplier goes from 7.67x to 11x. Do you consider a 45% increase to your survivability "neglibible"?
1:14
WHAT-
NO WHA- REPEAT THAT!!
REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID!!!
Wisp's second skill literally combines 3/4 Loki's skills and people say Loki doesn't need a rework...
If any other frame was put in same situation there would be outrage, but guess not in Loki's case
Hey Sabuuchi are we gonna talk about that background image at 1:13?
Am I the only one who is kina angry that Vex armor is his "main ability"? He is sopoust to be an elemental Fing dragon? Yes he is sopoust to be an unkillable beast but, when you think of a dragon specificly an elemmental one. YOU THINK OF ELEMENTS AND HIS BREATH NOT ARMOR FOR GODS SAKE. REWORK CHROMA AN MAKE HIM A DRAGON KNIGHT LIKE HE IS SOPOUST TO BE!!!
Inaros is in pretty much the same place of having garbage abilities and I've only been using him as a weapon buffing platform exclusively. At least Inaros is getting a much needed rework but really it's just more of the same but with extra CC abilities. Maybe something similar can happen with Chroma but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
helminth nourish on his 4 and gg, if its not enough read his skills description ... been playing since hydroid came out in 2013 its still slaps but less then before just like good old resonance when it first came out i remember doing damage cap number with an half built weapon it was nuts
Vex Armor, while being additive to Serration on most things, is still multiplicative (even at it's new humongous number) on melee *projectiles* like Exodia Contagion, Glaive throws and Glaive heavy explosions. If you're going to use Glaives, it's basically a twice-as-strong Mirage Eclipse that doesn't depend on light. In particular, with a Melee Influence Xoris, this results in... lets just say some funny numbers and a very high killrate. Please watch Moug's Chroma video from around 2 weeks ago.
eclipse is also multiplicative and double dips to contagion so mirage is better for that. for glaives, vex armor double dips but is additive to base damage so really it just adds and then gets squared for some really weird reason, which is slightly better than being multiplicative.
@@chrisboennad6187 interesting, so when a chroma is throwing the glaive, it's not that his vex armor is applied multiplicatively to base damage, it's that the glaives double dip on the vex armor multiplier, meaning it is essentially like being additive and then multiplicative too?
yes@@felix_patriot
Chroma Prime > All
oh wow he actually did it...
weird, I've always used toxin as my chroma damage type for free armor strip with archon continuity, and to make certain weapons go nuts with the reload buff
still love em. Vex can be nearly multiplicative if you mod right. Double jump is fun. Helminth the 1 and use 4 for extra move speed.
I cannot believe I’ve been playing the game since 2015. I wish I could go back to when I knew nothing about the game
Wait wait wait... THE VENUS LIGHTHOUSE REMIX???
If you subsume his 1 you can't adjust his element in the many many many many many situations where it bugs and ignores your emission.
Pain
bullying gets results
also based question about caliban
I'd like Chroma to at least have a similar passive to Hydroid's new passive where it buffs each of the elements he has
All chroma is waiting for next augment: takes damage for teammate
They needa show Among Us Boy Caliban some help
I'd sooner bring rex into SP than chroma, at least Rex is a cutie patootie
2:28 Vaush mentioned Vaush mentioned
In very, and I mean VERY, niche cases the chroma vomit can be used to get an extra status proc for cond overload mods, but other than that he just kinda gets evaporated by literally anything if you're not careful and keeping up on your abilities. Nourish helps him out a LOT buuut that's taking a hit and helmenth is not a valid excuse for dogshit abilities.
Literally no one with gray matter in their brain is using Chroma's 1 for CO when secondaries and recently buffed sentinels exist. Literally zero.
nyx in the corner being ignored...
i miss you nyx