Me when I'm in a "Make an absolute dogshit Warframe build with the most unwarranted confidence" competition and my opponent is ThEMoon85. Dude is honestly probably the one person most responsible for making Overframe as badly reputed as it is, because he ABSOLUTELY is manipulating something to ensure his builds are always at the highest popularity. That and he has the world's most easily bruised ego. Literally seen the dude trying to start beef with other people because they questioned something on one of his builds.
i wouldn't be surprised if that guy bots his own overframe votes. all of his builds get massive numbers like he's a fucking celebrity or something, but when it comes to his comments there are usually like 0-10 of them. at the absolute maximum there's like 30-40 comments. where the fuck are the hundreds or even thousands of voters?
@@Sabuuchi just curious, why don't you think Vauban should be A tier? His flechette orb stacks with enemy level and overdrive with empower. You can also empower each flechette orb if you like. It is one of the few frames I think will be able to scale effortlessly in missions like survival and defense.
if theres anything ive learned from watching various warframe youtubers: its that literally everyone says that literally everyone else's builds are trash. use what you enjoy friends. dont listen to any of these guys.
Most of the points he makes are valid though. I agree play what you want but if you're going to go on a website and post your builds being like "this is the best build ever" and are wasting slots on useless stuff, people should point that out.
@@NeightrixPrime that actually is part of the reason I agree with sab dunking on the builds- He's mostly reacting to the top builds on the site, and if someone doesn't know what makes a build good or bad they're just going to use the top build on the site assuming "hey it's at the top it must be good." They should learn what makes builds good or bad but these builds is just going to teach them the wrong lessons.
@@NeightrixPrime But still, even then, its always appreaciated when someone knows how to do the math and shares a min/maxed build for endgame, and not everyone is capable to cook those builds. Buried along the thousands of trash builds in overframe you can find some pretty well written guides that just work, it's just a tiny part of them. Even if you know your stuff, some warframes have more layers and interactions that i didn't know how to exploit, and that's when some of these builds are genuinely interesting. It's just there is no real way to curate top builds in such a site.
I'm just glad we get more time with xaxu to ourselves. He's right, the gig's probably up when prime comes out and the community learns how to mod him correctly.
So I can actually explain the tier lists(kinda)! Someone on the Brozime stream commented that the ratings aren't purged or reset, so for frames like Yareli and Grendel they aren't reset after their reworks and fixes. The updates I believe just add the new votes, rather than removing the old ones. Apologies if this is incorrect, but Overframe is also completely inscrutable and doesnt even show the number of votes. This also isn't a defense, to be clear; it's further condemnation.
Went over this in the vid. They are updated regularly and are averaged out by new votes. Most are still reflective on where the community places them overall.
@@Sabuuchi eh unless we have a higher weighting on new votes that’s still kinda taking on all the votes a frame still previously had and knowing Warframe players they aren’t going to vote twice or as you’re implying change their stubborn mind on frames even after relatively good changes
@@Sabuuchito be fair I don’t think that most people who were initially outraged by how shit these frames were are going to go back and correct their votes.
@@pixelmaster9964 also people arnt really going to go back and shit on an old good frame, Equi is still A because of legacy votes unbalanced with newer votes
@@Sabuuchi unfortunately, being "averaged out" just means that the large number of old votes submitted over many years or on the initial release far outnumber the new votes put in. Look at the votes for grendel and yareli and you can see a huge chunk of D rank votes that outnumber the rest, but still a large chunk off votes for the higher tiers as well. People just dont change their votes that they made in outrage.
so this is how not to build, but why? all i see is "haha this is awful" and then it switches to something else to repeat. This is my first time on channel, how do I know you know these are bad if all you give is "its bad cuz said so"
Not really about being an elitist. If you're new this probably doesn't make any sense and fair enough. But if you've played warframe and the frames in particular for this video you can pretty quickly tell why the builds are terrible just based off the abilities of those frames. If you are not new then you probably know why they're bad at a glance for the most part. Some of them had more redundancy than atlas with sure footed
Yeah, I clicked on this video to find out why Overframe is bad. But all I got was "lol this build sux"/"who uses this shit?" etc. No explanations, just typical low-effort content. Sure, maybe he has a better understanding of Warframe than most players. But it seems he'd rather sit on a high chair and laugh at everyone instead of being helpful. Awful video, IMO.
@@adri745k I am very confused about this statement, are you talking hollow knight? is the wayward compass in hollow knight somehow op? how is psf op also lmao
The site allowing me to skip bullshit theatrics of creators on youtube alone instantly makes it better without even factoring in people line Ninjase just has better builds than anything you'd find on TH-cam.
@@error_3754 not even close to a god. just a dubious little creature with soft cc and no innate damage potential, completely beholden to the power of a weapon you're using. Doesn't have own survivability and damage, which Yareli has in spades, on top of CC, and that leaves her with a helminth slot to do even more insane shit. Loki has his use, but in no universe is he better.
To be fair, the reason you use tempest barage with green Shards is because you put on Viral Tempest to get viral, corrosive, heat with just abilities. That will trigger Manifold Bond on Nautalis' cordon, which is really strong for protea. It works, but there are a lot of other alternatives.
huh maybe youre right. that makes sense actually. But then wouldnt the turrets have barely any use since youll probably end up killing enemies with tempest barrage in the first place? also Nautilus' cordon isnt really the best of grouping if your playstyle is to stay far and safe. Oh yeah protea's 1 also already gives slash status no?
@@rivershen8954I like Sab don’t get me wrong but the protea triple green shards with viral tempest barrage makes even deep archedea a joke turret do millions of heat damage and your basically unkillable with no energy issues ever sooooooo
@@aDESTROYER_50 2 green shards is enough. Also as Tryburos says, and i paraphrase, "Even if you do a million damage per shot, if the enemy realistically only has 50k HP, youre still only doing 50k damage"
@@halcyon1644 Yup, he's one of the few where Gloom is objectively a good choice. He can keep it up easily, Gloom counteracts Terrify's running away mechanic and he can use Arcane Eruption alongside Gloom for shutting down entire rooms without having to do anything but just kill stuff. Him and Banshee are like the 2 frames that really make sense for Gloom, don't get why it's so popular on Saryn to be honest, and I even removed it from Sevagoth coz there was more fun/better stuff to run on him.
@NinjaSyao I'd wager it's used on Saryn so much because she's both insanely good at killing things, the amount she can heal with it is _stupid_ based on that metric.
@@laynegrey2003it’s because the enemies don’t have to be in range of gloom for life steal to function, so gloom can keep her healed from spores that are still spreading four rooms over. It won’t save her in really long endurance runs but for most content it’s comfortable. The new Eclipse for 75% DR is probably better now since it lets her shields stay up longer, but old gloom builds still at least function.
Garuda is actually really good with Gloom because with that and her 3 you have infinite energy and almost infinite health since she can attack easily multiple enemies with her 1 and 4
@@xrufus7x468Also because not everyone wants to just be literally unkillable all the time, I do, but only if it took effort. Which is why I haven't touched Octavia since leveling the first time, waaay too easy
Yeah assuming the person building her was going for hysteria and it was a recent build it would be best to instead use precision intensify + augur secrets to balance out the other abilities instead of dropping 2 umbra forma to increase umbral intensify, it would make her 4 stronger + give her the augur bonus on the off chance you whip a rifle out and your shields pop
The problem with Overframe tier list is, as told in the video, that it is more of a popularity contest than an actual metric of performance (Ignis S tier lol). Also, in my opinion, the list has too little tiers and it makes the existing tiers have not much consistency.
And there is a problem with the definition of tiers; what makes a weapon "the best of the best"? Its accessiblity? Its biggest possible dps? How many formas and/or how much of a setup it takes for it to be SP/lvl cap viable? Or is it the combination of it all? This makes it hard to accurately give a weapon/frame its rating, hence the proble with Overframe tier list.
It's also, just, like. Some weapons have a one thing they do good. The ones that delete the new deimos disruption necramechs, for example - is that what you want to run outside of that? hell no lmao And at the same time, if you just wanna run SP survival or something, you can take just about any weapon, slap it on a Saryn built as a weapons platform (strength, range, shield gate, subsume xata's or roar depending on weapon) and make dudes explode. Long as it's got some way to hit lots of dudes, at least.
The real explanation is that old votes don't go away. Ignis wraith was amazing for a long period of time, but people don't remove or change their old votes, so it sits there. This explains a vast majority of the discrepancies. Previously good but super dated and outclassed warframe like loki, oberron, and trinity are still rated highly. Warframe released super bad like grendel and yareli, so people voted badly, and then didnt change votes when they were reworked and buffed. I dont expect people to be perfectly accurate in their votes, but this issue of not deleting old votes is causing the vast majority of misplacements.
The worst part is phantasma that's under It in A tier, the phantasma that can proc heat so fast that steel path enemies are easily deleted unlike ignis and has infinite punch-trhough
Another issue is that they don't refresh it, which means if a frame gets reworked, the tier list doesn't care after seven years of D-rank votes, Hydroid.
Pillage actually counts as a channeled ability while it is deployed (before you gain your shields from it). That's 4 channel ability Hildryn with Intention, that's hilarious. Intention also heals you when it activates, meaning Pillage periodically working is actually great.
1 tau isn't terrible tbh, her base armor is laughable (thus Umbral Fiber is bad) yet she usually functions as a healthtank. with +1 tau her armor goes from 135 -> 360, aka DR from 31% -> 54.5%. if you opt not to do this you are effectively taking 1.5x damage on health (from taking 45.5% dmg to 69% (nice)), or having to make up for it with Arcane Guardian or Health Conversion. or pillagetank or something but you get my point
I'd argue that Ignis (Wraith), is good for the entire game with a few exceptions. Torrid incarnon is clearly just better than it but is a different kind of weapon. And as is increasingly clear, many people don't even touch steel path and even fewer do it outside of the daily steel path missions. People need to realize that "The steel path" isn't some boogie man that's going to stomp their ass, with a decent build they'll easily roll most of it.
@@attaug Yeah Ignis Wraith has no problem on Steel Path clearing 95% of the mobs. With an armor strip it can even go to significantly higher levels of SP. It's kinda bad at killing Eximus units but you can literally just fix that issue by bringing a secondary or melee that kills them easier.
only good in star path and early steel path is almost the entire warframe arsenal, its not a useful metric. At that point a decently modded lato (not prime, no incarnon) can probably take you pretty far.
@@doublereel-real so? it still takes some time to unlock steelpath, you need to do every single planet node. and even after, the ignis will still be good, it just wont be the best gun ever. and if you are using a frame that can armor strip, then this isnt even a discussion anymore, since pretty much anything besides the stugg will still be enough for the entirety of steel path.
The problem with overframe is that both builds and tierlist are based of total votes, with most of them being years old and not updated/re-voted. Some builds on the "top weapons" havent been updated in years,for example the number 1 build for acceltra before acceltra prime released didnt use galvanized mods, and it had over 300 votes compared to the second one.
You're absolutely right, you get a lot of stuff like that. Like yareli on release was originally voted in D tier and she has been powered up like crazy and many people have just not bothered changing their votes. So she's C because of vote weighting. Also, I assume many people vote based on memory and what they've heard, not played, of a frame. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the "mag is shit" meme from 500 million years ago still has effect on Mag's placement.
next time you have a problem with a build, maybe tell us why? not make us feel like a bunch of fools sitting here and thinking "that build looks fine, whats wrong with it?"
I consider myself an oberon fan, i bought his prime access back in the day, the fact that he is even looking at A tier is a fucking crime. His only redeeming quality right now is his saving throw augment for his entire team, thats it. He's completely outclassed by Styanax and is probably about to be outclassed again by jade
I mean, hes also completely outclassed by Citrine. Citrine doesnt have to pay Energy to give Regeneration, she gives Regen in Affinity Range, she can give 90% DR in Affinity range, Health Orbs basically on command, and force Red Crits with her 4. If you throw Pillage over her 3 you also get Armor Strip, Shield Strip and Status Cleanse. its really sad to see how Goat boy has fallen over the years, I remember Oberon being my second ever built frame, back when I started in 2017.
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers In the barest defence of Oberon, he can heal way more than Citrine, but that's about it. It really sucks, Oberon was basically what convinced me to keep playing. I miss the carpet so much.
Literally Oberon has 1 job currently and that's in plague star lazy meta runs as mindnumbingly simple armor strip of the boss, as wisp (assuming you can find 1 that's not a shock trolling scrub) can out do the passive regen by a lot and the 2 main overguard frames can provide more active survivability It isn't a bad frame it's just been made obsolete by more modern frames just like frost and equinox where they aren't bad it's just there is something better for the job they used to be used for
The reason for the "future meta" tag on the tenet glaxion isn't for the build itself, but rather the slated changes to the cold status effect potentially allowing for the freezing of entire squads.
i just use this site to 1. question why people built something the way they did and 2. dread how much forma im gonna have to dunk on a shitty weapon JUST because i had a horrible shower "what if" moment
I'm in the second phase, and somehow find enjoyment with it ahah) I just simply don't want to run same set of weapons. I've paid for my slots Imma use em all damn it!
love seeing this while I'm desperately trying not to give in to investing 15 forma into the kulstar as my yareli weapon instead of the currently crafting akarius prime
Equinox got a buff with Jade Shadows update. Damage rework and secondary fortifier arcane gives her more survivability. Equinox with Overguard +Energy Transfer Augment lets you build shield until you’re ready to pop maim. Been experimenting with solo steel path and you can very quickly build 2.5 mil damage as long as you have a weapon that doesn’t require damage buffs prior to being able to kill. The main drawback is you need good energy efficiency or a way to supplement it. She really excels in Ascension and High Level SP Circuit runs. She’s not perfect now, but also not dead weight.
I agree on this tier list being wrong and having to many frames in A and B tier. Everyone should be and C tier and Limbo should be the only one in S tier.
I never thought to go all in on Range for Zephyr, I wanted Duration just so her three could last longer. I gotta go back in the kitchen and cook. EDIT: Also Equilibrium good, cope.
Heres my problem with the Overframe Hate, Yes it has many problems, but there is not a single other source of Text ,or picture based build guides out there. I despise watching 5-10 minute videos so some youtuber can explain a build when i can just read a description. There is no competition to Overframe, it has a monopoly over this part of the Warframe build space. So yes feel free to complain about how shit the website is, but until you or someone else makes a better one, i will still use it.
warframe isn't even that overly complicated unless you are specifically gunning for min-max shenanigans out of boredom. i maybe used overframe twice if only to get a point of reference on how to build a certain frame.
And people are extremists, every build in this video can complete SP, so they are not trash. People use those words for everything that isnt meta slave
@@el_androi1203 Correction, invest 4 purple shards on EVERY warframe. Why are you wasting a mod slot on a mod you already have upgraded and that can be used on every frame AT THE SAME TIME? /s
7:06 This is actually a super nice playstyle for Protea that I actually just used today to easily solo Elite Archimedia. You use Tempest Barrage with green shards and the augment to apply corrosive & viral and armor strip the enemies, and then the blaze turrets take care of the rest. Trust me, they cooked! 😂
100%, ninjase is one of the few people who genuinely know how to build and can explain his builds to people who don't know how to build. he's an actually good source of knowledge, and he's active in the official warframe discord server's builds channel. he's always happy to assist there... he's not a bad guy at all.
Hey there! I'm actually the person who made one of the Caliban and Yareli builds in this video. Thanks for talking over some of my builds! That Caliban build is actually one of my worst builds. When Caliban released I very much wanted to post a purely for fun Summoner build for him, and it just so ended up that that one blew up. It was posted originally the day after Caliban released! It was designed to just have fun with summoning his Conculysts and not really do much else! XD It hasn't been updated for a LONG time, and I was a bit sad to see you didn't check out my other Caliban build right underneath, which I tried much harder on and which I believe solves a lot of the problems with Caliban as a warframe, and with the other build in general. As for the Yareli build, I think personally that build is pretty good, but I totally understand a lot of the criticism you mentioned. I have thought about swapping Arcane Avenger to Molt Augmented and using the freed up mod space for strength to run more Ability Efficiency for the Sea Snares from Loyal Merulina, and I've been going back and forth on it as that build mainly uses Yareli as a pure gun platform, with the Tenet Cycron. Still though, I really value the suggestions! Thank you!
a good summoner build is subsuming warcry and building caliban for health an armor, meanwhile your sentients get stupid high attack speed and get hella tanky
that yareli build becomes immediately amazing with a synth deconstruct dethcube w/ helstrum. I actually assumed that's what you had in mind. all the conditional buffs become massively more consistent, with some free status priming from the helstrum. it's perfectly synergistic. only thing I could mention is that streamline is a bit redundant after all those energy sources. but, yeah, I'm definitely trying this build out, it's fun twist on a health tanking yareli that I hadn't thought of, and just as someone who happens to main her, I think you did great on that!
@@_.violyse._ The one reason to run Streamline on top of all the energy sources is to reduce the Cooldown of Loyal Merulina's fired sea snares :) The cooldown is directly linked to efficiency. Thanks!
I'm assuming he was just alluding to Archon Shards, like Violet ones can do the same thing as Equilibrium It's more of a waste of mod space if you think about it. Same thing with Natural Talent cos of Amber Archon Shards Of course not saying Archon Shards are always better I mean at the start, Temporal Incenerosion Protea is right there but ppl have a build with double Emerald Archon Shards with Tempest Barrage subsume???? with it's Viral augment
7:14 So I can answer this, he's casting gloom when protea's passive proc happens for an extra 100% strength, as gloom is a channeled ability and thus keeps that extra 100% strength until the ability turns off. Then recasting it again as molt augmented gets stacked. 84% become 244%, which isn't the 95% slow cap, but it's still pretty substantial mid 80ish% slow.
After the stream, I went to check Ember Prime builds, oops all Gloom or Nourish. I'd also like to point out that the Gloom Protea is using an augur mod.
@@austin9151 Personally I use her with Xata's Whisper on her 1 because it helps charging up incarnon weapons and dealing with enemy overguard while also keeping her caster gameplay, but if you want to use her as a full on caster, then you probably want roar on her 1 or anything else that will help with heat procs.
Correct. The logic is that the increased spread means you have a higher cone of effect, and thus a larger area of potential headshots to charge incarnon.
This is the exact issue guns in Destiny have, realistically no average player really knows what a good build for high level content looks like so they just post what they think their idea of meta is.
That's a lie destiny guns are way to simple. I hate how every gun feels similar. It's not hard to make a raid build in destiny or a nightfall. Pretty much whatever gun plus well of radiance. Doing anything pass that is completely unnecessary. Destiny guns are way too Close In damage. Imagine if guns did 20 or 30 million difference in damage. Grenade launcher don't even feel aoe. Blast radius is miniscule. most perks are marginal increases. Most of time in destiny dps just isn't there because someone messes up. If everyone just doesn't die and empty clips. The boss will die. Tbh the real problem is what's the point of getting another gun if it's literally just the gun you have now but in a different color.exotics should have been the weapon standard tbh.
@RavenUwU605 I played since the game came out(destiny 1). I've done raid multiple times and have like 7k hours across a couple accounts. Destiny is just one dimensional. I even played after all my friends left and with no one to play with it made Destiny's flaws even more apparent.
To be fair a warframe tier list is nonsensical considering every frame feels good to play in the late game with the right build. Khora, Revenant and Mag not on S tier however is criminal.
@@lucasfraczek4320Thats a very specific situation, since Nekros's passive lets him create guaranteed health orbs on kill. On most other frames equilibrium get way outclassed by so many other types of energy and health generation that it's not worth the mod slot. The joke hatred probably comes from all the people who call it a god tier mod.
@@tayloraltmiller9529 True, it's just that with Despoil it feels even more cheese on Nekros, forgot to mention I had that Augment on along with Shadows of the Dead.
As someone who plays Yareli, the reason that build had combat discipline is because they are running merulina guardian. This means that killing enemies will damage merulina which lets you proc the 200% fire rate and reload speed consistently. It also triggers arcane avenger.
Equilibrium good. Also, am I crazy or aren't galvanized shot / aptitude mods good with raw damage mods (serration, heavy caliber) on *some* weapons because they give multiplicative damage? 7:42 , yeah the heavy caliber on Phenmor is bad, but galvanized aptitude is ok?
it's because most weapon arcanes already give damage and arcane damage+ with mod damage + are additive not multiplicative so if you unlocked sp you will probably never use serration or heavy caliber anymore unless you are doing a very specific build
@@danilim7529 While that is true and it's also what I use on most builds I feel like sometimes it's really hard to keep up merciless on some weapons (especially auto viral slash weapons) so putting a serration just to have a baseline to ramp up with is better. I've had that happen to me on more than one build. On the Phenmor none of that really matters cuz you already get the incarnon bonus. With or without base damage arcanes / mods on the Phenmor galvanized aptitude is just a good choice (if it works multiplicatively).
@@rivershen8954 If you're on higher level SP missions, if your gun doesn't have base damage mods just merciless the slash procs will still kill but it might take around 2 or 3 seconds to do so. So on lua conjunction survival missions where there is a shit load of enemies yeah you'll ramp up. But on other missions you might struggle getting more than 1 or 2 stacks of merciless. A serration will just make the process quicker overall and if there isn't a better mod in slot it's a decent choice. Obv I'm not talking about god tier weapons here like Torid. I know I had that problem with the Stahlta and a +dmg riven made the weapon so much easier to use (while still using merciless). (Also yes I know almost every time a bane mod is gonna be way better in slot but I hate bane mods)
Ask literally any high MR dude in region chat, avoid QnA chat like the plague though it's FILLED with trolls and people spreading shit builds I can also recommend discord servers and popular clans, most of the veterans there who have played consistently for years will have an updated and strong build for everything
DE should just give up on one update to revamp all the frames that were left behind, because, sure, we have 50+ warframes but 10 or so of them are borderline unplayable without heavily investing in them
@@klondikelegitski675I mean I think frost is fine as he is now but bare minimum he needs some qol changes that keep him in line with the present, and vauban totally can shred in steel path but three of his #2 balls aren't really worth using
i have like 6-700h in warframe and i still have no clue how building works. And unless i basically want to go back to highschool and read the wiki for hundreds of hours, literally the only options to build my weapons and frames is either taking horrible builds from overframe OR taking horrible builds from youtube. lowkey frustrating ngl.
same. and I love how absolutely EVERYONE says their builds are the right one and everything else is trash, youtube, overframe, discord, reddit, etc doesnt matter the place its always about me me me
Equilibrium can be good with dispensery and synth fiber to have infinite energy,and when combined with valkyr,can allow you to spend whole missions invincible. (Doesnt work in duviri)
@@AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Still, the build works good like that, and I like that in low levels I can just heal everyone by just wiping the floor with the enemies
@@lagartopunkarra he is saying you dont need combat discipline at all now. you can go for something else like idk enemy radar or corrosive projection or growing power
vauban is pretty nuts when built correctly, they're kinda' like octavia in that they have infinitely scaling damage based on enemy level and you can double boost his turrets with nourish viral damage and procs.
Yeah, for real! I started forma'ing the Vauban Prime I had collecting dust for a few years after I'd gotten the mastery for (mostly because I started hyperfixating on the ttrpg Heart: The City Beneath and wanted to make a Vermissian Knight character modelled after his aesthetic), and even with a scuffed build that can't fit half the planned mods it needs it still does okay. Once he's properly forma'd he may even be a new main for me!
@@ZomgLolPants I'm not saying it isn't, Vauban is a great frame and i love playing with and as him, but he can't compare to the likes of Khora or Saryn, its not even fair for the trainman
I understand how Gloom Works but I don't understand why it's Freaking Everywhere. 🤔 The Same goes for *Nourish* we already Mod for Viral and use *Zenurik* ..... So why Nourish ? 🤔
@@lookalike4805 nourish provides energy multiplier, so it's great for anyone who can generate energy by himself (like with archon stretch or innately like styanax), so it's best all-in one of energy/viral priming Zenurik is baby's energy regen way, madurai and naramon become far more useful in late game aswell
@@lookalike4805 nourish gives viral without the need to mod for it, and since most enemies are weak to corrosive/radiation anyways. you also get multiplier for energy orbs instead of zenurik's which is just a slow energy regen in a small area
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You can find any type of builds on Overframe, from boring no forma base mods ones (most of the builds on the site) to interesting/funny builds focused on a particular feature of frame/weapon.
Im a newer Warframe player and I've been using Overframe for a while as a guideline for how to build and what weapons to get. Is there a better alternative for community builds and general info like that? I feel bad that im not gettin the right info after using it for so long
Yeah um warframe doesn't have the best community. Ingame it's one of the friendlier communities. But reddit and especially youtube is full of elitist schizos. As for what to build - look into what damage types do (the status effects) Viral is meta for lategame, because it reduces max health % Removing armour from enemies is also important late game (that is done through warframe abilities mostly) Anyway honestly just learn the game, don't follow "guides". It's a lot more rewarding. If you "must" be guided check the Kengineer on youtube, he explains a lot of mechanics well. Btw warframe wiki is your best friend ;)
To add on to what Demo's said, Warframe has such a power ceiling at higher level that you don't *need* the absolute best builds to do most content, so play what you like, test different configurations to see what works and what you enjoy, and don't get too hung up on the math. Kengineer is a great source for the numbers behind things, and OverFrame's *builder* reports the math very well if you just want to make a pure number comparison without having to go into the simulacrum.
@@AGrumpyPanda Gotcha, I was under the impression that one build is popular amongst a lot of players since it’s the strongest. I used to play a lot of Genshin where the building system in that game is pretty similar so I have a better understanding of how to go about things now. Tysm!!
@@Yeahitsjin The problem is the majority of people play well below the 'endgame' content and wouldn't know what an optimal build looked like if you slapped them with it. That's not a problem, it just means what's popular doesn't equal what's best.
@@zDemoGODz One heavy strike with a melee weapon like ninkana prime, azothane or harmony does over 150 million to a single target, which instantly gives 50% of its damage to equinoxes slash gauge numbnuts.
I mean you are right that overframe is trash but some of your takes here are on the same level dude you have the knowledge of someone that's played for under a year
Calibro here: our peg leg sentient boi is still pretty strong. He is a weapons platform with 3 goons that give you enough shield regen to face tank shit. Could use some work still but he does do good.
Big part of the problem....there doesn't seem to be any GOOD source to go to for help that looks official enough to be taken seriously...and warframe itself doesn't lend itself to being easy to get good at but whenever folks ask outright for help the majority of responses they get online are from people who are just downright toxic
Hydroid not being at least A is crazy, his rework has made him such a solid frame now. He has loot gathering with Tentacle Swarm, Plunder gives him over 1k armor making early steelpath a joke, not to mention the corrosive damage buff it gives, Tidal Surge gives you movement and s as well as status immunity if you run the augment. I usually helminth off Tempest Barrage so i don't use it enough to vouch for it. Sevagoth being in A is hilarious. He get a buff i didn't notice? Because dude outside of gloom he is kind of mid at best. And i have said it before Mag is easy A tier for Magnetize alone.
I still use over frame and a lot of the non super up voted builds are actually really solid and thought out. Use it about for weapons, just change it to the latest patch and you get some current builds
The problem with overframe's tier list is that most people only vote for the frames they really like or really dislike and are biased. Not many people are voting for frames they view as mid tier
i have only played the first few hours of Warframe and i have no concept of buildcrafting. all i know is that i know nothing and that you are wrong. why? i don't know.
Master, I embraced the power of MIGHTY SEER as you told me. It does not need mods. Actually, it's mods that have a need in the MIGHTY SEER. It is the MIGHTY SEER's above divine MIGHT that makes them what they are.
I feel like it's important to note that the majority of the players that are voting on these tier lists likely aren't even doing Steel Path. They're not the youtubers that derive their income from warframe content. They're certainly not doing any mission past 30 mins. They're probably not doing omnia fissures. Probably not doing netracells or EDA. These are the people that play maybe a few hours a week.
Genuine question because I recently returned to the game. If overframe is this bad. Where should I go to learn how to build weapons/frames and also see what's good/bad/mid?
i also dont understand, warframe's official discord server has a channel dedicated to builds and all, but its really confusing and if you ask for help on modding, they tell you to get good and to look into said channel warframe really needs to get better in that aspect tbh
My recommendation, go to the search bar and search the weapon, and avoid videos from thefthardsquad, knightmareframe, and so on. Look for lower view count on builds from channels in the same vein as mcgamers, coolkid, more meme channels, I can go on, but just avoid the larger CCs. I can't say much about sites like overframe
Glad someone else is enjoying invulnerable loki. Fun fact, the invulnerability cannot be removed as far as I can tell. Nullies and falling in pits doesn't strip it.
I swear loki is so criminally underrated by everyone. Subsume off decoy for silence, go high duration, safeguard switch + ireadiating disarm and you get a levelcap capable warframe with simmilar levels of immortality to revenant that is actually kinda fun to play.
Absolutely agree! This video calling out players who "don't know what they're talking about" actually exposed this guy for not knowing what he's talking about 😂
I'm relatively new, and I use it as a general guide as to how people use the frames. I don't use the tier list as an end all be all, but as a "this is pretty good, this isn't too great"
So the thing is, votes don't reset. The tier list is 'updated' but if someone went on overframe 3 years ago and voted ignis s tier and torid b or c tier those votes are still in there, regardless of how the meta or the gear itself changed since then. I use overframe regularly to plan out builds so I know how many/what forma I need, and sometimes to look at a few builds to see if there are any synergies or fun ideas I missed. For that it's great. For actual build advice it's shit.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines It's not fine if you're doing anything outside of star chart, and if that's the case, you can slap on any mods in any order and be perfectly fine.
I love that the Zephyr builds are actually good because there's a grand total of 5 or so people playing them so it's like an open forum of sorts discussion lol
@@CoffeFilter I've been playing for ten years, but it would be hubris to assume I can't still learn as it evolves and changes To be more clear, what other resources is there other then over Frame? Cause over Frame is fairly dominant
shes a weird middle ground of being both a support and a dps, not really specialized in either but more as a "jack of all trades", which for general star chart play can be fantastic as she fits many situations but for high level stuff like steel path it can be harder (not impossible just harder) to have a multi tool frame instead of a frame specialized for what it does
Equinox and Limbo should be put in their own tier above s Limbo can make loki players truly suffer in hecc But equinox? Equinox with negative power will make you take 5x more damage, and make the enemies tankier TRULY A FRAME MOMENT
all jokes aside, as a newer player who just recently got into SP, where do you recommend I get builds from? I obviously lack experience and knowledge to make my own builds cause i’m too stupid for that, so where can I learn or copy builds from that consistently are pretty good?
Most 'bigger' warframe YTers make at the very least passable builds so try copy them even tho some only do endgame builds so you need to change depending on what you need(likely dont have quite a few mods) but most of them explain why you have certain stats
@@lookalike4805 wow it’s almost just like.. I just said I’m a brand new player, I started a week ago. I could do research on understanding mod combos but that will only take me to a limit until I spend more time in the game understanding them, so thanks.
@@페넬크리스토퍼 i think the Kengineer and LeyzarGaming are pretty fine. LeyzarGaming shows builds for both new and old players. MCGamer shows fun builds to mess around with any weapon. Anyways, stay away from KnightmareFrame is all that i ask of you. He is a big meme in the community, known for always telling people to build Primed Sure Footed (he even put it on Atlas, which has knockdown immunity anyways when youre on the ground)
I made a Vauban build once. I wanted to maximize armour stripping speed, and have it immediately turn into a vortex upon armour strip. The idea was to get full efficacy without slowing down the mission with loads of random cc zones all over pulling enemies into arcane geometry or stopping them around corners. I sacrificed a lot of duration to make that happen. The idea is that you could throw out a Bastille and then immediately drop a Photon Strike on the pile as it gets full strip in like... 2-3 seconds. So I ended up looking at Helminth options that would support a low-duration, high-strength build. And surprisingly, a lot of options that like strength also don't especially like low duration, or aren't especially synergistic with Vauban's kit. Something with permanent effects, that likes strength. Something that might take advantage of Vortex or Bastille, maybe some negative that would be ignored by them. Then it hit me. Sentient Wrath! All the projectiles would home on the clustered enemies, give them extra damage vuln. And then I go in, and I play around with the build. And you know what? I just realized I made a worse Caliban, and just went back to playing Caliban.
Truly it really boils down to just quitting on watching these warframe slop videos and visiting these websites with "build this, build that" nonsense. Just gotta teach yourself all the damage mechanics, mod mechanics, and how to mod accordingly, most of all, just do whatever is fun and managable, I'm out here running patagium and aero vantage because it's awesome to float in the air for no reason
Equinox's entire DPS relies on her other squad member's DPS (plus her own). Whether that's a plus or a minus varies based on where's people use her. She could give crazy Power Strength buff on the Circuit with the right decrees and help speed up Circuit stages, but she's kinda meh in everything else without hyper optimization. As for her Night form, there are other frames that are more specialized for that role and can do the job better.
@@SeanPAllen I mean youre wrong but sure… Every frame is viable and if u like Equinox then play her but Grendel is FAR better. I understand that you have a massive inferiority complex and cannot take a hit to your ego but you will have to face reality. Equinox is bad, Grendel is pretty good.
8:13 It reminds me back when I was brainstorming my Akaten build for my Manifold Bond Hound. I was discussing about it in the Warframe Discord server and Ninjase gave me their build for Akaten with tons of status chance on it and explained it's for my Hound if it ever attacks. For a Manifold Bond build. That will already put tons of status effects on enemies with the Hound's Abilities...
I spent like nearly 2000 hours before I actually tried Overframe at some point. This was during the whole shield gate meta and it instantly made me hate the site and try to keep new players away from it as much as possible.
I remember during the time I've played, the only guides I ever believed in were those of Ninjase, Moon's were usually outdated so I pretty much relied on Ninjase.
I find it funny how the Zephyr builds werent that bad since the only people who play Zephyr are Zephyr mains who probably only play Zephyr.
too much zephyr in one sentence for my brain to understand
@@furiuscatpl5541 good bird builds because bird mains only play bird
same reason why the xaku build was good
also as soon as I read the xaku build title I knew it was by someone who is actually fun
Zephyr.
Zephyr.
Me when I'm in a "Make an absolute dogshit Warframe build with the most unwarranted confidence" competition and my opponent is ThEMoon85. Dude is honestly probably the one person most responsible for making Overframe as badly reputed as it is, because he ABSOLUTELY is manipulating something to ensure his builds are always at the highest popularity.
That and he has the world's most easily bruised ego. Literally seen the dude trying to start beef with other people because they questioned something on one of his builds.
When you ask somebody a question about their build and they start freaking out, you know the build is bad lmao
That name is familiar 😂 absolute tool everywhere on the site, probably the reason forma take a day to be built
actually true. I should make a greasemonkey script that hides their builds lol
i wouldn't be surprised if that guy bots his own overframe votes. all of his builds get massive numbers like he's a fucking celebrity or something, but when it comes to his comments there are usually like 0-10 of them. at the absolute maximum there's like 30-40 comments. where the fuck are the hundreds or even thousands of voters?
what about the ninjase guy?
so gloompilled, rangecore gloommaxxing peacefully in a defense mission
You will not make it through the summer
The streamers are the reason for the gloom builds .
@@cptfarzkizz8823 that's why we're all depressed
@@Sabuuchi just curious, why don't you think Vauban should be A tier? His flechette orb stacks with enemy level and overdrive with empower. You can also empower each flechette orb if you like. It is one of the few frames I think will be able to scale effortlessly in missions like survival and defense.
Rise up, fellow gloomers!
if theres anything ive learned from watching various warframe youtubers: its that literally everyone says that literally everyone else's builds are trash. use what you enjoy friends. dont listen to any of these guys.
Most of the points he makes are valid though. I agree play what you want but if you're going to go on a website and post your builds being like "this is the best build ever" and are wasting slots on useless stuff, people should point that out.
Better than "build however you want" is actually learning the game so you don't need to leech builds, and you'll know who's builds are good.
@NeightrixPrime i said use what you enjoy illiterate mf
@@NeightrixPrime that actually is part of the reason I agree with sab dunking on the builds- He's mostly reacting to the top builds on the site, and if someone doesn't know what makes a build good or bad they're just going to use the top build on the site assuming "hey it's at the top it must be good." They should learn what makes builds good or bad but these builds is just going to teach them the wrong lessons.
@@NeightrixPrime But still, even then, its always appreaciated when someone knows how to do the math and shares a min/maxed build for endgame, and not everyone is capable to cook those builds.
Buried along the thousands of trash builds in overframe you can find some pretty well written guides that just work, it's just a tiny part of them.
Even if you know your stuff, some warframes have more layers and interactions that i didn't know how to exploit, and that's when some of these builds are genuinely interesting. It's just there is no real way to curate top builds in such a site.
"Knightmareframe fears this build." 💀
That’s a good one 💀
Ofc he does it has 10 primed sure footed
Primed Magazine Warp Glaxion.
Where can I find a more accurate tier list?
@@Gildedbolt in a baby tennos note book
"When xaku prime will be announced in 2 months"
Live sevagoth reaction:
I'm just glad we get more time with xaxu to ourselves. He's right, the gig's probably up when prime comes out and the community learns how to mod him correctly.
@@connerro4465 noo my boi,
Incoming Lavos Reaction
Hey xaku prime was JUST announced
So I can actually explain the tier lists(kinda)! Someone on the Brozime stream commented that the ratings aren't purged or reset, so for frames like Yareli and Grendel they aren't reset after their reworks and fixes. The updates I believe just add the new votes, rather than removing the old ones. Apologies if this is incorrect, but Overframe is also completely inscrutable and doesnt even show the number of votes. This also isn't a defense, to be clear; it's further condemnation.
Went over this in the vid. They are updated regularly and are averaged out by new votes. Most are still reflective on where the community places them overall.
@@Sabuuchi eh unless we have a higher weighting on new votes that’s still kinda taking on all the votes a frame still previously had and knowing Warframe players they aren’t going to vote twice or as you’re implying change their stubborn mind on frames even after relatively good changes
@@Sabuuchito be fair I don’t think that most people who were initially outraged by how shit these frames were are going to go back and correct their votes.
@@pixelmaster9964 also people arnt really going to go back and shit on an old good frame, Equi is still A because of legacy votes unbalanced with newer votes
@@Sabuuchi unfortunately, being "averaged out" just means that the large number of old votes submitted over many years or on the initial release far outnumber the new votes put in. Look at the votes for grendel and yareli and you can see a huge chunk of D rank votes that outnumber the rest, but still a large chunk off votes for the higher tiers as well. People just dont change their votes that they made in outrage.
so this is how not to build, but why?
all i see is "haha this is awful" and then it switches to something else to repeat.
This is my first time on channel, how do I know you know these are bad if all you give is "its bad cuz said so"
Right? Content for content's sake, no substance. Probably an absolute JOY to play with, I'm sure.
Sabuuchi unfortunately turned from a nice warframe youtuber to an annoying elitist, just ignore this channel.
Not really about being an elitist. If you're new this probably doesn't make any sense and fair enough. But if you've played warframe and the frames in particular for this video you can pretty quickly tell why the builds are terrible just based off the abilities of those frames. If you are not new then you probably know why they're bad at a glance for the most part. Some of them had more redundancy than atlas with sure footed
Yeah, I clicked on this video to find out why Overframe is bad. But all I got was "lol this build sux"/"who uses this shit?" etc. No explanations, just typical low-effort content. Sure, maybe he has a better understanding of Warframe than most players. But it seems he'd rather sit on a high chair and laugh at everyone instead of being helpful.
Awful video, IMO.
@@Alkezo1 i mean this is just a stream vod hes just saying stuff at that moment , not a fully scripted out video
Primed Sure Footed.
HUGE DPS UPGRADE.
Prime Sure Footed is Warframe's Wayward Compass.
It is absolutely fucking op.
To be fair, it is a little dps upgrade, courtesy of you not being down on your ass in groups of eximus units.
you have infinitely more dps when you are not dead
@@adri745k I am very confused about this statement, are you talking hollow knight? is the wayward compass in hollow knight somehow op? how is psf op also lmao
Most of the time, I have to forma a frame to use PSF. I feel lazy most of the time, so I just put in Handspring
The site allowing me to skip bullshit theatrics of creators on youtube alone instantly makes it better without even factoring in people line Ninjase just has better builds than anything you'd find on TH-cam.
This whole video is bs theatrics, too. "It's bad." OK, why? Zero details. Just a video drenched in negativity for content's sake.
the GOAT ninjase
Yareli under Loki is peak comedy honestly.
i mean Loki is a Crowd control god
@@error_3754 not even close to a god. just a dubious little creature with soft cc and no innate damage potential, completely beholden to the power of a weapon you're using. Doesn't have own survivability and damage, which Yareli has in spades, on top of CC, and that leaves her with a helminth slot to do even more insane shit. Loki has his use, but in no universe is he better.
@@error_3754what time machine did you step out of? Lmao
@@error_3754 crowd control god? Absolutely not even remotely close
@@error_3754 no
To be fair, the reason you use tempest barage with green Shards is because you put on Viral Tempest to get viral, corrosive, heat with just abilities. That will trigger Manifold Bond on Nautalis' cordon, which is really strong for protea. It works, but there are a lot of other alternatives.
huh maybe youre right. that makes sense actually. But then wouldnt the turrets have barely any use since youll probably end up killing enemies with tempest barrage in the first place? also Nautilus' cordon isnt really the best of grouping if your playstyle is to stay far and safe.
Oh yeah protea's 1 also already gives slash status no?
@@rivershen8954I like Sab don’t get me wrong but the protea triple green shards with viral tempest barrage makes even deep archedea a joke turret do millions of heat damage and your basically unkillable with no energy issues ever sooooooo
@@aDESTROYER_50 But Temporal Erosion is right there, save the green shards for other frames...
@@aDESTROYER_50 2 green shards is enough. Also as Tryburos says, and i paraphrase, "Even if you do a million damage per shot, if the enemy realistically only has 50k HP, youre still only doing 50k damage"
@@rivershen8954 3rd shard buffs damage to corrosive procd enemies and big number = happy chemical
It's a good thing Sab didn't check builds for Nekros. Pretty sure he would have exploded seeing fifth equilibrium+gloom set up in a row.
I feel like Nekros is one of the few Equil/Gloom frames that has some sort of validity
@@halcyon1644 Yup, he's one of the few where Gloom is objectively a good choice. He can keep it up easily, Gloom counteracts Terrify's running away mechanic and he can use Arcane Eruption alongside Gloom for shutting down entire rooms without having to do anything but just kill stuff.
Him and Banshee are like the 2 frames that really make sense for Gloom, don't get why it's so popular on Saryn to be honest, and I even removed it from Sevagoth coz there was more fun/better stuff to run on him.
@NinjaSyao I'd wager it's used on Saryn so much because she's both insanely good at killing things, the amount she can heal with it is _stupid_ based on that metric.
@@laynegrey2003it’s because the enemies don’t have to be in range of gloom for life steal to function, so gloom can keep her healed from spores that are still spreading four rooms over. It won’t save her in really long endurance runs but for most content it’s comfortable. The new Eclipse for 75% DR is probably better now since it lets her shields stay up longer, but old gloom builds still at least function.
Garuda is actually really good with Gloom because with that and her 3 you have infinite energy and almost infinite health since she can attack easily multiple enemies with her 1 and 4
the craziest thing about this is the valkyr with hunter adrenaline and umbral fiber while her hysteria makes her invincible...
This is ultime 200IQ move together with Sure Footed + Atlas
"HUUUUGE DPS INCREASE"
They probably aren't using Hysteria. A lot of people don't these days due to exalted melee weapons lagging behind standard ones.
@@xrufus7x468Also because not everyone wants to just be literally unkillable all the time, I do, but only if it took effort. Which is why I haven't touched Octavia since leveling the first time, waaay too easy
Yeah assuming the person building her was going for hysteria and it was a recent build it would be best to instead use precision intensify + augur secrets to balance out the other abilities instead of dropping 2 umbra forma to increase umbral intensify, it would make her 4 stronger + give her the augur bonus on the off chance you whip a rifle out and your shields pop
The problem with Overframe tier list is, as told in the video, that it is more of a popularity contest than an actual metric of performance (Ignis S tier lol). Also, in my opinion, the list has too little tiers and it makes the existing tiers have not much consistency.
And there is a problem with the definition of tiers; what makes a weapon "the best of the best"? Its accessiblity? Its biggest possible dps? How many formas and/or how much of a setup it takes for it to be SP/lvl cap viable? Or is it the combination of it all? This makes it hard to accurately give a weapon/frame its rating, hence the proble with Overframe tier list.
It's also, just, like. Some weapons have a one thing they do good. The ones that delete the new deimos disruption necramechs, for example - is that what you want to run outside of that? hell no lmao
And at the same time, if you just wanna run SP survival or something, you can take just about any weapon, slap it on a Saryn built as a weapons platform (strength, range, shield gate, subsume xata's or roar depending on weapon) and make dudes explode. Long as it's got some way to hit lots of dudes, at least.
The real explanation is that old votes don't go away. Ignis wraith was amazing for a long period of time, but people don't remove or change their old votes, so it sits there. This explains a vast majority of the discrepancies. Previously good but super dated and outclassed warframe like loki, oberron, and trinity are still rated highly. Warframe released super bad like grendel and yareli, so people voted badly, and then didnt change votes when they were reworked and buffed. I dont expect people to be perfectly accurate in their votes, but this issue of not deleting old votes is causing the vast majority of misplacements.
The worst part is phantasma that's under It in A tier, the phantasma that can proc heat so fast that steel path enemies are easily deleted unlike ignis and has infinite punch-trhough
Another issue is that they don't refresh it, which means if a frame gets reworked, the tier list doesn't care after seven years of D-rank votes, Hydroid.
Pillage actually counts as a channeled ability while it is deployed (before you gain your shields from it). That's 4 channel ability Hildryn with Intention, that's hilarious. Intention also heals you when it activates, meaning Pillage periodically working is actually great.
Armor archon shards on Mesa has me losing my mind.
AI generated looking ass builds
Archon shard*, singular, because ofcourse 150 is pumping up that survivability through the roof already.
I uh, put 4 on my mesa and it actually is kinda useful
1 tau isn't terrible tbh, her base armor is laughable (thus Umbral Fiber is bad) yet she usually functions as a healthtank. with +1 tau her armor goes from 135 -> 360, aka DR from 31% -> 54.5%. if you opt not to do this you are effectively taking 1.5x damage on health (from taking 45.5% dmg to 69% (nice)), or having to make up for it with Arcane Guardian or Health Conversion. or pillagetank or something but you get my point
@@Malurth Use her Shatter Shield FFS! it gives 90% DR when you put in minimal Power Strength!
3:39"ignis is only good for starchart and early steelpath" so 90% of the content in the game.
I'd argue that Ignis (Wraith), is good for the entire game with a few exceptions. Torrid incarnon is clearly just better than it but is a different kind of weapon. And as is increasingly clear, many people don't even touch steel path and even fewer do it outside of the daily steel path missions. People need to realize that "The steel path" isn't some boogie man that's going to stomp their ass, with a decent build they'll easily roll most of it.
@@attaug Yeah Ignis Wraith has no problem on Steel Path clearing 95% of the mobs. With an armor strip it can even go to significantly higher levels of SP. It's kinda bad at killing Eximus units but you can literally just fix that issue by bringing a secondary or melee that kills them easier.
only good in star path and early steel path is almost the entire warframe arsenal, its not a useful metric. At that point a decently modded lato (not prime, no incarnon) can probably take you pretty far.
@@doublereel-real so? it still takes some time to unlock steelpath, you need to do every single planet node.
and even after, the ignis will still be good, it just wont be the best gun ever.
and if you are using a frame that can armor strip, then this isnt even a discussion anymore, since pretty much anything besides the stugg will still be enough for the entirety of steel path.
The problem with overframe is that both builds and tierlist are based of total votes, with most of them being years old and not updated/re-voted.
Some builds on the "top weapons" havent been updated in years,for example the number 1 build for acceltra before acceltra prime released didnt use galvanized mods, and it had over 300 votes compared to the second one.
You're absolutely right, you get a lot of stuff like that. Like yareli on release was originally voted in D tier and she has been powered up like crazy and many people have just not bothered changing their votes. So she's C because of vote weighting. Also, I assume many people vote based on memory and what they've heard, not played, of a frame.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the "mag is shit" meme from 500 million years ago still has effect on Mag's placement.
That's why you filter by latest patch....
next time you have a problem with a build, maybe tell us why? not make us feel like a bunch of fools sitting here and thinking "that build looks fine, whats wrong with it?"
I consider myself an oberon fan, i bought his prime access back in the day, the fact that he is even looking at A tier is a fucking crime. His only redeeming quality right now is his saving throw augment for his entire team, thats it. He's completely outclassed by Styanax and is probably about to be outclassed again by jade
I mean, hes also completely outclassed by Citrine. Citrine doesnt have to pay Energy to give Regeneration, she gives Regen in Affinity Range, she can give 90% DR in Affinity range, Health Orbs basically on command, and force Red Crits with her 4. If you throw Pillage over her 3 you also get Armor Strip, Shield Strip and Status Cleanse. its really sad to see how Goat boy has fallen over the years, I remember Oberon being my second ever built frame, back when I started in 2017.
I mean he is outclassed by a sentinel mod for the 1 life missions as it even has less cooldown
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers
In the barest defence of Oberon, he can heal way more than Citrine, but that's about it.
It really sucks, Oberon was basically what convinced me to keep playing.
I miss the carpet so much.
Literally Oberon has 1 job currently and that's in plague star lazy meta runs as mindnumbingly simple armor strip of the boss, as wisp (assuming you can find 1 that's not a shock trolling scrub) can out do the passive regen by a lot and the 2 main overguard frames can provide more active survivability
It isn't a bad frame it's just been made obsolete by more modern frames just like frost and equinox where they aren't bad it's just there is something better for the job they used to be used for
Share build, I'm cooking his prime next
The reason for the "future meta" tag on the tenet glaxion isn't for the build itself, but rather the slated changes to the cold status effect potentially allowing for the freezing of entire squads.
i just use this site to 1. question why people built something the way they did
and 2. dread how much forma im gonna have to dunk on a shitty weapon JUST because i had a horrible shower "what if" moment
I'm in the second phase, and somehow find enjoyment with it ahah) I just simply don't want to run same set of weapons. I've paid for my slots Imma use em all damn it!
@@TimesOldRoman now watch me slap on 5-6 forma on a ghoulsaw
@@shuples Buy a riven as well for total mental degradation build we cookin' now
Now I need an ambassador riven for my 6 forma cry for help build ahah
@@TimesOldRoman already rolled a CC CD riven
love seeing this while I'm desperately trying not to give in to investing 15 forma into the kulstar as my yareli weapon instead of the currently crafting akarius prime
I'm more worried about Zephyr being in B tier.
Equinox sisters...... one day we will get our rework. :(
One day DE has to make both versions of Equinox equally strong, and make it so we can play both in a not clunky state
If they brought the clone augment on par with the old Wuclone her usage you raise through the roof
Pray to Pablo
Equinox got a buff with Jade Shadows update. Damage rework and secondary fortifier arcane gives her more survivability. Equinox with Overguard +Energy Transfer Augment lets you build shield until you’re ready to pop maim. Been experimenting with solo steel path and you can very quickly build 2.5 mil damage as long as you have a weapon that doesn’t require damage buffs prior to being able to kill.
The main drawback is you need good energy efficiency or a way to supplement it. She really excels in Ascension and High Level SP Circuit runs. She’s not perfect now, but also not dead weight.
300 more assassinations
At least, after 300 more I may finally get the complete freaking set
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I agree on this tier list being wrong and having to many frames in A and B tier. Everyone should be and C tier and Limbo should be the only one in S tier.
Limbo should be in its own tier, the "Limbo" above S tier
Warframe in 2016 moment
Most sane limbo player:
I never thought to go all in on Range for Zephyr, I wanted Duration just so her three could last longer. I gotta go back in the kitchen and cook.
EDIT: Also Equilibrium good, cope.
her three needs a base duration buff honestly
@@its_deer What's Turbulence at base?
10 seconds @@lucasfraczek4320
@@lucasfraczek4320 20s at base
@@ariaangela3455 Oh that is horrendous, what the fuck DE...
ninjase is a big exception here, dude is a legend
Heres my problem with the Overframe Hate, Yes it has many problems, but there is not a single other source of Text ,or picture based build guides out there. I despise watching 5-10 minute videos so some youtuber can explain a build when i can just read a description. There is no competition to Overframe, it has a monopoly over this part of the Warframe build space. So yes feel free to complain about how shit the website is, but until you or someone else makes a better one, i will still use it.
The average warframe clan has discord that shares builds
Umm, Warframe Builder? Hasn't it been around longer than Overframe too?
Overframe and youtuber builds are temporary, Ninjase builds are forever.
warframe isn't even that overly complicated unless you are specifically gunning for min-max shenanigans out of boredom. i maybe used overframe twice if only to get a point of reference on how to build a certain frame.
And people are extremists, every build in this video can complete SP, so they are not trash. People use those words for everything that isnt meta slave
Equinox in A teir while frost and hydriod are in B is actually insane
Dont understand the Equilibrium hate honestly, been using it with a health orb generating Panzer cat and its how ive solved energy on my Nezha.
"Bro just invest 4 purple shards on the warframe"
@@el_androi1203 Correction, invest 4 purple shards on EVERY warframe.
Why are you wasting a mod slot on a mod you already have upgraded and that can be used on every frame AT THE SAME TIME? /s
7:06 This is actually a super nice playstyle for Protea that I actually just used today to easily solo Elite Archimedia. You use Tempest Barrage with green shards and the augment to apply corrosive & viral and armor strip the enemies, and then the blaze turrets take care of the rest. Trust me, they cooked! 😂
damn never thought i would see you here
I thought chroma would be spared from the bullying today.
please god save him
equinox nuke actually goes insanely hard, one of the best in the game
ninjase actually has good builds though
Yes. I use a lot of them and then tweak. His Ocucor build is a great example, also his Day/Night Equinox.
100%, ninjase is one of the few people who genuinely know how to build and can explain his builds to people who don't know how to build. he's an actually good source of knowledge, and he's active in the official warframe discord server's builds channel. he's always happy to assist there... he's not a bad guy at all.
@@nickr1246 Just went and checked and lol it's the exact build I use, just with riven instead of lethal torrent
Ninjase is also one of the few of these people I actually see actively playing the game, I've seen him in Sanctum Anatomica a few times.
Hey there! I'm actually the person who made one of the Caliban and Yareli builds in this video. Thanks for talking over some of my builds!
That Caliban build is actually one of my worst builds. When Caliban released I very much wanted to post a purely for fun Summoner build for him, and it just so ended up that that one blew up. It was posted originally the day after Caliban released! It was designed to just have fun with summoning his Conculysts and not really do much else! XD It hasn't been updated for a LONG time, and I was a bit sad to see you didn't check out my other Caliban build right underneath, which I tried much harder on and which I believe solves a lot of the problems with Caliban as a warframe, and with the other build in general.
As for the Yareli build, I think personally that build is pretty good, but I totally understand a lot of the criticism you mentioned. I have thought about swapping Arcane Avenger to Molt Augmented and using the freed up mod space for strength to run more Ability Efficiency for the Sea Snares from Loyal Merulina, and I've been going back and forth on it as that build mainly uses Yareli as a pure gun platform, with the Tenet Cycron. Still though, I really value the suggestions! Thank you!
Thank you for your contributions to the game, I love using your builds- they're simple and really helpful for a modding noob like me!
a good summoner build is subsuming warcry and building caliban for health an armor, meanwhile your sentients get stupid high attack speed and get hella tanky
that yareli build becomes immediately amazing with a synth deconstruct dethcube w/ helstrum. I actually assumed that's what you had in mind. all the conditional buffs become massively more consistent, with some free status priming from the helstrum. it's perfectly synergistic. only thing I could mention is that streamline is a bit redundant after all those energy sources.
but, yeah, I'm definitely trying this build out, it's fun twist on a health tanking yareli that I hadn't thought of, and just as someone who happens to main her, I think you did great on that!
@@_.violyse._ The one reason to run Streamline on top of all the energy sources is to reduce the Cooldown of Loyal Merulina's fired sea snares :) The cooldown is directly linked to efficiency. Thanks!
i personally dont mind what builds people use, the point is to have fun so hopefully your builds succeeded at that
If I may, is there a reason Sabuuchi hates equilibrium so much?
Question I have as well
I'm assuming he was just alluding to Archon Shards, like Violet ones can do the same thing as Equilibrium
It's more of a waste of mod space if you think about it.
Same thing with Natural Talent cos of Amber Archon Shards
Of course not saying Archon Shards are always better
I mean at the start, Temporal Incenerosion Protea is right there but ppl have a build with double Emerald Archon Shards with Tempest Barrage subsume???? with it's Viral augment
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
Probably because it's being overused in general, but it's especially bad on frames without any health orb generation.
@@SlyRocko It's good on any frame if you use Diriga and Synth.
7:14 So I can answer this, he's casting gloom when protea's passive proc happens for an extra 100% strength, as gloom is a channeled ability and thus keeps that extra 100% strength until the ability turns off. Then recasting it again as molt augmented gets stacked. 84% become 244%, which isn't the 95% slow cap, but it's still pretty substantial mid 80ish% slow.
After the stream, I went to check Ember Prime builds, oops all Gloom or Nourish.
I'd also like to point out that the Gloom Protea is using an augur mod.
wh- really? I was using Breach Surge with Molt Reconstruct because I was too lazy to get Augmented :kek:
become heat pilled and subsume on Thermal Sunder with Thermal Transfer and Fireball Frenzy
Expedite suffering exists through sickening pulse, just saying.
Also wyrdscythes have been really fun on ember for cc and viral shredding.
hey! picking up ember, what's a good build then if not gloom lol
and where's some good places to pick up builds from?
@@austin9151 Personally I use her with Xata's Whisper on her 1 because it helps charging up incarnon weapons and dealing with enemy overguard while also keeping her caster gameplay, but if you want to use her as a full on caster, then you probably want roar on her 1 or anything else that will help with heat procs.
@7:45 doesn't -Accuracy mean bullets spread further from the center of the reticlw and -Recoil prevents the weapon from swaying too much.
Correct. The logic is that the increased spread means you have a higher cone of effect, and thus a larger area of potential headshots to charge incarnon.
I love slash and breed procs!
Yareli mating press
slash and WHAT?
@@Sabuuchi what did he saaaaaaaaay
Breed? Hand me some of that good stuff your using
Garuda would like to have a worf
threatening to kill someone and their whole family over a warframe build is some peak scitzo shit. seek help.
Cucky boy 3000 takes his own opinion on builds waaay too seriously
This is the exact issue guns in Destiny have, realistically no average player really knows what a good build for high level content looks like so they just post what they think their idea of meta is.
That's a lie destiny guns are way to simple. I hate how every gun feels similar. It's not hard to make a raid build in destiny or a nightfall. Pretty much whatever gun plus well of radiance. Doing anything pass that is completely unnecessary. Destiny guns are way too Close In damage. Imagine if guns did 20 or 30 million difference in damage. Grenade launcher don't even feel aoe. Blast radius is miniscule. most perks are marginal increases. Most of time in destiny dps just isn't there because someone messes up. If everyone just doesn't die and empty clips. The boss will die. Tbh the real problem is what's the point of getting another gun if it's literally just the gun you have now but in a different color.exotics should have been the weapon standard tbh.
@@jaketheman1577 how many raid seals do you have
@@jaketheman1577I feel like we played two very different versions of Destiny 2
@RavenUwU605 I played since the game came out(destiny 1). I've done raid multiple times and have like 7k hours across a couple accounts. Destiny is just one dimensional. I even played after all my friends left and with no one to play with it made Destiny's flaws even more apparent.
@@jaketheman1577 how many flawless raids/lowman raids did you do in destiny 2
To be fair a warframe tier list is nonsensical considering every frame feels good to play in the late game with the right build.
Khora, Revenant and Mag not on S tier however is criminal.
Weapons do need a tier list tho. Some completely outperform most other weapons. Others can be very underwhelming.
@@jacksheldon8566 Torid is an example of the former. Harpak is an example of the latter...
Whats the hatred for equalibrium?
For real, I use it on my Nekros Prime and it makes the fucker immortal.
@@lucasfraczek4320Thats a very specific situation, since Nekros's passive lets him create guaranteed health orbs on kill. On most other frames equilibrium get way outclassed by so many other types of energy and health generation that it's not worth the mod slot. The joke hatred probably comes from all the people who call it a god tier mod.
@@tayloraltmiller9529 True, it's just that with Despoil it feels even more cheese on Nekros, forgot to mention I had that Augment on along with Shadows of the Dead.
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
@@bouncybob1780 Disagree on protea, one third of her dispenser is health orbs.
As someone who plays Yareli, the reason that build had combat discipline is because they are running merulina guardian. This means that killing enemies will damage merulina which lets you proc the 200% fire rate and reload speed consistently. It also triggers arcane avenger.
Equilibrium good. Also, am I crazy or aren't galvanized shot / aptitude mods good with raw damage mods (serration, heavy caliber) on *some* weapons because they give multiplicative damage? 7:42 , yeah the heavy caliber on Phenmor is bad, but galvanized aptitude is ok?
it's because most weapon arcanes already give damage and arcane damage+ with mod damage + are additive not multiplicative so if you unlocked sp you will probably never use serration or heavy caliber anymore unless you are doing a very specific build
@@danilim7529 While that is true and it's also what I use on most builds I feel like sometimes it's really hard to keep up merciless on some weapons (especially auto viral slash weapons) so putting a serration just to have a baseline to ramp up with is better. I've had that happen to me on more than one build.
On the Phenmor none of that really matters cuz you already get the incarnon bonus. With or without base damage arcanes / mods on the Phenmor galvanized aptitude is just a good choice (if it works multiplicatively).
@@tymothy4618 wdym its hard to upkeep merciless with viral slash builds? Merciless still stacks even if enemies die from slash procs
@@rivershen8954 If you're on higher level SP missions, if your gun doesn't have base damage mods just merciless the slash procs will still kill but it might take around 2 or 3 seconds to do so. So on lua conjunction survival missions where there is a shit load of enemies yeah you'll ramp up. But on other missions you might struggle getting more than 1 or 2 stacks of merciless. A serration will just make the process quicker overall and if there isn't a better mod in slot it's a decent choice. Obv I'm not talking about god tier weapons here like Torid. I know I had that problem with the Stahlta and a +dmg riven made the weapon so much easier to use (while still using merciless). (Also yes I know almost every time a bane mod is gonna be way better in slot but I hate bane mods)
@@tymothy4618any slot you COULD put serration in
Should be a faction mod instead
Genuine question, where do you recomend us to look for builds?
Ask literally any high MR dude in region chat, avoid QnA chat like the plague though it's FILLED with trolls and people spreading shit builds
I can also recommend discord servers and popular clans, most of the veterans there who have played consistently for years will have an updated and strong build for everything
DE should just give up on one update to revamp all the frames that were left behind, because, sure, we have 50+ warframes but 10 or so of them are borderline unplayable without heavily investing in them
Bordeline unplayable where tho? Level Cap?
@@klondikelegitski675 did you even read my comment properly?
You think DE is made of money? Everything said just screams money.
@@klondikelegitski675I mean I think frost is fine as he is now but bare minimum he needs some qol changes that keep him in line with the present, and vauban totally can shred in steel path but three of his #2 balls aren't really worth using
@@jaketheman1577 could you elaborate? What does money have to do with this?
i have like 6-700h in warframe and i still have no clue how building works. And unless i basically want to go back to highschool and read the wiki for hundreds of hours, literally the only options to build my weapons and frames is either taking horrible builds from overframe OR taking horrible builds from youtube. lowkey frustrating ngl.
same. and I love how absolutely EVERYONE says their builds are the right one and everything else is trash, youtube, overframe, discord, reddit, etc doesnt matter the place its always about me me me
Equilibrium can be good with dispensery and synth fiber to have infinite energy,and when combined with valkyr,can allow you to spend whole missions invincible. (Doesnt work in duviri)
@@notaveryinterestingperson without it,you need to take damage to pick up the health orbs,synth fiber is to use orbs while at full health
@@Djmclazerit was changed w/ dagath
@@Djmclazerbros livin in 2023
same with nyx; then bring daggers to teleport around with amar set
I just trust ninjase, his builds have yet to let me down, even though I do usually start goofing around with them a bit.
This is the way. Avoid themoon85 builds at all cost. Pray ninjase has a build.
@@jusscocro772didn't that guy try to argue in one of ninjases build comments too
I use Equilibrium with my Protea alongside Combat Discipline so I can get infinite energy with her dispensary.
You can execute my ass now Saab.
You don’t need to lose heath anymore to get energy from heath orbs.
@@AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Still, the build works good like that, and I like that in low levels I can just heal everyone by just wiping the floor with the enemies
@@lagartopunkarra it would work the same without combat discipline and a different aura mod of your choice
@@lagartopunkarra he is saying you dont need combat discipline at all now. you can go for something else like idk enemy radar or corrosive projection or growing power
@5:05 Synapse > Burston Prime , Really? I just need to talk to the one's that made this happen..... (*reloads incarnon burston)
vauban is pretty nuts when built correctly, they're kinda' like octavia in that they have infinitely scaling damage based on enemy level and you can double boost his turrets with nourish viral damage and procs.
YES, but they are NOT in the same tier as Khora or mf Kullervo/Volt, they are LEAGUES apart
Yeah, he's good. But nowhere near the same ballpark as many A-tiers around him.
Yeah, for real! I started forma'ing the Vauban Prime I had collecting dust for a few years after I'd gotten the mastery for (mostly because I started hyperfixating on the ttrpg Heart: The City Beneath and wanted to make a Vermissian Knight character modelled after his aesthetic), and even with a scuffed build that can't fit half the planned mods it needs it still does okay. Once he's properly forma'd he may even be a new main for me!
@@teocappy I'm pretty sure the tier list on overframe is based on vibes
@@ZomgLolPants I'm not saying it isn't, Vauban is a great frame and i love playing with and as him, but he can't compare to the likes of Khora or Saryn, its not even fair for the trainman
Pls upload all ur builds on overframe so we can use them instead
Is there a particular reason that he hates gloom so much? Or does he just hate anything considered popular or meta?
its too over used and its jsut gotten boring
I understand how Gloom Works but I don't understand why it's Freaking Everywhere. 🤔
The Same goes for *Nourish* we already Mod for Viral and use *Zenurik* ..... So why Nourish ? 🤔
@@lookalike4805 nourish provides energy multiplier, so it's great for anyone who can generate energy by himself (like with archon stretch or innately like styanax), so it's best all-in one of energy/viral priming
Zenurik is baby's energy regen way, madurai and naramon become far more useful in late game aswell
@@lookalike4805 nourish gives viral without the need to mod for it, and since most enemies are weak to corrosive/radiation anyways. you also get multiplier for energy orbs instead of zenurik's which is just a slow energy regen in a small area
Again... I know what it does.. 🤔
Wtf is Qorvex in B tier? He is my boy, my demon core fella, my slopenheimer, the absolute nuke machine
Best build for Excalibur umbrella is
Vitalitus umbrella
Strength umbrella
Blind best
Primed stay on your legs
Primed stay on your legs
Wild duration
Narrow umbrellas☂️
You can find any type of builds on Overframe, from boring no forma base mods ones (most of the builds on the site) to interesting/funny builds focused on a particular feature of frame/weapon.
Im a newer Warframe player and I've been using Overframe for a while as a guideline for how to build and what weapons to get. Is there a better alternative for community builds and general info like that? I feel bad that im not gettin the right info after using it for so long
Yeah um warframe doesn't have the best community. Ingame it's one of the friendlier communities. But reddit and especially youtube is full of elitist schizos.
As for what to build - look into what damage types do (the status effects)
Viral is meta for lategame, because it reduces max health %
Removing armour from enemies is also important late game (that is done through warframe abilities mostly)
Anyway honestly just learn the game, don't follow "guides". It's a lot more rewarding.
If you "must" be guided check the Kengineer on youtube, he explains a lot of mechanics well.
Btw warframe wiki is your best friend ;)
To add on to what Demo's said, Warframe has such a power ceiling at higher level that you don't *need* the absolute best builds to do most content, so play what you like, test different configurations to see what works and what you enjoy, and don't get too hung up on the math. Kengineer is a great source for the numbers behind things, and OverFrame's *builder* reports the math very well if you just want to make a pure number comparison without having to go into the simulacrum.
@@zDemoGODz Ty for the tips! This helps a lot as I’ve just reached Steel Path and I’m wanting to upgrade my gameplay a bit. I’ll keep this in mind!
@@AGrumpyPanda Gotcha, I was under the impression that one build is popular amongst a lot of players since it’s the strongest. I used to play a lot of Genshin where the building system in that game is pretty similar so I have a better understanding of how to go about things now. Tysm!!
@@Yeahitsjin The problem is the majority of people play well below the 'endgame' content and wouldn't know what an optimal build looked like if you slapped them with it. That's not a problem, it just means what's popular doesn't equal what's best.
00:48
"What are you doing here Equinox?"
"Oh nothing, casually doing 70 million aoe slash hits to the entire map every 5 seconds."
Mmm x to doubt 70mil every 5 seconds. You gotta kill stuff to stack up the damage, remember?
@@zDemoGODz One heavy strike with a melee weapon like ninkana prime, azothane or harmony does over 150 million to a single target, which instantly gives 50% of its damage to equinoxes slash gauge numbnuts.
Hildryn/ember/garuda/lavos melting/oneshoting everything on steel path reading this: '-'
Caliban seeing over rated frames above him cause of tits: 😢
With Dante out, Equinox should be embarrassed.
Bro who the fuck thought the Tigris Prime should be in A tier
Probably a Fault in the way Votes are Tallied. 🤔
The meta from 8 years thought so XD
I mean you are right that overframe is trash but some of your takes here are on the same level dude you have the knowledge of someone that's played for under a year
Calibro here: our peg leg sentient boi is still pretty strong. He is a weapons platform with 3 goons that give you enough shield regen to face tank shit. Could use some work still but he does do good.
Big part of the problem....there doesn't seem to be any GOOD source to go to for help that looks official enough to be taken seriously...and warframe itself doesn't lend itself to being easy to get good at but whenever folks ask outright for help the majority of responses they get online are from people who are just downright toxic
Hydroid not being at least A is crazy, his rework has made him such a solid frame now. He has loot gathering with Tentacle Swarm, Plunder gives him over 1k armor making early steelpath a joke, not to mention the corrosive damage buff it gives, Tidal Surge gives you movement and s as well as status immunity if you run the augment. I usually helminth off Tempest Barrage so i don't use it enough to vouch for it.
Sevagoth being in A is hilarious. He get a buff i didn't notice? Because dude outside of gloom he is kind of mid at best.
And i have said it before Mag is easy A tier for Magnetize alone.
I still use over frame and a lot of the non super up voted builds are actually really solid and thought out. Use it about for weapons, just change it to the latest patch and you get some current builds
Wait what’s wrong with equilibrium?😭
Nothing, Sab just stuck in 2020 when it worked differently
The problem with overframe's tier list is that most people only vote for the frames they really like or really dislike and are biased. Not many people are voting for frames they view as mid tier
should do a series of you trying overframe builds and rating them i think it would be fun
i have only played the first few hours of Warframe and i have no concept of buildcrafting. all i know is that i know nothing and that you are wrong. why? i don't know.
Those fools dont even know how to mod the MIGHTY SEER
Dude do you have a life?
why are you hearting this fucking cringe
Maybe, maybe not. But he does have a MIGHTY SEER. Do you have a MIGHTY SEER?@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb
@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb The mighty seer is life.
Master, I embraced the power of MIGHTY SEER as you told me. It does not need mods. Actually, it's mods that have a need in the MIGHTY SEER. It is the MIGHTY SEER's above divine MIGHT that makes them what they are.
I feel like it's important to note that the majority of the players that are voting on these tier lists likely aren't even doing Steel Path.
They're not the youtubers that derive their income from warframe content. They're certainly not doing any mission past 30 mins. They're probably not doing omnia fissures. Probably not doing netracells or EDA. These are the people that play maybe a few hours a week.
Genuine question because I recently returned to the game.
If overframe is this bad. Where should I go to learn how to build weapons/frames and also see what's good/bad/mid?
i also dont understand, warframe's official discord server has a channel dedicated to builds and all, but its really confusing and if you ask for help on modding, they tell you to get good and to look into said channel
warframe really needs to get better in that aspect tbh
My recommendation, go to the search bar and search the weapon, and avoid videos from thefthardsquad, knightmareframe, and so on.
Look for lower view count on builds from channels in the same vein as mcgamers, coolkid, more meme channels, I can go on, but just avoid the larger CCs.
I can't say much about sites like overframe
Glad someone else is enjoying invulnerable loki. Fun fact, the invulnerability cannot be removed as far as I can tell. Nullies and falling in pits doesn't strip it.
At 6:30 that's ninjase he actually makes good builds. If u need a build use his they actually make sense
And he actually explains everything in the description, in a lot of builds
I swear loki is so criminally underrated by everyone. Subsume off decoy for silence, go high duration, safeguard switch + ireadiating disarm and you get a levelcap capable warframe with simmilar levels of immortality to revenant that is actually kinda fun to play.
Absolutely agree! This video calling out players who "don't know what they're talking about" actually exposed this guy for not knowing what he's talking about 😂
whats the hate for equilibrium?
Whole video author try to criticize subjective tier liest with arguments like "I dont like it"
I'm relatively new, and I use it as a general guide as to how people use the frames. I don't use the tier list as an end all be all, but as a "this is pretty good, this isn't too great"
Equinox deadass on the overshadowed zone now since her entire kit is kinda the bare minimum mix of what other frames can entirely do on greater scale.
Judging by the way this guy critiques builds, I'll definitely never take any info from him. Also, pretty annoying humor.
So the thing is, votes don't reset. The tier list is 'updated' but if someone went on overframe 3 years ago and voted ignis s tier and torid b or c tier those votes are still in there, regardless of how the meta or the gear itself changed since then.
I use overframe regularly to plan out builds so I know how many/what forma I need, and sometimes to look at a few builds to see if there are any synergies or fun ideas I missed. For that it's great. For actual build advice it's shit.
Overframe may be bad, but it helps me build
I'm sorry.
Overframe is fine. Stop letting TH-camrs gaslight you.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines If you're the majority of players who dont even know SP exist
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines It's not fine if you're doing anything outside of star chart, and if that's the case, you can slap on any mods in any order and be perfectly fine.
It's decent for seeing what the stats of a something will be for planning a build before you start spending forma.
I love that the Zephyr builds are actually good because there's a grand total of 5 or so people playing them so it's like an open forum of sorts discussion lol
If not over Frame then where we go?
just learn to build youself
@@CoffeFilter I've been playing for ten years, but it would be hubris to assume I can't still learn as it evolves and changes
To be more clear, what other resources is there other then over Frame? Cause over Frame is fairly dominant
Equilnox is a good frame though??? They are easy to build for both dps and support though
shes a weird middle ground of being both a support and a dps, not really specialized in either but more as a "jack of all trades", which for general star chart play can be fantastic as she fits many situations but for high level stuff like steel path it can be harder (not impossible just harder) to have a multi tool frame instead of a frame specialized for what it does
Overframe took away my wife and kids and ruined my life, wouldn't recommend it. 👎
It's a cruel world, isn't it?
@@13lueBomber Yes 😔
Equinox and Limbo should be put in their own tier above s
Limbo can make loki players truly suffer in hecc
But equinox?
Equinox with negative power will make you take 5x more damage, and make the enemies tankier
TRULY A FRAME MOMENT
all jokes aside, as a newer player who just recently got into SP, where do you recommend I get builds from? I obviously lack experience and knowledge to make my own builds cause i’m too stupid for that, so where can I learn or copy builds from that consistently are pretty good?
Most 'bigger' warframe YTers make at the very least passable builds so try copy them even tho some only do endgame builds so you need to change depending on what you need(likely dont have quite a few mods) but most of them explain why you have certain stats
Get them from your Brain ...
Where do you think the People who share their Builds get their Builds From ? 😳
@@lookalike4805 wow it’s almost just like.. I just said I’m a brand new player, I started a week ago. I could do research on understanding mod combos but that will only take me to a limit until I spend more time in the game understanding them, so thanks.
@@Zopeee thanks I appreciate it! do you have any particular youtubers in mind you’d recommend?
@@페넬크리스토퍼 i think the Kengineer and LeyzarGaming are pretty fine. LeyzarGaming shows builds for both new and old players. MCGamer shows fun builds to mess around with any weapon.
Anyways, stay away from KnightmareFrame is all that i ask of you. He is a big meme in the community, known for always telling people to build Primed Sure Footed (he even put it on Atlas, which has knockdown immunity anyways when youre on the ground)
I made a Vauban build once. I wanted to maximize armour stripping speed, and have it immediately turn into a vortex upon armour strip. The idea was to get full efficacy without slowing down the mission with loads of random cc zones all over pulling enemies into arcane geometry or stopping them around corners. I sacrificed a lot of duration to make that happen. The idea is that you could throw out a Bastille and then immediately drop a Photon Strike on the pile as it gets full strip in like... 2-3 seconds.
So I ended up looking at Helminth options that would support a low-duration, high-strength build. And surprisingly, a lot of options that like strength also don't especially like low duration, or aren't especially synergistic with Vauban's kit.
Something with permanent effects, that likes strength. Something that might take advantage of Vortex or Bastille, maybe some negative that would be ignored by them. Then it hit me. Sentient Wrath! All the projectiles would home on the clustered enemies, give them extra damage vuln.
And then I go in, and I play around with the build. And you know what?
I just realized I made a worse Caliban, and just went back to playing Caliban.
Truly it really boils down to just quitting on watching these warframe slop videos and visiting these websites with "build this, build that" nonsense. Just gotta teach yourself all the damage mechanics, mod mechanics, and how to mod accordingly, most of all, just do whatever is fun and managable, I'm out here running patagium and aero vantage because it's awesome to float in the air for no reason
honestly just watch whatever the most recent damge video from thekenginer is
Equinox's entire DPS relies on her other squad member's DPS (plus her own). Whether that's a plus or a minus varies based on where's people use her. She could give crazy Power Strength buff on the Circuit with the right decrees and help speed up Circuit stages, but she's kinda meh in everything else without hyper optimization.
As for her Night form, there are other frames that are more specialized for that role and can do the job better.
As someone who has Equinox in my top 5 played frames...
Equinox certainly can be better than Grendel.
Sure Equinox can certainly be better if ur dogwater at Grendel
@@ew264 Hahaha. No.
@@SeanPAllen I mean youre wrong but sure… Every frame is viable and if u like Equinox then play her but Grendel is FAR better. I understand that you have a massive inferiority complex and cannot take a hit to your ego but you will have to face reality. Equinox is bad, Grendel is pretty good.
@@ew264 The irony is palpable. Have a great night.
@@SeanPAllen You are not an intellectual
8:13 It reminds me back when I was brainstorming my Akaten build for my Manifold Bond Hound. I was discussing about it in the Warframe Discord server and Ninjase gave me their build for Akaten with tons of status chance on it and explained it's for my Hound if it ever attacks. For a Manifold Bond build. That will already put tons of status effects on enemies with the Hound's Abilities...
I spent like nearly 2000 hours before I actually tried Overframe at some point.
This was during the whole shield gate meta and it instantly made me hate the site and try to keep new players away from it as much as possible.
The only thing I use gloom on is banshee. Is this acceptable to all of you?
Ah Frick I commented to early. I promise it's literally just a lazy build
Its still a good option.
When was the last time you genuinely tried equinox?
To be fair, there are other nukes that do the job better. That is comming from an equinox main.
I remember during the time I've played, the only guides I ever believed in were those of Ninjase, Moon's were usually outdated so I pretty much relied on Ninjase.
When i played i only used ninjase builds because people told me most other people dont know how to build