Warframe: Overframe Is AWFUL (How NOT To Build)
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"Knightmareframe fears this build." 💀
That’s a good one 💀
Ofc he does it has 10 primed sure footed
Primed Magazine Warp Glaxion.
Where can I find a more accurate tier list?
@@Gildedbolt in a baby tennos note book
so gloompilled, rangecore gloommaxxing peacefully in a defense mission
You will not make it through the summer
The streamers are the reason for the gloom builds .
@@cptfarzkizz8823 that's why we're all depressed
So I can actually explain the tier lists(kinda)! Someone on the Brozime stream commented that the ratings aren't purged or reset, so for frames like Yareli and Grendel they aren't reset after their reworks and fixes. The updates I believe just add the new votes, rather than removing the old ones. Apologies if this is incorrect, but Overframe is also completely inscrutable and doesnt even show the number of votes. This also isn't a defense, to be clear; it's further condemnation.
Went over this in the vid. They are updated regularly and are averaged out by new votes. Most are still reflective on where the community places them overall.
@@Sabuuchi eh unless we have a higher weighting on new votes that’s still kinda taking on all the votes a frame still previously had and knowing Warframe players they aren’t going to vote twice or as you’re implying change their stubborn mind on frames even after relatively good changes
@@Sabuuchito be fair I don’t think that most people who were initially outraged by how shit these frames were are going to go back and correct their votes.
@@pixelmaster9964 also people arnt really going to go back and shit on an old good frame, Equi is still A because of legacy votes unbalanced with newer votes
@@Sabuuchi unfortunately, being "averaged out" just means that the large number of old votes submitted over many years or on the initial release far outnumber the new votes put in. Look at the votes for grendel and yareli and you can see a huge chunk of D rank votes that outnumber the rest, but still a large chunk off votes for the higher tiers as well. People just dont change their votes that they made in outrage.
Primed Sure Footed.
HUGE DPS UPGRADE.
Prime Sure Footed is Warframe's Wayward Compass.
It is absolutely fucking op.
To be fair, it is a little dps upgrade, courtesy of you not being down on your ass in groups of eximus units.
you have infinitely more dps when you are not dead
@@adrioumario1369 I am very confused about this statement, are you talking hollow knight? is the wayward compass in hollow knight somehow op? how is psf op also lmao
Most of the time, I have to forma a frame to use PSF. I feel lazy most of the time, so I just put in Handspring
Yareli under Loki is peak comedy honestly.
i mean Loki is a Crowd control god
@@error_3754 not even close to a god. just a dubious little creature with soft cc and no innate damage potential, completely beholden to the power of a weapon you're using. Doesn't have own survivability and damage, which Yareli has in spades, on top of CC, and that leaves her with a helminth slot to do even more insane shit. Loki has his use, but in no universe is he better.
@@error_3754what time machine did you step out of? Lmao
@@error_3754 crowd control god? Absolutely not even remotely close
@@error_3754 no
I find it funny how the Zephyr builds werent that bad since the only people who play Zephyr are Zephyr mains who probably only play Zephyr.
too much zephyr in one sentence for my brain to understand
@@furiuscatpl5541 good bird builds because bird mains only play bird
same reason why the xaku build was good
also as soon as I read the xaku build title I knew it was by someone who is actually fun
Me when I'm in a "Make an absolute dogshit Warframe build with the most unwarranted confidence" competition and my opponent is ThEMoon85. Dude is honestly probably the one person most responsible for making Overframe as badly reputed as it is, because he ABSOLUTELY is manipulating something to ensure his builds are always at the highest popularity.
That and he has the world's most easily bruised ego. Literally seen the dude trying to start beef with other people because they questioned something on one of his builds.
When you ask somebody a question about their build and they start freaking out, you know the build is bad lmao
That name is familiar 😂 absolute tool everywhere on the site, probably the reason forma take a day to be built
actually true. I should make a greasemonkey script that hides their builds lol
i wouldn't be surprised if that guy bots his own overframe votes. all of his builds get massive numbers like he's a fucking celebrity or something, but when it comes to his comments there are usually like 0-10 of them. at the absolute maximum there's like 30-40 comments. where the fuck are the hundreds or even thousands of voters?
what about the ninjase guy?
It's a good thing Sab didn't check builds for Nekros. Pretty sure he would have exploded seeing fifth equilibrium+gloom set up in a row.
I feel like Nekros is one of the few Equil/Gloom frames that has some sort of validity
@@halcyon1644 Yup, he's one of the few where Gloom is objectively a good choice. He can keep it up easily, Gloom counteracts Terrify's running away mechanic and he can use Arcane Eruption alongside Gloom for shutting down entire rooms without having to do anything but just kill stuff.
Him and Banshee are like the 2 frames that really make sense for Gloom, don't get why it's so popular on Saryn to be honest, and I even removed it from Sevagoth coz there was more fun/better stuff to run on him.
@NinjaSyao I'd wager it's used on Saryn so much because she's both insanely good at killing things, the amount she can heal with it is _stupid_ based on that metric.
@@laynegrey2003it’s because the enemies don’t have to be in range of gloom for life steal to function, so gloom can keep her healed from spores that are still spreading four rooms over. It won’t save her in really long endurance runs but for most content it’s comfortable. The new Eclipse for 75% DR is probably better now since it lets her shields stay up longer, but old gloom builds still at least function.
The problem with Overframe tier list is, as told in the video, that it is more of a popularity contest than an actual metric of performance (Ignis S tier lol). Also, in my opinion, the list has too little tiers and it makes the existing tiers have not much consistency.
And there is a problem with the definition of tiers; what makes a weapon "the best of the best"? Its accessiblity? Its biggest possible dps? How many formas and/or how much of a setup it takes for it to be SP/lvl cap viable? Or is it the combination of it all? This makes it hard to accurately give a weapon/frame its rating, hence the proble with Overframe tier list.
It's also, just, like. Some weapons have a one thing they do good. The ones that delete the new deimos disruption necramechs, for example - is that what you want to run outside of that? hell no lmao
And at the same time, if you just wanna run SP survival or something, you can take just about any weapon, slap it on a Saryn built as a weapons platform (strength, range, shield gate, subsume xata's or roar depending on weapon) and make dudes explode. Long as it's got some way to hit lots of dudes, at least.
The real explanation is that old votes don't go away. Ignis wraith was amazing for a long period of time, but people don't remove or change their old votes, so it sits there. This explains a vast majority of the discrepancies. Previously good but super dated and outclassed warframe like loki, oberron, and trinity are still rated highly. Warframe released super bad like grendel and yareli, so people voted badly, and then didnt change votes when they were reworked and buffed. I dont expect people to be perfectly accurate in their votes, but this issue of not deleting old votes is causing the vast majority of misplacements.
The worst part is phantasma that's under It in A tier, the phantasma that can proc heat so fast that steel path enemies are easily deleted unlike ignis and has infinite punch-trhough
Another issue is that they don't refresh it, which means if a frame gets reworked, the tier list doesn't care after seven years of D-rank votes, Hydroid.
if theres anything ive learned from watching various warframe youtubers: its that literally everyone says that literally everyone else's builds are trash. use what you enjoy friends. dont listen to any of these guys.
Most of the points he makes are valid though. I agree play what you want but if you're going to go on a website and post your builds being like "this is the best build ever" and are wasting slots on useless stuff, people should point that out.
Better than "build however you want" is actually learning the game so you don't need to leech builds, and you'll know who's builds are good.
@NeightrixPrime i said use what you enjoy illiterate mf
@@NeightrixPrime that actually is part of the reason I agree with sab dunking on the builds- He's mostly reacting to the top builds on the site, and if someone doesn't know what makes a build good or bad they're just going to use the top build on the site assuming "hey it's at the top it must be good." They should learn what makes builds good or bad but these builds is just going to teach them the wrong lessons.
@@NeightrixPrime But still, even then, its always appreaciated when someone knows how to do the math and shares a min/maxed build for endgame, and not everyone is capable to cook those builds.
Buried along the thousands of trash builds in overframe you can find some pretty well written guides that just work, it's just a tiny part of them.
Even if you know your stuff, some warframes have more layers and interactions that i didn't know how to exploit, and that's when some of these builds are genuinely interesting. It's just there is no real way to curate top builds in such a site.
Armor archon shards on Mesa has me losing my mind.
AI generated looking ass builds
Archon shard*, singular, because ofcourse 150 is pumping up that survivability through the roof already.
I uh, put 4 on my mesa and it actually is kinda useful
1 tau isn't terrible tbh, her base armor is laughable (thus Umbral Fiber is bad) yet she usually functions as a healthtank. with +1 tau her armor goes from 135 -> 360, aka DR from 31% -> 54.5%. if you opt not to do this you are effectively taking 1.5x damage on health (from taking 45.5% dmg to 69% (nice)), or having to make up for it with Arcane Guardian or Health Conversion. or pillagetank or something but you get my point
@@Malurth Use her Shatter Shield FFS! it gives 90% DR when you put in minimal Power Strength!
I consider myself an oberon fan, i bought his prime access back in the day, the fact that he is even looking at A tier is a fucking crime. His only redeeming quality right now is his saving throw augment for his entire team, thats it. He's completely outclassed by Styanax and is probably about to be outclassed again by jade
I mean, hes also completely outclassed by Citrine. Citrine doesnt have to pay Energy to give Regeneration, she gives Regen in Affinity Range, she can give 90% DR in Affinity range, Health Orbs basically on command, and force Red Crits with her 4. If you throw Pillage over her 3 you also get Armor Strip, Shield Strip and Status Cleanse. its really sad to see how Goat boy has fallen over the years, I remember Oberon being my second ever built frame, back when I started in 2017.
I mean he is outclassed by a sentinel mod for the 1 life missions as it even has less cooldown
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers
In the barest defence of Oberon, he can heal way more than Citrine, but that's about it.
It really sucks, Oberon was basically what convinced me to keep playing.
I miss the carpet so much.
Literally Oberon has 1 job currently and that's in plague star lazy meta runs as mindnumbingly simple armor strip of the boss, as wisp (assuming you can find 1 that's not a shock trolling scrub) can out do the passive regen by a lot and the 2 main overguard frames can provide more active survivability
It isn't a bad frame it's just been made obsolete by more modern frames just like frost and equinox where they aren't bad it's just there is something better for the job they used to be used for
Share build, I'm cooking his prime next
the craziest thing about this is the valkyr with hunter adrenaline and umbral fiber while her hysteria makes her invincible...
This is ultime 200IQ move together with Sure Footed + Atlas
"HUUUUGE DPS INCREASE"
They probably aren't using Hysteria. A lot of people don't these days due to exalted melee weapons lagging behind standard ones.
@@xrufus7x468Also because not everyone wants to just be literally unkillable all the time, I do, but only if it took effort. Which is why I haven't touched Octavia since leveling the first time, waaay too easy
Yeah assuming the person building her was going for hysteria and it was a recent build it would be best to instead use precision intensify + augur secrets to balance out the other abilities instead of dropping 2 umbra forma to increase umbral intensify, it would make her 4 stronger + give her the augur bonus on the off chance you whip a rifle out and your shields pop
The problem with overframe is that both builds and tierlist are based of total votes, with most of them being years old and not updated/re-voted.
Some builds on the "top weapons" havent been updated in years,for example the number 1 build for acceltra before acceltra prime released didnt use galvanized mods, and it had over 300 votes compared to the second one.
You're absolutely right, you get a lot of stuff like that. Like yareli on release was originally voted in D tier and she has been powered up like crazy and many people have just not bothered changing their votes. So she's C because of vote weighting. Also, I assume many people vote based on memory and what they've heard, not played, of a frame.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the "mag is shit" meme from 500 million years ago still has effect on Mag's placement.
Equinox sisters...... one day we will get our rework. :(
One day DE has to make both versions of Equinox equally strong, and make it so we can play both in a not clunky state
If they brought the clone augment on par with the old Wuclone her usage you raise through the roof
Pray to Pablo
Equinox got a buff with Jade Shadows update. Damage rework and secondary fortifier arcane gives her more survivability. Equinox with Overguard +Energy Transfer Augment lets you build shield until you’re ready to pop maim. Been experimenting with solo steel path and you can very quickly build 2.5 mil damage as long as you have a weapon that doesn’t require damage buffs prior to being able to kill.
The main drawback is you need good energy efficiency or a way to supplement it. She really excels in Ascension and High Level SP Circuit runs. She’s not perfect now, but also not dead weight.
300 more assassinations
At least, after 300 more I may finally get the complete freaking set
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I never thought to go all in on Range for Zephyr, I wanted Duration just so her three could last longer. I gotta go back in the kitchen and cook.
EDIT: Also Equilibrium good, cope.
her three needs a base duration buff honestly
@@its_deer What's Turbulence at base?
10 seconds @@lucasfraczek4320
@@lucasfraczek4320 20s at base
@@ariaangela3455 Oh that is horrendous, what the fuck DE...
I love slash and breed procs!
Yareli mating press
slash and WHAT?
@@Sabuuchi what did he saaaaaaaaay
Breed? Hand me some of that good stuff your using
Garuda would like to have a worf
To be fair, the reason you use tempest barage with green Shards is because you put on Viral Tempest to get viral, corrosive, heat with just abilities. That will trigger Manifold Bond on Nautalis' cordon, which is really strong for protea. It works, but there are a lot of other alternatives.
huh maybe youre right. that makes sense actually. But then wouldnt the turrets have barely any use since youll probably end up killing enemies with tempest barrage in the first place? also Nautilus' cordon isnt really the best of grouping if your playstyle is to stay far and safe.
Oh yeah protea's 1 also already gives slash status no?
@@rivershen8954I like Sab don’t get me wrong but the protea triple green shards with viral tempest barrage makes even deep archedea a joke turret do millions of heat damage and your basically unkillable with no energy issues ever sooooooo
@@aDESTROYER_50 But Temporal Erosion is right there, save the green shards for other frames...
@@aDESTROYER_50 2 green shards is enough. Also as Tryburos says, and i paraphrase, "Even if you do a million damage per shot, if the enemy realistically only has 50k HP, youre still only doing 50k damage"
@@rivershen8954 3rd shard buffs damage to corrosive procd enemies and big number = happy chemical
i just use this site to 1. question why people built something the way they did
and 2. dread how much forma im gonna have to dunk on a shitty weapon JUST because i had a horrible shower "what if" moment
I'm in the second phase, and somehow find enjoyment with it ahah) I just simply don't want to run same set of weapons. I've paid for my slots Imma use em all damn it!
@@TimesOldRoman now watch me slap on 5-6 forma on a ghoulsaw
@@shuples Buy a riven as well for total mental degradation build we cookin' now
Now I need an ambassador riven for my 6 forma cry for help build ahah
@@TimesOldRoman already rolled a CC CD riven
love seeing this while I'm desperately trying not to give in to investing 15 forma into the kulstar as my yareli weapon instead of the currently crafting akarius prime
Worth mentioning that old votes never get taken off, so if people don't revote then things keep getting held back. Example is how 77% of all votes on the torid place it in S tier but it still has D and C tier votes that keep the average low. Its an awful system.
also equilibrium is amazing if you run a synth deconstruct companion.
After the stream, I went to check Ember Prime builds, oops all Gloom or Nourish.
I'd also like to point out that the Gloom Protea is using an augur mod.
wh- really? I was using Breach Surge with Molt Reconstruct because I was too lazy to get Augmented :kek:
become heat pilled and subsume on Thermal Sunder with Thermal Transfer and Fireball Frenzy
Why bro spergs out at Equilibriumis
he sperged about the website, builds, and tier list. he just spergs. thats his shtick. cringe shit.
I like Equilibrium.
It's nice if you don't have a max rank Energize, and the Synth mod is a nice Sentinel filler mod
Then you will love purple archon shards
Assuming a KPM of 100, Equilibrium + Synth deconstruct is 25 energy/s and scales further, while Energize caps out at 10energy/s (and that's assuming you're proccing it at the right timing).
Also Protea's Dispensary gives Empowered Health Orbs, so standing on top of it with Equilibrium is 18.3energy/s on average at base strength without accounting for the energy orbs 22.425energy/s with them.
So yeah, I'd rather use cooler and way cheaper arcanes than Energize and still have infinite energy, tyvm.
@@raven_knight_076 that's a Helminth segment I have to grind for, two archon shards I have to grind for, and permanently fuse together quite a few times just to replace a mod for.
I know Deep Archimedean is an option now but I'd rather spend my time on something else, honestly.
@raven_knight_076 :0 there's purple crystals too (I'm so behind I never finished Duviri in launch)
This is the exact issue guns in Destiny have, realistically no average player really knows what a good build for high level content looks like so they just post what they think their idea of meta is.
That's a lie destiny guns are way to simple. I hate how every gun feels similar. It's not hard to make a raid build in destiny or a nightfall. Pretty much whatever gun plus well of radiance. Doing anything pass that is completely unnecessary. Destiny guns are way too Close In damage. Imagine if guns did 20 or 30 million difference in damage. Grenade launcher don't even feel aoe. Blast radius is miniscule. most perks are marginal increases. Most of time in destiny dps just isn't there because someone messes up. If everyone just doesn't die and empty clips. The boss will die. Tbh the real problem is what's the point of getting another gun if it's literally just the gun you have now but in a different color.exotics should have been the weapon standard tbh.
@@jaketheman1577 how many raid seals do you have
@@jaketheman1577I feel like we played two very different versions of Destiny 2
@RavenUwU605 I played since the game came out(destiny 1). I've done raid multiple times and have like 7k hours across a couple accounts. Destiny is just one dimensional. I even played after all my friends left and with no one to play with it made Destiny's flaws even more apparent.
@@jaketheman1577 how many flawless raids/lowman raids did you do in destiny 2
Equinox in A teir while frost and hydriod are in B is actually insane
Pillage actually counts as a channeled ability while it is deployed (before you gain your shields from it). That's 4 channel ability Hildryn with Intention, that's hilarious. Intention also heals you when it activates, meaning Pillage periodically working is actually great.
The reason for the "future meta" tag on the tenet glaxion isn't for the build itself, but rather the slated changes to the cold status effect potentially allowing for the freezing of entire squads.
so this is how not to build, but why?
all i see is "haha this is awful" and then it switches to something else to repeat.
This is my first time on channel, how do I know you know these are bad if all you give is "its bad cuz said so"
Right? Content for content's sake, no substance. Probably an absolute JOY to play with, I'm sure.
Sabuuchi unfortunately turned from a nice warframe youtuber to an annoying elitist, just ignore this channel.
I thought chroma would be spared from the bullying today.
please god save him
Hey there! I'm actually the person who made one of the Caliban and Yareli builds in this video. Thanks for talking over some of my builds!
That Caliban build is actually one of my worst builds. When Caliban released I very much wanted to post a purely for fun Summoner build for him, and it just so ended up that that one blew up. It was posted originally the day after Caliban released! It was designed to just have fun with summoning his Conculysts and not really do much else! XD It hasn't been updated for a LONG time, and I was a bit sad to see you didn't check out my other Caliban build right underneath, which I tried much harder on and which I believe solves a lot of the problems with Caliban as a warframe, and with the other build in general.
As for the Yareli build, I think personally that build is pretty good, but I totally understand a lot of the criticism you mentioned. I have thought about swapping Arcane Avenger to Molt Augmented and using the freed up mod space for strength to run more Ability Efficiency for the Sea Snares from Loyal Merulina, and I've been going back and forth on it as that build mainly uses Yareli as a pure gun platform, with the Tenet Cycron. Still though, I really value the suggestions! Thank you!
Thank you for your contributions to the game, I love using your builds- they're simple and really helpful for a modding noob like me!
a good summoner build is subsuming warcry and building caliban for health an armor, meanwhile your sentients get stupid high attack speed and get hella tanky
that yareli build becomes immediately amazing with a synth deconstruct dethcube w/ helstrum. I actually assumed that's what you had in mind. all the conditional buffs become massively more consistent, with some free status priming from the helstrum. it's perfectly synergistic. only thing I could mention is that streamline is a bit redundant after all those energy sources.
but, yeah, I'm definitely trying this build out, it's fun twist on a health tanking yareli that I hadn't thought of, and just as someone who happens to main her, I think you did great on that!
@@_.violyse._ The one reason to run Streamline on top of all the energy sources is to reduce the Cooldown of Loyal Merulina's fired sea snares :) The cooldown is directly linked to efficiency. Thanks!
I agree on this tier list being wrong and having to many frames in A and B tier. Everyone should be and C tier and Limbo should be the only one in S tier.
Limbo should be in its own tier, the "Limbo" above S tier
Warframe in 2016 moment
Most sane limbo player:
ninjase actually has good builds though
Yes. I use a lot of them and then tweak. His Ocucor build is a great example, also his Day/Night Equinox.
Heres my problem with the Overframe Hate, Yes it has many problems, but there is not a single other source of Text ,or picture based build guides out there. I despise watching 5-10 minute videos so some youtuber can explain a build when i can just read a description. There is no competition to Overframe, it has a monopoly over this part of the Warframe build space. So yes feel free to complain about how shit the website is, but until you or someone else makes a better one, i will still use it.
The average warframe clan has discord that shares builds
Umm, Warframe Builder? Hasn't it been around longer than Overframe too?
Overframe and youtuber builds are temporary, Ninjase builds are forever.
warframe isn't even that overly complicated unless you are specifically gunning for min-max shenanigans out of boredom. i maybe used overframe twice if only to get a point of reference on how to build a certain frame.
And people are extremists, every build in this video can complete SP, so they are not trash. People use those words for everything that isnt meta slave
If I may, is there a reason Sabuuchi hates equilibrium so much?
Question I have as well
I'm assuming he was just alluding to Archon Shards, like Violet ones can do the same thing as Equilibrium
It's more of a waste of mod space if you think about it.
Same thing with Natural Talent cos of Amber Archon Shards
Of course not saying Archon Shards are always better
I mean at the start, Temporal Incenerosion Protea is right there but ppl have a build with double Emerald Archon Shards with Tempest Barrage subsume???? with it's Viral augment
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
Probably because it's being overused in general, but it's especially bad on frames without any health orb generation.
@@SlyRocko It's good on any frame if you use Diriga and Synth.
To be fair a warframe tier list is nonsensical considering every frame feels good to play in the late game with the right build.
Khora, Revenant and Mag not on S tier however is criminal.
Weapons do need a tier list tho. Some completely outperform most other weapons. Others can be very underwhelming.
why is equilibrium hated so much, especially on protea? if you have a source of health orbs and flow it can be really good and sometimes even allows you to bypass energize
The key is in the "if" part. Most warframes do not have a reliable way to generate health orbs, and the slot is wasted on something that could be better for the specific build
Equilibrium good. Also, am I crazy or aren't galvanized shot / aptitude mods good with raw damage mods (serration, heavy caliber) on *some* weapons because they give multiplicative damage? 7:42 , yeah the heavy caliber on Phenmor is bad, but galvanized aptitude is ok?
it's because most weapon arcanes already give damage and arcane damage+ with mod damage + are additive not multiplicative so if you unlocked sp you will probably never use serration or heavy caliber anymore unless you are doing a very specific build
@@danilim7529 While that is true and it's also what I use on most builds I feel like sometimes it's really hard to keep up merciless on some weapons (especially auto viral slash weapons) so putting a serration just to have a baseline to ramp up with is better. I've had that happen to me on more than one build.
On the Phenmor none of that really matters cuz you already get the incarnon bonus. With or without base damage arcanes / mods on the Phenmor galvanized aptitude is just a good choice (if it works multiplicatively).
@@tymothy4618 wdym its hard to upkeep merciless with viral slash builds? Merciless still stacks even if enemies die from slash procs
@@rivershen8954 If you're on higher level SP missions, if your gun doesn't have base damage mods just merciless the slash procs will still kill but it might take around 2 or 3 seconds to do so. So on lua conjunction survival missions where there is a shit load of enemies yeah you'll ramp up. But on other missions you might struggle getting more than 1 or 2 stacks of merciless. A serration will just make the process quicker overall and if there isn't a better mod in slot it's a decent choice. Obv I'm not talking about god tier weapons here like Torid. I know I had that problem with the Stahlta and a +dmg riven made the weapon so much easier to use (while still using merciless). (Also yes I know almost every time a bane mod is gonna be way better in slot but I hate bane mods)
@@tymothy4618any slot you COULD put serration in
Should be a faction mod instead
7:06 This is actually a super nice playstyle for Protea that I actually just used today to easily solo Elite Archimedia. You use Tempest Barrage with green shards and the augment to apply corrosive & viral and armor strip the enemies, and then the blaze turrets take care of the rest. Trust me, they cooked! 😂
damn never thought i would see you here
I want to try that zephyr build
Won't be hard since loid only gives me eruption. Also a ground finisher Nikana zaw with the exodia that spreads your damage?
Im a newer Warframe player and I've been using Overframe for a while as a guideline for how to build and what weapons to get. Is there a better alternative for community builds and general info like that? I feel bad that im not gettin the right info after using it for so long
Yeah um warframe doesn't have the best community. Ingame it's one of the friendlier communities. But reddit and especially youtube is full of elitist schizos.
As for what to build - look into what damage types do (the status effects)
Viral is meta for lategame, because it reduces max health %
Removing armour from enemies is also important late game (that is done through warframe abilities mostly)
Anyway honestly just learn the game, don't follow "guides". It's a lot more rewarding.
If you "must" be guided check the Kengineer on youtube, he explains a lot of mechanics well.
Btw warframe wiki is your best friend ;)
To add on to what Demo's said, Warframe has such a power ceiling at higher level that you don't *need* the absolute best builds to do most content, so play what you like, test different configurations to see what works and what you enjoy, and don't get too hung up on the math. Kengineer is a great source for the numbers behind things, and OverFrame's *builder* reports the math very well if you just want to make a pure number comparison without having to go into the simulacrum.
@@zDemoGODz Ty for the tips! This helps a lot as I’ve just reached Steel Path and I’m wanting to upgrade my gameplay a bit. I’ll keep this in mind!
@@AGrumpyPanda Gotcha, I was under the impression that one build is popular amongst a lot of players since it’s the strongest. I used to play a lot of Genshin where the building system in that game is pretty similar so I have a better understanding of how to go about things now. Tysm!!
@@Yeahitsjin The problem is the majority of people play well below the 'endgame' content and wouldn't know what an optimal build looked like if you slapped them with it. That's not a problem, it just means what's popular doesn't equal what's best.
Genuine question, where do you recomend us to look for builds?
Ask literally any high MR dude in region chat, avoid QnA chat like the plague though it's FILLED with trolls and people spreading shit builds
I can also recommend discord servers and popular clans, most of the veterans there who have played consistently for years will have an updated and strong build for everything
I use Equilibrium with my Protea alongside Combat Discipline so I can get infinite energy with her dispensary.
You can execute my ass now Saab.
You don’t need to lose heath anymore to get energy from heath orbs.
@@AAAAHHHHHHHHHH Still, the build works good like that, and I like that in low levels I can just heal everyone by just wiping the floor with the enemies
@@lagartopunkarra it would work the same without combat discipline and a different aura mod of your choice
@@lagartopunkarra he is saying you dont need combat discipline at all now. you can go for something else like idk enemy radar or corrosive projection or growing power
Whats the hatred for equalibrium?
For real, I use it on my Nekros Prime and it makes the fucker immortal.
@@lucasfraczek4320Thats a very specific situation, since Nekros's passive lets him create guaranteed health orbs on kill. On most other frames equilibrium get way outclassed by so many other types of energy and health generation that it's not worth the mod slot. The joke hatred probably comes from all the people who call it a god tier mod.
@@tayloraltmiller9529 True, it's just that with Despoil it feels even more cheese on Nekros, forgot to mention I had that Augment on along with Shadows of the Dead.
its only good on frames that can generate health orbs and all the frames that have it in the video cant do that
@@bouncybob1780 Disagree on protea, one third of her dispenser is health orbs.
DE should just give up on one update to revamp all the frames that were left behind, because, sure, we have 50+ warframes but 10 or so of them are borderline unplayable without heavily investing in them
Bordeline unplayable where tho? Level Cap?
@@klondikelegitski675 did you even read my comment properly?
You think DE is made of money? Everything said just screams money.
@@klondikelegitski675I mean I think frost is fine as he is now but bare minimum he needs some qol changes that keep him in line with the present, and vauban totally can shred in steel path but three of his #2 balls aren't really worth using
@@jaketheman1577 could you elaborate? What does money have to do with this?
should do a series of you trying overframe builds and rating them i think it would be fun
@7:45 doesn't -Accuracy mean bullets spread further from the center of the reticlw and -Recoil prevents the weapon from swaying too much.
Correct. The logic is that the increased spread means you have a higher cone of effect, and thus a larger area of potential headshots to charge incarnon.
Equinox is a low B for me. But I can make her an A with two changes. The 1 is now a constant effect and lingers for a duration on swapping. The 3 augment is base kit.
Is there a particular reason that he hates gloom so much? Or does he just hate anything considered popular or meta?
its too over used and its jsut gotten boring
I understand how Gloom Works but I don't understand why it's Freaking Everywhere. 🤔
The Same goes for *Nourish* we already Mod for Viral and use *Zenurik* ..... So why Nourish ? 🤔
@@lookalike4805 nourish provides energy multiplier, so it's great for anyone who can generate energy by himself (like with archon stretch or innately like styanax), so it's best all-in one of energy/viral priming
Zenurik is baby's energy regen way, madurai and naramon become far more useful in late game aswell
@@lookalike4805 nourish gives viral without the need to mod for it, and since most enemies are weak to corrosive/radiation anyways. you also get multiplier for energy orbs instead of zenurik's which is just a slow energy regen in a small area
Again... I know what it does.. 🤔
Genuine question because I recently returned to the game.
If overframe is this bad. Where should I go to learn how to build weapons/frames and also see what's good/bad/mid?
i also dont understand, warframe's official discord server has a channel dedicated to builds and all, but its really confusing and if you ask for help on modding, they tell you to get good and to look into said channel
warframe really needs to get better in that aspect tbh
My recommendation, go to the search bar and search the weapon, and avoid videos from thefthardsquad, knightmareframe, and so on.
Look for lower view count on builds from channels in the same vein as mcgamers, coolkid, more meme channels, I can go on, but just avoid the larger CCs.
I can't say much about sites like overframe
dude i actually yelled when i saw heavy cal on that phenmor
i have half a mind to excuse the frame choices because there seems to be a general understanding that not all frames are universally good in all missions and people seem to gravitate towards preferred frames for aesthetic reasons (usually resulting in them huffing cope to justify their picks as "SP meta" when in reality they really like the look of embers ass in the graxx tennogen for example) doesn't excuse the builds on offer and definitely doesn't excuse the weapon list
yeah dude, the burston prime is b tier, the gun that turns enemies into fucking red math is b tier
you should post you testing some of the cool builds maybe as shorts
Love your vids sab. They really help fill me up in times like these.
whats the hate for equilibrium?
Those fools dont even know how to mod the MIGHTY SEER
Dude do you have a life?
why are you hearting this fucking cringe
Maybe, maybe not. But he does have a MIGHTY SEER. Do you have a MIGHTY SEER?@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb
@@KungFuBarbie-pc7hb The mighty seer is life.
Master, I embraced the power of MIGHTY SEER as you told me. It does not need mods. Actually, it's mods that have a need in the MIGHTY SEER. It is the MIGHTY SEER's above divine MIGHT that makes them what they are.
Fun fact about primary frostbite on a cold free glaxion. Your sentinel aa long as it has a primary weapon that does cold can proc it
"When xaku prime will be announced in 2 months"
Live sevagoth reaction:
all jokes aside, as a newer player who just recently got into SP, where do you recommend I get builds from? I obviously lack experience and knowledge to make my own builds cause i’m too stupid for that, so where can I learn or copy builds from that consistently are pretty good?
Most 'bigger' warframe YTers make at the very least passable builds so try copy them even tho some only do endgame builds so you need to change depending on what you need(likely dont have quite a few mods) but most of them explain why you have certain stats
Get them from your Brain ...
Where do you think the People who share their Builds get their Builds From ? 😳
@@lookalike4805 wow it’s almost just like.. I just said I’m a brand new player, I started a week ago. I could do research on understanding mod combos but that will only take me to a limit until I spend more time in the game understanding them, so thanks.
@@Zopeee thanks I appreciate it! do you have any particular youtubers in mind you’d recommend?
@@user-ph1lu1gh1u i think the Kengineer and LeyzarGaming are pretty fine. LeyzarGaming shows builds for both new and old players. MCGamer shows fun builds to mess around with any weapon.
Anyways, stay away from KnightmareFrame is all that i ask of you. He is a big meme in the community, known for always telling people to build Primed Sure Footed (he even put it on Atlas, which has knockdown immunity anyways when youre on the ground)
Torid A tier got me CRYING DUDE 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm relatively new, and I use it as a general guide as to how people use the frames. I don't use the tier list as an end all be all, but as a "this is pretty good, this isn't too great"
i’d like to see your summoner caliban build, i’ve never heard of it before
It feels like people who are deluded into thinking their meme choices are good are who votes for overframe tier ratings.
I feel like people will think their stuff is good if they get a bunch of kills in archon hunt 2nd missions even if they have single digit damage percentage done.
I am going back to forgetting overframe exists.
The build editor can be useful for planning builds. You can put a full build on a frame and see if it meets the requirements for whatever you're planning with your abilities before you start using forma. It's less useful for an experienced player but for a new player, it can be a helpful learning tool.
The downside is that the new player might get lured into the trap of just using someone else's build without understanding it and never learning how to mod.
3:39"ignis is only good for starchart and early steelpath" so 90% of the content in the game.
New hydroid and new inaros have been out for how long? And they’re still belong equinox?
Honest question, I'm a returning player after 5 years and I've been using the site to get ready for steel path content, if the site is doo doo where should I go for what to use and how to build?
I play with overframe builds and so far they didn't let me down once anywhere
00:48
"What are you doing here Equinox?"
"Oh nothing, casually doing 70 million aoe slash hits to the entire map every 5 seconds."
Mmm x to doubt 70mil every 5 seconds. You gotta kill stuff to stack up the damage, remember?
@@zDemoGODz One heavy strike with a melee weapon like ninkana prime, azothane or harmony does over 150 million to a single target, which instantly gives 50% of its damage to equinoxes slash gauge numbnuts.
what would you suggest to find builds for?
Glad someone else is enjoying invulnerable loki. Fun fact, the invulnerability cannot be removed as far as I can tell. Nullies and falling in pits doesn't strip it.
Bro who the fuck thought the Tigris Prime should be in A tier
Probably a Fault in the way Votes are Tallied. 🤔
The meta from 8 years thought so XD
Dont understand the Equilibrium hate honestly, been using it with a health orb generating Panzer cat and its how ive solved energy on my Nezha.
Im kimda new to the game im around jupiter and working on valkyr ive only got mag rn but ive taken a liking to the karak but is it any good
Unironic question, where to get builds from?
I feel like it's important to note that the majority of the players that are voting on these tier lists likely aren't even doing Steel Path.
They're not the youtubers that derive their income from warframe content. They're certainly not doing any mission past 30 mins. They're probably not doing omnia fissures. Probably not doing netracells or EDA. These are the people that play maybe a few hours a week.
vauban is pretty nuts when built correctly, they're kinda' like octavia in that they have infinitely scaling damage based on enemy level and you can double boost his turrets with nourish viral damage and procs.
YES, but they are NOT in the same tier as Khora or mf Kullervo/Volt, they are LEAGUES apart
Yeah, he's good. But nowhere near the same ballpark as many A-tiers around him.
Yeah, for real! I started forma'ing the Vauban Prime I had collecting dust for a few years after I'd gotten the mastery for (mostly because I started hyperfixating on the ttrpg Heart: The City Beneath and wanted to make a Vermissian Knight character modelled after his aesthetic), and even with a scuffed build that can't fit half the planned mods it needs it still does okay. Once he's properly forma'd he may even be a new main for me!
@@teocappy I'm pretty sure the tier list on overframe is based on vibes
@@ZomgLolPants I'm not saying it isn't, Vauban is a great frame and i love playing with and as him, but he can't compare to the likes of Khora or Saryn, its not even fair for the trainman
Hey man, is it ok if I use Equilibrium if I don't have Arcane Energize? Hypothetically
Yes
Honest question as someone who has never used it and heard its one of the best subsumes, why the hate for gloom? Is it just that everyone uses it?
next time you have a problem with a build, maybe tell us why? not make us feel like a bunch of fools sitting here and thinking "that build looks fine, whats wrong with it?"
Overframe may be bad, but it helps me build
I'm sorry.
Overframe is fine. Stop letting TH-camrs gaslight you.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional If you're the majority of players who dont even know SP exist
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional It's not fine if you're doing anything outside of star chart, and if that's the case, you can slap on any mods in any order and be perfectly fine.
It's decent for seeing what the stats of a something will be for planning a build before you start spending forma.
I’m brand new to SP and have a decent chunk of prime frames. But I struggled to find a gun aside from Soma Prime and Ignis Wraith that helped me a lot, where would you recommend looking for builds and stuff if I’m new, and how can I tell if it’s good or not?
Also what’s so bad about gloom?
SP is about armour strip and viral procs. That's why "nothing" works for you.
@@zDemoGODz I’ve grown a lot since posting this. Things like Torid incarnon, acceltra prime and the laetum, playing mag prime and inaros prime.
Can someone explain to me why there’s so much ire for gloom? Is it just because of people slowing down defense or what?
Equilibrium can be good with dispensery and synth fiber to have infinite energy,and when combined with valkyr,can allow you to spend whole missions invincible. (Doesnt work in duviri)
You don't even need synth fiber
@@notaveryinterestingperson without it,you need to take damage to pick up the health orbs,synth fiber is to use orbs while at full health
@@Djmclazer You don't lol. Read the patchnotes or test it yourself in game.
@@Djmclazerit was changed w/ dagath
@@Djmclazerbros livin in 2023
Brozime builds are solid, i dont do endurance. Used a couple in deep arch and it worked well
Its like white bread, they function, and are a good entrypoint, but his opinions on what functions and what is trash are not to be taken as gospel id say. Still, You can play wf for thousands of hours and do all content if You just have as much knowledge as You can get from Him so as much as he can be blatantly wrong sometimes or just straight up disregard builds he doesnt like for some reason, I wish every wf player i match with at least just knew the game as well as an active brozime viewer because thats more than enough...and far from actuality...
@@laszloneumann500 I see, do you have any people I could check out that make builds that go deeper?
@@seanqwe100 I personally like GazTTV, he is very down to earth and has been the most honest wf youtuber ive seen and is a big grinder, also not a schill and not affraid to call DE out when sg stinks but also not a dedicated hater that says anything DE does is bad. Also Aznvasionplays has some quite obscure high end builds that kinda break the game but also at times a bit clunky to use but hes very much the guy getting into the nitty grotty of things, spreadsheeting everything and making the weirdest stuff work, like hebeven found a way to make chroma1 clear sp and stuff like that
@@laszloneumann500 I'm a big fan of gaz. I check the rest out thanks!
@@seanqwe100anyone but knightmareframe
Calibro here: our peg leg sentient boi is still pretty strong. He is a weapons platform with 3 goons that give you enough shield regen to face tank shit. Could use some work still but he does do good.
Someday in the future I'll have to finally sit down and take a full college course in Warframe build making, because despite having played since we had to collect co-ordinates for planets to go to them, I still only have a very limited selection of arcanes (bought on the market mostly) since I never got into Eidolon hunting, haven't finished the Star Chart, and the vast majority of this video may as well have been in Korean to me.
I've unlocked my MR30 mastery test long ago, but I can't figure out how to use what I have to make a build that kills fast enough for me to complete the test.
When was the last time you genuinely tried equinox?
To be fair, there are other nukes that do the job better. That is comming from an equinox main.
Pls upload all ur builds on overframe so we can use them instead
wait... doesn't the arcane intention hildryn build not actually function at all? the channeled abilities all turn off once she's out of shields and you can't... take HP damage while you have shields.
idk since i never tried it but its funny to look at i guess
I think its against toxin procs?
@@laszloneumann500 she's... immune to toxin while she has overshields, and pillage cleanses status
@@laszloneumann500 hildryn is already immune to toxin status when her overshield is up, and your pillage already cleanses any status so theres no real point in going health for hildryn
as a brainlet myself, where do you recomend i get my builds
and if youtube
which of the smart ones should i steal from?
threatening to kill someone and their whole family over a warframe build is some peak scitzo shit. seek help.
Oh I didn't even know this site thing existed but honestly explains so much of the current situations in warframe like the shock mote trolls (aka limbo mains), dudes who can't afford what they are are trying to buy it (not even the lowballing 1s that might get a nibble from someone desperate, I'm talking about the not even half what it is actually going for), or the massive increase in leaches
And because they inevitably show to tattle on themselves, I'll preanswer the lame lies and bs excuses: no it is not good cc, yes you are making the mission take way longer for no upside, no you do not need it for energy as range is not needed near base range is plenty for 99% of missions and if you actually learned the basics of modding you wouldnt need the energy either so there's not even a need for arc stretch, the augment is even less of an excuse as it is a complete waste of a mod slot
@@ShugoAWay I had a L4 freak out on me cause I asked him to take away shock motes on a 2 hr sp omnia survival. Dude was tripping. He was talking about the augment and calling me a noob.
@ZacharyAlbert yeah MR means nothing after the late teens, and they are nothing new let me guess also pathetically low pwr str and probably half the mod space wasted or range, and possibly but not always buff lasting less than 45 seconds? If so then yup you found 1 of the 100s of shock mote trolling limbo mains
Also, yeah, like I said in the other, it's 1 of the flimsy lies/excuses they try to use and I recommend the standard reply "just cuz DEsgusting doesn't understand the frame doesn't give you an excuse to troll with it, plz remove it or yourself from the mission"
Here's a fun one, Titania with Energized Munitions. The ammo efficiency works with Dex Pixia, and you can really hose out some bullets
Is there a Reason you're not using *Arcane PISTOLEER* ?
@@lookalike4805 for enemies like the murmur, the dog lookn ones can be headshot, not sure about the others. vs all the other factions where most of the mob lineup have heads to headshot. neemrgized munitions made the gargoyle event simplyer by bullet hosing the boss. If it was pistoleer youd have to rely on that specific enemy spawning, you getting the headshot and procing pistoleer.
12:14 I actually do that but just on Gara
14:15 Actually, I do use Intention on my Hildryn. When I have to do that EDA Alchemy where the Amphors hurt you, it makes picking up a toxin one not a huge threat. All of her abilities trigger it. Even Haven, although it's only during the cast time which is only like a handful of seconds. Otherwise you have high uptime when you use the others. Plus I have a unhealthy love of that arcane. I don't know how to fully express it yet.
But JFC, I don't go to that site, and I never will.
Isn’t Hildryn immune to toxin if she has Overshields? Doesn’t seem worth compared to Arcane Aegis/Barrier for the emergency save.
Can someone redpill me on why equilibrium is bad? i thought its amazing for Protea 'cuz she prints so many orbs and it lets me run low efficiency
yeah, i want to know too
I usually use Equilibrium with Blind Rage.
Overframe took away my wife and kids and ruined my life, wouldn't recommend it. 👎
It's a cruel world, isn't it?
@@13lueBomber Yes 😔
7:14 So I can answer this, he's casting gloom when protea's passive proc happens for an extra 100% strength, as gloom is a channeled ability and thus keeps that extra 100% strength until the ability turns off. Then recasting it again as molt augmented gets stacked. 84% become 244%, which isn't the 95% slow cap, but it's still pretty substantial mid 80ish% slow.
I would like to ask cause im curious. Why isnt vauban any good?
Yareli in C tier‽ How do they not realize that she belongs in her own tier above S‽ Perhaps they are confused and think C is the highest tier.
Votes never got reset since her initial release, so there's a huge remnant of people just voting her into dumpster tier from back then.
As a Yareli main, please play bad frames, it's really funny
Yareli isn't even bad. She never was bad, people just don't like merulina. At launch she was like high B, now she's unironically an A tier frame
What’s a good place to get good builds I’m fairly new and still have quite a bit to learn?
so as someone who is ass at modding warframes and weapons, where do i get my builds from if Overframe is not good to look at?