Stihl 064 vs. ms461
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2019
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Had to do a little splicing on this one....
Here we have my 064 that is in standard Insane-o trim going against an Insane-o ss ms461 that's headed back East.
An outing with Master Payton for some saw testing on this day.
There is some psycho-babble about chains, comparatively speaking, in this test session as compared to the previous ones. Payton is pretty astute and alert on some of the differences and asked quite a few questions.
By my observation, the timed runs were pretty much the same for both saws.
But like I also said, the 064 has a lot of volume under it's belt and is sporting a non oem piston. I've wondered quite a bit on whether or not that has affected performance. The 461, in this state of tune runs better than the 066/660/661 saws that are in a stock arrangement.
Next up for the 064, if I can find a good oem cylinder that is , will be upgrading it to Insane-o ss status and give the little bro something to think about. Or, shoehorn a 660 cylinder assembly in and see how well the 461s like it then!!!
I'm currently available for custom saw modifications. Please shoot me an email if you are interested.
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I always enjoy watching your videos Jack!
I always love seeing that 064. 👌mint saw
nathan mckinlay he should just use that 064 for all of his falling videos!
My favorite saw... the 064. Love to hear it run.
Best thing about these videos: Turn on the close captioning. When it's just the saw running, CC says "Music". Nice to see the work is for the long term. Thanks,.
Any word on when you'll have a Stihl MS500i to take for a test drive ? ?
064s are hard to find these days. Great saw.
prescribedfire1953 not hard to find ... just prohibitively expensive ! You wood think the Saw is made out of gold with the prices some people are asking ! I got a good runner for a reasonable sum so they are out there
My vote is for a nice 066/660 barrel. Wonder if there is a significant weight difference between OEM and Meteor...Did you use an OEM wrist pin?
What do you think hp or bhp gains are for the 461 after a psycho build.
Hi, I just moved to Humboldt. Do you work on saws still?
I came up with 28 sec for the O64 and 25.5 for the 461 or almost 10% quicker ... 76.5 vs 84.9 cc one wood think it wood be the other way around : You did mention the 064 had some miles on it though so maybe that explains the times ; also I believe you stated the 461 has the newest version of the insane-0 ss ... sure rips !
Just bought a very clean treemonkey 064 and a new mastermind 461. Excellent saws
Why saws tend to idle lower than the setting when out of cut?
I bettter stop watching these kinds of videos before I spend my vacation money on a tuned saw. I want a big cc tuned saw so freaking bad.
Once you run one you will never be the same !
How can I get on your hotsaw list. I saw a video where you built a saw for a guy I once cut with In weaverville.
Hey i Love your saws Great work.
How Mandy work Hours habe you done with this beautiful 064 ?
Greetings from germany
Leon hi.
At this point, somewhere in between 2 and 3 million BF Scribner. So it has a few months of run time.
Thanks for watching.
Im sorry if this is a dumb question but how are you able to start the saws so easily without a decompression valve? Love your videos as always!
Ryan hi. There are a few vids where you can see the process. Pull on the cord like you mean it I guess. Thanks for watching.
064 very nice chainsaw, but my favorite-461.Thanks for video.
I really liked how the 461 turned out , it looked a bit hy reving in the wood than the 064 but noticed that slowed down when pulled the pistol grip up in the cut. Nyce work eatherway, you did mentioned something about the 395, hope to see that soon. Thanks for sharing !
Alex SPP hi.
Thanks.
From my experience, the faster a chain spins the better it cuts. So having a saw that will turn higher rpms in the cut is the goal. I build them specifically to hold more rpms while in the wood according.
The 064 is one of the really early insane-o builds - more like the extreme zippkit of today since I have refined the process.
The 461 has combustion chamber work and is two stages more involved as well as not having cut somewhere ~ 2/2.5 million boards while using an am piston. The 461s are no slouch in this state of tune and will leave a stock 660/661 behind.
With that, I'm pretty happy with the way this 046 performs.
Thanks for watching.
If you were to buy a saw to run stock which one would you pick a 462 or 461?
Chris hi.
I "woodn't".
I won't step off the landing with a stock saw. They cut like a nose bleed.
As far as those two saws, they run just about the same in stock trim.
The 461s are ~ 1.6 lbs more portly.
But, they have way more potential for simple help like a better air filtration system. I think the 461s will last longer in the end since they don't come out of the box with a metered air leak.
If weight is any issue the 462 weighs close to what the 60cc saws do.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for watching.
great vid
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Jack I have a husky 357 xp that I would like you do some port work on how can I contact you.
Send him an email. It Is In the video description.
Stay safe and get logs C'MON.
The 462cm and 462cmR are finally available here in NY ! I’ll be gettin me paws on one shortly (462cmR) ... a nice long bath in the “cauldron of performance” should do nicely ! Been nice to see the 462c in that mix - hopefully that’ll be comin soon ! 😎😎updated Jan 18 ... apparently the 462cm version is available as of now .... the 462cmR is not - just talked to dealer ... sorry all for the confusion
Fabz Acres ohhh really..... do tell..... because I just picked up a 461r this week... I live in dutchess county ny ... and my dealer didn’t have any 462s... but I asked him and he said they will be here very soon... I just got the 461r because I didn’t know if they were going to stop making them with the release of the 462s... and I am also in withdrawal waiting on my psy-ko 362c to come back from the operating table... once I get the 362 back.... I think jacks gunna get my 461..
Yah , my dealer emailed me yesterday... the 462cm is available; the 462cmR is not listed but a phone call from him may net a score ! I’ve got a Hotsaws101 461R that’s a ripper ! I think you’ll be pleased with both the 362c and 461R - you’ve chosen your builder wisely !
Fabz Acres thank you for the reply... and I don’t doubt that I will pleased in the least... I looked around long and hard before I decided on jack... after seeing all of jacks videos I came to the conclusion that he is the best in my opinion... not only is he a true logger that uses his creations day in and day out... but he seems to have a passion for this... and his knowledge is amazing... and that’s the type of person I want wrenching on my equipment...just curious if you don’t mind sharing what zipkit have you chose on your 461r??...and do you have any videos of it ... I’m sure jack does if I go digging for them
tjlovesrachel hi ! Google ported 461R payin the bills and click on the video ... iirc it was the “extreme” version ... I did add an unlimited coil from a 460 and a max-flow filter afterwards ... Also made sure to “seat” the rings properly ! I explained to Jack what I wanted and he delivered a ripper 461R ! There’s an old saying ... “ya get what ya pay for “ and I believe this to be true ... lotsa “Saw porters/builders” out there but ask yourself how many of em log or fell or process wood ? I’d rather lean on the guy who’s been around the trade his whole life than a guy who doesn’t even burn wood and showcases his saws cutting in “0hio Hardwood” I.e. cottonwood or poplar ... yeah I’d steer clear of those 2 birds from Ohio - Shine and Snailerizer , seems every time they put their heads together, they make an ass out of themselves ! Out
About how much are they listed for $
When are we gunna see that 395 with the serious work you speak of?
What do you think of the 090AV
Greg hi.
Big.
Heavy.
Powerful.
Hard to find some of the parts for.
And,,,,,, the hard mounted ones VIBRATE.
I have a 72 with an 090s name on it....
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 thanks for info I think the 880 better choice 👍
I've got an 066 that looks exactly like the 064 very good saw
That's Good I thought u gave up on husky I love husky
Coasty and Inland grind? Did I miss a video?
That's awesome I like to see my 064 next to your 064. 😏
john reilly stock off the roll chain - Or your saw runs the Riley Racer ? 🙀🙀🙀
Be nice to see an Insane-0 064 99cc version ... I predict el spank-0 la 😄
Fabz hi.
They have the 10mm crank on the flywheel side. A guy has to be a little cautious putting to power to the ground in a day in & day out 064 work saw application. Well, imho anyway.
Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 I’ve heard the cranks may be the weak - link on that saw so I hear ya loud and clear on an everyday cutter ... There’s a certain Ohio porter who holds the saw wide-open 4-stroking inches above the wood and slams the saw into the wood ... I’m sure this “method” of cutting is not conducive to crankshaft longevity !
Both are great. Sthil is#1
In stock form I prefer my 461 as they run at a higher rpm than the 64 and 66/660 so they are about equal in the wood stock. Weight is where I like the smaller saw but with port work the lower rpm saws do better with a long bar than the smaller high rpm saws. This is all in my experience with around 7 years total but just over 2 professionally cutting timber and being in the arborist field climbing and cutting
I have a MS460 with a barker box, running square ground, its way lighter that the 660 and seems to rev better ...running 24" bars on both its pretty close ... maybe its just the tune and chain but the 460 is a hungrier lighter saw and my favourite by a fair bit.
I hate this guy, he is living the dream!!!! I wish I could spend a week with him extracting the information out of his brain! I always enjoy hearing him say God's green earth!!!!!!!!!
Much knowledge resides in the depths of Jacks cranium ; however it is not an easy task to extract !
I bet it would take more than a week to soak in all the info that Jack has
At home we have 064. We have run her A LOT. Indestructable and powerfull saw. Maybe a little bit heavy but never the less.
Did u stop doing husky
David Shively don’t think so... he mentions a “bad Jose” 395 he just did.... jack will work on anything a customer sends him....if you got the cash he will do a Poulan for ya lmaooo
I've still got my mint 064...it an 288 are dandys
Δεν μου άρεσε ποτέ το ms064… & δεν έβλεπα και το λόγο ύπαρξης του όταν υπήρχε το ms 066/660 & to ms 460/461.!
Who cares what the idle rpms are