Neural DSP Plugin Metal Tone Comparison!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Hey dudes! This video compares the Neural DSP plugins Fortin Nameless, Fortin NTS Suite, Archetype Plini, Archetype Nolly, Archetype Abasi and the Omega Granophyre. Hopefully this comparison allows you to pick which one is the best for you!
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In the mix:
01:38 Plini
02:07 Nolly
02:36 Nameless
03:05 Abasi
03:34 NTS
04:03 Granophyre
Guitars only (Masive chords):
04:32 Plini
05:02 Nolly
05:31 Nameless
06:00 Abasi
06:29 NTS
06:58 Granophyre
Guitars only (Single note riffs):
04:47 Plini
05:16 Nolly
05:45 Nameless
06:14 Abasi
06:43 NTS
07:12 Granophyre
Thank you very much for this comparison
Thanks for this dude
@@KeyanHoushmandLive You're welcome ;)
Edit: Single note riffs added
This comment is exactly what we needed thank you
This is so perfect.
bro your riffs are dope
Rudy! Colab anytime soon?
bro thank you so much bro
Not enough 035
I rate 035/10
@@KeyanHoushmandLive do it again bro
that's straight fact bro
The amp sim spiral:
1) get one plugin, something that you think covers the most cases (probably either Nolly or Plini)
2) but those 2 other plugins sounded sweet in those 2-3 edge cases and it leaves you the itch (probably NTS, Nameless, Omega and whichever you didn't pick during last point). get those 2 plugins .
3) discover IR plugins (MIKKO and GGD Zilla and more)
4) realize you can combined pedals and effects from one plugin with amps of the other plugin
5) cry in joy
6) realize now you need drums and bass also
It’s beautiful
So true!
Wait... if you get multiple Neural plugins you can mix and match???
@@zeke_b In your DAW you can sequence them and turn different parts on and off by double clicking/right clicking on the amp/effects/EQ tabs on top.
@@quakeplusplus would be awesome if it would work in standalone tho
That big chord riff is so good man. It was pleasure to listen to each time through.
I hope it didn’t get too repetitive hahaha
As a Plini and NTS user, I am quite satisfied with my choice, well it may also be because I am used to them.
All of them sounded good, only Abasi one stood out in the negative way, its just missing some frequencies I like.
All about what sounds good to you
Yh i hear much less hype for Abasi then the others. I think it’s because it’s so similar to Plini. Which is more popular because Ola uses that one.
For me: Plini and Nolly sounded pretty close and both great. The riff was nice as always🤗
Timo Lebeck thanks dude!
Funny.. when I decided to try some and figure out which one to buy for Heavy (Underoath / ETID) tones I wasn't even going to try the plini... but honestly after hours of comparing all of these amps side by side I'm really glad I did. There is something in the presence of the Plini that none of the other amps have. It's sweeter sounding and has that "rubber" that catches your ear which makes it far more natural sounding like a real amp. Futher more.. getting rid of that airy digital sound that's really hard to get out of a mix being that it's an amp sim. Flip back and forth from the Plini and any one of the others and you'll see what I mean.
the omega and the fortin I'm demoing now, they are INCREDIBLE.
I went with the Abasi a few months ago after plenty of research into the differences between the plugins, and your video showcased why it IS so different than the others. I love how crisp and light it sounds but still maintains that High Gain Djent feel. My 2nd choice was going to be Plini n it sounded great in this video. That riff was delightful, really quality content again
Thanks dude, the Plini is one of my favs
Mix context :
1:38 Plini
2:07 Nolly
2:36 Nameless
3:05 Abasi
3:34 NTS
4:03 Omega Granophyre
Isolated tracks :
4:32 Plini
5:01 Nolly
5:31 Nameless
6:00 Abasi
6:29 NTS
6:58 Omega Granophyre
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Already pinned a comment like this but thanks for doing it anyway!
Nameless, versatility and great tone from ultra good cleans/crunch to the most extreme gain you could ever want.
In the mix (single note) :
01:51 Plini
02:20 Nolly
02:49 Nameless
03:18 Abasi
03:47 NTS
04:16 Granophyre
Abasi user here... I agree, the abasi has a different mid curve to the others (having tried the other archetypes). I did find though, for me at least, the abasi plays with 8 string stuff a bit better than the Plini and the Nolly, hence why I went for that one.
The abasi and the logos and pathos pedals are hella fire for rhythm tones
Each one of them sounds amazing for their use, but to my ears and personal taste, Nameless and Abasi were the best sounding among all of these.
Great video, a very good comparison and nice riffs!
Hey, I have a question regarding the Abasi plugin. When I tried it out, the noise gate seemed to not work. IT sounded like it was cutting out when I would play with distortion
@@VicSellsPeace Dude, I have the abasi. It is a great plugin, but the noise gate is an issue that it is even discusse on the neural forum. It seems that they are working on a new feature with a better noise gate, idk. But, for now I use it with a free noise gate "GTune" (I saw on a video from Keyan a while ago), and it works really well for rhythm parts! I can only get those two plugin working together on my DAW, not in standalone mode. No big deal.
@@seba.locrio4801 Oh alright cool. Yeah I saw people had the same issue, thank you. I bought the plugin two weeks ago - amazing stuff. I LOVE the cleans. Thank you, peace
I downloaded all the trials and the nameless surprised me the most. I was so dead set on grabbing the nolly, but now I just want them ALL! I think if you want with Plini, Nolly, Abasi or Nameless you'd be set.
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Tim Stokkers every time dude
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Looks like you found a new online handle.
Classic!
As far as stand alone great tone out of the gate Namless wins for me. I wish they would do a built in 5 band eq and reverb for it cause I find the 33 pedal takes way to much bass out, the attack it adds is great but the bass loss makes it almost unusable. the hexdrive is good but doesn't quite have the bite of the 33. Having the IR really evened the playing ground and surprised me for sure.
The 33 is exactly how it is in real life, it’s great for EXTREMELY slow tunings
I think even in real life the 33 is more for lowing tunings. I had the Fortin Blade and thought it was shit for anything above C standard.
I'd have to go with Nolly for my taste. When guitars are compared on single note riffs and massive chords they really sound different but in the mix context is so similar that I don't care which one it's being used. Thanks for the video Keyan, really helpful.
No worries dude
Glad you did this video-makes me feel content with choosing Nolly. It has a response that’s very alive idk how to explain it but there you go
Absolutely perfect comparison. Thank you so much. I use the Archetype: Plini and I think it just sounds so gorgeous (depending on the right chords;)). The video we all needed. Thanks!
Still voting for the Fortin NTS and Omega Granophyre. But all of the NeuralDSP stuff is absolutely sick! \m/
Matthias Buesing granophyre sat really well in this
As somebody who has used omega cabs before and met their team/owner, Omega really know their shit. The best in the business IMO. Im gonna cop their plugin for sure. It sounded the best here, rich as hell.
Man, these legendary riffs! I came here to listen to the differences between the plugins and then kept playing and headbanging to the riffs for another two hours just while working. Can I listen to more of your music somewhere? Well done!
This is a great comparison, thanks for making it! On first listen the Plini stood out to me in solo, but overall I really liked the NTS the most. Sounded nicest in the mix. It had a similar quality to the plini on the chords I think which I liked, but a bit more agression for the single note riffs that I quite liked. Quite surpirsed! Also I dig your bass tone in this demo haha.
NTS was a real eye opener for me too, the bass tone can be found in another video I’ve done
For some reason I'm feeling the Nolly out of these, not sure I would have said that for the guitars only but in the mix it sounded the nicest and sat really well for me, it had a brightness without being too harsh and a nice clarity to it, but honestly I'd be happy with any of them
Nolly is very versatile too
For me it's a close tie between the Nameless and the Nolly - they both react really nice to palm mutes. But they're all very close - I just don't really mind the Abasi
I have both of them and they’re great
I still want the Neural DSP portable hardware
You can buy a mooer ge250/preamp live and capture the tone of the plugins (i got the gojira on my ge250 and sounds almost the same as the plugin)
Great video. Just two hours ago I bought Archetype Abasi and the Fortin NTS Suite. They both combined offer me a wide range of guitar sounds and as it´s possible to disable the internal IR and use an external IR plugin as you did, the options to modify the sound are quite uncountable. And of course there´s the 20% discount when you buy plugins from Neural right now.
So again... great video, just as your other content. You´ve just won one subscriber. Keep up the good work!
The neural stuff can be altered in any way you like, it’s great
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Yeah, I'm just starting to play with the settings. So far I'm really enjoying it. 😁
damn! the nameless amp is so clear and smooth. i love that sound the best.
Very interesting demo, I can definately hear the different charackter of each plugin.
All of them sound sick, I'll probably stick to my Nolly, because to my ears it's the smoothest/richest and that's exactly what I like.
But really you can't go wrong with either one.
The nolly is great!
Duuude, I like the Basstone and how clear it comes thru and "under" the guitars! Great Riffs and Video as always!
The omega is unreal. Probably the sound I've been looking for, but gotta get my hands on it first. Abasi was great too, very unique
Can you make a nolly vs gojira comparison? I think that would get a lot of views
I own the NTS, Plini, and just purchased Abasi. Currently waiting for Nolly to go on sale and then I'll get it too. Neural rewards previous customers with like 20% off future purchases and they always have stuff going on sale. I got Abasi for 50% off with the sale and my Customer discount. It's silly to choose just one or 2. they're all fun and each has a little something something that makes it special. Abasi is my current favorite. I wasn't prepared for the tones it gave me and I was really pleased with it
Just picked up the Plini, Wong, Henson, and Abasi this Black Friday. Stocked to have these plugins to range across quite a bit of styles I mess around with. don't imagine I'll need anything else for a long time.
I like Nameless and NTS. The last one sounds very full both on chords and riffs, Nameless is interesting for chords
Honestly I was blown away by the Plini! Did not expect that but I am definitely going to look into that one. Thanks for doing this.
I've used Keyan's Plini settings and confirm that it is tasty and brutal. Thanks for sharing the settings too!
Plini for Cleans, Nameless for hight gain! and Abasi for that unique tone! Great video!
What about Cali?
The NTS kind of eluded me too. Strikes me as a sort of mid ground between the Nameless and a 5150 style head but with a little more tonal options from the grind and girth. Maybe I’m completely wrong lol. Great video, Nameless and Nolly are still my fav’s 🤟🏻
That’s a great way to put it!
For me it's either the Nameless or the Omega.
I always come back every so often to hear that sweet riff. So good
I’m not a metal guitarist, but bought Plini and now I’m having trouble going back to my other big name amp sims.. they’re collecting dust!! Problem is that I want all of the Neural DSP plug-ins. Particularly Nolly. Plini crushes the clean tones, absolutely gorgeous, but the sort of midrange-y harmonic focus of Nolly makes me want it too. Plini sounds smooth, but Nolly has just a bit more gnar and crunch on the dirty tones. I’ve got the Darkglass one too, and it’s fantastic. Just all amazing products. Honestly made me think less of some of my other sims 😬
Nameless and Nolly together in a mix would be the way for me, I think. I like the bite in the nameless, and the thickness in the Nolly
Haven’t tried that yet, maybe I should
They're both more similar than you're assuming. Check this out:
th-cam.com/video/EKu_QkjAuew/w-d-xo.html
@@tappistrt Owning them both now, they can achieve a similar heavy tone for sure, but there are still key differences that make one more fit for some applications than the other. Naturally though I lean towards Archetype Nolly more because of the built in effects and the more versatile selection of amps.
Exactly what we needed!
IN love with abasi cleans and cheating on my favorite heavy tone plugin, nameless with the omega trial ( mistress).
Nameless seems to be a crowd favourite
Dude that comparison is super useful! Thank you for doing this!
You’re welcome dude
Loved the fortin NTS the most probably. Awesome vid!
thanks for this, based on the video the abasi sounds best to me.
Love this video, thanks so much for making it! Something about the Nameless just out shines the others for me. I just love how full and punchy it sounds. Really seems like you can’t go wrong with any of them though
I haven’t seen the video yet but my money is on nolly sounding the best
Actually abasi sounded pretty sick
@@joesmithuk5175 I tried abasi myself and I thought it was pretty bad sounding
Joe Smith UK funny, disliked that easily the most
Great video thanks - useful to hear side by side. Personally I'm a fan of Nolly for the versatility and tone on the high gain (as you mentioned a mid-range push of sorts). Although honestly I think all of the plugins would do the job (I trialled them all). Fantastic riffs by the way!
Well done. Got the Plini and Nolly a view days ago. Great plugins and I am a Fractal AX8 guy! I'm curious about the Quad Cortex. Maybe I have to change from America to Finland ;) Hands down.
I’d love a QC one day
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Have you used double tracking here or is it a one guitar mono track. Thanks!
This is a really useful comparison dude you made them all sound fantastic, I really like the smooth high end on the Granophyre but if I'd of purchased the Nameless Suite a long time ago like yourself then I doubt I'd be upgrading. For best bang for the buck and versatility I'd put my money on the Plini or Nolly 👍
I have the nameless and molly, they provide plenty options!
Owning Nameless and I love its massive crushing brutality. Thinking also about Abasi for more melodic stuff
just got the Nameless and i love it!
Nameless is awesome!
Holy shit that Fortin NTS gave me multiple eargasms. Such crisp midrange it has!
I am in love the sound of Granophyte..I have kemper and I bought these profiles!!
Thanks again Keyan. Great Demo and Video, as always. You helped me so much to get an awesome tone out of my plini, nolly and NTS plugin. Keep on :)
Thanks for watching dude!
great work as always!
Damn, I need to try your ABASI preset, I'm struggling to find a tone that I like with that second amp!
plini and nameless rocked in the mix!
Plini and nameless are awesome
Geez, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Keyan for making this video and helping us out there. Absolutely amazed the Nameless plugin i tried
Thanks mate, this really helped me make my decision. And with the black Friday 50% sale on now, I brought three! NTS, Nolly, and the Darkglass for my bass.
Cheers dude!
heading over to buy Nolly now haha
i liked all the white ones for nearest my use but that omwga sounded fun for lead.
damn man u dont know how helpfull this is, thank you so much brother
No worries dude
Watching this while using the Gojira plugin is fun
Thanks so much for doing this. I'm having a hard time choosing between Nolly and Abasi myself. I like the extra growl and slightly different feel that the Abasi has, but I think Nolly is the most well rounded. Thoughts?
I Love the Nolly and the NTS. Covers almost everything I need to do, and I use pedals in front of the interface for the rest.
My thoughts exactly. Honorable mention to Fortin NTS which for me would probably be best choice for my Hard Core Crap.Need 'em all ,or a combo of 2. Abasi + NTS.
dude...found your channel today and its really awesome. Its kinda my level of playing skills and your explanations are great! Thumbs up
I saw a thornhill jumper and clicked immediately without even looking at the title 😂. However this video is damn good as per usual my man!
Thanks for the continuous quality content! What's your take on the importance of IRs in creating a solid tone that sits well in the mix? I've got Archetype Nolly, but I'm not quite satisfied with the tones I get. Should I buy Nameless, or am I better off investing in IRs and using them with the Nolly?
Change up your IRs and see how it goes. The nolly amp is very midrangey, so maybe an IR that’s slightly scooped and a bit more present in the high end would pair well with the nolly. The overall tone of Nolly is a little bit more balanced than the nameless, it’s not as harsh.
Great stuff, so informative. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks again dude!
I think the NTS sits really nice in a mix and the Granophyre is really dope in how it really cuts through anything. I feel there is a big difference to how they feel to play, and I just love the response of the Nameless. I wish I preferred the plugins with more options and I have the Abasi but something about the Nameless makes it so fun to play!
I don't understand people who gave dislikes. what they don't like??
I wish I knew
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Nice, honest and objective video (refreshing.) Neural makes some of the best sounding plug-ins hands down (and I've tried all the other leading plug-ins.) That said, when you are listening back on the same relatively small speakers or headphones, I find that the tones start to all sound very similar with slightly different dynamics, like you said mid-range, etc. I was doing other work and listening- wasn't even sure you changed PI's.. That's how similar they sound (great playing too BTW!)
With a little effort, you can quickly customize and get many of the other plug-ins to sound almost exactly like the others. The one exception I would say is the Cory Wang PI (not metal so not featured here.) I downloaded that one last night by mistake and it is just plain special. It also has some unique FX like Delay-y-y and especially "Shimmer" which sounds incredible. You click the hour glass on the right to call them up and wow! You can select the best cabinet and head and dial in your tone and very easily save the custom present, import IR's, etc. One improvement would be if you could save the custom cabinet/mic settings individually. When I save e.g., a Ribbon Mic on Cabinet 1., it is automatically applied to all the cabs- not idea if you want to click the cabs and have different tones while playing. It's not a huge difference but maybe as an update (are you listening Neural???) The PLINI PI is my #2 favorite. All of these PI's will likely sound incredible through the Quad Cortex as well- which will offer many other sonic advantages.
One question since you seem very familiar with these plug ins- what is the best way to add a physical looper pedal into the mix? It's not ideal to add before the PI/Interface. Tried going from interface Audio Out to Looper IN but no luck. Running the Boss RC-500 looper and UMC204HD.
Sick demo man. Hard to pick a favorite. I own the plini, and like how smooth it sounds. It does lack some of that growl that the fortin and nts has. Side note, I'd love a mix run down video. Mainly how you got your drum tone and what processing you did to get it. It sounds super good!
Most of my drum tone is taken from the nolly drum mix videos
Well they all sound great. In the mix the amp sound makes little difference. The mix influences more than anything.
Thanks for doing this. Helped a lot. Also, thanks for intro, game me time to realize I should go to a different tab and take notes to listen blindly. Nameless was really favorite, don't have that one yet. Also, I was surprised by my own notes after listening blindly.
WOW Such an awesome comparison! I like the NTS and the Nameless the most! Your skills are outstanding, as always!
Great video!!
They all practically sound the same in the mix. Even out of the mix theyre quite similar, the nameless seems to have more lowend thump/chunk to it. The abasi and nts have weird "hollow mids"
Edit: just got to where you mention the abasi had the most low aggressive chunk. Hmm.
I never have enough lows, would you say the abasi has the most as some would call it, "balls"?
Subbed a while back btw!
Disembodied Studios the Abasi has this weird low end boost switch
Great video as always man. Appreciate your work. Beginning to think my issue lies more with my guitar/pickups. Using a cheap Ibanez 7 string that I've thrown some Titan 7's in. Jake's signature pickups .Sounds huge but gets a bit muddy and just doesn't have the same bite to it as your Jackson. Every video of yours I watch edges me closer to picking myself up a Misha signature Jackson haha.
Try getting the best signal you can out of your guitar into the interface. New strings, good setup, good cables etc
@@KeyanHoushmandLive do you use a DI box at all? Been wondering if it's necessary. Im playing through a Focusrite 2i2 interface and only using amp sims.
They all sound great! Currently testing the Nolly and really digging it
I just buy the KRK Rokit 5 can’t wait to test ! 🔥🔥🔥😈
Thanks so much for doing this
Abasi and Omega and I'm not even Djent. Those are the ones with unique range, to me anyway. But,......I would probably go w/ either Omega Granophyre, or Mr. Nolly because I'm a Meat and Potatoes Hack Crust/Punk/Death Metal/Desert/Stoner Freak. Top Drawer playing/Demo.
Toss up between the plini and nts packs as to which sounds the best to my ear and my current headphones. I typically go for tones that are up front with a good deal of presence, something with a hi-fi quality to the top end. I don't like guitar mixs that sound distant or pushed back in a mix, even if they're super chunky. In reality, all the amp sims sound very very similar but it's really just about picking out the frequencies you like the best, and those two amps came across as something I'd happily use without tweaking much at all. The nameless sounds very good too but I think it's just got a little too much high end going on to the point of being a little harsh, where as the NTS has a little less but sort of hits a sweet spot. Again, very hard to tell a difference, it may take some people multiple listens to hear it but you can catch it if you keep swapping back and forth between the sims during the guitar-only parts.
It's the first time I heard the Abasi, sounds smoother than the Fortins' tones. I think if I was playing on the Fortin I think I'll get ear fatigue after a while as it's a bit harsh. Great playing and great comparison, they're really closely dialled in. Are Neural DSP plugins CPU hogs? I hate having to up the buffer to compensate. Anyway thanks for the video, they're really helpful
djdz999 the fortin is definitely the harshest but it’s so good on low tuned riffs
Plini, Abasi, Nolly, Nameless, Granophyre, NTS but really they are all excellent.
They are all fantastic
Thank you very much, it is helpful for me.
I have to decide between nolly, plini, fortin!
, Everybody has
particular sound.
Everyone seems to like the Plini nolly and nameless
@@KeyanHoushmandLive by the way, the riff is very cool, I hope for the complete song!
Granophyre and Nts surprised the heck out of me they sound so cool!
Nameless for pure hi gain heaviness, Nolly for overall package.
I have Nameless and Parallax (I have a physical Darkglass B7K ultra pedal, and stack it with Parallax). I tried Abasi Archetype but it wasn't my thing. Going to try Nolly Archetype this weekend
This is a great comparison with great riffing and it was an inspiration for me to make an amp sim comparison of the last aquired Archtype Plini and Nolly vs. the free Amped Roots. I also tried the Abasi but I didn't like it. The sound was not my taste and I couldn't get a tone I like. Keep on the good work, enjoyed also the vid where you dialed in the Archetype Plini!
You should do another video comparing all of these for lead sounds
i can't hear a difference when i just press the time stamps. ( only the abasi )
Plini, Nolly and Granophyre were tops for me. Had that super clear broad midrange thing going on. I'll take all three! :D
Very nice and useful video!! Nameless and Nolly are my jam! 😃 which one is your favourite Keyan? 🙂
Nameless is probably my favourite!
Would be great to see a followup with Gojira, Petrucci, Cali etc.
the guitar tones sound awesome but i love that bass sound and how it blends so well with the guitars!
The Abasi was really good sounding on the single note riff but the with the Chords there's this high frequency thing that I find very fatiguing. The Omega was not as bright as I was expecting compared to the other plugins. The Plini surprised me the most especially with the Nolly right afterwards where I'd say the Plini had more "growl" to it and the Nolly was a bit smoother which you'd initially think it would be the opposite. The nolly sounds a bit wider then the Plini though. The NTS is great but compared to everything else it just doesn't sound or do enough different that I'd consider picking it up since I already have Nolly, Omega and Nameless ATM. Good video man!
the problem with the Abasi plugin is probably because of the tight knob, he shouldn't have kept it at 100% at least for the chords
Welp, nameless was the best in this mix for me. The probably abasi, nolly, plini, then nts, and grano. Totally opposite from when I track. usually grano, nameless, plini.... so pretty cool to feel this for his style.
i know your playing is not the focus of these videos but man u never fail kill it on the riffs!
This was a low gain demo. The sounds were not saturated enough. All the gain knobs were less than half. This is good for strumming the chords, but for the riff part they were not cutting through. This is what you can get from Granophyre: th-cam.com/video/g4eKUawgqss/w-d-xo.html
For the big chords and such, I though Nolly and Plini sounded the best. But for the one note riffs I was digging the Abasi one
Different strokes for different folks
Awesome comparison-thanks for this!
I think it's song related which one sounds/performs "best"