What Is The BEST Neural DSP Plugin?
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0:00 - Let The Games Begin
1:23 - Archetype Abasi
3:35 - Archetype Rabea
5:00 - Fortin Cali
6:39 - Archetype Cory Wong
7:35 - Darkglass
8:22 - Archetype Gojira
10:46 - Omega Granophyre
12:15 - Mesa Suite
13:14 - Archetype Tom Morello
14:28 - Fortin Nameless
16:55 - Archetype Petrucci
19:09 - Archetype Tim Henson
21:22 - Archetype Nolly
22:43 - Fortin NTS
23:23 - Tone King
24:14 - Soldano
25:47 - Parallax
27:56 - Archetype Plini
30:05 - and the winner is… - เพลง
What's your favourite Neural DSP plugin? Let me know in the comments below!
Thank you Xander Raymond Charles for making this Tier List and inspiring me to make this video 🙌
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Rabea aka Donald Trump's bathroom lol
Tommy salami sim is based on a solid state jcm800
The cortex dont support plugins.
nameless, rabea and parallax
Rabea
is amazing
If Neural could update nameless with a pitch shifter, eq, and *any* of those effects pedals, we have a clear winner.
straight up facts... that plugin would probably become metal standard if it had those.
Would be close to Buster’s tone then
It’d probably cut into their sales of the ones which do have that functionality tho. Greedy ass tactic, and I fucking I hate It tho. A pitch shifter would make that plugin 1000x better
@@devendasmusic I wouldn’t call it greedy, it’s just business. I mean it’s not like you can also have the analog effects. If we’re to follow the logic of your comment then neural dsp should make one universal plugin and raise the price by 5 times as much.
Idk man, I think if they give the opportunity to interchange pedals, amp, cab and stuff between plugins it will be the perfect combo and but till then... Sorry but I prefer AmpHub over any of those plugins
Hi Keyan! I just wanted to extend my sincere gratitude to you for putting this specific video out brother. I’ve commented on your channel before but I’ve been putting together my own home studio now over the past several months and it’s something that’s been a daunting task for me. I’ve always been the guy who could play guitar well but knew zero about gear much less recording music on my own. I’m a husband, a father of 4 children, and for a few years I had lost my passion for playing guitar and quite frankly it was a real cause of depression for me. It’s been your channel amongst a few others that have really helped me realize my goal of getting a home studio started and re-lit that fire for playing my guitar again. So THANK YOU Keyan! I’ve consulted your channel primarily for everything regarding audio interfaces, studio monitors, using the quad cortex, and now specifically concerning which neural DSP plugin(s) I want to invest in. I will continue to refer to your channel for everything related to guitar/gear/playing you name it. Don’t let any of the haters make you ever feel like your opinion doesn’t matter or that you aren’t qualified to speak on these subjects because you ARE. Hey I’m a 49 year old dude so I’m probably twice your age but I have no reservations whatsoever in taking advice from you Keyan. Again, thank you for your channel and all the hard work you put into delivering quality content my friend. After watching this video and researching the plugins for months now, I think I’ve settled on the Plini being my first one to purchase. 😊 🤘🏼
Mate I really enjoy how informative your vids are, even though we all really play different types of metal/music, we can really get something out of what you deliver.
Much respect
13:21 You are, Neural actually has tons of Marshall tones:
- Nolly's amp 2 is THE classic 2203 JCM800
- Morello's is a different JCM800 (2210)
- Henson's amp 3 is a Marshall
- Bea's amp 2, the first Kraken channel, is modelled after a JCM900
- Nameless is a modded Plexi
and Cali is also a modded Marshall.
If you want to include it, Plini's amp 2, a Friedman BE100, is also essentially a modded Marshall.
I’ve been trying to figure some of these out, thank you for this!
@@Wizzerman95 I don't know them all, but I know a few of the real amps behind the archetypes.
For example the Nolly amps are:
- Bogner Shiva
- Marshall 2203 JCM800 (with added bright switch)
- Peavey 5150 Blockletter
- Victory V30 Countess ("modded beyond recognition of the original circuit")
Plini's were a Dumble, Friedman BE100 and a blend between a Friedman HBE and a 5150
Would be interesting if they labeled their "inspiration" on the website like they did for the QC models
I'm glad you moved up Gojira. I bought the Cali and the NTS earlier on, but God damn does the Gojira absolutely slay. Not to mention you get THREE amps and cabs AND a ton of effects AND the ability to pitch shift with the whammy pedal . It has everything I'd ever need and I honestly haven't even touched the Cali and NTS since I bought the Gojira. Definitely S tier for me, and I have no problem getting great tones when playing in drop A, G, or F. Gojira absolutely kills it!
I love the IIC+. One of the most "real" feeling sims I've played.
I own the Plini, Nolly & Gojira and absolutely love them. I agree that the Plini one is just so damn inspiring. I just dial in a cab-less clean tone or a thick lead with tons of delay/reverb and could just play for hours. The Nolly one just has the Rhythm tone I always craved for and I've never used anything else for that ever since I bought it. The Gojira is just great for some more experimental stuff. I love creating freaky octaved leads or weird "synth"-esque stuff with it
Agreed on all of the above!
These are the best 3 fr
While the Otto II II lived on my guitar bus for a long time, lately I've come back to Granophyre. Such a great plugin.
I 100% agree with Nameless and Plini in S tier, those are just iconic.
The Obsidian and Granophyre are both real amps, but I actually agree with your list. Great video as always Keyan!
Nice video, really imformative thanks!
I'm personally a massive fan of the sound of the granophyre, I've been using that sim for a long time now, I own a lot of the neural dsp plugins and it is still my go to for any high gain tone. Plini Rabea and Petrucci all three have really amazing lead sounds, Abasi has super unique cleans and very interesting and different (albeit niche) rhythm tones. I use all of them in my workflow for different things
Nice and informative video, Keyan! However I wished you did a short demo of each plugin (with your favourite setting) for comparison
Archtype Nolly is so versatile with tone combinations and the basic effects, had it for 2 years now and still in love with it, weather I'm recording or just plugging in and playing
I thought its as the most sassy, no transpose, mediocre clean ambient tones, mostly garbage you need to shut off when actually mixing guitars yet the amp tones alone aren't that great, the Petrucci offers something better in that area, then better then Petrucci is Rabea and Boogie..in the end the Boogie is the most versatile sim because it has the ability to get the tones of almost 80% if the Neural DSP sims and features like transpose etc., the rest like Fortin cali-nameless have the core tones you expect for a real mix with real bus and post effects on the console before a real master..
I got the Soldano and parallax combo going. Crushing results!
For heavy rhythm tones the Omega is by far the best, even Misha agrees cause that’s what he uses when demoing and doing final tracking for Periphery, then he reamps with other stuff
Agreed
It sounds absolutely amazing, indeed. I only own one Neural plugin, which turned out to be Gojira because it’s way more versatile, but for rhythm alone I would have gone for Omega. Next one for sure!
I have many Neural Dsp plugins but the ones that really made me jump on my seat are Gojira and Plini!
They have an incredible quality and are the two plugins that push me to experiment and always do something new or weird!
I just picked up my Strandberg Sarah Longfield and installed the Juggernauts on it and can't wait to see how it sounds with these plugins!
Great video!
I can already tell you how it will sound - 1000% incredible!. Cool guitar by the way!
I just made my first 2 gigs this weekend playing through Archetype Gojira (with presets change automation) direct to poweramp and cab....so easy to setup, sounded awesome and i got a bunch of great comments on my tone! I love this plugin!
Preset change automation? How'd you set that up?
@@LemonLime36 I use 3 presets (rythm, lead and clean) so i have 3 instences of the plugin on one track and i use the bypass envelope to chose wich preset is active at the right time (we play to the click).
Basically I agree with you. Nameless & Plini are my favorite.
Omega has less feature but its sound is awesome than other neural's heavy ampsims, I think.
NTS and Gojira were my first 2 purchases from NDSP, and later on I bought Nolly, the SLO-100, Granophyre, Cali, and most recently, Plini. I've demoed the other plugins but found that most of them weren't really for me (though I am very interested in the Tom Morello plugin). Ranking the plugins I own from most to least favorite, it would go something like this
1. Archetype: Nolly - probably the one I've used the most. I don't really use the clean or lead amps that often on it, but the crunch tones are great for more rock-style tones, and the 5150 is a 5150. I also really like the cabs on this one, though I do usually just use external IRs or plugins anyways (mainly the GGD Studio Cabs).
2. Granophyre - it's close with the Nolly plugin for me, but Nolly edges it out ever so slightly. I really love the harsh growling kind of tone that comes from the Granophyre. It especially pairs well with the GGD Studio Cabs plugins and you can really get some nasty sounding tones from it.
3. Archetype: Gojira - this one's a bit weird for me. I really love the main amp tones and as I mentioned before, it is one of the first NDSP plugins I owned. More than anything though, I primarily use this for the effects, namely the whammy and the octaver and usually put that in front of a different amp. I don't really like the crunch amp that much, and the clean amp is a bit too breakup-heavy for my tastes.
4. Archetype: Plini - in a way, this one's sort of the inverse of the Gojira for me. I primarily use this for cleans, and I think the heavy amp sounds pretty different from some of the other plugins. Oddly enough, I've found myself using it mainly for 2000s nu-metal kinds of tones, which sounds weird but it just works. Haven't messed around with the crunch tones much, but the clean tones are the main selling point for me. Pretty much the perfect plugin for the djent ambient cleans.
5. Fortin Cali - this is a bit of a mixed bag for me. I think when dialed in right, it's great for more of that "classic djent" style tone that's super jangly and bass heavy. At the same time, I've found this amp is very difficult to dial in compared to the other plugins, and it takes a while for me to get something I'm satisfied with. But for the Meshuggah kind of sound it works pretty well for me (I know the Nameless obviously does that, but I didn't like the Nameless when I demoed it personally). I don't like the crunch settings, but the cleans are pretty nice.
6. Fortin NTS - this was the first NDSP plugin I owned, and at the time was the only one that I really liked the sound of. I still do like using this from time to time, but it is also a little weird to dial in much like the Cali. The main reason why I don't come back to this plugin as much is because for whatever reason, it gives me a lot of performance issues. No other plugin does this, so I'm convinced that it's gotta be this plugin in particular.
7. Soldano SLO-100 - this is probably the plugin I've used the least. Definitely sounds good and works for the Soldano sound as you would hope for, but for my style I don't think it's quite right for me. Not the biggest fan of the cleans, though I have found interesting tones when cranking the clean channel with the crunch switch enabled. But overall, not really for me personally. The high gain is a bit too bassy for me.
This was fantastic. I subbed to your channel cause you DO A MIX when you test a plugin, and that is what is the end result, the most important thing we'll eventually want to hear... This was a thorough review.
I own NONE of these. But I've seen some top engineers use these plugins. For the money, Nolli does so many things, seems like top value.... That said, in the mix, I think ANY of these plugins will get you where you want to go for high gain.
My first neural dsp was the Plini and damn that cleans tones ufff chef's kiss 🤩
As someone who's never actually used a Neural DSP plugin, this was a really useful video and will definitely inform my choices in the future :)
I think the Cory Wong is really underestimated in how good it is for doing anything with DI before hitting an amp or when using an DI, also great for bass too in that regard.
Nameless is what I use the most. I add a slight bit of reverb after it. And lately I have been finding the Tim Henson really useful. I use Plini the most when I put a physical pedal in front of a plugin. I turn off the pedal section and use my own pedals in front. It responds to physical pedals better than the other plugins for some reason. Thanks for the video. It was really interesting!
I‘ll definitely buy the four you put on S and load them on my QC… can’t wait to use them live.
You can load the plugins into the QC now? or have you always been able to do that?
@@TheMackyD you still cant do it now, maybe he just means making some captures
Just when I was wondering which one to buy this banger comes out, I was already looking at nolly, plini, and the petrucci plugins since versatility is what I'm looking for, I also agree with plini having some insane clean tones and this video really opened my mind more to the others and finally helped me decide on one, Good video thanks 🙂👍
Great list, thanks for that! I use the JP the most + Gojira with the Ryan Siew (RIP brother) presets. For my style of heavy music on drop B tuning a perfect choice.
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great comparison! I have been loving the Gojira and Plini plugins.
I love using the Omega Granophyre plugin. I just wish it had some of the newer features, especially the transpose function.
I have several Neural DSP plugins but I wanted to get The Nameless this Black Friday and you explained why 👍 I wasn't sure which plugin to get as the second one but I'll have to revisit Abasi and Nolly after watching this.
That Pink amp from Henson was actually the first modeled after Marshall amp as said by Tim himself in one interview with Rick Beato and it's also JCM 800
I remember that the Nolly also had a Marshall, on the crunch channel, but I might be wrong.
and it sounds like solid state pu55y trash too
@@mikehunt576 no bitches huh bro
Appreciated the opinions. I definitely feel similar about some and different about others but they're all so good and it comes down to preference. Would you be open to doing a drum library tier list?
EDIT: After your changes at the end, I agree much more. Especially the comment about the Fortin gates. That needs to be in all of the high game plugins
Archetype Petrucci has been my favorite so far! Own that one, Gojira, Plini, and Soldano
it's nice to see the Soldano get some love. I had trouble getting a tone I really loved with my new LTD that has active fishmans in it, and the tone i got out of the Soldano plugin fucking rip
Honestly, using the EQ in Gojira with the 80hz cut out and like -2.0 DB at 250 hz and it's fantastic
I demo'd the first 3 or so DSP plugins, beyond the initial "drm experience," I just couldn't get a good sound from any of them out of my setup, even with official presets. I couldn't figure out how to swap the "impulse response" thingy to change the amp sound either. Went back to Bias fx 2/amp, cause at least I can make great tones that I like, with that.
Demo'd: Plini - fortin nameless - fortin cali.
My set-up: Guitar -> Scarlett focusrite 2i2 3rd gen -> Plugin -> mixer board -> headphones.
I liked the idea of DSP being it's super clean & easy to tweak the obvious settings, but they never updated previous archetypes with new features, & I just couldn't figure out how to make it sound good to me.
plini for cleans, granophyre for heavy rhythms and gojira for leads! those are my faves!!
Just imagine Fortin Nameless with Transpose, post EQ and multi effects... My fav ampsim anyways, just sounds killer
This just happend 🙌
just clicked this video and im going all in and saying, for any heavy gutar tone, low tuned or standard: soldano, best amp ive had by them by a mile, the mids are just perfect
I think that more then ever the pickups make a different with these amp sims. I love the mark sim in drop d. easily my favorite, nails the tone of that amp
i have five of them. but the Rabea one for making prog-rock. just insane what you can do with it. love em all for their own qualities though to be fair
I just tested the new Pliny updates... and it´s killer! I Used to use Bias FX (bu it´s Really hard to get good tones from it... idk...) and was choosing a Neural DSP plugin to use. And it was all about Plini or Petrucci. But the tone from Plini are amazingly good.
I've got Gojira, Parallax, and Tone King! Love em all, would be tempted by Nolly if I got another one
Dude I literally only use nolly's presets on all the record I do with my clients lol. blood eagle and heavy rock rythm all the time. My clients are super satisfied pretty much all the time 😀
so just wondering cut I'm thinking of getting a quad cortex, can these plug ins/sounds be loaded to a QC? and be used on the unit itself? or do you build presets on PC then load them to the unit? or is this just for DAW's? computer practice?
Almost all the one of unique ones get me haha. Gojira was really the start of, "damn, do I need this? But it sounds so sick!"
Archetype Nolly + Tonemission John Petrucci IR with my pedal Tubescreamer is the best for me.
1:04 Except that it is part of the conversation, like severe aliasing in some Amps and no oversampling option
I have the Cali and Nameless plugins currently, and get most of the versatility I want from heavy drop tune baritone rhythm tones to cleans and leads in E standard. I do want something a little different to the Cali's clean/crunch options at some point but couldn't make sense of the Plini when I trialed it a while ago. Maybe Nolly is worth a go next
I have the archetype Nolly and Petrucci. I wish the Petrucci had more "conventional" mics like the 57 in the cab sections (but you could always load in your own IR's).
I love the archetype Nolly, BUT I WISH THAT NEURAL WOULD UPDATE IT TO HAVE THE METRONOME FUNCTIONALITY IN STANDALONE MODE (like the Petrucci has).
Nolly And Plini For everything!!!! Plug and Play!
Awesome video! I'm the owner of Plini, Cali, Tim Henson, Petrucci, Nolly, Cory Wong, Rabea, Tone King and Parallax. Love Neural DSP! :)
I own Plini, Nolly and Gojira (only bought it because of the pitch shifter pedal back in time), and tried all the other ones. For me Plini covers everything in clean, crunch and tight tones, and Nolly in djenty and higher gain tones. The newer plugins just don't bring too much new on the table except of transposing
I'm basically here. also, weirdly, Nolly's plugin has great jazz tones
the amp that comes with rabeas is the most real feeling imo, it doesnt do modern metal great do to the low end issues and fuzz unless ur trying to do single coil weirdness or can make up for the lack of low end clarity somehow. But there is something magical about the response to articulation that you get with the lead tones and a fresh set of strings. It bridged the SMALL gap still left on sims vs real so im pumped for the next one (fingers crossed its like Mark Holcomb or something stupid modern and focused on the same kinda thing rabea does) But yeah if you love articulation and really putting feel into leads its miles ahead.
I have gojira and love it. I played a bunch and got a tone I really like and records well. I think I'm gonna buy their petrucci parralax combo that's on sale next and then eventually nameless.
Bought the Nolly and Gojira. Absolutely have no regrets. They cover so much ground sonically. My next potential buy will def be the Parallax just to give my bass some love.
Also I thiiiink the Nolly has a Marshall-esque amp (the second one that’s sorta mid heavy), but it’s not a JCM800. Might be a Silver Jubilee or something like that.
Gojira and Plini are my go-to plug-ins.
The Omega Granophyre is a real amp lol
Might just be me, but I play Double DropC on a 30” 8string on the Gojira plug-in, and it’s massive af, granted I’ve got BKP Ragnaroks in it. However Gojira even sounds sick on my Squire Jazzmaster in drop C# as well haha. I’ve done everything from standard to double A# (shoutouts to Humanity’s Last Breath lol) and it’s probably my personal fav sounding plug-in from Neural DSP. They’re all rlly good and you can’t go wrong with any of them
According to your list, the Omega plugin is the most underrated one, which is in my opinion an amazing plugin (especially for metal)
Damn I gotta give Fortin nameless a try! big Archetype rabea fan
Don't expect much from it
Could you please make a breakdown of your live setup, the baking tracks, click tracks, maybe even in synch lights if you use it🤓 thank you KEYAN
I have Nameless, Plini, Petrucci, and Henson, and I pretty much use all of them all the time (Nameless for rythm, Plini for cleans, and Petrucci for leads) except for the Henson which I find gets surpassed by all the previous ones for each respective category I listed (If I could get a refund on it at this point I probably would).
I personally use Soldano SLO-100 and the Plini plugins. I love the cleans of Plini but the overdrive/distortion of the Soldano. I have tried Nolly but it lacks something on both clean and distortion. I need to try the other Archetypes and the Mesa Boogie plugin.
Archetype: Nolly is my favorite. Kinda wish it had the pitch shifter, but again... I can use Petrucci and deactivate any of the other features in front of Nolly.
Damn, a review without one single tone clip
My two go to sims are Gojira and the Granophyre 🤘
Tim henson and plini plugins are definantly my faves of the 6 that i own
hey have you thought of doing a review of thje berried alive amp? id like to see what tones you can come up with it👍👍
GOJIRA!!! 3RD amp 2ND cab. Drive up front. 10 band in loop, flavor to taste. Massive.❤ Hands down my favorite computer generated tone so far. Others are getting really close, even NAM.
Omega is one of my favorites. I add fortin pedals too it
Hey, will you ever do a video about how to record using neural DSP plug-ins?
Morgan hands down
It's the dogs knackers🎉🎉🎉
Fun fact: the new invent animate album was recorded with archetype gojira
The NTS plugin is very underrated. I love the way it sounds. Yea, it’s just metal and no reverb, but it has a lot of flexibility. Hopefully they update it someday.
Also, I know people like to shit on the SLO100 plugin, but I love how amp-like it feels.
petition for part 2
They definitely have done marshal stuff before. Pretty sure amp 2 in there Nolly is a marshal and one of the Rebea's might be too.
If you ever got an archetype, what would Amps, pedals and effects would you lean towards?
Great vid - I've been bugging Neural to update the Nolly for a long time.... really needs and deserves all the new features. Please Neural DSP, for the love of God man! It seems like such a no brainer to me?...the cash they would rake in? I just don't get it- (Someone from Neural told me they were working on it already...but that was like a year or so ago? lol)
Gojira is king when it comes to high gain amp tone. Super brutal, it's an evh and not the original peavy 5150, to me it sounds more tight and modern with a very pleasing mid range.
I do agree that for the ultra low tuned stuff someone would rather have a kore shrilling kind of tone, personally I mostly play fast metal, and never play anything lower than A# so Gojira is perfect for me. The cleans and crunch tones there are great aswell.
For inspiration, rabea is mindblowing to me, the synths and tones there really make explore the instrument, I love it for leads too.l, plus has all the latest features.
Those would be my first two recommendations for anyone looking to get into ndsp plugins:)
Have you tried the Plini X? Would you still put it in Stier?
I think Gojira should have been in the S tier personally. Some of the best high gain, crunch and actually extremely beautiful and usable cleans if you lower the input level a bit.
Tone King
Gojira is a EVH 5150 Stealth i think that thing is a beast.
All hail the fortin nameless
The amp 2 in nolly is a modded JCM800
The Plini plugin just hits differently. I can't put it into words, but damn... Neural really nailed that one perfectly.
Phenomenal tones, I agree
The one that's like promoted by that um one guy that does music maybe is the best one I think.
I need Neural to make Archetype Mastodon lol
My mainstay is the Wong and the Wong and then the Wong.
Neural dsp is having a sale right now. Petrucci and parallax combo for 30% off. I think it's good for another 13 days. Just a heads up.
the only ones i still use are the nolly, dark glass and parallax... ive since moved on to ml soundlabs
I'd likely buy more neural dsp plugins if they had a global UI allowing you to mix and match components from plugins to make your own fx chain
Rabea also lets you change tubes
They should make an Archetype Sugar Gay. Thatd be metal af!!!!
Gojira works great with low tuned 8 string stuff actually
When is archetype: Keyan coming out?
Soldano for sure