Well either way alz-113 would have been created, franklin would still have been exposed. He probably wouldn’t have spread the virus to the neighbour but it probably would have spread
I think that the monkeys are at the iron / roman age, they have a hierchy, army, domestic animals, ability in using fire but they are also capable of ricreating/ using guns , wires and electric mechanism, so.... Roman/steampunk?
I think it's impossible to assign them to a historical age since they have partial access to a lot of human ruins/technology. But they are nowhere near the level of the Romans, who were well ahead of the Iron Age if anything. The ape society reminds me of a chalcolithic or early bronze age one, where they have their first kingdoms and the beginnings of an advanced society, but are mostly tribal.
I've noticed that the Apes have much more human expressions as well as facial features compared to the previous trilogy, being a part of middle ground between the more simian ancestors and the human-like ones of the 60s.
I truly believe in this story the orangutans were so smart that they started their own civilization.....they all were smart enough to go places that avoided the ape war and also were possibly smart enough to avoid conflict and find peace completely Edit Adding this cause I'm watching rise of the planet of the apes and you can literally see Maurice has a whole group of orangutans with him. Some were very aggressive but that was after someone shop an ape. So they did it out of self defense
@Hlord-be4xx agreed but just because they found peace doesn't mean they aren't warriors.....they most likely also learned combat arts and know 100% how to defeat an enemy. They use non lethal methods. Like traps. Rock throwing cause they can literally throw boulders. Different methods they use like smoke screen or even stink bombs.....having thought ahead. Like we're talking about Maurice but more equipped with the experience. So therefore they would war with other tribes but likely don't want to and remain nomadic for a reason. If not nomadic it's likely they truly did find a sanctuary because orangutans are very adept to go high altitude maybe even making a jabariland type place. Who knows and id like to see it come to fruition. Even showing a king louey type character who became king and is stupid and is the reason orangutans went extinct because this ruler focused only on ruling not actually learning. Hence that would be the downfall of them is ignorance and them not willing to learn anymore
@Hlord-be4xx ahhhhh wow !!!! We should write this together man! The dark and light of the orangutans in the planet of the apes series. Wow and you know what!!! The orangutan in the older 1990 film was a creepy one and he sold humans ....I think it's safe to assume some orangutans actually gave into fear and sold out many unfortunate groups.
It's honestly not shocking from a historical complex l, ape's are no different from humans. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the apes did what the humans did in the beginning. That is creating a cure to some disease that gives humans the intelligence and reverting apes back to animals lol
Something to consider, in 300 years, Caesar original group would multiple dramatically and evidently splinter into various tribes. Like human tribal groups, they probably maintained a similar oral tradition, but not a written language. Unless carefully preserved, must human book would have deteriorated in 300 years.
@@BillyMiley Not only that but Caesar got the chance to live with Humans and experience their good and bad side, so there will be no Ape more wiser than Caesar.
@@BillyMileyI don’t think they compound like that. Doesn’t really make sense. ALZ 113 is a more aggressive version of ALZ112 . Which makes ALZ112 obsolete. All offspring of any ape exposed to ALZ113 is on par if not more “advanced” than Cesar.
If you go back to War, you can see maurice teaching English writing. The apes are not just capable of speech, but are literate and numerate as well. However, in Kingdom, the various clans have clearly lost the art of literacy. I wasnt clear if Raka was literate or not. He does collect books, and understands there value, but, it almost appears as if he cannot read himself?. Mass Literacy, or even literacy among a elite, or scholar class, is a real game changer. I think the apes overall, are not inclined to technology. Neither are most humans tbh. But the apes bias is towards a natural order. Humans needed to acquire their present technological bias-it was no more natrual to us, so, apes would need to go through a similar cultural and mental shift as well. Proximus clearly has made that shift, possibly some of his followers, but the bulk of the apes did not necessarily share Proximus world-view.
Actually I’d say that they are more akin to post Fall of West Rome Germanic tribes, living in a more simplistic time surrounded by things no one can remake or know how to use except for some. Only cleric types know how to read and write etc. It’s basically Right before Frankish empire My guess, the future films will show the apes going back to human like civilisations and power structures, kinda like how many countries wanted to go back to the might of the Roman Empire
As they have fur they dont need clothes, but they still use accesories and style their hair due to cultural reasons, it would be to expect as their culture evolves they start wearing clothes
I don't like the creepy face thingy but they are very smart. I was at the zoo once and these kids wur being loud and obnoxious to this orangutan he turned look at everyone looked at the kids a hit him with a lugi directly in the face. The lung power had to be a 20 foot direct hit I laughed so loud
@@nelladerajOr that one video of the Orangutan giving a creepy smile from behind a woman reporter. I'll admit that's one of the few times they didn't look peaceful to me. Someone taught that poor thing to smile the wrong way lol.
I have a question did the Simian flu affect all Simains? Or just great apes like chimps, humans, gorillas, bonobos and Orangutans Cause if you look up a list of Simian species you get a list of a whole range of primates.
I saw Maurice teaching them to read in the second or third movie... But if Proximus Caesar was interested in evolving quickly he would have his apes learn to read and write and do math and continue advancing human knowledge
Given that the furthest the apes ever evolved was the civilization we saw exististing 2,000 years after the simian flu in 1970's Beneath the planet of the apes, I would say the average human has an iq of 115, the average ape an iq of 95
Necessity is the mother of invention, given their physical prowess and hair they won't have any reason to invent machines like humans do. As far as this franchise goes I think it has officially jumped the shark. The idea that satellites, telescopes, and advanced computers would last 300 years is laughable. Also even if say half of the remaining humans from war retained their intelligence and speech from the mutant virus 300 years is more then enough time to make a significant comeback in population, there should be millions of humans by now. Plus humans still live longer then apes, even without modern medicine with sanitation alone humans can live twice as long as apes in the wild. Apes won't ask the big questions because it never crosses their minds, Humanity first
wait.... it was never officially stated that it was 300 years ago... it only said many generations later. But which generation is it? Ape or Human? What if it's only been 60 years?!
@@ivandphantom9028 based upon the degradation of the cities it has been around 200 years minimum, modern concrete can't last more then a few hundred years without maintenance. Even still satellites would fall out orbit within a few years and that telescope would be unusable after just one winter exposed to the elements.
Well, when the director was asked about the actual timelapse, he said he has never really revealed it. But when the interviewer said if it was around 300 years, Wes Ball (The Director) said that it was a pretty good guess. So, roughly 300 years it is.
The original virus killed 99.8 % of the population. Then fighting and surviving probably killed anoyher half. Only then did the new strain emerge and make most of the remaining people mute and simple. So, probably 0.001 percent of the population has remained intelligent. I don't see humanity coming back from that in 300 years.
Makes me realize that part of this all happened because of a neighbor being an asshole
Kinda lmao
But really cause the guy from the original trials pulled up with an illness and coughed on him
@@veemiyagimusic3892 Yeah makes sense, thank you for replying!
Well either way alz-113 would have been created, franklin would still have been exposed.
He probably wouldn’t have spread the virus to the neighbour but it probably would have spread
Biggest butterfly effect
Well, world war 1 started because a driver made a wrong turn
The director said himself in an interview that the rebooted trilogy was the Stone Age, this new trilogy is the Bronze Age
I think that the monkeys are at the iron / roman age, they have a hierchy, army, domestic animals, ability in using fire but they are also capable of ricreating/ using guns , wires and electric mechanism, so.... Roman/steampunk?
Nah, they have access to more advanced technology, but their overall organization and economic development has remained relatively simplistic
I think it's impossible to assign them to a historical age since they have partial access to a lot of human ruins/technology. But they are nowhere near the level of the Romans, who were well ahead of the Iron Age if anything. The ape society reminds me of a chalcolithic or early bronze age one, where they have their first kingdoms and the beginnings of an advanced society, but are mostly tribal.
Nah i would say more beggining of Bronze Age
But the older ones had guns this movie no guns
Apes*
I've noticed that the Apes have much more human expressions as well as facial features compared to the previous trilogy, being a part of middle ground between the more simian ancestors and the human-like ones of the 60s.
I truly believe in this story the orangutans were so smart that they started their own civilization.....they all were smart enough to go places that avoided the ape war and also were possibly smart enough to avoid conflict and find peace completely
Edit
Adding this cause I'm watching rise of the planet of the apes and you can literally see Maurice has a whole group of orangutans with him. Some were very aggressive but that was after someone shop an ape. So they did it out of self defense
The orangutans 🦧 are all sweethearts. They are usually my favorite side characters
@@izzymaedavidson1974 agreed I loved how Maurice was strong and willing to fight . Ugh it was sad to see how they passed.
@Hlord-be4xx agreed but just because they found peace doesn't mean they aren't warriors.....they most likely also learned combat arts and know 100% how to defeat an enemy. They use non lethal methods. Like traps. Rock throwing cause they can literally throw boulders. Different methods they use like smoke screen or even stink bombs.....having thought ahead. Like we're talking about Maurice but more equipped with the experience. So therefore they would war with other tribes but likely don't want to and remain nomadic for a reason. If not nomadic it's likely they truly did find a sanctuary because orangutans are very adept to go high altitude maybe even making a jabariland type place. Who knows and id like to see it come to fruition. Even showing a king louey type character who became king and is stupid and is the reason orangutans went extinct because this ruler focused only on ruling not actually learning. Hence that would be the downfall of them is ignorance and them not willing to learn anymore
@Hlord-be4xx ahhhhh wow !!!! We should write this together man! The dark and light of the orangutans in the planet of the apes series. Wow and you know what!!! The orangutan in the older 1990 film was a creepy one and he sold humans ....I think it's safe to assume some orangutans actually gave into fear and sold out many unfortunate groups.
the orangutans in the wild are solitary, they regroup for mating only, they're peaceful but also unlikely to work together
It's honestly not shocking from a historical complex l, ape's are no different from humans. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the apes did what the humans did in the beginning. That is creating a cure to some disease that gives humans the intelligence and reverting apes back to animals lol
well then everything would just go straight to shit again 😂
Would love that
that would need thousands of years
@@_martian101 Could be shorter if they found ancient manuscripts, as long as they can read. Could be 200 years they are pretty smart
@@eggheadusa no they won't, in order to have huge technological leap you need billions of individuals, even reverse engineering ain't cheap
Something to consider, in 300 years, Caesar original group would multiple dramatically and evidently splinter into various tribes. Like human tribal groups, they probably maintained a similar oral tradition, but not a written language. Unless carefully preserved, must human book would have deteriorated in 300 years.
Yes they are BUT not as evolved ad Caesar thou, Caesar is stil by far the most evolved ape even in Kingdom.
Well I think ceaser was one of a kind
It was because he was double dosed alz 12 from his mother and alz 13 by himself his lineage will be by far the most advanced
@@BillyMiley Not only that but Caesar got the chance to live with Humans and experience their good and bad side, so there will be no Ape more wiser than Caesar.
@@BillyMileyI don’t think they compound like that. Doesn’t really make sense. ALZ 113 is a more aggressive version of ALZ112 . Which makes ALZ112 obsolete. All offspring of any ape exposed to ALZ113 is on par if not more “advanced” than Cesar.
I'm gonna laugh if all these "New" movies end up being prequels to Burton's POTA
If you go back to War, you can see maurice teaching English writing. The apes are not just capable of speech, but are literate and numerate as well. However, in Kingdom, the various clans have clearly lost the art of literacy. I wasnt clear if Raka was literate or not. He does collect books, and understands there value, but, it almost appears as if he cannot read himself?. Mass Literacy, or even literacy among a elite, or scholar class, is a real game changer. I think the apes overall, are not inclined to technology. Neither are most humans tbh. But the apes bias is towards a natural order. Humans needed to acquire their present technological bias-it was no more natrual to us, so, apes would need to go through a similar cultural and mental shift as well. Proximus clearly has made that shift, possibly some of his followers, but the bulk of the apes did not necessarily share Proximus world-view.
Actually I’d say that they are more akin to post Fall of West Rome Germanic tribes, living in a more simplistic time surrounded by things no one can remake or know how to use except for some. Only cleric types know how to read and write etc.
It’s basically Right before Frankish empire
My guess, the future films will show the apes going back to human like civilisations and power structures, kinda like how many countries wanted to go back to the might of the Roman Empire
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is a great movie and working it's way forward to the 1968 movie were the movie will even better to get to that point
I was expecting for them to be wearing clothes by now but i guess this is a different evolution type.
Thing is, they don't really need clothes. They do wear a Lot of accessories though.
they sort of do
@@BrunoSarlas I have to say i like it. They don´t overencumber the characters with a lot of things, they keep them simple and functional.
@@varto07 Yeah, I like it too. And I prefere this way than to have verry furry big apes wearing clothes that cover they whole body
As they have fur they dont need clothes, but they still use accesories and style their hair due to cultural reasons, it would be to expect as their culture evolves they start wearing clothes
Like button for if you think orangutans 🦧 are all sweethearts ☺️
I don't like the creepy face thingy but they are very smart. I was at the zoo once and these kids wur being loud and obnoxious to this orangutan he turned look at everyone looked at the kids a hit him with a lugi directly in the face. The lung power had to be a 20 foot direct hit I laughed so loud
@@206beastman what creepy face thingy ? Lol
hes probably just being dramatic about the cheek pads that males develop
@@nelladerajOr that one video of the Orangutan giving a creepy smile from behind a woman reporter. I'll admit that's one of the few times they didn't look peaceful to me. Someone taught that poor thing to smile the wrong way lol.
@@EmilioReyes_97 OH YEAH 😂😅😅😅
THIS INTRO THO ITS SO FIRE
Ans this almost all could of been avoided if a scientist kept his ppe on properly and isolated himself
No, it mainly because of the drug that unfortunately already spread around the world.
@Nabil-ef7lo which wouldn't of happened without the first exposure event in the lab-
1:52 first part felt like a breaking news reel🤌🤌
I have a question did the Simian flu affect all Simains? Or just great apes like chimps, humans, gorillas, bonobos and Orangutans
Cause if you look up a list of Simian species you get a list of a whole range of primates.
I saw Maurice teaching them to read in the second or third movie... But if Proximus Caesar was interested in evolving quickly he would have his apes learn to read and write and do math and continue advancing human knowledge
GxK: The New Empire reminds me of this movie series
Monke
-1.0 needs to have a cameo with the apes.
I don’t see how
They look more like cooper age or even bronze age, wich is when the first complex societies emerged
Given that the furthest the apes ever evolved was the civilization we saw exististing 2,000 years after the simian flu in 1970's Beneath the planet of the apes, I would say the average human has an iq of 115, the average ape an iq of 95
Necessity is the mother of invention, given their physical prowess and hair they won't have any reason to invent machines like humans do. As far as this franchise goes I think it has officially jumped the shark. The idea that satellites, telescopes, and advanced computers would last 300 years is laughable. Also even if say half of the remaining humans from war retained their intelligence and speech from the mutant virus 300 years is more then enough time to make a significant comeback in population, there should be millions of humans by now. Plus humans still live longer then apes, even without modern medicine with sanitation alone humans can live twice as long as apes in the wild.
Apes won't ask the big questions because it never crosses their minds, Humanity first
wait.... it was never officially stated that it was 300 years ago... it only said many generations later.
But which generation is it?
Ape or Human?
What if it's only been 60 years?!
@@ivandphantom9028 based upon the degradation of the cities it has been around 200 years minimum, modern concrete can't last more then a few hundred years without maintenance. Even still satellites would fall out orbit within a few years and that telescope would be unusable after just one winter exposed to the elements.
@@ghostofwolfmoonmani3877 ok thats a good point, but who knows, maybe it'll be explaine din the next mvoie
Well, when the director was asked about the actual timelapse, he said he has never really revealed it. But when the interviewer said if it was around 300 years, Wes Ball (The Director) said that it was a pretty good guess. So, roughly 300 years it is.
The original virus killed 99.8 % of the population. Then fighting and surviving probably killed anoyher half. Only then did the new strain emerge and make most of the remaining people mute and simple. So, probably 0.001 percent of the population has remained intelligent. I don't see humanity coming back from that in 300 years.
I personaly like the Remake with mark wallberg
What would you rate it
That ending deserved a sequel!
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First
Didn’t like kingdom of the planet of the apes as much as I liked the movies before. They made it seem like another cringe weak talking animal movie.
The movies have to go more in to the future to be were they are in the 1968 movie