1:54 What makes you think Anakin was an incredibly loyal person? He literally betrayed and murdered the entire Jedi Order because Sidious MIGHT be able to help with his bad dreams. THEN decades later, dude betrays Sidious. Vader is categorically unable to keep oaths of loyalty
His chain of importance (so to speak) was: family -> friends -> self -> order/mission. He WAS loyal to his friends. But his loyalty to his wife supercedes his friendships. Keep in mind, his force visions in the past had been proven real, ie when his mother died. Comparing his Jedi premonition to a "bad dream" is nothing but an attempt to project real-world truths (premonitions don't happen) to a universe where premonitions are relatively common. And Vader betrayed Palpatine because Palpatine betrayed him and was murdering his son (Palpatine = friend, Luke = family, family > friend).
@@comradekenobi8146 If his chain of importance had family first, he didn't adhere to it in the chancellor office when he betrayed Windu. He sided with and trusted Palpatine. When Palpatine let him know he was the Sith lord followed with he the knowledge to safe the one he loved from dying! Anakin should have immediately never trusted Palpatine. Why would Palpatine try to help Padme when it was him who ordered all those attempts on her life the past 13 years.
@@comradekenobi8146 What motivated reason? The movement Palpatine revealed to him, he was the Sith Lord. Every discuss or words Palpatine had with Anakin should have been as a means to lie, deceiver and use Anakin. Why? He was behind everything! He was giving information to the Separatist about military operations during the Clone wars. However, more importantly, he ordered assassination attempts on Padme live. The man who did that Anakin believe he would help him save Padme live. Really! With all the things Palpatine was doing against people Anakin cared about, supported and depended on, he sides with him.
13 years of planning from the end of episode 1 to the end of episode 3. I think he started planning the moment he meant Anakin in episode 1. Though I could be wrong.
Darth Vader's power was quickly gaining on Sidious. While Sidious was spending a lot of his time and energy in schemes of immortality, Vader was gaining in power. People unfortunately see his final moments incorrectly in my opinion. They see it as a guy picking up a smaller guy and throwing him down a shaft. WAY OFF. Vader's telekinesis was off the charts, and Anakin used this in conjunction with strength and cybernetics. Anakin used a tremendous force power unseen, crushing, controlling, guiding, unyielding, terrifying, and too devastating for any Sith lord in all of past and future history to defend against. Id say that even if the emperor fell in a nice cushy bed, he would have died within another minute from the bodily trauma.
Yeah the Vader was close to beating Sidious, but Lightning was his extreme weakness, also Sidious never taught Vader anything, he was forced to learn everything by himself
Darthreloy just like the mace kick to the face, I love your analysis! The physical beat down was where Vader would beat Palpatine and you said that perfectly. One neck snap or organ crushed and it's over.
Because, the suit was made for Palaptinr to have an upper hand, even if Vader had done such, Palestine would have felt this.. and exterminate him before the suit was even complete.
Maybe that's not possible? The Force is basically magic, and Force Lightning follows different rules than actual electricity. Which is why it is possible to throw it around inside of metal-filled rooms without it arcing to the nearest conductive object and grounding out.
Did Palpatine actually lie or deceive Vader about Padme's death based on the information Palpatine had at the time? Palpatine seemed to believe Padme died when Vader attacked her on Mustafar. Why would Palpatine believe she died some other way? Did Palpatine have some information that Padme left Mustafar alive? Palpatine certainly didn't know Padme gave birth to twins.
In the new canon vader is allowed to modify his suit as he sees fit, I dont know how thats going to play into the new canon mixed with OT cause couldnt he just make a suit not weak to force lighting?
@@lukeottaway5660 Don't forget that underneath that suit, pretty much all of his limbs are built out of metal/alloys. He was a giant lightning rod, even in the suit. Hence why Vader could not survive mere seconds of being subjected to Palpatine's lightning, yet Luke did and endured a longer duration of it than Vader.
Vader should have went off on a "mission" and just left the Empire to do things on his own building his own Forces to eventually fight the emperor. Possibly even leaking information to the rebel alliance through either one of his own storm troopers out of uniform or somehow capturing a rebel and giving them this information while Vader stays anonymous not letting anybody know where his loyalties are
Sidious doesn't have any patience?! Didn't he wait patiently for years-- decades even-- plotting and scheming and finally putting his secret, twisted machinations into motion?! I'd say that he waited patiently until the Jedi was ripe for the picking so to speak-- and then made his calculated maneuvers.
Vader with his suit highers his connection to the dark side and it makes him stronger so he could overcome his master and destroy him and the new canon Vader is really powerful
The Lightning didn't kill him, but the lack of oxygen from his broken iron lung in his chest did. Luke sustained far more lightning than Vader did and still got up just fine afterwards, so Vader didn't come close to receiving a lethal dose. He just died of suffocation minutes later.
Because he did not have the high ground... also if you need a what if please do what if Shaak Ti listened to Fives in the Ep. Orders of the clone wars tv show? Hope you feel better as well!!
I think that if Vader took all his rage out on sidious and blocking his force lighting with his light saber maybe Vader might have defeated the emperor if he went proper berzek with rage
Bessy-Can’t DV just use his lightsaber to catch Sidious’ force lightning (eg-Obi-Wan to Dooku, Windu to Sidious)? I’ve always thought that he should do this!
I am still shocked that Vader was surprised at Sidious and his attempts to create or train a more powerful apprentice or enforcer. After all Vader was a Sith Lord so he is fully aware how succession of the Rule of Two works. Despite whether you think Vader was following the rule or not, he was still aware of it.
"incredibly loyal" Killed all of his Jedi friends, tried to kill his own wife, best friend, son and tortured his daughter!... Loyal! He is loyal to himself and that's it, hence his fall to the darkside!
That is true only the force and the lightsaber can protect you from force lighting...Windu used his lightsaber and Yoda was able to use the force and absorb the force lighting as seen against Count Dooku and Palpatine. useing just his hands and the force to protect himself.
For the first (and last) time in recorded history the High Ground which Anakin finally held went up against the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise which Sidious held. Sidious fell (down the shaft) and Anakin stood tall upon the High Ground like his master before him (and then died).
If he confronted Sidious about it, then this is what would've happened: Anakin Skywalker, more commonly known as Darth Vader has just learned the best/worst news of his life, his son Luke was alive! Hang on, he thought, how can this boy be my son if I killed his mother on Mustafar...unless, his intellect caught up with him and told him his master had lied to him on that fateful day so many years ago as not only did he NOT kill Padmé though I came pretty damn close a voice in his head spoke but his son was alive as well, my son...our son, if I find him then what? he mused, he knew Luke would be difficult to turn to the darkness as he was thinking the child would be a girl...wait a second, could she have carried twins? His conscious mind was perplexed but immediately remembered Leia and how resilient she was even when faced with her home's genocide just like another senator he once knew, the realisation that he tortured his own daughter broke him inside and now he's decided he must go dark in order to plan what he's planning in his hidden lakeside palace on Naboo which he bought outside of the emperor's knowledge so he can grieve and mourn his angel in peace. On the other side of the galaxy a woman, in her late 40s by most estimations has found something very peculiar on her home world of Naboo, for she has found a lakeside palace not too far from her family's retreat but because this woman had been in hiding since the death of her husband and assuring her twins safety, she'd been visited by her daughter Leia but had seen to it Luke never finds her and this was because of a fear that through him not only would Vader find her but her long time nemesis Palpatine but, despite her reservations about entering this palace she saw fit to try because she was curious and highly motivated to find out who this palace belongs to, she made it to an entrance on the far east as that was the safest way to get in and there weren't any imperial guards so she was grateful but what she saw next shocked her, for she had burst in on Darth Vader meditating inside his hyperbaric chamber and as she beheld the back of his burned head she gasped in shock, Vader placed the mask onto greet his uninvited guest when he saw a face he'd never thought he'd see again 'Pa-Padmé??' he stammers, Padmé is confused 'Yes, have I met you before Lord Vader?' Vader nods 'We've certainly met alright, I'd never thought I'd see you again after that awful day on Mustafar,' Padmé frowns 'You weren't there Lord Vader...unless I was lied to when my husband was branded dead by Yoda!! The liar!!' but before Vader could utter any response Padmé threw herself into his arms as he says softly 'I've missed you Padmé,' Padmé looks up at him her eyes watering 'I've missed you as well Anakin,' Vader didn't care if his wife used his old name because he knew it would be a futile gesture getting her to comply with any orders, Vader pulls back for a moment 'Do you know about the kids' survival?' he asks her Padmé nods 'Yes I do, I was a part of Leia's life on Alderaan and met her very frequently,' Vader smiles under his mask 'That's very good, tell her to come I'd love to speak with her and her allies,' Padmé frowns 'You don't mean to kill them do you Ani?' Vader shakes his head 'Don't be absurd, I hear her best friends are an ex smuggler whose in debt and our son Luke, I can help their cause from within the empire Padmé and destroy it once and for all,' Padmé smiles 'I like your thinking Ani,'. The millennium falcon has landed on a private landing pad with Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo and Chewbacca on board, awaiting them is Leia's mother Padmé Amidala Skywalker as they all greet one another, Leia more aggressively so because its her mother, Leia speaks up 'I have to say, after you left Alderaan this is one of the more grand locals I've met you at mom,' Padmé smiles 'This isn't mine sweetheart, this belongs to a good friend,' Leia is curious 'Who is she?' Padmé amends 'He, and he's this way, come along all of you,' the 4 all look around curiously at the decor of the palace while Padmé leads them to the dining room where Lord Vader awaits them, he stands up and walks over to all of them 'Cheers Padmé, welcome all of you forgive any lack of formalities but I would like to discuss matters of great importance with all of you, but that will take place after dinner please be seated,' the 6 all sit around the table, Vader at the head, Padmé and Leia on either side of him Chewbacca opposite him and Luke and Han behind Padmé and Leia respectively, Vader notices all eyes on him and demanding answers 'I know I have questions to answer and I can tell not everyone is particularly happy to share a meal with me but hear me out, a dinner like this with all my family present is a first and its very pleasant for me so please refrain from name calling, food fighting and inadequate manners,' that last comment was directed at Han in particular Leia laughs but Han quickly takes notices and tries striking her in the face when his hand is stopped 'When I said food fights, I thought I was clear enough, do I have to specify normal fights as well Captain Solo?' Han scowls but nods in understanding 'Apologies Lord Vader, I never expected for you of all people to be hosting dinner parties with your worst enemies,' he then takes a sip of the wine Vader had prepared and is very pleased 'Corellian Vintage, I never thought I'd compliment anything related to you Lord Vader, but you have good taste in alcohol,' Padmé smiles 'You never were one to drink were you, Anakin?' Vader shakes his head 'I wasn't, you're correct Padmé,' leaving all but Vader and Padmé perplexed at what just happened Leia and Luke get up 'We thank you for the hospitality Lord Vader, but we need some fresh air,' Vader nods 'Take all the time you need, I have something to discuss with Solo anyway,' Leia and Luke exchange a look both very confused by what's just happened. Part 2 will happen soon. This one was Vader bonding with his new allies and a dinner party seemed like the best way to do that imho
I would like to hear part 2. Would you write one where Vader shows his more human side? Almost as if he was remembering that kiss he gave padme on Naboo, and just breaking down and showing the good in him. I'm a huge Vader fan, and the beauty about his character is that he isn't truly evil, but he also isn't good. He just does what's best for his family. Cheers!
Palpatine could kill Darth Vader very easily by blasting his mechanical suit with Sith Lightning. In addition, Vader was also "consumed" by the Dark Side at the time that he discovered that the pilot who blew up the Death Star was a Skywalker (possibly, but not definitely a relative of his).
Seems like the logical route for Vader to have taken at that point would be to have risked cloning new limbs and body parts to regain an upper hand on Palpatine. Too many writers in SW now. It's fun still but with the amount of writers adding content it has made all the different factions look like keystone cops.
"Too many writers in Star Wars now" Excuse me, the Expanded Universe had a LOT more writers than canon, and is a LOT more jumbled. Hell, pre-Kennedy Lucasfilm canon was literally a spectrum.
Excuse me star but he is correct but vader could not kill papatine due to him having plot armor cannot kill him when he appears in episode 4,5 and 6 unless he cloned himself.
I don’t think he should’ve asked him, but it would’ve been interesting if Vader decided to try and update his cybernetics to the most current and non-conductive available. I realize this could have killed him. But if he really wanted to defeat Sidious, it may have been worth the risk.
I don't think Palpatine actually knew about the kids. Had he known he would have A killed them ir B tried to get them to train them as possible replacements for vador. Vader himself didn't sense his own daughter when in her presence.
This comic is really still canon? I'm afraid that it might not fit continuity with the way they seem to be buffing Vader in the new comics. Sure, Sidious has the upper hand, but Vader seems at least 5-10% stronger than he used to be in the currents comics. So instead of being 80% as powerful as the emperor he seems more like 85 to 90%.
How Ezra turned into Snoke. Ezra is showing he needs to take more action against the empire so he teams up with Saw on a dangerous mission. During this mission something goes wrong and a blast blew off Saws feet and caused him the breathing problems. He was able to get rescued and he just assumed Ezra is dead because he was closer to the blast and leaves him. Kanan will try and rescue him but will die causing Ezra to feel lost and abandoned. Ezra now deformed like Snoke is falling to the dark side, but still knows the light (same reason why Snoke likes Kylo). At some point he will be able to come back from where ever and does something to get us to TFA. I kinda want the planet to be Mustafar, maybe Saw learned that’s Vader’s home and wanted to attack? Ezra(Snoke) believes he has gotten stronger and that he could save the rebellion if Vader was gone. But then what I said before happens and Ezra(Snoke) is stuck hiding from the Empire on the planet. For years Ezra(Snoke) is just soaking up the dark side on the planet. Then the empire falls and Mustafar isn’t important anymore so Ezra(Snoke) is finally able to escape. Learning Kylo is Vader’s grandchild he believes he can make Kylo better than Vader because he knew how great of a Jedi Anakin was in the Clone wars (Ahsoka will tell him Vader’s identity soon). And he knows Vader was a powerful sith because they lived on the same planet for 6-10years. Snoke wanted Kylo to be both so that’s why he was chosen.
I think pretending to be subservient was his best option, he could formulate a strategy where he could've killed the emperor, Yeah force lightning was a threat to him, but he did have the empires $$$ on hand he could've gotten a clone and done force transference, could've gotten a new suit, I think its bs in the world of star wars there isn't anything to regrow limbs but wtvr. There were multiple ways he couldve achieved his goal
Considering Vader had fought/won numerous duels against surviving Jedi, I think Vader would have had the best chance of defeating the Emperor out of anyone in the galaxy at that time. Even if Vader killed Palpatine, the rest of the Empire would not have fallen in line, Vader was not exactly popular with the Officers of the Imperial military. Without the Military's support Vader would be forced to go into hiding or try to start a civil war.
Question, if the rebels wanted to hide Luke from Vader, why didnt they change his family name like Leia? Unless Skywalker was a common family name in the galaxy.
Darth Vader could have learned something from Darth Malak.....shoot down his ship while in space. No one in the imperial fleet could match him in space combat anyways.
Uff this story of force lightning and all these Sidious fan boys that speculate on it. Vader can block force lightning with his lightsaber, and He is destined to kill Sidious, the principal reason why He d'ont confront him is for plot reasons.
If I were Anakin at the end of ROJ, I'd have used Luke's discarded lightsaber to kill Sidious instead of picking him up & throwing him down the shaft. I'm sure Lucas would agree once Episode 9 drops & disney changes the lore to uncle Palpy surviving instead of dying at the hands of Anakin..
Why couldn't Vader sense he had 2 children and that they were alive all along? Cuz he should be able to do that with all that chosen one strong with the Force stuff.
My personal favoritism of Vader aside, I honestly do think that Vader was the stronger of the two. He had a wider range of abilities, or at least he shows us as such, and he was much bigger and stronger physically. I think that if Vader were to confront the Emperor in person and attempt to murder him, he likely would have been successful in the moment, but he never did so because even if his victory had been reached, his cybernetics would have been mostly destroyed in the encounter, leaving him to suffocate to death minutes after Sidious was already dead. It wasn't Vader that was in danger of the lightning, but his mechanical body parts. In canon, force lightning takes several moments to kill someone, so Vader would have been able to persist long enough to use the super strength of his robotic hands to crush Palpatine's throat, spine, or some other vital area. Vader has also demonstrated that he is fluent with tutaminis, the Force ability to absorb energy. This has been shown to be used against Force lightning, blaster bolts, and as seen in some legends comics, it can even allow one to grab the blade of a lightsaber. He is also capable of using Force Shield to protect himself, and Kinetite, a statically charged sphere of Force energy. It isn't like regular Force lightning, but it is capable of destroying large vicinities and can tear someone apart. Vader likely would have been able to block, absorb, or repel Sidious's lightning, but he couldn't do so in Return of the Jedi due to direct contact with him.
Using the Force to grab a lightsaber blade is canon. The Father in the Mortis arc of The Clone Wars grabbed Anakin's blade and forced it back into the hilt. While it is canon, I'd assume that it is an insanely advanced Force power that is almost impossible to achieve.
He should have confronted him but without any hostilitie Vader: you... you lied to me Sidious would explain him self And if they fought vader maybe have cybernetics but sidious was old and vader would have done the same as windu did by blocking sidious lightning with his lightsaber and deflecting back on to him disfiguring him even More and Finnish him off
Vader had plenty of chances to do just like Kylo Ren did. But his thinking was of defeating his master. Most Sith probably took their masters by surprise. Vader thought to much in terms of a straight up fight. Palpatine got his master drunk and killed him. I mean snap the old guys neck next time your chatting him up, or tie fighter his shuttle or something.
Why can't Vader deflect the lightning with his lightsaber? Is that a Jedi ability? We see Yoda, Obi Wan & Mace all do it. IDK if that's enough for him to challenge Sidious, but it's better than taking a direct hit from the lightning.
He didnt find out that Luke was his son, Sidious did. Vader didn't confront Sidious about a twin sister because he was in a dual with Luke and would kill Sidious and himself moments later
Why doesn't his gauntlet stop Palpatine's force lighting it stops everything else... I get the lighting goes everywhere but it should be enough to.grab ahold of Palpatine and snap his neck woth brute strength rather than the force right.
Its not his gauntlet that stops everything its the force and repelling Palpatine's lightning with the force is something even Yoda couldn't fully do without taking damage, if Vader's suit is touched by the lightning for even a second hes a dead man.
Armourshipping isEternal The inquisitors would be slaughtered by Vader with ease minus less Palpatine who can slaughter them before they have the chance to process what happened
So if Vader wanted to kill palpatine why did he block Lukes lightsaber strike when Luke tried to kill palpatine when he was sitting on his thrown at the end of Return of the Jedi?
Vader could have stabbed Sidious instead of grabbing him, just saying. Ignite his lightsaber on his head, if he can't react to Vader walking to him, he can't react to this.
Vader was not more machine than human. If you look purely at his injuries he kept the main trunk of his body or his core. Now GRIEVOUS WAS DEFINITELY MORE MACHINE THAN FLESH N BLOOD
I don't know if this is legends, but didn't Palpatine start developing a new, better suit for Vader so Vader could defeat him and continue the rule of two and Sith lineage?
I was thinking the same thing. I mean at some point the Emperor would of known....and he might have known about the duel between Vader and Obi-own regardless if Vader (for now in cannon at least) never told him.
I'm sorry but the explanation at the end of this video doesn't make any sense. If he could actually be electrocuted then why didn't he try to enhance his suit in such a way that this could become problematic. The suit that could protect him from heat of the light saber cannot protect him from this electroshock - that is odd.
Oh, and by the way: there may be many explanations to what had happened in the movie but in fact, before Vader dropped the Emperor into that pit, Luke has cut off his arm breaking the isolation of Vader's suit.
What would have happened if he actually tried to confront and kill Palpatine for his lies?
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I actually believe Vader could've taken Palpatine
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What if Vader confronted palpatine
1:54 What makes you think Anakin was an incredibly loyal person? He literally betrayed and murdered the entire Jedi Order because Sidious MIGHT be able to help with his bad dreams. THEN decades later, dude betrays Sidious. Vader is categorically unable to keep oaths of loyalty
His chain of importance (so to speak) was: family -> friends -> self -> order/mission. He WAS loyal to his friends. But his loyalty to his wife supercedes his friendships. Keep in mind, his force visions in the past had been proven real, ie when his mother died. Comparing his Jedi premonition to a "bad dream" is nothing but an attempt to project real-world truths (premonitions don't happen) to a universe where premonitions are relatively common. And Vader betrayed Palpatine because Palpatine betrayed him and was murdering his son (Palpatine = friend, Luke = family, family > friend).
@@comradekenobi8146 If his chain of importance had family first, he didn't adhere to it in the chancellor office when he betrayed Windu. He sided with and trusted Palpatine. When Palpatine let him know he was the Sith lord followed with he the knowledge to safe the one he loved from dying! Anakin should have immediately never trusted Palpatine. Why would Palpatine try to help Padme when it was him who ordered all those attempts on her life the past 13 years.
Arron Frazier Uh, Mace wasn't family. And people have motivated reasoning. I doubt Vader wanted to hate Sidious this late into their relationship.
@@comradekenobi8146 What motivated reason? The movement Palpatine revealed to him, he was the Sith Lord. Every discuss or words Palpatine had with Anakin should have been as a means to lie, deceiver and use Anakin. Why? He was behind everything! He was giving information to the Separatist about military operations during the Clone wars. However, more importantly, he ordered assassination attempts on Padme live. The man who did that Anakin believe he would help him save Padme live. Really! With all the things Palpatine was doing against people Anakin cared about, supported and depended on, he sides with him.
He is the Senate,
He has unlimited power,
but most importantly,
He knows the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.
Lol
If only he had the resistance to falling damage of his former apprentice Darth Maul...
Christopher Woodbury He should.The force is stronger in him.
The Empire of the Hand
But he didn't have the most important of all...
*THE HIGH GROUND*
And how did this knowledge suit him?
2:51 I just remembered that Palpatine is one of the most patient villains ever.
13 years of planning from the end of episode 1 to the end of episode 3. I think he started planning the moment he meant Anakin in episode 1. Though I could be wrong.
Darth Vader's power was quickly gaining on Sidious. While Sidious was spending a lot of his time and energy in schemes of immortality, Vader was gaining in power. People unfortunately see his final moments incorrectly in my opinion. They see it as a guy picking up a smaller guy and throwing him down a shaft. WAY OFF. Vader's telekinesis was off the charts, and Anakin used this in conjunction with strength and cybernetics. Anakin used a tremendous force power unseen, crushing, controlling, guiding, unyielding, terrifying, and too devastating for any Sith lord in all of past and future history to defend against. Id say that even if the emperor fell in a nice cushy bed, he would have died within another minute from the bodily trauma.
Yeah the Vader was close to beating Sidious, but Lightning was his extreme weakness, also Sidious never taught Vader anything, he was forced to learn everything by himself
I didn't realize Vader liked to refer to himself in the third person.
Darthreloy just like the mace kick to the face, I love your analysis! The physical beat down was where Vader would beat Palpatine and you said that perfectly. One neck snap or organ crushed and it's over.
Because he has unlimited power
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Darth Vader Well I am the 66th like...WHAT HAVE I DONE
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Addy Liu yet he needed Anakin to kill Mace
Why didn't vader make a suit resistant to force lightning
Because Palpatine made the suit for him.
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Because, the suit was made for Palaptinr to have an upper hand, even if Vader had done such, Palestine would have felt this.. and exterminate him before the suit was even complete.
Maybe that's not possible? The Force is basically magic, and Force Lightning follows different rules than actual electricity. Which is why it is possible to throw it around inside of metal-filled rooms without it arcing to the nearest conductive object and grounding out.
Why did you put me in the suit in the first place?
Did Palpatine actually lie or deceive Vader about Padme's death based on the information Palpatine had at the time?
Palpatine seemed to believe Padme died when Vader attacked her on Mustafar. Why would Palpatine believe she died some other way? Did Palpatine have some information that Padme left Mustafar alive?
Palpatine certainly didn't know Padme gave birth to twins.
I always thought that Palpatine lied to him.
Silver Dove and he most probably did. What Bryan is saying is what he thinks happened.
In the new canon vader is allowed to modify his suit as he sees fit, I dont know how thats going to play into the new canon mixed with OT cause couldnt he just make a suit not weak to force lighting?
ironoxide007 Exactly!
Maybe it actually is resistant to force lightning, but in ROTJ, his hand was cut off, exposing his cybernetics and leaving him vulnerable.
@@lukeottaway5660 Don't forget that underneath that suit, pretty much all of his limbs are built out of metal/alloys. He was a giant lightning rod, even in the suit. Hence why Vader could not survive mere seconds of being subjected to Palpatine's lightning, yet Luke did and endured a longer duration of it than Vader.
Very interesting commentary, a lot to think about, but you hit the right idea about the subject.
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Vader should have went off on a "mission" and just left the Empire to do things on his own building his own Forces to eventually fight the emperor. Possibly even leaking information to the rebel alliance through either one of his own storm troopers out of uniform or somehow capturing a rebel and giving them this information while Vader stays anonymous not letting anybody know where his loyalties are
Vader is so cool! He's still my favorite redemption story with Quinlan Vos right behind him!
Sidious doesn't have any patience?! Didn't he wait patiently for years-- decades even-- plotting and scheming and finally putting his secret, twisted machinations into motion?! I'd say that he waited patiently until the Jedi was ripe for the picking so to speak-- and then made his calculated maneuvers.
Vader with his suit highers his connection to the dark side and it makes him stronger so he could overcome his master and destroy him and the new canon Vader is really powerful
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Exactly, so why didn’t he live through RotJ?
The Lightning didn't kill him, but the lack of oxygen from his broken iron lung in his chest did. Luke sustained far more lightning than Vader did and still got up just fine afterwards, so Vader didn't come close to receiving a lethal dose. He just died of suffocation minutes later.
Because he did not have the high ground...
also if you need a what if please do what if Shaak Ti listened to Fives in the Ep. Orders of the clone wars tv show? Hope you feel better as well!!
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Vader shoulda taken Palpatine on the Maury Povich show
I was surprised that Vader never had Force Lightning!
I think that if Vader took all his rage out on sidious and blocking his force lighting with his light saber maybe Vader might have defeated the emperor if he went proper berzek with rage
4:10. Badass pic
Bessy-Can’t DV just use his lightsaber to catch Sidious’ force lightning (eg-Obi-Wan to Dooku, Windu to Sidious)? I’ve always thought that he should do this!
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I am still shocked that Vader was surprised at Sidious and his attempts to create or train a more powerful apprentice or enforcer. After all Vader was a Sith Lord so he is fully aware how succession of the Rule of Two works. Despite whether you think Vader was following the rule or not, he was still aware of it.
darth vader*: "LIER!! YOU BROUGHT HIM HERE TO KILL ME!!" *force chokes palpy*
emperor:"Lord vader I..." is being choked.
I would like to see a "what if" story where Vader survives Return of the Jedi after Luke turns him good.
4:34-Vader:Why didn't you tell me I had a son, you old goat?
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"incredibly loyal" Killed all of his Jedi friends, tried to kill his own wife, best friend, son and tortured his daughter!... Loyal! He is loyal to himself and that's it, hence his fall to the darkside!
I don't see why Vader didn't slowly replace his cybernetics for better. He had the knowledge know how and rcc.
He could have tried to ambush Palpy when he was dropping Brown logs
Ooohh.... Interesting. Thanks Bessy!
Why not fix the electricity weaknesses though?
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Because Palpatine wanted to have control over Vader
Its impossible and Vader isn't weak to electricity but to FORCE LIGHTNING, only Force and Lightaber can protect you from it
That is true only the force and the lightsaber can protect you from force lighting...Windu used his lightsaber and Yoda was able to use the force and absorb the force lighting as seen against Count Dooku and Palpatine. useing just his hands and the force to protect himself.
For the first (and last) time in recorded history the High Ground which Anakin finally held went up against the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise which Sidious held. Sidious fell (down the shaft) and Anakin stood tall upon the High Ground like his master before him (and then died).
If he confronted Sidious about it, then this is what would've happened:
Anakin Skywalker, more commonly known as Darth Vader has just learned the best/worst news of his life, his son Luke was alive! Hang on, he thought, how can this boy be my son if I killed his mother on Mustafar...unless, his intellect caught up with him and told him his master had lied to him on that fateful day so many years ago as not only did he NOT kill Padmé though I came pretty damn close a voice in his head spoke but his son was alive as well, my son...our son, if I find him then what? he mused, he knew Luke would be difficult to turn to the darkness as he was thinking the child would be a girl...wait a second, could she have carried twins? His conscious mind was perplexed but immediately remembered Leia and how resilient she was even when faced with her home's genocide just like another senator he once knew, the realisation that he tortured his own daughter broke him inside and now he's decided he must go dark in order to plan what he's planning in his hidden lakeside palace on Naboo which he bought outside of the emperor's knowledge so he can grieve and mourn his angel in peace.
On the other side of the galaxy a woman, in her late 40s by most estimations has found something very peculiar on her home world of Naboo, for she has found a lakeside palace not too far from her family's retreat but because this woman had been in hiding since the death of her husband and assuring her twins safety, she'd been visited by her daughter Leia but had seen to it Luke never finds her and this was because of a fear that through him not only would Vader find her but her long time nemesis Palpatine but, despite her reservations about entering this palace she saw fit to try because she was curious and highly motivated to find out who this palace belongs to, she made it to an entrance on the far east as that was the safest way to get in and there weren't any imperial guards so she was grateful but what she saw next shocked her, for she had burst in on Darth Vader meditating inside his hyperbaric chamber and as she beheld the back of his burned head she gasped in shock, Vader placed the mask onto greet his uninvited guest when he saw a face he'd never thought he'd see again 'Pa-Padmé??' he stammers, Padmé is confused 'Yes, have I met you before Lord Vader?' Vader nods 'We've certainly met alright, I'd never thought I'd see you again after that awful day on Mustafar,' Padmé frowns 'You weren't there Lord Vader...unless I was lied to when my husband was branded dead by Yoda!! The liar!!' but before Vader could utter any response Padmé threw herself into his arms as he says softly 'I've missed you Padmé,' Padmé looks up at him her eyes watering 'I've missed you as well Anakin,' Vader didn't care if his wife used his old name because he knew it would be a futile gesture getting her to comply with any orders, Vader pulls back for a moment 'Do you know about the kids' survival?' he asks her Padmé nods 'Yes I do, I was a part of Leia's life on Alderaan and met her very frequently,' Vader smiles under his mask 'That's very good, tell her to come I'd love to speak with her and her allies,' Padmé frowns 'You don't mean to kill them do you Ani?' Vader shakes his head 'Don't be absurd, I hear her best friends are an ex smuggler whose in debt and our son Luke, I can help their cause from within the empire Padmé and destroy it once and for all,' Padmé smiles 'I like your thinking Ani,'.
The millennium falcon has landed on a private landing pad with Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo and Chewbacca on board, awaiting them is Leia's mother Padmé Amidala Skywalker as they all greet one another, Leia more aggressively so because its her mother, Leia speaks up 'I have to say, after you left Alderaan this is one of the more grand locals I've met you at mom,' Padmé smiles 'This isn't mine sweetheart, this belongs to a good friend,' Leia is curious 'Who is she?' Padmé amends 'He, and he's this way, come along all of you,' the 4 all look around curiously at the decor of the palace while Padmé leads them to the dining room where Lord Vader awaits them, he stands up and walks over to all of them 'Cheers Padmé, welcome all of you forgive any lack of formalities but I would like to discuss matters of great importance with all of you, but that will take place after dinner please be seated,' the 6 all sit around the table, Vader at the head, Padmé and Leia on either side of him Chewbacca opposite him and Luke and Han behind Padmé and Leia respectively, Vader notices all eyes on him and demanding answers 'I know I have questions to answer and I can tell not everyone is particularly happy to share a meal with me but hear me out, a dinner like this with all my family present is a first and its very pleasant for me so please refrain from name calling, food fighting and inadequate manners,' that last comment was directed at Han in particular Leia laughs but Han quickly takes notices and tries striking her in the face when his hand is stopped 'When I said food fights, I thought I was clear enough, do I have to specify normal fights as well Captain Solo?' Han scowls but nods in understanding 'Apologies Lord Vader, I never expected for you of all people to be hosting dinner parties with your worst enemies,' he then takes a sip of the wine Vader had prepared and is very pleased 'Corellian Vintage, I never thought I'd compliment anything related to you Lord Vader, but you have good taste in alcohol,' Padmé smiles 'You never were one to drink were you, Anakin?' Vader shakes his head 'I wasn't, you're correct Padmé,' leaving all but Vader and Padmé perplexed at what just happened Leia and Luke get up 'We thank you for the hospitality Lord Vader, but we need some fresh air,' Vader nods 'Take all the time you need, I have something to discuss with Solo anyway,' Leia and Luke exchange a look both very confused by what's just happened.
Part 2 will happen soon. This one was Vader bonding with his new allies and a dinner party seemed like the best way to do that imho
I'd consider writing fan fiction.
Why'd you say that?
Because that is a pretty good story.
Cheers, I'd thought people'd complain that Vader in my story was nothing but a dinner host but clearly I was remiss
I would like to hear part 2. Would you write one where Vader shows his more human side? Almost as if he was remembering that kiss he gave padme on Naboo, and just breaking down and showing the good in him.
I'm a huge Vader fan, and the beauty about his character is that he isn't truly evil, but he also isn't good. He just does what's best for his family. Cheers!
Palpatine thought he had Vader under his strings but it was the other way around basicly
Palpatine can still sense Vader's anger even if they are lightyears apart.
Palpatine could kill Darth Vader very easily by blasting his mechanical suit with Sith Lightning. In addition, Vader was also "consumed" by the Dark Side at the time that he discovered that the pilot who blew up the Death Star was a Skywalker (possibly, but not definitely a relative of his).
With Anekin's knowledge of engineering, do u think he could've insulated his suit and protected himself without Palpatine's knowledge?
If it wasn't for force lightning a Vader V.S. Palpatine duel would be interesting
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Seems like the logical route for Vader to have taken at that point would be to have risked cloning new limbs and body parts to regain an upper hand on Palpatine. Too many writers in SW now. It's fun still but with the amount of writers adding content it has made all the different factions look like keystone cops.
I don't thing that cloning limb is possible in new canon, in canon there is No one that recieved cloned limbs
"Too many writers in Star Wars now"
Excuse me, the Expanded Universe had a LOT more writers than canon, and is a LOT more jumbled. Hell, pre-Kennedy Lucasfilm canon was literally a spectrum.
Excuse me star but he is correct but vader could not kill papatine due to him having plot armor cannot kill him when he appears in episode 4,5 and 6 unless he cloned himself.
One quick strike would take care of him or if concerned about sensing his intentions DV could set up traps.
I feel like he said what he had to say to the emperor after he learned that his son was still alive
Which issue of the comic is this
I don’t think he should’ve asked him, but it would’ve been interesting if Vader decided to try and update his cybernetics to the most current and non-conductive available. I realize this could have killed him. But if he really wanted to defeat Sidious, it may have been worth the risk.
"Hey dude. Not cool. Not cool bro."
RetroCNY ?
Your voice has changed Bessy!
He sounds better too.
That pic if emperor in 2:20 looked like Kathleen Kennedy
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Lashing out is the easy way but as Palpatine did. Its' better to be patient and be smart about how you approach the situation Vader was in.
I don't think Palpatine actually knew about the kids. Had he known he would have A killed them ir B tried to get them to train them as possible replacements for vador. Vader himself didn't sense his own daughter when in her presence.
Don't Dew It.
This comic is really still canon? I'm afraid that it might not fit continuity with the way they seem to be buffing Vader in the new comics. Sure, Sidious has the upper hand, but Vader seems at least 5-10% stronger than he used to be in the currents comics. So instead of being 80% as powerful as the emperor he seems more like 85 to 90%.
Yeah new canon is making Vader extremly powerful
The only reason Vader didn't beat the emperor was because of loyalty
This is one of the new comics.
Unlimited Hatred Nah bro Vader is outright superior comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/canon-darth-vader-respect-thread-1715394/
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How Ezra turned into Snoke. Ezra is showing he needs to take more action against the empire so he teams up with Saw on a dangerous mission. During this mission something goes wrong and a blast blew off Saws feet and caused him the breathing problems. He was able to get rescued and he just assumed Ezra is dead because he was closer to the blast and leaves him. Kanan will try and rescue him but will die causing Ezra to feel lost and abandoned. Ezra now deformed like Snoke is falling to the dark side, but still knows the light (same reason why Snoke likes Kylo). At some point he will be able to come back from where ever and does something to get us to TFA.
I kinda want the planet to be Mustafar, maybe Saw learned that’s Vader’s home and wanted to attack? Ezra(Snoke) believes he has gotten stronger and that he could save the rebellion if Vader was gone. But then what I said before happens and Ezra(Snoke) is stuck hiding from the Empire on the planet. For years Ezra(Snoke) is just soaking up the dark side on the planet. Then the empire falls and Mustafar isn’t important anymore so Ezra(Snoke) is finally able to escape. Learning Kylo is Vader’s grandchild he believes he can make Kylo better than Vader because he knew how great of a Jedi Anakin was in the Clone wars (Ahsoka will tell him Vader’s identity soon). And he knows Vader was a powerful sith because they lived on the same planet for 6-10years. Snoke wanted Kylo to be both so that’s why he was chosen.
Ezra never saw Empire rise and fall, he was born when the empire was in power
What's your point? He studied Anakin teaching through holograms (S2E18) and knew he was powerful. Snoke might be around the same age as Luke
I think pretending to be subservient was his best option, he could formulate a strategy where he could've killed the emperor, Yeah force lightning was a threat to him, but he did have the empires $$$ on hand he could've gotten a clone and done force transference, could've gotten a new suit, I think its bs in the world of star wars there isn't anything to regrow limbs but wtvr. There were multiple ways he couldve achieved his goal
He should used his lightsaber as Mace Window.
Considering Vader had fought/won numerous duels against surviving Jedi, I think Vader would have had the best chance of defeating the Emperor out of anyone in the galaxy at that time.
Even if Vader killed Palpatine, the rest of the Empire would not have fallen in line, Vader was not exactly popular with the Officers of the Imperial military. Without the Military's support Vader would be forced to go into hiding or try to start a civil war.
Klyoren means Sith’ari in Rakatan language. Basic translation is Kylo Ren.
Source?
Question, if the rebels wanted to hide Luke from Vader, why didnt they change his family name like Leia? Unless Skywalker was a common family name in the galaxy.
If someone told me I was the chosen one, I'd confront palpatine. The worst that could happen is we'd both die, which would be fine if I hated myself
He can't kill Palpatine because his site is vulnerable to force lighting
Why did Luke drag Vader's body? He could have just force pushed or levitated him much more easily!
So vader was afraid of Sith lightening even though he had a light saber he could have used to block the force lightning
Darth Vader could have learned something from Darth Malak.....shoot down his ship while in space. No one in the imperial fleet could match him in space combat anyways.
Uff this story of force lightning and all these Sidious fan boys that speculate on it. Vader can block force lightning with his lightsaber, and He is destined to kill Sidious, the principal reason why He d'ont confront him is for plot reasons.
His son has a twin sister. .. which means he has a daughter also. Well thank God you're here to explain these things
If I were Anakin at the end of ROJ, I'd have used Luke's discarded lightsaber to kill Sidious instead of picking him up & throwing him down the shaft. I'm sure Lucas would agree once Episode 9 drops & disney changes the lore to uncle Palpy surviving instead of dying at the hands of Anakin..
I think Vader could've taken Palaptine with Luke's help of course
Didn't even know that Palpatine knew about Luke and Leia. How would he?
Why couldn't Vader sense he had 2 children and that they were alive all along? Cuz he should be able to do that with all that chosen one strong with the Force stuff.
Cause he didn't want to die
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My personal favoritism of Vader aside, I honestly do think that Vader was the stronger of the two. He had a wider range of abilities, or at least he shows us as such, and he was much bigger and stronger physically. I think that if Vader were to confront the Emperor in person and attempt to murder him, he likely would have been successful in the moment, but he never did so because even if his victory had been reached, his cybernetics would have been mostly destroyed in the encounter, leaving him to suffocate to death minutes after Sidious was already dead.
It wasn't Vader that was in danger of the lightning, but his mechanical body parts. In canon, force lightning takes several moments to kill someone, so Vader would have been able to persist long enough to use the super strength of his robotic hands to crush Palpatine's throat, spine, or some other vital area.
Vader has also demonstrated that he is fluent with tutaminis, the Force ability to absorb energy. This has been shown to be used against Force lightning, blaster bolts, and as seen in some legends comics, it can even allow one to grab the blade of a lightsaber. He is also capable of using Force Shield to protect himself, and Kinetite, a statically charged sphere of Force energy. It isn't like regular Force lightning, but it is capable of destroying large vicinities and can tear someone apart. Vader likely would have been able to block, absorb, or repel Sidious's lightning, but he couldn't do so in Return of the Jedi due to direct contact with him.
Using the Force to grab a lightsaber blade is canon. The Father in the Mortis arc of The Clone Wars grabbed Anakin's blade and forced it back into the hilt. While it is canon, I'd assume that it is an insanely advanced Force power that is almost impossible to achieve.
Oh cool, thanks for the info!
Vader should have said you lied to me and you will die for it
He should have confronted him but without any hostilitie
Vader: you... you lied to me
Sidious would explain him self
And if they fought vader maybe have cybernetics but sidious was old and vader would have done the same as windu did by blocking sidious lightning with his lightsaber and deflecting back on to him disfiguring him even
More and Finnish him off
Vader had plenty of chances to do just like Kylo Ren did. But his thinking was of defeating his master. Most Sith probably took their masters by surprise. Vader thought to much in terms of a straight up fight. Palpatine got his master drunk and killed him. I mean snap the old guys neck next time your chatting him up, or tie fighter his shuttle or something.
Why didn’t Vader make a suit resistant to the high ground?
Why can't Vader deflect the lightning with his lightsaber? Is that a Jedi ability? We see Yoda, Obi Wan & Mace all do it. IDK if that's enough for him to challenge Sidious, but it's better than taking a direct hit from the lightning.
Confronting Palpatine was never a career-enhancing move.
He didnt find out that Luke was his son, Sidious did. Vader didn't confront Sidious about a twin sister because he was in a dual with Luke and would kill Sidious and himself moments later
Why doesn't his gauntlet stop Palpatine's force lighting it stops everything else... I get the lighting goes everywhere but it should be enough to.grab ahold of Palpatine and snap his neck woth brute strength rather than the force right.
Its not his gauntlet that stops everything its the force and repelling Palpatine's lightning with the force is something even Yoda couldn't fully do without taking damage, if Vader's suit is touched by the lightning for even a second hes a dead man.
Why didn't Vader try to get the Inquisitors to join him so he could take over the galaxy? Please make a video on this!
Armourshipping isEternal The inquisitors would be slaughtered by Vader with ease minus less Palpatine who can slaughter them before they have the chance to process what happened
397 Llederson but all together they could probably kill him, IF they worked together
So if Vader wanted to kill palpatine why did he block Lukes lightsaber strike when Luke tried to kill palpatine when he was sitting on his thrown at the end of Return of the Jedi?
Vader could have stabbed Sidious instead of grabbing him, just saying. Ignite his lightsaber on his head, if he can't react to Vader walking to him, he can't react to this.
I think vader should had turned back to the light and become Anikan again and from be a secret defector.
I think Vader should've kept that knowledge to himself and find a way to destroy the emperor
sith don't have friends. they have rivals and it is and always will be there goal to kill there rival.
Ryan Haynes there can be 2.
Why didn’t Vader make a suit that gives him the high ground or a higher high ground
Vader was not more machine than human. If you look purely at his injuries he kept the main trunk of his body or his core. Now GRIEVOUS WAS DEFINITELY MORE MACHINE THAN FLESH N BLOOD
I don't know if this is legends, but didn't Palpatine start developing a new, better suit for Vader so Vader could defeat him and continue the rule of two and Sith lineage?
Do a video on why the emperor knew Luke was Darth Vader son in episode 5.
I was thinking the same thing. I mean at some point the Emperor would of known....and he might have known about the duel between Vader and Obi-own regardless if Vader (for now in cannon at least) never told him.
The Emporer probably found out about it from intel after Vader already learned of it.
What difference would of it made
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I think the only Vader that could give Palpatine a run for his money could be knightfall Vader
Incredibly loyal person my ass😂 I mean in his defence not everyone was loyal to him
If Darth Vader was so powerful than why didn't he just create a force ability that allowed to survive force lighting? 😐
I'm sorry but the explanation at the end of this video doesn't make any sense. If he could actually be electrocuted then why didn't he try to enhance his suit in such a way that this could become problematic. The suit that could protect him from heat of the light saber cannot protect him from this electroshock - that is odd.
Oh, and by the way: there may be many explanations to what had happened in the movie but in fact, before Vader dropped the Emperor into that pit, Luke has cut off his arm breaking the isolation of Vader's suit.
What if the high ground was made of sand?
Cylo was the evil Tony Stark of the Star Wars universe
Why didn't Vader just snap Sidious's neck? A guy with Cybord arms vs a old dude, would be pretty easy.
Celestial Wing he would be shocked to death before he ever got close