@@MacroLore question here, how fast are the white scars since spartans (all Spartans not just 2) are faster then what showed from most astartes, (highest Space marine speed feat is 52 to 55 mph meanwhile spartans has 3 to 5 feats where they moved around 80 mph & they have higher agility due to more agile armor & inbuild thruster).
@@moonamir9708 kinda hard to answer since it varies from author to author. White scars are the fastest (loyalist) space marines by a decent margain. Some authors say normal space marines can run at 60mph comfortably. I'd wager 70mph for the theoretical top speed of a space marine. It's important to remember that spartans and astartes are very different roles. Astartes are meant to go toe to toe with any and all galactic threats, think of astartes as a hammer. Spartans are a chisel, or a precise drilling tool. They work best when utilized in a "shoot and scoot" manner of warfare
@@moonamir9708 Bro read this if you have time. Deflecting a hypersonic bullet with a combat knife: Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks. Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232. Space Marine speed /No fatigue, Not exhausted, Zero damage body taken, normal running speed. Their boots pounded onto the stone as they sprinted, never once looking back. Genetically enhanced muscles bunched and moved within the fibrebundle cabling that augmented their strength, while three lungs and two hearts worked to capacity inside their heaving chests. Talos vaulted a pile of rocks, his boots crashing down on the other side and never missing a stride. His eye lenses flickered runic sigils between 85 and 87 kilometers per hour. We've been running for 7 minutes Night lord omnibus by Aaron Dembski-Bowden /page 899.
a space marine can run 20KPH for 20 hours straight. and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor. and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@definitelynotcole Spartan/Master Chief lore also fluctuates, I think the latest feat Spartans have is deflecting a ballistic missile by moving it away with their hand
@@DaxterKing If we’re calling “point-blank” in and around 6 feet; a standard 9mm bullet can travel ~1300 feet in one second, then it can travel 6 feet in 6/1300 seconds. So, it will take a 9mm approximately 4.615 milliseconds to travel 6 feet, well under a Spartan’s reaction time. They’d have 0 chance of avoiding a point blank round. Now from say, 15/20 times+ that distance? Sure they could potentially dodge it, granted they see the muzzle flash or the round is subsonic and they hear the shot first. 60km is the fastest spartan 2. not miles
As someone who is a lore nerd about both universes. I think in a 1v1 arena match space marines always win. They have the same reflexes, speed etc, but space marine strength is just crazy and if they are a veteran they have been alive for 100s of years of fighting. Where Spartans shine is in stuff like sabotage, assassinations, stealth, infiltration, planning and guerilla fighting. Places where you can't have a lot of people but still need to do a lot of damage. I think the chief would do very well with the Raven guard or Alpha legion.
Yeah I completely agree except space marines actually are faster in both speed and reaction times. Spartans run at a max speed of 34.2 MPH the only exception to this is Kelly-087 who is considered to be the fastest Spartan and only runs marginally faster then that. And chief has the reaction time of 20 miliseconds. Astartes on the other hand run at speeds of up to 55 MPH and have reaction times in the nanoseconds... Making them faster in both speed and reaction times by a massive margin.
Gen 3 already have faster cals for speed feats. Astates at range are at a disadvantage as the shield recharge in seconds. If a space marine gets close chief has build in grapple hook to get away or he can get close the grapple hook also has built in emp effect. Which will stunnlock the astartes long enough to get the kill. Also forgetting gen 3 has built in thurster pack and camo so the Raven guard isn’t going to sneak up on chief when he can camo himself.
@@NastyStankyChickenwrong chief at age 14 without mjolnir armour was at 20 milliseconds in armour with gen 1 it was 5 milliseconds. If you read latest end and death book it says custodies has 5 milliseconds. As Spartans age they get faster and stronger and with gen 3 it like a x25 boost. He much faster. Fall of Reach: According to Mendez, Spartans fresh out of augmentation at 14 with no armour could sprint in bursts up to 55kph. Kelly was said to be slightly faster. This not close to what gen 3 grown up spartan 2 do. Waypoint: Kelly’s profile says in GenII armour she can run at 65kph and maintain it. Glasslands: Makes mention of an unarmoured Spartan being able to comfortably maintain a pace of 40kph.
The Example you used from Halo 3 in the Night Lords section doesnt work because that wasnt sound. It was a psychic attack orchestrated to confuse, taunt, and frustrate Chief and it was adopting Cortana's voice for the sake of jabbing at his guilt. Other than all that, still a slaaneshi dub, chief could buy time by cutting off all audio feed but thats a temporary solution.
At a steady quick pace a Space marine from a generic chapter can run at about 21Km/h and maintain this for roughly 20 hours before he starts to tire. In the Night Lords Trilogy normal marines are shown to be able to push their bodies to the limit to achieve 85Km/h while sprinting. In the Night Lords Trilogy.
Yeah I think you're wrong about blood angels, the black rage or the red thirst don't just make them mindless beserkers. They basically power up every facit of what they already had, they don't lose any skill they just lose all self regard, as with the red thrist they become incredibly powerful and just want to devour their opponent and the black rage they have visions that their enemy is Horus. That's it, they gain so much more durability and power in both states, books repeatedly state that a marine in the black rage or the red thirst would continue fighting even with wounds that would kill another Astartes. They become even stronger, faster and more durable then they were before... Chief loses handidly if a blood angel falls to either the black rage or the red thirst.
Chief would hide, get the first few hits in with his rifle, it would do nothing, then that space marine would send 3 rounds of .75cal gyro jet explosive rounds, one misses and hits the wall while the next two hit him in the head and chest.
Iron Hands are probably the worst space marine you could possibly be forced to fight if you're another space marine. Iron Hands were basically the R&D department of space marine legions back in the crusade. If the mechanicum was about to send out a new piece of wargear or a new vehicle intended for astartes use, the Iron Hands got the first batch, conducted the field testing, worked out a lot of the kinks, and drafted tactical doctrine concerning its usage. Guilliman's codex was HEAVILY influenced by the findings of the Iron Hands in terms of the exploration of new wargear, how it was to be deployed, used and maintained. You could rock up to an Iron Hand with just about any piece of wargear in the Imperium's armories, and he'd already know how you're going to attempt to use it against him. He knows its strengths, weaknesses and specifications already. If you're an astartes and you manage to eat an Iron Hand's brain, that is, if you can pick out all the microchips and wires, its just going to be a light-speed slideshow of technical manuals. There's no implement of war you could throw at an Iron Hand that would even remotely surprise him, or that he wouldn't already know how to counter, aside from some weird bunga-wunga xenos horseshit. This is why the dropsite massacre happened. Horus was scared shitless of the Iron Hands after he found out they wouldn't be joining him, so had to use the combined strength of EIGHT traitor legions, plus numerous traitor mechanicum and exertis imperialis assets to bring down what basically amounted to abou two thirds of the Iron Hands legion, which numbered about 113000 space marines at the height of their numbers. Plus, Iron Hands are just so obscenely tough, intelligent and hard to kill that those two thirds lost on Istvaan V were pretty much all Veterans. Understandable why Horus had to round up almost the entireity of the forces under his command at that time to take them out.
@@supremercommonder iron hands aren’t idiots. Don’t you think that if they were going to replace their body parts with cybernetics, that the FIRST thing they’d shield them against is EMP’s? The Iron Hands have been fighting enemies that’d make chief piss himself in terror for over 10,000 years. EMP’s haven’t sent them packing yet, numerous factions easily capable of such technology have been wiped out by the Iron Hands. Look up the Fall of the Lords of Gardinaal.
@@supremercommonderthe Iron Hands have been constantly expanding their armories and technology, and cybernetically enhancing themselves, and fighting enemies that would make Chief piss himself in terror for over 10,000 years. Don’t you think that an EMP would be the FIRST thing that an Iron Hand would shield his implants and armor against? In fact, don’t you think pretty much every space marine chapter/legion would’ve done that? A space marine being unshielded against EMP’s would be a fuckup on par with throwing a flashbang grenade and forgetting to look away lol 😂😂😂
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Farsight does it to the ultramarines in one of the books and it completely disabled the marines and there other exmaple of emp disabling space marines the wank space marines fans is a joke. Chief can stung lock with grapple hook even for a bit he can literally punch at 72 tons easy. Master Chief's Banshee punch has interesting implications of the force, energy, and speed delivered by John in the novel. Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force. In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch: t = d/v t = 1/30 = .033• About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive. Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following: F = ma = (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06) F = 720,000N Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy. He punching holes in these boys
its been made abundantly and consistently clear thru out the decades when deliberately rooted and "analytically" driven lore started, and even accross 100's of different authors that a SM's PA, because of the black carapace acts and functions EXACTLY like a "second skin", simply a "natural" extension of the wearer. And because of the arduous and painstaking full body, sub dermal surgical connection of the black carapace's array of ports and sockets DIRECTLY to the SM's entire nervous and muscular systems that the PA pieces literally plug and connect into make the 2000 pounds of ceremite literally weightless to the SM once hes fully armored and power pack switched on.
It’s not restrictive at all. The power pack and black carapace allow the space marine to move as if they don’t have any armor on at all. In a recent Ork book I read I think it was called Brutal Kunnin, an iron warrior was fighting a tech priest and was doing literal back flips and in their second fight was swinging his hammer so fast that the tech priest couldn’t react at all and couldn’t keep up
I wish to add just a bit to 5:07 in the video. Spartans can also survive hostile environments without their armor we see it when Jun fights a Spartan IV that defected to the insurrection, Jun and the Spartan IV gets launched out into the vacuum of space for a time while brawling, he managed to get back inside and was brought to the infirmary where he recovered in days time. Spartan IVs and their augmentations are also designed to survive hostile environments, as their augments are almost similar to that of a Space marine, with all their organs being replaced with synthetic ones, their new stomachs being able to process metals and toxins, their lungs being replaced so that they can naturally filter toxins and gasses that enter their system. They have an advanced blood clotting system in their blood that lets them close wounds in a matter of seconds and more. So I truly believe that Spartans are on Par if not slightly better than your average and slightly above average space marine. I say this because psykers, and named characters just have stuff that cant really be explained all to well. Like for example the warp, or chapter masters being similar to their brothers but their experiences make them physically superior than their peers for some reason.
Just for some more information about the Spartans as well. I feel as if a lot of these videos, do downplay Spartans or dont go into details as much as they should. STRENGTH: Spartan Strength for example. Its very clear that a lot of people believe that Space marines could just pick up a Spartan like a toy and ragdoll them. But I believe the same for the Spartans. We commonly see Spartans ripping open, flipping, and destroying tanks with their bare hands. And if we want a smaller scale, we see them lift Brutes and throw them (sometimes with one hand) and these brutes weigh in about 1,000+ Lbs in armor, similar weights to that of an average Astartes in armor. SPEED: A lot of people, again, state that Space marines are far faster than Spartans, but its alot closer than what people like to believe. Space marines do have more consistent feats of being able to sprint faster, but Spartans have been able to show the same amount of speed before. And as for reaction times, Spartans have consistently been shown to have a better reaction time, being able to dodge mach 10 projectiles and other projectiles point blank. DURABILITY: Although Spacemarines are really durable, I also believe Spartans are as well. During Master Chief's training with the Mark IV he was getting open fired upon by a Sparrow Hawk, 50mm rounds and it wasnt able to get through the energy shielding, he described it as "getting hit with peas". They have also been known to survive getting get with plasma mortors from Covenant wraith tanks, which are known for have a 20 meter kill radius and flash melting anything it came into contact with including the ground. And there is a lot more to talk about as well but I just think those are major things that get looked over.
The Lamenters know what they did… or rather didn’t do. The beatings shall continue till morale improves! Great video as always, I’m looking forward to more content!
Were you counting those gadgets that Mjolnir has in the games? Because if that's counting, it could catch a lot of Astartes by surprise, and the chief would definitely take advantage of that.
@@MacroLore gen 3 has built in camo grapple hook and thruster that apart of his armour if you have to restrict chief then we already know the space marines lost
3:30 the bolt pistol is basically just a bigger Halo CE Magnum. The ammunition works exactly the same hence halo's SAPHE (Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive) also at 5:19 you say spartans cant fight in vaccum. But Jun does exactly that after losing his helmet, and hes a Spartan 3
How the different classes of space marines would do against the different classes of forerunner armour/soldiers would be more even fight but that in mind i feel like it would be mostly speculative on the forerunner's side. But its funny that chiefs armour is basically a hazmat suit to the forerunner 💀
Master chief in lore has cannon plot armor so nothing can kill him because he's just too lucky the only way to beat him is to somehow best him in combat and not threaten his life because he's just that lucky in cannon. He flipped a coin ten times and it landed on heads every time because someone made a bet against him. If the Emperor a cramp causing the astronomicon to malfunction was the only way for him to live it will happen at the perfect moment for him because he's so lucky in cannon that it's completely unfair. He's also faster than a Missal which is faster than sound which is a lot faster than a space marine can ever hope to be. We know this because in one of the halo novels he slapped a Missal that was going towards him and made it miss him completely he also saw it moving in slow motion. And in warhammer 40k space marines get killed by Missals consistently because there not fast enough to escape the impact so they can't even land a hit on him Ingles they got lucky or surprised him which only the raven guard would do. (Warhammer is my favorite science fiction universe but I also have acknowledge that other stories have more powerful caricatures or wepons.) Now that's enough yapping out of me have a good day.
@@bodenleezy1039 I'm going to ignore the horrendous spelling and the questionable missile feat, and instead focus on one thing that actually tangibly makes Chief both cooler and overall stronger. The coin flip feat wasn't a luck feat and it didn't land on heads 10 times. He accurately called it in the air 10 separate times by watching the coin flip and predicting how it will land. He still loses to most Astartes, but it is surprisingly close. Death guard post heresy absolutely body him by existing though. Stinky boys.
@@Xios_Angelis another feat Master chief has under his belt is the fact that saw a missile heading towards him then slapped it to the side and continued on like it was nothing. Also modern missiles Wich are inferior to the one in this example move at utterly absurd speeds. And since space marines don't think faster because none of there gene seed augmentations accelerate there thinking that means that whenever a named astartes moves at insane speeds they can't perceive what's happening until they slow down. And fun fact it is stated in lore is that plasma weapons in Warhammer are as hot as a small. Star that means you can measure the temperature which equates to 5,000 degrees Celsius. Wich is colder than halo plasma weapons Wich are 5,500 degrees Celsius. And because we know that Warhammer plasma weapons will kill a space marine in one shot in lore that means halo plasma weapons Wich are a strand infantry weapon that are super reliable can do the same. Also Spartans don't engage in fair fights ever. Finally the master chief while an extremely well-rounded person is by Spartan standards below average in everything.
@@bodenleezy1039 Firstly, get a dictionary. Seriously. Or at least use spell check. Second, since he slapped said missile aside, I assume it was a shoulder mounted system, likely the SPNKR Rocket Launcher used in games? Those kinds of missiles do move significantly slower than the absurdly fast missiles you are referring to. Third, the general augments that increase body growth as well as the several brain implants increase brain activity. Fourth, the star temperature is misleading, as you used surface temperature. Internal temps get much higher, and without clarification we can't quite tell specifics. Fifth, a lot of space marines don't engage in fair fights either. Sixth, John-117 is actually slightly above average in most categories, even being second best in many things.
@@Xios_Angelis First most words I use I have only used in verbal conversations and have never actually seen the proper spelling of. Second we don't have to agree on things. Third the missiles in game are slower than in lore because it wouldn't be fun to get killed by something that you can't see. Fourth it States word for word surface of a small sun but even if they meant the core it would only be an extra 500 degrees. Finally the only Gene seed organs they put in a space marines brain are ones that release hormones that make them bigger. And one that allows them to rest only part of their brain like a dolphin. (Also I appreciate the fact that you're being civilized about a disagreement.)
This honestly the most fair take I’ve come across and it makes sense against loyalist legions chief would have a very hard time but against traitor legions he’d do good by using their arrogance against them
Yeah but they’re arrogant for a reason, being immortal and juiced up on Chaos roids will give you that him movement. The hubris is them getting caught in a trap of some kind but in a 1v1 arena being a 10,000 year old veteran and overpowering opponents is right up their alley.
@@sercravenmohead3631 experience don’t do much when a firewarrior with a rail gun or pulse rifle can one shot. A fire warrior is inferior to a guardmen
Also how is MC piercing SM armor? If he’s using standard UNSC loadout versus standard SM loadout he can’t even hope to damage any of these SM chapters. UNSC rifles use 7.62mmAP which would just bounce, Imperial Guard Lasguns are automatic recoiless energy beans that cause dismemberment which puts their kinetic force comparable to .50cal and those don’t do anything to SM armor. The only times they score SM kills if you set them to max setting which is like a 20mm cannon shooting them in the weak spots. SM armor is made out of Adamantium which is stated to be stronger than Titanium, and it’s coated in Ceramite to disperse energy weapons like plasma. MC would need the Spartan Laser with tons of energy packs or rocket launcher with a bunch of ammo to get the job done.
Vulkan didn’t have his armor on though and he was able to regenerate also marines are now capable of orbital insertion thanks to the mark x gravis armor
Six had armor,shield,jetpack and still broke his arm,other spartan II wearing mk v fell of a pelican at terminal velocity and died,chief was knock out by the same fall despite having a forerunner debris to shield himself,vulkan was naked
Curious; what'd happen if instead of making just Chief battle solo, we gave him the support of a chapter sized force of Spartans (IIs, IIIs, and IVs generations at full chapter strength (1,000) or diversify it 50 IIs, 350 IIIs, and 600 IVs)
So I am bored at work so I'm now gunna pitch in and give my opinion on this. I'm not criticizing your video, I get where a lot of your assumptions come from tbh and agree that some space marines would do much better than others. That said, from what I know about the lore from each universe as a whole I would say that basically any space marines that aren't named characters or psychera do not win against not only chief, but against Spartan 2s generally. And I'm not talking out of my ass as someone who has read at least 60 Warhammer books and almost all the Halo Novels. The advantages of an Astartes are basically weaponry, physical durability and endurance (not their armor), and melee skill. They are outmatched by spartan 2s in most other ways. And while some characters and instances could be pointed to to dispute that, it is generally true. Space marines show a lot more variation than S2s. And I'd say that's not really a flaw but mostly down to the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of them minimum at any point in 40k's history. Not every on is gunna be fuckin Dante, Tiberos, or papa smurf. It would be like arguing every guardsman is fuckin Ramb- I mean Sly Marbo. It's just not true, and I'd say that most Spartan-2s, even in the older books are far closer to the peak skill of what they can be compared to an Astartes. For space marines it usually not a matter of physicality, but skill. Garviel Lokan doesn't kill dozens if not hundreds of marines during the siege of Terra because he's faster or stronger. He does it because he's a more skilled combatant and to be blunt, because he's luckier than them. But to b3 honest, while they are supposed to be the best of the best, most space marines who die in the books die like fuckin stormtroopers. And while that might be a writing problem, the Spartans don't have that complex outside of the first three books. And speaking of that, after the Fall of Reach, the Flood, and First Strike, Halo authors tend to make spartans fuckin tanks as they should be. Even when wearing the MK IV in Halo Silent Storm, spiker rounds and plasma hits do not incapacitate spartans. And even direct hits don't kill them anymore. In Battle Born a Spartan 3 eats a hunter shot to the leg and is still able to fight. Mjolnir is portrayed to be just as tanks as Ceramite without shields. And I don't think it's because they nerfed covie weapons. Plasma rifles still cut trees in half. And again, for speed and strength Spartans are comparable. Reaction time wise I'd even go as far to say that their just flat out better. I'd agree marines would win if you gave each side their own respective weapons only though. A bolt rifle alone is better than almost all UNSC guns. But if the argument is feats with same guns? Then fuck no. The main advantage marines have that actually matters is their weapons. And your argument is fair fight and they still win, I just don't see it. That said it's closing time. Hope u enjoyed my hot cake :)
Same. I see Spartans as the perfect soldiers, while Astartes are near perfect warriors. A bulky Swiss Army knife with bells and whistles, vs a scalpel.
I’m suprised no one brings this up but iron halos vs mjlonir shielding the marines iron halo wins due to being able to withstand extended auto cannon bursts , lascannons which are equal to anti tank Spartan lasers , and missiles of all kinds .
People on this comment section who think Spartans can beat astartes are ither never read a book, assume from biases source or wank beyond reason Spartans aren't on space marine level Other than genetic augmentation astartes have better from spartans and having way dangerous enemies than spartans The main difference between the two is spartan were created originaly to stop human rioters were as space marine were designed for conquest and war.
I think a lot of the issue with the comparisons is that it's 2 completely different roles. Spartans are precise tools, fast and sharp Astartes can be a precise tool, but the way they are shown 90% of the time is as a blunt object. Plus with all that bulk and all that extra weight we get the illusion of an easier target or a slower target. All in all, one was just meant to be a super soldier. One was meant to be the best super soldiers to ever super soldier
@@MacroLore exept Spartans role was small were as astartes was bigger And the fact that most of time they fight in meele is ither they run out of ammo or were in close And besides spartans doesn't fight main as meele because their role is espionage hit and run Space marine were designed for literally war Spartans didn't
@@MacroLore and Spartans 2 didn't almost all died? Just like Spartans 3 4 were mostly people on suit with some genetic enchanted And most of Spartans aren't created as many nor as fast
@@MacroLore so in the end space marine are stronger than spartans But it is bad thing no In fact I like story were Unsc react to how f up Iom is and how devastating space marine are But it won't happen since Unsc get beaten by Astra militarum
I dissagree because your only argument is they fight bigger enemy so they won and there are more which is not a good argument at all to astartes beats spartans (They dont)
The way I see it, Spartan IIs aren't so much faster than Space Marines, but a hole fuck of a lot more agile. Space Marine armor is insanely bulky and restrictive in movement compared to Mjolnir, and because of that, Spartans can pull off things that SMs just can't. Think Spartan vs Hunter, the Hunter is a hell of a lot stronger but they move in slow motion by comparision.
I’d say it’s a close match in favor of the space marine if it’s not a even match. In terms of capabilities their pretty much matched and weaponry isn’t gonna be that big of a difference neither space marine or spartan armor is impenetrable.
People don't know that space marines are not just strong but extremely agile, unlike master chief, astarte have an organ that connect their nervous system to their Armour, they literally feel naked all the time, even their enemies say: "something that big shouldn't be that fast"
You're showing that you don't know the lore of Halo's Spartans. They're more agile and faster than the Space Marines, and they do have augmentations that link their thoughts to the armor, and that drastically increase their intelligence and thinking speed.
@@BasadoAnonimo Or being "like a second skin" is a common phrase that's used in fiction to describe how well an armor is designed. Space marines is a genre of science fiction that long predates Warhammer 40k, and a lot of the tropes that are shared between 40k and other franchises are just the tropes of that genre, not the other franchises "copying" 40k.
Honestly, i dont think Chief would lose because he has canonical plot armor and survived falling from orbit just because he was lucky. To put it in terms of fallout, he has 10 luck and maxed out on all luck perks. I know this is just a spartan vs. space marine, and i would agree that spartans are not going far well against most marines, but master chief would win just because he is lucky
Chief should win every fight, no matter who what when or where. He has something that very few characters in media have. Luck... Better known as plot armor.
can i introduce you to the ultramarines aliias one how destroyed a shard of a GOD another killed like 14 greater demons who would make you either insane by looking at them or give you space cancer you cant cure normal then we we have someone how survived direct contact to hell another one i just say i cato sicarius
Space marine lore feats for newcomers From the book angels of fire- marines rip durasteel hatches off of tanks as if they were paper From the book flesh and iron- a marine scout lifts a tree trunk off a dead disciple which weighs 1,000 lbs with barely any strain From the book blood gorgons- a space marine slaps and kills 400lb man sending him flying across the room into a group of people. From the books nightbringer and beneath the flesh- marines armor can tank heavy auto cannon rounds From the books legion of the damned and beneath the flesh - frag grenades are a mere inconvenience to marine armor From the book legion of the damned- astartes can run through walls From the book thousand sons and the ultramarines movie- astartes can fight for weeks on end From the book void stalker- marine survives wound that leaves half his face burned off with a missing eye From the book legion of the damned - marine gets run over by a black legion land raider only to get back up and continue fighting From the book gildar rift-marine losing arm is an inconvenience From the book fallen angel- marine gets cut in half below the waist and survives to continue returning fire to his attacker .
Astartes vs Spartans is the lions vs tigers of the sci fi world basically superior biology (astartes) vs superior tech (Spartans) both super soldiers are very capable of killing each other .
Well, if you want to bring factions into the fray, it would be Spartans vs astartes but they would also have all the other allied factions on their side. The UNSC vs Imperial Guard for instance. Even the Guard would absolutely demolish the UNSC.
What loadout are you giving Master Chief? Standard UNSC weapons like the M85 assault rifle only used 7.62mm AP, that’s just gonna bounce off the Space Marines Adamantium plate armor, the only thing viable in this matchup is the Spartan Laser or the rocket launcher but that’s not a guaranteed kill tbh. SM armor bounces Lasgun fire and those are stated to have kinetic power of .50cal and those are fully automatic and recoiless, if you wanted to score a kill with a lasgun you’d need to max the setting which is comparable to a 20mm cannon and shoot the weak spots like under the neck for a decapitation. Chief is gonna lose pretty much all of these because he can’t even pierce the armor, he’d have to disarm the SM some how which puts him in range of glorious melee combat in which he would lose. Note: Adamantium in 40k is known as the hardest metal alloy known to man and it’s not on our periodic table therefore making it harder than Titanium.
i know they say it’s 7.62x51 but like.. no it just isnt like thats so fucking dumb i just say that its incorrect lmao not that 7.62 nato is a weak round but at the very least for the lore to make a lick of sense you must assume that the propellant, metallurgy of the case and projectile design are not at all similar to what we think of as .308 today. Like the way i imagine it is that these rounds are going much faster, with far more penetrative and ballistic capabilities. like how the pistol rounds are supposed to be kinda like bolter ammunition, they explode after penetration.
@@SmokesKwazukii Still can't do any damage to space marine armor, Even bolters can be deflected by space marine armor let alone shit unsc weapons Which can't be penetrated brute.
ok, this idea that the community HATES the Lamenters is a bizarre one to me. Feels bad about them? yeah, definitely. Hates them? no more than chapters like the salamanders or crimson fists. i have never encountered anyone hating on the Lamenters for being Lamenters. now, i know some folks who hate space marines in general, but even then i haven't seen even them diss the Lamenters or even salas...
@@Darkangelnum1 yeah. But they’re also the only legion that would stop at the sight of another human. The salamanders are the most human of the space marines. Comparable to the Spartans in halo
Just want to point out that bolter rounds are .75 caliber, which is around the size of a 12 gauge shotgun shell, not a Monster can. This is something people get wrong quite a lot.
Let me guess are you even familiar with spartan lore and calcs from the books cause they shit on most space marines chief can generate punches equal to 72 tons Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force. In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch: t = d/v t = 1/30 = .033• About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive. Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following: F = ma = (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06) F = 720,000N Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy.
generally S2 (gen 3 armor) VS SM (Mark 7 Armor) are like this SM take on Endurance Stamina Weapons Experience S2 better at Speed Agility Equipment Adaptability Both tie in or has extreme close Strength (more to sm due to higher endurance & depending on chapter) Durability (more to S2 due to charging shields) Accuracy (more to S2 due to gaps in sm mk 7 armor) Reaction time (more to sm due to experience) first match an s2 with br vs sm with bolter will likely end with s2 dead but with few bullets in sm neck which he may end dead later if there is no apothecaries close to him or it will end with 1/10 for s2 - 4/10 for sm - 5/10 both of them dying. MEANWHILE second match S2 With Bolter VS SM with Bolter will likely end with s2 winning more then the sm due to s2 ability to take down the sm with 1 to 3 shots due to targeting the head. 6/10 for s2 - 3/10 both of them die - 1/10 for sm third match both fist fight, 8/10 for sm - 2/10 both die fourth match both with their own dagger, 7/10 for sm - 2/10 both die - 1/10 for s2 fifth match energy sword vs power sword, 5/10 for sm - 3/10 both die - 2/10 for s2 due to energy sword likely melting astartes 2 hearts with stab or delivering higher level of damage to the neck or head or 10/50 for S2 - 15/50 for a tie - 25 for SM
Do space marines have any sensors in their armor ? Because they cant really look down. They have giant blind spots because their armor is so bulky. Some Space Marines can't even look behind them because of their giant "backpacks". Their pauldrons are also so big that they don't have full range of motion with their arms. I think chief could use his superior mobility, Motion tracker and cortana to his advantage. I also think chiefe is the faster runner. He could basically out maneuver most space marines while they would be to bulky to fit through many of the smaller spaces on Rust. Im not well versed in 40k. Im not saying chief would win all the time. But i think his nimbleness and speed would come in handy when fighting the bulky boys.
@@MacroLore I'm still not entirely sure you Lorecrimes and Pancreasnowork are not the same person I have a sneaking suspicion there is alpharius Shenanigans going on here
Music is to loud. It turns an enjoyable video into a painful crawl trying to block out the overly loud music to hear your speech and gather the information. It turns it into a frustrating chore... at best... i cant finish the video. :/
Spartans by the time of Halo Infinite would actually rock the shit out of most astartes and Im just not talking spartan 2s or 3s, 4s in game "context" and in the books have feats that flat are insane, hell in halo 5s through the marketing and campaign the spartans are already capable of feats that would make astartes struggle in countering.
@@IAmAlpharius20 Brutes are not slow in lore, their homeplanet Dosaic is stated to be a higher gravity planet with hostile nuclear widlife, infinite he was caught of guard.
@@Gotnothingatall "Brutes aren't slow" then why do ODSTS kill them in fistfights? He wasn't caught off guard. He go beat down plain and simple. It's okay to lose lil bro
@IAmAlpharius20 They usually dont? And in 3 ODST, it took the whole group to kill the one guy albeit a chieftain who was kinda lumbering around with the whole big slow swings and they lost one guy almost immediately despite knowing a phantoms dropping something in and one was wounded and almost got decapitated. Like in an active warzone you usually cant do that unless you have enough space. The grace with Brutes is that they are usually bloodthirsty almost to the point of stupid, basically angry monkes, that they can be usually dealt with other means like ranged weaponry. Atriox was like supposed to be scary because he isnt as angry monke smash as the others though it isnt as clear because of 343's writing.
I feel like if the Salamanders would 100% join the UNSC given the opportunity: An Human government that is not 100% bad and gives autonomy to planets (if you pay taxes that is), sign me in! Specially with the UNSC propaganda that is more hopefull and lighthearted (We will defeat the bad aliens :) ), than Imperium propaganda that is "do what emperor says or die".
Eeem the grave mind was attacking cheif psycicly not by sound plus i think u forgot about spartans resourcefulness, plus in a war humanity in halo could reverse engineer any warhammer tec. Also any melee space marine would literally lose cheif just has to keep distance. But yah overall spartans would have too much trouble with space marines
Ngl this whole matchup is an interesting idea but it feels like i'm watching a death battle episode without the fun fight animation. On top of that, everything felt pretty boring to listen since most of the time it felt like you put more thought into how a space marine wins rather than how an actual interaction between the two combatants would occur. For instance, the emperor's children. They win because they're master duelists? Ok, so what are they dueling with? All you gave them was a bolter so i'm not sure how that applies anywhere to the act of dueling unless you're trying to say that applies to like pistol dueling when two guys just stood infront of each other and tried to see who could shoot first. Or the deathguard. Yeah they're tanky, but you make it sound like MC would just stand around like a sitting duck, unload into them, then just continue standing there while the death guard approaches and kills them. In reality MC would be slippery as can be, staying away from them easily thanks to them being so slow. On top of those, it feels like you heavily gimped Master Chief since you kept him in his first game armor (his weakest armor), didn't let him have cortana which is part of his kit in nearly every game with AI being almost standardized for all spartans by this point and you didn't let him use any form of weapon from his own universe. Like yeah human weapons probably won't be super effective, but covenant weapons and such would make the fight way more interesting. All in all, this vid feels more like a quick way to get views rather than something you're actually passionate about making.
This is all wrong. Lets get some stats in. Space Marines - 7 - 8 feet tall. about 300+lbs can run 35 - 45 mph with armor. Master Chief 6'10. 285lbs and can run 60mph because Mjolner augments his natural speed (as a teenager could run 34mph cannon without armor). It's basically a fight between Chief and your average Sangheili and a Primaries would be equivalent to your average Arbiter. Custodes would be like a bunch of Atriox. Master Chief may not be as physically strong as your average space marine but he is close and has the more agile and faster frame. In combat situations speed, agility, is a huge factor. I've ran the simulations through AI. Master Chief takes your average space marine however if it's a battle of attrition Master Chief could be overpowered but still due to adaptability, and tactically Chief wins. That's without Cortana. Against your average Primaries. It's extremely close but primaries has the advantage due to superior physical enhancements and fire power but Chief still has his speed advantage. Again ran it through AI. That's chiefs limits into winning by himself. WIth CORTANA Chief wins. Against Custodes... Chief doesn't stand a chance even with Cortana.
@@Redsiix I follow the biggest Hispanic nerd of Warhammer, I forgot what he said about their sprint. But I know that their reflexes and mobility is better due to their enhanced anatomy and connection with their armor, making then unnaturally agile.
@@BasadoAnonimo Spartans don't feel the weight of their armor, which greatly enhances their speed and reflexes. They're not hindered by its presence, they feel its absence. If you want to say Space Marines are faster, please provide a canonical citation (novel title, page number, quotation of relevant passage). That verifies the claim, whereas repeating other fans' claims does not, because most of what 40k fans say about 40k's lore is only partially true at best, as it's gone through a long game of telephone, getting a bit more exaggerated with each passing (you, yourself are citing other fans, not the actual lore).
Are we talking pre-woke astartes or current GW agenda pushing astartes? I'm still going to put my money on 117. Chief has the upper hand in some areas, such as speed and defensive equipment. With that said, a bolter would really mess up his day!
So i dont know jack shit about the 40K universe but having watched your videos about how the flood and the covenant and the forerunners would fare in fights against various 40k factions, i am sensing a severe devaluation of Spartan-II John-117's hyperlethal Army-defeating capabilities here. If the Forerunners and the flood and a big enough Covenant fleet can challenge the Astartes or the Imperial Legion on a large scale, which you seem to believe they can, then i think it stands to reason humanity's near invulnerable defender Master Chief could be capable of 1v1ing any of the marines that are a part of said Imperial Navy, considering he single handedly defeats the most battlehardend squads of elite combatants from these same factions on the regular. Master Chief nearly single handedly defeated entire covenant fleet detachments, survived and eradicated swarms of flood, and regularly defeats foes in martial combat that seem to be about as powerful as any of these Space Marines based on how ive seen you analyze them in your videos (consider Brute Chieftains, Atriox and Tartaras, Mgalekgolo battle pairs, squads of elite Zealots, Ultras, and Generals, 343 Guilty Spark, multiple Scarab battle platforms simultaneously, Promethean Knights, the Ur-Didact himfuckingself, a Promethean war criminal and telepathic technodemon with dominion over ancient armies of robot people, Cortana's bipolar ass, etc. etc.) He has the mark of the Reclaimer, he has a CANONNICAL protagonist plot armor level of "luck", and a highly advanced AI, Cortana, who is known to enhance his already superhuman reaction speeds and tactical planning skills by tenfold or more. I mean he is the main character for a reason, and that should count for something imo. His armor is probably a lot stronger than you make it seem and the enhanced energy shields he utilizes since the integration of Covenant shielding technology are certainly a multiplying factor to his survivability (remember that they can be quickly recharged, meaning as long as he doesn't take a monumental amount of damage all at once, he is essentially invulnerable in a prolonged fight. He is not a typical Frontline grunt, he can and will actively escape the fight if he is losing and redevelop his battle plan) Even I we want to say Master Chief is not as strong or resilient as these elite Legionnaires, I am almost certain they could not hope to match his speed and reaction times, nor his tactical processing power since it is governed by an AI capable of operating an entire battlecruiser and overwhelming even completely alien cyber security in a matter of seconds (not to mention enduring the dreaded "Logic Plague" of the Gravemind, pretty much the scariest weapon known in the Halo Universe) The canonical Chief we play as in the Halo video games is also not even half as devastatingly lethal as the canon character from the books- Jackal snipers being able to take him out in one shot is preposterous fiction implemented for the sake of gameplay function. Chief is much harder to hit and kill than the rudimentary approximation that we gamers attempt to play as in the games. Just like the other spartan-IIs he is a nuclear powered war machine (literally) that cost more to create than a small fleet of battleships. And he is the best among those insanely OP Spartans by a significant margin. Again, i really dont know enough about the space marines or 40k in general to make specific comparisons, but as far as i can tell there are millions of replacable legionnaires in the Imperial Navy, whereas there is only 1 Master Chief. He is not only cyborg-level powerful, and hyper lethal, but he is also a tactical genius- there is no enemy that can defeat him with sheer strength or combat skill alone with his enhanced capabilities, regenerative shielding, and literal supercomputer processing capacity. If he can defeat the covenant, the Banished, the Flood, and the Prometheans, and save humanity on a daily basis essentially by himself (plus Cortana, the Arbiter, and cameos from Sgt Johnson, and a couple ODSTs) i think he can 1v1 even the best 40k can throw at him. Yes I'm a fan boy for Halo and Master Chief. Yes I know I'm biased and uneducated in regards to 40K. But having watched YOUR other videos about the comparisons between these universes I just sensed a very strange imbalance in regards to the Halo Universe's canonically most deadly warrior when comparing him to these other guys that aren't even the main character or the strongest fighters in their own world. You seem to think Halo's biggest threats generally outclass those of 40k, so considering Master Chief has demonstrated his domination over those exact same threats already, I was honestly taken aback by how little comprehension (or perhaps faith for the 40K fans) you seem to have in his unstoppable combat prowess. He IS the best known warrior in a Universe of extremely dangerous warriors, so I think he deserves more credit than this. Maybe I'm wrong but if there's one mfer that deserves the utmost respect it's the savior of Humanity and the harbinger of the era of console FPS gaming, Master Chief. TLDR: Chief needs more credit for defeating 4+ different galaxy spanning threats to humanity and having a literal supercomputer artificial intelligence and infinitely regenerative energy shields keeping him alive. Not to mention- he is quite lucky if you haven't heard. If you realy want to claim the Imperial Elites are this martially capable, then i think you need to reevaluate the contradictory analyses in your other videos about how they would fare against the existential threats Master chief has already defeated in his Universe. The bias towards 40K is evident in your other videos but this one the most ive seen by far. Still quite entertaining though, so good job.
Largely accurate. When you get past the hyperbole, 40k's level of power is somewhat typical among the whole of science fiction. And Master Chief's abilities combines those of a Vindicare Assassin with those of a Space Marine.
I agree it’s hard to put chief against another factions super soldiers like 40k because they also have lots of characters with plot armor. A named space marine is so wildly inconsistent in their powers and abilities
Space Marine deflecting Bullet at close range with a knife. Deflecting a hypersonic bolter round with a combat knife: Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks. Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232.
@@MacroLore Space marine Deflecting a hypersonic round with a combat knife: Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks. Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232.
@@MacroLore -Captain Argel Tal reacts to fully-automatic bolter hypersonic rounds fire slicing the rounds apart. He pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear’s underslung bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full-auto. Argel Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the primarch’s heart. The explosions threw the captain to the ground, his grey armour scraping along the stone with the shriek of offended ceramite. - The First Heretic: Fall to Chaos -A Space Marine's speed is so superhuman that it creates a effect called Transhuman Dread: Age Of Darkness Page 163 -Covering half a dozen meters in one pace: “'Disperse!' bellowed Astelan, sprinting to his right. His power armour took him across the ground in huge leaps, covering half a dozen metres with every pace. -Tales Of Heresy Page 304 /thanks for noticing men appreciate it.
I largely agree. Chief is going to beat anyone that isn’t wearing a red helmet, no helmet, or a mask of a primarch. Anyone else doesn’t have the plot armor
I don’t see that as fair to a salamander fr I mean chiefs armor is augmented to his specifications chiefs gear is his preferred gear why can’t the salamander use a combo bolter which they often do and not mention the salamanders are the largest and physically strongest marines and are often depicted as incredibly durable like the death guard I think a salamander is one of the hardest fights out the legions mainly just because if the salamander got ahold of cheif he honestly could probably crush moljnir with cheif in it salamanders are no joke that’s like the only one I disagree with but yeah if we give the sally what cheif would encounter them with cheif would probably get one shotted by a melta pistol or manhandled in hand to hand it would be like a wrestling match between big show on steroids and ray mysterio if it wasn’t scripted
First off, you stuck all of the Traitor Astartes in Mark X? Please excuse me while I hurl. Second, stop reading the absolute garbage about the 8th Legion that Guy Haley pumps out. Dude hates the 8th, and will go to full lengths to make them look bad. Read the ADB stuff.
Also bro you forgot astates are vunrable to emp ect gen 3 armour has built in grapple hook that can cause emp effect he can stun and go for the kill if any come in close for melee. Gen 3 also has built in camo aswell as some thrust pack boosters.
Most people fail to mention that a baseline human in 40k is weaker than one in real life and you have to scale the whole setting accordingly. Like a Leman Russ has a fifth of the armor of an M1 Abrams. Outside of numerics most modern militaries could dogwalk the imperium in even fights they have regressed so far technologically. Yes infantry don't carry heavy enough weapons to deal with space marines on an individual level but they're so comparatively rare it's more like encountering an IFV than an enemy solder. Bolter rounds are overestimated by many, they're 20mm grenades with a secondary propulsion stage (basically 40mm HEDP but scaled down a good bit). They'd probably be good for taking chunking members of the swarms of combatants normally found in 40k but are not really a practical choice if you want to extrapolate to real life or equalize to another setting. Spartans also think about twice as fast as Space Marines and move better, even if their straight line sprints are comparable. The big thing that stands out to me is how worthless armor is in 40k. This is mostly due to it being written by clueless brits who don't have any idea how weapons or fighting works.
The best way to think of 40k. Is a species that has technology but no way of inventing anything. They don’t have the correct tools for the job 95% of the time but if you hit something with a hammer hard enough it will end up working eventually. Not properly or pretty but it will get done
I don’t even see the Astartes vs Spartans as a question anymore. Because Spartans are the answer to the Space Marine. Where one is a big knife with a cleaver like blade that can be used as a hammer, for cutting, stabbing, prying, and etc with all its augments and specializations. The other is a scalpel, with its entire purpose being specialized and refined. All of the Spartans augments and armor gives them an edge, even their size, as in an engagement with weapons that can pierce through ceramite(which most UNSC weapons with AP rounds can) its all about getting shots on target. The neuro augments really giving them the edge as well the how OP energy shields would be. Granted I don’t think Spartans do well in the 40k setting, but against Space marines, they’re a tier above.
Astartes are superior in almost every facit though? Better equipment, better augmentations, better training, better experience, fight much deadlier enemies, faster in both reaction time and speed, more endurance and more durable etc. Master cheif has the reaction time of 0.02 seconds Astartes reaction time is in the nano seconds, I'd link the source but youtube doesn't let me. Just look it up on google, Master chiefs only advantages in this fight are his luck and AI. That's it, if you put him against a named plot driven character he loses his luck advantage. He loses 8/10 times to a random no named Astartes from sheer luck and AI advantage. And he loses 10/10 times to a named Astartes. People need to remember the average age of battle line Astartes are centuries of years old, fighting in one of if not the most gruelling and deadly universe in fiction.
@@NastyStankyChicken The ridiculous nanosecond reaction feat you’re talking about is from a Custodes, not a space marine. There augments make them stronger and more durable than a Spartan but there is no augment that specifically increases there neurons to make them react faster(although they do have better reaction times than humans), unlike the Spartans where they’re pretty much built around that augment. A space marine is nothing but a massive target to a Spartan, and where silhouettes are the name of the game in actual combat, that’s an extreme disadvantage to being shot. Also the named space marine thing is true, and that’s usually GW making shit up to make them standout where they become a Sayan tier character fi no damn reason. The age of an astartes honestly seems more like a weakness to me. An immortal warrior who sees themselves as able to live forever, has everything to lose, but the Spartans knows they’ll die before they make it to 30. I think people severely underestimate Spartans and the way GW writers are inconsistent as hell makes space marines a hard topic to argue.
@@romannumeralvii4285 No the nano second feat is Astartes search up Castus ultramarine or go to the vs battles wiki and look up space marines a go to the speed section. Castus processes the battle field and tactical data in nanoseconds.
@@romannumeralvii4285 No the nano second feat is astartes, look up Castus from the Ultramarines the quote was "Analysing and aprasing tactical data in nanoseconds." All while he was having a chat with an admiral and in the middle of a battle.
@@NastyStankyChicken OH THAT. But that’s not reaction time battle brother, that’s just processing. Which we see Spartans able to do as well in the middle of combat.
i think chief would actually kill a space marine 1v1 most of the time. Lore wise he is extremely fast, i know space marines are supposed to be as well but idk i just dont see it. i think Chief out maneuvers them.
Actually Astartes are incredibly fast. In fact there even something called “trans-human dread” which can be caused when a regular human sees an astartes run because their brain can’t process how something so large is moving so fast.
I gotta say man. I completely disagree. On paper, a Spartan is 10x faster and 10x more accurate than a Space Marine. Hand Chief a Magnum and watch Him keyhole eye slits all day
I feel your having to nerf space marines just to give masterchief a shot at winning the fight, fully equipped on both sides spartan with a sniper rifle or spartan laser with a plasma sword would still be a gritty fight against a standard boltgun and combat knife for an astartes because an astartes has probably fought many opponents including demons that can move faster than them and are almost impervious to bolter fire and will only be killed/banished in melee combat. based on combat prowess alone an astartes has been rocking hard for hundreds of years where as masterchief is a child by comparison and wouldn't know when he can tank a hit just to pin your opponent for a killing blow, evasion is a spartans bread and butter an you can only run for so long.
@@supremercommonder the only abilities to really trouble a space marine would be in my opinion, active camo and the shield over charge or speed boost the rest would likely be the equivalent of a party popper spraying confetti, emp might slow the astates down but wont stop him and I'm certain using a jetpack would be clay shooting for an astartes unfortunately for the spartan in question.
@@nachomarine1628 chief in general 3 tanks a 400 ton explosion that sends him 15 meters in the air in shadow of reach. Nothing a astates does is matching that and his shield recharge in seconds
@@supremercommonder the shield is more or less the only thing keeping an astartes gauntlet from ploughing out the back the skull of a spartan, once you get past it the guy will be a ketchup sachet waiting to be smushed in a split second, sure the suit can handle re-entry and has impact reducing qualities with gel and locking mechanisms but wouldn't take a concentrated strike, the suit might be fine the guy inside might not especially as elites, brutes and goliaths can kill a spartan with sheer strength/fire power so would be child's play for an astartes.
@@nachomarine1628 They can’t not in the books I can give you many examples of chief misting elite and destroying there skeletal structures. Master chief has feats of punching at 72 tons without no gauntlet which is not standard gear he uppercutting a space marine head of Master Chief's Banshee punch has interesting implications of the force, energy, and speed delivered by John in the novel. Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force. In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch: t = d/v t = 1/30 = .033• About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive. Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following: F = ma = (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06) F = 720,000N Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy.
as long as Chief has a weapon capable of piercing ceramite and its not a named character or some librarian with some weird esoteric hax who are way stronger than the average marine, he stomps, physically stronger, more durable due to energy shielding, physically faster in both reaction time and physical movement etc. he does actually have SOME mind hax resistance due to the Graveminds messages in Halo 3 with the Promoridial in the Forerunner trilogy just talking to Ancient Humans caused them to kill themselves so its not an alien concept in Halo entirely Then there's the tech advantage with Chief having advanced active camouflage, wall hax, motion tracker, built in jetpack, grapple hook with electroshock capabilities, an AI for combat analytics and cyberwarfare etc. No only does he just outstat the average he has a lot of win cons outside of that You massively downplayed the durability of his shield its capable of tanking things that can vaporize hunters and brute chieftains and 30mm/50mm autocanon bullets those would have 2.5x to 3.5x the kinetic energy of a bolt round if anything saying hes EQUAL in durability would have been a downplay let alone half as durable this is literally just a video of you saying he loses over and over again with no real substance wheres the actual comparison of stats? skill? hax abilities? theres nothing there
Space Marines fight like Jiralhanae, and Chief trounces Jiralhanae. At best, there's some Space Marines that could probably defeat Chief, but Chief's skill set, speed, and agility would win out most of the time, as he would fight more like a Vindicare Assassin, not giving the Space Marines the chance to fight back.
@@lennardchurch8483 a space marine can run 20KPH for 6 days straight. and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor hinder their speed. and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@lennardchurch8483 a space marine can run 20KPH for 6 days straight. and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor hinder their speed. and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@Rorschach0474 Citation? Please provide the quotation, book title, and page number of the canonical source you're citing. I've debated far too many 40k fans to take any claim at face value without a citation, or personally knowing it to be accurate from my own reading. If you can provide your citation, I can provide a citation for Master Chief (who is explicitly not the fastest Spartan) running at similar speed, and dodging bullets.
Master Chief cannot dodge bullet like the matrix. surely in the book it describes dodging enemy fire moving from cover to cover and enemies actually missing. not dodging bullet like the matrix. I'm 100% sure of it I've been a fan of master chief since 2007. except for the needler weapon. and there's stupid argument that since master Chief can dodge enemy weapon as fast as speed of light it means Chief is faster than the speed of light. I know Chief he can't do that. his super soldier and an elite one at that. but chief faster than the speed of light. but can Chief dodge energy weapon yes he can! because he can sprint and enemies can miss those shots.
I kinda disagree with this video over all. People (especially warhammer fans) under value and under estimate Spartans. I'm not sure why you nerffed the Spartans as much as you did but even if we go by game play cheif is more then capable of dealing with marines. Don't forget brutes are essentially hair SpaceMarines that arnt as smart. And I'm going to say it I'm pretty sure a brute is capable of killing an armored marine
@@redamerican5830 *Diet World eaters* Yeah they’re brutal and have violent temperaments but they’re more comparable to Ogryns in physical strength and intelligence.. Space Marines are heavily armored, physically durable, intelligent, and have speed/reaction time comparable to Master Chief.
Chief vs lamenters is funny cause one is known for their luck and one for their lack of it.
It's the most unfortunate matchup of the millenia
@@MacroLore question here, how fast are the white scars since spartans (all Spartans not just 2) are faster then what showed from most astartes, (highest Space marine speed feat is 52 to 55 mph meanwhile spartans has 3 to 5 feats where they moved around 80 mph & they have higher agility due to more agile armor & inbuild thruster).
@@moonamir9708 kinda hard to answer since it varies from author to author. White scars are the fastest (loyalist) space marines by a decent margain. Some authors say normal space marines can run at 60mph comfortably. I'd wager 70mph for the theoretical top speed of a space marine.
It's important to remember that spartans and astartes are very different roles. Astartes are meant to go toe to toe with any and all galactic threats, think of astartes as a hammer.
Spartans are a chisel, or a precise drilling tool. They work best when utilized in a "shoot and scoot" manner of warfare
@@MacroLore yeah
@@moonamir9708 Bro read this if you have time.
Deflecting a hypersonic bullet with a combat knife:
Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks.
Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232.
Space Marine speed /No fatigue, Not exhausted, Zero damage body taken, normal running speed.
Their boots pounded onto the stone as they sprinted, never once looking
back. Genetically enhanced muscles bunched and moved within the fibrebundle cabling that augmented their strength, while three lungs and two hearts
worked to capacity inside their heaving chests.
Talos vaulted a pile of rocks, his boots crashing down on the other side and
never missing a stride. His eye lenses flickered runic sigils between 85 and 87 kilometers per hour. We've been running for 7 minutes
Night lord omnibus by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
/page 899.
Chief is already in green armor he would join the salamanders lol.
I feel like Chief would put up a bit more of a fight against the tankier ones, considering he 1v2's hunters for breakfast on the regular.
a space marine can run 20KPH for 20 hours straight.
and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor.
and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@Rorschach0474 yeah but according to lore the lore itself is questionable and mythicizes itself often.
@@Rorschach0474 SPartans have been said to go to 60 MPH, it's also said that Spartan's see everything "slower" their reaction time is insane
@@definitelynotcole Spartan/Master Chief lore also fluctuates, I think the latest feat Spartans have is deflecting a ballistic missile by moving it away with their hand
@@DaxterKing If we’re calling “point-blank” in and around 6 feet; a standard 9mm bullet can travel ~1300 feet in one second, then it can travel 6 feet in 6/1300 seconds. So, it will take a 9mm approximately 4.615 milliseconds to travel 6 feet, well under a Spartan’s reaction time. They’d have 0 chance of avoiding a point blank round.
Now from say, 15/20 times+ that distance? Sure they could potentially dodge it, granted they see the muzzle flash or the round is subsonic and they hear the shot first.
60km is the fastest spartan 2. not miles
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Hope you’re all like them.
They’re really good dude
@@famalam943 thank you
If Chief fought the blood ravens he’d end up in their reliquary 😂
What are you talking about? the Lamamenters are liked in the fandom.
Yeah, it’s GW that has it out for them.
@@stubbornspaceman7201 That's part of their lore, they have just bad luck.
As someone who is a lore nerd about both universes. I think in a 1v1 arena match space marines always win. They have the same reflexes, speed etc, but space marine strength is just crazy and if they are a veteran they have been alive for 100s of years of fighting. Where Spartans shine is in stuff like sabotage, assassinations, stealth, infiltration, planning and guerilla fighting. Places where you can't have a lot of people but still need to do a lot of damage. I think the chief would do very well with the Raven guard or Alpha legion.
Yeah I completely agree except space marines actually are faster in both speed and reaction times. Spartans run at a max speed of 34.2 MPH the only exception to this is Kelly-087 who is considered to be the fastest Spartan and only runs marginally faster then that. And chief has the reaction time of 20 miliseconds. Astartes on the other hand run at speeds of up to 55 MPH and have reaction times in the nanoseconds... Making them faster in both speed and reaction times by a massive margin.
@@NastyStankyChicken
I've never seen that referenced before.
Where would i find the reference showing their reaction times?
@@KalousTheGuy Here is the link to imgur ZYTAYL8 I can't attach the full thing youtube won't let me but you'll work it out.
Gen 3 already have faster cals for speed feats. Astates at range are at a disadvantage as the shield recharge in seconds. If a space marine gets close chief has build in grapple hook to get away or he can get close the grapple hook also has built in emp effect. Which will stunnlock the astartes long enough to get the kill. Also forgetting gen 3 has built in thurster pack and camo so the Raven guard isn’t going to sneak up on chief when he can camo himself.
@@NastyStankyChickenwrong chief at age 14 without mjolnir armour was at 20 milliseconds in armour with gen 1 it was 5 milliseconds. If you read latest end and death book it says custodies has 5 milliseconds. As Spartans age they get faster and stronger and with gen 3 it like a x25 boost. He much faster. Fall of Reach: According to Mendez, Spartans fresh out of augmentation at 14 with no armour could sprint in bursts up to 55kph. Kelly was said to be slightly faster. This not close to what gen 3 grown up spartan 2 do. Waypoint: Kelly’s profile says in GenII armour she can run at 65kph and maintain it. Glasslands: Makes mention of an unarmoured Spartan being able to comfortably maintain a pace of 40kph.
Lol ok it needs to be said, Jorge didn't call Halsey "mum" that's how the british pronounce "ma'am"
That’s not true, ma’am is in British English, except its pronunciation is different
The Example you used from Halo 3 in the Night Lords section doesnt work because that wasnt sound. It was a psychic attack orchestrated to confuse, taunt, and frustrate Chief and it was adopting Cortana's voice for the sake of jabbing at his guilt. Other than all that, still a slaaneshi dub, chief could buy time by cutting off all audio feed but thats a temporary solution.
I agree, even the lootbox even stated a recording to ONI about the psychic talks with Cortana.
At a steady quick pace a Space marine from a generic chapter can run at about 21Km/h and maintain this for roughly 20 hours before he starts to tire. In the Night Lords Trilogy normal marines are shown to be able to push their bodies to the limit to achieve 85Km/h while sprinting.
In the Night Lords Trilogy.
Yeah I think you're wrong about blood angels, the black rage or the red thirst don't just make them mindless beserkers. They basically power up every facit of what they already had, they don't lose any skill they just lose all self regard, as with the red thrist they become incredibly powerful and just want to devour their opponent and the black rage they have visions that their enemy is Horus. That's it, they gain so much more durability and power in both states, books repeatedly state that a marine in the black rage or the red thirst would continue fighting even with wounds that would kill another Astartes. They become even stronger, faster and more durable then they were before... Chief loses handidly if a blood angel falls to either the black rage or the red thirst.
Chief would hide, get the first few hits in with his rifle, it would do nothing, then that space marine would send 3 rounds of .75cal gyro jet explosive rounds, one misses and hits the wall while the next two hit him in the head and chest.
I should have read this first and saved time way more accurate to lore of both
"I don't need perks when I have Jesus." that line is gold lol
Iron Hands are probably the worst space marine you could possibly be forced to fight if you're another space marine. Iron Hands were basically the R&D department of space marine legions back in the crusade. If the mechanicum was about to send out a new piece of wargear or a new vehicle intended for astartes use, the Iron Hands got the first batch, conducted the field testing, worked out a lot of the kinks, and drafted tactical doctrine concerning its usage. Guilliman's codex was HEAVILY influenced by the findings of the Iron Hands in terms of the exploration of new wargear, how it was to be deployed, used and maintained. You could rock up to an Iron Hand with just about any piece of wargear in the Imperium's armories, and he'd already know how you're going to attempt to use it against him. He knows its strengths, weaknesses and specifications already. If you're an astartes and you manage to eat an Iron Hand's brain, that is, if you can pick out all the microchips and wires, its just going to be a light-speed slideshow of technical manuals. There's no implement of war you could throw at an Iron Hand that would even remotely surprise him, or that he wouldn't already know how to counter, aside from some weird bunga-wunga xenos horseshit. This is why the dropsite massacre happened. Horus was scared shitless of the Iron Hands after he found out they wouldn't be joining him, so had to use the combined strength of EIGHT traitor legions, plus numerous traitor mechanicum and exertis imperialis assets to bring down what basically amounted to abou two thirds of the Iron Hands legion, which numbered about 113000 space marines at the height of their numbers. Plus, Iron Hands are just so obscenely tough, intelligent and hard to kill that those two thirds lost on Istvaan V were pretty much all Veterans. Understandable why Horus had to round up almost the entireity of the forces under his command at that time to take them out.
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Plus chief grapple hook has emp effect iron warrior are cooked
@@supremercommonder iron hands aren’t idiots. Don’t you think that if they were going to replace their body parts with cybernetics, that the FIRST thing they’d shield them against is EMP’s? The Iron Hands have been fighting enemies that’d make chief piss himself in terror for over 10,000 years. EMP’s haven’t sent them packing yet, numerous factions easily capable of such technology have been wiped out by the Iron Hands. Look up the Fall of the Lords of Gardinaal.
@@supremercommonderthe Iron Hands have been constantly expanding their armories and technology, and cybernetically enhancing themselves, and fighting enemies that would make Chief piss himself in terror for over 10,000 years. Don’t you think that an EMP would be the FIRST thing that an Iron Hand would shield his implants and armor against? In fact, don’t you think pretty much every space marine chapter/legion would’ve done that? A space marine being unshielded against EMP’s would be a fuckup on par with throwing a flashbang grenade and forgetting to look away lol 😂😂😂
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Farsight does it to the ultramarines in one of the books and it completely disabled the marines and there other exmaple of emp disabling space marines the wank space marines fans is a joke. Chief can stung lock with grapple hook even for a bit he can literally punch at 72 tons easy.
Master Chief's Banshee punch has interesting implications of the force, energy, and speed delivered by John in the novel.
Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force.
In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch:
t = d/v
t = 1/30 = .033•
About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive.
Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following:
F = ma
= (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06)
F = 720,000N
Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy.
He punching holes in these boys
I don't think that 40k power armor is as restrictive as you say it is( I have no proof for this)
its not. astartes power armor is meant to be a 2nd skin because of the black carapace. thats why astartes are able to run so fast and be so agile.
its been made abundantly and consistently clear thru out the decades when deliberately rooted and "analytically" driven lore started, and even accross 100's of different authors that a SM's PA, because of the black carapace acts and functions EXACTLY like a "second skin", simply a "natural" extension of the wearer. And because of the arduous and painstaking full body, sub dermal surgical connection of the black carapace's array of ports and sockets DIRECTLY to the SM's entire nervous and muscular systems that the PA pieces literally plug and connect into make the 2000 pounds of ceremite literally weightless to the SM once hes fully armored and power pack switched on.
It’s not restrictive at all. The power pack and black carapace allow the space marine to move as if they don’t have any armor on at all. In a recent Ork book I read I think it was called Brutal Kunnin, an iron warrior was fighting a tech priest and was doing literal back flips and in their second fight was swinging his hammer so fast that the tech priest couldn’t react at all and couldn’t keep up
literally look at it, space marines physically cannot do a pull up
@@druid4243and Spartans wear armor bikinis 👙
I wish to add just a bit to 5:07 in the video. Spartans can also survive hostile environments without their armor we see it when Jun fights a Spartan IV that defected to the insurrection, Jun and the Spartan IV gets launched out into the vacuum of space for a time while brawling, he managed to get back inside and was brought to the infirmary where he recovered in days time.
Spartan IVs and their augmentations are also designed to survive hostile environments, as their augments are almost similar to that of a Space marine, with all their organs being replaced with synthetic ones, their new stomachs being able to process metals and toxins, their lungs being replaced so that they can naturally filter toxins and gasses that enter their system. They have an advanced blood clotting system in their blood that lets them close wounds in a matter of seconds and more.
So I truly believe that Spartans are on Par if not slightly better than your average and slightly above average space marine. I say this because psykers, and named characters just have stuff that cant really be explained all to well. Like for example the warp, or chapter masters being similar to their brothers but their experiences make them physically superior than their peers for some reason.
Just for some more information about the Spartans as well.
I feel as if a lot of these videos, do downplay Spartans or dont go into details as much as they should.
STRENGTH:
Spartan Strength for example. Its very clear that a lot of people believe that Space marines could just pick up a Spartan like a toy and ragdoll them. But I believe the same for the Spartans.
We commonly see Spartans ripping open, flipping, and destroying tanks with their bare hands. And if we want a smaller scale, we see them lift Brutes and throw them (sometimes with one hand) and these brutes weigh in about 1,000+ Lbs in armor, similar weights to that of an average Astartes in armor.
SPEED:
A lot of people, again, state that Space marines are far faster than Spartans, but its alot closer than what people like to believe.
Space marines do have more consistent feats of being able to sprint faster, but Spartans have been able to show the same amount of speed before.
And as for reaction times, Spartans have consistently been shown to have a better reaction time, being able to dodge mach 10 projectiles and other projectiles point blank.
DURABILITY:
Although Spacemarines are really durable, I also believe Spartans are as well. During Master Chief's training with the Mark IV he was getting open fired upon by a Sparrow Hawk, 50mm rounds and it wasnt able to get through the energy shielding, he described it as "getting hit with peas". They have also been known to survive getting get with plasma mortors from Covenant wraith tanks, which are known for have a 20 meter kill radius and flash melting anything it came into contact with including the ground.
And there is a lot more to talk about as well but I just think those are major things that get looked over.
The Lamenters know what they did… or rather didn’t do. The beatings shall continue till morale improves! Great video as always, I’m looking forward to more content!
The Night Lord slander in insane
you're right, but I'm mad about it lmao
No he isn't. And I totally am. 🤬
Were you counting those gadgets that Mjolnir has in the games? Because if that's counting, it could catch a lot of Astartes by surprise, and the chief would definitely take advantage of that.
No had to atandardize a lot of the gear. And of the halo infinite or halo 3 “abilities” are not allows
Just give the astartes psychic powers and even it out. Let's see if these pseudo spartan tech works against space magic.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 psychic powers isn’t evening anything out. That’s like breaking both legs of a runner instead of both using the same gear
@@MacroLorethus they are equally crippled
@@MacroLore gen 3 has built in camo grapple hook and thruster that apart of his armour if you have to restrict chief then we already know the space marines lost
3:30 the bolt pistol is basically just a bigger Halo CE Magnum. The ammunition works exactly the same hence halo's SAPHE (Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive) also at 5:19 you say spartans cant fight in vaccum. But Jun does exactly that after losing his helmet, and hes a Spartan 3
How the different classes of space marines would do against the different classes of forerunner armour/soldiers would be more even fight but that in mind i feel like it would be mostly speculative on the forerunner's side. But its funny that chiefs armour is basically a hazmat suit to the forerunner 💀
Sorry but if a Blood angel falls to the black rage Chief is done, Think you need to look a little more into what Death company marines can do,
Master chief in lore has cannon plot armor so nothing can kill him because he's just too lucky the only way to beat him is to somehow best him in combat and not threaten his life because he's just that lucky in cannon. He flipped a coin ten times and it landed on heads every time because someone made a bet against him. If the Emperor a cramp causing the astronomicon to malfunction was the only way for him to live it will happen at the perfect moment for him because he's so lucky in cannon that it's completely unfair. He's also faster than a Missal which is faster than sound which is a lot faster than a space marine can ever hope to be. We know this because in one of the halo novels he slapped a Missal that was going towards him and made it miss him completely he also saw it moving in slow motion. And in warhammer 40k space marines get killed by Missals consistently because there not fast enough to escape the impact so they can't even land a hit on him Ingles they got lucky or surprised him which only the raven guard would do. (Warhammer is my favorite science fiction universe but I also have acknowledge that other stories have more powerful caricatures or wepons.) Now that's enough yapping out of me have a good day.
@@bodenleezy1039 I'm going to ignore the horrendous spelling and the questionable missile feat, and instead focus on one thing that actually tangibly makes Chief both cooler and overall stronger. The coin flip feat wasn't a luck feat and it didn't land on heads 10 times. He accurately called it in the air 10 separate times by watching the coin flip and predicting how it will land.
He still loses to most Astartes, but it is surprisingly close. Death guard post heresy absolutely body him by existing though. Stinky boys.
@@Xios_Angelis another feat Master chief has under his belt is the fact that saw a missile heading towards him then slapped it to the side and continued on like it was nothing. Also modern missiles Wich are inferior to the one in this example move at utterly absurd speeds. And since space marines don't think faster because none of there gene seed augmentations accelerate there thinking that means that whenever a named astartes moves at insane speeds they can't perceive what's happening until they slow down. And fun fact it is stated in lore is that plasma weapons in Warhammer are as hot as a small. Star that means you can measure the temperature which equates to 5,000 degrees Celsius. Wich is colder than halo plasma weapons Wich are 5,500 degrees Celsius. And because we know that Warhammer plasma weapons will kill a space marine in one shot in lore that means halo plasma weapons Wich are a strand infantry weapon that are super reliable can do the same. Also Spartans don't engage in fair fights ever. Finally the master chief while an extremely well-rounded person is by Spartan standards below average in everything.
@@bodenleezy1039 Firstly, get a dictionary. Seriously. Or at least use spell check.
Second, since he slapped said missile aside, I assume it was a shoulder mounted system, likely the SPNKR Rocket Launcher used in games? Those kinds of missiles do move significantly slower than the absurdly fast missiles you are referring to.
Third, the general augments that increase body growth as well as the several brain implants increase brain activity.
Fourth, the star temperature is misleading, as you used surface temperature. Internal temps get much higher, and without clarification we can't quite tell specifics.
Fifth, a lot of space marines don't engage in fair fights either.
Sixth, John-117 is actually slightly above average in most categories, even being second best in many things.
@@Xios_Angelis First most words I use I have only used in verbal conversations and have never actually seen the proper spelling of. Second we don't have to agree on things. Third the missiles in game are slower than in lore because it wouldn't be fun to get killed by something that you can't see. Fourth it States word for word surface of a small sun but even if they meant the core it would only be an extra 500 degrees. Finally the only Gene seed organs they put in a space marines brain are ones that release hormones that make them bigger. And one that allows them to rest only part of their brain like a dolphin. (Also I appreciate the fact that you're being civilized about a disagreement.)
This was fun
I love how Master Chief is like if Fred gets serious I'm fucked😂
This honestly the most fair take I’ve come across and it makes sense against loyalist legions chief would have a very hard time but against traitor legions he’d do good by using their arrogance against them
Thank you. Chief would be more than capable of exploiting the hubris or arrogance to his advantage. Thanks for watching :)
Until he gets speedblitz by a slaaneshi champion travelling at Mach 5 and shishkabob the poor fucker.
Yeah but they’re arrogant for a reason, being immortal and juiced up on Chaos roids will give you that him movement. The hubris is them getting caught in a trap of some kind but in a 1v1 arena being a 10,000 year old veteran and overpowering opponents is right up their alley.
@@sercravenmohead3631 experience don’t do much when a firewarrior with a rail gun or pulse rifle can one shot. A fire warrior is inferior to a guardmen
Also how is MC piercing SM armor? If he’s using standard UNSC loadout versus standard SM loadout he can’t even hope to damage any of these SM chapters. UNSC rifles use 7.62mmAP which would just bounce, Imperial Guard Lasguns are automatic recoiless energy beans that cause dismemberment which puts their kinetic force comparable to .50cal and those don’t do anything to SM armor. The only times they score SM kills if you set them to max setting which is like a 20mm cannon shooting them in the weak spots. SM armor is made out of Adamantium which is stated to be stronger than Titanium, and it’s coated in Ceramite to disperse energy weapons like plasma. MC would need the Spartan Laser with tons of energy packs or rocket launcher with a bunch of ammo to get the job done.
15:33 plot twist chive was a sleeper agent of the Alfa-Legion all along
Whenever I think about Spartans vs Space marines I remember that Vulkan died from atmospheric re-entry while Noble 6 just limped it off.
He had a reetry pack, a lot of people like to ignore that.
Vulkan didn’t have his armor on though and he was able to regenerate also marines are now capable of orbital insertion thanks to the mark x gravis armor
@@nobleman9393 Except he isn't the only Spartan to survive a fall from orbit. The reentry pack had nothing to do with it.
Six had armor,shield,jetpack and still broke his arm,other spartan II wearing mk v fell of a pelican at terminal velocity and died,chief was knock out by the same fall despite having a forerunner debris to shield himself,vulkan was naked
Does planet attributes matter? Atmosphere? Size? Gravity? And was Vulkan weakened from the imprisonment?
Curious; what'd happen if instead of making just Chief battle solo, we gave him the support of a chapter sized force of Spartans (IIs, IIIs, and IVs generations at full chapter strength (1,000) or diversify it 50 IIs, 350 IIIs, and 600 IVs)
You're forgetting master chief has luck.
11:01 Note about Iron Hands, even other primarchs said how brilliant Ferrus Manus was at war.
What about the Black Templars? WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TEMPLAAAAAAAARSSSSS!?
1v1 Chief solo's every legion no question.
So I am bored at work so I'm now gunna pitch in and give my opinion on this. I'm not criticizing your video, I get where a lot of your assumptions come from tbh and agree that some space marines would do much better than others.
That said, from what I know about the lore from each universe as a whole I would say that basically any space marines that aren't named characters or psychera do not win against not only chief, but against Spartan 2s generally.
And I'm not talking out of my ass as someone who has read at least 60 Warhammer books and almost all the Halo Novels.
The advantages of an Astartes are basically weaponry, physical durability and endurance (not their armor), and melee skill. They are outmatched by spartan 2s in most other ways. And while some characters and instances could be pointed to to dispute that, it is generally true.
Space marines show a lot more variation than S2s. And I'd say that's not really a flaw but mostly down to the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of them minimum at any point in 40k's history. Not every on is gunna be fuckin Dante, Tiberos, or papa smurf. It would be like arguing every guardsman is fuckin Ramb- I mean Sly Marbo. It's just not true, and I'd say that most Spartan-2s, even in the older books are far closer to the peak skill of what they can be compared to an Astartes.
For space marines it usually not a matter of physicality, but skill. Garviel Lokan doesn't kill dozens if not hundreds of marines during the siege of Terra because he's faster or stronger. He does it because he's a more skilled combatant and to be blunt, because he's luckier than them. But to b3 honest, while they are supposed to be the best of the best, most space marines who die in the books die like fuckin stormtroopers. And while that might be a writing problem, the Spartans don't have that complex outside of the first three books.
And speaking of that, after the Fall of Reach, the Flood, and First Strike, Halo authors tend to make spartans fuckin tanks as they should be. Even when wearing the MK IV in Halo Silent Storm, spiker rounds and plasma hits do not incapacitate spartans. And even direct hits don't kill them anymore.
In Battle Born a Spartan 3 eats a hunter shot to the leg and is still able to fight. Mjolnir is portrayed to be just as tanks as Ceramite without shields. And I don't think it's because they nerfed covie weapons. Plasma rifles still cut trees in half.
And again, for speed and strength Spartans are comparable. Reaction time wise I'd even go as far to say that their just flat out better. I'd agree marines would win if you gave each side their own respective weapons only though. A bolt rifle alone is better than almost all UNSC guns. But if the argument is feats with same guns? Then fuck no. The main advantage marines have that actually matters is their weapons. And your argument is fair fight and they still win, I just don't see it.
That said it's closing time. Hope u enjoyed my hot cake :)
Same. I see Spartans as the perfect soldiers, while Astartes are near perfect warriors. A bulky Swiss Army knife with bells and whistles, vs a scalpel.
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@@wafflefuher9842 exept Spartans armor isn't fucking tank nor are that durable
Spartans are designed to be walking tanks
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I’m suprised no one brings this up but iron halos vs mjlonir shielding the marines iron halo wins due to being able to withstand extended auto cannon bursts , lascannons which are equal to anti tank Spartan lasers , and missiles of all kinds .
The iron halo is reserved for officers/chaplains/librarians. And a lasgun is more equivalent to a .50 caliber round.
People on this comment section who think Spartans can beat astartes are ither never read a book, assume from biases source or wank beyond reason
Spartans aren't on space marine level
Other than genetic augmentation astartes have better from spartans and having way dangerous enemies than spartans
The main difference between the two is spartan were created originaly to stop human rioters were as space marine were designed for conquest and war.
I think a lot of the issue with the comparisons is that it's 2 completely different roles.
Spartans are precise tools, fast and sharp
Astartes can be a precise tool, but the way they are shown 90% of the time is as a blunt object. Plus with all that bulk and all that extra weight we get the illusion of an easier target or a slower target.
All in all, one was just meant to be a super soldier. One was meant to be the best super soldiers to ever super soldier
@@MacroLore exept Spartans role was small were as astartes was bigger
And the fact that most of time they fight in meele is ither they run out of ammo or were in close
And besides spartans doesn't fight main as meele because their role is espionage hit and run
Space marine were designed for literally war Spartans didn't
@@MacroLore and Spartans 2 didn't almost all died?
Just like Spartans 3
4 were mostly people on suit with some genetic enchanted
And most of Spartans aren't created as many nor as fast
@@MacroLore so in the end space marine are stronger than spartans
But it is bad thing no
In fact I like story were Unsc react to how f up Iom is and how devastating space marine are
But it won't happen since Unsc get beaten by Astra militarum
I dissagree because your only argument is they fight bigger enemy so they won and there are more which is not a good argument at all to astartes beats spartans (They dont)
The way I see it, Spartan IIs aren't so much faster than Space Marines, but a hole fuck of a lot more agile. Space Marine armor is insanely bulky and restrictive in movement compared to Mjolnir, and because of that, Spartans can pull off things that SMs just can't. Think Spartan vs Hunter, the Hunter is a hell of a lot stronger but they move in slow motion by comparision.
Master chief has plot armor though
@@resvero8342 so does space marine
@@whiteeye3453 Space marines die in droves often
I’d say it’s a close match in favor of the space marine if it’s not a even match. In terms of capabilities their pretty much matched and weaponry isn’t gonna be that big of a difference neither space marine or spartan armor is impenetrable.
People don't know that space marines are not just strong but extremely agile, unlike master chief, astarte have an organ that connect their nervous system to their Armour, they literally feel naked all the time, even their enemies say: "something that big shouldn't be that fast"
You're showing that you don't know the lore of Halo's Spartans. They're more agile and faster than the Space Marines, and they do have augmentations that link their thoughts to the armor, and that drastically increase their intelligence and thinking speed.
@@lennardchurch8483 you think marines dont?
@@BasadoAnonimo No, I was pointing out that the Spartans have an equivalent augmentation to the one you implied was unique to the Space Marines.
@@lennardchurch8483 so chief feels that the armor is his skin? Damn maybe the creators are also 40k fans.
@@BasadoAnonimo Or being "like a second skin" is a common phrase that's used in fiction to describe how well an armor is designed.
Space marines is a genre of science fiction that long predates Warhammer 40k, and a lot of the tropes that are shared between 40k and other franchises are just the tropes of that genre, not the other franchises "copying" 40k.
Honestly, i dont think Chief would lose because he has canonical plot armor and survived falling from orbit just because he was lucky. To put it in terms of fallout, he has 10 luck and maxed out on all luck perks.
I know this is just a spartan vs. space marine, and i would agree that spartans are not going far well against most marines, but master chief would win just because he is lucky
MC is average at being exceptional. If he got a stat bunp to make every skill a 7-8/10 the blue berry squad are a 9.5/10
Chief should win every fight, no matter who what when or where. He has something that very few characters in media have. Luck... Better known as plot armor.
*Named unhelmeted space marine enters the chat
"It Is I, Cato Sicarius!"
can i introduce you to the ultramarines aliias one how destroyed a shard of a GOD another killed like 14 greater demons who would make you either insane by looking at them or give you space cancer you cant cure normal then we we have someone how survived direct contact to hell another one i just say i cato sicarius
Space marine lore feats for newcomers
From the book angels of fire- marines rip durasteel hatches off of tanks as if they were paper
From the book flesh and iron- a marine scout lifts a tree trunk off a dead disciple which weighs 1,000 lbs with barely any strain
From the book blood gorgons- a space marine slaps and kills 400lb man sending him flying across the room into a group of people.
From the books nightbringer and beneath the flesh- marines armor can tank heavy auto cannon rounds
From the books legion of the damned and beneath the flesh - frag grenades are a mere inconvenience to marine armor
From the book legion of the damned- astartes can run through walls
From the book thousand sons and the ultramarines movie- astartes can fight for weeks on end
From the book void stalker- marine survives wound that leaves half his face burned off with a missing eye
From the book legion of the damned - marine gets run over by a black legion land raider only to get back up and continue fighting
From the book gildar rift-marine losing arm is an inconvenience
From the book fallen angel- marine gets cut in half below the waist and survives to continue returning fire to his attacker .
Astartes vs Spartans is the lions vs tigers of the sci fi world basically superior biology (astartes) vs superior tech (Spartans) both super soldiers are very capable of killing each other .
Astartes has tech too, mate.
I’d say Spartans have better physiology for this fight tbh.
Well, if you want to bring factions into the fray, it would be Spartans vs astartes but they would also have all the other allied factions on their side. The UNSC vs Imperial Guard for instance. Even the Guard would absolutely demolish the UNSC.
@@AQS521 The Guard outnumber the UNSC 1 trillion to 1. That's like pitting an ant against a M1 Abrams.
@@memosanchez8916 nach more like wolves and pit buls
Brah.....in so many words cheif would not stand a chance
What game is playing in the background?
Warhammer 40,000 Boltgun
@@MacroLore Thanks.
What loadout are you giving Master Chief? Standard UNSC weapons like the M85 assault rifle only used 7.62mm AP, that’s just gonna bounce off the Space Marines Adamantium plate armor, the only thing viable in this matchup is the Spartan Laser or the rocket launcher but that’s not a guaranteed kill tbh. SM armor bounces Lasgun fire and those are stated to have kinetic power of .50cal and those are fully automatic and recoiless, if you wanted to score a kill with a lasgun you’d need to max the setting which is comparable to a 20mm cannon and shoot the weak spots like under the neck for a decapitation. Chief is gonna lose pretty much all of these because he can’t even pierce the armor, he’d have to disarm the SM some how which puts him in range of glorious melee combat in which he would lose.
Note: Adamantium in 40k is known as the hardest metal alloy known to man and it’s not on our periodic table therefore making it harder than Titanium.
They're both using bolt pistols with 4 reserve mags
honestly both can ragdoll each other.
i know they say it’s 7.62x51 but like.. no it just isnt like thats so fucking dumb i just say that its incorrect lmao not that 7.62 nato is a weak round but at the very least for the lore to make a lick of sense you must assume that the propellant, metallurgy of the case and projectile design are not at all similar to what we think of as .308 today. Like the way i imagine it is that these rounds are going much faster, with far more penetrative and ballistic capabilities. like how the pistol rounds are supposed to be kinda like bolter ammunition, they explode after penetration.
@@SmokesKwazukii
Still can't do any damage to space marine armor,
Even bolters can be deflected by space marine armor let alone shit unsc weapons Which can't be penetrated brute.
ok, this idea that the community HATES the Lamenters is a bizarre one to me.
Feels bad about them? yeah, definitely.
Hates them? no more than chapters like the salamanders or crimson fists.
i have never encountered anyone hating on the Lamenters for being Lamenters. now, i know some folks who hate space marines in general, but even then i haven't seen even them diss the Lamenters or even salas...
You forgot that Chief can respawn and play the level again. EZ dub by the 50th try. Idc what difficulty these Astartes are playing on.
Chief can also flip scorpion tanks by pressing X. He should be able to flip a space marine without issue xD. (joking)
Aren't the salamanders some of the physically strongest space marines?
Yes. Up there with iron hands
@@MacroLore so wouldn't that give them an advantage
@@Darkangelnum1 yeah. But they’re also the only legion that would stop at the sight of another human. The salamanders are the most human of the space marines. Comparable to the Spartans in halo
@@MacroLore alright fair point
Just want to point out that bolter rounds are .75 caliber, which is around the size of a 12 gauge shotgun shell, not a Monster can. This is something people get wrong quite a lot.
Master Chief with luck > Fred 104 > Master Chief without luck > Average Spartan. (Stats and skill wise)
I really dont think he could beat even 1 rando unamed space marine.
Let me guess are you even familiar with spartan lore and calcs from the books cause they shit on most space marines chief can generate punches equal to 72 tons
Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force.
In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch:
t = d/v
t = 1/30 = .033•
About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive.
Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following:
F = ma
= (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06)
F = 720,000N
Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy.
generally S2 (gen 3 armor) VS SM (Mark 7 Armor) are like this
SM take on
Endurance
Stamina
Weapons
Experience
S2 better at
Speed
Agility
Equipment
Adaptability
Both tie in or has extreme close
Strength (more to sm due to higher endurance & depending on chapter)
Durability (more to S2 due to charging shields)
Accuracy (more to S2 due to gaps in sm mk 7 armor)
Reaction time (more to sm due to experience)
first match
an s2 with br vs sm with bolter will likely end with s2 dead but with few bullets in sm neck which he may end dead later if there is no apothecaries close to him or it will end with 1/10 for s2 - 4/10 for sm - 5/10 both of them dying.
MEANWHILE
second match
S2 With Bolter VS SM with Bolter will likely end with s2 winning more then the sm due to s2 ability to take down the sm with 1 to 3 shots due to targeting the head. 6/10 for s2 - 3/10 both of them die - 1/10 for sm
third match
both fist fight, 8/10 for sm - 2/10 both die
fourth match
both with their own dagger, 7/10 for sm - 2/10 both die - 1/10 for s2
fifth match
energy sword vs power sword, 5/10 for sm - 3/10 both die - 2/10 for s2 due to energy sword likely melting astartes 2 hearts with stab or delivering higher level of damage to the neck or head
or 10/50 for S2 - 15/50 for a tie - 25 for SM
Finally
I always am annoyed when the 1v1 matchups are just ignoring the diverse flavors of marines. Also would like to see a psyche version.
Do space marines have any sensors in their armor ? Because they cant really look down. They have giant blind spots because their armor is so bulky. Some Space Marines can't even look behind them because of their giant "backpacks". Their pauldrons are also so big that they don't have full range of motion with their arms. I think chief could use his superior mobility, Motion tracker and cortana to his advantage. I also think chiefe is the faster runner. He could basically out maneuver most space marines while they would be to bulky to fit through many of the smaller spaces on Rust.
Im not well versed in 40k. Im not saying chief would win all the time. But i think his nimbleness and speed would come in handy when fighting the bulky boys.
Yes, they don’t have the full 360 view that you would expect, but they do have some pretty in depth sensors and indicators
@@MacroLore Cool. Thanks for the info
@@Trashlootand they don't feel the bulk of the armor they feel it's their skin.
I'm pretty sure pancreas not works was here he debunked most of this video😂
The beauty of opinions. He’s a good guy, but I don’t agree 100% with his opinions on the matter. Thank you for watching
@@MacroLore I'm still not entirely sure you Lorecrimes and Pancreasnowork are not the same person I have a sneaking suspicion there is alpharius Shenanigans going on here
Death Guard is winning this
Space marines eat Spartans 😂😂
I could use some burger tank
Music is to loud. It turns an enjoyable video into a painful crawl trying to block out the overly loud music to hear your speech and gather the information. It turns it into a frustrating chore... at best... i cant finish the video. :/
Chief shield fully recharge in seconds and can tank fire from forerunner weapons aswell in range he has the advantage if he has a deadly weapon
Spartans by the time of Halo Infinite would actually rock the shit out of most astartes and Im just not talking spartan 2s or 3s, 4s in game "context" and in the books have feats that flat are insane, hell in halo 5s through the marketing and campaign the spartans are already capable of feats that would make astartes struggle in countering.
so you dont know a shit about astartes i see
Primaris Marines laugh.
And uh, how is "getting splattered by slow moving ape" OP? At all?
@@IAmAlpharius20 Brutes are not slow in lore, their homeplanet Dosaic is stated to be a higher gravity planet with hostile nuclear widlife, infinite he was caught of guard.
@@Gotnothingatall "Brutes aren't slow" then why do ODSTS kill them in fistfights? He wasn't caught off guard. He go beat down plain and simple. It's okay to lose lil bro
@IAmAlpharius20 They usually dont? And in 3 ODST, it took the whole group to kill the one guy albeit a chieftain who was kinda lumbering around with the whole big slow swings and they lost one guy almost immediately despite knowing a phantoms dropping something in and one was wounded and almost got decapitated. Like in an active warzone you usually cant do that unless you have enough space. The grace with Brutes is that they are usually bloodthirsty almost to the point of stupid, basically angry monkes, that they can be usually dealt with other means like ranged weaponry. Atriox was like supposed to be scary because he isnt as angry monke smash as the others though it isnt as clear because of 343's writing.
I feel like if the Salamanders would 100% join the UNSC given the opportunity: An Human government that is not 100% bad and gives autonomy to planets (if you pay taxes that is), sign me in! Specially with the UNSC propaganda that is more hopefull and lighthearted (We will defeat the bad aliens :) ), than Imperium propaganda that is "do what emperor says or die".
Eeem the grave mind was attacking cheif psycicly not by sound plus i think u forgot about spartans resourcefulness, plus in a war humanity in halo could reverse engineer any warhammer tec. Also any melee space marine would literally lose cheif just has to keep distance. But yah overall spartans would have too much trouble with space marines
Why not give chief the flaktura (spear gun) and give a space marine the bolt pistol
Technically Fred is the best Spartan 2 I'm pretty sure Fred could take on atriax
Ngl this whole matchup is an interesting idea but it feels like i'm watching a death battle episode without the fun fight animation.
On top of that, everything felt pretty boring to listen since most of the time it felt like you put more thought into how a space marine wins rather than how an actual interaction between the two combatants would occur.
For instance, the emperor's children. They win because they're master duelists? Ok, so what are they dueling with? All you gave them was a bolter so i'm not sure how that applies anywhere to the act of dueling unless you're trying to say that applies to like pistol dueling when two guys just stood infront of each other and tried to see who could shoot first.
Or the deathguard. Yeah they're tanky, but you make it sound like MC would just stand around like a sitting duck, unload into them, then just continue standing there while the death guard approaches and kills them. In reality MC would be slippery as can be, staying away from them easily thanks to them being so slow.
On top of those, it feels like you heavily gimped Master Chief since you kept him in his first game armor (his weakest armor), didn't let him have cortana which is part of his kit in nearly every game with AI being almost standardized for all spartans by this point and you didn't let him use any form of weapon from his own universe.
Like yeah human weapons probably won't be super effective, but covenant weapons and such would make the fight way more interesting.
All in all, this vid feels more like a quick way to get views rather than something you're actually passionate about making.
what about the Black Templars? Could they win?
tf why does the gravemind support this channel...
Do not question the machinations
@@GhostOfReachB312 because grave mind hate halo
This is all wrong. Lets get some stats in. Space Marines - 7 - 8 feet tall. about 300+lbs can run 35 - 45 mph with armor. Master Chief 6'10. 285lbs and can run 60mph because Mjolner augments his natural speed (as a teenager could run 34mph cannon without armor). It's basically a fight between Chief and your average Sangheili and a Primaries would be equivalent to your average Arbiter. Custodes would be like a bunch of Atriox.
Master Chief may not be as physically strong as your average space marine but he is close and has the more agile and faster frame. In combat situations speed, agility, is a huge factor. I've ran the simulations through AI. Master Chief takes your average space marine however if it's a battle of attrition Master Chief could be overpowered but still due to adaptability, and tactically Chief wins. That's without Cortana.
Against your average Primaries. It's extremely close but primaries has the advantage due to superior physical enhancements and fire power but Chief still has his speed advantage. Again ran it through AI. That's chiefs limits into winning by himself. WIth CORTANA Chief wins.
Against Custodes... Chief doesn't stand a chance even with Cortana.
Chief is not faster, astartes don't even feel they have an armor on.
@@BasadoAnonimo you got source on their speed?
@@Redsiix I follow the biggest Hispanic nerd of Warhammer, I forgot what he said about their sprint. But I know that their reflexes and mobility is better due to their enhanced anatomy and connection with their armor, making then unnaturally agile.
@@Redsiix a good example is warhammer 40k: bomtgun, a lore accurate marine
@@BasadoAnonimo Spartans don't feel the weight of their armor, which greatly enhances their speed and reflexes. They're not hindered by its presence, they feel its absence.
If you want to say Space Marines are faster, please provide a canonical citation (novel title, page number, quotation of relevant passage). That verifies the claim, whereas repeating other fans' claims does not, because most of what 40k fans say about 40k's lore is only partially true at best, as it's gone through a long game of telephone, getting a bit more exaggerated with each passing (you, yourself are citing other fans, not the actual lore).
Are we talking pre-woke astartes or current GW agenda pushing astartes?
I'm still going to put my money on 117. Chief has the upper hand in some areas, such as speed and defensive equipment. With that said, a bolter would really mess up his day!
How do they differ?
So i dont know jack shit about the 40K universe but having watched your videos about how the flood and the covenant and the forerunners would fare in fights against various 40k factions, i am sensing a severe devaluation of Spartan-II John-117's hyperlethal Army-defeating capabilities here.
If the Forerunners and the flood and a big enough Covenant fleet can challenge the Astartes or the Imperial Legion on a large scale, which you seem to believe they can, then i think it stands to reason humanity's near invulnerable defender Master Chief could be capable of 1v1ing any of the marines that are a part of said Imperial Navy, considering he single handedly defeats the most battlehardend squads of elite combatants from these same factions on the regular.
Master Chief nearly single handedly defeated entire covenant fleet detachments, survived and eradicated swarms of flood, and regularly defeats foes in martial combat that seem to be about as powerful as any of these Space Marines based on how ive seen you analyze them in your videos (consider Brute Chieftains, Atriox and Tartaras, Mgalekgolo battle pairs, squads of elite Zealots, Ultras, and Generals, 343 Guilty Spark, multiple Scarab battle platforms simultaneously, Promethean Knights, the Ur-Didact himfuckingself, a Promethean war criminal and telepathic technodemon with dominion over ancient armies of robot people, Cortana's bipolar ass, etc. etc.)
He has the mark of the Reclaimer, he has a CANONNICAL protagonist plot armor level of "luck", and a highly advanced AI, Cortana, who is known to enhance his already superhuman reaction speeds and tactical planning skills by tenfold or more. I mean he is the main character for a reason, and that should count for something imo.
His armor is probably a lot stronger than you make it seem and the enhanced energy shields he utilizes since the integration of Covenant shielding technology are certainly a multiplying factor to his survivability (remember that they can be quickly recharged, meaning as long as he doesn't take a monumental amount of damage all at once, he is essentially invulnerable in a prolonged fight. He is not a typical Frontline grunt, he can and will actively escape the fight if he is losing and redevelop his battle plan)
Even I we want to say Master Chief is not as strong or resilient as these elite Legionnaires, I am almost certain they could not hope to match his speed and reaction times, nor his tactical processing power since it is governed by an AI capable of operating an entire battlecruiser and overwhelming even completely alien cyber security in a matter of seconds (not to mention enduring the dreaded "Logic Plague" of the Gravemind, pretty much the scariest weapon known in the Halo Universe)
The canonical Chief we play as in the Halo video games is also not even half as devastatingly lethal as the canon character from the books- Jackal snipers being able to take him out in one shot is preposterous fiction implemented for the sake of gameplay function. Chief is much harder to hit and kill than the rudimentary approximation that we gamers attempt to play as in the games. Just like the other spartan-IIs he is a nuclear powered war machine (literally) that cost more to create than a small fleet of battleships. And he is the best among those insanely OP Spartans by a significant margin.
Again, i really dont know enough about the space marines or 40k in general to make specific comparisons, but as far as i can tell there are millions of replacable legionnaires in the Imperial Navy, whereas there is only 1 Master Chief. He is not only cyborg-level powerful, and hyper lethal, but he is also a tactical genius- there is no enemy that can defeat him with sheer strength or combat skill alone with his enhanced capabilities, regenerative shielding, and literal supercomputer processing capacity. If he can defeat the covenant, the Banished, the Flood, and the Prometheans, and save humanity on a daily basis essentially by himself (plus Cortana, the Arbiter, and cameos from Sgt Johnson, and a couple ODSTs) i think he can 1v1 even the best 40k can throw at him.
Yes I'm a fan boy for Halo and Master Chief. Yes I know I'm biased and uneducated in regards to 40K. But having watched YOUR other videos about the comparisons between these universes I just sensed a very strange imbalance in regards to the Halo Universe's canonically most deadly warrior when comparing him to these other guys that aren't even the main character or the strongest fighters in their own world.
You seem to think Halo's biggest threats generally outclass those of 40k, so considering Master Chief has demonstrated his domination over those exact same threats already, I was honestly taken aback by how little comprehension (or perhaps faith for the 40K fans) you seem to have in his unstoppable combat prowess. He IS the best known warrior in a Universe of extremely dangerous warriors, so I think he deserves more credit than this. Maybe I'm wrong but if there's one mfer that deserves the utmost respect it's the savior of Humanity and the harbinger of the era of console FPS gaming, Master Chief.
TLDR: Chief needs more credit for defeating 4+ different galaxy spanning threats to humanity and having a literal supercomputer artificial intelligence and infinitely regenerative energy shields keeping him alive. Not to mention- he is quite lucky if you haven't heard. If you realy want to claim the Imperial Elites are this martially capable, then i think you need to reevaluate the contradictory analyses in your other videos about how they would fare against the existential threats Master chief has already defeated in his Universe. The bias towards 40K is evident in your other videos but this one the most ive seen by far. Still quite entertaining though, so good job.
Largely accurate. When you get past the hyperbole, 40k's level of power is somewhat typical among the whole of science fiction. And Master Chief's abilities combines those of a Vindicare Assassin with those of a Space Marine.
I agree it’s hard to put chief against another factions super soldiers like 40k because they also have lots of characters with plot armor. A named space marine is so wildly inconsistent in their powers and abilities
Space Marine deflecting Bullet at close range with a knife.
Deflecting a hypersonic bolter round with a combat knife:
Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks.
Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232.
@@MacroLore Space marine Deflecting a hypersonic round with a combat knife:
Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks.
Hammer and Bolter. Redeemed Page 231-232.
@@MacroLore
-Captain Argel Tal reacts to fully-automatic bolter hypersonic rounds fire slicing the rounds apart.
He pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear’s underslung bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full-auto.
Argel Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the primarch’s heart. The explosions threw the captain to the ground, his grey armour scraping along the stone with the shriek of offended ceramite.
- The First Heretic: Fall to Chaos
-A Space Marine's speed is so superhuman that it creates a effect called Transhuman Dread:
Age Of Darkness Page 163
-Covering half a dozen meters in one pace:
“'Disperse!' bellowed Astelan, sprinting to his right. His power armour took him across the ground in huge leaps, covering half a dozen metres with every pace.
-Tales Of Heresy Page 304 /thanks for noticing men appreciate it.
Night Lords would anihilate Master Chief
how about Halo Spartans reach the technology of War hammer 40k or perhaps HALO COMBAT EVOLVE 50,000 ??? ??? ???
A named Chapter Master/Custodes/Primarch might be able to give Master Chief the Atriox-level beat-down. Anything less is going down like Escharum.
I largely agree. Chief is going to beat anyone that isn’t wearing a red helmet, no helmet, or a mask of a primarch. Anyone else doesn’t have the plot armor
I don’t see that as fair to a salamander fr I mean chiefs armor is augmented to his specifications chiefs gear is his preferred gear why can’t the salamander use a combo bolter which they often do and not mention the salamanders are the largest and physically strongest marines and are often depicted as incredibly durable like the death guard I think a salamander is one of the hardest fights out the legions mainly just because if the salamander got ahold of cheif he honestly could probably crush moljnir with cheif in it salamanders are no joke that’s like the only one I disagree with but yeah if we give the sally what cheif would encounter them with cheif would probably get one shotted by a melta pistol or manhandled in hand to hand it would be like a wrestling match between big show on steroids and ray mysterio if it wasn’t scripted
First off, you stuck all of the Traitor Astartes in Mark X? Please excuse me while I hurl. Second, stop reading the absolute garbage about the 8th Legion that Guy Haley pumps out. Dude hates the 8th, and will go to full lengths to make them look bad. Read the ADB stuff.
Also bro you forgot astates are vunrable to emp ect gen 3 armour has built in grapple hook that can cause emp effect he can stun and go for the kill if any come in close for melee. Gen 3 also has built in camo aswell as some thrust pack boosters.
Most people fail to mention that a baseline human in 40k is weaker than one in real life and you have to scale the whole setting accordingly. Like a Leman Russ has a fifth of the armor of an M1 Abrams. Outside of numerics most modern militaries could dogwalk the imperium in even fights they have regressed so far technologically. Yes infantry don't carry heavy enough weapons to deal with space marines on an individual level but they're so comparatively rare it's more like encountering an IFV than an enemy solder.
Bolter rounds are overestimated by many, they're 20mm grenades with a secondary propulsion stage (basically 40mm HEDP but scaled down a good bit). They'd probably be good for taking chunking members of the swarms of combatants normally found in 40k but are not really a practical choice if you want to extrapolate to real life or equalize to another setting.
Spartans also think about twice as fast as Space Marines and move better, even if their straight line sprints are comparable.
The big thing that stands out to me is how worthless armor is in 40k. This is mostly due to it being written by clueless brits who don't have any idea how weapons or fighting works.
The best way to think of 40k. Is a species that has technology but no way of inventing anything. They don’t have the correct tools for the job 95% of the time but if you hit something with a hammer hard enough it will end up working eventually. Not properly or pretty but it will get done
I don’t even see the Astartes vs Spartans as a question anymore. Because Spartans are the answer to the Space Marine. Where one is a big knife with a cleaver like blade that can be used as a hammer, for cutting, stabbing, prying, and etc with all its augments and specializations. The other is a scalpel, with its entire purpose being specialized and refined. All of the Spartans augments and armor gives them an edge, even their size, as in an engagement with weapons that can pierce through ceramite(which most UNSC weapons with AP rounds can) its all about getting shots on target. The neuro augments really giving them the edge as well the how OP energy shields would be. Granted I don’t think Spartans do well in the 40k setting, but against Space marines, they’re a tier above.
Astartes are superior in almost every facit though? Better equipment, better augmentations, better training, better experience, fight much deadlier enemies, faster in both reaction time and speed, more endurance and more durable etc. Master cheif has the reaction time of 0.02 seconds Astartes reaction time is in the nano seconds, I'd link the source but youtube doesn't let me. Just look it up on google, Master chiefs only advantages in this fight are his luck and AI. That's it, if you put him against a named plot driven character he loses his luck advantage. He loses 8/10 times to a random no named Astartes from sheer luck and AI advantage. And he loses 10/10 times to a named Astartes. People need to remember the average age of battle line Astartes are centuries of years old, fighting in one of if not the most gruelling and deadly universe in fiction.
@@NastyStankyChicken The ridiculous nanosecond reaction feat you’re talking about is from a Custodes, not a space marine. There augments make them stronger and more durable than a Spartan but there is no augment that specifically increases there neurons to make them react faster(although they do have better reaction times than humans), unlike the Spartans where they’re pretty much built around that augment. A space marine is nothing but a massive target to a Spartan, and where silhouettes are the name of the game in actual combat, that’s an extreme disadvantage to being shot. Also the named space marine thing is true, and that’s usually GW making shit up to make them standout where they become a Sayan tier character fi no damn reason. The age of an astartes honestly seems more like a weakness to me. An immortal warrior who sees themselves as able to live forever, has everything to lose, but the Spartans knows they’ll die before they make it to 30. I think people severely underestimate Spartans and the way GW writers are inconsistent as hell makes space marines a hard topic to argue.
@@romannumeralvii4285 No the nano second feat is Astartes search up Castus ultramarine or go to the vs battles wiki and look up space marines a go to the speed section. Castus processes the battle field and tactical data in nanoseconds.
@@romannumeralvii4285 No the nano second feat is astartes, look up Castus from the Ultramarines the quote was "Analysing and aprasing tactical data in nanoseconds." All while he was having a chat with an admiral and in the middle of a battle.
@@NastyStankyChicken OH THAT. But that’s not reaction time battle brother, that’s just processing. Which we see Spartans able to do as well in the middle of combat.
i think chief would actually kill a space marine 1v1 most of the time. Lore wise he is extremely fast, i know space marines are supposed to be as well but idk i just dont see it. i think Chief out maneuvers them.
Actually Astartes are incredibly fast. In fact there even something called “trans-human dread” which can be caused when a regular human sees an astartes run because their brain can’t process how something so large is moving so fast.
I gotta say man. I completely disagree. On paper, a Spartan is 10x faster and 10x more accurate than a Space Marine. Hand Chief a Magnum and watch Him keyhole eye slits all day
Spartans would just be a better vindicare assassin
I feel your having to nerf space marines just to give masterchief a shot at winning the fight, fully equipped on both sides spartan with a sniper rifle or spartan laser with a plasma sword would still be a gritty fight against a standard boltgun and combat knife for an astartes because an astartes has probably fought many opponents including demons that can move faster than them and are almost impervious to bolter fire and will only be killed/banished in melee combat. based on combat prowess alone an astartes has been rocking hard for hundreds of years where as masterchief is a child by comparison and wouldn't know when he can tank a hit just to pin your opponent for a killing blow, evasion is a spartans bread and butter an you can only run for so long.
No he nerfed master chief to since gen 3 has built
In armour abilities like camo/trusters and grapple joint hat can use emp effect.
@@supremercommonder the only abilities to really trouble a space marine would be in my opinion, active camo and the shield over charge or speed boost the rest would likely be the equivalent of a party popper spraying confetti, emp might slow the astates down but wont stop him and I'm certain using a jetpack would be clay shooting for an astartes unfortunately for the spartan in question.
@@nachomarine1628 chief in general 3 tanks a 400 ton explosion that sends him 15 meters in the air in shadow of reach. Nothing a astates does is matching that and his shield recharge in seconds
@@supremercommonder the shield is more or less the only thing keeping an astartes gauntlet from ploughing out the back the skull of a spartan, once you get past it the guy will be a ketchup sachet waiting to be smushed in a split second, sure the suit can handle re-entry and has impact reducing qualities with gel and locking mechanisms but wouldn't take a concentrated strike, the suit might be fine the guy inside might not especially as elites, brutes and goliaths can kill a spartan with sheer strength/fire power so would be child's play for an astartes.
@@nachomarine1628 They can’t not in the books I can give you many examples of chief misting elite and destroying there skeletal structures. Master chief has feats of punching at 72 tons without no gauntlet which is not standard gear he uppercutting a space marine head of
Master Chief's Banshee punch has interesting implications of the force, energy, and speed delivered by John in the novel.
Banshees look to have a pretty acquisitive distribution of it's 2250KG frame by the nose/frontal region of the craft. Not only does this favour the Spartan's striking ability to be of a higher value, but it also narrows his margin of error in order to best lift the craft upwards through a displacement via brute force.
In a strafing run, where the craft achieves loitering speeds of 108km/hr (or some 30 meters per second), John's margin of error likely needs to be aligned somewhere behind the bulbous nose, and facing the outer-wedge of the wing. Assuming this gap is less around one meter, the following time is required to calculate a punch:
t = d/v
t = 1/30 = .033•
About 33 milliseconds. This is no button or ruler drop test, mind you - calculating, accelerating, then executing a strike within this window of time is quite impressive.
Which leads to the force and energy. Assuming the vehicle, coupled with a 150 kilogram pilot, has a low-estimate weight distribution of 60 percent reversing it's direction from a depressing arc to a coiling topple, John would have exerted the following:
F = ma
= (.6*2400) * (30 / 0.06)
F = 720,000N
Or 72 tonnes of force. More than five times that which Atriox delivered to the solar plexus of Red Team. To absorb the energy of the craft in this manner, makes Master Chief capable or exerting 648 kilojoules, or more than half a megajoule of kinetic energy.
as long as Chief has a weapon capable of piercing ceramite and its not a named character or some librarian with some weird esoteric hax who are way stronger than the average marine, he stomps, physically stronger, more durable due to energy shielding, physically faster in both reaction time and physical movement etc. he does actually have SOME mind hax resistance due to the Graveminds messages in Halo 3 with the Promoridial in the Forerunner trilogy just talking to Ancient Humans caused them to kill themselves so its not an alien concept in Halo entirely
Then there's the tech advantage with Chief having advanced active camouflage, wall hax, motion tracker, built in jetpack, grapple hook with electroshock capabilities, an AI for combat analytics and cyberwarfare etc.
No only does he just outstat the average he has a lot of win cons outside of that
You massively downplayed the durability of his shield its capable of tanking things that can vaporize hunters and brute chieftains and 30mm/50mm autocanon bullets those would have 2.5x to 3.5x the kinetic energy of a bolt round if anything saying hes EQUAL in durability would have been a downplay let alone half as durable
this is literally just a video of you saying he loses over and over again with no real substance wheres the actual comparison of stats? skill? hax abilities? theres nothing there
spartan 2 vs space marine .
I was already playing halo before I know the meaning of 40,000 in Warhammer.
Ide say this is an easy Space marine win.
Space Marines fight like Jiralhanae, and Chief trounces Jiralhanae. At best, there's some Space Marines that could probably defeat Chief, but Chief's skill set, speed, and agility would win out most of the time, as he would fight more like a Vindicare Assassin, not giving the Space Marines the chance to fight back.
@@lennardchurch8483 a space marine can run 20KPH for 6 days straight.
and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor hinder their speed.
and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@lennardchurch8483 a space marine can run 20KPH for 6 days straight.
and can whole ass/sprint only between 40 to 50 miles an hour because of their armor hinder their speed.
and their are lore on the book of a space marine dodging bullets not dodging enemy fire but dodging bullets.
@@Rorschach0474 Citation? Please provide the quotation, book title, and page number of the canonical source you're citing. I've debated far too many 40k fans to take any claim at face value without a citation, or personally knowing it to be accurate from my own reading.
If you can provide your citation, I can provide a citation for Master Chief (who is explicitly not the fastest Spartan) running at similar speed, and dodging bullets.
Master Chief cannot dodge bullet like the matrix. surely in the book it describes dodging enemy fire moving from cover to cover and enemies actually missing. not dodging bullet like the matrix. I'm 100% sure of it I've been a fan of master chief since 2007. except for the needler weapon.
and there's stupid argument that since master Chief can dodge enemy weapon as fast as speed of light it means Chief is faster than the speed of light.
I know Chief he can't do that. his super soldier and an elite one at that. but chief faster than the speed of light.
but can Chief dodge energy weapon yes he can! because he can sprint and enemies can miss those shots.
I kinda disagree with this video over all. People (especially warhammer fans) under value and under estimate Spartans. I'm not sure why you nerffed the Spartans as much as you did but even if we go by game play cheif is more then capable of dealing with marines. Don't forget brutes are essentially hair SpaceMarines that arnt as smart. And I'm going to say it I'm pretty sure a brute is capable of killing an armored marine
Also I'm 99% sure Spartans are stronger if they can flip a 70 tone tank like it's nothing
Brutes are more like Ogryns
@sercravenmohead3631 how there described in the books they sound like more violent world eaters
@@redamerican5830 *Diet World eaters* Yeah they’re brutal and have violent temperaments but they’re more comparable to Ogryns in physical strength and intelligence.. Space Marines are heavily armored, physically durable, intelligent, and have speed/reaction time comparable to Master Chief.
While I agree, I have to give credit to the original legions, they were no joke
First?
Second sadly but I’ll give it to you :)
I'm just assuming wh40k always wins. Everything is on crack in that setting
Iron warriors would rock his shit.
Iron warriors are fucked cause chief grapple hook built into gen 3 has emp effect