Is the Behringer SF300 a "Real Super Fuzz?" - Budget Vs. Boutique - Comparisons to the JHS Supreme
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I was so blown away by this Behringer, I bought 5. I give them away as gifts. Best gift you can give another guitarist.
I’ll send you my address....Thanks man.
there are aftermarket metal enclosures you can buy, if you are willing to do a little bit of extra tinkering
@@-jank-willson Which ones? Someone needs to make aluminum castings of the Behringer plastic clamshell that they use for their enclosures.
@@malcolmbliss777 I forget the brand, but they are on Amazon I believe. I think they were around 15-25$
hook it up cuz
Josh, the man himself, already blessed the behringer by saying it was sonically identical to the boss and the original fuzz in his what's up with behringer video
And he revealed he helped make it Sweetwater's biggest selling pedal ever, according to a recent video he did for them.
Got one myself after that video, great pedal considering it cost me 22€.
@@andresilvasophisma Me too. I've just been recording with it. It's great.
Got one when they were $22. Great find
14.69 $ usd up here in Canada !!!! :P horns up !
Ryan's new church board... 2x Super Fuzz & Avalanche Run delay 😂. Sunday services are gonna be lit!
I don’t care what anyone says, doom metal is the Lord’s music.
that set up sounds very Rammstein
This is a Classic Comment! 😂🤣👍🏻
Ryan turned into a doom metal channel
Doom Surf.
@@ultravirezdoom smurf.
DOOMSDAY in a pedal
Dang, not only do they sound fantastic together: this is the best playing I've heard from you!
these pedals are perfect for inventing the whole new genre of Doom Surf!
I think that "flatter" feeling on the Behringer is because of the way you have the treble and bass set at. You can dial your bump or scoop to your own personal taste. Cool video btw, always appreciate your energy!
Oh man, the jag-stang looks so outrageous, I kinda have to love it. Really happy the Behringer fuzz gets the love it deserves.
Two Princetons...twice! Also nice to see their stinger on its own and not shared with Tunr Time.
Please do a video exploring more of the Avalanche Run. I think there are some sounds on there (especially using an expression pedal) that you would have a lot of fun with. Also, in tails mode it can act as a microlooper that degrades like tape and gets really lo-fi. I love mine.
ill spend some time with it!
At 21 mins in the sliding wiggle stick work is my fave type of solo! Smashing it!
Hey dude I’m enjoying the content
I really liked the ‘ why i suk at guitar’ video and think you hit on things every guitar player needs to reflect on.
Your perspective if very refreshing, thank you.
Cheers 🎸🐸🤘
Hi Ryan just love your infectious laugh :D and the best pedaltest of all, one can not own to many fuzz pedals ;) love cheers
One would argue the the Behringer is a little bit more behaved thus being more appropriate in a band setting. The Supreme is an identical clone of the Super Fuzz, it sounds like doom and the end of the world which is tricky to add a band mix.
One would. Two wouldn’t
Taming the beast is part of the charm of the super fuzz circuit
A 50 minute long video to compare a 25 dollar fuzz pedal to a 200 dollar fuzz pedal just to find out that both are killer. I love it. Also, I've been drooling over that oxblood baritone cabronita since I first saw it about 2 weeks ago.
This guy knows how to,chose guitars.
Holy crap that's pure bliss that mix between 2 pedals with the avalanche 🌟🌟
I love fuzz pedals and have way more of them than I could ever use. Out of my favorite budget ones, I love the Behringer Fuzz...but have you ever tried a Biyang Baby Boom Fuzz Star? It is amazing!!!! Would love to see you demo one and hear your thoughts on it. Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Both pedals sound great, and they both do something the other can’t. The low gain scuzzy 2d sound of the behringer is really something, super aggressive. That ticks more boxes for me personally, but I love the supreme too and would say yes, it is the one I’d recommend to others who want to get into this style of fuzz.
No bad pedals here today. Not even nearly.
all the fuzz makes me think back to the cuvave days! love the video by the way!! I was just curious, if you put a noise gate pedal with a cuvave. do you think the noise gate would in any way fix the new model cuvave problem??
ps: love the videos man!! Never change!!!!
Just watched JHS' fuzz video yesterday, from several months ago; highly recommend.
Ryan this may be one of the sonically dirtiest vids to date lol, very sludgy and doom all through but the end sir well done. You've found your doom rig 3 pedals 😁 Great video sir. Plus there's room for reverb at the back too. 😉
The Behringer Super Fuzz is hands-down the biggest bang for the buck pedal I ever owned.
I’ll get a Behringer pedal to check out if I like an effect or not on the cheap. I don’t make a living playing guitar so I really don’t need $400 pedals like some of these can cost.
The Berhringer is surprisingly awesome IMO
The green vibrato pedal is amazing.
The JHS Supreme is about 170, I think. Not terrible
it's being blown now out on Sweetwater for $14!
@@eti313 Nice, you can’t really go wrong with a $14 pedal. If you don’t like it, you aren’t out a lot, and you can probably make someone’s day by giving it to them.
Wonderful! I had to watch the whole 50mins; be it in 3 parts! My 2 pence?- The Supreme is darker with a slight top deck. The Behringer has more hi-mids and more compresssed. I'm going for the Behringer, because of the price bracket( I'm a regular muso FFS).
Pepers Pedals makes a really tricked out Hyperfuzz/SF300 based design that has the secret mode on a seperate setting, plus a ton of other improvements. It's called the Humongous Fuzz. might be worth looking into if you want the sounds of the Behringer with even more utility and a nicer build-quality.
Idk... I love the way that Behringer sounds so much more and it's got so much more going on with tone options. That's just me tho.
What a great vid, thanks again!!!
Your videos are proof positive that Fender amps can be used for metal (not that we didn't know already)
Bought the Behringer last year for $19.99 on a Sweatwater special deal. I rehoused it in an aluminum enclosure, and I mean completely desoldered the switches, pots, led, jacks... and brought everything "off board". I turned the cheap slider switch into 3 indepenent mini toggle switches, so you can actually select any or all of the modes all at once (fuzz 1, fuzz 2, and Boost). It now is such a cool looking, mega fuzz monster... and competely road worthy. But... seriously what a total PITA of a project! I have been making and modding guitars and pedals for over 20 years, so I know what I am doing, but wow, I am not doing that again! haha. Glad I did it... but just the once!
I need more baritone stereo fuzz in my life, what a massive sound!
Check out Jack Whites most recent album. Lots of stereo fuzz.
The supreme just sounds naughty. Cannot explain it.
That sustain leading into feedback is just perfect
I bought the Behringer Super Fuzz after watching this and another channel. Great inexpensive pedal and does a lot. Can’t go wrong.
In my neck of the woods here in Canada you just compared a $30 pedal to a $230 pedal. I'll go with the Behringer.
Of course this comes out about 2 weeks after picking up an SF-300! I don’t have the JHS supreme, but I use my SF-300 to attempt late 60’s to very early 70’s tones from Pete Townshend. Another pedal I’m curious about is the Aion fx rift octave fuzz. It’s a univox super fuzz clone inspired by Pete Townshend of The Who!
I’m looking at picking up that kit to build! Seems so very sick!
@@zachary963 if you build one make a video of your experience and how it plays please !
Yes, Superfuzz Madness!! I've had my SF300 for years, love it, sounds killer on bass as well (nails the MCA gratitude tone). Mine sounds better than yours though, but I do have the first issue blue LED version ;)
Ryan, have you tried the Kmise fuzz? It's not too far removed from either of these, and I'm currently using it as my fuzz of choice on my affordaboard.
Mca?
I had my first mustang recently, the vibrato is great when set up properly (thanks to Mike Adams videos for the knowledge)
Which model did you get? I'm curious if I could make a classic vibe surf and stay in tune without replacing much.
Love that mid-scoop tone.
Man...now i wish I would've gotten into Behringer pedals when i picked up guitar as a teenager. Instead of starting off with a Danelectro Fab Distortion and not liking it. Gonna be looking into that super fuzz!
Sneaky secret setting on the Behringer SF300, good shout Ryan letting people know about it. You can’t fault the Behringer SF300 for the low price of above £20 in the UK, I know it’s plastic and a lot of people will turn there noses up at it because of it, for that price it’s a decent sounding fuzz tone, and if you get one just take a bit of extra care with it and it’ll be ok.
JHS Supreme sound quality as with all JHS pedals.
I don't get that mentality, I was at a fair watching some local band a few years ago, who sounded and was playing really good, and I hear the guy behind me say "The guitarist isn't that good, look at his pedal board, it's mostly Behringer and cheap chinese clones"... There are people who judge peoples skill by what brand of pedals they use lol.
@@ogrish76 marketing hype suckers, world's full of them, they actually believe their vulnerability to marketing that drains their income makes them better than those with the wisdom to make their own decisions based on common sense. Brand based self esteem.
Your comparison videos are not long enough I love these videos by the way secondly Josh talked me into buying one of those Behringer superfuzzes the first setting is really cool with the octave in it the second setting seems to be too compressed to me and I used the booster on Debbie's flute part for last song in our new album Jamway Express. , another question I know that they cost an arm and a leg but have you done a video or shoot out yet with those plasma Tesla sort of fuzz distortion pedals I think it's Game Changer audio where your signal is literally turned into a lightning bolt?
Yep! I have a few videos with the plasma pedal.
@@60CycleHumcast Links please.
You got the "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" bass sound on Fantomas' _Director's Cut._ Incredible tune, even more amazing album....
I used to own the behringer clone and the hyper fuzz itself. I actually liked the behringer more for 2 reasons.1) Wider range for the highs. 2) secret mode 1.5 at 8:06 that sounds better in person.
I don’t have the attention span to watch this whole video, BUT I love the Behringer super fuzz. I hope somewhere in this video, he talks about setting 1.5. It’s by far my fave setting.
About 7:40 in
@@jeremymenson bless you, my son
That secret switch sold me!
Both sound good to my ears. Very identical.
I have a lot of pedals and, as you know, usually, you get what you pay for. I'm a amp-in-the-box / preamp overdrive guy. I have a lot of them.
My most expensive ones - the ThorpyFX Scarlet Tunic (Selmer TNB50) and the Aclam Dr. Robert (Vox UL730) - sound amazing.
My reasonably priced ones, Catalinbread 5F6, 55, Nocturne Brain Jr. Barnyard, BearfootFX Gee Wilikers etc. sound great. My cheapest, the Mosky 250, FLAMMA Preamp, Donner Dumbal Drive - these cost next to nothing and are all very, very usable. Their biggest issues are stability and construction, not sound.
That's my feeling on these - they both sound very good. If you're a guitarist on a budget (or just touring - unless you have a heavy foot, drunk stage divers), there is no huge loss in getting yourself the Behringer. It will get the job done. If you can do the 170usd (less used) for the JHS Supreme and are doing a lot of recording - obviously do that.
Using a switching system can also avoid having to step on or touch a pedal like the Behringer playing crazy gigs.
Its an amazing pedal for the price. Especially the 'Secret Mode'
Shhhhhhhhhh
Just for clarity which pedal has the secret mode? I own a SF300, and am quite happy with it, but a secret mode would be cool to check out.
@@Snarkyone1965 , slide the button until is stays between the modes, now you have a mix of the modes.
@32:00 WHOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOO WHOOP!
Baritone time! I love this bit, especially with fuzz . ***THANK YOOOOO***
Just a note that Squier FSR paranormal baritone cabronita telecaster electric guitar in oxblood is not a Sweetwater exclusive. I live in the UK (so Sweetwater is no use to me) and Andertons in the UK has the same model. SO I could buy one ... if I could really justify owning a 6th Baritone guitar 🤭 ( only use 5 tunings )
@48:10 Stereo fuzz on baritone is WAY HUGE and is what I do in my band so this video really felt like home. It doesn't seem to get old at all. I don't have a life where I get paid to play around with guitars and pedals all day so you can envy me for a few seconds before we go back to the normal thing of it being the other way round.
@45:00 I think I'd actually buy this track.
YAY BARITONE!
Oh interesting, i thought it was an exclusive color
Watching Ryan, in the first minute of the video, transform from TH-cam's Surf Rock Guy into TH-cam's Doom Metal Guy.
I have 100 watt Behringer Blue Devil modeling amp, bought for $99 brand new shipped, that is the best $99 I ever spent.
Is that split done with a passive split box or something? Because I didn't think there was any way you could split a signal before a fuzz, and now I'm doing to do this!
I find this comparison to be a bit strange, these are very different circuits, the Univox Superfuzz being the original circuit was an octave fuzz with 2 voicing types, 1 being the pedal's naturally produced voicing and the second a mid scooped voicing (both with octave up). the SF300 is a clone of the boss FZ2, the boss FZ2 was inspired by the univox but was given significant changes that made sound quite different and added a mode that took advantage of the circuit's input stage as a boost and also adding active EQ and employed opamps to create the fuzz gain.
One of your best thanks for the between surf and psychedelic🏄🏻♂️🤪🌼🚀 A bit doomy though
You aren't comparing either to a real Univox Super Fuzz. I owned one many years ago and the tone switch made the guitar sound like breaking glass. Your Behringer is almost always set up a bit quieter than the JHS. A Univox only had two settings and no tone controls. It was much sharper and had more high treble than you are set up with either pedal. I like them both, but the JHS costs about 6 times what the Behringer and doesn't sound twice as good. Not exactly affordaboard material. Sorry, but my money is on the low status Behringer here.
Give me a real one and I'll refilm it
@@60CycleHumcast I wish! Mine died in 1982 and I've never forgotten it. I've been looking for a good clone and your demo made my choice for me. An original had just a 2 position switch, one was regular fuzz, the other was pure insanity that sounded like nothing else I've ever heard. You really need to decide to use that sound, use it intentionally. Great chaos.
I’ll build you one that costs more than the JHS one and can cause the apocalypse
It's almost comical, the first time you hit the setting switch on the original Superfuzz circuit between the midrangey setting and ultra scooped. I've built one myself. Probably sounds near identical to a real one. I happened to even have the transistors Univox liked to use back then, 2sc828, though mine may have been slightly higher gain (likely not much of an audible difference). The scooped setting is insanity, no doubt. The switch simply skips the voltage divider, which brings up the volume before the EQ circuit scoops it like crazy, so the settings are somewhat the same volume, otherwise the midrange setting would be something like twice as loud as the scooped setting.
The SF300 is soo brutal... I love it. Everytime I rig this thing up I get a big smile on my face.... Best 20 buck ever spent! And the "secret" in between setting is a nice bonus. 20 bucks...you just can't go wrong....
Oops, sorry, brain freeze, I was on your vid about Beato’s blue double cut, guess the fuzz extends to my brain, lol… please carry on….
stereo rig sounds SO GOOD must listen with headphones
The behringer is a clone of the boss FZ-2 which borrows a bit of its circuit (mostly the octave fuzz part) from the super fuzz. The high and low controls are a similar circuit to the boss GE-7 graphic EQ actually, but just two bands instead of 7.
I am a bit confused: based on a very good list of Behringer pedals, the SF300 is a clone of the BOSS FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz. Does this mean that the FZ-2 is also a clone of the Univox Super Fuzz? I though there is a lot of differences between the Univox and the BOSS pedals. It is a pity the FZ-2 was not available for comparison.
Well :) I did not think you were the stoner doom metal type lol NExt time were are going to see you play Wlectric Wizard on the channel :P The Behringer is like the Boss FZ-2 , it is more hifi sounding that the superfuzz , which is better in a band setting. The Superfuzz will get drowned out quite fast, just like a big muff
Blues Theme, very cool. I wonder how many listeners know of this song. ✌🏼
I do
Love the Arrows, love 60's / 70s biker movies!
I remember Davis Allan and the Arrows!!! Still have my Blues Theme single. Still a bitchin’ song.
I remember when around 2010 I went to the biggest guitar shop in PL, I asked about SF300, they checked in the system they have it somewhere... 15min later I was diving head first into a insanely big box of Behringer effects, like a particularly high inflatable pool really, in search of SF300 along one of the workers. He was repeatedly asking if it has to be SF300, and I said it has to :P I've had several Behringers since, and a lot of other effects since, both budget and pricey ones, and I say SF300 along VD400 Vintage Delay (analog on BBD chips!) are 2 essential Behringers everyone should have!
i got the behringer a while a go as a bass pedal but now im curious to using it on my guitar!
41:33 Isn't the sustained growl of fuzz so incredibly satisfying? Very good demo
13:34 - "This is what everyone's been waiting for!"
No, no we're waiting for the stereo baritone!
For a variation on these, check out the Friedrich Effects Unpleasant Companion and its variants. You also get to hear some awesome Jesus & Mary Chain tones, which is what I like--anything from the alienating squeal of "Upside Down" to the loathing assault of "Something I Can't Have." Hearing loss has never been so much fun!
The good side of having no money is that I don't even need a shoot out. It's behringer for me always baybeee
The secret setting on the Behringer has some HM2 splat and heft. It doesn't quite seem to have that crossover distortion thing though.
To my ear the JHS just sounds more three dimensional. Probably something to do with the mids, IDK. Wish you had spent more time with JHS mod engaged and mid-scoop disengaged. I yelled ffs at the tv for that. Fun video though :) Adding the avalanche run was a stroke of genius.
Ryan I was wondering what kind of power supply you're using for your pedals. I bought three Behringer pedals from Sweetwater and they didn't work with my power supplies. The tech at Sweetwater got me a Behringer wall wart for the pedals but it's difficult to run them on my pedal board without a power block that's compatible. Which kind do you use sir any info is greatly appreciated.
I've been using my onespot single wall adapter. I'm sure there are other companies out there like Planet Waves that would work. Just make sure the specs match your pedals.
I use only fuzz for my dirty tones (because fuzz is fun) and out of my four fuzzes - JHS 3, JRR Ram Triangle Big Muff, MAS Effect Tiny Fuzz, Behringer Superfuzz - the Behringer is by far the heaviest and meanest. If I want to pretend to play metal, I use the Behringer.
The price of behringer pedals are so low that for the price of one "brand name" pedal you can buy 2-4 behringers. I'd love to see a comparison of (for example) behringer eq+fuzz+octaver vs jhs fuzz
I own the FZ-2, SF300, and have also built the boost mode of the FZ-2 in opamp and discrete amplifying format. SF300 is basically a FZ-2 work alike. SF300's front end is BJT's and opamps, cheap SMD variants in my 300. My FZ-2 offers discrete amplifying as seen on the front end of the BD-2, etc which utilize JFETS. Most of the rest of the SF300 circuit mirrors the FZ-2 with cheaper SMD alternatives. Most of the differences in the FZ-2 vs SF300 are at the input and amplifying stages. The noise floor on my Boss is much lower as well, as the Boss is over engineered, Low Impedance caps on the power rail help, as well as the low noise Toshiba JFETS of the Boss sure contribute, which the SF300 can't match.
So the rule is to put fuzz before any buffered pedal. Does that apply to this pedal? Do I need to put it before my tu-3 tuner? I am for now, but it bothers me psychologically to not have the tuner first in the chain lol
sounds like electric wizard, some of my favourite tones ever
Awesome!
That is all nice and fine, but where is the drip in those fuzzes?
Waiting for the drippy fuzz now …🤔😎🍺🍺
ive played my fuzz. time after time. ive cranked the amp. but committed no crime. and fuzz mistakes. ive made a few. ive had my share of fuzz complaints. but ive come through. we are the fuzzers. my friends. and we'll keep on fuzzin. til the end. we are the fuzzers. we are the fuzzers. no time for clean tones. cause we are the fuzzers. of the world.
For the Behringer SF300 you need to select and configure the amplifier correctly. With your setup, all the pedals sound rich and have a punchy bottom end. Plugging the Behringer SF300 into several amps I got a ton of highs, loss in the mix, and boomy lows. So it seemed to me that the Behringer SF300 is rather capricious in relation to the rest of the tract.
I love that guitar and it has a Mustang vibrato!
I have to get that JHS now. Damn
The guyatone TZ2 is another superfuzz based pedal, two controls no options for tone adjustment. More of the scooped mids can of bees type of sound.
I had one, I don’t remember how it sounded.
Still have mine and, yep, that's the description - weirdly these are going for some coin now🤷🏾♂️
Always think the mod switches on the JHS should be on the right if you’re running it first in the chain. In an ideal world I’d love to be able to control those options at my feet, just for fun.
THAT is a REALLY good point👏
Very good point! Also 96 percent of the people are right handed and control their stomp boxes with their right hand.
@JHS Pedals I think you should see this thread
Supreme goes straight to the point with simple adjustments. And yes, it sounds better than the behringer. I have both
Oh wow, yeah I noticed that "bump" between modes 1 and 2 but didn't bridge the 2 until just now. Its definitely a nice 'accident', especially for bass players
That is the single most crushing stoner-doom tone I have ever heard in my life.
they are on sale for $14 at Sweetwater.
Is that wiggly tremolo possible on a strat?
Twenty minutes into a fifty minute video: "This video is a lot longer than it needs to be." NEVER! My love of octave fuzz on bass having been sparked by a Joyo Voodoo Fuzz, I was considering saving up to get a JHS Supreme. Now I think I'll just get a Behringer! Sorry, Mr. Scott! Maybe I'll save up for a Cheese Ball instead.
I got the joyo and behringer, hard to choose between the two for bass!
@@edgarmezavids I guess I'll have to stack one into the other... AT CHURCH!
@@Michael-fl9ge A place where older guys go to play music they aren't especially interested in but at least it's playing music in a band that doesn't involve loading up gear at 2 AM.
@@uvulapie I've started doing smaller afternoon gigs, with just a a couple of 10" midtown, instead of a four way pa, amp rack and control tower. Life is fun again, go with the ageing flow lol.
I want a Cheese Ball…
I Love you Ryan x
try the 5 position! its awesome! 2+boost setting
I wonder what would happen if you stack 2 sf300 after another and switch on the boost on one of them :)
Like you, I sold mine after not knowing how to use it because I thought it would be like a big muff. I want another one so bad now.
One question. Are you the model for the blonde beardy guy from the memes?
Yes.
@@60CycleHumcast I thought so. As soon as I saw you I thought "I know that guy from somewhere".
I'm not actually, but there is a strong resemblance. So its fun to say 'Yes."
I should get some behringers.
Also I think these two pedals are the same sound with a different eq profile? Maybe with an eq pedal after it could match the supreme
Can do you the same to the jhs fuzz legends plugin pedal and compare it to the jordan boss tone buzz tone?
The JHS supreme has been the one fuzz from that line up that has tempted me the most. this video did not help at all. bahaha. awesome run through as usual.
But, will it chug?
Whoops! Wrong channel😂
It chugged
I have both. I got the sf300 first. I think it's a better pedal that's more useable than the supreme
Forget a band, just get EZ Drummer, load up some loops, and do some stereo fuzz baritone doom-surf noodling!