"Isn't is amazing how we hear things differently with the labels removed?" Wow. One of several great quotes in this video. You dropped some serious wisdom today:)
@@DannyG-cv8so I think that people hallucinate their reality using a model, which was trained to be as close as possible to reality, from birth. Sometimes the model doesn't work, like in optical illusions or a magician's tricks. Military training of "muscle memory" augments the model. Advertising copy changes the model.
It was actually pretty cathartic to hear someone actually get the financial situation a lot of us are left dealing with right now lol good shit, Glenn!
Coming from the audiophile and production world, every time I see a guitar pedal comparison, especially low gain overdrive, I keep thinking that the only difference is EQ. "But they're different topologies!!" Yeah well I can still EQ one into sounding like the other.
There is no way that all of these bands this guy is talking about are using Marshalls out of pure hyperbole. Now this guy is like a stopped clock. He's right twice a day.that and he's a Canuck. One More thing people the internet can make you see and hear anything.
Love your perspective on the cost of everything, (cost of living), for young people today. You have sized it up bluntly while hitting all the bases."It is what it is" to not get too political. I'm 65, and have gone through it all with life. I'm glad I hung on to my Marshall 1987x and cab, along with my guitars.
shortly after your video on the 6505 + I came across a used one for 350 euros at the local store. Negotiated for 300 and brought it home. Plugged it in my Orange cabinet and was very happy with the results, I'll never thank you enough for that
I have played different Bugera amps for over a decade, never had any issues other than people asking me what I was using. The most complimented amp I have is the 333XL, the infinium tech is super handy while touring, and if anyone steals it, I can easily replace it. Replaceable, easy to maintain, sounds great live. PS: 16:00 "I love doing these videos and turning you on"
I have the 333 XL, 1990, AND 1960, love all 3. I had a T50 that once I paired it with a good speaker and what not sounded better than initially did. People LOVE to shit on Bugera, but as you said, Infinium is amazing, and after 2010 / 2011 when they had fire issues simply from using sub par connectors on the power rail, they have been great amps. People don't get QC issues exist everywhere, just the ones you pay more for you see less because they catch them early before sending them out. lol
@@DroneShotFPV I have a jvm410, a jcm2000, an '83 jcm800, a XXX, an engl blackmore 100, and a rockerverb 50 mk3... But I also have two pre infinium 6260s, they absolutely hold their own and their build quality isn't really any worse than any other brand. I'd even say it's better than some. I've had all of my amps open at some point or another. Either to repair them, bias them, or mod them. I think a lot of the early bugeras that shipped out were either biased incorrectly, or not biased at all and that's where most of the failures came from. Both of them came from the factory biased so insanely hot it was like, "of course they melted, how could they not? They're set to like 95% dissipation." Combine that with a lot of inexperienced tube amp owners, many of whom this was their first tube amp, piss poor or just plain wrong maintenance instructions from bugera, and you have the makings of a lot of failures.
@@countzero5150 I can see that being a problem as well, I didn't know they were hot biased from factory, but it was also proven that the molex connection on the power input to the board was bad, or a cab capacitor or mosfet, and that was causing fires. Not on ALL of them, but some.. Regardless, I still love my Bugeras and would buy another! I was wanting a 6262 or the Tri Rec, hard pressed to find those at a great price currently.
@@nicholasdasilva5699 ✌️at least someone else knows. I use the X100B every day. As for the Bugara I think they’re made by Beringer 🤔 who make decent gear.
4 things I've learned about amps (in my experience). 1. Speakers can absolutely make the difference. 2. Settings matter just as much as speakers. 3. Simple is King. 4. More often than not, if you can't get the sound you want it likely has more to do with your playing than the amp.
I dunno what playing has to do with it?! Unless one is piss-poor at playing! If u hand any adequate player ie. Hetfield's rig, the person WILL get the 'Tallica sound! Playing is just the icing on the cake.
@@MaximusAdonicus The equipment will be the same but you will not sound like James playing through his rig. If Eddie Van Halen played through your rig he would still sound like Eddie Van Halen. The fact you don't understand this tells me you either haven't been playing that long or still need a lot of practice.
I use an 80's 2203 and I love it so damn much! Unfortunately they are expensive but they are fucking killer and rock solid. I can't agree with Glen here.
@@CristelDevriezeMN It means that this video will cause the demand for these amps to go up (because more people will be shopping for them), which means the price will go up, since the supply will not increase. It's simple Supply & Demand economics.
I watched a lot of tone comparisons while making dinner, and not looking at the videos. I could never tell the differences between pickups and amps, so I don't worry about getting expensive stuff.
Used to work at a shop. We had a little Bugera Infinium behind the counter that was our test amp. People used to ask all the time what I was playing through because it sounded so good. Always blew their mind when I told them.
In a world full of decade+ long TH-camrs who started out reviewing things us plebs can afford and have evolved into "Look at this Thing. You should buy this, it's the best!" and a quick search shows it at 2-3-4 thousand f**king dollars, it is refreshing to see SOMEONE who is trying to legitimately help us poors find good shit at even better prices. Thanks.
I’m not even a metal player, don’t really listen to it, but I appreciate it. I love this channel because it shows you that money doesn’t equal tone. During the A/B/C comparison, there was really little if any difference, not major enough to justify spending hundreds/thousands of dollars more. Keep up the good work!
~None~ of this "equals tone" because this is actually about TIMBRE, not tone. Tone is pitches (triTONE pentaTONic etc) not "the sound character" of an instrument.
@shaft9000 This isn't about a dictionary definition of the word "tone." Have you ever heard of the phrase "in the vernacular"? "Tone" when said by guitarists in the vernacular... means the sound, how pleasing or displeasing it is, and it is subjective... not objective.
Me neither - I almost predate metal. The video did make me think that a lot of these tube amps are extremely similar and I should fix my old Sears Silvertone tube amp.
when I was in an active band I bought a used bugera 6262 which is pretty much a copy of the Peavey 6505... Got mocked for the brand but as soon as people heard it.....I still got mocked because it said Bugera on the front. Loved the damn thing. These days living in an apartment I can't justify using it so it's in my mom's basement back in my childhood home. Great memories of playing live with that thing though.
@@vorpalblades if there's one thing this channel has taught me is the power of a good "fuck you!" to the people who spout shit about the brands we use or not xD
The problem with this video is you can't actually find these amps for $256. In fact, you can't find them at all. And if you do, they're more like $1000. This video won't help matters either.
In America if you search a half dozen classified ad systems at least every other day, these deals are out there. Gear for a price steal isn't anywhere nearly as scarce as it seems, *but you also really need to know what to buy which is why the video focused on an amp made in China for the parent company, Behringer.* *I'm a college educated electrical/electronics engineer which literally means a scientist, and these channels that promote gear for whatever reason are extremely touchy about my posts.* In general, valves are a grossly overpriced technology so I understand your frustration. I have 2 all tube heads and while I love them, there are a lot more favorable features from my army of solid-state amps and I am a shred and sweep style guitarist, so couple that with an engineer and my standards are incredibly high.
There are 5150 III 15 watt heads, for $300-$400 on Reverb, but most of the good prices are local pickup. The shipping ones, start at $480 +50shippimg. Bugera’s can be found, but it isn’t easy to find them, and shipped for what Glenn is saying.
@@CorbCorbin there was a high end metal version of an Infinium on MusiciansFriend early yesterday for $299, I snoozed on it then realized what a fuck up it would be not buying it, went to order it last night and it was gone! SOB!! The deals are there and they're actually frequent but if it's something *SPECIFIC* you desire, always leap right on it. *Case in point is I prefer a lot of solid-state traits over valves even though I love both and blending a semiconductor stompbox with an all tube amp, but I found a Crate GX1200H halfstack for $150 in April and bought it without thinking once let alone twice.* It's a 3-legged mutt in a race against greyhounds in the grand view, but I have a formal background in the science of engineering so a few simple mods to the vast majority of Crate solid-states produced since around the early 90's proves them to be one of the ultimate solid-state sleepers. *Meanwhile, the 4x12 Crate cabinet is nearly 30 years old but the speakers were never actually broken in until I bought it and knew the specifics for how to do it!* They are mediocre speakers in the grand scheme but when x4 and after you break them in really well, ultimately still *perform* at a level relative to Eminence and Celestions. I'm just happy that the Infiinium I snoozed on it's eating at me like I expected. I bought a Carvin V3 for just over $500 earlier this year though and ultimately would bet the particular infinium I snoozed too long on would be more exacting in terms of what I desire from any technology in an amplifier.
When I got a promotion I decided that after years of walking into music stores and asking “What can I get for $X” I could finally walk in and say “here is what I want, show it to me and I have cash.” I finally settled on an EVH 5150iii 2x12. I brought it home and played it. I loved it! I send a video to my friend and he replied “congrats you just spent $1800 to sound like you always do.” 😂 I will say I used to spend hours to get a good sound out of the equipment I could afford where as with this amp I have trouble finding a sound I DON’T like. So for me it’s a win.
sounds like a good friend you should consult BEFORE succumbing to GAS, but that would be in a perfect world - shoulda coulda woulda. - but if you're happy, you're happy!
I have the same EVH 50W combo 212… I paid about 1500 for it new and there’s nothing that even comes close to how good this amp sounds… Did I pay too much… absolutely… But after having this amp for about three or four years, I haven’t played anything in the neighbourhood that sounds as good as it does. You can also go anywhere from 50 W all the way down to one , and it sounds great on every level!
"Nothing will ever sound like a real tube amp!" unless the tube amp comes with a logo that somebody on the internet made fun off before. Great video, like always!
I play in the band The Mentors. I Own a Bugera Bulldog logo 1960. I own 4 Marshall JMP’s, 2 OG 5150’s, 70s Ampeg V4, newer 5150 legacy, 4 80s Randall RG 120’s and a few Masa Amps. I bought mine for 300. Close out deal. I gig with my Bugera. At first I put it in a white Marshall box I bought off Craigslist just to match to have a full size head. Everyone thought it was a modified Marshall. I just put it back in its original box not to long ago. A lot of Professionals touring guitar players loved it and tripped out when I told the. F what people think. The tone is there.
I used to have a Bugera 1960. I don’t know why but it blew up. I used it concurrently with a Marshall JCM 900. I don’t know why but that amp blew up too. I thought both of them sounded different, but amazing. My favorite thing about the 1960 was the Randy Roads cascaded gain mod. When I plugged my Epiphone Les Paul Custom into the input, I could swear at the time it sounded just like Diary Of A Madman. Great times!
I stopped looking at the badge on the amp about 7 years ago. I stumbled across a Chinese brand named Wangs. (Insert p-nis joke here). I bought 3. A 5 watt microhead, a Fender bandmaster based head, and a handwired amp based on a Marshall 2204 (Marshall never hand wired this model). All 3 of these amps cost me about $1500 CAD at the time. They also make a hand wired plexi clone and a couple of Dumble clones for you clean fans. 😉
Pretty sure this amp was mine a few years ago, I live in New York and sold it to some guy. I was planning to retolex it and slap on a classic Plexi badge, still have the badge around here somewhere actually.
The greatest and best BBC presenter of the Old Grey Whistle Test. Whispering Bob was loved by at least a generation of teens and twenty-somethings looking for music from beyond the mainstream, and the engineers on that show were some of the best ever. First place I heard Lynnyrd Skynnrd, Yes, ZZ Top, Rammstein, Grand Funk Railroad and many others. And with the added bonus that Bob isn't doing time for touching kids, unlike so many of his colleagues at the BBC.
I am just beginning my guitar journey at 52. I'm one broke puppy and all my stuff is budget from my amps to my pedals. In my opinion I can get some really decent tones, save 1 amp that I'm going to get rid of not going to name names but it's very popular. Sorry for my rambling but my point is I have learned with many different products that sometimes the major labels aren't worth a crap.
I love watching your videos about cheap gears. It helps a peasant like me to buy what i can afford.. unlike those other youtubers that only recommend named brand stuffs..
I’ve got a 100w Marshall DSL from the 2010s, picked it up in almost mint condition for $600, and it absolutely rips. The clean channel cranked (with an attenuator) into a greenback 1x12 sounds absolutely massive. It’s also proper pcb and pretty well laid-out so it’ll be easy to repair and mod. I’m still saving to get enough good speakers to put in the 4x12 I’ve got so I can play with a drummer unmiked.
I picked up a Bugera Tri-Rec because I didn't want to take my real Mesa Triple Rectifier to a club and have a drunk spill beer on it or break my $4000 amp. I spent a total of about $500 on the Amp used and well its the same amp. Too bad they discontinued it since it is a great 3 channel bar gigging and outdoor show amp!
I own a JCM head and a pair of 1960s. I got them cheap and it does me great. Unfortunately, I’m not a boomer so can’t afford a house, so might take the speakers out of the bottom cab and live in it.
@HauntedGuitarMan this has been confirmed by Mike Soldano and independently by Dave Friedman. Rev A dual rec is a ripped off slo preamp value for value on its circuit. Check out tone talk with Mike for full details. 5150 is a SLO with an extra gain stage.
@@lg5669 cool lol. I was just yanking for fun. I believe it though. Funny enough the amp i want the most is the slo 20w. I had a jet city slo copy that ruled. Should’ve never sold it.
I paid for a used Marshall Valvestate 265 with chorus for $250 Canadian.. Sounds better than my 800 & 900 Marshall hands down! The secret was to turn the effect loop knob up all the way, and you get all that single 12AX7 tube preamp tone goodness... Try it Glen, i know you have one in your collection!
I remember plugging into a JCM 800 back in the day in a music store and was very unimpressed. At the time, I didn't realize you had to crank these non master volume amps to push the power tubes into that sweet overdrive the amps were known for. When I was a teenager in the mid 80s, the amp I coveted most was a Marshall half stack of some sort. Had I been able to afford one back then, I would never have been able to turn it up loud enough to make it sound good. A few years back I purchased a 1974 JMP 100w super lead with a 1960b bottom cab loaded with Vintage 30s and G12-65s in a cross pattern. It is the loudest amp I've ever played through in my life. If I don't run it through my Boss tube amp expander, people 2 counties away will call the cops. Having said that, when I do run it through the attenuator with both channels jumped, the channel 1 volume at around 6 and the channel two volume between 1 and 2 it is an amazing sounding amp. It sounds like . I do agree that the eq on this amp does practically nothing. Very little difference between 0 and 10 on any of the eq controls. I would love to run this head through a 1960a cab loaded with greenbacks.
One of the most disappointing things for me ever was the time I went to play through a JCM-800 in the early 90's and it was a flubby crappy sounding mess. Little did I know that the metal bands I loved that played these amps were boosting them with a TS-9 or SD-1 to get the tones that I loved. Idk why it was such a secret back in the 80's and 90's but I didn't discover the whole boost thing until late 90's I believe. I always relied on a distortion pedal or tube preamp to get the heavily distorted and tight tones I wanted until then. I also don't know why the salesman at the guitar stores never recommended using a boost with the JCM-800 back then either, you would think they would have seen a long haired kid into metal and have them try a boost so they could have made a sale.
@@admgloval Our access to information back then wasn't quite what it is today. I've learned that another pedal those guys paired with the JCM 800 quite often was the Proco Rat.
@@admgloval me too. I owned a JCM 800 head for about 2 weeks thinking I was going to be in Slayer country right off the bat. I didn’t understand why the hell I would need an overdrive or distortion when the guy was trying to sell me one. I thought he was trying to just sell me add ons. I was annoyed I needed a distortion pedal to make it sound how I wanted. Kinda wish I knew back then what I know now!
@@J2Metal Hey, at least your salesman suggested using an overdrive with it, the store I tried out the JCM-800 in didn't even bother. The salesman talked the amp up like it was the greatest amp for metal but when I plugged in and cranked it, it didn't have the tight saturated sound I was looking for, was all flubby and classic-rock sounding. I had zero knowledge of tube amps at this time, the amp I owned was a Crate solid state amp with not that great distortion so I was using a Digitech GSP-2101 with it for what I considered at that time to be better sounding distortion. Later on I bought an ADA MP-1 along with a 4x12 and a solid state power amp and that was a great sounding tone compared to the Digitech. In the early 2000's, I upgraded to a Mesa Triaxis and 2:90 power amp which I still own and use to this day, awesome amp and does not need an OD pedal to get that tight saturated metal tone. I became friends with a dude around this time who owned several Marshalls including a JCM-800 and he was using a Boss SD-1 with it and I finally heard the tone I had been looking for back in the early 90's. Even then no one really talked about using an OD pedal with a Marshall to get that tight saturated tone, it was like it was some secret of the sages or something, hah hah.
@@admgloval I was in the same boat man. I owned a Crate combo and didn’t know anything about tube amps and at the time there wasn’t 2000 videos about the secret sauce of how to make a JCM800 sound like I felt it should. So I stuck with Crate never knowing I sold what could have been a great amp if I’d known a little more!
A Bugera 1960 is every bit as good as any vintage, “worshipful” Marshall Plexi. Bugera later addressed their lousy builds, and my 3 are still 100% ten-plus years after purchasing.
On the reveal I was right that the "B" amp was the vintage Marshall. TBH on the rhythm sounds I agree there wasn't a significant difference and couldn't have called it out just based on that. However, on the lead playing, the vintage amp really had a sweet singing voice that the others couldn't keep up with. That said what's it worth to a player? Up to them!
As an amp tech, I can verify you should avoid Bugera amps. Why? Because when it breaks - and it WILL break - your friendly local amp tech like me will likely refuse to take it in and fix it. Why? Because the cost of a repair will likely exceed the actual value of the amp, and because the minute a tech touches an amp, he owns the problems. Not fun. If you want a good long term amp, save your change and buy the Marshall instead. The old one. The real one. Not this new crap they've been churning out the last 30 years.
The thing with the 800 that I think a lot of people dont realize...the circuit was designed to have a lot of treble. And if you're hoping to play anything more aggressive than late 70s/early 80s hard rock, you need a boost/OD. I didn't realize this either. Thats why I was disappointed the first time I plugged into an 800.
I wonder if that carried over with the 900. I have the Bugera 1990, it doesn't do modern high gain like Disturbed stuff but it kills classic Megadeth tones IMO.
I'd read that JCM's weren't "designed to have a lot of treble', but that the transformer makes it sound different running on another voltage standard than native 220.
@@shaft9000 That may well be the case. People were always telling me though that I shouldn't complain about the treble because that's a characteristic of the JCM 800 circuit. I don't know. Maybe a 6 band or 10 band eq would make it sound better. Lambchopper seems to be getting great tines from his SC20H and he uses an eq.
@@AdamsOlympia I bought one new a few years ago? It took a year to deliver, tied 1 site for 400€, canceld after 6 month after I saw it back on thomann for 300€ (new !). It's amazing, already jumpered and cascade input option, effects loop, bypassable ppi master volume, you can use 2 tubes instead of 4 and put any power tube you want (like 2 6v6 you get a 20w plexi). Deal of the century. also it has tons of gain
I've been using vintage Marshalls and Hiwatts for bass onstage and in the studio for decades. On a whim I bought a Bugera 1960 off the local CL for $250. Best money I ever spent ! ❤
I did this 30 years ago. I found a buzzy 5150 combo, took out the Chinese tubes, and put in vintage ones. I then put a Hot Plate on it. It sounds KILLER!
I'm still rocking a Pre-Infineum Bugera 333XL (2008, 1st year - self fixed for reliability). Learning to care for it and swapping the cab with a $114, used, beat to heck, 80s Peavey 412M with Celestion GK85s has become my goto sound since 2009. Killed my gas for amps/cabs. Have recorded an EP, 3 albums, and been in six bands and hundreds of gigs with that setup. Only complaint I ever got was a biased sound man who refused to mic it after "hearing" with his eyes - he mic'd the next time after I got complimented on it at the last show un-miced and showed I know how to use a volume knob.
WE young people are facing. Not "Us". One of the difficulties you're (not 'your') facing is the English language. I know... words are hard... but "Us" doesn't do something... "We" do something. Same thing with "Me and my girfriiend/boyfriend.. It's my XYZ and I . Why? "Me" doesn't do something..."I" do something.. "Me had lunch" is how a 2 yr old might communicate.
Gleeeeeeennn! Serious comment, please read & consider: Instead of getting two huge amps for around 300 bucks each to cover 2 iconic sounds, wouldn't it be rather good advise for people to get a Bluguitar Amp1 Iridium instead? I'ts much lighter, less maintenance, more switching & sound options and most importantly much more convenient. Channel #2 delivers the Marshal thingy while channel #4 delivers the rectifier-esque stuff. Revv purple Sound (chan. #3) as Bonus! Of course, it only has a nanotube/class D powerstage and transistor preamp... but no one should care, it sounds and feels undistinguishable from full-tube amps. Thomas is indeed a Genius!
After several years I finally got to hear Celestion Greenbacks against the Vintage 30s up close and I fell in love with the Greenbacks. Maybe because I grew up with the second wave of British heavy metal? They had soul. It added the splash of rock n roll enveloped R&B I’d been missing. It wasn’t just crunch, crunch, crunch all night long. Don’t be afraid of a little soul, guys.
First time Ive watched , will be a long term watcher . Love your takes , especially on amps ,( tube ,and otherwise ) I have stopped being a MARSHALLS GUY ,and have an amazing BUGERA collection ,a 1960 infinium , etc. Keep us informed !!!
Behringer products are fascinating. They're either really amazing for the price, or they make us want to rollback our evolution til we're neanderthals with clubs. I have a 4x12 from Behringer, it's amazing. I also have a 4 channel mixer from Behringer and only one of the channels work :3
Hi Glenn just to clarify on the Judas Priest bit Performing at the BBC. The footage you used is from a show called The Old Gray Whistle Test. It was a show that covered a lot of live music from bands from a lot of Genres. It wasn’t a show that had audiences as the studio that the bands played in was awkwardly small so no need to hand out ear plugs to the public but maybe to staff and crew. This brings me to my second point. As everyone, including camera men were literally on top of each other most bands had issues with gear for one reason or another. Also due to the space they were in, acoustics were tricky as a lot of bands found and therefore had to make all sorts of adjustments to deal with this. Top Of The Pops on the other hand was another shit show all of its own. Plenty of stories of bands not being able to play live, only in some incidents allow live vocals only, which didn’t go down too well ( see Nirvana performance.). Also Bob Harris was and is a good bloke with a wealth of band and music knowledge. He and John Peel are legends who pushed a lot of unknowns to where the public would get a chance to hear them. Really feel bad when You start to sound like one of “those” guitarists and bassist you get on here. 🤟
Addendum: judas Preist possibly wouldn’t have been on the show if it wasn’t for people like Mr Harris. Please do a bit more research before you slag someone to the ground.
Marshall origin series are pretty nice, stick a boost/overdrive in front of it. They’ve got up in price like everything else too though. 50w head was $450 new back when I got one. Basically sold it years later for the same amount. 😂
I've never bought a tube amp and have a 2k cad maximum price limit for a new guitar. Plus I live in Nova Scotia where we have 15 percent tax. I also have a 'get one give one' gear philosophy because aquisition of gear for the sake of just getting more is wasteful. Even though I can afford to just let gear gather dust, i grew up poor and donate stuff i dont use.
I'm a bass player and my gig rig for the past six years is a used orange terror bass 500 and a $200 Bugera 115 500 Watt cab. I recently picked up I used Darkglass micro tubes 500 and can't wait to pair it with that cab live. I love that cab and I get a lot of compliments on my tone. I love cheap gear, you can buy more of it!!
I've personally owned two Bugera tube amps. A V5 and V22. I purchased both in 2016. The V5 still works like new. The V22 died in 2021. I still use the V22 as a 1x12 cab sometimes. To be fair, it saw a lot of action. Five solid years of gigs and rehearsals out of a brand new $350 tube amp is nothing to complain about. I've also played smaller gigs with the V5. They're both a great value.
I love when amps based on expensive Marshall’s end up being more money than expensive Marshall’s. Looking at you Friedman Amplification. About the Bugera: I honestly want one for a bass amp. Kohle did a video on one and got this fuzzy, but solid bass sound out of it. Even got a bit of Lemmy out of it.
Bob Harris is a British Legend, Check out the Old Grey Whistle Test. He helped introduce great music to the UK fans launching a lot of legendary bands!
Yup, good 'ol Whispering Bob. He put out a book and there's some good anecdotes in there. Like the time Keith Richards showed up for an interview with a 2/3 full bottle of Jack. By the end of the interview it was gone and Bob was amazed that Keith barely seemed affected. Later that evening, when they went out for dinner, Keith poured half an envelope full of cocaine on the restaurants glass table oblivious to the stares from all the patrons. Explains why the booze didn't seem to affect him. Then there was the night Bob was in a pub with a friend and a bunch of punk rockers, including Sid Vicious, decided to attack him and his friend with broken bottles. Bob had some bruises and cuts, but his friend had a bad cut in the head and wrist and was found in a pool of blood. According to Bob, Sid seeing the condition of Bob's friend was what stopped Vicious from gashing him in the face with the bottle. He's had some adventures
I LOVE how many social issues you managed to bring up at the start of this video. Don't get me wrong, I'm a knucklehead guitarist but all those issues you spoke of are issues I wanna see resolved, and not for me, but for people younger than me.
I'd love to see you try out the Marshall DSL Series they're a pretty decent price and they sound great, Ola did a video on the 1 watt head and it sounded awesome and there's a guy called LambChopper678 who has made tons of videos using the 20 watt head and he's able to get a bunch of different tones out of it.
I have a DSL100H and enjoy playing it and now even more after I replaced the speakers with V30’s and the sound completely different to the speakers it came with. But yes they are very decent amps.
Same! I have a DSL20 that I ran through a 1x12 orange with a v30. Something just didn't do it for me so I swapped the speaker to a DV77. Bought an ENGL Fireball 25 a few years ago and swapped the speaker back to a v30. Zero complaints. Both amps are awesome, but I just needed some different speaker combos.
I was born in 82 and all of my influences came from the 80s and 90s. I'm also a bonehead guitarist because I've played almost nothing but Randall and B.C Rich since about 95🤷😂😂😂😂 I'll never change
I own a bugera, and the infinium has a system where you can use unmatched tubes, and even mix tubes (eg, mix 6L6 and EL34). It takes care of the biasing automatically. Plus it will tell you when tubes go bad.
I picked up a Rogue Tuberider 100 MVT1000FT head at a used store for $50 about 10 or so years ago. This thing screams, and blows away most of my friend’s Marshalls. Sounds even better now that I’ve swapped out my speakers. Thanks Glenn!!
I used a Bugera 5150 clone on my Carcass Heartwork tone recreation. I got great feedback from my subs. The bad rap they got on forumland were usually from the speakers.
The big rumor was the fabled flaming Bugera. For the longest time, if someone suggested a Bugera in forums, it was always, "Those things catch on fire." I don't think there is a single documented case of a Bugera just bursting into flames on stage, lol.
@@travisspaulding2222 it was the first run of amps that had a molex connector in the power supply rails that connected the transformer to the PCB. Those connectors could come undone just a smidge and create huge resistance, leading to it melting. They fixed it by soldering the cables directly to the PCB, in the subsequent amps. The Infinium line is mostly trouble free from burning, but it is a tube amp and can suffer from standard tube amp ailments, these happen whether you paid 256 bucks or 10 thousand.
@@JohnWiku Yeah, I'm aware of the melting issue, but the stories were ridiculous. All of a sudden everyone had a friend that was at a show, or had a Bugera that caught fire, but this "friend" never once posted about it, or no one had a video of it?
@@travisspaulding2222 pre-infinium fix cut the molex connector so the 1st wire isnt in it anymore, (the plastic might be brown at the bottom around that wire) pull the female internal pin out (depin) with the wire still attached..... yes, you dont even need to cut the wire or solder and bend the male pin on the board down & away a bit..... reconnect wire without the plastic..... the fix is literally free wrap it in electrical tape or even paint it with nail polish if you want to get fancy. but half the guitar community doesnt know what end of the screwdriver goes in their nose often they cant anyway cuz their nose is so high up in the air
I live in Tecumseh Ontario, I think 8 minutes away from this guy. I have a few cousins who live in Tilbury! We call that place "tickleberry", and "tillbillies" live there lol.
One guitarist I liked had songs that went from a fender clean sound to a dual rectifier sound. Listening to the recordings I always thought he used both amps. Turns out, since the MB power section circuit is based on the Twin Reverb circuit, all he did was kick on a dual rec pedal. The point I'm trying to say is; If the amps color and amplify your sound the same way, they will sound the same. The only difference is what frequency the tone knobs are made to effect, and where the compression/distortion is applied in relation to that in a circuit.
Those Bugera 1960 is the loudest thing I’ve plugged into good gravy it was awesome, the 1990 is also good deal. Used the 1990 for many years years was great work horse amp.
I bought an Marshall Origin 20 during lockdown and it's a fantastic amp. All tube and plenty loud enough. You can get plexi adjacent sounds from it and combined with a power soak you can run it at full tilt without pissing off the neighbours too much.
I once saw Pat Travers playing a Bugera. He sounded exactly like…Pat Travers. I had zero criticism of his tone. I was not expecting that amp to sound so good.
Awesome! Please, do more vídeos like these! I'd like to see some experiments with this Bugera and/or 6505+ 60w like with a TS and other drivers to boost (or no to) in front, snd/rtn jumpers, etc. Thanks for this post and regards from Brazil.
I often call my Marshall amp patches Mars Hall, partly because I, too, have disliked Marshalls for years until finally working out how to get a tone I like without the scratchy high end I hear so often. 14:46 I think the one very useful piece of advice every guitarist universally ignores for years, often permanently, is that too much gain makes your guitar sound small and fuzzy.
I have a berenger amp , everyone makes me feel bad about it. It's worked beautifully, for over 20 years, tho, and I like it. I love you channel, thank you. Keep telling it like it is.
I bought 2 Bugera 333XL Infiniums new on sale at $529US a year ago. One for the rehearsal studio and one to gig with. The rehearsal studio was down a very steep flight of stairs. They weigh about 52# each. The other one to gig with. Everyone was amazed at the sound.
I'm a 50 year Marshall user. When I wanted to scale down and not lug around 100w Marshalls, and worse Marshall combos, I looked into the asian Marshall DSLs. I bought 2, the DSL20 watt (EL-34s) and the DSL15 (6v6 powertubes). They sound fastastic and I highly recommend them. The 20 is about $650 brand new and the discontinued DSL15 can be had for about $350!!
I got my Bugera 1960 Infinium new in 2017 and paired it with a 80's model Fender 4x12 that I got at a pawn shop and it kicks ass, volume and tone for days.
I used to own a Bugera. I'm not using tube amps at the moment because I have Line6 POD Go. But if I ever go back to tube amps I'd probably go for Bugera. They are really nice sounding amps for the price.
I hear you Glen, but Marshall definitely got the DSLR series right: affordable, super flexible, super easy to bias, comes in all different wattages, and the tone will shake the very ground! I actually think it is the best tube amp for the price.
I was gonna guess it was a Peavy Windsor but i was wrong. This is all fine and good but a huge part of this decision making for me personally is what a tech will say when i bring it to them. Like am I still going to have the amp in 25 years? Im still skeptical that most of these Bugeras will be around.
Great video and thanks for once again proving you don't have to spend a fortune to get great tone, and that the speakers have more of an impact on the sound than the brand of the amp.
Hi Glen. I love the Marshall sound but they are one trick ponie 6:33 s. I could never afford one because I spent the money on a pool and family vacations. I bought a Tubeworks in 1991 and it was a fraction of the cost and sounds amazing at low volume. In fact, most musicians use my amp when they record in my basement think I paid $500.
We have one in our studio, but are reluctant to travel with it. The used JCM900 and 2000 Marshalls have been pretty road-worthy, and we have SansAmp Plexis and Line6's as backups.
"Isn't is amazing how we hear things differently with the labels removed?" Wow. One of several great quotes in this video. You dropped some serious wisdom today:)
These days not being a tool already equals some serious wisdom.
You can me call now officially old. ;-)
Goes for HiFi too.
It sounds nuts, but people really do listen with their eyes.
@@DannyG-cv8so Speak for yourselves. Shit is obvious.
@@DannyG-cv8so I think that people hallucinate their reality using a model, which was trained to be as close as possible to reality, from birth. Sometimes the model doesn't work, like in optical illusions or a magician's tricks. Military training of "muscle memory" augments the model. Advertising copy changes the model.
It was actually pretty cathartic to hear someone actually get the financial situation a lot of us are left dealing with right now lol good shit, Glenn!
“Try turning some of the eq knobs instead of getting a new amp” Eq is like the not secret secret weapon! Love it!
Coming from the audiophile and production world, every time I see a guitar pedal comparison, especially low gain overdrive, I keep thinking that the only difference is EQ. "But they're different topologies!!" Yeah well I can still EQ one into sounding like the other.
Yes indeed. Also, guitars have volume and tone controls. Some people don't seem to know that.
@@1980JPA There is the famous JHS' video of Digitech Bad Monkey vs. every other overdrive. I highly recommend it if you haven't already seen it.
WISE!!!!!!!!!
Don't give away the secret man!
I own a Bugera 333xl and I LOVE IT. It's been with me for about 10 years never any issues.
I had one too but it quickly crapped out on me. Loved everything about it but its willing to live!
There is no way that all of these bands this guy is talking about are using Marshalls out of pure hyperbole. Now this guy is like a stopped clock. He's right twice a day.that and he's a Canuck. One More thing people the internet can make you see and hear anything.
I have the BC30... looks like a Matchless, sounds like an AC30. Fifteen years on, still going strong.
Love your perspective on the cost of everything, (cost of living), for young people today. You have sized it up bluntly while hitting all the bases."It is what it is" to not get too political. I'm 65, and have gone through it all with life. I'm glad I hung on to my Marshall 1987x and cab, along with my guitars.
shortly after your video on the 6505 + I came across a used one for 350 euros at the local store. Negotiated for 300 and brought it home. Plugged it in my Orange cabinet and was very happy with the results, I'll never thank you enough for that
I have played different Bugera amps for over a decade, never had any issues other than people asking me what I was using. The most complimented amp I have is the 333XL, the infinium tech is super handy while touring, and if anyone steals it, I can easily replace it. Replaceable, easy to maintain, sounds great live.
PS: 16:00 "I love doing these videos and turning you on"
I loved my 333XL. Regret selling it
I have the 333 XL, 1990, AND 1960, love all 3. I had a T50 that once I paired it with a good speaker and what not sounded better than initially did. People LOVE to shit on Bugera, but as you said, Infinium is amazing, and after 2010 / 2011 when they had fire issues simply from using sub par connectors on the power rail, they have been great amps. People don't get QC issues exist everywhere, just the ones you pay more for you see less because they catch them early before sending them out. lol
@@DroneShotFPV I have a jvm410, a jcm2000, an '83 jcm800, a XXX, an engl blackmore 100, and a rockerverb 50 mk3...
But I also have two pre infinium 6260s, they absolutely hold their own and their build quality isn't really any worse than any other brand. I'd even say it's better than some.
I've had all of my amps open at some point or another. Either to repair them, bias them, or mod them. I think a lot of the early bugeras that shipped out were either biased incorrectly, or not biased at all and that's where most of the failures came from. Both of them came from the factory biased so insanely hot it was like, "of course they melted, how could they not? They're set to like 95% dissipation."
Combine that with a lot of inexperienced tube amp owners, many of whom this was their first tube amp, piss poor or just plain wrong maintenance instructions from bugera, and you have the makings of a lot of failures.
@@countzero5150 I can see that being a problem as well, I didn't know they were hot biased from factory, but it was also proven that the molex connection on the power input to the board was bad, or a cab capacitor or mosfet, and that was causing fires. Not on ALL of them, but some.. Regardless, I still love my Bugeras and would buy another! I was wanting a 6262 or the Tri Rec, hard pressed to find those at a great price currently.
Yeah, I loved 333xl also, I had the 2x12 combo
*_Before watching: “This has to be about the Bugera 1960.”_*
*_After watching: “Yep.”_*
I was half-expecting either the Peavey Windsor or Carvin X100B.
@@nicholasdasilva5699
✌️at least someone else knows. I use the X100B every day.
As for the Bugara I think they’re made by Beringer 🤔 who make decent gear.
And now Reverb has one for $1,300. Damn it.
@@nicholasdasilva5699
The peavey Windsor is a better option for about the same or a bit more. They are easily modded and very reliable
I nailed it as well. I knew it was going to be Bugera.
4 things I've learned about amps (in my experience). 1. Speakers can absolutely make the difference. 2. Settings matter just as much as speakers. 3. Simple is King. 4. More often than not, if you can't get the sound you want it likely has more to do with your playing than the amp.
get it modded
True
Amen
I dunno what playing has to do with it?! Unless one is piss-poor at playing! If u hand any adequate player ie. Hetfield's rig, the person WILL get the 'Tallica sound! Playing is just the icing on the cake.
@@MaximusAdonicus The equipment will be the same but you will not sound like James playing through his rig. If Eddie Van Halen played through your rig he would still sound like Eddie Van Halen. The fact you don't understand this tells me you either haven't been playing that long or still need a lot of practice.
The first JCM800s were basically rebadged JMPs. The single channel vertical input models were the real Holy Grail.
I use an 80's 2203 and I love it so damn much! Unfortunately they are expensive but they are fucking killer and rock solid. I can't agree with Glen here.
@@blackfoil5992 One of the best amps ever built, by anyone. You really have to be in a room with one to understand how incredibly expressive they are.
After this video, ain't nobody gonna be gettin' one for $256, LOL.
What does that mean in plain English?
@@CristelDevriezeMN It means that this video will cause the demand for these amps to go up (because more people will be shopping for them), which means the price will go up, since the supply will not increase. It's simple Supply & Demand economics.
Clickbait title.
somebody slept during high-school economics 101 😂
@@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147 cry about it.
Glenn: "So, which amp did you like the most?"
Me, only listening while looking for a used Bugera 1960: "There was a difference?"
Yeah, I kinda spaced when listening (and heard no difference) and then realised Glenn was demoing all 3.
I haven't heard any difference, even when the names were shown.
I watched a lot of tone comparisons while making dinner, and not looking at the videos. I could never tell the differences between pickups and amps, so I don't worry about getting expensive stuff.
It's probably because your listening to yt crap audio compression algorithm through a sheet phone dac with a sh phone speaker
yeah I was like "wait...there's a difference? they sound the same"
Used to work at a shop. We had a little Bugera Infinium behind the counter that was our test amp. People used to ask all the time what I was playing through because it sounded so good. Always blew their mind when I told them.
Lol, no extra charge for the sarcasm . Just another free service , what a value . Thank you for your honesty and candor.
In a world full of decade+ long TH-camrs who started out reviewing things us plebs can afford and have evolved into "Look at this Thing. You should buy this, it's the best!" and a quick search shows it at 2-3-4 thousand f**king dollars, it is refreshing to see SOMEONE who is trying to legitimately help us poors find good shit at even better prices. Thanks.
I’m not even a metal player, don’t really listen to it, but I appreciate it. I love this channel because it shows you that money doesn’t equal tone. During the A/B/C comparison, there was really little if any difference, not major enough to justify spending hundreds/thousands of dollars more. Keep up the good work!
My only criticism with the Bugera here, is who needs 150 watts these days? It sounded no different than the others, though.
@@castleanthrax1833 Definitely true, but looking on Sweetwater it says it has a master volume, so you just have that 150 watts on tap if you need it!
~None~ of this "equals tone" because this is actually about TIMBRE, not tone.
Tone is pitches (triTONE pentaTONic etc) not "the sound character" of an instrument.
@shaft9000 This isn't about a dictionary definition of the word "tone." Have you ever heard of the phrase "in the vernacular"?
"Tone" when said by guitarists in the vernacular... means the sound, how pleasing or displeasing it is, and it is subjective... not objective.
Me neither - I almost predate metal. The video did make me think that a lot of these tube amps are extremely similar and I should fix my old Sears Silvertone tube amp.
when I was in an active band I bought a used bugera 6262 which is pretty much a copy of the Peavey 6505...
Got mocked for the brand but as soon as people heard it.....I still got mocked because it said Bugera on the front.
Loved the damn thing. These days living in an apartment I can't justify using it so it's in my mom's basement back in my childhood home. Great memories of playing live with that thing though.
Same with Crate.
I'm still playing a BlueVoodoo, still getting shit 30 years later.
@@vorpalbladesCrates are not that bad... It's a shame they get such a bad rep, considering they had a Marty Friedman signature model.
@@vorpalblades if there's one thing this channel has taught me is the power of a good "fuck you!" to the people who spout shit about the brands we use or not xD
There is no money in impressing other guitarists, and they make shitty audience members.
@@StephGV2 ain't that the truth!
The problem with this video is you can't actually find these amps for $256. In fact, you can't find them at all. And if you do, they're more like $1000. This video won't help matters either.
I feel your pain mate. I’m in Australia and that Marshall 1959HW is $4000 here!!!! Unobtainium for regular folk
In America if you search a half dozen classified ad systems at least every other day, these deals are out there. Gear for a price steal isn't anywhere nearly as scarce as it seems, *but you also really need to know what to buy which is why the video focused on an amp made in China for the parent company, Behringer.*
*I'm a college educated electrical/electronics engineer which literally means a scientist, and these channels that promote gear for whatever reason are extremely touchy about my posts.*
In general, valves are a grossly overpriced technology so I understand your frustration. I have 2 all tube heads and while I love them, there are a lot more favorable features from my army of solid-state amps and I am a shred and sweep style guitarist, so couple that with an engineer and my standards are incredibly high.
i just found one for 320€...an i asked for 300€ incl. shipping :)
lets wait and see
There are 5150 III 15 watt heads, for $300-$400 on Reverb, but most of the good prices are local pickup.
The shipping ones, start at $480 +50shippimg.
Bugera’s can be found, but it isn’t easy to find them, and shipped for what Glenn is saying.
@@CorbCorbin there was a high end metal version of an Infinium on MusiciansFriend early yesterday for $299, I snoozed on it then realized what a fuck up it would be not buying it, went to order it last night and it was gone!
SOB!!
The deals are there and they're actually frequent but if it's something *SPECIFIC* you desire, always leap right on it. *Case in point is I prefer a lot of solid-state traits over valves even though I love both and blending a semiconductor stompbox with an all tube amp, but I found a Crate GX1200H halfstack for $150 in April and bought it without thinking once let alone twice.*
It's a 3-legged mutt in a race against greyhounds in the grand view, but I have a formal background in the science of engineering so a few simple mods to the vast majority of Crate solid-states produced since around the early 90's proves them to be one of the ultimate solid-state sleepers.
*Meanwhile, the 4x12 Crate cabinet is nearly 30 years old but the speakers were never actually broken in until I bought it and knew the specifics for how to do it!* They are mediocre speakers in the grand scheme but when x4 and after you break them in really well, ultimately still *perform* at a level relative to Eminence and Celestions.
I'm just happy that the Infiinium I snoozed on it's eating at me like I expected. I bought a Carvin V3 for just over $500 earlier this year though and ultimately would bet the particular infinium I snoozed too long on would be more exacting in terms of what I desire from any technology in an amplifier.
I've been using the Bugera 1990 for years. Besides a tube change, I've never had any issues. Bugera made some really good amps.
I literally just found this guy today and he’s already got me rolling laughing with the sarcasm and truthful rant. 😂
Not even all the way through the video but damn did he nail it in the beginning 😂
When I got a promotion I decided that after years of walking into music stores and asking “What can I get for $X” I could finally walk in and say “here is what I want, show it to me and I have cash.” I finally settled on an EVH 5150iii 2x12. I brought it home and played it. I loved it! I send a video to my friend and he replied “congrats you just spent $1800 to sound like you always do.” 😂
I will say I used to spend hours to get a good sound out of the equipment I could afford where as with this amp I have trouble finding a sound I DON’T like. So for me it’s a win.
I sound the same through every rig. I still prefer my own.
sounds like a good friend you should consult BEFORE succumbing to GAS, but that would be in a perfect world - shoulda coulda woulda. - but if you're happy, you're happy!
@@thomastucker5686 You mean you don’t like playing through someone else’s rig-you’d rather play through yours? 😂😅
@@heyjarrod pretty much.
I have the same EVH 50W combo 212… I paid about 1500 for it new and there’s nothing that even comes close to how good this amp sounds… Did I pay too much… absolutely… But after having this amp for about three or four years, I haven’t played anything in the neighbourhood that sounds as good as it does. You can also go anywhere from 50 W all the way down to one , and it sounds great on every level!
"Nothing will ever sound like a real tube amp!" unless the tube amp comes with a logo that somebody on the internet made fun off before.
Great video, like always!
I play in the band The Mentors. I Own a Bugera Bulldog logo 1960. I own 4 Marshall JMP’s, 2 OG 5150’s, 70s Ampeg V4, newer 5150 legacy, 4 80s Randall RG 120’s and a few Masa Amps. I bought mine for 300. Close out deal. I gig with my Bugera. At first I put it in a white Marshall box I bought off Craigslist just to match to have a full size head. Everyone thought it was a modified Marshall.
I just put it back in its original box not to long ago.
A lot of Professionals touring guitar players loved it and tripped out when I told the.
F what people think. The tone is there.
I used to have a Bugera 1960. I don’t know why but it blew up. I used it concurrently with a Marshall JCM 900. I don’t know why but that amp blew up too. I thought both of them sounded different, but amazing. My favorite thing about the 1960 was the Randy Roads cascaded gain mod. When I plugged my Epiphone Les Paul Custom into the input, I could swear at the time it sounded just like Diary Of A Madman. Great times!
I stopped looking at the badge on the amp about 7 years ago. I stumbled across a Chinese brand named Wangs. (Insert p-nis joke here).
I bought 3. A 5 watt microhead, a Fender bandmaster based head, and a handwired amp based on a Marshall 2204 (Marshall never hand wired this model).
All 3 of these amps cost me about $1500 CAD at the time.
They also make a hand wired plexi clone and a couple of Dumble clones for you clean fans. 😉
No shame in loving wangs bud 😂
Hehehe... You said insert.
Handski wired! 🤘👽👽👽
@darklight4815 my wife is a lucky woman. I have 4 Wangs. 😂
@@thisdyingsoul76
Sounds like a party right there. 🤣
Pretty sure this amp was mine a few years ago, I live in New York and sold it to some guy. I was planning to retolex it and slap on a classic Plexi badge, still have the badge around here somewhere actually.
"Whisperin’" Bob Harris - legendary host. And one of the very few of the era who didn’t turn out to be a perv
The greatest and best BBC presenter of the Old Grey Whistle Test. Whispering Bob was loved by at least a generation of teens and twenty-somethings looking for music from beyond the mainstream, and the engineers on that show were some of the best ever. First place I heard Lynnyrd Skynnrd, Yes, ZZ Top, Rammstein, Grand Funk Railroad and many others. And with the added bonus that Bob isn't doing time for touching kids, unlike so many of his colleagues at the BBC.
Hear hear!
Bob Harris had a great voice. I loved the old, grey whistle test, but Bob Harris was a hippy, not a rocker.
@@LorraineHinchliffe-vg5cb ...and? Nowadays, he's the voice of country music in the UK.
I am just beginning my guitar journey at 52. I'm one broke puppy and all my stuff is budget from my amps to my pedals. In my opinion I can get some really decent tones, save 1 amp that I'm going to get rid of not going to name names but it's very popular. Sorry for my rambling but my point is I have learned with many different products that sometimes the major labels aren't worth a crap.
I love watching your videos about cheap gears. It helps a peasant like me to buy what i can afford.. unlike those other youtubers that only recommend named brand stuffs..
Mate i picked up 6505 combo after your video cost me £200. It's great.
Even the clean channel wasn't bad.
I’ve got a 100w Marshall DSL from the 2010s, picked it up in almost mint condition for $600, and it absolutely rips. The clean channel cranked (with an attenuator) into a greenback 1x12 sounds absolutely massive. It’s also proper pcb and pretty well laid-out so it’ll be easy to repair and mod. I’m still saving to get enough good speakers to put in the 4x12 I’ve got so I can play with a drummer unmiked.
I picked up a Bugera Tri-Rec because I didn't want to take my real Mesa Triple Rectifier to a club and have a drunk spill beer on it or break my $4000 amp. I spent a total of about $500 on the Amp used and well its the same amp. Too bad they discontinued it since it is a great 3 channel bar gigging and outdoor show amp!
It's a copy of a dual rec actually, not a triple.
Brilliant!
I own a JCM head and a pair of 1960s. I got them cheap and it does me great. Unfortunately, I’m not a boomer so can’t afford a house, so might take the speakers out of the bottom cab and live in it.
That's the best plan I've heard one of you whipper-snappers come up with in years. NOW, GET OF MY LAWN! 😂
@@darksu6947 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣nice
Awesome!!!
😅😅😅😅
Did not make 2 min into the video without subscribing. Love the energy!
"That's it for today, fuck off..." 😂👏👏👍
If you have an ethical issue with Bugera, you better be buying only Soldanos, neither 6505s nor Rectifiers
Prove it.
@HauntedGuitarMan this has been confirmed by Mike Soldano and independently by Dave Friedman. Rev A dual rec is a ripped off slo preamp value for value on its circuit. Check out tone talk with Mike for full details. 5150 is a SLO with an extra gain stage.
@@lg5669 cool lol. I was just yanking for fun. I believe it though. Funny enough the amp i want the most is the slo 20w. I had a jet city slo copy that ruled. Should’ve never sold it.
I only buy vintage solid state amps these days. Cheap and full of mojo
@@purrpocalypse peavey supreme?
I paid for a used Marshall Valvestate 265 with chorus for $250 Canadian..
Sounds better than my 800 & 900 Marshall hands down!
The secret was to turn the effect loop knob up all the way, and you get all that single 12AX7 tube preamp tone goodness...
Try it Glen, i know you have one in your collection!
Great video as usual and kudos for letting the late great Eddy Wally make an appearance at 1:00 😂
On the other hand in Europe a new made/assembled in UK Marshall 100W JVM with 4 independent channels costs 1200 USD, that is great value
Man, I got a Tonex One for $129 and it's got all the amps and tones. I can switch amps when ever gas kicks in.
But it's not very big.
That's what she said. 😂
I remember plugging into a JCM 800 back in the day in a music store and was very unimpressed. At the time, I didn't realize you had to crank these non master volume amps to push the power tubes into that sweet overdrive the amps were known for. When I was a teenager in the mid 80s, the amp I coveted most was a Marshall half stack of some sort. Had I been able to afford one back then, I would never have been able to turn it up loud enough to make it sound good. A few years back I purchased a 1974 JMP 100w super lead with a 1960b bottom cab loaded with Vintage 30s and G12-65s in a cross pattern. It is the loudest amp I've ever played through in my life. If I don't run it through my Boss tube amp expander, people 2 counties away will call the cops. Having said that, when I do run it through the attenuator with both channels jumped, the channel 1 volume at around 6 and the channel two volume between 1 and 2 it is an amazing sounding amp. It sounds like . I do agree that the eq on this amp does practically nothing. Very little difference between 0 and 10 on any of the eq controls. I would love to run this head through a 1960a cab loaded with greenbacks.
One of the most disappointing things for me ever was the time I went to play through a JCM-800 in the early 90's and it was a flubby crappy sounding mess. Little did I know that the metal bands I loved that played these amps were boosting them with a TS-9 or SD-1 to get the tones that I loved. Idk why it was such a secret back in the 80's and 90's but I didn't discover the whole boost thing until late 90's I believe. I always relied on a distortion pedal or tube preamp to get the heavily distorted and tight tones I wanted until then. I also don't know why the salesman at the guitar stores never recommended using a boost with the JCM-800 back then either, you would think they would have seen a long haired kid into metal and have them try a boost so they could have made a sale.
@@admgloval Our access to information back then wasn't quite what it is today. I've learned that another pedal those guys paired with the JCM 800 quite often was the Proco Rat.
@@admgloval me too. I owned a JCM 800 head for about 2 weeks thinking I was going to be in Slayer country right off the bat. I didn’t understand why the hell I would need an overdrive or distortion when the guy was trying to sell me one. I thought he was trying to just sell me add ons. I was annoyed I needed a distortion pedal to make it sound how I wanted. Kinda wish I knew back then what I know now!
@@J2Metal Hey, at least your salesman suggested using an overdrive with it, the store I tried out the JCM-800 in didn't even bother. The salesman talked the amp up like it was the greatest amp for metal but when I plugged in and cranked it, it didn't have the tight saturated sound I was looking for, was all flubby and classic-rock sounding. I had zero knowledge of tube amps at this time, the amp I owned was a Crate solid state amp with not that great distortion so I was using a Digitech GSP-2101 with it for what I considered at that time to be better sounding distortion. Later on I bought an ADA MP-1 along with a 4x12 and a solid state power amp and that was a great sounding tone compared to the Digitech. In the early 2000's, I upgraded to a Mesa Triaxis and 2:90 power amp which I still own and use to this day, awesome amp and does not need an OD pedal to get that tight saturated metal tone. I became friends with a dude around this time who owned several Marshalls including a JCM-800 and he was using a Boss SD-1 with it and I finally heard the tone I had been looking for back in the early 90's. Even then no one really talked about using an OD pedal with a Marshall to get that tight saturated tone, it was like it was some secret of the sages or something, hah hah.
@@admgloval I was in the same boat man. I owned a Crate combo and didn’t know anything about tube amps and at the time there wasn’t 2000 videos about the secret sauce of how to make a JCM800 sound like I felt it should. So I stuck with Crate never knowing I sold what could have been a great amp if I’d known a little more!
A Bugera 1960 is every bit as good as any vintage, “worshipful” Marshall Plexi. Bugera later addressed their lousy builds, and my 3 are still 100% ten-plus years after purchasing.
On the reveal I was right that the "B" amp was the vintage Marshall. TBH on the rhythm sounds I agree there wasn't a significant difference and couldn't have called it out just based on that. However, on the lead playing, the vintage amp really had a sweet singing voice that the others couldn't keep up with. That said what's it worth to a player? Up to them!
i think the peavey valve king is a very slept on budget amp
As an amp tech, I can verify you should avoid Bugera amps. Why? Because when it breaks - and it WILL break - your friendly local amp tech like me will likely refuse to take it in and fix it. Why? Because the cost of a repair will likely exceed the actual value of the amp, and because the minute a tech touches an amp, he owns the problems. Not fun. If you want a good long term amp, save your change and buy the Marshall instead. The old one. The real one. Not this new crap they've been churning out the last 30 years.
Why didn’t you post this 3 years ago before I bought my bugera head?? Lol
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The thing with the 800 that I think a lot of people dont realize...the circuit was designed to have a lot of treble. And if you're hoping to play anything more aggressive than late 70s/early 80s hard rock, you need a boost/OD. I didn't realize this either. Thats why I was disappointed the first time I plugged into an 800.
I wonder if that carried over with the 900. I have the Bugera 1990, it doesn't do modern high gain like Disturbed stuff but it kills classic Megadeth tones IMO.
I'd read that JCM's weren't "designed to have a lot of treble', but that the transformer makes it sound different running on another voltage standard than native 220.
@@davidschwartz3427 I love Megadeth.
@@shaft9000 That may well be the case. People were always telling me though that I shouldn't complain about the treble because that's a characteristic of the JCM 800 circuit. I don't know. Maybe a 6 band or 10 band eq would make it sound better. Lambchopper seems to be getting great tines from his SC20H and he uses an eq.
$256??? Now you got my attention
Now they're mostly sold out, except for a couple amps in the thousand dollar range on Reverb.
@@AdamsOlympia exaclty....It's Glenn's fault
@@AdamsOlympia I bought one new a few years ago? It took a year to deliver, tied 1 site for 400€, canceld after 6 month after I saw it back on thomann for 300€ (new !). It's amazing, already jumpered and cascade input option, effects loop, bypassable ppi master volume, you can use 2 tubes instead of 4 and put any power tube you want (like 2 6v6 you get a 20w plexi). Deal of the century.
also it has tons of gain
I've been using vintage Marshalls and Hiwatts for bass onstage and in the studio for decades. On a whim I bought a Bugera 1960 off the local CL for $250. Best money I ever spent ! ❤
I did this 30 years ago. I found a buzzy 5150 combo, took out the Chinese tubes, and put in vintage ones. I then put a Hot Plate on it. It sounds KILLER!
I'm still rocking a Pre-Infineum Bugera 333XL (2008, 1st year - self fixed for reliability). Learning to care for it and swapping the cab with a $114, used, beat to heck, 80s Peavey 412M with Celestion GK85s has become my goto sound since 2009. Killed my gas for amps/cabs. Have recorded an EP, 3 albums, and been in six bands and hundreds of gigs with that setup. Only complaint I ever got was a biased sound man who refused to mic it after "hearing" with his eyes - he mic'd the next time after I got complimented on it at the last show un-miced and showed I know how to use a volume knob.
it's very refreshing to hear someone acknowledge the difficulties us young people are facing today
WE young people are facing. Not "Us". One of the difficulties you're (not 'your') facing is the English language. I know... words are hard... but "Us" doesn't do something... "We" do something. Same thing with "Me and my girfriiend/boyfriend.. It's my XYZ and I . Why? "Me" doesn't do something..."I" do something.. "Me had lunch" is how a 2 yr old might communicate.
@@HBSuccess i really dgaf but cool for you if you do, english professor 🧑🏫
@@HBSuccess dude. pick your fuckin battles.
Gleeeeeeennn! Serious comment, please read & consider:
Instead of getting two huge amps for around 300 bucks each to cover 2 iconic sounds, wouldn't it be rather good advise for people to get a Bluguitar Amp1 Iridium instead? I'ts much lighter, less maintenance, more switching & sound options and most importantly much more convenient. Channel #2 delivers the Marshal thingy while channel #4 delivers the rectifier-esque stuff. Revv purple Sound (chan. #3) as Bonus!
Of course, it only has a nanotube/class D powerstage and transistor preamp... but no one should care, it sounds and feels undistinguishable from full-tube amps. Thomas is indeed a Genius!
Amp1 iridium is killer!!
After several years I finally got to hear Celestion Greenbacks against the Vintage 30s up close and I fell in love with the Greenbacks. Maybe because I grew up with the second wave of British heavy metal? They had soul. It added the splash of rock n roll enveloped R&B I’d been missing. It wasn’t just crunch, crunch, crunch all night long. Don’t be afraid of a little soul, guys.
First time Ive watched , will be a long term watcher .
Love your takes , especially on amps ,( tube ,and otherwise )
I have stopped being a MARSHALLS GUY ,and have an amazing BUGERA collection ,a 1960 infinium , etc.
Keep us informed !!!
Behringer products are fascinating. They're either really amazing for the price, or they make us want to rollback our evolution til we're neanderthals with clubs.
I have a 4x12 from Behringer, it's amazing. I also have a 4 channel mixer from Behringer and only one of the channels work :3
i love my 8 channel behringer interface. ive passed out n left it on all nite, no issues. looking for a 2 channel mixer. 🍻
Hi Glenn just to clarify on the Judas Priest bit Performing at the BBC. The footage you used is from a show called The Old Gray Whistle Test. It was a show that covered a lot of live music from bands from a lot of Genres. It wasn’t a show that had audiences as the studio that the bands played in was awkwardly small so no need to hand out ear plugs to the public but maybe to staff and crew. This brings me to my second point. As everyone, including camera men were literally on top of each other most bands had issues with gear for one reason or another. Also due to the space they were in, acoustics were tricky as a lot of bands found and therefore had to make all sorts of adjustments to deal with this. Top Of The Pops on the other hand was another shit show all of its own. Plenty of stories of bands not being able to play live, only in some incidents allow live vocals only, which didn’t go down too well ( see Nirvana performance.). Also Bob Harris was and is a good bloke with a wealth of band and music knowledge. He and John Peel are legends who pushed a lot of unknowns to where the public would get a chance to hear them. Really feel bad when You start to sound like one of “those” guitarists and bassist you get on here. 🤟
Addendum: judas Preist possibly wouldn’t have been on the show if it wasn’t for people like Mr Harris. Please do a bit more research before you slag someone to the ground.
Marshall origin series are pretty nice, stick a boost/overdrive in front of it. They’ve got up in price like everything else too though. 50w head was $450 new back when I got one. Basically sold it years later for the same amount. 😂
I've never bought a tube amp and have a 2k cad maximum price limit for a new guitar. Plus I live in Nova Scotia where we have 15 percent tax. I also have a 'get one give one' gear philosophy because aquisition of gear for the sake of just getting more is wasteful. Even though I can afford to just let gear gather dust, i grew up poor and donate stuff i dont use.
I'm a bass player and my gig rig for the past six years is a used orange terror bass 500 and a $200 Bugera 115 500 Watt cab. I recently picked up I used Darkglass micro tubes 500 and can't wait to pair it with that cab live. I love that cab and I get a lot of compliments on my tone. I love cheap gear, you can buy more of it!!
I've personally owned two Bugera tube amps. A V5 and V22. I purchased both in 2016. The V5 still works like new. The V22 died in 2021. I still use the V22 as a 1x12 cab sometimes. To be fair, it saw a lot of action. Five solid years of gigs and rehearsals out of a brand new $350 tube amp is nothing to complain about. I've also played smaller gigs with the V5. They're both a great value.
yup. I've had my Bugera v5 since 2015. very good sound. No mechanical problems since. Great for blues riffing at the edge of breakup.
my v22 is still killing it.........i had to put a scorpion in it after i blew the shitfield
I love when amps based on expensive Marshall’s end up being more money than expensive Marshall’s. Looking at you Friedman Amplification.
About the Bugera: I honestly want one for a bass amp. Kohle did a video on one and got this fuzzy, but solid bass sound out of it. Even got a bit of Lemmy out of it.
Bob Harris is a British Legend, Check out the Old Grey Whistle Test. He helped introduce great music to the UK fans launching a lot of legendary bands!
Yup, good 'ol Whispering Bob. He put out a book and there's some good anecdotes in there. Like the time Keith Richards showed up for an interview with a 2/3 full bottle of Jack. By the end of the interview it was gone and Bob was amazed that Keith barely seemed affected. Later that evening, when they went out for dinner, Keith poured half an envelope full of cocaine on the restaurants glass table oblivious to the stares from all the patrons. Explains why the booze didn't seem to affect him. Then there was the night Bob was in a pub with a friend and a bunch of punk rockers, including Sid Vicious, decided to attack him and his friend with broken bottles. Bob had some bruises and cuts, but his friend had a bad cut in the head and wrist and was found in a pool of blood. According to Bob, Sid seeing the condition of Bob's friend was what stopped Vicious from gashing him in the face with the bottle. He's had some adventures
I LOVE how many social issues you managed to bring up at the start of this video. Don't get me wrong, I'm a knucklehead guitarist but all those issues you spoke of are issues I wanna see resolved, and not for me, but for people younger than me.
Same here!
I am really fortunate. I got a 79 JMP Master Lead 100 watter back in 96 when nobody wanted them. It was seriously $600!! Absolutely amazing amp
I cannot justify a purchase like this and I don't need it, but I'm so glad it exists for folks who do need it!
I'd love to see you try out the Marshall DSL Series they're a pretty decent price and they sound great, Ola did a video on the 1 watt head and it sounded awesome and there's a guy called LambChopper678 who has made tons of videos using the 20 watt head and he's able to get a bunch of different tones out of it.
I have a DSL100H and enjoy playing it and now even more after I replaced the speakers with V30’s and the sound completely different to the speakers it came with. But yes they are very decent amps.
Same! I have a DSL20 that I ran through a 1x12 orange with a v30. Something just didn't do it for me so I swapped the speaker to a DV77.
Bought an ENGL Fireball 25 a few years ago and swapped the speaker back to a v30. Zero complaints. Both amps are awesome, but I just needed some different speaker combos.
Right at the start of the rant I thought of the DSL amps, too
On behalf of the entirety of the British Isles, HOW DARE YOU SLANDER BOB HARRIS?!?!
Don't include me in that. Slander away 😅
On behalf of American dentist Make an appointment.
@@victorycrosby4896 I have one annually, and it doesn't cost me a small fortune
@@victorycrosby4896 Wow, another angry American red hat.
SImple: get a host who isn't so fucking lame!
I was born in 82 and all of my influences came from the 80s and 90s. I'm also a bonehead guitarist because I've played almost nothing but Randall and B.C Rich since about 95🤷😂😂😂😂 I'll never change
I own a bugera, and the infinium has a system where you can use unmatched tubes, and even mix tubes (eg, mix 6L6 and EL34). It takes care of the biasing automatically. Plus it will tell you when tubes go bad.
I picked up a Rogue Tuberider 100 MVT1000FT head at a used store for $50 about 10 or so years ago. This thing screams, and blows away most of my friend’s Marshalls. Sounds even better now that I’ve swapped out my speakers. Thanks Glenn!!
I used a Bugera 5150 clone on my Carcass Heartwork tone recreation. I got great feedback from my subs. The bad rap they got on forumland were usually from the speakers.
The big rumor was the fabled flaming Bugera. For the longest time, if someone suggested a Bugera in forums, it was always, "Those things catch on fire." I don't think there is a single documented case of a Bugera just bursting into flames on stage, lol.
@@travisspaulding2222 it was the first run of amps that had a molex connector in the power supply rails that connected the transformer to the PCB.
Those connectors could come undone just a smidge and create huge resistance, leading to it melting.
They fixed it by soldering the cables directly to the PCB, in the subsequent amps.
The Infinium line is mostly trouble free from burning, but it is a tube amp and can suffer from standard tube amp ailments, these happen whether you paid 256 bucks or 10 thousand.
@@JohnWiku Yeah, I'm aware of the melting issue, but the stories were ridiculous. All of a sudden everyone had a friend that was at a show, or had a Bugera that caught fire, but this "friend" never once posted about it, or no one had a video of it?
@@travisspaulding2222 pre-infinium fix
cut the molex connector so the 1st wire isnt in it anymore,
(the plastic might be brown at the bottom around that wire)
pull the female internal pin out (depin) with the wire still attached.....
yes, you dont even need to cut the wire or solder
and bend the male pin on the board down & away a bit.....
reconnect wire without the plastic.....
the fix is literally free
wrap it in electrical tape or even paint it with nail polish if you want to get fancy.
but half the guitar community doesnt know what end of the screwdriver goes in their nose
often they cant anyway cuz their nose is so high up in the air
@@kazzxtrismus You say that like I own one. I don't care. My point is that the Bugera issue was blown out of proportion, lol.
I came for the info, & stayed for the Tillbilly reference!!!!
I live in Tecumseh Ontario, I think 8 minutes away from this guy. I have a few cousins who live in Tilbury! We call that place "tickleberry", and "tillbillies" live there lol.
@@jakefriesenjake We're in Windsor. Glenn's a great guy.
@@TheRoseCityRockers awesome
Companies: lets raise our prices to unreasonable amounts.
Same company: why is no one buying our things anymore!?
"Nobody wants to jam anymore!"
I liked the A mix. Pretty bright. Good work, sir!
One guitarist I liked had songs that went from a fender clean sound to a dual rectifier sound.
Listening to the recordings I always thought he used both amps.
Turns out, since the MB power section circuit is based on the Twin Reverb circuit, all he did was kick on a dual rec pedal.
The point I'm trying to say is; If the amps color and amplify your sound the same way, they will sound the same.
The only difference is what frequency the tone knobs are made to effect, and where the compression/distortion is applied in relation to that in a circuit.
Those Bugera 1960 is the loudest thing I’ve plugged into good gravy it was awesome, the 1990 is also good deal. Used the 1990 for many years years was great work horse amp.
I'll keep my eyes open for one! Thanks for the heads up!
Marshalls are some of the cheapest amps here in the UK.
where? which stores?
@@JayBirdGuitars Everywhere.
@@JayBirdGuitars Marshall DSL402 Limited Edition 2x12 Combo Valve Amp £449 guitar guitar
@@alien4422 still no store though what's the store where can we get it...
I bought an Marshall Origin 20 during lockdown and it's a fantastic amp. All tube and plenty loud enough. You can get plexi adjacent sounds from it and combined with a power soak you can run it at full tilt without pissing off the neighbours too much.
Bro, stop yelling for maybe 5 min. This is unwatchable.
I once saw Pat Travers playing a Bugera. He sounded exactly like…Pat Travers. I had zero criticism of his tone. I was not expecting that amp to sound so good.
Awesome! Please, do more vídeos like these! I'd like to see some experiments with this Bugera and/or 6505+ 60w like with a TS and other drivers to boost (or no to) in front, snd/rtn jumpers, etc. Thanks for this post and regards from Brazil.
I often call my Marshall amp patches Mars Hall, partly because I, too, have disliked Marshalls for years until finally working out how to get a tone I like without the scratchy high end I hear so often.
14:46 I think the one very useful piece of advice every guitarist universally ignores for years, often permanently, is that too much gain makes your guitar sound small and fuzzy.
I have a berenger amp , everyone makes me feel bad about it. It's worked beautifully, for over 20 years, tho, and I like it. I love you channel, thank you. Keep telling it like it is.
I bought 2 Bugera 333XL Infiniums new on sale at $529US a year ago. One for the rehearsal studio and one to gig with. The rehearsal studio was down a very steep flight of stairs. They weigh about 52# each. The other one to gig with. Everyone was amazed at the sound.
You are the most energetic WWII veteran I have ever seen. Good for you, dude!
wow i was really expecting the first tone to be the more expensive one, but i actually enjoyed the bugera a lot more. yay for tone comparisons!!!
Genuinely had no idea the jcm 800 was so controversial! I love that amp. Regardless, another great video by my new favourite channel \m/
I'm a 50 year Marshall user. When I wanted to scale down and not lug around 100w Marshalls, and worse Marshall combos, I looked into the asian Marshall DSLs. I bought 2, the DSL20 watt (EL-34s) and the DSL15 (6v6 powertubes). They sound fastastic and I highly recommend them. The 20 is about $650 brand new and the discontinued DSL15 can be had for about $350!!
I got my Bugera 1960 Infinium new in 2017 and paired it with a 80's model Fender 4x12 that I got at a pawn shop and it kicks ass, volume and tone for days.
I didn't think I could like this guy more but this video nails it in every way.
I enjoyed the information but man, you are hilarious. That was fun for anybody to listen to!
I used to own a Bugera. I'm not using tube amps at the moment because I have Line6 POD Go. But if I ever go back to tube amps I'd probably go for Bugera. They are really nice sounding amps for the price.
I hear you Glen, but Marshall definitely got the DSLR series right: affordable, super flexible, super easy to bias, comes in all different wattages, and the tone will shake the very ground! I actually think it is the best tube amp for the price.
Love your channel and videos, your have true Canadian smarts, you've opened my eyes and mind, much respect.
I was gonna guess it was a Peavy Windsor but i was wrong.
This is all fine and good but a huge part of this decision making for me personally is what a tech will say when i bring it to them. Like am I still going to have the amp in 25 years? Im still skeptical that most of these Bugeras will be around.
I own a Bugera 1/12 combo. El-34s and 12 ax7s. It sounds awesome, like a box AC 30 and was like 300. Bucks, really good build quality as well.
Great video and thanks for once again proving you don't have to spend a fortune to get great tone, and that the speakers have more of an impact on the sound than the brand of the amp.
Keep watching these videos, even if the sound is down. Glenn needs us.
Hi Glen. I love the Marshall sound but they are one trick ponie 6:33 s. I could never afford one because I spent the money on a pool and family vacations. I bought a Tubeworks in 1991 and it was a fraction of the cost and sounds amazing at low volume. In fact, most musicians use my amp when they record in my basement think I paid $500.
We have one in our studio, but are reluctant to travel with it. The used JCM900 and 2000 Marshalls have been pretty road-worthy, and we have SansAmp Plexis and Line6's as backups.