well, to be fair, "boyfriend acquired girl" is also technically a thing. But I don't see Chris becoming a cuck in jail. that joke sounded better in my head tbh
"In any case, Chris' story is one that seems fated to not have a happy ending, with his life perhaps serving as a cautionary tale in the age of the internet. A tale of bad parenting, social isolation, gullibility, narcissism, laziness, hypocrisy, sexual deviancy, and most importantly, a tale of the world witnessing in real-time the slow, painful degradation of another human being." -The last lines of Chris Chan's cwcki article after the arrest
Yeah, I think it will enter the Homeless Saga and he will off himself. Barb's death will render him the heir to her debt and he will be of convicted felon + restraining order if she is still alive.
@@Hellwolf36 I think they're waiting to put Chris in a group home or at least assisted living facility From GiBi's videos it sounds like Chris has been doing somewhat better on anti-psychotics
"Single female companion" makes Chris sound normal, their sign would say "boyfriend-free girl". It's unique phrasing that i've never heard anyone else but Chris use.
@@TKUA11 Quite a sad world we live in where we place such immense value on personal pronoun choice and conformance to someone else's personal narrative.
@@sabias3932 at first chris was harmless, for such a long time he was predictable and wasn’t a sex pest. he for a long time wasn’t delusional but then in like 2012 he started mistreating animals and withholding medical care because he’s on social security and his mother is confirmed to have 40k dollars in consumer debt. he continues to collect animals and his home is derelict. it became sad when his trans identity was implanted to him by a group of people that pretended to both be a group of friends as well as having interest in chris. there have been constant groups of trolls yes, but more-so there are persistent attempts to enter his inner circles by pretending to have similar internests, by being flirty, and indulging in his fantasies to a degree that could be considered fanatic, all for the attempt at a little fame. the anima of chris is powerful enough that -anyone- and -everyone- that has ever ‘trolled’ chris has had their full identities revealed.
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Don't take this the wrong way, sir, but the way you pronounced "Sonichu" had me rolling. It's exactly how I imagined a professional not familiar with this shitstorm would pronounce it.
@CD S Depends, I suppose. Most people I've encountered, myself included, pronounce it as "Son - ne - chu" or "Son - na - chu." You can check out a variety of different readings of the comic on TH-cam and work out which one works for you.
God, I love the contrast in it all. It feels so surreal.. I hope this isn't the end for Chris, rather the beginning of something new and great. His life story could be made into a movie.. He's endured and absorbed trolling like a sponge.. and he always find new ways to surprise me
0:32 - Chris is one of the most well documented individuals on the internet with sources cited. There are presidents of the United States not as well documented. It seems like it would be questionable, but it's actually not.
The quality of the documentation is what's in question. Chris Chan has posted a lot of text, video and art, true, but the original work pales in comparison to the amount of garbage "analysis," pseudo-reporting and flat out gossip available on her. Everything you see about her is channeled through a lens of criticism, cruelty and hate. Worse, much of her activity has been driven by, and even dictated by, people who wanted to manipulate, control and then exploit her. That sort of chaos provides a lot of information, but it's junk information. It's garbage. Dr. Grande's job is to facilitate clear speculative analysis on the situation. But if Chris Chan is exploitable through her autism or other condition, and then trolls spend years manipulating her into doing random, weird stuff for purposes of exploiting her later (which is demonstrably, obviously the case - we've all seen the chats), then getting to that clear analysis is much harder than you think.
@@chrislogan33 That's such a good take. I've been struggling to find a suitable comparison but you've hit the nail on the head. Though I do agree with the OP that Chris is one of the most well-documented people ever (more so than Hitler I dare say?), even if a lot of that info is just junk. The downside, as the previous commentator points out, is that it must give people like Dr Grande a total headache trying to sort through all the clutter to get to the root cause of a lot of Chris's problem's
@@jeremysmatana8518 The problem with this is how open Chris is. Chris has no filter and will openly share intimate details of themselves and people close by, Chris has done so repeatedly for years; to the point of doxxing themselves, sharing explicit medical information, fetishes, ambitions and regrets, you name it, Chris has shared it, and more often than it turns out to be true when corroboration of some sort occurs. If you want to go the source of information, you can regularly find the source to be something Chris has disclosed openly. Something which Chris suffers from is his sheer gullibility and I've seen a practically uniform agreement among knowers of Chris that his parents exacerbated every single thing wrong with him. Chris has attracted a lens mostly of fascination, not of maliciousness these days. There are "weens" who still try to stir the nest but the days of the pickle suit are long gone.
It was inevitable Chris Chan would end up on this channel. For 15 years, millions of people have been speculating about what might be happening in a situation like this.
former nurse here. i remember a situation where we had an older lady from a facility as a patient. she was in her mid/late fifties, a small person and on the mental level of maybe a 9-10 year old child and she always carried a teddy bear with her. after about 2 days, we had to instruct the colleagues to pay special attention to her, because she was very trustfull and approachable. and there were visitors, but also other patients, who sought their advantage with her(like in the t.v.-room, everytime when no staff was present). never before had i noticed how low instincts show in the eyes of people who see a chance to do something immoral, like taking advantage over someone who has no judgment about the consequences. this really shook my faith in humanity for the first time, since these people, when confronted, showed zero remorse. as if it was their right to act like that. to be honest, i don't really want to think about what is done every day to people, who don't have the mental/physical capacity to stand up for themselves/ to defend or distancing themselves. i know that the moment such 'weakness' becomes obvious, many will be found who will ravenously jump at it. its just disturbing.
I don't understand how Chrissy can be sent to jail. He should be in a hospital or a group care home. There's no way they could put him in gen pop, and I question whether or not he'd actually be safe in PC. It's like sending a 10 year old to a federal prison. Not trying to defend him in any way, but as someone who's been following him since his internet debut, I don't think it's fair to send someone, especially in his current state, to jail.
The closest thing to a hero was the Liquid Chris situation. It allowed Chris to face himself and it was the closest thing to Chris had to a moment of self reflection.
@@EdgarStyles1234 idk man I thought the way he wrote his teacher into his comic as a dildo wielding super villain was charming and interesting when examined with the context of his gender swap later. There’s so many layers to this guy, but it ends with him tragically being put into control over his mentally diminished mother and then abusing her. Just awful.
I honestly thought he’d do something like this but to a child. Barb getting the ol pickle was a twist but yeah, fully expected him to do something like this.
If you choose to cover her: your take on Bella Janke (the women heard on the recording with Chris/alleged Chris) would be intriguing. She is a very dark one. Stay safe and well, Dr. Grande! P.s. Thank you for the Taco Bell humour. I needed the laugh today.
Most definitely. Good to see that he caught on to the interview. The way Isabella Janke interviewed Chris could be viewed as manipulative. She alone is also a subject of interest. The interviews with Zoey and Roman (former girlfriend and college friend) about Bella are worth a listen, or the interview Isabella made with Gungan.. that could be used as defensive evidence.
@@Hump4free yes, but in numerous past live streams, some even a decade beforehand, chris made comments about incest being good and his attraction to his mother. on top of the fact while bella was definitely manipulating to make bad things happen to chris, i dont think she was counting on him to actually abuse barb. none of her messages between her and the others she spoke to about this spoke of that. bella's goal was to set him up to humiliate himself so that a person who was legit interested in him romantically would stop being freinds with him. none of the records show bella blackmailing him to abuse barb, on top of the fact that when chris has been manipulated to say things he doesnt want to say in the past, hes almost afraid to say them. like in a video he was trolled into saying he was gay, he mumbles it clearly and beats around the bush about it. in the audio about barb he's pretty confident about the things he says he does to barb. he's very clear, not nervous, hes confident, he doesnt dance around the terminology in any of it, he uses all of the vocabulary involved confidently and even brags about being better than his father. chris has never been a good liar or a good actor, especially about something hes disgusted about. he was not at all disgusted talking about these things.
I have been trying to keep up with Chris Chan on that 50+ part documentary that guy is making on TH-cam but I haven't reached the dimension merging and arrest yet.
"I was able to merge my dimension with nausea" 😆😆😆 Dr. Grande, I think it's time to add additional disclaimers that your videos may lead to bursts of laughter...please don't eat or drink while watching.
With all due respect, we have seen a lot of evidence throughout the years that Chris-Chan is not a good person. They forced their neighbors to put their cat to sleep because it "attacked" Chris, drew porn of their friend without said friend's permission, repeatedly made death threats towards people whose trolling wasn't even remotely threatening (such as someone who made a parody of Sonichu), sold their father's stamp and record collections despite him clearly having stated that he wanted Chris to inherit and cherish them, begged for money on the internet to pay their mothers' medical bills and then spent the money on toys instead....A lot of Chris's struggle and anguish is self-inflicted.
I was just coming down to comments section to say exactly what you said. I'm not on the trolls' side, but I'm definitely not on Chris's side either. I also think that Chris Chan's parents should have done alot more when chris was a kid to prevent the trolling... i.e., turn off the internet and not be awful, hoarding, neglectful parents.
Chris-Chan is such an interesting case because everybody involved is just awful. Chris is awful for doing everything you said, the trolls are awful for exploiting him and his parents are awful for not stopping him. It's a vicious cycle, like Ouroboros; tail in mouth, choking on its own shit. If only Bob's original marriage hadn't imploded the world would be slightly better off...
I agree that cc these days is not a good person, 100%. But a person with high susceptibility to manipulation being jerked around for a decade and a half by people he thought were peers and friends, might have had a slight influence on the way they approached situations, their reasoning, and logic. I think more accurately someone who was vulnerable was taken advantage of for 'lols' and after a few thousand days of this 'fake' fandom, and people egging them on, that a lot of people, not just those with a learning or social variance would make bad choices too.
The whole situation is disturbing and sad…. And there are a lot of people who should be ashamed of themselves…. People find it funny and entertaining…. Wtf???
And then in the decades that followed the art style remained the same but Chrischan went on to unironically compare his simplistic art style to Andy Warhol
I’ve never clicked on a video so fast, Dr. Grande. I’ve followed Chris’s story from the beginning and this story is insane. Thank you for covering this!
I've been following the story of Chris Chan for over a year now. The trolls have made themselves clear... as deplorable, scummy human beings preying on an autistic man who is easily manipulated. Chris has been gas-lit, abused, and tortured for the last 20 years. I'm surprised it took him this long to snap.
What about Liquid Chris? Seems he didn’t really do much to attack Chris. If anything he just highlighted Solid Chris’ foibles. By demonstrating a better understanding of the things he acted like he was an expert at.
Nobody can force a person to go online, spend much of their time online, and be subject to what ever happens online. Seems like on some level Chan needed attention badly and the internet was his/her choice. She was probably aware she looked like a freak of nature. Kinda used that to further her cause. It spun out of control and she/he slavishly stuck with it. Having sex with his mom.......................well yeah, that doesnt look good for the chan man. Wonder how that worked out.
"Also in 2004, she started posting her comic to a website. Nobody really paid attention to it first, which was in accordance with the quality of the work." Roasted lol
I found some aspects of this video a bit flippant, a few things seem readily apparent to me about this case: 1. The quality of care provided to Chris and family has been sorely lacking 2. The 'trolling' or bullying frequently stopped being just that, and started bordering on, or outright being, criminal.
@@princesssprinklesthecat4192 Worse. He raped his dementia-ridden, 80-years-old mother, repeatedly, then talked about it like it's nothing and gave a detailed account. Now he's in prison, writing letters about being Jesus.
"this dangerous gas unlawful release sounds like it could of couse apply to pepper gas, but maybe it's also design for patrns of taco bell" the fact that he says it so calmly and experssionless makes it 100000x better
No, it means he has no soul, and can't even laugh at his own fucking horrible jokes. If you found a taco bell gas joke funny you need to experience something actually funny.
@@bidwell420 it's called dead-pan delivery. A type of humor. Also, it's not for you to decide what someone else finds funny, which by the way plenty of people do, just not you I suppose.
@@bidwell420 Someone made him shove his own medallion of his rear so sexual harassment/assault cases should've been charged a long time ago, people still have evidence of this situation.
my favorite part of all this is watching people stumble over themselves to figure out the most documented saga on the internet and consistently getting the details wrong
You should revisit this now that there’s information on the troll known as “Bella” on the farms. There’s a lot of evidence that she was pushing Chris to do this so she could blackmail him into committing self-end. She has done this to at least one trans student at her college. Also the person in the recording absolutely is Chris.
@@jakejerrison5181 Look deeper into this story, you would not believe what this Bella person has admitted to doing. Chris Chan has the naïveté of a child. I challenge you to find something bizarre they have done that didn’t involve online manipulation as a contributing factor.
Chris Chan's case is truly a melting pot of darkest and most sinister aspects of human psychology combined with very terrible upbringing, social environment, learning difficulty (LD) issues, gullibility, hormonal rage, sexual repression, sexual frustration and mixing around with the wrong internet crowds.
Yeah, because he admitted raping his own mother. Curiously msm is avoiding this case, specifically due to the “trans” identification of the rapist. Very dodgy.
@@sharifsalem Goddammit I literally can't say anything youtube keeps deleting my comment and I have edited and censored it so many times already. CAN I NOT CALL OUT PROBLEMATIC THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY TH-cam????? I STG IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL
@@sharifsalem Yeah, I may be in the LGBT community myself but all this virtue signaling and avoiding talking about pr*dat0rs and problematic people in our community just because they're LGBT is outrageous. Sure Chris Chan might not actually be 🏳️⚧️ considering he said he literally is just posing as a 🚺 to get lesbians to get with him but yeah this is so messed up 💀 He straight up admitted it for y'all who still think he's actually 🏳️⚧️, he's just a pr*d@tor (I have to censor this because TH-cam doesn't like me telling the harsh truth apparently) pretending to be to pr3y on women. Don't let him tarnish our community because we are not like this man. Sorry if this is a little hard to read but TH-cam forces you to sanitize your comments so much that you can barely say anything without your comment getting deleted, it’s so annoying (OH MY GOD FINALLY IT DOESN'T DELETE IT THANK GOD. WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG JUST FOR ME TO POST A COMMENT CRITICIZING MEMBERS OF MY OWN COMMUNITY FUCK YOU YT)
Dr. Grande, I am deep deep in the rabbit hole of a 59 part series on Chris Chan. I can only watch about 2 a day. It’s pretty dark and makes me uncomfortable. But, its like I can’t look away from this “car wreck.” So good to see you again Dr. G; as I have been busy working very much lately. Hope your family, wife and boys and plants are well. Oh and Bella the dog! Miss her sweet face!
How far are you? That series is one of the greatest things that exists on TH-cam. Also look up BasedShaman, he has videos where he reads CWCiki articles and has over 500 hours of content just reading about Chris.
Dr Grande - There are screenshots of text convos with Chris Chan that corroborate the phone call. In the texts, Chris mentions disclosing to the doctor that Chris had a new sexual partner and needed an STD test. It’s not clear if Chris explicitly stated that this partner was Barbara; however, Chris did, if I remember correctly, say that it was an elderly woman. If true, this would be compelling evidence for the police.
Screenshots taken by people who have been trolling the hell out of this person for years. The girl who was talking to Christine is a known psychopath, who is a part of a cult and does other weird shit on 4chan.
@@shuheihisagi6689 yes she has been trolled for years and yes this last one is a real pos (most are ) that does not however make chris innocent or even a good person. Chris is a horrible person overall, that isn't saying she deserved it either though. Just that there isn't and hasn't been any actual good people in this tale so to speak, might have helped things go down a different path if there had been
@@duogemstone So Christine is Guilty until proven innocent? Do us a favor and learn American law. The Troll who leaked this information has been accused of bullying a trans student until she commited suicide. She sells pills, and has been known to abuse her animals. Its not the most trustworthy source of information.
@@shuheihisagi6689 it is possible that Chris didn't do it it's also possible she did do it, my point was that just because the troll is a horrible person and isn't trustworthy at all doesn't mean Chris didnt do it either. It's just as possible Chris did rape her mom, Chris has talked about wanting to have sex with his mom a few times in roundabout ways and has a history of actually doing what trolls tell her to do for little or no reason so it's entirely possible and likely Chris did in fact do it The troll has very little to do with if Chris did it or not, the fact that Chris was arrested means there is a good chance it happened, it means the police have atleast some evidence to try to build a case I doubt they would arrest Chris and charge her over just the phone call and texts remember she was released with those in play and known, Chris was arrested a day or two later more than likely they found evidence during Barbs examination. Even if Chris was lying to her and making things up on the phone call (doubtful as she wasn't the only one chris was talking to about it though she is the only one chris said it was his mom atleast til asked about it directly after the call was leaked) it still doesn't make Chris some good and innocent like person over all
@@duogemstone For some reason my comments keep getting deleted and I have written like 4 paragraphs already. I wrote alot more before but I am giving up after this. Its Christine not chris. Even if someone is a criminal it doesn't mean we should ignore her perfered name. Its innocent until proven guilty. If you were accused of a serious crime, I am sure you would like the same respect. Only medieval societies had "guilty until proven innocent". Back when we watched beheading because it was "entertainment".
It’s so strange to hear someone talk about Chris so professionally. I’m so used to everyone using the lolcow names for everything that hearing someone break it down like a pro sounds so wrong to me😂
Hi, Dr. Grande! I was hoping you'd cover this. You may not want to go down this rabbit hole but if you do I would suggest Geno Samuel's documentary series about Chris. It's easily the most accurate and in-depth analysis of Chris' life although now the series is sitting at year 2017 of Chris' life and won't be continued till next year. It's also hella long! 59 parts and counting!
@CallOfDrewthulhu It's impossible to document Chris' life in any shorter a format without massive and glairing omissions, or at least gross over-generalization. The sheer amount of note-worthy activities Chris and his trolls have engaged in - along with the supporting videos, phone calls and emails - could easily dwarf all the publicly know information about the top five most famous people in history. And no that's not hyperbole.
@CallOfDrewthulhu Even with the sheer detail we have on Chris dwarfing basically everyone else getting anyone's story to the most worthwhile detail and not the normal major skips of most documentaries does require a lot of parts, like just quoting major parts of Mein Kampf and what they mean both on personal and grand scale would take up multiple parts in an in-depth (properly so) on Hitler and long videos exist just talking about parts of it since you need to talk about historical context and debate. Though Chris does take it up a notch in thinking revealing huge amounts of info is a good thing, a practice in itself that takes time to talk about.
I'm watching exactly that right now. On part 12. I don't know why I can't stop. It gets worse, and worse with each episode. Only heard about this person today. How is that even possible?!
This is such a deeply sad situation. I know some people with similarly profound social and psychological difficulties, and the harassment is just an unbearable addition. While there is much to criticize on the part of Chris Chan, they clearly needed help, not more abuse.
@@V_linguine Indeed, should I feel sorry for guys like Richard Ramirez? No, I'm not comparing Chris to him, but it's not like you're going to feel sorry for a waste of oxygen just because "Muh, he had a shitty childhood and mental problems" a lot of serial killers and sex offenders have had worse backgrounds than Chris and I have no reason to feel sorry for them.
What we're seeing with Chris Chan is an unfortunate inevitability caused by years of abuse at the hands of trolls, neglect from her parents, failure of the system on just about every level where she might've needed help, her obsession with finding a partner and her slow descent into isolation because everyone she's ever loved has either left her or died. Her life is a cycle of endless misery. I think she 100% knew what she was doing was wrong, but I also think she convinced herself that it was okay because she was lonely. She has shown in the past via vlogs, leaked phone calls and other statements made of her own volition that she's selfish to a fault and will prioritize her needs above the needs of others. She was never able to accept, "no, let's just be friends," from any of the girls she pursued. She always tried to twist their rejection into something more palatable. Being told "no" just meant, in her mind, that it wasn't the right time but that romance was still on the table. She was handsy, pushy, rude and inappropriate with her female friends. I hate to say it, but I genuinely think that a sex crime is the least shocking way for Christine's story to end. I would be more shocked if she got help and genuinely reclaimed her life from the trolls who made it a living hell for so long. It never should have gotten even half as bad as this. Fuck, man. Fuck.
You forgot the idiots who actually give into his fantasies of being a woman. Good job enabling his fantasies, are you going to treat him as a god too? Seriously, respecting his pronouns is awfuly transphobic. Stop doing it.
"The System" is what is responsible for Chris' plight in the first place. The people who run "The System" see this outcome as a win, not a failure. The trolls work for " the system".
“But maybe it’s also designed to target Patrons of Taco Bell” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Another moment where I laughed so hard that my cat became alarmed😂 Honestly, your sense of humor is the best. “I was able to merge my dimension with nausea”, that should be on your next Tshirt!
Half a decade ago, I remember hearing about Chris getting an infection from piercing his own taint and thinking "there's no way he'll top this!" I've never been so wrong in my entire life.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Dr Grande. How can people be so cruel? Its grown adult bullying. Disgusting!!! I completely agree with your analysis. People really make me sick.
The mind blowing part of Chris Chan's saga was that it was an open, very public saga for over ten years. Everybody and I do mean _everybody_ saw this coming. But nobody could stop it. Truly a horror story.
I mean, a lot of people decided to use a naive individual as a source of amusement. The Chris saga would never end well, but the trolls made it way worse.
No excuses for people who find people that they think are losers and do whatever they can to manipulate them, it's beyond disgusting. They are worse than chris chan.
It is fascinating watching a mental health professional analyze Chris Chan and the trolling scenario. I'd seen a fair number of lawyers going over the criminal law aspects but this is the first look at the psychological aspects by a professional that I'd seen. I sort of wish Dr. Grande could've read a few Sonichu issues because those are like a peek into the recesses of Chris's mind. And he's right: almost every primary online source about Chris is to some degree unreliable. Oh, and, for what little it matters, it's pronounced as "SONIC-CHU."
As a 'mental health professional' he shouldn't be doing shit like this. Monetizing his views on a case he isn't involved in revolving around someone he's never met. But he went to school in the same state, and looks to be about the same age or a little older. Maybe he has inside info.
@@bidwell420 Issues of professionalism aside, he still has the education and practice background, which no one else who's been mouthing off about this has had.
@@bidwell420 professionals are allowed to analyze cases from the outside ya know. What he does isn’t illegal in any regard or even frowned upon… hard to call this a “reaction channel” where you might have a point.
I have a hard time calling Chris "she" or "they" as the reason for the "transition" isn't because he felt like a woman his whole life, but because he had been having dreams of picking women up in lesbian bars & either thought or was talked into believing being trans would open the door to not only straight women, but lesbians as well, doubling his chances of finding a "non smoking, boy friend free girl to become his sweetheart" thus removing his virginity.
Absolutely. As a trans woman, it always stings when someone refers to Chris Chan, Harvey Marcelin, Donna Rebecca Perry and similar people as women. They're obvious grifters. They're not trans, they're predators manipulating the self ID laws we fought tooth and nail for. We need to stop respecting grifters who wear trans identities as a wolf wears sheep wool and call it out!
That's what I'm saying! Using female pronouns for this MAN, this predator only hurts the trans community. HE was only using the whole trans thing as a shield in order to go into female only spaces like Lesbian bars and be creepy as fuck! I wouldn't insult the trans community by lumping in this MAN with them.
Please make more updates on this, as sufficient new information comes out. You’re by far the most professional person I’ve seen covering this, as well as being pretty comprehensive.
Pleasant surprise in my recommended, for the last few years I've been trying my best follow the Chris Chan story (Mainly through GenoSamuel's amazing series) on and off, and have recently discovered your channel! It's very interesting to see Christine's life covered like this, and to have a window into her mental health. Amazing video!
I hadn’t ever heard of Chris Chan literally until everything came to light this past week about the situation with her mother. I’m so lost but more than anything, I’m horrified.
Some food for thought as someone who's gone through the CWCki: Christorians and trolls have a tendency to throw any and everyone under the bus both during trolling schemes, and when just talking about the saga. *If the trolls didn't latch on to Chris' bizarre nature, they would have gone after anyone else for so, so much less.*
I'm glad to see you bring up the relentless trolling. Everybody seems to be overlooking the potential for damage to the psyche that is caused from over a decade of harassment that undoubtedly contributed to the horribly warped state of mind Chris Chan is now in. Everyone is pointing the finger at Chris Chan for the act but not considering why it happened. The way I'd describe this situation is: The internet trolls created a monster without even realizing it.
Wouldn't you just stop posting online if experience was distressing and upsetting to you? If i was being bullied on app i would block people and/or just stop logging on to the particular app
@@User_Happy35 So, nothing / no one else in his life influenced him to come to this decision? Not even the decade+ of trolling he went through when people discovered he was an easy target?
I suggest you don't call Chris "she" as he has openly stated that he only identifies as a female because he was looking for a girlfriend and thought if he became transgender he would find a lesbian girlfriend on his love quest.
She has reasons you don't think are adequate, but the idea that you are able to determine the gender identity of another better than themselves is one that would lend itself transphobia.
@LegoGuy87 Why call bigotry towards gay people homophobic? Just as well as when a gay person faces irrational prejudice most likely based more in the perpetrators insecurities, someone ignoring the difference between biological sex and the gender expression and identity of "woman" is also engaging in a post hawk rationalization for their discomfort with trans people.
Please look into the case of Christian Martin. He is a pilot accused of a triple murder. It’s a really complex case. I’d love for you to analyze it!! 🙏🏼
“after watching several of his videos, I was able to merge my dimension with nausea.” Dr. Grande, fortunately you’re only one out of thousands with that same feeling and pain
That’s a little unreasonable. This was no normal name but a mash up amalgamation and besides, it’s a wonder this poor Doc didn’t unsubscribe from life after the deep dive he had to do on Chris Chan. He needs to do a whole video on the PTSD normies experience after diving into the deepest parts of internet culture and the horrors down the Chris Chan and his mom rabbit hole 🤮
We burst out laughing at the lack of power to stay out of jail. I do enjoy and respect how you may roast on someone, but you give them a very fair analysis.
It makes me sad to see an unstable person getting bullied and destroyed by idiots from around world! You should do a video addressing the types of people who take parts on these attacks, they are sick people!
@@bobohobo7652 his channel discusses individuals that are in the news. If he didn't cover Chris Chan, Doc would have been asked repeatedly until he had. So, yea, he did have to
Thank you for handling this case with such humane class! I've been so disturbed by the way in which many youtube channels have talked about a disabled individual being as you said mercilessly trolled and manipulated. The disturbing nature of the allegations have contributed further to this, so it was a breath of fresh air to hear such a sensitive topic discussed with some dignity for all parties involved. Thank you!
Love your take on this! Would love to hear what you have to say about Janke, the troll who was interviewed Chris about the abuse he inflicted on his mom.
The recording couldn't have been an impersonation since Liquid Chris had retired long ago, and no one could ever reach that level of chrischanness since.
I never thought I would see two of my interests merged in such a fascinating way. True Crime and the documentation of strange internet people. It's just two things I never thought would cross paths. And then mispronunciation of sonichu whether intentional or not is absolutely the hardest I've ever laughed at any of your videos
I have a very close personal friend who's followed Chris Chan for years online. It had me looking into his / her activities on TH-cam. One thing I noticed was it looked like much of the negative drama stuff seemed to be self inflicted. I'm sure much of the troll activity was Chan him / her self. Made famous by themselves. It was amazing how similar the troll activity was to Chans own content. It's been an imploding situation getting worse and worse over years. Considering TH-cam's stance on fraud and crime i'm surprised his / her's channel is allowed on the site.
Love the deadpan humour in the video, great stuff. Just a heads up though, nobody calls CWC “Chan” on it’s own. It would always be “Chris Chan”, “CWC”, or any of the myriad sobriquets that Chris or the community has come up with over the years.
i always wanted to see dr. grande talk about chris, but not like this.
Hello, Cue!! Can’t believe my favorite channel is commenting on my 15th favorite channel’s video 😉🤣
Also I literally could not prevent my brain from reading this in your voice hah!
@@DannyD-lr5yg thanks for the love!
@@Cuestar also read it in your voice!❤ You were the one who taught me about Chan forever ago. Imagine my surprise to see headlines 😬
Amen, brother.
I believe that the correct term for "romantic partner" is "boyfriend-free girl", thank you.
well, to be fair, "boyfriend acquired girl" is also technically a thing. But I don't see Chris becoming a cuck in jail.
that joke sounded better in my head tbh
@The Scarlet Shepherd
A for effort
A "Sweetheart" is also acceptable.
@@redshepherd32 Chris is going to get killed in prison, considering that he's 100% going to gleefully explain why he's there on the very first day.
Let’s see *Clyde Cash’s* card
"In any case, Chris' story is one that seems fated to not have a happy ending, with his life perhaps serving as a cautionary tale in the age of the internet. A tale of bad parenting, social isolation, gullibility, narcissism, laziness, hypocrisy, sexual deviancy, and most importantly, a tale of the world witnessing in real-time the slow, painful degradation of another human being."
-The last lines of Chris Chan's cwcki article after the arrest
You forgot the most important, lack of mental health care, mental health and bullying.
Hmm
Yeah, I think it will enter the Homeless Saga and he will off himself. Barb's death will render him the heir to her debt and he will be of convicted felon + restraining order if she is still alive.
@@Hellwolf36 I think they're waiting to put Chris in a group home or at least assisted living facility
From GiBi's videos it sounds like Chris has been doing somewhat better on anti-psychotics
"Single female companion" makes Chris sound normal, their sign would say "boyfriend-free girl". It's unique phrasing that i've never heard anyone else but Chris use.
People forget the old gems like "Sweetheart from the Ground Up" which Chris regularly used when times were.... simpler.
So much for Chris Chan being a she
Chris wrote "Single Female Companion" on his original sign, not "boyfriend-free girl". That came later.
@@TKUA11 Quite a sad world we live in where we place such immense value on personal pronoun choice and conformance to someone else's personal narrative.
@@Bryantzerox Fantastic does that mean girls with girlfriends still have a shot at Chris?
Oh god, the research into this episode must have been a trip. The Chris Chan rabbit hole goes deep, and almost no one involved is good.
Not Grande watching all 59 genosamuel episodes
It almost deserves a podcast episode, but it gets so deep and depraved even that’s not sufficient.
Anything regarding that individual involves a heinous amount of trolls and Internet predators.
@@Mouse_Lyne actually, there's a podcast version of it on Spotify. But it hasn't got the latest episode on there tho 😆😆
@@sabias3932 at first chris was harmless, for such a long time he was predictable and wasn’t a sex pest. he for a long time wasn’t delusional but then in like 2012 he started mistreating animals and withholding medical care because he’s on social security and his mother is confirmed to have 40k dollars in consumer debt. he continues to collect animals and his home is derelict. it became sad when his trans identity was implanted to him by a group of people that pretended to both be a group of friends as well as having interest in chris. there have been constant groups of trolls yes, but more-so there are persistent attempts to enter his inner circles by pretending to have similar internests, by being flirty, and indulging in his fantasies to a degree that could be considered fanatic, all for the attempt at a little fame. the anima of chris is powerful enough that -anyone- and -everyone- that has ever ‘trolled’ chris has had their full identities revealed.
I love how he refers to Chris-chan as "chan", as if this was a surname.
To be fair, it’s hurt for Chandler, instead of the normal usage of Chan in the suffix sense.
Jackie*
I was just thinking Japanese as an honorific.
That's Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu to you!
@@benr.4238 That's Jesus god cpu blue heart creator of sonichu from ruckersville West Virginia to you!
I never imagined you'd cover Chris Chan. The lore on this is almost as old as I've been on the Internet. Incredible.
Chris Chan happens when legend turns to myth myth. Can’t believe she was in that shrek animation collab
*He/It
That ain’t a woman bro
@@sampound9091 based
You jealous of bella's looks!
If you see a comment that says “You jealous of bella’s looks!” in any replies of this video…there’s a possibility that they are a bot. Please remove said comment(and any future comments from them)posthaste.
Note: that the 'real' cacti on the night table are huddled together. Are they planning something?
@mbd Yes, could be. Definitely giving off a sinister aspect, that one.
@mbd im keeping my eye on the one on the desk on the left, shifty lil guy.
They are STILL planning....it never ends.
@@mrsapplez2007 The family Cactaceae is full of evil and mischief.
No doubt planning a coup against the 'wooden imposters' 😂🌵 They know what really happen to those 2 ferns that have mysteriously disappeared 🔎
we gotta acknowledge that when it comes to human psychology content, Dr. Grande has *range*
Don't take this the wrong way, sir, but the way you pronounced "Sonichu" had me rolling. It's exactly how I imagined a professional not familiar with this shitstorm would pronounce it.
SU NI CHU lol
But how would he pronounce “Julay?”
I loved how he said it. So wholesome
@CD S Sonic-chu
@CD S Depends, I suppose. Most people I've encountered, myself included, pronounce it as "Son - ne - chu" or "Son - na - chu." You can check out a variety of different readings of the comic on TH-cam and work out which one works for you.
Hearing Dr. Grande describe Sonichu lore is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
"Soo-neechoo"
@@bxdxggxdxb2775 that made me chuckle too, and then I remembered that if sonichu was a real Japanese word that it'd be pronounced that way.
@@bxdxggxdxb2775 im going to start pronouncing it this way from now on.,
He could set up a separate channel just for christory with a scientifically-informed insider look at the mental health topics involved.
God, I love the contrast in it all. It feels so surreal.. I hope this isn't the end for Chris, rather the beginning of something new and great. His life story could be made into a movie.. He's endured and absorbed trolling like a sponge.. and he always find new ways to surprise me
“I know after watching several Chris Chan videos, I was able to merge MY dimension, with nausea” LMFAO I LOVE YOU SO MUCH
You jealous of bella's looks!
You jealous of bella's looks!
you and me both ... the matter of fact way he says this makes it even more hilarious
Oh my sweet, Summer child.
The way he kept a serious tone while saying that really cracked me.
0:32 - Chris is one of the most well documented individuals on the internet with sources cited. There are presidents of the United States not as well documented. It seems like it would be questionable, but it's actually not.
The quality of the documentation is what's in question. Chris Chan has posted a lot of text, video and art, true, but the original work pales in comparison to the amount of garbage "analysis," pseudo-reporting and flat out gossip available on her. Everything you see about her is channeled through a lens of criticism, cruelty and hate. Worse, much of her activity has been driven by, and even dictated by, people who wanted to manipulate, control and then exploit her. That sort of chaos provides a lot of information, but it's junk information. It's garbage. Dr. Grande's job is to facilitate clear speculative analysis on the situation. But if Chris Chan is exploitable through her autism or other condition, and then trolls spend years manipulating her into doing random, weird stuff for purposes of exploiting her later (which is demonstrably, obviously the case - we've all seen the chats), then getting to that clear analysis is much harder than you think.
@@chrislogan33 That's such a good take. I've been struggling to find a suitable comparison but you've hit the nail on the head. Though I do agree with the OP that Chris is one of the most well-documented people ever (more so than Hitler I dare say?), even if a lot of that info is just junk. The downside, as the previous commentator points out, is that it must give people like Dr Grande a total headache trying to sort through all the clutter to get to the root cause of a lot of Chris's problem's
@@jeremysmatana8518 Who is this her? Chris is a guy. Cope libshart.
@@jeremysmatana8518 The problem with this is how open Chris is. Chris has no filter and will openly share intimate details of themselves and people close by, Chris has done so repeatedly for years; to the point of doxxing themselves, sharing explicit medical information, fetishes, ambitions and regrets, you name it, Chris has shared it, and more often than it turns out to be true when corroboration of some sort occurs. If you want to go the source of information, you can regularly find the source to be something Chris has disclosed openly. Something which Chris suffers from is his sheer gullibility and I've seen a practically uniform agreement among knowers of Chris that his parents exacerbated every single thing wrong with him.
Chris has attracted a lens mostly of fascination, not of maliciousness these days. There are "weens" who still try to stir the nest but the days of the pickle suit are long gone.
Jesus wasn't as well documented
It was inevitable Chris Chan would end up on this channel. For 15 years, millions of people have been speculating about what might be happening in a situation like this.
Shit hey I've never heard about this situation until now. Haha. Should I venture further brown the rabbit hole or no...
Its mindblowing and im an autistic myself whos been using the internet since 1995
You jealous of bella's looks!
Yes!! This is the best comment!!
Never heard of em
former nurse here. i remember a situation where we had an older lady from a facility as a patient. she was in her mid/late fifties, a small person and on the mental level of maybe a 9-10 year old child and she always carried a teddy bear with her.
after about 2 days, we had to instruct the colleagues to pay special attention to her, because she was very trustfull and approachable. and there were visitors, but also other patients, who sought their advantage with her(like in the t.v.-room, everytime when no staff was present).
never before had i noticed how low instincts show in the eyes of people who see a chance to do something immoral, like taking advantage over someone who has no judgment about the consequences. this really shook my faith in humanity for the first time, since these people, when confronted, showed zero remorse. as if it was their right to act like that.
to be honest, i don't really want to think about what is done every day to people, who don't have the mental/physical capacity to stand up for themselves/ to defend or distancing themselves. i know that the moment such 'weakness' becomes obvious, many will be found who will ravenously jump at it. its just disturbing.
"Merging with the jail dimension." That made me giggle more than it should have.
It got a smile out of me. 😄
Sure grabbed my attention, thought it was Anton Petrov at first 😆🔬🔭
I don't understand how Chrissy can be sent to jail. He should be in a hospital or a group care home. There's no way they could put him in gen pop, and I question whether or not he'd actually be safe in PC. It's like sending a 10 year old to a federal prison. Not trying to defend him in any way, but as someone who's been following him since his internet debut, I don't think it's fair to send someone, especially in his current state, to jail.
@@pink_sock Allegedly
@@butcherax Allegedly what my dude?
"so-NEE-chu"
Not sure if Dr Grande is the best troll ever or not...
Please please please say "boyfriend-free girl" 😭😭
@NovaSparks why do you have to say that, I am using a Sony Xperia XZ1 right now and I don't want to throw this thing off lmao.
I had to run the video back a couple times to see if I could see a slight smile when he dropped that pronunciation. I... I think he was serious guys.
Dr. Grande... For great justice. 🇺🇸
Your ending statement articulated exactly my feelings on this subject. Rat's off to you sir!
this is honestly a tragic situation. Everyone seems to be a villian.
This.
There were no heroes in this story.
Human beings in a nut shell. We are no good or better than who we are no matter what we tell ourselves or others say about us.
@@hardfugoo1 the pickle man was the only hero in this story, but he vanished when we needed him most
The closest thing to a hero was the Liquid Chris situation. It allowed Chris to face himself and it was the closest thing to Chris had to a moment of self reflection.
Dr Grande looks like his soul has left his body and he’s just utterly done with the internet
It's called "deadpan humor", and I think it's hilarious.
Seing normal people discover Christine is a prospect I always knew would happen. But not in my wildest speculations it would be because of this.
@RedpillWizard Dr. Grande is actually happily married with children.
@RedpillWizard And what's your excuse for not having a wife?
@@jessl1934 Dont talk to incels. Leave him simmering in hate
I’ve been watching Chris’s antics for like 10 years, never did I imagine it would come to this. Horrifying.
Same here and absolutely. This is insane
If you've been watching him 10 years this wouldn't surprise you.
@@EdgarStyles1234 idk man I thought the way he wrote his teacher into his comic as a dildo wielding super villain was charming and interesting when examined with the context of his gender swap later. There’s so many layers to this guy, but it ends with him tragically being put into control over his mentally diminished mother and then abusing her. Just awful.
Really? I been watching him since 2016. I absolutely was not shocked nor stunned.
I honestly thought he’d do something like this but to a child. Barb getting the ol pickle was a twist but yeah, fully expected him to do something like this.
If you choose to cover her: your take on Bella Janke (the women heard on the recording with Chris/alleged Chris) would be intriguing. She is a very dark one. Stay safe and well, Dr. Grande!
P.s. Thank you for the Taco Bell humour. I needed the laugh today.
Most definitely. Good to see that he caught on to the interview. The way Isabella Janke interviewed Chris could be viewed as manipulative. She alone is also a subject of interest. The interviews with Zoey and Roman (former girlfriend and college friend) about Bella are worth a listen, or the interview Isabella made with Gungan.. that could be used as defensive evidence.
@@Hump4free yes, but in numerous past live streams, some even a decade beforehand, chris made comments about incest being good and his attraction to his mother. on top of the fact while bella was definitely manipulating to make bad things happen to chris, i dont think she was counting on him to actually abuse barb. none of her messages between her and the others she spoke to about this spoke of that. bella's goal was to set him up to humiliate himself so that a person who was legit interested in him romantically would stop being freinds with him. none of the records show bella blackmailing him to abuse barb, on top of the fact that when chris has been manipulated to say things he doesnt want to say in the past, hes almost afraid to say them. like in a video he was trolled into saying he was gay, he mumbles it clearly and beats around the bush about it. in the audio about barb he's pretty confident about the things he says he does to barb. he's very clear, not nervous, hes confident, he doesnt dance around the terminology in any of it, he uses all of the vocabulary involved confidently and even brags about being better than his father. chris has never been a good liar or a good actor, especially about something hes disgusted about. he was not at all disgusted talking about these things.
You jealous of bella's looks!
She sounds like a psychopath. If she did the things I've heard like trying get people to kill themselves. And torturing animals
IsaSmella Portobella and her funky fungus is a repulsive beast in and of itself.
This is both the best and worst timeline. imagine Dr. Grande covering Chris-chan... love it
Is Dr. Honda next?
"I literally can't even rn"
More proof that the merge is indeed happening.
I have been trying to keep up with Chris Chan on that 50+ part documentary that guy is making on TH-cam but I haven't reached the dimension merging and arrest yet.
@@OccultDemonCassette iirc that series isn’t up to the modern day yet
"I was able to merge my dimension with nausea" 😆😆😆 Dr. Grande, I think it's time to add additional disclaimers that your videos may lead to bursts of laughter...please don't eat or drink while watching.
Same 😆!
@@barbaragremaud3499 I wasn't ready for the succession of giggles throughout this one😁.be well
Omg the Taco Bell reference tho, @around 4:00 minutes in! Lol
I'm surprised he could say things like that with a straight face! I don't think I could!
Hahaha agreed!!😂😂
With all due respect, we have seen a lot of evidence throughout the years that Chris-Chan is not a good person. They forced their neighbors to put their cat to sleep because it "attacked" Chris, drew porn of their friend without said friend's permission, repeatedly made death threats towards people whose trolling wasn't even remotely threatening (such as someone who made a parody of Sonichu), sold their father's stamp and record collections despite him clearly having stated that he wanted Chris to inherit and cherish them, begged for money on the internet to pay their mothers' medical bills and then spent the money on toys instead....A lot of Chris's struggle and anguish is self-inflicted.
I was just coming down to comments section to say exactly what you said. I'm not on the trolls' side, but I'm definitely not on Chris's side either. I also think that Chris Chan's parents should have done alot more when chris was a kid to prevent the trolling... i.e., turn off the internet and not be awful, hoarding, neglectful parents.
Yeah, Chris and Barb are selfish assholes through and through
Chris-Chan is such an interesting case because everybody involved is just awful. Chris is awful for doing everything you said, the trolls are awful for exploiting him and his parents are awful for not stopping him. It's a vicious cycle, like Ouroboros; tail in mouth, choking on its own shit. If only Bob's original marriage hadn't imploded the world would be slightly better off...
But for me his parents are at fault. Chris needed much more help, or at least behind close doors.
I agree that cc these days is not a good person, 100%. But a person with high susceptibility to manipulation being jerked around for a decade and a half by people he thought were peers and friends, might have had a slight influence on the way they approached situations, their reasoning, and logic. I think more accurately someone who was vulnerable was taken advantage of for 'lols' and after a few thousand days of this 'fake' fandom, and people egging them on, that a lot of people, not just those with a learning or social variance would make bad choices too.
“She started posting her comic…nobody paid attention to it at first, which was in accordance with the quality of the work” LMAO SAVAGE !! BRUTAL !!
IKR!
I actually laughed out loud at this, amazing line
SHES ALREADY DEADDDD
The whole situation is disturbing and sad….
And there are a lot of people who should be ashamed of themselves…. People find it funny and entertaining…. Wtf???
And then in the decades that followed the art style remained the same but Chrischan went on to unironically compare his simplistic art style to Andy Warhol
I’ve never clicked on a video so fast, Dr. Grande. I’ve followed Chris’s story from the beginning and this story is insane. Thank you for covering this!
Following from the beginning, your parents let you watch this stuff? Lulz 😂😂😂
I don’t understand why you would be invested in something like this for so long . Feeding into this fucked up situation
@@mommybat2941 It's more like, every 3 months or so I'd just remember Chris-Chan is a thing and would check his ED wiki for any new happenings
We knew something bad would eventually happen, eventually.
@@MyGrassIsGreenest Exactly.
I've been following the story of Chris Chan for over a year now.
The trolls have made themselves clear...
as deplorable, scummy human beings preying on an autistic man who is easily manipulated.
Chris has been gas-lit, abused, and tortured for the last 20 years.
I'm surprised it took him this long to snap.
What about Liquid Chris? Seems he didn’t really do much to attack Chris. If anything he just highlighted Solid Chris’ foibles. By demonstrating a better understanding of the things he acted like he was an expert at.
"deplorable, scummy human beings" = intel agents
Nobody can force a person to go online, spend much of their time online, and be subject to what ever happens online.
Seems like on some level Chan needed attention badly and the internet was his/her choice.
She was probably aware she looked like a freak of nature. Kinda used that to further her cause.
It spun out of control and she/he slavishly stuck with it. Having sex with his mom.......................well yeah, that doesnt look good for the chan man. Wonder how that worked out.
The trolls are awful people, but a lot of Chris’ problems are self inflicted
Lmao this can’t be real. This truly is the dimensional merge.
We’ve gone full circle
Grande is basically doing celebrity gossip with a detached demeanor. This was bound to happen.
Hell yea, brother. Inshallah
more like dementional merge
@Liam McCann oh god this is Ralph Bakshi's Cool World all over again!
The normies reffering to Chris as "Chan" due to all of this is one of my favorite memes in years
Reeeeeeeeèeeee
Normies.. dear god you gotta love the people that think the internet is only for them:)
@@aeulogyforsociety2375 t. Facebook luminary
"Normie"- the ultimate compliment
@@aeulogyforsociety2375 shhhh don’t tell the chronically onlines that
"Also in 2004, she started posting her comic to a website. Nobody really paid attention to it first, which was in accordance with the quality of the work."
Roasted lol
Finally the weebs and furries can get together 🤧🤧❣️
You jealous of bella's looks!
@@qq2931 I don't want that lunatics looks at all
Never thought I'd see the day Dr.Grande talked about Chris-chan...
gives a whole new meaning to be careful what you wish for
Same.
Same
Shame.
Not gonna lie, I’d listen to Dr. Grande talk about pretty much anything at this point.
How did you know I needed one more Grande video before I end my day? Thanks for all that you do.
I'm pretty sure this will be considered a national holiday by morning
I found some aspects of this video a bit flippant, a few things seem readily apparent to me about this case:
1. The quality of care provided to Chris and family has been sorely lacking
2. The 'trolling' or bullying frequently stopped being just that, and started bordering on, or outright being, criminal.
You jealous of bella's looks!
Hes a rapist full stop
@@princesssprinklesthecat4192 Worse. He raped his dementia-ridden, 80-years-old mother, repeatedly, then talked about it like it's nothing and gave a detailed account. Now he's in prison, writing letters about being Jesus.
"this dangerous gas unlawful release sounds like it could of couse apply to pepper gas, but maybe it's also design for patrns of taco bell"
the fact that he says it so calmly and experssionless makes it 100000x better
No, it means he has no soul, and can't even laugh at his own fucking horrible jokes. If you found a taco bell gas joke funny you need to experience something actually funny.
@@bidwell420 considering your intense overreaction I imagine you’re that funny thing people laugh at 😂
I know, that was epic
@@bidwell420 it's called dead-pan delivery. A type of humor. Also, it's not for you to decide what someone else finds funny, which by the way plenty of people do, just not you I suppose.
I know I had to rewind cuz I couldn’t tell if he actually said it or not he’s hilarious😂😂
"...maybe it's also designed to target patrons of taco bell" .... 😂 Dr. Grande I cannot with you. Your whole analysis is golden as always hahahaa
I truly Laughed Out Loud at that one!
The trolls that messed with Chris Chan are heartless.
They should be held culpable for his crimes.
@@bidwell420 That's really dumb
You jealous of bella's looks!
@@bidwell420 Someone made him shove his own medallion of his rear so sexual harassment/assault cases should've been charged a long time ago, people still have evidence of this situation.
@@shotakonkin2047 That doesn't constitute assault; he did it to himself
The fact that this individual raped his mother and is now incarcerated in a women's prison is tremendously disturbing.
my favorite part of all this is watching people stumble over themselves to figure out the most documented saga on the internet and consistently getting the details wrong
I’m sorry I don’t understand what ur original comment was getting at
I'm not gay sorry
It's a minor annoyance for me too. It's like a book reviewer trying to give a synopsis when they didn't finish it in the first place.
@@countryboy3589 dr grande fucked up so much of the story
@@glassboxes What specifics did he get wrong?
"Apparently the power to stay out of jail was not one a person could think of"
This is an absolute decimation-- an annihilation.
Chris Chan and Dr. Todd Grande, what a crossover!
The dimensions are merging!
Chande?
The merge is upon us!
Iconic
You should revisit this now that there’s information on the troll known as “Bella” on the farms. There’s a lot of evidence that she was pushing Chris to do this so she could blackmail him into committing self-end.
She has done this to at least one trans student at her college.
Also the person in the recording absolutely is Chris.
You can say "suicide" it's ok.
Sounds like they’re trying to resolve Chris of personal responsibility in his heinous actions by making up lies and distortions. Typical I guess.
@@jakejerrison5181 Look deeper into this story, you would not believe what this Bella person has admitted to doing. Chris Chan has the naïveté of a child. I challenge you to find something bizarre they have done that didn’t involve online manipulation as a contributing factor.
From what I’ve read, for all Chris’ problems, (s)he is an absolute saint compared to this Bella person.
Came here looking for this, janke sounds like a demon incarnate.
Chris Chan's case is truly a melting pot of darkest and most sinister aspects of human psychology combined with very terrible upbringing, social environment, learning difficulty (LD) issues, gullibility, hormonal rage, sexual repression, sexual frustration and mixing around with the wrong internet crowds.
OH MY GOD YOU ACTUALLY DID IT. YOU COVERED CHRIS CHAN. *HOLY SHIT.*
I KNOW RIGHT. i had the same reaction!! excellent analysis as always.
Yeah, because he admitted raping his own mother. Curiously msm is avoiding this case, specifically due to the “trans” identification of the rapist. Very dodgy.
@@sharifsalem
Omg youtube keeps deleting my comment wtf
@@sharifsalem
Goddammit I literally can't say anything youtube keeps deleting my comment and I have edited and censored it so many times already. CAN I NOT CALL OUT PROBLEMATIC THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY TH-cam????? I STG IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL
@@sharifsalem
Yeah, I may be in the LGBT community myself but all this virtue signaling and avoiding talking about pr*dat0rs and problematic people in our community just because they're LGBT is outrageous. Sure Chris Chan might not actually be 🏳️⚧️ considering he said he literally is just posing as a 🚺 to get lesbians to get with him but yeah this is so messed up 💀 He straight up admitted it for y'all who still think he's actually 🏳️⚧️, he's just a pr*d@tor (I have to censor this because TH-cam doesn't like me telling the harsh truth apparently) pretending to be to pr3y on women. Don't let him tarnish our community because we are not like this man. Sorry if this is a little hard to read but TH-cam forces you to sanitize your comments so much that you can barely say anything without your comment getting deleted, it’s so annoying
(OH MY GOD FINALLY IT DOESN'T DELETE IT THANK GOD. WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG JUST FOR ME TO POST A COMMENT CRITICIZING MEMBERS OF MY OWN COMMUNITY FUCK YOU YT)
Dr. Grande, I am deep deep in the rabbit hole of a 59 part series on Chris Chan. I can only watch about 2 a day. It’s pretty dark and makes me uncomfortable. But, its like I can’t look away from this “car wreck.” So good to see you again Dr. G; as I have been busy working very much lately. Hope your family, wife and boys and plants are well. Oh and Bella the dog! Miss her sweet face!
How far are you? That series is one of the greatest things that exists on TH-cam. Also look up BasedShaman, he has videos where he reads CWCiki articles and has over 500 hours of content just reading about Chris.
You never heard of him before?
For anyone looking the documentary is by Geno Samuel
@Big Daddy there are people who never got around to those dark corners of the internet. Usually those who still have hope for humanity lol
@@rebel4466 not even dark, people were more free back in the late 2000s
Your sense of humor makes it possible to titrate the horror of the cases you analyze so excellently.
"Sone-e-chew" after all you've covered I still have to say: you poor, innocent man. Turn back before it's too late. The legacy has been corrupted.
I also love him referring to Chris as “Chan”
@@Marchingvenusaur yeah, that really cracked me up. Somewhere between a chortle and a guffaw, not sure but I'll take what I can get these days.
sahn-ih-chew
Omg omg omg omg thank youuuuuuu, we're so blessed to have you cover Chris Chan, this world is truly amazing
So glad you did this. I put myself through the entire 60 part documentary.
I honestly think parents should be exposed to an abridged version of that before letting their kids use the internet.
I really wish some one would do more content on Chris’s parents
I see you're a person of culture as well
It’s at 65 now.
@@mattmurphy1065 GiBi has done quite a lot on them
“WORLDS ARE COLLIDING!!” - George Costanza
😎👊🏻😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dr Grande - There are screenshots of text convos with Chris Chan that corroborate the phone call. In the texts, Chris mentions disclosing to the doctor that Chris had a new sexual partner and needed an STD test. It’s not clear if Chris explicitly stated that this partner was Barbara; however, Chris did, if I remember correctly, say that it was an elderly woman. If true, this would be compelling evidence for the police.
Screenshots taken by people who have been trolling the hell out of this person for years. The girl who was talking to Christine is a known psychopath, who is a part of a cult and does other weird shit on 4chan.
@@shuheihisagi6689 yes she has been trolled for years and yes this last one is a real pos (most are ) that does not however make chris innocent or even a good person. Chris is a horrible person overall, that isn't saying she deserved it either though. Just that there isn't and hasn't been any actual good people in this tale so to speak, might have helped things go down a different path if there had been
@@duogemstone So Christine is Guilty until proven innocent? Do us a favor and learn American law. The Troll who leaked this information has been accused of bullying a trans student until she commited suicide. She sells pills, and has been known to abuse her animals. Its not the most trustworthy source of information.
@@shuheihisagi6689 it is possible that Chris didn't do it it's also possible she did do it, my point was that just because the troll is a horrible person and isn't trustworthy at all doesn't mean Chris didnt do it either. It's just as possible Chris did rape her mom, Chris has talked about wanting to have sex with his mom a few times in roundabout ways and has a history of actually doing what trolls tell her to do for little or no reason so it's entirely possible and likely Chris did in fact do it
The troll has very little to do with if Chris did it or not, the fact that Chris was arrested means there is a good chance it happened, it means the police have atleast some evidence to try to build a case I doubt they would arrest Chris and charge her over just the phone call and texts remember she was released with those in play and known, Chris was arrested a day or two later more than likely they found evidence during Barbs examination.
Even if Chris was lying to her and making things up on the phone call (doubtful as she wasn't the only one chris was talking to about it though she is the only one chris said it was his mom atleast til asked about it directly after the call was leaked) it still doesn't make Chris some good and innocent like person over all
@@duogemstone For some reason my comments keep getting deleted and I have written like 4 paragraphs already. I wrote alot more before but I am giving up after this.
Its Christine not chris. Even if someone is a criminal it doesn't mean we should ignore her perfered name.
Its innocent until proven guilty. If you were accused of a serious crime, I am sure you would like the same respect. Only medieval societies had "guilty until proven innocent". Back when we watched beheading because it was "entertainment".
It’s so strange to hear someone talk about Chris so professionally. I’m so used to everyone using the lolcow names for everything that hearing someone break it down like a pro sounds so wrong to me😂
Hi, Dr. Grande! I was hoping you'd cover this. You may not want to go down this rabbit hole but if you do I would suggest Geno Samuel's documentary series about Chris. It's easily the most accurate and in-depth analysis of Chris' life although now the series is sitting at year 2017 of Chris' life and won't be continued till next year. It's also hella long! 59 parts and counting!
He also was just arrested for raping his 79-year-old demented mother he's in jail right now first court date August 16th 2021
@CallOfDrewthulhu It's impossible to document Chris' life in any shorter a format without massive and glairing omissions, or at least gross over-generalization. The sheer amount of note-worthy activities Chris and his trolls have engaged in - along with the supporting videos, phone calls and emails - could easily dwarf all the publicly know information about the top five most famous people in history. And no that's not hyperbole.
@CallOfDrewthulhu Even with the sheer detail we have on Chris dwarfing basically everyone else getting anyone's story to the most worthwhile detail and not the normal major skips of most documentaries does require a lot of parts, like just quoting major parts of Mein Kampf and what they mean both on personal and grand scale would take up multiple parts in an in-depth (properly so) on Hitler and long videos exist just talking about parts of it since you need to talk about historical context and debate. Though Chris does take it up a notch in thinking revealing huge amounts of info is a good thing, a practice in itself that takes time to talk about.
I'm watching exactly that right now. On part 12. I don't know why I can't stop. It gets worse, and worse with each episode.
Only heard about this person today. How is that even possible?!
I've always wanted Dr Grande to cover Chris Chan, and now it's finally happening, this feels like Christmas morning lmao
What a very, VERY strange and unfortunate Christmas for you indeed...lol
the Christmas on which you get a Fraggle Rock VHS
@@DonPeyote420 hey I loved Fraggle Rock
This is such a deeply sad situation. I know some people with similarly profound social and psychological difficulties, and the harassment is just an unbearable addition. While there is much to criticize on the part of Chris Chan, they clearly needed help, not more abuse.
He has been the harasser in several situations; mostly of young women he went to school with or who work at the mall. Quit feeling bad for him.
@@V_linguine Indeed, should I feel sorry for guys like Richard Ramirez? No, I'm not comparing Chris to him, but it's not like you're going to feel sorry for a waste of oxygen just because "Muh, he had a shitty childhood and mental problems" a lot of serial killers and sex offenders have had worse backgrounds than Chris and I have no reason to feel sorry for them.
*he
“Merging with the jail dimension” Is it just me or is dr Todd grande savage af??
He’s spicy and sassy af these days and I love it!
af brih
as savage as ur common dad joke
Utter Savage
Chris's Court defence is going to be
I'm innocent.
I've been framed by my evil twin liquid
What we're seeing with Chris Chan is an unfortunate inevitability caused by years of abuse at the hands of trolls, neglect from her parents, failure of the system on just about every level where she might've needed help, her obsession with finding a partner and her slow descent into isolation because everyone she's ever loved has either left her or died.
Her life is a cycle of endless misery. I think she 100% knew what she was doing was wrong, but I also think she convinced herself that it was okay because she was lonely. She has shown in the past via vlogs, leaked phone calls and other statements made of her own volition that she's selfish to a fault and will prioritize her needs above the needs of others. She was never able to accept, "no, let's just be friends," from any of the girls she pursued. She always tried to twist their rejection into something more palatable. Being told "no" just meant, in her mind, that it wasn't the right time but that romance was still on the table. She was handsy, pushy, rude and inappropriate with her female friends. I hate to say it, but I genuinely think that a sex crime is the least shocking way for Christine's story to end. I would be more shocked if she got help and genuinely reclaimed her life from the trolls who made it a living hell for so long.
It never should have gotten even half as bad as this.
Fuck, man. Fuck.
You forgot the idiots who actually give into his fantasies of being a woman. Good job enabling his fantasies, are you going to treat him as a god too?
Seriously, respecting his pronouns is awfuly transphobic. Stop doing it.
"The System" is what is responsible for Chris' plight in the first place. The people who run "The System" see this outcome as a win, not a failure. The trolls work for " the system".
Dr grande has to throw out his sonichu medallion now
"Her" . . . you know that's wrong; you know it's mad.
I was hoping he would of analyzed this aspect of cwc more and his motivations for transitioning.
“But maybe it’s also designed to target Patrons of Taco Bell” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Another moment where I laughed so hard that my cat became alarmed😂 Honestly, your sense of humor is the best. “I was able to merge my dimension with nausea”, that should be on your next Tshirt!
it's for his love quest
it caused me to get a Taco Bell ad on the video lol
I feel Dr. G is unfairly discriminating against Taco Bell patrons. My research indicates Chipotle patrons don’t fall far behind in this matter.
After I first heard this story, I wanted my vomit to merge with my toilet.
Half a decade ago, I remember hearing about Chris getting an infection from piercing his own taint and thinking "there's no way he'll top this!" I've never been so wrong in my entire life.
@@planetschlock yeah, we all thought he'd die alone in a cardboard box covered in gen 5 My Little Pony stickers.
Two videos in one day?
Dr Grande’s work ethic is off the charts!
I think you hit the nail on the head, Dr Grande. How can people be so cruel?
Its grown adult bullying.
Disgusting!!! I completely agree with your analysis. People really make me sick.
The mind blowing part of Chris Chan's saga was that it was an open, very public saga for over ten years. Everybody and I do mean _everybody_ saw this coming. But nobody could stop it. Truly a horror story.
I mean, a lot of people decided to use a naive individual as a source of amusement. The Chris saga would never end well, but the trolls made it way worse.
No excuses for people who find people that they think are losers and do whatever they can to manipulate them, it's beyond disgusting. They are worse than chris chan.
@@alisonmercer5946 +1
It is fascinating watching a mental health professional analyze Chris Chan and the trolling scenario. I'd seen a fair number of lawyers going over the criminal law aspects but this is the first look at the psychological aspects by a professional that I'd seen. I sort of wish Dr. Grande could've read a few Sonichu issues because those are like a peek into the recesses of Chris's mind. And he's right: almost every primary online source about Chris is to some degree unreliable. Oh, and, for what little it matters, it's pronounced as "SONIC-CHU."
As a 'mental health professional' he shouldn't be doing shit like this. Monetizing his views on a case he isn't involved in revolving around someone he's never met. But he went to school in the same state, and looks to be about the same age or a little older. Maybe he has inside info.
@@bidwell420 Issues of professionalism aside, he still has the education and practice background, which no one else who's been mouthing off about this has had.
@@bidwell420 professionals are allowed to analyze cases from the outside ya know. What he does isn’t illegal in any regard or even frowned upon… hard to call this a “reaction channel” where you might have a point.
You jealous of bella's looks!
@@notshroom Huh? No one even mentioned her.
I have a hard time calling Chris "she" or "they" as the reason for the "transition" isn't because he felt like a woman his whole life, but because he had been having dreams of picking women up in lesbian bars & either thought or was talked into believing being trans would open the door to not only straight women, but lesbians as well, doubling his chances of finding a "non smoking, boy friend free girl to become his sweetheart" thus removing his virginity.
I’ve been really curious about this too. I wanna hear what trans people have to say about it
Absolutely. As a trans woman, it always stings when someone refers to Chris Chan, Harvey Marcelin, Donna Rebecca Perry and similar people as women. They're obvious grifters. They're not trans, they're predators manipulating the self ID laws we fought tooth and nail for.
We need to stop respecting grifters who wear trans identities as a wolf wears sheep wool and call it out!
@@cheerleaderofdoom766 thx for saying this. I’ve been really curious abt what trans women think of this situation
Oh my God….. That is such silly logic.
That's what I'm saying! Using female pronouns for this MAN, this predator only hurts the trans community. HE was only using the whole trans thing as a shield in order to go into female only spaces like Lesbian bars and be creepy as fuck! I wouldn't insult the trans community by lumping in this MAN with them.
Please make more updates on this, as sufficient new information comes out. You’re by far the most professional person I’ve seen covering this, as well as being pretty comprehensive.
Pleasant surprise in my recommended, for the last few years I've been trying my best follow the Chris Chan story (Mainly through GenoSamuel's amazing series) on and off, and have recently discovered your channel! It's very interesting to see Christine's life covered like this, and to have a window into her mental health. Amazing video!
I hadn’t ever heard of Chris Chan literally until everything came to light this past week about the situation with her mother. I’m so lost but more than anything, I’m horrified.
Some food for thought as someone who's gone through the CWCki: Christorians and trolls have a tendency to throw any and everyone under the bus both during trolling schemes, and when just talking about the saga.
*If the trolls didn't latch on to Chris' bizarre nature, they would have gone after anyone else for so, so much less.*
I'm glad to see you bring up the relentless trolling. Everybody seems to be overlooking the potential for damage to the psyche that is caused from over a decade of harassment that undoubtedly contributed to the horribly warped state of mind Chris Chan is now in. Everyone is pointing the finger at Chris Chan for the act but not considering why it happened.
The way I'd describe this situation is: The internet trolls created a monster without even realizing it.
Nah, his parents created a monster. Not only did they give birth to him, they enabled him over the course of the next 30+ years.
Wouldn't you just stop posting online if experience was distressing and upsetting to you? If i was being bullied on app i would block people and/or just stop logging on to the particular app
He's the only one to blame if he committed the act.
@@User_Happy35 So, nothing / no one else in his life influenced him to come to this decision? Not even the decade+ of trolling he went through when people discovered he was an easy target?
@@xMiNdWaRpx No, only Chris himself is to blame. He's a grown ass man who put himself in this position.
I would love to have weekly sessions with Dr. Grande! That quick, dry sense of humor is right up my alley.
I suggest you don't call Chris "she" as he has openly stated that he only identifies as a female because he was looking for a girlfriend and thought if he became transgender he would find a lesbian girlfriend on his love quest.
glad someone said something, the creep is a guy and always will be
She has reasons you don't think are adequate, but the idea that you are able to determine the gender identity of another better than themselves is one that would lend itself transphobia.
@@jesuscamebackandyoumissedh599 🤓
rather say it like that than getting cancelled by twitter amirite..
@LegoGuy87 Why call bigotry towards gay people homophobic? Just as well as when a gay person faces irrational prejudice most likely based more in the perpetrators insecurities, someone ignoring the difference between biological sex and the gender expression and identity of "woman" is also engaging in a post hawk rationalization for their discomfort with trans people.
There is text messages and audio of him admitting to what he did, if there was ever a human being needing a mental health evaluation it’s chris chan
Yeah. And he addmited in multiple chat messages. Some of them very reliable.
Please look into the case of Christian Martin. He is a pilot accused of a triple murder. It’s a really complex case. I’d love for you to analyze it!! 🙏🏼
This guy is on surface level of chris chan knowledge lol, just so much info on chris is insane
You jealous of bella's looks!
@@notshroom huh
@@notshroom who is bella
@@notshroom she got huge milkers, thats for sure
I never wanted to meet a “celebrity” in my life, but I wanna meet Dr. Grande. Seems like he’d be a mellow guy to hang with.
Can you imagine drinking with Dr Grande and getting him loosened up? There's no telling what would come out of his mouth, lol.
Yellow is a mellow color!
Agree
@@lilyw.719 exactly! I feel like there’s a slightly wild man caged underneath all that intelligence. It’d be fun to see if that were the case.
Or a dry sarcastic cactus.
Oh boy, buckle up guys. This is legit next level
Man anyone know what the power level of this video is?
@@aeulogyforsociety2375 Its over 9000!!
“after watching several of his videos, I was able to merge my dimension with nausea.”
Dr. Grande, fortunately you’re only one out of thousands with that same feeling and pain
Thanks, after years of trolls discussing Chris. Its nice to finally here an unbiased professional opinion.
Second video?! Nice surprise, thanks Dr., we appreciate you! Needed the extra soothing analysis today a bit.
I love Dr. G, but pronouncing "Sonichu" so incorrectly would be like doing an analyses of Walt Disney and his character "Mikey Moose"
That’s a little unreasonable. This was no normal name but a mash up amalgamation and besides, it’s a wonder this poor Doc didn’t unsubscribe from life after the deep dive he had to do on Chris Chan. He needs to do a whole video on the PTSD normies experience after diving into the deepest parts of internet culture and the horrors down the Chris Chan and his mom rabbit hole 🤮
During the Liquid Chris saga, Chris Chan doxxed himself in an attempt to prove he was the real Chris.
“Maybe it’s also designed to target patrons of Taco Bell”
I can’t 🤣🤣🤣 your humor kills me 😊 keep it up, Dr Grande!
Was looking for this comment! Bahahaha, I was like is anyone going to talk about the Taco bell joke? 🤣🤣🤣 I'm glad I'm not the only one
Taco Bell or Toxic Hell? All depends on the way which the wind blows…
Cris chan has lived in another universe his whole life
The viewers: So Doctor Grande, when are you going to review Chris Chan?
Dr Grande: I'm working on it!
We burst out laughing at the lack of power to stay out of jail. I do enjoy and respect how you may roast on someone, but you give them a very fair analysis.
It makes me sad to see an unstable person getting bullied and destroyed by idiots from around world! You should do a video addressing the types of people who take parts on these attacks, they are sick people!
It would be a video on intel agents aka "gangstalkers", who Dr. Grande does not believe exist.
I have heard about Chris Chan variously over the last handful of years. I sympathize with Doc for having to cover this person.
didnt have but chose to
@@bobohobo7652 well in order to make a video about him, doc would technically have to research him
@@bobohobo7652 his channel discusses individuals that are in the news. If he didn't cover Chris Chan, Doc would have been asked repeatedly until he had. So, yea, he did have to
Dr. Grande, this was a very thoughtful analysis. This whole situation is so disheartening...
Thank you kindly. ❤️
So are most of the comments.
This Chan is a HE. He will always be a HE. As a doctor you should know that.
Cry about it
@@zawrator4457 So you wanna give a psychopath, who fucks his own mom. More power?
@@zawrator4457 i am
Dr Grande isn't a physician or clinical psychologist. He has a psychology PhD in counselling and counselling training/education.
@@Reticence9zen924 Your point?
Thank you for handling this case with such humane class! I've been so disturbed by the way in which many youtube channels have talked about a disabled individual being as you said mercilessly trolled and manipulated. The disturbing nature of the allegations have contributed further to this, so it was a breath of fresh air to hear such a sensitive topic discussed with some dignity for all parties involved. Thank you!
Your work ethic is almost compulsive. But I'm just speculating. 🤣🤣 Thank you so very much
Almost as compulsive as our checking for alerts on a new video upload.
Love your take on this! Would love to hear what you have to say about Janke, the troll who was interviewed Chris about the abuse he inflicted on his mom.
i literally spit out my food when i saw "merging with the jail dimension"
You jealous of bella's looks!
The recording couldn't have been an impersonation since Liquid Chris had retired long ago, and no one could ever reach that level of chrischanness since.
Hello fellow lophora enthusiast
@@McFwoupson h
The dude behind Some Channel does a really good one.
I never thought I would see two of my interests merged in such a fascinating way. True Crime and the documentation of strange internet people. It's just two things I never thought would cross paths. And then mispronunciation of sonichu whether intentional or not is absolutely the hardest I've ever laughed at any of your videos
I can't believe Dr. Grande now knows about the whole CWC timeline. I'm so sorry.
Never thought this is how the crazy story of Chris Chan would end. It is pretty fucked up, but in the end not that surprising.
I have a very close personal friend who's followed Chris Chan for years online. It had me looking into his / her activities on TH-cam. One thing I noticed was it looked like much of the negative drama stuff seemed to be self inflicted. I'm sure much of the troll activity was Chan him / her self. Made famous by themselves. It was amazing how similar the troll activity was to Chans own content. It's been an imploding situation getting worse and worse over years. Considering TH-cam's stance on fraud and crime i'm surprised his / her's channel is allowed on the site.
Love the deadpan humour in the video, great stuff. Just a heads up though, nobody calls CWC “Chan” on it’s own. It would always be “Chris Chan”, “CWC”, or any of the myriad sobriquets that Chris or the community has come up with over the years.