Street Fighter II Champion Edition: Arcade vs Genesis
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- This video is 720p60fps. Hey folks, here's my comparison of Street Fighter II CE (CPS1) and Street Fighter II Special Champion Edition (Genesis/MegaDrive).
Watch for some descriptive text throughout the video so I can point things out as they happen!
Because of all that, no more bonus comparison notes here.
#streetfighterII #genesis #megadrive #arcade #retrogaming #streetfighter #sf2ce - เกม
I wouldn’t call this an utterly pointless comparison as it holds so much significance to people like me. I love SFII and it’s just thrilling to see this iconic game side by side with it’s arcade brother.
It's just a fun name for my comparison series. But when you think about it what isn't pointless? 🤔😁
@@InglebardGaming ah… so philosophical. What is pointless? Or what ISN’T pointless?
Exactly!
@@InglebardGaming this is what I should be doing. A friend of mine and I talk about starting a TH-cam channel. I am a research animal and I already have an archive of books and loads of games. I have so much experience in games and love for them. Nothing captures my interest like gaming. It reaches into us and pulls us into a world where we can be Crono or Link and save the world. I love that.
@@brichan1851 I say go for it!
Subbed!! Great comparison! Genesis version with its 6 button controller was a game changer! The Genesis port hung in there pretty well overall. Would have been even better if it was a 24meg cart!
Thanks, glad you liked it! Also... Genesis SF2 Special Champion Edition *IS* on 24 megabit/3megabyte cart 😁 In my newer comparison videos I also list the rom sizes of the original and the port, this was one of my earliest before I decided on a final format.
@@InglebardGaming Niiiice that makes sense actually! Thanks for the additional info, I probably knew that at some point in time or it says it on the box. The gameplay side by side probably takes a bit of time to produce, it was very cool to see. I wish I had atleast the SF2 CE cart to display, that game sucked up a TON of hours as a kid.
It's one of two Genesis games where I have the cart but not the real box. A friend permanently lent it to me when we were (late) teenagers. Tried to give it back and he told me to just keep it, that he wouldn't play it anyway. He'd even lost his box, oh well.
The other one is Super Hang-On which I bought used from a local video store. They rigged up a weird size plastic clamshell of their own. Oddly enough, despite being one of the first Genesis games released, Super Hang-On was the last Genesis cart I ever bought - don't remember when I got it exactly but it was the latter part of the 90s.
@@InglebardGaming That is wicked! I was fortunate to have bought a new copy of SF2CE after game trade-ins, got the 6 button controller a few days after. I never did have super hang on, played it quite a bit of Hang-on on the SMS tho!
@@MikeC-ps1tc I always loved how projectiles animated into balls when blocked, just like in the arcade. To me, it gave projectiles more impact. It's unfortunate it's missing on the SNES ports. PC-Engine version still has the best voices out of the 16-bit ports hands down.
Yes the Genesis sound chip had the more arcade-sounding music at the time but beat ‘em ups were always more fun overall on SNES
I was quite surprised the first time I heard the MD/Genesis soundtrack and realized how much closer to the CPS-I some of the tunes were. I think it's because the Sega port's OST was actually based on the arcade while the Nintendo version was based on an arranged album.
I am talking back in the day when PS2 or emulation, the arcade 1 ups didn't exist. I am talking about 1990's where you had to go to an arcade & pay 25-50 cents to play games at the arcade.
In the 90's when these game came out, I rather play it at home or with friends on the Sega Genesis. I would rent this for $5 at blockbuster for 3-7 days & beat it. A lot cheaper than going to the arcade and more comfort to as you can stay home to play this.
Before we understood computer specs was that the arcade versions of these games were built on hardware that was designed specifically to run those specific games on those circuit boards. Home consoles were very different hardware spec wise.
A point in favor of genesis is that music tempo may accelerate when turning critic, but the partiture doesn't alter. I hate whe it changes
I do wish they'd included the critical versions of the songs like in the arcade version and the Genesis betas out there.
Great video comparison, snes and megadrive owners was both lucky to get very faithful ports of a powerful arcade board. Just subbed 👍
Thanks, glad you liked it and welcome aboard!
was not faithful at all ..both version are inferior .. to the arcade version
the genesis version got a nasty sound effect .and color palatte problem.. and the snes also had problem both
@@xtremegold2950 they were never going be arcade perfect, as cp1 arcade board was very powerful, but snes and megadrive did very well and played just as good. Owners of one or the other system had reasons to be very happy with the port. I think you took what I said in literal sense. If I could pick one out of the three it will always be arcade version, but at the time these ports was ready available and played great.
Snes was awful smaller resolution and input lag ruin it
@@xtremegold2950Eh the Genesis makes up for less colors by having more contrast IMO
I had special Champion edition for Xmas and I remember being blown away with how good it was.
I was mainly surprised when I heard how close a lot of the music was to the arcade version. It was also nice playing it with the Genesis 6 button control which was just much better suited to the game.
@@InglebardGaming that's why I prefer Special Champion Edition on the Genesis over Street Fighter 2 Turbo on the SNES, also just because I grew up with it.
@@InglebardGaming The FM music was the biggest plus, it made it "Feel" more like the arcade than the SNES, plus the grittier look and more accurate VS screens etc Sadly the SFX were awful which was a big negative. I loved the SNES punching sound. Overall I prefered the SNES. And its Music was good in its own way, especially Guile.
@@InglebardGaming i got this and the Nomad! SFII on the go! it was awesomer! plus you could hook it into a TV
I remember when these came out for the console. They were absolutely fantastic This was the most faithful port of any arcade game of the day. It may not hold up as well today, but it definitely was much more faithful than ports of SNK games and the first Mortal Kombat game. I cant judge too much because I played Pac-Man for the Atari 2600 as s kid and loved that I could play it at home.
Final Fight for SNES was an older game on the same CPS hardware and it was a poor port too. I think it’s a testament to when you got the hottest game on the market and a deep budget you can work magic.
Fond memories playing this in the arcade I used to blow all my pocket money on the arcade lol, I had the megadrive version and it was unbelievably close to the arcade well the 11 year old me at the time thought so lol happy days indeed, now I own the original arcade cab and the amazing this is it was the one I played on as kid I recognised the unusual dent in the control panel anywhere, my local arcade was getting rid of all the old arcades in thier warehouse and I saw it in the corner covered in dust and beaten up, a dynamo cab still had the artwork and original board in but missing the monitor, I rebuilt the cab and bought another crt and it sits in my game room and a cosy reminder of my childhood playing on the machine I played on as a kid, lol never has one arcade cost me so much 😂
Great story! I spent lots of time playing the various versions of SF2 mainly at 3 or 4 different locations. It'd be cool to have a full, authentic stand up cabinet of it, but I just don't have the room right now.
Capcom sound engineers are the heroes here. Lovely FM recreations
They did a nice job musically on this game. They definitely don't get enough credit for it.
What a great video! Thanks so much, man.
Glad you liked it!
28:06 A brick wall does exist on the far right of the stage in the arcade version, while a wall exist on both sides of the stage in the SNES/Genesis version of this game. Just like the lantern in E. Honda's stage, the console porting team mirrored background elements that didn't need to be for...symmetry, I guess?
@@oatmeal7818 There is one lantern in the Genesis version, which is arcade accurate. SNES version has two lanterns, which is incorrect.
@@Tempora158 yes 2 laterns only in snes version
The difference in the size of the ROMs is also a factor the arcade version was a whopping 48 Mb while the Sega Genesis/mega drive was on a 24 Mb cartridge. I think over broad Cap club did a competing job graphics wise. in terms of sound 100% agree you the MD/Genesis version of street fighter 2 sounds much closer to the arcade due to them being FM sound chips and 100% agree on there, that’s not to say just super Nintendo versions sound bad they don’t. They are actually a few tracks. I prefer this evening Nintendo version like Guile’s theme and Sagat’s theme alongside M Bison’s theme. I know this is one of your oldest videos, but this is one of my favourites.
Stewart fight came home to genesis big and bold and and and loud .!!!
I loved this game so much and played this game way more than I should have in my youth years .
Sfce was everything to my Genesis
Love your videos man
Thanks, appreciate it!
This was my favorite port growing up. The Genesis port definitely had this misfortune of being a port of another port, but despite that, and some of the flaws with samples, Capcom actually made a better playing port than the SNES port. So long as you play it with Sega 6-button control pads.
The gameplay was identical damn near. The voices on Sega were definitely scratchy, I can't lie. The music 🎶 on the Sega is also close to sounding like the arcade. In fact, I think it sounds a little better, and it's definitely 1 million times better than the Super Nintendo version's music.
Yeah, most of the music in SNES SFII is kinda blah or weird.
Mega Drive (Genesis) SF2 CE/HF is the only port that has the CPS Chain intact, but I dare say the Super Famicom/ Nintendo port was my go-to back in the day. The arcade board (Supergun) is another level, and should be pursued if you want the true experience. No other version will ever be Arcade Perfect - i.e. nobody has been able to accurately emulate the proper speed of Hyper Fighting - Mame and Capcom Generation 5 on Saturn included in that statement.
Looking at precise speeds is definitely out of the scope that I use for these videos, I'll never claim to know everything there is to know about the games I cover!
Regarding versions of SF2, I'll always prefer the arcade versions. It's head and shoulders above the others even though the console versions are all good. I loved the SNES port when it was new, but after getting SCE on Genesis I never went back, the weird sound and slightly less responsive controls put me off.
It's a great video, and great work!
The mega Drive/Genesis version is also the only version to have the arcade intro intact.
I have been playing Street Fighter 2 for the Mega Drive, SNES & PC Engine all last weekend and this week. I have changed my mind lol Here's my final take the Mega Drive port is the best and I do like the SNES version now better than the PC Engine version.
The Mega Drive version has the clearest RGB image and has a bit more fluid gameplay than the SNES and PC Engine version.
As a whole Music wise the Mega Drive is the best. Speech wise the PC Engine is the best.
As far as stages
Dhalsim - Mega Drive looks better and has a more arcade presence.
RYU - Mega Drive has the moon and is more detailed.
Ehonda - SNES looks better and has both of the Orange objects hanging on both sides.
1st special - Mega Drive more detailed.
Blanka - Mega Drive the music is better and it has more of an arcade presence. Snes is 2nd though with the cloud moving in the background and the music is good.
Brick special - A tie for the Mega Drive and SNES. (its not in the PC Engine version)
Guile - Mega Drive has more people and its more detailed. The music is good too. SNES no.2 it has better music than the PC Engine and looks better than the PC Engine.
Ken - Even though the PC Engine version has nothing going on in the background as far as the boat and flag. It still looks the best. SNES no. 2 as it looks good not as good as the PC Engine but better than the Mega Drive.
Chun Li - A tie. The Snes and PC Engine version looks better than the Mega Drive but you have to be impressed with all that is going on on the Mega Drive version with the people on the bikes coming out more and the MD version looks good too just not as good as the other 2.
Zangief - The Mega Drive looks the best. Its more detailed and has the signs on the fence. SNES no2 as it does have the fence (doesn't look as good as MD). PC Engine no3 (no fence at all).
Balrog - SNES looks the best.
Vega - All versions looks good but the SNES has the words moving. So SNES no1.
Sagat - SNES looks the best and the music is better on this stage than the MD and PC Engine.
M.Bison - PC Engine looks good and I like the music on the PC Engine version here than the MD and SNES versions.
Im a SF2 nut lol
NO.1 - Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition Plus (Special Champion Edition) - Mega Drive
NO.2 - Street Fighter 2 Turbo - Super Famicom
NO.3 - Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition - PC Engine (used to be my favorite)
Well now we agree on the order, lol. Thanks for your detailed breakdown on your opinions. I'm with you on much of it.
The biggest thing I disagree with you is Blanka's music on Genesis SCE. I like it, but it doesn't sound like the arcade one at all. It actually sounds a bit more like thr Super SF 2 version than the original arcade version. The SNES Blanka song sounds a closer to the original IMO.
But again, I'll end with all three versions are really good, especially considering when they were released!
@@InglebardGaming The music on Blanka's stage is good on the SNES version. I agree. How do you have all three systems hooked up. Are you playing on a Flatscreen or CRTV?
These days I don't really keep my old systems hooked up anymore. They're put away and some of the games are boxed up and some are on shelves, I just don't have room for that stuff to be out all the time these days.
When I play stuff now I pretty much stick to emulation because it's accurate for the 8 and 16-bit stuff and is just super convenient and takes up no space. I'm not against using real hardware or anything, I'd love to have a room dedicated to all the old stuff on CRTs, it's just impossible now.
The only "retro" systems I leave hooked up are the Dreamcast and Saturn. I have my DC hooked up to a modern LED TV via the VGA port. The Saturn is on the same TV via composite sadly, but even sadlier its drive stopped working a few months back anyway so it's not a problem :P I'd love to pick up a MODE or Satiator, but that isn't in the cards right now.
Unless I miraculously strike it rich, this is how things are gonna be for the foreseeable future.
@@InglebardGaming I feel ya man.
For the number of the jet, it's supposed to be Capcom fighter jet 512 which is based on the F-16 Fighting Falcon jet. No idea why capcom changed the number on the home versions and never thought about it since the homes versions also changed a number of things in other backgrounds when they were made.
It definitely has a reason foe the changes. VRAM seems to be the closest, it fits most of the console versions, but not the arcade version.
@@InglebardGaming No, it was definitely Capcom just making random changes for no legit reason when they ported it to the consoles. notice how on the SSF2 version of Guile's stage for snes and genesis they changed the number back to 512 and both versions are a little more detailed than Turbo and SCE.
The rom hack by Pyron also changes the number back to 512 in SCE and there's more detail on screen than Capcom's work on the game which means VRAM wasn't the problem. 🤯
Obscure fact only I noticed. Balrog/boxer looks suspiciously like David Lettermen in his win pose.
You ever play with Furnace Tracker? It's crazy, like Deflemask times a thousand.
Not yet, known about it for a long time now, just haven't gotten around to it. I will eventually. Been wrapping my brain around OpenMPT for the last few months since I needed to learn it for an SNES music project.
One thing to note Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition requires chips to convert it into Hyper Fighting but the Genesis already has Street fighter 2 Hyper Fighting on the Cartridge!
Yup, which is why it's the "Special" Champion Edition. That and they weren't contractually allowed to release a game called SF2 Turbo on any console platforms besides the SNES!
This was a great port of the arcade game. I’m amazed how Capcom achieved this on the Genesis. Compared to the Neo Geo arcade ports of fatal fury and art of fighting which were terrible ports
It's definitely a great port, I still play it fairly often! I'll always kinda wish Sega had done the port as they did with earlier Calcom games instead of Capcom porting it from the SNES and using that version's visual assets, but it's still fantastic as is!
it was an amazing port from capcom. the fan patches for roms are also quite admirable. showing what genesis could do.
also its definitely leagues better then the SSF2 port for gen... :(
and fatal fury 2 port from takara was pretty freakin awesome on genesis!! lolz. interesting u find it terrible...
some would even argue better then the original neo geo.
It could've been even better if they made the Genesis version first instead of using the SNES assets, basically all SNES Capcom games are letterboxed do to the lower resolution and it also helps reducing graphical load too, the Genesis version ended up being letterboxed too, which is a shame. There's a homebrew of SFA2 for the Genesis and the visuals are shockingly near-arcade quality, since this project doesn't derive from a watered down port like SFIICE is, we see the potential wasted there, not to mention the fixed PCM driver which is another missed opportunity.
Edit: I just reread your post from above and I agree, I probably wouldn't even post this message here as it's already there :D
at 10:10 why is there writing cap 512 and cap 64 on the back of the plane? is this the maximum number of colors?
No, because it's in the SNES version of SF 2 and SF 2 turbo as Cap 64 also. It might refer to either RAM or video RAM... the SNES, Genesis and PCE all have 64k of video RAM so I think that's probably most likely. The only problem there is that the 512 in the arcade version doesn't make sense since it has just over 200k of video RAM. Tile maps on CPS1 can be 512x512, but tilemaps on the home system aren't 64x64, so that doesn't quite answer it either.
Hopefully someday someone will explain this one!
The resolution on sf2 was higher on mega drive with 100 lines than Snes that look awfully strached on old CRT .Only the voices wore better .
Your statement on resolution is incorrect. SF2:SCE on Genesis runs in the system's low resolution mode, which is 256x224. That happens to be identical to the standard resolution mode on the SNES. Many SNES ports to Genesis ran in its low resolution mode so they could reuse the same graphics and only had to adjust the palettes.
Most Genesis games ran in the system's higher resolution mode of 320x224, but there's a decent chunk of them that run in the lower resolution mode of 256x224. You can find lists that people have made if you're interested to see how many and which games use the lower res mode of the system.
@@InglebardGaming somebody needs to remake the genesis version in high res mode with full size sprites and no black bars...i bet the genesis could handle it with todays unlimited storage
To bad that the genesis version uses the same resolution that snes.
Yup, would have been nice to see it at the higher standard Genesis res with redrawn graphics.
I wish someone would fix that now
Taunting hearing more "Hadouken!" in streetfighter game as a plus is some backwards praise if i ever heard it
It would be cool if you could compare the remastered version of the game with the arcade. The same with Mortal Kombat
The version on PS3 and Switch and stuff with the comic book graphics? I might do that some time.
@@InglebardGaming the fan hack that was released by Pyron. There is also a MK1 arcade edition both for the Genesis.
When I play SF2CE via Everdrive on the Genesis now I never use the original rom but always stick to a patched version with the fixed sample playback routine by Stephane Delongeville which was released in 2014. I see no reason to go back to those awfully scratchy voices anymore. Actually recently another quite good improvement hack was made available by Master Linkuei, called Street Fighter II Remastered. I recommend checking his channel.
Yup, I'm aware of all the hacks and they definitely improve things. I may cover them in a future video dedicated to that stuff. It's been done a lot already, so I'll probably hold off until I can think of some at least semi-original way to approach it.
and theres no reason to go back and playing this game on genesis hardware anymore..when you already have a sega saturn and ps1 perfect version of the arcade... playing this game on the megadrive is pointless now. its like getting stuck going backwards on a inferior port.
still playing this game port now a days is pointless back in the day maybe it was a good deal beacuase there was no other way to play SF2. snes or genesis in the 90s
the original megadrive console is good for first party titles and for games that was never release on other platforms.
arcade ports naahh .you have much better options today i rather play SF2 on the saturn or better on MAME or FINAL BURN. on a original hack xbox you gotta let it go buddy you just got used to it too much is a inferior and ugly port awful colors and worse audio plus smaller sprites etc
@@xtremegold2950lol it’s a hobby not an obligation. Sometimes I’ll pop in the 16 bit versions on my emulator for 15 minutes because it’s nostalgic even though I’m perfectly capable of playing the real thing.
SF2 Champions Edition back in the day was the best fighting game in the 90's
I like the graphics comparison
Arcade definitely Wins
Sega Genesis good Ports not perfect like Arcade version , they are missing 2 guitars players in Vega stage background area , in guile stage everything there just like Arcade, some of the music sound almost like Arcade , Genesis very close to the Arcade every stage and the characters
The PC-ENGINE version colors on screen is a lot more closer to the arcade then the GENESIS and SNES versions!
Genesis sound chip leaves a lot to be desired. The voices sound like they have a sore throat problem.The music is not bad, but I still think the SNES does a much better job with the audio on this game.
Have to disagree, a lot of the SNES music sounds terrible. They used really bad samples in a bunch of the songs.
The voices on Genesis SF2SCE could have definitely been better, I agree. There are hacks that improve the sample playback from the audio driver and make the existing voices sound way better.
Short of MSU1 hacks, many of the tracks in SNES SF2 and SF2T just sound bad.
what's that strange sound? Oh It's the genesis.
@Benjamin Jagun it's just bad. SNES had surround sound. THX
As good as SF2 was on the Mega Drive. Capcom really dropped the ball on it. I wish Sega would have produced it. If a game is not running in 320 mode in actual gameplay, I really feel what ever 3rd party company was putting out a game for the Mega Drive were being lazy or just was on Nintendo's side in reality. Makes since since Capcom had a strong relationship with Nintendo. Now Mortal Kombat 1 for the Mega Drive is a different story. Its a Masterpiece IMO. Probe Software did an great job on MK1 for the Mega Drive. Its my favorite version of Mortal Kombat 1. I like it better than the Arcade, Sega CD and SNES versions. You can't beat the Matt Furniss soundtrack (which is one of my all time favorite soundtracks in a video game), that gives the Mega Drive version a darker gory feel. It also has great gameplay (some say even better than the Arcade version) and it also looks great in RGB. Some stages even look better to me on the Genesis version than the Arcade like Kano's stage I like the gold look on the Mega Drive version, rather than the silver look on the Arcade version. MK1 is a Masterpiece on the Mega Drive.
Gonna have to diverge a bit here! Genesis Mortal Kombat plays prerty well, but it's kind of rough and sloppy. Probe delivered a lot of games that lacked polish and lagged behind the big Japanese devs of the era. Same goes for their ports to home computers like the Amiga and other consoles. I've always considered them to be sort of a B level developer.
While Genesis Mortal Kombat is definitely not bad and I easily prefer it to the laggy, sanitized SNES port, it could have been better.
@@InglebardGaming Are you a fan of the Matt Furniss soundtrack or prefer the Arcade soundtrack?
@@Atariatari-ky9teI'm not familiar with the Matt Fruniss soundtrack. Do you have a link to examples?
Sculptured made MK1 and 2 music sound like banging pots and pans. Probe at least had the foresight "well, we can't make it sound like arcade, so we'll just make it our way!" there's also physics differences between devs, the Probe games being more authentic. you can cite voices and graphics as SNES being better, I disagree. and I was a Nintendo kid first back in the day.
I'm with you on almost all of that, but as much as I don't like the game on SNES, it definitely looks a lot nicer with larger, better animated and more colorful sprites. Everything else, I prefer on Genesis.
For SNES sound, the low sample rates, overwrought DSP effects, and often bad samples used frequently make it sound really rough. When SNES music is at its best it's amazing, but the average SNES game sounds pretty rough IMO.
arcade rom vs genesis rom on your bedroom pc. title it correctly.
i remember being kind of excited when ps1 sf2 came out, finally an arcade perfect home version!
never understood the allure of the SNES ports. SCE may have had some quirks and flaws but I thought it did it all correctly. for being a noticeable step down in hardware from arcade, I thought it was a very solid port.
With the original, the SNES port was the only home version around for a while. In it's day it was amazing to have it at home on anything. But after getting SCE on Genesis, I barely ever touched it again. SCE is still my favorite version of its era, it has my fav soundtrack by far of any versions from the 16-bit era and I loved playing it with the 6 button Genesis controller.
Thanks, agree with almost all od your points there. I still just wish Sega had handled this port. I like it as is, but they would have definitely done a better job.
a neo geo port would have been the tits
Cool G1 hotrod 👌👌👌
Thanks, that's my original from either 1986 or 1987, not one of those newfangled reproductions 😁
So....we know Capcom really screwed over Genesis fans with this port. It could have been so much better with the tools that were available at the time it launched. My question is given how close the Genesis was to the arcade boards hardware how far could they really have gone? Keep in mind what Sega pulled off with games like Strider and Ghouls n' Ghosts so early on in the Genesis's life. I believe Strider was a CPS1 game while SF2 was CPS2 but still...I think looking at other fighting games like Samurai Shodown on the Genesis shows the characters could have been bigger at the very least.
I guess if you were to give the same amount of memory as Super Street Fighter 2 as Street Fighter 2 Special Champions Edition it could have been scary close. Now, of course you couldn't go 10 stars crazy and you might even have to dial it back to normal but I can see it really surprising us. Just look at the crazy fan fix of Mortal Kombat to see what I'm talking about. It not only has every last voice from the arcade and they are carbon copy good but all the backgrounds are in it as well. We're talking moving arcade backgrounds with much bigger character sprites and all running smooth as silk. No additional chips, no emulator needed, no slowdown, no flicker just pure arcade close MK1 on a bone stock Genesis. I mean it makes the Sega CD port look like grade A trash and the developers actually put effort into that one. Even Goro is bigger and runs flawlessly while Shang Tsung changes characters on the fly without so much as a hiccup. I know Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat are two very different beasts but after seeing that I want to see the Genesis pushed to its absolute max.
I don't think Capcom did a bad job at all with the Genesis port, but it IS kind of a lazy port of thr SNES SF2 games, using ported over graphics and likely much of the underlying engine.
SF2 was CPS1 up through Super SF2, which was one of the earliest CPS2 games. How close could the Genesis have gotten to the arcade original? Pretty close on everything except colors and resolution. If you look at a (mostly) contemporary game like Eternal Champions, the sprites were about as big as those in arcade SF2, so the Genesis could easily have handled the large sprites in terms of processing power. The big thing (literally) would have been how much storage space decently animated sprites of that size would have occupied.
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Doesn't matter if the megadrive version looks a bit better,those voices are dreadful and put me off playing,the snes version was always better however,I really dislike snes super street fighter,blurry and muffled audio
I used to love street fighter but have recently acquired an mvs for my cabinet and my god,real snk arcade fighting games blow capcom fighters out the water,iv got quite a few capcom arcade games on saturn ,dark stalkers 2 is the most impressive to me but still no where near the likes of kof98 or samuri shodown 2 or fatal fury special on mvs hardware,truly astounding,on another level,going back and looking at sf2 or ssf2 on cps hardware doesn't impress me at all these days
If you're an SNK fan, that's fine, you're definitely not alone in that. Personally, I could never get into most of their fighting games, there's just kind of a samey-dullness to most of them I can't get past. I was into Samurai Showdown for a little while, but I eventually lost interest. I still play various versions of SF2 regularly, though. For me it feels way better than any of the SNK fighters. The SNK fighter I played the most was SNK vs Capcom, ironically enough.
Vega's sounds better in genesis
Ken stage has long much better graphics in genesis than arcade
You're totally delusional
Mega drive keep intact graphics engine of cps1 and have identical game play . I hated the 3 button controller on sega I use to own. Snes never able to pull moves that involve d pad and left shoulder button . Still love snes for killer instinct and donkey kong series ,but due inferior cpu speed , sport games and fighters wore not great .
Whatever. SNES had surround sound and Genesis didn't. All SNES games had surround sound.
*Mega Drive has the best music and SNES has the best voice samples even better than arcade* ⭐️
Well, I'm with you on the Genesis version having better music and the SNES having better voices than the Genesis version. But those muffled SNES voices definitely aren't better than the arcade version 😁
Mega drive sound is a complicated topic due to the different soundchips used. I prefere the snes sound. The md had a flat mushy sound. Imo.
@@martinmoller4947 Yeah, I also never get why "closer to the arcade" is considered better, when those arcade soundtracks were just made to be loud and not defined, since arcades had lots of overlapping noises from several machines to cope with (specially in those years between 1990 and 1993). The SNES Soundtrack is far from perfect (using Capcom's tinny standard sample set, which is far below SNES-par), but the remix on SNES as such is pretty darn good.
@@retropolis1 the problem with the md soundchip was that the default values were crap and Sega even told that the devs but most devs didnt care. There are also good soundtracks of Genesis games. But you had to know the hw. To say it in simple words as i am not a coder or engineer. Mega Turrican has a amazing soundtrack and looks amazing. I think some snes cartridges had sound enhancement chips.
@@martinmoller4947 Nope, there were no sound enhancement chips on SNES carts. NES-Era yes, but not SNES. All sounds you will ever hear on SNES are made by the original hardware. And yes, there are some amazing Mega Drive soundtracks, for sure. See Thunderforce 3 and 4, the Sonic games, Gunstar Heroes, and of course Mega Turrican.
Makes me wish someone would do a fan hack with the Arcade sprites replacing the scaled down SNES sprites they used in the MD version here.
Yes, too bad they used the low resolution mode (256x224) instead of normal resolution (320x224).
Yeah, I really wish they'd designed it to take advantage of the Genesis' capabilities. Maybe some daring homebrew dev will make a new port!
The snes 3mhz cpu was not able to run the SF2 of normal speed .The hole thing was shrink and suffered awful slow down clear visible when shooting things across the screen. Very different game play, then arcade just good enough if you didn't have nothing else. Very overrated
@@DaniKarmann No they haven't all megadrive games are 320 my capture card shows.
@@InglebardGamingThe arcade had similar hardware like genesis a bit overclock
You should compare the MiSTer vs arcade hw vs og console hw.
I'd like to do some videos on the MiSTer, but unfortunately I don't have one or the $300+ to spend on one at the moment.
@@InglebardGaming ok. Its really not cheap but worth every cent. A bargain if you think about the many systems you get in fpga quality.
If I'm ever in the position to get one I definitely will. But I have to say, I've watched a ton of videos showing the MiSTer and it doesn't seem like the experience it provides is all that different from most mature, high end emulators, particularly cycle accurate ones running on PCs.
Another thing I saw that surprised me was how inaccurate sound was in a few cores. Some of that may have been cleaned up by now, but I remember the GameBoy cores in particular sounding nothing at all like the real thing the last time I saw/heard them.
I'm not anti-FPGA or anything, I'm all for them. But people sometimes forget those cores still need to be programmed by people and depending on their skill and the available documentation on the chips they're simulating there's plenty of room for FPGA cores to end up with flaws.
@@InglebardGaming Gameboy and gba core are now on a very accurate level. Even with save states and rwd/fwd. Also neo geo, nes, snes, mega drive, tg16 sound is excellent. These cores are used frequently by me and especially gb/gba evolved in the last 6 months a lot. My biggest issue with emulation is the wrong not synchronized audio. I had never emulation which felt as accurate as fpga solutions. Also own a super NT which is also very accurate but is hardly used since i have the MiSTer. And i own almost every mini console released. Some people dont feel the emulation lag. And emulation is on a high level nowadays but 3 years ago the raspi emulation was horrible. Also fpga is conserving old hw which will not last forever. I dont see emulation as the future of retro gaming. Too many flaws and tweaking the emu software and OS software on which its running makes emulation too complicated. Some arcade board cores on the MiSTer still have sound issues but im sure it will get fixed. Dodonpachi core is really good and the sound is almost perfect. The MiSTer community is not as big as the emu community but what they have accomplished the last 2 years is just impressive.
@@InglebardGaming hardly any emulation is accurate but they are working on it 10 + years. And i guess there are emulation coders with skills. Kevtris developed the Super NT in a year. Most accurate snes there is. As a plug n play solution.
Not a fair comparison. Arcade is more superior.
Uh, it's as fair a comparison as you can get, that doesn't mean one version isn't better than the other 😁
The idea is to see how close they were able to get the game in less capable hardware.
@@InglebardGaming right.
closer audio does not equal better better
Not always. But in this case it does.
PS SNES Ken's theme is great, you on some bad mushrooms or sumthin'.
Holy shit! does the Genesis version sound horrible!!! It literally hurt my ears to hear it.
The fact that genesis sound imitates arcade doesen't make it better, not if it turns to be an inferior attempt. Snes sound music is better, different from arcade, but better than genesis
I appreciate your opinion but for the most part I disagree. I'll grant that one or two songs (mainly Blanka's and Bison's stages) sound better on SNES - but I think most of the songs sound better in the Genesis version of the game.
I would also reverse your point and say just because a system can produce more realistic sounding instruments doesn't matter if the songs are put together poorly. Ken's stage, for example, sounds terrible on the SNES, as does Vega's and a few others.
A few songs also sound close between the two versions and I could see someone preferring either version.
Overall, I easily prefer the Genesis soundtrack in this game to the SNES version. If we were to talk about the music in Super Street Fighter II... then yeah, I'd be with you that the SNES version sounds better. SSF2 sounds terrible on the Genesis.
@@InglebardGaming Not only Blanka's and M bison's, but Chun-li's Ryu's, and Zangief's. In these three in particular, a background sinth can be heard, while their arcade and specially genesis versions it is saturated if not simple absent.
@@InglebardGaming Yes, I agree, Ken's sound better in genesis. It's snes version makes laugh
@@InglebardGaming As for super sf2, it is DISSAPOINTING, being a later game it should be more advanced, I couldn't believe what happened
The SNES music sounds muffled and like a heavily compressed MIDI
theres no reason to go back and playing this game on genesis hardware anymore..when you already have a sega saturn and ps1 perfect version of the arcade... playing this game on the megadrive is pointless now even with the hack the brazilian made.its like getting stuck going backwards on a inferior port
By that logic there's would be no retrogaming scene, no rereleases of old games on new systems, no retroconsoles, no FPGA gaming or any of that. Why bother with old, outdated games?
Anyway, I obviously disagree, but your opinion is yours and you're welcome to it here. The point of the comparison videos is to show how well devs with much stricter technical limatations managed to squeeze games down onto the home systems.
This game in particular has found its way into several recent commercial products so while you have no interest in it, which is fine, others do.
@@InglebardGaming all i can say is a inferior port of a arcade game..pointless when you already have other options on the saturn and ps1 perfect ports SF2
is not a exclusive title for genesis SF2CH had a bag of problems also mainly in sound effects.. remenbering getting this when it came out back in 1993 .was dissapointed with the sound effects. however it did play well..
nahh is NOT fantastic your smoking something in there. however the gameplay with the 6 button controller are fine. but in the end is a inferior port game had issues sounds and color palatte
i rather play this on the saturn or ps1 versions mainly on the saturn like i said is pointless going back on the megadrive version or snes.. i only play exclusives titles on the genesis original hardware. arcade port no
Sega Genesis version in the arcade version is different by night and Day the character models that's in the background are all different colors some of them are taller than others some boards like Chun-Li board have The Rock in the center of the screen with the arcade version and the Sega Genesis version Don't the sound is different the music is different the Sega Genesis version is a totally new version like built from the ground up we was duped as kids and we paid $50 for this shit
You wore lucky the snes cost 69.99 pounds when relised
@@iulianispas8634 wow thats a lot of money
melhor versão 16 bits é do mega drive(genesis).
This one is definitely my favorite of the contemporary home versions!
god your eyes are weird its like your looking through me.. icy stare
The magic of terrible lighting, bad camera angles and lack of experience, lol. This was one of the first videos I ever did, the new ones look much more normal.
that is the cheapest move set i have ever seen in my life.
OK? The point of the video was the show how the two versions looked, sounded and played next to each other. Anyway, I don't know where you get the idea that 2 and 3-hit combos in SF2 versions are cheap moves from, but whatever. Back in the arcade days, the infamous block throw was the cheap move that was likely to start an actual fight at the arcade and everything else was always fine.
Pyron peida pra tu brutos
Just to make sure Google Translate isn't going crazy, this translated as "Pyron farts for you brutes"... so is that correct?
@@InglebardGaming compare a versão hack de pyron remastered com essa arcade version
I may do that down the line, Pyron has definitely done great work on a bunch of Genesis games. But for the most part, I'm interested in showing how 'official' home ports that were released back in the day compared to the originals versions.
I am considering doing some separate videos showing off a lot of the awesome hacks that people have done on various systems. So Pyron's work would definitely show up in something like that.
Genesis haa crappy music