Bought a 1969 single wide 12’ wide x 32’ long single wide, gutted it, insulated it, new wire, drywall, quartz countertops, new kitchen cabinets, LED lighting, tiled the tub surround in glass and mosaic, shower tower, bidet toilet. smart switches and speakers. Its like a tiny house but better. I live near the Pacific Ocean in LA County,CA, land rent is about $1000/month but all other SFR homes up in the area are over $1-1.5 million and their property taxes are more than my land rent.
It is a very good book for beginners as well as for those that are already into th-cam.com/users/postUgkxTNB_zFBSnTo_O1PqfVUwgi7ityw0JlKt A very good basic ebook to keep as a reference too. I like it and the way the subject matter is presented. It has humor and that helps with the reading.
At the price tiny homes are being made for these days, they aren't cost effective any more. When TH were first thought of, they were something a person with little funds could build and live in inexpensively, but that is no longer the case. Now it has been changed into some sort of status symbol. Changing it into a fad always seems to wreck a good idea.
No, tiny homes have existed for most of human history. Moveable homes like modern tiny homes have been done for decades. Some of the earliest examples, like house trucks, go back to the 1920's. While fads, by definition, only last a short time, but the modern tiny house movement has been around for well over a decade now. Even commercially there's companies like Tumbleweed that were founded back in 2001 and people like Jay Shaffer that are credited for starting the modern movement made their first THOWs back in the 90's and they're still going strong in 2021... So it's most definitely not a fad! Heck, laws are being changed for Tiny Houses, the 2018 IRC included Appendix Q that added building code specifically for Tiny Houses on foundations 400 Sq Ft or less and in the States at least there are places that will recognize a THOW as an ADU and some will even offer the option to put a THOW into a foundation to then recognize it as a residential home. While tiny homes don't have to be expensive, most people are just doing them custom which is the most expensive way to build but it allows for the highest quality and the most control over what you get for the money. It's like the difference from going to a custom furniture maker from just getting something from Ikea, who can sell you complete furniture for less than just the hardware will cost a custom furniture maker... Mass produce Tiny Homes in factories and the price can go way down to even a fraction of what a custom built THOW costs... There are just always trade offs and reasons for costs, most people just have no idea what they're paying for and looking at the most expensive home doesn't mean there's no cheaper options... It's like looking at a Bugatti, one of the most expensive car brands in the world, and think all cars have to cost over $100K when you can get a Smart Car or other budget option for a lot less... Seriously, people are doing Tiny Homes for as little as a few thousand. Costs aren't written in stone and the same for everything, details matter! Everything can be built to varying levels of quality, number of features, materials, sizes, efficiency of build costs, etc. and so they're not all going to be directly equivalent to each other because there will often be significant differences. Like most people building large houses aren't putting 9-11 windows, a kitchen and bathroom, living room and a bedroom with exterior grade walls every 200 Sq Ft but that's pretty common for tiny houses because they have to pack a lot of functionality into a smaller space. Add custom, which usually starts at 50% increase in cost for large homes and goes up to over 4 times as much and building equivalently to a custom built THOW can cost upwards into the millions for an apples to apples comparison. Never mind it's also a matter of people with different needs... A single person living alone is going to need a lot less than a large family, or people with special needs who may need more just to live a normal life. Locations also plays a factor as that will effect costs, climate zone the home will have to be able to handle, etc. There's no one size fits all standard that everyone can always fit into or do so as well as others. So that's another reason costs will always vary...
Tiny homes built for the homeless almost always get targeted and destroyed by the city they are located in, once it's a source of income for said community than it's tolerated but still looked down apoun, sad it's so expensive to live with common sense.
If you build the way original tiny homers did, recycle fence palings use cabinets from the curbside or Craigslist, do your own labor, you can get a very reasonable price. It's just that lots of people have caught on to how make money off building them for you, plus, a lot of people do have the $$ for nicer ones; that's what drives up the price. If you're not set on a slick modern one, you can do really well.
The reason Tiny homes are so popular right now is all marketing. You say single wide to a person and the first thing that comes to mind is Trailer or Trailer Park, were a Tiny home people think cute and trendy. Its the same with an RV if you tell people you live in an RV and don't have a home too, people think something bad happened in your life.
@@SuperSerenity44 try telling people who wouldn’t ever buy a wagon that they paid $5000 More for that same wagon but lifted a few inches and a SUV sticker on it.😂😂
I've lived in a trailer and yea it is cheaper but the structure of one doesnt last ...the heating is expensive and the heat leaks out. The rent may be cheaper but by the time u pay your propane for cooking gas/oil for heating and hot water and electric ...well its about the same cost of renting an Apartment. So if u want a trailer ur better off buying your own land to put it on and use solar and wood stove also insolate the trailer better
I like to think of tiny homes as gentrified trailers -- when I was young, I was ashamed of living in a trailer. Cheap housing? Pshaw. I love a lot of the innovations of tiny houses...but you can't tell me spending $65k on a 400sqft box without room to stand up in your bedroom is reasonable.
Great presentation, Kerry. Tiny homes just don't provide enough living space for me. Manufactured homes, on the other hand, are preferable size-wise, but I prefer to own the land myself rather than paying rent to someone else. That said, either option is definitely more affordable than purchasing a single family home with a large bank loan. And God knows we need more affordable housing, now and into the future.
I work as a Contractor ( Builder-Remodeler) going on 46 years so far and choose to live in a manufactured home that is a UnMobile Mobile Home. HaHa ! Am a ReSingled person with my dog and that square footage is really all that I need. It was used , so I just Upgraded as I wanted to. Keep life simple and unclutered and a good balance .
I own a manufacture home, (rental) and gives me the extra income for my retirement. Currently converting a 16 by 12 shed into a tiny home on same property.
I've lived in a tiny single wide for 30 years now in a nice little park in my city, close to everything, by a small river where in the spring eagles can commonly be seen flying. Lot rent is $260/month including water and sewage. There are 5 empty lots here because people don't want to buy single wides anymore, the only size that will fit here. I don't know how much longer this court will be here since the value of it's land has skyrocketed in recent years. I anticipate it will be sold and condos with boat slips will be built on the river with maybe a small hotel in the front which has a 4 lane street and is just a mile from the Interstate. Then it will be everybody out and there are many senior citizens here living on fixed incomes, including me.
Unfortunately when location is valuable, reuse or repurpose is inevitable. There was a senior apartment right on the beach in Santa Monica. It was bought by developers 10/15 years ago. A few residents refused to move because they couldn’t find any place close that they could afford. It was so sad to see them cry and be despondent. I wonder if they are still alive or where they are today.
I watched a couple selling their's because they had a child. They sold everything moved to a new state because their's did not allow tiny houses. Now selling tiny and moving back.
It's true. Mine has updated windows. doors. siding.roof.new insulation and floors on two acres of wooded land for 43k. The reaction from everyone is you live in a trailer. My house does the same thing a stick build does and the taxes are less making my bank account thicker.
Don't say you live in a trailer! That is the old codes, the new ones are mobile homes (SW) or manufactured homes (DW) . And the loans and insurance depend on which code it is. There are also modular (partially built package). I think they have the same loans, insurance and appreciation of normal homes.
Trailers, mobile homes, not much difference except there's sometimes a misunderstanding between a trailer and an RV. As someone who was raised in and spent a good chunk of my adult years in a trailer before moving to an apartment, I can promise anyone with a problem most of the stigma is BS. If they don't believe it, they should swallow their misplaced pride and live in one for a few years. Edit: There were no lot size regulations for trailer/mobile home parks last time I was aware. Should someone decide to go looking for a park, pick one that will leave you with a palatable amount of yard space on your lot once you have your property on it.
I live in a resort town in a single wide . All the stores and a regional hospital. Cheap living for me and my dog. 350 rent. This young man is correct.
That's great, cheap rent! May I ask what area? I'm in Oregon, want to downsize, retire and buy a small mobile but the space rents are all now at least $650 to $750 and keep going up!
It's $350 NOW, but every year, that lot rent will rise. That's the problem. That's what drove me out of one park and into a cheaper one, but it'll happen here too. (sigh)
I was just driven out of a mobile home park by the greed of the owner, who kept raising the lot rent to the point where I couldn't afford it anymore. I owned that mobile home, but to move it would have cost me $6K, not an amount that is easily affordable when you're a senior living on SS. But because apartments are financially impossible right now, I sold that home and bought another in a park with lower lot rent. However, I know it will keep being raised and eventually I'll be driven out here, too. Greed is rampant in the housing industry right now, no matter what choice you make.
I hope you're not going through the same thing 3 years later! This is what has kept me from buying a tiny home. I wouldn't have anywhere to put it because I don't want to live in a tiny home community where the rent will continue to go up, to the point that I won't be able to afford it anymore, and I will have to sell my tiny home and probably lose money on it. I've seen this happen to a few people already. Then where would I go? There should be developers who will both build the house (whether tiny or manufactured) and sell you the land to put it on, like regular homes. But there aren't, and I don't know why. Buying my own land is another issue because it will be out in the middle of nowhere (which I don't want), plus it will have to be zoned for tiny homes, as well as have access to water and electric (which will cost a lot, I've heard).
@@ddramos7997 As a matter of fact, I am. The lot rent was just raised for the fourth time in three years, and I'm now paying more than I can afford. Last year they raised it because they wanted to buy "tiny homes" and put them on vacant cement slabs. Only two of them have sold so far because hey! It's a place where RVs have been converted and trailers are old. Who would want to live in a new, two-story tiny home with lots of windows when the view is old, run-down converted RVs? Insane. So many places are for sale here, I'm surprised they're still in business, but yup, raised it another $50/month. Everyone here is a senior on SS, too. I'm desperate to move but there is no place in this country I can afford to rent anymore. :(
Having to clean out several family member’s houses that died I can totally agree about the “stuff” comment. Often times we keep things that aren’t necessary and most of those things don’t even hold sentimental value! I always find myself going through my boxes of stuff and figuring out if I really do need it or if I’m just saving it for “when i do” but really don’t. I have dwindled my stuff down to the things I actually use and want to keep (and even some stuff for sentimental value because having that stuff isn’t having junk if it really means something to you). Going through everything I own and finding what works and what doesn’t has been great for my mental health. I love organizing things and it not only is relaxing but I also feel my brain less cluttered when I have less clutter physically.
My problem with a single wide is usually the master suite is a fabulous size and the other bed room is small, so they can add a den. My mom has one, the guest bedroom if we put a double in it that would be all you could fit with a night stand and it's a tight squeeze in the den for a desk and a chair, we use it as a pantry.
I have a three bed two bath single wide that is just as long as a Doublewide and the second bedroom is a pretty great size, the third bedroom is quite small, but it makes for a good office space or extra storage, or even an extra walk-in closet.
in my area single wides are only allowed in trailer parks, they are illegal on private land, only double wides are allowed on private land. but, a tiny home or park model rv is legal anywhere. so check out your local codes before you decide to buy...
Actually, this video is refreshing! Single wides make so much more sense for fulltime living. A tiny home is a little piece of art - cool to look at and visit, but not so practical to live in. Most people that buy them, sell them one to two years later. At the current prices of materials and home building, it doesn't make sense financially to buy a tiny home given that you're likely to take a loss a year or two later when you sell it. As a ADU or weekend cabin, great! Enjoy! Fulltime living, measure once and think twice. Or three times. And as Kerry says, you can't put them just anywhere. And the standards are more lax than for manufacturered homes since they're built to only a RV standard. So, be careful to ensure that you trust the construction. I'm looking forward to when the novelty wears off tiny homes and people start wanting to look at sensible smaller homes. We have a long history of those. They make the most sense and cents.
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
There was a time when DIY tiny homes were mostly being built as a more affordable alternative for people in expensive urban areas where cheap mobile homes were not an option. They would pay a small amount of rent to part it in some friend's back yard. To me, it was less about novelty then and more about enabling poorer people to climb the property ladder. Now, it's about making them look pretty for Pinterest or whatever. They were supposed to fill a very niche need, but are being built ridiculously overpriced now for people who are overly biased against trailer parks.
The one thing that really puts me off trailers is that you have to pay a mortgage AND rent. Though tiny homes are also frustrating for not really being legal anywhere. At this point I just want to build a barndominium on a nice big plot of land. (Not that I have money to do ANY of these things yet...)
That's my one regret, getting a single wife and having to pay rent and mortgage. I don't drive yet, so where I am I'm close to everything that I can walk or take a bus. I think about getting my license and finding my own land to live on
Thanks for the great analysis! The only reason I can think of to go tiny home vs. manufactured is the cute factor and knowing your living in something handcrafted. As noted, the manufactured builders have years of experience, CNC machinery and know what they are doing. Many tiny homes are the same size as a large travel trailer. I'd take the travel trailer as 1) it is most likely much lighter, making moving easier, 2) better designed and built, and 3) it has water and disposal tanks that can make life much easier than needing sewer and water hook-ups wherever one goes. I love looking at tiny homes and enjoy their cuteness factor, but I certainly wouldn't buy or build one.
I got lucky with my Super single. Built 2001, has everything included. Plus I got free delivery. The GE basic appliances are amazing but I did get a second frig since now I’m home more. It’s a Clayton; watch out for fumes tho, mine sat empty for 3 months with open doors and windows. The formaldehyde can be very toxic. Been thru 2 tornados, ices storm and 120 heat! I put in my own floors, pulled out all the carpet and painted the cheesy walls over the years 😎
Originally I was obsessed with THOWs. I could never afford a home- even a small one. A THOW was my only hope of fulfilling my dream of actually owning n no longer wasting my hard-earned $$$ on renting. That dream died when the tiny house industry decided to go luxury. They are no longer affordable. So, I began checking out MHs n was pleasantly surprised to discover that not only are they more affordable than a THOW, but they are roomier n not so cramped, while still being small. As a single person, it's very difficult to find small homes. Most seem to be built for families. I wanted something small but not so claustrophobic. THOWs may have more character but small, affordable, n well-made mobile homes are a great option, and the variety is endless. I am a student in your classroom. I take copious notes n have learned so much. I am researching which MH will best fit my needs. I will put it on my own land. Thanks so much for the priceless info n wisdom! I love your channel n watch it every day!
How about the Incredi-box. They have 8 x 16 and 8 x 20 for $ 20k. They now also have something of a factory and are building indoors. They are developing communities too. I think that is the biggest problem so far. The movement is young and communities need to develop and zoning needs to change slightly. It might be a reasonable trend for the future
We also need viable options for couples with children. The tiny home does not fit that bill. A single wide manufactures home probably could, depending on the size of the family.
@@workingmamma5342 An Rv will be leaking within five years and probably have mold and rust unless you spend all your time in the desert in which case it will have mice and other pest looking for a home in your house, These pests also have a habit of chewing up the wires to the electrical systems in vehicles. The RV is not made to be a full time home and if you watch any of the nomads on YT you will see they are constantly having problems and going through a lot of vehicles and in an RV if your vehicle has to be in the shop a week or two waiting on parts then you are homeless until it is fixed and back on the road again.
Problem is….if you’re looking at a single wide first thing you notice is the cheapest quality possible is used and it jumps out as soon as you walk in the door and the formaldehyde hits your eyes. Tiny houses are mostly built with quality stuff. Just sayin’.
Totally agree... I hate large open spaces, so I am drawn to tiny homes because I can see all the walls, but I also want a space for my free roam rabbits to run in inside. Looked at some of the single wide videos but the quality puts me off
@@susannaholdfield7499 I detect a bit of cynicism an think you really didnt like my having an opinion, huh? (Or maybe just voicing it). That’s okay, admit it or not we all have one✌️
I purchased a SMALL mobile home (540 square feet) to retire into. It was way cheaper than many tiny homes, it was a little larger than tiny homes (I can't live teensy), and I was able to choose flooring, amount of insulation, type of walls etc. Since the home is small, I have a low heating & cooling bill, it is easier to clean than a larger home, and the purchase price was 'cheap'. With zero upgrades it would have been $25K. I upgraded the insulation, the windows, the walls, and the subfloor. For $40K I have a 100% paid for home with relatively low monthly utilities. It has a great floor plan. If someone cares to research, mine is a Fleetwood 14401X. It has a wonderful floor plan and I am loving living in it. I live on land slightly outside of town.
😳You have really nice hair. I was going to buy my tiny home but the price was 160k so I put the money into a 1200sq foot regular home. It's feels way too big BUT I know financially I made the right decision. I will still keep my eye out for smaller homes in a location I can stand living in.
@@Jspg119 James a tiny home is not only mobile but the quality is like a real home. Regular RVs are not built to live in for 40 years but it is "cool" for retired people to live in them. I know my teen sons used to refer to people who lived in trailer parks as "trailer trash" - society looks down on them. Unfortunately it seems most mobile home parks ARE trashy and junky. Sad but RV parks seem to be better kept and higher quality living place.
The new mobile homes are nothing like those old tin can style ones. They have drywall inside (not paneling), and the outside has vinyl siding (looks like wood but is more durable). The inside is just like a brand new home and very good. At least the ones I have seen in CA are that way now.
The main thing I don't like about our SW is that the lowest loan we could get was 5.25% and mobile home insurance is higher than for a regular house. Also, the loan is 20 yrs, and I think that after the SW is 20 yrs old or if it has been moved from its original site, buyers cannot get a loan for it. So you can only sell to cash buyers and this makes it hard to sell. But we plan on it being our last home and are trying to pay it off early. It is on 1/3 acre 2 miles from 2 of our grown son's and family.
I agree with you on single wide manufactured homes, but only if you get a quality one that's comparable to a traditional site built home. Don't go for one that has seams in the walls.
I'm astonished every time someone says "I can move my tiny house around from one place to another". No, it's not a trailer. It's something barely roadworthy, that takes a very large truck to move, and isn't allowed most places. Every once in a while, you can set one down without the authorities having a fit. The chances of you finding a second place to do that are slim.
Tiny homes are classist. Singlewides are for the people. Roma have lived in Vardo for hundreds of years, and Gadge always mock them. until it becomes trendy to have one. Seems really similar with singlewides vrs tiny homes.
Most tiny homes I've seen are gonna be difficult if you've mobility issues. Neither tiny nor single wides are for me, but these videos are interesting none the less.
I watched a lot of videos on Tiny Homes and I think they are OK if I'm going to spend a night in a friend's backyard. Personally, I would prefer living in a single wide because there is more room for normal living. In a tiny home you have to move things around to get organized in the small space.
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
We thought about a Tiny Home, but after tour of a few with my 6’3” semi disabled hubby I realized that it was too small. 399 sqft. I work from home so a loft was the only place I could work and I don’t like stairs with my bad knees. Going with a 16’ wide 68” long two bed and two bath, by Solitaire for $75k, delivery and A/C included. As always, a great video.
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
@4Freedom4All I bought a 40 foot 5th wheel JAYCO Designer trailer, built in 1979. Its is VERY simple, more rugged with rack and pinion slides that work great. There are trucks that will tow it anywhere if you dont have a pickup which I dont. Wallpaper looks brand new and everything works. New carpet, ripped out some cabinets, painted the cabinets and even knocked down some walls so its a modern full open front to back. . A shower with a BATHTUB that you can't even find in new ones. $4500.00. Roof leaks but a little tarp and tape fixes that till I am ready for that job but I live in it full time and just love it. There are still a lot of older one and dont worry about repairs. Fixing things is simple, even rotted walls etc. are easy to fix so its livable. Most just slap on some plywood and caulk and paint, find and fix the leak and its done. It does not have to be perfect, only livable. And the NEW ONES ARE JUNK!
for sure! even the pricey ones. Rooves on mobile homes are cheap, cheap, cheap. I put mobile homes on the same level as rv's over price and over rated.
I was such a fan dreaming of a TH..... Until I started doing some research and came to the same conclusion. I don't want to buy a huge gas guzzler to "tow" it nor live outside of the reach of conveniences. I found Mr Tiny and have decided a SingleWide would be affordable, small and still accomplish 'living economically & with less. Plus my dog will be able to run around inside.
It would be cool if there were tiny homes that weren’t super tiny. Ones that still have a few rooms like traditional small houses with the tiny house looks would be right up my alley
"Very few units of stuff that matter!" Love this!! I'd rather have more experiences than more stuff....and I'm a GenX'er, not a Millennial, lol. Proud single wide inhabitant!
many tiny homes are now made by mobile home manufacturers. Champion and Pratt are both doing it. there are others . I get intrigued by the really great ones by baluchan in France, Minimaliste in Canada, California tiny homes ( usa) tiny homes new zealand, and just forgot the 2 texas ones name, Andrew Bennet has core housing in Florida. so many are better than original. I prefer a singlewide from 40 to 50 feet long 12 to 16 wide. really prefer 12x40 . precisely cause of small size . also me my cat and my kid each have some stuff , but hate lofts. standing up is so nice . no ladders.
2:06 So true about stuff 👍🏻 This video is so packed with very specific detailed information. I really appreciate the effortl you put in this video. This had to have taken hours and hours of work & research. Thank you.
I think personally,...people all need to build smaller, well built homes; limiting the square footage that could be built. Then...with viable land and placement, leverage your land with a small Tiny home, that could be...but probably won't ever move. Now,...you have in in-law, child, grandparent, rental unit running off solar/water from main unit. No more than 30 amp service...gets to become a decent rental unit...without having the renters be too over charged. How long would the average $60K Tiny House be paid back in CA or NY? 7-8 years? One could even start in a "regular 1500-2500 sq' home...then do an Air B'nB on this home, whilst living "out back on the property" in the Tiny. Leverage the home for 10 years...and own both outright.
I live in eastern central PA, I've been starting to notice a lot single wides popping up in my area, they seem like better alternatives for one person or a small family. To me it makes more sense to have single wide than a tiny home. Many tiny homes look cool but some, if they didn't have any windows would give anyone with claustrophobia feel extremely cramped. I would want a little extra space in my house or I'll go crazy from lack of space. I need...space.
What I would like is just a Single Wide box.. nothing else. I can design the interior on my own. Manufactures can just stamp out some basic prefab house with only the exterior done. No inside walls or paneling on the mail walls on the inside.
Here we go, another real estate agent who thinks there always needs to be regulation on Citizens in order to ensure money can be made. Give me a break dude. To many regulations as it is.
If you can do the building yourself, Tiny Homes wins. If you can't swing a hammer, then singlewides are your best bang for the buck. But having grown up in trailers on a few acres, it's not generally built out of great materials.
That’s what worries me. I know ppl say that mobile homes look better these days but after a while they can’t help but start to look Run down even when you try to keep up with them. I have two family members that own mobile homes and there are spot on the floor of their house thats sinking in.
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I am single and live in a mobile home in a great park. I have a three bedroom single wide. I'm in Oregon and my space rent is $620 with cable, trash and water
I never “got” the tiny home movement. I’m not in that market now but would lean toward an RV or a manufactured home if I were. My first home was a doublewide on a deeded lot and while quality and features were abysmal back when it was built, I could afford it and it had appreciated in value when it came time to sell it.
The mobile home park I live in is getting rid of most singles and replacing then with doubles...for the money. Stupid move. Not everyone wants a big house or the payment.
It doesn't make sense to compare a 200 sq ft DIY tiny home with a 1000 sq ft commercially built single wide trailer. According to the trailer parks that you mentioned, tiny homes are considered to be under 400 sq ft. It's true that a larger truck is needed to move the larger tiny homes but an even larger truck, permits, and a CDL driver are needed to move a single wide trailer. Due to the popularity of tiny homes, most companies that build them do so under climate controlled conditions. These tiny homes are also custom built using superior materials and have more practical layouts and better design. One is not really better than the other; it all depends on personal preference. A person that's in the market for a custom tiny home will consider a single wide trailer just as much as a person looking to purchase a luxury car will consider an economy car. Let's compare apples to apples.
I come from a long line of people in the building industry and because tiny homes are the trend right now they are way overpriced for what you get unless it is a DIY backyard job which I would not suggest for anyone unless you are going to hire someone who knows what they are doing to do electric and plumbing and if any kind of propane appliance is involved you definitely need someone who knows what they are doing so your house doesn't blow up,
i originally was thinking about tiny homes for my family, but now im thinking about a manufactured home because they're still small, so less space to have to clean up, but they're better for a growing family i feel like. just me and my spouse and our two kids
The price per square foot is much less for a single wide compared to a tiny home. I love watching tiny houses being built on tv because of the ingenuity that is used to make every bit of space functional.
I am renting a Trailer Right Now! Thing is a Moldy Piece of Shit, and its not even old! Trailers become a Living Sinus Infection! I Now have Land, bought Cash! And I will live in a Tiny Home not on wheels that will be designed to one day be a Workshop, as I work on a Tiny 3 Bedroom! And in that Tiny Town on Two Peninsulas you can 100% Build a Tiny 3 Bedroom...
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
@@fladave99 But RV's are not built like houses, they typically have a lot less material, a lot less insulation, won't last anywhere near as long as a house, etc. You don't really see well insulated 5th wheels until you look at models that are over $100K... RV's are just optimized for ease of transport and for recreational usage, which is why they're not legal to live in full time. But Tiny Houses are built like houses and there's certification you can get to prove they're built well and in places like the US where many states have started to adopt Appendix Q from the 2018 IRC update, it can even be possible to place the Tiny House on a foundation and show it meets code to have it be given a certificate of occupancy... Others, like California, that haven't adopted Appendix Q will still recognize a Tiny House as an ADU but won't do the same for a RV... So there's a definite difference...
@@ZeoCyberG Yes, I had not thought about that. I do live in a 5th wheel and love it. It is 40 years old and is like new. So while light, they can hold up well over long term. It is all bonded fiberglass on the outside and 100% sealed so structure wise it will last a very long time. Probably another 40 years easily. . It has a special electrical system that wires and outlets "CLIP/SNAP" together, no screws so nothing can vibrate loose. I have spend a lot of time at HomeDepot and when I tore out a wall, I was surprised because I have never seen anything like it before. Plumbing is all plastic because copper would break at the welds with the vibration and stress. All windows and doors are rounded like an airplane so it is made to move around and not stress crack at the corners. But you do have a point regarding overbuilt which is good too. However, they are not made to travel long distances. .I paid $5,000 for my used rig. Nothing against the tiny home, everything has its purpose.
First time watching this channel and it expresses something I've thought about frequently. There is one additional point that can make people think twice about single wides. I live in the PNW, U.S. In this area, most parks are converting to "no single wides allowed". They announce this and give people with single wides X amount of time to replace their model with a double or triple wide - or move. Once all the single wides are gone, the space rent goes up even more.
Should it be more regulated? No! Government has enough power over us. Buyer beware. Hopefully the person that built the tiny house videotaped the process. But the buyer can buy or not as long as there is proper disclosure. So if anything should be regulated, perhaps disclosures.
Do you want something that was not inspected and may have wiring issues and plumbing issues because the builder did not know what they were doing? That is what regulations are for,
a "single wide" is a trailer. .. a "tiny home" is home. If they don't stop trying to charge people as much as a regular home, then nobody will buy either.
I love my single wide. It is only me and my pup, so my two bedroom, two bath is perfect. When it was built, we had it built with 2x6s instead of 2x4s. The only thing I hate is the noise of the furnace. And the fire alarms tend to go off whenever I cook in the oven.
1st thing most ppl don't mention abt manuf housing -- It's up to code- mostly after '96 (Boca)-- but all the fixtures are usually not standard for house. The walls are usually not drywalled, just rehanging several pictures over time-- can leave difficult holes, and walls are just so thin- if the trim or wall paper get damaged, It's usually much worse bc of the less expensive materials used-- of course it can all be upgraded, but It's much, much, higher in costs. Most everything is not equally retrofitted from things down at local homestore, windows bathtubs, doors, etc- and not just everyone is licensed or is familiar w working on them. If none of that is an issue for you-- they are a TON of sq ft for the money!!! I have lived in 2 of them & they were esp nice bc of the vaulted celings-- made them feel very spacious and several skylights--(newer ones don't usually leak like old kind). They are what they are-I didn't have small kids-- adults can be hard enough on them. One thing about tiny homes is that I feel some ppl go unrealistically TOO tiny. Adding a decent buffer from outside to inside if it isn't moblie-- would help immensely along with one room pretty soundproofed. Those are the 2 biggest issues I've heard w tiny-- is never getting privacy bc can hear someone speaking anywhere in home. Also trying to keep the outside out-- can make some people slaves to cleaning floors. Maybe add 50-100 sq ft & be many times happier. Or plan for just these worst issues. Just wanted to mention from experience the differences I dealt with.
I bought a triple wide this year and had the inside gutted to remodel (only windows stayed because they are new triple ply vinyl framed). From what I saw watching my contractors, it was not that difficult to replace wall panels, reconfigure layout, and relocate toilet and fixtures. I took the opportunity to make both baths and kitchen handicap friendly and enlarge a closet to be walk-in.
Tiny home expensive and it has already been done with trailers. I spent summers in them growing up. They had bathrooms, kitchens, place to eat and sleep when you took down the table even more options. But the major thing you thing you learn is they are temporary. Tiny homes cost too much and similar problem with trailers and single wide’s is that you have a ridiculous cost to put the thing somewhere. Move to an affordable part of the country in a regular house or condo.
Not all tiny homes are built on a movable chassis. Also RV resorts usually have a monthly deal. Mine was $350. Month in Las Vegas proper. Resort included water and sewer. Electric billed seperately high bill was $115. in July. There was no pool and most people were long term residents.
I don't like tiny homes because you can't have any hobbies, no storage at all in those things. I think it is a terrible fad. BUT, I absolutely loathe mobile homes. In the South, we call them *all* trailers. Nothing against folks who live in mobiles, not at all, but they really take a lot of special care to make them stay looking nice. They all look similar, are readily identifiable. Some still do have the hitches attached, I have to say because I just looked at one yesterday from the 80's that had it. It's a tin can for humans, those early ones, no real roof. No matter what you do, it looks like a tin can. My father in law placated my mother in law when they were first married by leaving a brick house to buy one of the new fad trailers. Back then, they were cheaply made and just awful. It was a terrible financial decision so my husband feels the same about mobiles. HOWEVER, a tiny home or mobile is not the only choice. I would rather live in a real house, even a rather small house, than any trailer. I worked as a realtor for years to put my kids through college. I listed a mobile once and it had to have a vehicle tag and sales tax was involved when it was sold, just like a vehicle. In my very rural mountain subdivision, no mobiles are allowed, but my house is just 1088 sf, purchased in 2002 from an estate, situated on 2.25 ac for just $89K. The next year, we bought the next two adjacent lots so we now own about 5 1/2 acres total. It was a minor fixer, but we are still in that house and it's supposedly worth $270K now in this insane market (w/o the other two lots in the mix).They're selling trailers on one acre for nutty prices. I'm sorry, but to me, any sad, falling down mobile home on one acre isn't worth $150-175K, but that's what they are selling for around here at this point in time. And a tiny house ain't worth 70K, either, in my opinion. My son is looking for a house here because he sold his swim-tennis residence in the 'burbs and it's not easy when the median price in our county has skyrocketed to $540K! His price range is less than $150K (he wants to be mortgage-free) so we've seen a lot of AWFUL trailers and fixer uppers houses that are what I call "tearer-downers". There is a law that mobiles over 10 yrs old cannot be brought into our county. They just fall apart so easily on transport so they are not as mobile as it is implied, though they all seem to have that same look. A small stick built house to me is the best all-round choice, but small, not tiny. JMHO.
I have spent the last hour searching my 308 square foot tiny home for wheels and all I can find is a foundation. No wheels, no chassis/frame, no tow bar. Do I have a tiny home or do I have something else?
Tiny home too expensive and trendy. Maybe if you're constantly living in different parts of the country. Single wide is better if the monthly space fee is affordable.
'Shouldn't it be more regulated than that' *No* If you don't know the builder of the home, have it inspected. Most home buyers have inspections done anyway
Whether tiny homes, single wide, or even a McMansion, the one thing that I am always hung up on from the cost side is, at least where I live as well as most major metropolitan areas, most of the high prices for housing is in the land it sits on, not in the building itself. It also seems to me that places where the cost of land isn't terribly expensive is 'affordable' for a reason.
I have a friends in the Salt Lake metro area who sold their rambler for $800,000. It's not even in a pretty part of the valley, not a big home by any means. That thing would have listed for $100,000 just 5 years ago.
t@@thecatfromoregon that is Los Angeles price level for a 1960 single level starter home never remodeled in not so good areas. Salt Lake City has really gone real estate crazy.
Depends on the town. Some small towns allow manufactured homes within the city limits. Some do not. But tiny homes are even further regulated. They can only go in RV parks in most areas. If you plan on living in one place long term, no outside storage, no yard, generally one small parking space. You really pay for the bells and whistles to get swimming pools, rec centers, etc. While MH/manufactured homes are considered personal property in Texas, if you buy a property with one on it, to get a loan, the home must be tied down and becomes a part of the property, and no longer personal property for tax purposes. But, you cannot remove the home until the loan is paid off, as the home is part of the total real estate property.
@@lexpox329Depends on the lender. But shouldn't, as if the loan is defaulted, the home can still be moved off and sold. But if you decide later to refinance, the lender may require it.
Came to the same conclusion my self after doing research, looking at a couple tiny homes, and having a couple friends build/buy tiny homes. Tiny homes do not move well, doors and windows and stairs all shift some during moving. Cabinets get all out of wack. Also because dumb social standards some how people thing living in a tiny home isn't living in a trailer. Its a trailer people just marketing telling you it's a home. Can you live in it, sure can, there is nothing wrong with living in a trailer, just don't lie to yourself about it.
In FL it cost $800.00pm in a community. Add electric, water, easily an extra $200.00pm, Just 2/2.. small kitchen. Older home.. yep on a lake. Unfriendly community. Only advantage was the pool. Love to swim so long as no one else is around... which means early am or late pm and an occasional afternoon. Wk full time. Aggressive swimmer - have an aqua Pilates program I developed and worked out 2 x day 3 hrs total. That was the reason I stayed. When working out I take up the whole pool and while friendly with others.. and wait for them to do their thing, when working out am very serious. Miss it.. but feel very limited value for $$. Owned the home 100%. Destroyed by Hurricane Irma.
The Tiny House Movemnt orig was not what they show now. Been in it 20yrs. It orig was young ppl usually single or couples, building their own very inexpensively. So they could save & still have money to enjoy life. It was to have a small or no mortgage which costs at least 2.5 times orig price. Some were planning on retirement & simple downsizing & able to change locations if desired for retirement. It was instead of ppl wrking, gone all day for yrs not being able to enjoy the home bc of the cost to purchase, fix, renovate every 25 yrs etc. At least w no mortgage, they were 10's of thousands of dollars saved. More time to enjoy youth, children later etc. in their NEXT small or mortgage free home. Now ppl are buying them and some are way unrealistic in size w older children etc. Everyone's viewpoints are different. There are good & bad w everything. -Even if they try & prefer not to continue--at least they learned from it. Ppl do this everyday w many things. . There are advantages to Park models and Single wides, but there also somethings I don't care for abt them--having lived in 2 of them, nice newer ones. Especially, if they are not on their own foundation, in a park--there are many differences. But that is for each to research. They do have much sq ft for $$ but w/out drywall, & other items being mobile home size & not reg home size & quality (windows, bathtubs,, etc ). By time you upgrade to the same in a stick built home--then they arent so cheap any more. But if thats super w you-great!. Some of these ppl are completely unrealistic abt 3 older kids 2 adults in a 350sq ft home. Um.. Prob a disaster in the making.. But these are ppl they highlight on these shows. Unless they have a ton of nice outside space. But thankfully, in this country we can still try & make mistakes & it's O.K. But this recent trend is NOT what the movement was orig abt, but if ppl will be happy--that's up to them. They shouldn't be criticized for trying something & then changing their mind. We all live & learn.
It is up to local government regulation. If the area has no rent control, landlord can raise anytime with a 30-day notice. Rent control puts on an annual cap but even at 1 or 2% annual raise, over time the rent can be scary (i rented an apt for 25 years so I know the compound interest effect). Government can revoke rent control law, too. Some parks are on leased land from government. Once the lease is up, the new lease may result in much higher rent. Sometimes they can’t get renewed. Park residents either need to move the home or accept a buyout.
Single wides are made from shit. Cut and dried. I bought a large 5th wheel 4 season with slides. Cheaper than all of that other crap. Easier to tow as well. A tiny home is much more expensive than an RV even without the appliances or furniture. I paid $8000 for a great 5th wheel with solid oak cabinets and floors. I pay $250 a month for my space and I have 200 amp service. I have a greenhouse and a garden. WHY do I want a particle board mobile home ? Mine has PVC siding and a metal frame with dual pane windows and if I need to move it, I rent a one ton pickup run in my slides and move. All by myself. So I'm not interested.
In south Florida there are some gorgeous mobile home communities, a friend pays $450 includes 2 pools, recreation center, library, water, lawn maintenance and trash,, plus about 5 minutes to several gulf beaches,,,, I'd love to live there myself!!
Before you buy either the most important thing is to check your city & provincial zoning. Where I live the restriction is a tiny home must be a min of 400 sq. ft. There are also hydro and sewage restrictions.
Manufactured home/single wides are not attractive. The ones I've been in use space well but I remember the degassing smell from the carpet and upholstery. It was cheap looking on the inside. It suited the couple who owned it beautifully, though. Just not my style. I love the idea of making a space that is unique. I've also watched videos of people with second-hand models. I think your point about the difficulty finding a spot to park is more than valid though.
Haha. For real. It is cheaper to buy a single wide mobile home than pay ridiculous amounts of money for 300 sqft. How anyone could think these Tiny Homes are a good deal, with the price per square footage being ridiculously high in many cases, beats my sense of logic. I think it is a move to make people think living with next to No Room to Do Things, little Storage and Few Belongings at a High Price is cool. Sounds a bit like a scam
Your comparison if RV park to trailer park rent is not correct. I lived in an RV park for a year, and while the nightly spot rent may be $45, if you ask for a monthly rate, it is often much less. We paid 459$/monthly which included our electric, water, sewage, wifi, and amenities like pool laundry and recreation building. After 3 months, we worked there 29hrs a week, and paid nothing for our spot. Just so the real info is out there.
Single wides are better than tiny homes. However, your best bet is to by a small stick-built home. Manufactured Homes don't appreciate like stick-built. Plus insurance is much higher on older models.
Bought a 1969 single wide 12’ wide x 32’ long single wide, gutted it, insulated it, new wire, drywall, quartz countertops, new kitchen cabinets, LED lighting, tiled the tub surround in glass and mosaic, shower tower, bidet toilet. smart switches and speakers. Its like a tiny house but better. I live near the Pacific Ocean in LA County,CA, land rent is about $1000/month but all other SFR homes up in the area are over $1-1.5 million and their property taxes are more than my land rent.
It is a very good book for beginners as well as for those that are already into th-cam.com/users/postUgkxTNB_zFBSnTo_O1PqfVUwgi7ityw0JlKt A very good basic ebook to keep as a reference too. I like it and the way the subject matter is presented. It has humor and that helps with the reading.
At the price tiny homes are being made for these days, they aren't cost effective any more. When TH were first thought of, they were something a person with little funds could build and live in inexpensively, but that is no longer the case. Now it has been changed into some sort of status symbol. Changing it into a fad always seems to wreck a good idea.
After the money people get involved, it all goes downhill.
No, tiny homes have existed for most of human history. Moveable homes like modern tiny homes have been done for decades. Some of the earliest examples, like house trucks, go back to the 1920's. While fads, by definition, only last a short time, but the modern tiny house movement has been around for well over a decade now. Even commercially there's companies like Tumbleweed that were founded back in 2001 and people like Jay Shaffer that are credited for starting the modern movement made their first THOWs back in the 90's and they're still going strong in 2021... So it's most definitely not a fad!
Heck, laws are being changed for Tiny Houses, the 2018 IRC included Appendix Q that added building code specifically for Tiny Houses on foundations 400 Sq Ft or less and in the States at least there are places that will recognize a THOW as an ADU and some will even offer the option to put a THOW into a foundation to then recognize it as a residential home.
While tiny homes don't have to be expensive, most people are just doing them custom which is the most expensive way to build but it allows for the highest quality and the most control over what you get for the money. It's like the difference from going to a custom furniture maker from just getting something from Ikea, who can sell you complete furniture for less than just the hardware will cost a custom furniture maker...
Mass produce Tiny Homes in factories and the price can go way down to even a fraction of what a custom built THOW costs...
There are just always trade offs and reasons for costs, most people just have no idea what they're paying for and looking at the most expensive home doesn't mean there's no cheaper options... It's like looking at a Bugatti, one of the most expensive car brands in the world, and think all cars have to cost over $100K when you can get a Smart Car or other budget option for a lot less... Seriously, people are doing Tiny Homes for as little as a few thousand. Costs aren't written in stone and the same for everything, details matter!
Everything can be built to varying levels of quality, number of features, materials, sizes, efficiency of build costs, etc. and so they're not all going to be directly equivalent to each other because there will often be significant differences. Like most people building large houses aren't putting 9-11 windows, a kitchen and bathroom, living room and a bedroom with exterior grade walls every 200 Sq Ft but that's pretty common for tiny houses because they have to pack a lot of functionality into a smaller space.
Add custom, which usually starts at 50% increase in cost for large homes and goes up to over 4 times as much and building equivalently to a custom built THOW can cost upwards into the millions for an apples to apples comparison.
Never mind it's also a matter of people with different needs... A single person living alone is going to need a lot less than a large family, or people with special needs who may need more just to live a normal life. Locations also plays a factor as that will effect costs, climate zone the home will have to be able to handle, etc. There's no one size fits all standard that everyone can always fit into or do so as well as others. So that's another reason costs will always vary...
Not really I’m glad it got the attention there’s so many more options for smaller appliances and fixtures.
Tiny homes built for the homeless almost always get targeted and destroyed by the city they are located in, once it's a source of income for said community than it's tolerated but still looked down apoun, sad it's so expensive to live with common sense.
If you build the way original tiny homers did, recycle fence palings use cabinets from the curbside or Craigslist, do your own labor, you can get a very reasonable price.
It's just that lots of people have caught on to how make money off building them for you, plus, a lot of people do have the $$ for nicer ones; that's what drives up the price. If you're not set on a slick modern one, you can do really well.
The reason Tiny homes are so popular right now is all marketing. You say single wide to a person and the first thing that comes to mind is Trailer or Trailer Park, were a Tiny home people think cute and trendy. Its the same with an RV if you tell people you live in an RV and don't have a home too, people think something bad happened in your life.
Exactly. 100%!
Try telling people their crossover is just a minivan with a hood. lol
@@SuperSerenity44 try telling people who wouldn’t ever buy a wagon that they paid $5000 More for that same wagon but lifted a few inches and a SUV sticker on it.😂😂
cause a motor home/RV is not a wise investment!!!
Trend, and an expensive trend at that.
I've lived in a trailer and yea it is cheaper but the structure of one doesnt last ...the heating is expensive and the heat leaks out.
The rent may be cheaper but by the time u pay your propane for cooking gas/oil for heating and hot water and electric ...well its about the same cost of renting an Apartment.
So if u want a trailer ur better off buying your own land to put it on and use solar and wood stove also insolate the trailer better
I like to think of tiny homes as gentrified trailers -- when I was young, I was ashamed of living in a trailer. Cheap housing? Pshaw. I love a lot of the innovations of tiny houses...but you can't tell me spending $65k on a 400sqft box without room to stand up in your bedroom is reasonable.
Great presentation, Kerry. Tiny homes just don't provide enough living space for me. Manufactured homes, on the other hand, are preferable size-wise, but I prefer to own the land myself rather than paying rent to someone else. That said, either option is definitely more affordable than purchasing a single family home with a large bank loan. And God knows we need more affordable housing, now and into the future.
I work as a Contractor ( Builder-Remodeler) going on 46 years so far and choose to live in a manufactured home that is a UnMobile Mobile Home. HaHa ! Am a ReSingled person with my dog and that square footage is really all that I need. It was used , so I just Upgraded as I wanted to. Keep life simple and unclutered and a good balance .
Thank you for sharing!
Resingled! 😂 Love it 💕You’re so right about the benefits of a simple life 🌿
I own a manufacture home, (rental) and gives me the extra income for my retirement.
Currently converting a 16 by 12 shed into a tiny home on same property.
I've lived in a tiny single wide for 30 years now in a nice little park in my city, close to everything, by a small river where in the spring eagles can commonly be seen flying. Lot rent is $260/month including water and sewage. There are 5 empty lots here because people don't want to buy single wides anymore, the only size that will fit here. I don't know how much longer this court will be here since the value of it's land has skyrocketed in recent years. I anticipate it will be sold and condos with boat slips will be built on the river with maybe a small hotel in the front which has a 4 lane street and is just a mile from the Interstate. Then it will be everybody out and there are many senior citizens here living on fixed incomes, including me.
What State/City is it? Would love to pay that cheap of a rent lol.
Unfortunately when location is valuable, reuse or repurpose is inevitable. There was a senior apartment right on the beach in Santa Monica. It was bought by developers 10/15 years ago. A few residents refused to move because they couldn’t find any place close that they could afford. It was so sad to see them cry and be despondent. I wonder if they are still alive or where they are today.
I keep waiting for the tv show “Tiny House Regrets.”
There are videos that say exactly that.
I watched a couple selling their's because they had a child. They sold everything moved to a new state because their's did not allow tiny houses. Now selling tiny and moving back.
It's true, however, there is a NEGATIVE STIGMA about saying you live in a trailer
It's true. Mine has updated windows. doors. siding.roof.new insulation and floors on two acres of wooded land for 43k. The reaction from everyone is you live in a trailer. My house does the same thing a stick build does and the taxes are less making my bank account thicker.
Not in Florida. Everyone lives in trailers here, despite the hurricanes.
Don't say you live in a trailer! That is the old codes, the new ones are mobile homes (SW) or manufactured homes (DW) . And the loans and insurance depend on which code it is.
There are also modular (partially built package). I think they have the same loans, insurance and appreciation of normal homes.
Trailers, mobile homes, not much difference except there's sometimes a misunderstanding between a trailer and an RV. As someone who was raised in and spent a good chunk of my adult years in a trailer before moving to an apartment, I can promise anyone with a problem most of the stigma is BS. If they don't believe it, they should swallow their misplaced pride and live in one for a few years.
Edit: There were no lot size regulations for trailer/mobile home parks last time I was aware. Should someone decide to go looking for a park, pick one that will leave you with a palatable amount of yard space on your lot once you have your property on it.
@@richardcrane8103 is your insurance higher than a reg home.
I loved living in a single wide. It's just enough space to have 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.
You can even get three bed two bath single Wides now
I live in a resort town in a single wide . All the stores and a regional hospital. Cheap living for me and my dog. 350 rent. This young man is correct.
Thanks for watching Susan 🙌🏼
That's great, cheap rent! May I ask what area? I'm in Oregon, want to downsize, retire and buy a small mobile but the space rents are all now at least $650 to $750 and keep going up!
It's $350 NOW, but every year, that lot rent will rise. That's the problem. That's what drove me out of one park and into a cheaper one, but it'll happen here too. (sigh)
@@fenraven lot rents rise, campsite fees rise, and taxes rise -- it all stinks, but it's all the same.
I was just driven out of a mobile home park by the greed of the owner, who kept raising the lot rent to the point where I couldn't afford it anymore. I owned that mobile home, but to move it would have cost me $6K, not an amount that is easily affordable when you're a senior living on SS. But because apartments are financially impossible right now, I sold that home and bought another in a park with lower lot rent. However, I know it will keep being raised and eventually I'll be driven out here, too. Greed is rampant in the housing industry right now, no matter what choice you make.
I hope you're not going through the same thing 3 years later! This is what has kept me from buying a tiny home. I wouldn't have anywhere to put it because I don't want to live in a tiny home community where the rent will continue to go up, to the point that I won't be able to afford it anymore, and I will have to sell my tiny home and probably lose money on it. I've seen this happen to a few people already. Then where would I go? There should be developers who will both build the house (whether tiny or manufactured) and sell you the land to put it on, like regular homes. But there aren't, and I don't know why. Buying my own land is another issue because it will be out in the middle of nowhere (which I don't want), plus it will have to be zoned for tiny homes, as well as have access to water and electric (which will cost a lot, I've heard).
@@ddramos7997 As a matter of fact, I am. The lot rent was just raised for the fourth time in three years, and I'm now paying more than I can afford. Last year they raised it because they wanted to buy "tiny homes" and put them on vacant cement slabs. Only two of them have sold so far because hey! It's a place where RVs have been converted and trailers are old. Who would want to live in a new, two-story tiny home with lots of windows when the view is old, run-down converted RVs? Insane. So many places are for sale here, I'm surprised they're still in business, but yup, raised it another $50/month. Everyone here is a senior on SS, too. I'm desperate to move but there is no place in this country I can afford to rent anymore. :(
Having to clean out several family member’s houses that died I can totally agree about the “stuff” comment. Often times we keep things that aren’t necessary and most of those things don’t even hold sentimental value! I always find myself going through my boxes of stuff and figuring out if I really do need it or if I’m just saving it for “when i do” but really don’t. I have dwindled my stuff down to the things I actually use and want to keep (and even some stuff for sentimental value because having that stuff isn’t having junk if it really means something to you). Going through everything I own and finding what works and what doesn’t has been great for my mental health. I love organizing things and it not only is relaxing but I also feel my brain less cluttered when I have less clutter physically.
My problem with a single wide is usually the master suite is a fabulous size and the other bed room is small, so they can add a den. My mom has one, the guest bedroom if we put a double in it that would be all you could fit with a night stand and it's a tight squeeze in the den for a desk and a chair, we use it as a pantry.
I have a three bed two bath single wide that is just as long as a Doublewide and the second bedroom is a pretty great size, the third bedroom is quite small, but it makes for a good office space or extra storage, or even an extra walk-in closet.
in my area single wides are only allowed in trailer parks, they are illegal on private land, only double wides are allowed on private land. but, a tiny home or park model rv is legal anywhere. so check out your local codes before you decide to buy...
Actually, this video is refreshing! Single wides make so much more sense for fulltime living. A tiny home is a little piece of art - cool to look at and visit, but not so practical to live in. Most people that buy them, sell them one to two years later. At the current prices of materials and home building, it doesn't make sense financially to buy a tiny home given that you're likely to take a loss a year or two later when you sell it. As a ADU or weekend cabin, great! Enjoy! Fulltime living, measure once and think twice. Or three times.
And as Kerry says, you can't put them just anywhere. And the standards are more lax than for manufacturered homes since they're built to only a RV standard. So, be careful to ensure that you trust the construction.
I'm looking forward to when the novelty wears off tiny homes and people start wanting to look at sensible smaller homes. We have a long history of those. They make the most sense and cents.
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
There was a time when DIY tiny homes were mostly being built as a more affordable alternative for people in expensive urban areas where cheap mobile homes were not an option. They would pay a small amount of rent to part it in some friend's back yard. To me, it was less about novelty then and more about enabling poorer people to climb the property ladder. Now, it's about making them look pretty for Pinterest or whatever. They were supposed to fill a very niche need, but are being built ridiculously overpriced now for people who are overly biased against trailer parks.
The one thing that really puts me off trailers is that you have to pay a mortgage AND rent. Though tiny homes are also frustrating for not really being legal anywhere. At this point I just want to build a barndominium on a nice big plot of land. (Not that I have money to do ANY of these things yet...)
@@jackishea530 wtf these crypto scams bots are even on videos that have nothing to do with crypto?
Buy a used mobile and put on a lot. Better yet, somewhere there's already one set up on property for sale. No need for trailer park rent.
You can pay off a single wide in 5-10 years.
That's my one regret, getting a single wife and having to pay rent and mortgage. I don't drive yet, so where I am I'm close to everything that I can walk or take a bus. I think about getting my license and finding my own land to live on
@@knmonlinemedia sorry but your typo made me laugh.
Thanks for the great analysis! The only reason I can think of to go tiny home vs. manufactured is the cute factor and knowing your living in something handcrafted. As noted, the manufactured builders have years of experience, CNC machinery and know what they are doing. Many tiny homes are the same size as a large travel trailer. I'd take the travel trailer as 1) it is most likely much lighter, making moving easier, 2) better designed and built, and 3) it has water and disposal tanks that can make life much easier than needing sewer and water hook-ups wherever one goes. I love looking at tiny homes and enjoy their cuteness factor, but I certainly wouldn't buy or build one.
True. Is the custom design of tiny homes that does it for me, but to each their own.
I got lucky with my Super single. Built 2001, has everything included. Plus I got free delivery. The GE basic appliances are amazing but I did get a second frig since now I’m home more. It’s a Clayton; watch out for fumes tho, mine sat empty for 3 months with open doors and windows. The formaldehyde can be very toxic. Been thru 2 tornados, ices storm and 120 heat! I put in my own floors, pulled out all the carpet and painted the cheesy walls over the years 😎
Originally I was obsessed with THOWs. I could never afford a home- even a small one. A THOW was my only hope of fulfilling my dream of actually owning n no longer wasting my hard-earned $$$ on renting. That dream died when the tiny house industry decided to go luxury. They are no longer affordable. So, I began checking out MHs n was pleasantly surprised to discover that not only are they more affordable than a THOW, but they are roomier n not so cramped, while still being small. As a single person, it's very difficult to find small homes. Most seem to be built for families. I wanted something small but not so claustrophobic. THOWs may have more character but small, affordable, n well-made mobile homes are a great option, and the variety is endless. I am a student in your classroom. I take copious notes n have learned so much. I am researching which MH will best fit my needs. I will put it on my own land. Thanks so much for the priceless info n wisdom! I love your channel n watch it every day!
Thank you! Glad you’re finding the info helpful 😃
I would worry about having to lose my house every time I have to leave the motorhome at the mechanic for an oil change.
How about the Incredi-box. They have 8 x 16 and 8 x 20 for $ 20k. They now also have something of a factory and are building indoors. They are developing communities too. I think that is the biggest problem so far. The movement is young and communities need to develop and zoning needs to change slightly. It might be a reasonable trend for the future
We also need viable options for couples with children. The tiny home does not fit that bill. A single wide manufactures home probably could, depending on the size of the family.
Finally, some one that recognizes that tiny houses are a fad. A mobile home is bigger, better and cheaper.
This tiny home trend will spiral itself out, as it's too expensive and impractical.
And for less money, and just as much space, if you want to buy something mobile, you can have a really, really nice RV.
@@workingmamma5342 An Rv will be leaking within five years and probably have mold and rust unless you spend all your time in the desert in which case it will have mice and other pest looking for a home in your house, These pests also have a habit of chewing up the wires to the electrical systems in vehicles. The RV is not made to be a full time home and if you watch any of the nomads on YT you will see they are constantly having problems and going through a lot of vehicles and in an RV if your vehicle has to be in the shop a week or two waiting on parts then you are homeless until it is fixed and back on the road again.
I agree, I have a 14x70 that I purchased for 10K, and can muster up a squirrel or rabbit for dinner off my back porch here in Tennessee.
@@southernhippie9058 There are no standard in tiny homes, though. My parents had an RV. If you take care of it, it's mostly OK.
Problem is….if you’re looking at a single wide first thing you notice is the cheapest quality possible is used and it jumps out as soon as you walk in the door and the formaldehyde hits your eyes. Tiny houses are mostly built with quality stuff. Just sayin’.
Totally agree... I hate large open spaces, so I am drawn to tiny homes because I can see all the walls, but I also want a space for my free roam rabbits to run in inside. Looked at some of the single wide videos but the quality puts me off
Great to have options isn't it Debbie 3559!
@@susannaholdfield7499 I detect a bit of cynicism an think you really didnt like my having an opinion, huh? (Or maybe just voicing it). That’s okay, admit it or not we all have one✌️
Tiny homes tend to be better built. Higher quality. It would be great if there was some cross-over.
I purchased a SMALL mobile home (540 square feet) to retire into. It was way cheaper than many tiny homes, it was a little larger than tiny homes (I can't live teensy), and I was able to choose flooring, amount of insulation, type of walls etc. Since the home is small, I have a low heating & cooling bill, it is easier to clean than a larger home, and the purchase price was 'cheap'. With zero upgrades it would have been $25K. I upgraded the insulation, the windows, the walls, and the subfloor. For $40K I have a 100% paid for home with relatively low monthly utilities. It has a great floor plan. If someone cares to research, mine is a Fleetwood 14401X. It has a wonderful floor plan and I am loving living in it. I live on land slightly outside of town.
😳You have really nice hair. I was going to buy my tiny home but the price was 160k so I put the money into a 1200sq foot regular home. It's feels way too big BUT I know financially I made the right decision. I will still keep my eye out for smaller homes in a location I can stand living in.
Family homes here are 600k….
Never could see myself living in a tiny home. Great video!!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Tiny homes are crazy expensive for what you get, I’ve heard
They can be for sure. Thanks for watching Joyce 🙏🏻
I agree with a lot of what you said in this video but I think the advantage of tiny homes is the mobility that it offers
@@Jspg119 James a tiny home is not only mobile but the quality is like a real home. Regular RVs are not built to live in for 40 years but it is "cool" for retired people to live in them. I know my teen sons used to refer to people who lived in trailer parks as "trailer trash" - society looks down on them. Unfortunately it seems most mobile home parks ARE trashy and junky. Sad but RV parks seem to be better kept and higher quality living place.
@@jeanetteshawredden5643 I had no idea about that
The new mobile homes are nothing like those old tin can style ones. They have drywall inside (not paneling), and the outside has vinyl siding (looks like wood but is more durable). The inside is just like a brand new home and very good. At least the ones I have seen in CA are that way now.
The main thing I don't like about our SW is that the lowest loan we could get was 5.25% and mobile home insurance is higher than for a regular house. Also, the loan is 20 yrs, and I think that after the SW is 20 yrs old or if it has been moved from its original site, buyers cannot get a loan for it. So you can only sell to cash buyers and this makes it hard to sell.
But we plan on it being our last home and are trying to pay it off early. It is on 1/3 acre 2 miles from 2 of our grown son's and family.
Someone, somewhere in a marketing department there are people laughing their ass off that they duped millennial hipsters into the idea of tiny homes
They had to figure out what to do with all those shipping containers that they trafficked children in to harvest adrenochrome.
marketing to the pod people
I agree with you on single wide manufactured homes, but only if you get a quality one that's comparable to a traditional site built home. Don't go for one that has seams in the walls.
Why’s that?
I'm astonished every time someone says "I can move my tiny house around from one place to another". No, it's not a trailer. It's something barely roadworthy, that takes a very large truck to move, and isn't allowed most places. Every once in a while, you can set one down without the authorities having a fit. The chances of you finding a second place to do that are slim.
I just love my single wide, its 3 bed 2 bath and way bigger than I thought I would ever be able to afford
This is my 2nd video of yours I’ve seen. This and the Elon 50k modular home. I’m subscribing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Tiny homes are classist. Singlewides are for the people. Roma have lived in Vardo for hundreds of years, and Gadge always mock them. until it becomes trendy to have one. Seems really similar with singlewides vrs tiny homes.
Nope, you can't DIY a single wide. You have to give up all control and buy it from a company, that serves corporations and not the people...
I loved my 8x40 built back in the 50's. But back in the 70's space rent was only $75 mo.
Most tiny homes I've seen are gonna be difficult if you've mobility issues. Neither tiny nor single wides are for me, but these videos are interesting none the less.
I watched a lot of videos on Tiny Homes and I think they are OK if I'm going to spend a night in a friend's backyard. Personally, I would prefer living in a single wide because there is more room for normal living. In a tiny home you have to move things around to get organized in the small space.
I agree 100%.
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
@@fladave99 What do u mean 5th wheel?
We thought about a Tiny Home, but after tour of a few with my 6’3” semi disabled hubby I realized that it was too small. 399 sqft. I work from home so a loft was the only place I could work and I don’t like stairs with my bad knees. Going with a 16’ wide 68” long two bed and two bath, by Solitaire for $75k, delivery and A/C included. As always, a great video.
Great choice! Congrats on the purchase, sounds like a great deal 🙌🏼
I don’t understand the dimensions of your unit. 68”? 16’ wide?
@@carylhalfwassen8555 16' wide 68' long is what I guess
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
@4Freedom4All I bought a 40 foot 5th wheel JAYCO Designer trailer, built in 1979. Its is VERY simple, more rugged with rack and pinion slides that work great. There are trucks that will tow it anywhere if you dont have a pickup which I dont. Wallpaper looks brand new and everything works. New carpet, ripped out some cabinets, painted the cabinets and even knocked down some walls so its a modern full open front to back. . A shower with a BATHTUB that you can't even find in new ones. $4500.00. Roof leaks but a little tarp and tape fixes that till I am ready for that job but I live in it full time and just love it. There are still a lot of older one and dont worry about repairs. Fixing things is simple, even rotted walls etc. are easy to fix so its livable. Most just slap on some plywood and caulk and paint, find and fix the leak and its done. It does not have to be perfect, only livable. And the NEW ONES ARE JUNK!
You’d be surprised how many of those mobile homes are very poorly built.
for sure! even the pricey ones. Rooves on mobile homes are cheap, cheap, cheap. I put mobile homes on the same level as rv's over price and over rated.
I’ve seen tiny homes that cost $600 or more per square foot…that’s ridiculously expensive for what you get IMO.
I was such a fan dreaming of a TH..... Until I started doing some research and came to the same conclusion. I don't want to buy a huge gas guzzler to "tow" it nor live outside of the reach of conveniences. I found Mr Tiny and have decided a SingleWide would be affordable, small and still accomplish 'living economically & with less. Plus my dog will be able to run around inside.
It would be cool if there were tiny homes that weren’t super tiny. Ones that still have a few rooms like traditional small houses with the tiny house looks would be right up my alley
Mobile homes loose thousands every year. Tiny's don't especially if you have built it yourself with second hand material.
"Very few units of stuff that matter!" Love this!! I'd rather have more experiences than more stuff....and I'm a GenX'er, not a Millennial, lol. Proud single wide inhabitant!
I'm constantly trying to get rid of stuff now. Experiences are so much better!
Same ! Gen Xer here also
many tiny homes are now made by mobile home manufacturers.
Champion and Pratt are both doing it. there are others .
I get intrigued by the really great ones by baluchan in France, Minimaliste in Canada, California tiny homes ( usa)
tiny homes new zealand,
and just forgot the 2 texas ones name, Andrew Bennet has core housing in Florida.
so many are better than original.
I prefer a singlewide from 40 to 50 feet long 12 to 16 wide.
really prefer 12x40 .
precisely cause of small size .
also me my cat and my kid each have some stuff , but hate lofts.
standing up is so nice . no ladders.
2:06 So true about stuff 👍🏻
This video is so packed with very specific detailed information. I really appreciate the effortl you put in this video. This had to have taken hours and hours of work & research. Thank you.
I think personally,...people all need to build smaller, well built homes; limiting the square footage that could be built. Then...with viable land and placement, leverage your land with a small Tiny home, that could be...but probably won't ever move. Now,...you have in in-law, child, grandparent, rental unit running off solar/water from main unit. No more than 30 amp service...gets to become a decent rental unit...without having the renters be too over charged. How long would the average $60K Tiny House be paid back in CA or NY? 7-8 years?
One could even start in a "regular 1500-2500 sq' home...then do an Air B'nB on this home, whilst living "out back on the property" in the Tiny. Leverage the home for 10 years...and own both outright.
If there’s a storm, go to a safe location. How many times have we heard that?
People like tiny homes because they are on wheels and are not taxed as a permanent building.
Good point! I didn't consider that, thank you
Hi Kerry once again this was very informative info about each of these types of homes thanks for your knowledge 👏🏽👍🏽😁peace out 👸🏽😍
I live in eastern central PA, I've been starting to notice a lot single wides popping up in my area, they seem like better alternatives for one person or a small family. To me it makes more sense to have single wide than a tiny home. Many tiny homes look cool but some, if they didn't have any windows would give anyone with claustrophobia feel extremely cramped. I would want a little extra space in my house or I'll go crazy from lack of space. I need...space.
WHAT IS THE PRICE OF YOUR SINGLE WIDE? CALIF ORNIA
What I would like is just a Single Wide box.. nothing else. I can design the interior on my own. Manufactures can just stamp out some basic prefab house with only the exterior done. No inside walls or paneling on the mail walls on the inside.
Here we go, another real estate agent who thinks there always needs to be regulation on Citizens in order to ensure money can be made. Give me a break dude. To many regulations as it is.
If you can do the building yourself, Tiny Homes wins. If you can't swing a hammer, then singlewides are your best bang for the buck. But having grown up in trailers on a few acres, it's not generally built out of great materials.
That’s what worries me. I know ppl say that mobile homes look better these days but after a while they can’t help but start to look Run down even when you try to keep up with them. I have two family members that own mobile homes and there are spot on the floor of their house thats sinking in.
TINY HOMES ARE GREAT ,WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE GROWN OR IN COLLEGE..WITH TINY HOMES SAVE $-& YOU CAN BUILD A LIVING SPACE NEXT TO IT. JUST MAKE SURE U OWN PROPERTY .. 🥰MAKE SURE ITS OK BY CITY OK LLC🙃
Good points! I agree
I am single and live in a mobile home in a great park. I have a three bedroom single wide. I'm in Oregon and my space rent is $620 with cable, trash and water
Literally calling out all the TH-cam channels I’m subscribed to within the first 60 seconds. I appreciate you doing your homework
Haha crazy! Thanks for watching 🙌🏼
I never “got” the tiny home movement. I’m not in that market now but would lean toward an RV or a manufactured home if I were. My first home was a doublewide on a deeded lot and while quality and features were abysmal back when it was built, I could afford it and it had appreciated in value when it came time to sell it.
The mobile home park I live in is getting rid of most singles and replacing then with doubles...for the money. Stupid move. Not everyone wants a big house or the payment.
It doesn't make sense to compare a 200 sq ft DIY tiny home with a 1000 sq ft commercially built single wide trailer. According to the trailer parks that you mentioned, tiny homes are considered to be under 400 sq ft.
It's true that a larger truck is needed to move the larger tiny homes but an even larger truck, permits, and a CDL driver are needed to move a single wide trailer.
Due to the popularity of tiny homes, most companies that build them do so under climate controlled conditions. These tiny homes are also custom built using superior materials and have more practical layouts and better design.
One is not really better than the other; it all depends on personal preference. A person that's in the market for a custom tiny home will consider a single wide trailer just as much as a person looking to purchase a luxury car will consider an economy car. Let's compare apples to apples.
I come from a long line of people in the building industry and because tiny homes are the trend right now they are way overpriced for what you get unless it is a DIY backyard job which I would not suggest for anyone unless you are going to hire someone who knows what they are doing to do electric and plumbing and if any kind of propane appliance is involved you definitely need someone who knows what they are doing so your house doesn't blow up,
i originally was thinking about tiny homes for my family, but now im thinking about a manufactured home because they're still small, so less space to have to clean up, but they're better for a growing family i feel like. just me and my spouse and our two kids
Can park my tiny home almost anywhere with out a permit or foundation and move it when I like.
The price per square foot is much less for a single wide compared to a tiny home. I love watching tiny houses being built on tv because of the ingenuity that is used to make every bit of space functional.
Me too! The ideas the come up with are unbelievable
I am renting a Trailer Right Now! Thing is a Moldy Piece of Shit, and its not even old! Trailers become a Living Sinus Infection! I Now have Land, bought Cash! And I will live in a Tiny Home not on wheels that will be designed to one day be a Workshop, as I work on a Tiny 3 Bedroom! And in that Tiny Town on Two Peninsulas you can 100% Build a Tiny 3 Bedroom...
Self build tiny homes use the wrong materials, are very heavy, have the wrong electrical systems, and wrong plumbing and are not legal for road use. . You can buy a BIGGER used 5th wheel for $5,000 anywhere. Tow it anywhere.
@@fladave99 But RV's are not built like houses, they typically have a lot less material, a lot less insulation, won't last anywhere near as long as a house, etc. You don't really see well insulated 5th wheels until you look at models that are over $100K... RV's are just optimized for ease of transport and for recreational usage, which is why they're not legal to live in full time. But Tiny Houses are built like houses and there's certification you can get to prove they're built well and in places like the US where many states have started to adopt Appendix Q from the 2018 IRC update, it can even be possible to place the Tiny House on a foundation and show it meets code to have it be given a certificate of occupancy...
Others, like California, that haven't adopted Appendix Q will still recognize a Tiny House as an ADU but won't do the same for a RV... So there's a definite difference...
@@ZeoCyberG Yes, I had not thought about that. I do live in a 5th wheel and love it. It is 40 years old and is like new. So while light, they can hold up well over long term. It is all bonded fiberglass on the outside and 100% sealed so structure wise it will last a very long time. Probably another 40 years easily. . It has a special electrical system that wires and outlets "CLIP/SNAP" together, no screws so nothing can vibrate loose. I have spend a lot of time at HomeDepot and when I tore out a wall, I was surprised because I have never seen anything like it before. Plumbing is all plastic because copper would break at the welds with the vibration and stress. All windows and doors are rounded like an airplane so it is made to move around and not stress crack at the corners. But you do have a point regarding overbuilt which is good too. However, they are not made to travel long distances. .I paid $5,000 for my used rig. Nothing against the tiny home, everything has its purpose.
A real eye opener thank you for spelling out the pros/cons well done !!
First time watching this channel and it expresses something I've thought about frequently. There is one additional point that can make people think twice about single wides. I live in the PNW, U.S. In this area, most parks are converting to "no single wides allowed". They announce this and give people with single wides X amount of time to replace their model with a double or triple wide - or move. Once all the single wides are gone, the space rent goes up even more.
Interesting! I haven't heard of that before. Thank you for sharing
@@KerryTarnow Unfortunately, yes, all the parks here are doing that in the PNW. What a shame.
Should it be more regulated? No! Government has enough power over us. Buyer beware. Hopefully the person that built the tiny house videotaped the process. But the buyer can buy or not as long as there is proper disclosure. So if anything should be regulated, perhaps disclosures.
Do you want something that was not inspected and may have wiring issues and plumbing issues because the builder did not know what they were doing? That is what regulations are for,
I personally don't own a mobile home (own a small cottage) but I really like these videos for some reason.
a "single wide" is a trailer. .. a "tiny home" is home. If they don't stop trying to charge people as much as a regular home, then nobody will buy either.
Vital chance - exactly!
Has anybody bought a gooseneck tiny home and if you have could you tell me what company you bought it from?
Following to see a response (I’m leaning toward LTH)
I love my single wide. It is only me and my pup, so my two bedroom, two bath is perfect. When it was built, we had it built with 2x6s instead of 2x4s. The only thing I hate is the noise of the furnace. And the fire alarms tend to go off whenever I cook in the oven.
If you have the land can you set them on a basement?
1st thing most ppl don't mention abt manuf housing -- It's up to code- mostly after '96 (Boca)-- but all the fixtures are usually not standard for house. The walls are usually not drywalled, just rehanging several pictures over time-- can leave difficult holes, and walls are just so thin- if the trim or wall paper get damaged, It's usually much worse bc of the less expensive materials used-- of course it can all be upgraded, but It's much, much, higher in costs. Most everything is not equally retrofitted from things down at local homestore, windows bathtubs, doors, etc- and not just everyone is licensed or is familiar w working on them. If none of that is an issue for you-- they are a TON of sq ft for the money!!!
I have lived in 2 of them & they were esp nice bc of the vaulted celings-- made them feel very spacious and several skylights--(newer ones don't usually leak like old kind).
They are what they are-I didn't have small kids-- adults can be hard enough on them. One thing about tiny homes is that I feel some ppl go unrealistically TOO tiny. Adding a decent buffer from outside to inside if it isn't moblie-- would help immensely along with one room pretty soundproofed. Those are the 2 biggest issues I've heard w tiny-- is never getting privacy bc can hear someone speaking anywhere in home. Also trying to keep the outside out-- can make some people slaves to cleaning floors.
Maybe add 50-100 sq ft & be many times happier.
Or plan for just these worst issues. Just wanted to mention from experience the differences I dealt with.
Hey thank you for sharing your experience! Always like hearing everyone’s thoughts especially people who have/do live in them.
I bought a triple wide this year and had the inside gutted to remodel (only windows stayed because they are new triple ply vinyl framed). From what I saw watching my contractors, it was not that difficult to replace wall panels, reconfigure layout, and relocate toilet and fixtures. I took the opportunity to make both baths and kitchen handicap friendly and enlarge a closet to be walk-in.
Tiny home expensive and it has already been done with trailers. I spent summers in them growing up. They had bathrooms, kitchens, place to eat and sleep when you took down the table even more options. But the major thing you thing you learn is they are temporary. Tiny homes cost too much and similar problem with trailers and single wide’s is that you have a ridiculous cost to put the thing somewhere. Move to an affordable part of the country in a regular house or condo.
There IS no affordable place in this country anymore.
@@fenraven ignored parts of the country are affordable.
Not all tiny homes are built on a movable chassis. Also RV resorts usually have a monthly deal. Mine was $350. Month in Las Vegas proper. Resort included water and sewer. Electric billed seperately high bill was $115. in July. There was no pool and most people were long term residents.
I don't like tiny homes because you can't have any hobbies, no storage at all in those things. I think it is a terrible fad. BUT, I absolutely loathe mobile homes. In the South, we call them *all* trailers. Nothing against folks who live in mobiles, not at all, but they really take a lot of special care to make them stay looking nice. They all look similar, are readily identifiable. Some still do have the hitches attached, I have to say because I just looked at one yesterday from the 80's that had it. It's a tin can for humans, those early ones, no real roof. No matter what you do, it looks like a tin can. My father in law placated my mother in law when they were first married by leaving a brick house to buy one of the new fad trailers. Back then, they were cheaply made and just awful. It was a terrible financial decision so my husband feels the same about mobiles. HOWEVER, a tiny home or mobile is not the only choice. I would rather live in a real house, even a rather small house, than any trailer. I worked as a realtor for years to put my kids through college. I listed a mobile once and it had to have a vehicle tag and sales tax was involved when it was sold, just like a vehicle. In my very rural mountain subdivision, no mobiles are allowed, but my house is just 1088 sf, purchased in 2002 from an estate, situated on 2.25 ac for just $89K. The next year, we bought the next two adjacent lots so we now own about 5 1/2 acres total. It was a minor fixer, but we are still in that house and it's supposedly worth $270K now in this insane market (w/o the other two lots in the mix).They're selling trailers on one acre for nutty prices. I'm sorry, but to me, any sad, falling down mobile home on one acre isn't worth $150-175K, but that's what they are selling for around here at this point in time. And a tiny house ain't worth 70K, either, in my opinion. My son is looking for a house here because he sold his swim-tennis residence in the 'burbs and it's not easy when the median price in our county has skyrocketed to $540K! His price range is less than $150K (he wants to be mortgage-free) so we've seen a lot of AWFUL trailers and fixer uppers houses that are what I call "tearer-downers". There is a law that mobiles over 10 yrs old cannot be brought into our county. They just fall apart so easily on transport so they are not as mobile as it is implied, though they all seem to have that same look. A small stick built house to me is the best all-round choice, but small, not tiny. JMHO.
If I could just put a single wide on my side yard I would. I can add a Tiny home
I have spent the last hour searching my 308 square foot tiny home for wheels and all I can find is a foundation.
No wheels, no chassis/frame, no tow bar. Do I have a tiny home or do I have something else?
Tiny home too expensive and trendy. Maybe if you're constantly living in different parts of the country. Single wide is better if the monthly space fee is affordable.
'Shouldn't it be more regulated than that'
*No*
If you don't know the builder of the home, have it inspected. Most home buyers have inspections done anyway
Whether tiny homes, single wide, or even a McMansion, the one thing that I am always hung up on from the cost side is, at least where I live as well as most major metropolitan areas, most of the high prices for housing is in the land it sits on, not in the building itself. It also seems to me that places where the cost of land isn't terribly expensive is 'affordable' for a reason.
I have a friends in the Salt Lake metro area who sold their rambler for $800,000. It's not even in a pretty part of the valley, not a big home by any means. That thing would have listed for $100,000 just 5 years ago.
t@@thecatfromoregon that is Los Angeles price level for a 1960 single level starter home never remodeled in not so good areas. Salt Lake City has really gone real estate crazy.
Single widest are not "real estate", zoning laws all across the country are discriminatory... you MUST live in parks (low class areas)
Depends on the town. Some small towns allow manufactured homes within the city limits. Some do not. But tiny homes are even further regulated. They can only go in RV parks in most areas. If you plan on living in one place long term, no outside storage, no yard, generally one small parking space. You really pay for the bells and whistles to get swimming pools, rec centers, etc. While MH/manufactured homes are considered personal property in Texas, if you buy a property with one on it, to get a loan, the home must be tied down and becomes a part of the property, and no longer personal property for tax purposes. But, you cannot remove the home until the loan is paid off, as the home is part of the total real estate property.
@@lynnbetts4332 I live in central texas, What if I own the land but need a loan to get the manufactured home? Does that still tie it to the land?
@@lexpox329Depends on the lender. But shouldn't, as if the loan is defaulted, the home can still be moved off and sold. But if you decide later to refinance, the lender may require it.
Came to the same conclusion my self after doing research, looking at a couple tiny homes, and having a couple friends build/buy tiny homes. Tiny homes do not move well, doors and windows and stairs all shift some during moving. Cabinets get all out of wack. Also because dumb social standards some how people thing living in a tiny home isn't living in a trailer. Its a trailer people just marketing telling you it's a home. Can you live in it, sure can, there is nothing wrong with living in a trailer, just don't lie to yourself about it.
In FL it cost $800.00pm in a community. Add electric, water, easily an extra $200.00pm, Just 2/2.. small kitchen. Older home.. yep on a lake. Unfriendly community. Only advantage was the pool. Love to swim so long as no one else is around... which means early am or late pm and an occasional afternoon. Wk full time. Aggressive swimmer - have an aqua Pilates program I developed and worked out 2 x day 3 hrs total. That was the reason I stayed. When working out I take up the whole pool and while friendly with others.. and wait for them to do their thing, when working out am very serious. Miss it.. but feel very limited value for $$. Owned the home 100%. Destroyed by Hurricane Irma.
The Tiny House Movemnt orig was not what they show now. Been in it 20yrs. It orig was young ppl usually single or couples, building their own very inexpensively.
So they could save & still have money to enjoy life.
It was to have a small or no mortgage which costs at least 2.5 times orig price. Some were planning on retirement & simple downsizing & able to change locations if desired for retirement. It was instead of ppl wrking, gone all day for yrs not being able to enjoy the home bc of the cost to purchase, fix, renovate every 25 yrs etc. At least w no mortgage, they were 10's of thousands of dollars saved. More time to enjoy youth, children later etc. in their NEXT small or mortgage free home.
Now ppl are buying them and some are way unrealistic in size w older children etc.
Everyone's viewpoints are different. There are good & bad w everything. -Even if they try & prefer not to continue--at least they learned from it. Ppl do this everyday w many things. .
There are advantages to Park models and Single wides, but there also somethings I don't care for abt them--having lived in 2 of them, nice newer ones.
Especially, if they are not on their own foundation, in a park--there are many differences. But that is for each to research. They do have much sq ft for $$ but w/out drywall, & other items being mobile home size & not reg home size & quality (windows, bathtubs,, etc ). By time you upgrade to the same in a stick built home--then they arent so cheap any more.
But if thats super w you-great!.
Some of these ppl are completely unrealistic abt 3 older kids 2 adults in a 350sq ft home. Um.. Prob a disaster in the making.. But these are ppl they highlight on these shows.
Unless they have a ton of nice outside space.
But thankfully, in this country we can still try & make mistakes & it's O.K.
But this recent trend is NOT what the movement was orig abt, but if ppl will be happy--that's up to them. They shouldn't be criticized for trying something & then changing their mind.
We all live & learn.
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Singles are more efficiently engineered, better se of space, and more user friendly.
I wish there were a way to put a cap on space rental prices in parks.
It is up to local government regulation. If the area has no rent control, landlord can raise anytime with a 30-day notice. Rent control puts on an annual cap but even at 1 or 2% annual raise, over time the rent can be scary (i rented an apt for 25 years so I know the compound interest effect). Government can revoke rent control law, too. Some parks are on leased land from government. Once the lease is up, the new lease may result in much higher rent. Sometimes they can’t get renewed. Park residents either need to move the home or accept a buyout.
One thing you didn't bring up is mobility issues...tiny homes often have the bed in a loft which doesn't make sense for anyone who can't get up there.
Single wides are made from shit. Cut and dried. I bought a large 5th wheel 4 season with slides. Cheaper than all of that other crap. Easier to tow as well. A tiny home is much more expensive than an RV even without the appliances or furniture. I paid $8000 for a great 5th wheel with solid oak cabinets and floors. I pay $250 a month for my space and I have 200 amp service. I have a greenhouse and a garden. WHY do I want a particle board mobile home ? Mine has PVC siding and a metal frame with dual pane windows and if I need to move it, I rent a one ton pickup run in my slides and move. All by myself. So I'm not interested.
In south Florida there are some gorgeous mobile home communities, a friend pays $450 includes 2 pools, recreation center, library, water, lawn maintenance and trash,, plus about 5 minutes to several gulf beaches,,,, I'd love to live there myself!!
Before you buy either the most important thing is to check your city & provincial zoning. Where I live the restriction is a tiny home must be a min of 400 sq. ft. There are also hydro and sewage restrictions.
Good point, thanks for watching
Manufactured home/single wides are not attractive. The ones I've been in use space well but I remember the degassing smell from the carpet and upholstery. It was cheap looking on the inside. It suited the couple who owned it beautifully, though. Just not my style. I love the idea of making a space that is unique. I've also watched videos of people with second-hand models. I think your point about the difficulty finding a spot to park is more than valid though.
Haha. For real. It is cheaper to buy a single wide mobile home than pay ridiculous amounts of money for 300 sqft. How anyone could think these Tiny Homes are a good deal, with the price per square footage being ridiculously high in many cases, beats my sense of logic. I think it is a move to make people think living with next to No Room to Do Things, little Storage and Few Belongings at a High Price is cool. Sounds a bit like a scam
Your comparison if RV park to trailer park rent is not correct. I lived in an RV park for a year, and while the nightly spot rent may be $45, if you ask for a monthly rate, it is often much less. We paid 459$/monthly which included our electric, water, sewage, wifi, and amenities like pool laundry and recreation building. After 3 months, we worked there 29hrs a week, and paid nothing for our spot. Just so the real info is out there.
Single wides are better than tiny homes. However, your best bet is to by a small stick-built home. Manufactured Homes don't appreciate like stick-built. Plus insurance is much higher on older models.
This is exactly a topic I've been thinking about. Thank you!