Hey! We are a little late in thanking you for shouting out our channel, but better late than never! You may have noticed we changed our channel from "The Machine Shop" to "Lift Arc Studios" because after finishing our renovations and turning into a custom fab shop, Tay didn't want to be misleading. But again thank you so much for the kind words! I'm the editor of the channel so it truly means a lot to hear nice things about the work we put into our videos. Funny enough we've seen your videos many times before realizing you have known of our existence! As a smaller channel it's extremely validating :) seriously... thank you! - Walker (editor at Lift Arc)
I missed the name change, and was wondering aht had happened to this shop project. I see now that the YT algorythm had offered a couple of your later videos, (the big seat seems familiar), but I hadn't made the connection. Keep plugging away. Your videos are very good, and Tay is videogenic, so your channel will soon take off.
Just found your channel and power watched the whole mini-lathe series. I'm impressed by your dedication to the lathe. I can't wait to see how well it cuts in the end although I fear there's going to be a lot of flex in it.
Sounds like the X axis motor is struggling to keep in step over 750mm PM. It sounded sweet as a nut at 600mm PM so maybe start there and work up. Changing the gears to a 1:1 ratio will increase the overall speed anyway, so let them take up the slack, a distressed motor won't last long no matter what kind it is.
What sort of torque rating does the new motor you put on there have? Was considering playing around with a CNC conversion of my old 7x10 mini lathe now that I have a proper one and working off of your experience would skip a lot of the expensive trial and error.
Torque = Power/Angular velocity. Torque (N.m) = 9.5488 x Power (kW) / Speed (RPM) In this case it is a 750W 4 pole motor running at 1400RPM So 9.5488x 0.75 / 1400 = 5Ncm. ~ 7OzIn.
Re that urge to avoid redoing something: "Here at HalfArsed Engineering our motto is: 'Why put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until the day after?'"
This project was about a year, but a lot of that is due to making videos, and it only being a hobby. I had already done the CNC conversion and the t-slot cross slide years before. 'No I dont use it for production. I only very rarely use it. It is still a wet noodle. I prefer to use the big old worn out Boley manual lathe. Once the Schaublin is running, I will sell the mini-lathe. It would be a good tool for a small model maker.
@@RotarySMP Ha, it has taken 26 episodes to turn a great little Chinese hobby lathe into something you cannot use. After all this time not one chip has hit the tray. Your lathe will not suit small model makers unless you put it back to as found with the original lead screws, change wheels and half nut. Could be another video? Do you make any money from TH-cam or is it just a show and tell project? As for being a noodle, a knowledge of feeds and speeds are required.
@@T.Ackland I used the Mini lathe for 5 years in it's first CNC conversion. I got pretty familiar with it's limitations.There is a clip on one of my videos, which I grip the headstock and tailstock and twist them, with a clock measuring deflection. If you compare the bed cross section (poorly ribbed thin parallel Tee sections) to a real watch lathe of similar capacity, like a Boley 1a or schaublin 70, that is what I mean by a wet noodle. Yes with sharp highly positive tools, and light cuts you can get jobs done, but it is pretty painful and chattery, as diameters increase, but the lower RPM is high, with limited torque. I wouldnt return it to manual, as the manual drive components have been binned. They were also no a great design, as witnessed by all the required mods. I have monetised my channel, but it doesn't cover the hobby costs.
@@mrspeaky6885 Thanks for the feedback on the quality. I moved up to a better camera, as I was frustrated by a number of aspects of the Olympus for video. Hopefully from next week the audio will be better, as I got a new mic.
@@RotarySMP What camera have you got? i am thinking on filming my workshop renovation as I am renovating an old building, repairing old machines and creating my own makerspace and think some people might be interested
@@mrspeaky6885 Cool, go for it. I bought a used Panasonic G81 (G80 or G85 in other countries), as I already have MFT lenses. I like the focus peaking, and control lay out, it has a Mic jack for the new Rode wireless go I got, and the flip touch screen also helps a lot. Adding a cheap Sokani LED video light has also made a big difference to the quality of the footage. I do about 80% of the footage with a 25 f1.8 lens (equivelent to a standard 50mm in FF).
I took a few mental runs at replacing that X screw for a ball screw, but it always morphed into a monstrosity with some double length screw and the nut held on some growth out the back. What did you end up with as a spindle motor?
@@RotarySMP I'm still using the original 750w motor my lathe came with, I have interfaced the potentiometer 0-5V via a PWM circuit. Currently I'm waiting for a new controller because the torque is too low on low speed (300RPM) but that could be fixed with another PID loop with linuxcnc. And when threading at 500 RPM the spindle speed plunges down to 300rpm...
Amazing project, you've put so much effort into it! I would suggest, if you can, try find some ground ballscrews to put in it. This machine really deserves them. That backlash is surprisingly high though, somethings going on with the thrust bearings I think.
I looked for a ground ballscrew for X, but couldn't find a solution without a complete redesign of the saddle, cross slide and enclosure. The backlash is in the bronze X leadsrew nut, which is 17 years old. Backlash is less critical on a lathe than a mill, as you do not normally have load reversals in a cut. Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP Aaah, fair enough, If you're interested in a future upgrade - check out RLS' magnetic encoders, or just the normal cheap linear optical encoders from China.
nice video, great job and congratulations on your creature, just one question i can't find that guy named tay's channel or something like that, can you put a link? Thank you
@@RotarySMP I find this extremely funny as the other guy's lathe didn't seem to be all that good while the title claimed it to be the very best and yours is actually closer to the best
@@MF175mp I would be disappointed if mine wasn't a pretty good example of the breed now after the work I put into it. Those Proxxons, seem very expensive for what they are.
Wow, started binging this series yesterday and finally arrived here today. Amazing work you've done. I have one of these machines laying around, haven't used it in years. Definitely inspiring!
Something wrong here. The Machine Shop only has two videos up. Could they have changed the name to Lift Arc Studios? It has a guy named Tay who has reclaimed a 100 year old machine shop.
Do I have a box. No 25 years in IT I have a roof full of random cables to use for projects and anyone random who comes up and asks for a random cable that hasn't been in use for years!
To be honest, I wouldn't dream of running a CNC machine anywhere NEAR a region I can hear mechanical distress of the motors following commands. Like, nowhere within 20%, instead of hunting how close I can get. Regardless whether an impromptu check can detect lost steps or not - the potential for gray hair down the line is just far to high. As far as I'm concerned, it's just the price one pays for running an open-loop rig. You want to be 1000% sure the machine can actually do what you tell it to do, not keep wondering what exactly went wrong this time.
I have heard that, but find I need a little twist to bundle them other wise find it differcult to get them all into the ferrule without some getting bent out. How should I bundle them without twisting? Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP The plastic has a cone to help pass through the wire straight. If you twist it, the wire will cross each other and won't fit equally in hex, or square.
Why is your backlash measured in nanoseconds? Is this some kind of time machine? 🤣 BTW, I feel just the same when I'm about to actually use any of my scrap material. Pause, think "it's okay to cut this to pieces, right?"
It is definitely a time machine. I started it at the start of the year expecting to be finished by about March. Where did the time go??? Thanks for watching.
I labeled my box "Various lengths of wire." My family has made a joke of it.
That wire pile hasn't got any neater since I made that video :)
great video! you are my favourite youtube-star!
😊
Thanks for the kind words.
Hey! We are a little late in thanking you for shouting out our channel, but better late than never! You may have noticed we changed our channel from "The Machine Shop" to "Lift Arc Studios" because after finishing our renovations and turning into a custom fab shop, Tay didn't want to be misleading. But again thank you so much for the kind words! I'm the editor of the channel so it truly means a lot to hear nice things about the work we put into our videos. Funny enough we've seen your videos many times before realizing you have known of our existence! As a smaller channel it's extremely validating :) seriously... thank you!
- Walker (editor at Lift Arc)
I missed the name change, and was wondering aht had happened to this shop project. I see now that the YT algorythm had offered a couple of your later videos, (the big seat seems familiar), but I hadn't made the connection.
Keep plugging away. Your videos are very good, and Tay is videogenic, so your channel will soon take off.
2:20 How did you know I was wearing a blue shirt? Has the blue-tack fallen off my webcam again? ;-)
Looks like it.
Just found your channel and power watched the whole mini-lathe series. I'm impressed by your dedication to the lathe. I can't wait to see how well it cuts in the end although I fear there's going to be a lot of flex in it.
Thanks for watching. I have the same expectation. Let this series stand as a monument to not polishing turds :)
Thanks, loving The Machine shop!
Thanks for watching.
Sounds like the X axis motor is struggling to keep in step over 750mm PM. It sounded sweet as a nut at 600mm PM so maybe start there and work up.
Changing the gears to a 1:1 ratio will increase the overall speed anyway, so let them take up the slack, a distressed motor won't last long no matter what kind it is.
I think you aer right that I really need to order replacement pulleys.
Thanks for watching.
Ive also been following the machine shop since the first video. Top notch video edits
Thanks for that Nikolai. You must have nearly finished binge watching them all by now.
What sort of torque rating does the new motor you put on there have? Was considering playing around with a CNC conversion of my old 7x10 mini lathe now that I have a proper one and working off of your experience would skip a lot of the expensive trial and error.
Torque = Power/Angular velocity.
Torque (N.m) = 9.5488 x Power (kW) / Speed (RPM)
In this case it is a 750W 4 pole motor running at 1400RPM
So 9.5488x 0.75 / 1400 = 5Ncm. ~ 7OzIn.
holy crap 1min in and it looks incredible! edit: 24mins in HOLY CRAP AWESOME!
Thanks Julian.I like your Boxford. My Dad had one when I was a kid. Nice lathe.
Re that urge to avoid redoing something:
"Here at HalfArsed Engineering our motto is: 'Why put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until the day after?'"
Normally my motto as well. :)
I would be interested in just how much time was spent from start to finish and if you are using the lathe for production?
This project was about a year, but a lot of that is due to making videos, and it only being a hobby. I had already done the CNC conversion and the t-slot cross slide years before.
'No I dont use it for production. I only very rarely use it. It is still a wet noodle. I prefer to use the big old worn out Boley manual lathe. Once the Schaublin is running, I will sell the mini-lathe. It would be a good tool for a small model maker.
@@RotarySMP Ha, it has taken 26 episodes to turn a great little Chinese hobby lathe into something you cannot use. After all this time not one chip has hit the tray.
Your lathe will not suit small model makers unless you put it back to as found with the original lead screws, change wheels and half nut. Could be another video?
Do you make any money from TH-cam or is it just a show and tell project?
As for being a noodle, a knowledge of feeds and speeds are required.
@@T.Ackland I used the Mini lathe for 5 years in it's first CNC conversion. I got pretty familiar with it's limitations.There is a clip on one of my videos, which I grip the headstock and tailstock and twist them, with a clock measuring deflection. If you compare the bed cross section (poorly ribbed thin parallel Tee sections) to a real watch lathe of similar capacity, like a Boley 1a or schaublin 70, that is what I mean by a wet noodle.
Yes with sharp highly positive tools, and light cuts you can get jobs done, but it is pretty painful and chattery, as diameters increase, but the lower RPM is high, with limited torque.
I wouldnt return it to manual, as the manual drive components have been binned. They were also no a great design, as witnessed by all the required mods.
I have monetised my channel, but it doesn't cover the hobby costs.
very good video..thanks for your time
Thanks for watching.
I wonder if they leave the shaft exposed so people can add a magnet for encoder setups.
SInce they also offer double ended shafts, maybe they just have one housing for all.
Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP ah. Yeah that's probably it.
Well done, very interesting
Thanks for watching.
Great to see everything works so far :)
I am not super satisfied with X, but have the gibs quite tight. Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP Well you have comer farther than me with my own workshop, mill conversion etc. Also the video quality has improved :)
@@mrspeaky6885 Thanks for the feedback on the quality. I moved up to a better camera, as I was frustrated by a number of aspects of the Olympus for video. Hopefully from next week the audio will be better, as I got a new mic.
@@RotarySMP What camera have you got? i am thinking on filming my workshop renovation as I am renovating an old building, repairing old machines and creating my own makerspace and think some people might be interested
@@mrspeaky6885 Cool, go for it.
I bought a used Panasonic G81 (G80 or G85 in other countries), as I already have MFT lenses. I like the focus peaking, and control lay out, it has a Mic jack for the new Rode wireless go I got, and the flip touch screen also helps a lot. Adding a cheap Sokani LED video light has also made a big difference to the quality of the footage. I do about 80% of the footage with a 25 f1.8 lens (equivelent to a standard 50mm in FF).
very similar like my lathe setup (including linuxcnc), although your enclosure is more beautiful. Z Ballscrew X still leadscrew...
I took a few mental runs at replacing that X screw for a ball screw, but it always morphed into a monstrosity with some double length screw and the nut held on some growth out the back.
What did you end up with as a spindle motor?
@@RotarySMP I'm still using the original 750w motor my lathe came with, I have interfaced the potentiometer 0-5V via a PWM circuit.
Currently I'm waiting for a new controller because the torque is too low on low speed (300RPM) but that could be fixed with another PID loop with linuxcnc.
And when threading at 500 RPM the spindle speed plunges down to 300rpm...
@@mrechbreger Mine only had the 400W motor, but they were very small watts :) I blew it up.
Central Lubrication would be a good additional feature.
It would be, but I am afraid that might be polishing a turd. We don't want to over do things here. :)
Thanks for watching.
Very informative, I heard about you on a video from Ades workshop.
Thanks for watching. Ade gave me my first boost when I got started.
@@RotarySMP I've been following Ade for years started rewatching some of his older videos and caught your name.
Amazing project, you've put so much effort into it! I would suggest, if you can, try find some ground ballscrews to put in it. This machine really deserves them. That backlash is surprisingly high though, somethings going on with the thrust bearings I think.
I looked for a ground ballscrew for X, but couldn't find a solution without a complete redesign of the saddle, cross slide and enclosure. The backlash is in the bronze X leadsrew nut, which is 17 years old.
Backlash is less critical on a lathe than a mill, as you do not normally have load reversals in a cut.
Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP Aaah, fair enough, If you're interested in a future upgrade - check out RLS' magnetic encoders, or just the normal cheap linear optical encoders from China.
@@DUIofPhysics I have considered putting glass scale encoders on it, but probably wont.
Hi,
I am sure you were a bit eMOTIONal getting things moving... ;-)
An enjoyable video as always.
Take care
Paul,,
Bad Pun. The best kind!.
Not as big a WOOHOO arm pump as the first time it happened on this lathe 17 years ago. Thanks for watching.
nice video, great job and congratulations on your creature, just one question i can't find that guy named tay's channel or something like that, can you put a link? Thank you
Thanks for watching. Here is the link. I'll add one to the video info as well.
Heaps look forward to these vids
Hope you enjoy it. THanks for watching.
She’s Alive, Alive...Cool
Thanks for watching.
How did you know I was wearing a blue shirt?
:) Thanks for watching, and paying attention!
I had to look down at my shirt color. I swore I put a blue one on this morning.
@@riversvic Hwo thought a bit of wiring couldn't take as long as scraping? All of us. I was in that blue shirt as well. Thanks for watching.
RotarySMP I have been in this same wiring/Linux state for a month now. Think I’m making some headway now though.
@@riversvic Good on you. I subbed to your channel, and look forward to seeing your progress.
I love how you borrowed the title from another video I've also happened to see
It is a recommended method to get it out to more people who like this sort of thing. Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP I find this extremely funny as the other guy's lathe didn't seem to be all that good while the title claimed it to be the very best and yours is actually closer to the best
@@MF175mp I would be disappointed if mine wasn't a pretty good example of the breed now after the work I put into it. Those Proxxons, seem very expensive for what they are.
@@RotarySMP sure would be a bummer.
Wow, started binging this series yesterday and finally arrived here today. Amazing work you've done. I have one of these machines laying around, haven't used it in years. Definitely inspiring!
I'm glad you liked it. Not really recomended anyone else copies this. Better off starting with something more rigid.
Something wrong here. The Machine Shop only has two videos up. Could they have changed the name to Lift Arc Studios? It has a guy named Tay who has reclaimed a 100 year old machine shop.
Very interesting, thanks. New sub.
Welcome, and thanks for joining.
Do I have a box. No 25 years in IT I have a roof full of random cables to use for projects and anyone random who comes up and asks for a random cable that hasn't been in use for years!
Hard to throw away good wire :)
To be honest, I wouldn't dream of running a CNC machine anywhere NEAR a region I can hear mechanical distress of the motors following commands. Like, nowhere within 20%, instead of hunting how close I can get. Regardless whether an impromptu check can detect lost steps or not - the potential for gray hair down the line is just far to high. As far as I'm concerned, it's just the price one pays for running an open-loop rig. You want to be 1000% sure the machine can actually do what you tell it to do, not keep wondering what exactly went wrong this time.
I agree. I have derated my axis rapids and accel considerably from the theoretical max. On such a tiny machine, rapids are pretty irrelevant.
The wire not need to twist before crimping.
I have heard that, but find I need a little twist to bundle them other wise find it differcult to get them all into the ferrule without some getting bent out. How should I bundle them without twisting?
Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP The plastic has a cone to help pass through the wire straight.
If you twist it, the wire will cross each other and won't fit equally in hex, or square.
@@DPTech_workroom Thanks.
@@DPTech_workroom the Chinesium ones I've used didn't have a cone in the plastic
@@MF175mp in Ukraine we have only Chinesium ones 😉. For now I have no problems with them. The metal part must heve some cone too.
Parabéns ! Perfeito.
Thanks for watching.
C axis, and live tooling next..
That might be polishing the turd :) Thanks for watching.
@@RotarySMP at least a 8 position turret, come on now
I think it's safe to say that it's probably time to re-think Niko's status.....
Every comedy show needs its sidekick :)
Singular of axes (ax-eze) is axis. Pronounced axe-iss. You're welcome.
Yeah, I it drives me crazy too how badly I speak when I tape myself. Sorry about that.
Why is your backlash measured in nanoseconds? Is this some kind of time machine? 🤣
BTW, I feel just the same when I'm about to actually use any of my scrap material. Pause, think "it's okay to cut this to pieces, right?"
It is definitely a time machine. I started it at the start of the year expecting to be finished by about March. Where did the time go??? Thanks for watching.
Bist du eigentlich Deutscher?
Nein. IN Wien sesshafte Neuseeländer. Danke für schauen.
TH-cam channel names aren't unique. Anyone can name their channel anything.
I didn't realise that.
Thanks for watching.