Now that we are down to only 2 USA owned Major ammo makers I have been buying AMMO Inc. (By that I mean ammo actual makers that make their own brass). I doubt Hornady needs my money anyway they have the federal ammo contract. Its so important that we have companies like PSA /AMMO Inc that are here to help American citizens with ammo, and not fill Govt ammo contracts like the rest of the major players. I have been very happy with the accuracy and FPS of their rounds. Thanks for showing the expansion and penetration of their popular 9mm HP's Brian. Great job as usual!
I just got a box of black line today .they only had black line .but I have a half of a box of the standard left .both seem good but .a had a box of that Sierra.I used it to test a gun I just bought.i do appreciate you and others on TH-cam for testing ammo etc so that I can better make informed decisions.
@@ToolsandTargets haha your so right I had to go look at my components. I need to start loading like a mad man I've been loading alot of obscure stuff lately 45 colt 444 marlin 6.5 cm and 300wm
The standard for 9mm for the FBI is expansion to .53", but I pay more attention to the kiss and a hug at the end of the day. There is no FBI minimum expansion in response to that, but I think it beats that.💥!
Yes both performed great i would not wont neither one coming at me....looks like good ammo i never have tried it but if i can find em im gonna give em a try.....
Thanks for all the testing. I scored a couple boxes of Winchester Ranger 9mm 147gr today. I know you rave about those rounds, so I when I saw them today, I had to have them.
@@JohnLloydScharf Thanks for looking out for me sir! I’ll get them shipped right out to you right away priority mail. I don’t need any dangerous/junk rounds on hand.😂
I bought quite a few boxes of the ammo inc. black box jhp rounds and I got them for around $13.50 and I found they performed better than I thought as well.
I think TH-cam is playing shenanigans with your channel. Every time i try to watch a video, it buffers endlessly. Watching other videos, before and after yours, both on-topic and off-topic, does not experience these problems, but I know every time I go to one of yours, TH-cam suddenly starts running like molasses
Just to give an update. It took me multiple tries over a couple of hours, but I was finally able to get through the video (another excellent test. Both did great... in fact I think I liked the performance of the Blackline better). Like I said, I don't have this problem with even other gun channels... not sure what is going on
@@grahamohea2424 That's weird. I haven't had anybody else mention it so not sure what's going on. I wonder if you try selecting 1080 instead of 4k if it would solve it?
@@ToolsandTargets Or something like a budget bullet shootout where it’s Winchester white box jhp vs Remington umc jhp vs pmc bronze jhp vs Sellier & Bellot jhp pretty extreme for having to find all of these rounds in these days but just throwing ideas out there 🤣
Hi there. Good test never seen those before. I like the regular 115gr. HP’s. For the money. But both had really good results. Thanks Tools 🛠. ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸 be safe.
I just bought a box of Blackline today & have several of the black box over the last few months, you already know I got’em @ the good ol’RK. Just picked up a Shield+ for $499.99 on their “Black Friday sale” no pun intended lol. Sold my Taurus G2C with 4 mags & holster plus a laser that mounted to the trigger guard for $400 so got it for $100 & change. I’m much happier with the S&W than the G2C, G2 wasn’t a bad gun & they’re almost same sauce but that S&W is just a hair smaller and fits appendage much better than the G2. Good video I went to see if I made a good purchase & your video was the 1st to pop up so thank you God Speed peace & grace brother 🙏
In my one and only experience with Ammo Inc. ( 38 spec. ) I ended up with a bullet stuck in the barrel, just past the forcing cone. Apparently they had failed to put any powder in the case and it was propelled that far by the primer! Fortunately the recoil and sound were significantly less and I did not fire another round. Who knows what would have happened if I had.
I would choose the blackline black because I shoot out of a longer barrel and I don't want to over penatrate but out of my Concealed carry ill choose the first one
For me ibwould like the shorter penatration just for incase collateral damage someone or something could get hurt better at 16 inches then 12 but I did like both
The standard barely reached speed of sound, but the Blackline went subsonic and much shorter penetration. I don't have a suppressor, but I can't see having one on a concealed handgun. I'd say go with the noise!!
glad i went with this over that sierra brand one lol *edit* black box ones is the ones i got didnt see the other but id go with black box as well @14.77 here guess i should of bought more then one box
@@ToolsandTargets me too as i almost bought the sierra stuff but had a bad feeling about it so went with the black box of this which was actually cheaper but not my deciding factor because honestly would rather pay more for something that works better vs something that doesn't work as well that saves a couple bucks lol
That premium did not meet my personal standard of 15" minimum for synthetic. I really appreciate you doing the test with the pocket pistol rather than a service pistol because of my concealed carry perspective.
@@shitcreekwarrior8794 A subsonice 185 grain 9mm can break a bone because of the momentum, but will not penetrate 15" in gel. Unless you plan on shooting car jackers through a door, I would not want anything to do that. Originally .357s were designed to do that; not 9mm.
Thanks for testing all these different rounds! Saves people like me that doesn't have a range to do testing time, money, and worry whether we are choosing the right rounds. Like they say, you can't judge a book by its cover. Or in this case, box. You Rock, Tools ! Thanks again. 😊
I think the projectile having the longer nose looks like a real XTP round and the basic black box onses are an XTP knockoff. I would like to see these compared with an underwood or Amirican gunnerbecause you know those are real XTP
The black box Ammo won't cycle in my Springfield XDM Elite 5.25 9mm pistol. The round gets stuck in the barrel of the gun and won't fire. It has to be pry'd out.
Now that we are down to only 2 USA owned Major ammo makers I have been buying AMMO Inc. (By that I mean ammo actual makers that make their own brass). I doubt Hornady needs my money anyway they have the federal ammo contract. Its so important that we have companies like PSA /AMMO Inc that are here to help American citizens with ammo, and not fill Govt ammo contracts like the rest of the major players. I have been very happy with the accuracy and FPS of their rounds. Thanks for showing the expansion and penetration of their popular 9mm HP's Brian. Great job as usual!
Thanks for the video! Can't find much on TH-cam about these.
Appreciate you checkin it out!
Just bought 40boxes of .40 AMMO Blackline for $4.99 a box of 20 rounds.
Great videos! I’d like to see some of these tests done with PCCs. Keep them coming !
Yeah the beginning is the expansion of the bullets
Definitely.
I just got a box of black line today .they only had black line .but I have a half of a box of the standard left .both seem good but .a had a box of that Sierra.I used it to test a gun I just bought.i do appreciate you and others on TH-cam for testing ammo etc so that I can better make informed decisions.
Either one of these would do the trick.😎👍
Jelly Time!💥
How do you not like this guy?
I love him!😜
I know the jacketed hollow points in the black box are loaded with Hornady XTP projectiles.
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Sticking with the HST!!
We get it, you like HST.😂
All I want for Christmas is more and more JELLY TIME!!!!!!!! Thanks 🎅
Deck the halls with blocks of jelly, fa la la la la, la la la laaaa!
Glad to see this result....since I just picked up a couple of boxes of the blackline . I paid $17.99 / box as well.
Nice
Thank you for the review. Simple, right to the point. Cool hat!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Thanks for testing. Well made video
Thank you sir.
So glad for this test I'm pretty positive those not plated ones are hirnady ftxs
FTX has the polymer insert. XTP is the open hollow point. I don't think it's actually a Hornady bullet at all though. Maybe similar.
@@ToolsandTargets haha your so right I had to go look at my components. I need to start loading like a mad man I've been loading alot of obscure stuff lately 45 colt 444 marlin 6.5 cm and 300wm
@@tomsrandomness I really need to make myself load a few things too. Just such little free time.😆
Thanks for the test
Thanks for checkin it out!
Thanks for all the great info.
Appreciate you checkin it out!
Great video!!! Good work!!!
Thank you sir!
Always awesome videos man! Keep them up please!
Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!
awesome brother jelly
Thank you sir.😎👊
Good deal.👍😎
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Ty tools for another great video
Appreciate you checkin it out brother!
Thanks for going back to a 3 round average!
Trying to compromise.😉
💥!
Ya beat me to the first thumb @Excavation Nation LOL
@@hhhservicesllc3163 you gotta be quicker than that 😂
Flash Gordon!💥💨
Thanks for the video. Picked up 2 boxes of Blackline for my GX4. So this really gave me an idea of how they work.
Good stuff for decent money.
Thumbs way up 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you sir!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets how is Mr. Tools tonight
@@dalepogue5799 Not bad. Cookin up some jelly for the next range time.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets watch out that jelly is beyond hot
@@dalepogue5799 Don't I know!😂😂😂
Very helpful review. I was leery about picking up the standard since they were the cheapest hollow point in the store. Thanks!
Just bought 2 of these 20 rounds . First Jhp I bought too
Nice. Seems like good stuff.👍
I like the black box .380 100gr flat fmj.
Flat fmj is a great choice for .380.
I agree with you
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Enjoyed this. like the AMMO Inc. standard better.
Agreed 👍
I just bought some Ammo Inc black box up here in Maine....I haven't seen much of this ammo but it looks like great quality
Yessir. Looks like a winner.
My wife will never understand just how much Jelly Time !!!! Means to me after a long day at work ...
😂😂😂
The standard for 9mm for the FBI is expansion to .53", but I pay more attention to the kiss and a hug at the end of the day. There is no FBI minimum expansion in response to that, but I think it beats that.💥!
Yes both performed great i would not wont neither one coming at me....looks like good ammo i never have tried it but if i can find em im gonna give em a try.....
Yeah, looks liek some good stuff to me.👍
I actually carry the 115 black box in my Taurus G3 it's a very good round in my opinion
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Brother your a workaholic . I love the 9🏁👍🇦🇺Keep up the great work, have a great weekend😉Big Trev
Appreciate that. Gotta keep the train rollin!😎
I'm seriously considering this Gx4 ....
It's a pretty sweet little unit.👍
Ugh, tornado weather lqte tonight into tomorrow morning! I was gonna take a day and do some shooting. So much for that idea
Ahh, bummer! If you end up in Oz, makes sure to click you heels three times and say "There's no place like home!"🌪🌪🌪
Good stuff
Thank you sir.
Thanks for all the testing. I scored a couple boxes of Winchester Ranger 9mm 147gr today. I know you rave about those rounds, so I when I saw them today, I had to have them.
Those things are amazing! That's my "Sunday best" rounds.😜
If that is the 9mm - 147 gr JHP - Winchester Ranger T-Series -RA9T they are absolutely useless and dangerous. Ship them to me for disposal. 😜
@@JohnLloydScharf Thanks for looking out for me sir! I’ll get them shipped right out to you right away priority mail. I don’t need any dangerous/junk rounds on hand.😂
Black Line For Me
Can't go wrong either way on this one.😎👍
I bought quite a few boxes of the ammo inc. black box jhp rounds and I got them for around $13.50 and I found they performed better than I thought as well.
Nice! 👊👍
Thank you sir.
I think TH-cam is playing shenanigans with your channel. Every time i try to watch a video, it buffers endlessly. Watching other videos, before and after yours, both on-topic and off-topic, does not experience these problems, but I know every time I go to one of yours, TH-cam suddenly starts running like molasses
Hmmm, strange.🤔
Just to give an update. It took me multiple tries over a couple of hours, but I was finally able to get through the video (another excellent test. Both did great... in fact I think I liked the performance of the Blackline better). Like I said, I don't have this problem with even other gun channels... not sure what is going on
@@grahamohea2424 That's weird. I haven't had anybody else mention it so not sure what's going on. I wonder if you try selecting 1080 instead of 4k if it would solve it?
After purchasing ammo black line then watching this video made me extremely comfortable to carry in case of a self defense situation. Great video!!
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The regular cheaper ones say clean burning match bullet and all that stuff too on the box. Their bullets look like hornady
The regular did better than the "premium" stuff in my opinion.👍
Been seeing the ammo inc 9mm thank you for the test also a plus it had to be a Taurus
Seems like some good stuff in 9mm.😎👍
I'm a little late #605👍
And the barrier test would be a good test. Thanks again gellmiester!
Better late than never!😎👊
Interesting test Tools great video to buddy. Be safe aim small miss small GOD BLESS y’all buddy Amen 🙏
Thank you sir.
Both performed good. Either one would put hell of a hole in you. Thanks for the video
Amen to that!
I have a 12" phillips that can get the FBI minimum penetration without a silencer and needs no reloads. 🤣
I'm thoroughly impressed by both.
Agreed. Nice performance for a decent cost.
Hey Tools
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Great comparison! Keep up the good work brother!
Thank you sir!😎👊
I would actually like to see the black box ammo inc against the Winchester box jhp
Not a bad idea.👍
@@ToolsandTargets Or something like a budget bullet shootout where it’s Winchester white box jhp vs Remington umc jhp vs pmc bronze jhp vs Sellier & Bellot jhp pretty extreme for having to find all of these rounds in these days but just throwing ideas out there 🤣
Tools nice video I bought few boxes of the ammo Inc black box rk sale 😀👌
Thank you sir. Looks like some good stuff.😎
I think that brand quality varies depending on caliber. Prove me wrong.
You're right. I did a test with these Ammo Inc. in .38 Special and they did poorly.👍
I will take the right side one ☝️
You right or my right?😜
@@ToolsandTargets you’re right 😂 my bad
When it comes to bullets being defense or target, I don’t want to get shot by any of them. My way of thinking, any bullet is better than no bullet.
Amen to that.👍
Another great jelly test , I need to get a few box's of that blackline ..
Thank you sir.😎👊
Just bought a box of the black box. Based off this video. Replacing my box of the seriea 124 get that didn't expand..
These Ammo Inc 9mm are great stuff.
Thanks for buying this! I am heavily invested in the stock of this company. POWW
I have tons of it. Good to see it performs well.👍
Great video as usual! Keep up the good information on the best channel 🥇
Thanks you! Appreciate you always watching my friend!😎👊
Good vid.
Thank you sir.
Ya'll know what time it is ! haaa. I carry those black label's currently.
Black box I mean.
Nice. Some good stuff from what I saw here.👍
Thank you for the test I really appreciate it. Like I said your the only person I could find with the exact box of ammo I got.
Appreciate you checkin it out my friend. Seems like some good stuff.👍
Hi there. Good test never seen those before. I like the regular 115gr. HP’s. For the money. But both had really good results. Thanks Tools 🛠. ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸 be safe.
Thank you sir. Good stuff.👍
Pretty good bullet. I’d go with the black box
That's definitely my pick.👍
I just bought a box of Blackline today & have several of the black box over the last few months, you already know I got’em @ the good ol’RK. Just picked up a Shield+ for $499.99 on their “Black Friday sale” no pun intended lol. Sold my Taurus G2C with 4 mags & holster plus a laser that mounted to the trigger guard for $400 so got it for $100 & change. I’m much happier with the S&W than the G2C, G2 wasn’t a bad gun & they’re almost same sauce but that S&W is just a hair smaller and fits appendage much better than the G2. Good video I went to see if I made a good purchase & your video was the 1st to pop up so thank you God Speed peace & grace brother 🙏
Appreciate that my friend. These Ammo Inc both did a good job in my opinion.👍
@@ToolsandTargets yessir I agree, gotta new sub today 👍
@@ECTT1776 Appreciate that!😎
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In my one and only experience with Ammo Inc. ( 38 spec. ) I ended up with a bullet stuck in the barrel, just past the forcing cone. Apparently they had failed to put any powder in the case and it was propelled that far by the primer! Fortunately the recoil and sound were significantly less and I did not fire another round. Who knows what would have happened if I had.
😣
I would choose the blackline black because I shoot out of a longer barrel and I don't want to over penatrate but out of my Concealed carry ill choose the first one
In the house 🏡 tools 🛠!
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For me ibwould like the shorter penatration just for incase collateral damage someone or something could get hurt better at 16 inches then 12 but I did like both
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Dang, that's some low speed for 115 grains.
They did pretty dang nice though.👍
@@ToolsandTargets surprisingly well, for sure!
Just got some of the black box today to replace the Sierra I wasted money on
Nice. These rounds seem pretty doggone good for the money.
Black box !
+1 👍
The black box did great plus you save 4 dollars good deal .
Yessir.👍
Great testing Tools! These are a good buy especially the Black lines for the money and the expansion. Either one for me. 🎩♠️☯️🏁
Definitely well worth the cost. Appreciate ya brother!
@@ToolsandTargets Yw
@@ToolsandTargets ready for one of those Jelly time shirts when you have them Tools!👌😎
@@ratagris21 😎👊
The standard barely reached speed of sound, but the Blackline went subsonic and much shorter penetration. I don't have a suppressor, but I can't see having one on a concealed handgun. I'd say go with the noise!!
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maybe also prpeller is different, blackbox ones are ok in Taurus GX4
Yeah, I was pretty surprised how good these did from the short GX4.
glad i went with this over that sierra brand one lol *edit* black box ones is the ones i got didnt see the other but id go with black box as well @14.77 here guess i should of bought more then one box
Yeah, I have a good bit of this black box stuff. Glad to see it did good.👍
@@ToolsandTargets me too as i almost bought the sierra stuff but had a bad feeling about it so went with the black box of this which was actually cheaper but not my deciding factor because honestly would rather pay more for something that works better vs something that doesn't work as well that saves a couple bucks lol
I brought 2 boxes for my gx4... I'm glad you used that pistol... I'm surprised that the black box ammo had that velocity.
It's some good stuff. Glad to see it do well.👍
Are you testing the 9mm white box Winchester hollow points you just picked next?
They aren't the next video, but they will be one of the tests on my next range day. I have 5 more already recorded after this one.👍
For me the Blackline is the better choice. In the slow motion the temporary wound channel is better.
It definitely rocked the jelly.💥💥💥
I have the black box stuff in my conceal carry gun. But now I'll have to get some BlackLine and use it for my conceal carry load. thx for the testing
Appreciate you checkin it out brother. Seems like some good stuff.
Energy dump is better than passing through. The couple of bucks is worth it
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That premium did not meet my personal standard of 15" minimum for synthetic. I really appreciate you doing the test with the pocket pistol rather than a service pistol because of my concealed carry perspective.
Exactly. If that black line projectile stopped that quick in plain jell. Just imagine how underpowered it would be hitting bone or a car door.
I definitely try to use the short barreled stuff for something I know is purely gonna be a carry round.
@@shitcreekwarrior8794 A subsonice 185 grain 9mm can break a bone because of the momentum, but will not penetrate 15" in gel. Unless you plan on shooting car jackers through a door, I would not want anything to do that. Originally .357s were designed to do that; not 9mm.
Thanks for testing all these different rounds! Saves people like me that doesn't have a range to do testing time, money, and worry whether we are choosing the right rounds. Like they say, you can't judge a book by its cover. Or in this case, box. You Rock, Tools ! Thanks again. 😊
Thank you sir. These are definitely winners in my book.👍
Yep🍻
Dangit!!!! Excavation beat me to the first thumb! LOL
He's quick tonight!
Black box
Agreed.👍
I think the projectile having the longer nose looks like a real XTP round and the basic black box onses are an XTP knockoff. I would like to see these compared with an underwood or Amirican gunnerbecause you know those are real XTP
The black box Ammo won't cycle in my Springfield XDM Elite 5.25 9mm pistol. The round gets stuck in the barrel of the gun and won't fire. It has to be pry'd out.
Hmmm, haven't had any problem at all with them out of any of my pistols.🤔
That blank line is where it throwed it down in grandma and plowed on . 🤔 . Another great video, enjoyed it
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Great video as always!! Better than anything on “Tale-a-vision”!
Appreciate that!😎👊
do all 9mm Federal HST at the same time with p365, to see which one is better.
Here's one I did with the 124 and 147 from the GX4. Same barrel length as the P365. th-cam.com/video/wjMCPYDU5n4/w-d-xo.html
@@ToolsandTargets missing the + p.
I don't think you would be "wrong" with either. Cheap was better though
Agreed. Either would do a fine job.
I would get the ones that come in 40 s&w standard blk box ...Thanks gel meister !
Thank you brother!
I agree with you. The standard ones had better penetration and wound track at the beginning. Cheaper too.
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I would tend to choose the economy version with confidence. Not terrible results in more expensive. Thank you.
Agreed. They both did a pretty good job.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Jesse James ammo just renamed?
Might be.🤷♂️