Whenever PH says, “this is the boring part where I talk a lot,” or, “this will be a little dry,” I say, “OH YEAH! Science and data and measurements!” And I know I am not alone. The man delivers the data and we all learn from it while sipping coffee in the kitchen, or a Diet Coke in some other equally comfy location. Thank you, sir.
@@James_Bee I drink regular soda (very rarely anything with phosphoric acid, like Coke anymore), e.g. 7Up or other lemon-lime varieties, root beer or ginger ale (preferring Canada Dry BOLD when I can find it), or regular Gatorade Orange, sparingly, or Bubly.
I walked up to the counter at the gun store and asked to see the Berreta 92fs chambered in 9x19, while wearing an old Sears hunting coat. The man said, so you watch Paul Harrell too huh?
I see a new Paul Harrell notification and I rush to TH-cam faster than a Remington Green-and-White Box 9x19 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket Round Nose through a chronograph.
Speer calls the load "Lawman" because it's designed for use in indoor LEO ranges by having a completely copper encapsulated slug (TMJ) to limit lead exposure. It's also hotter, to mimic LEO service loads.
Seems that way. I use S&B and they seem way stronger than my own minimal handload. I wonder, is it safe to use with a silencer if the manual says not to use hotter ammo?
[Paul, casually] Today we're going to compare eight brands of ammunition for velocity and accuracy, without any kind of sponsorship. As one does. [Gun magazine editor] *throws his hands up* Well, there goes our September edition.
Considering how cheap Blazer Brass is, im surprised with the effectiveness I would be curious to see the difference if any between Brass vs Aluminum Vs Steel
It’s weird. Blazer Brass always jams in all my pistols. I always have failures to extract and the fired shells get stuck in the chambers. It takes significant effort to get them out. I’ve never had any other problems with any other brass cased, steel cased, or aluminum cased ammo.
@@leroyjenkins4811 Got a new 9mm recently, first stuff I put through it was a couple boxes of aluminum blazer just to see how it would go. Cycled every round perfectly. Could very well be difference in firearms.
@@aquablue6301 Yeah there made by cci which means there 22cal rimfire ammo is probably loaded on the same machine as the 22. Stingers and Velocitiers and just packed in bulk and sold cheaper but there 9mm and 45auto is junk I find it to be the worst...
Paul is so badass the deer have learned over time from him and now come to see his presentations as they're filmed so they've got the latest information on the weapons and ammo their enemies will be using.
-- Liked you adding the variations. Once again. Green and White box holds it's own as a good carry/practice munition for the price. Thanks Paul, thumbs up as always.
Green & White 124hp +P 9mm is what most of the firearms examiners carry in a very large and busy jurisdiction. Busy means lots of shootings/murder. Not stuff the the FBI gets its hands dirty on. Add: that's their personal choice for off-duty, not issue.
I got a 45 hi point carbine I got a bull pup kit for. Now the only 45 it fires without fail is rem UMC. Sad because before that it would've fed rocks and fired rocks
Thanks for the video. Nice to know that Blazer Brass and Sellier & Belot are equal to Remington and Winchester in performance. It really opens up the bulk purchase options.
The Variation section you have on the velocity board is incredibly important. Rounds certainly vary but to have a variation above 40 FPS? That can be significant. I really appreciate you including that Paul!
That is true. I would find it to be important especially when comparing the mean velocities. In the case of the Lawman ammo, I would be less concerned as the MV was almost 1200fps, vs the Geco where it’s velocity was incredibly low. As I reload, consistency is key, but you could be forgiven for a slightly wider range when your lowest velocity for a single round was higher than the highest velocity of the next closest round. Just my opinion. I’d be very curious on how these rounds would perform in the meat target as well. I know people will say “they’re FMJ, it’ll be the same”, but we just had a whole presentation on how that isn’t necessarily the case. Would they all retain their shape, would they keep their jackets or lose them, would they mushroom or fragment? I know the geometry of a bullet can make a difference, and if I remember correctly, the Fiocci ammo has more of a pointed cone, rather than a rounded nose, and some Lawman ammo has a flat face (I have a box of flat nose and a box of round nose). Given the commonality of these rounds, and in the case of military and some law enforcement, what would be the effectiveness against a meat target?
@@food_toobs8333 fmj’s are not crated equal as you imply. And as little as 50fps often makes a huge difference. Dumb ammo to use for hunting or defence but sometimes you don’t have a choice. Maybe you need something for wild animals and the only gun you have is a 9mm. It’d be nice to know you can push that thing 24” through a charging 4 legged monster and somewhere in that length do “stopping” damage. Really it’s all RPG stuff because none of use will ever have need for it. But for that one guy….. well I surely hope he’s paying attention.
@@food_toobs8333 If Paul really does a meat target on all those cartridge types, his family (or dogs only?) might be already refusing eating oranges and pork chops entirely.😂
@@boogerdog5247 the difference between the highest and lowest is called the range. Standard deviations are computed differently. And a correlation coefficient is only computed for 2 different variables. You could do mean velocity vs range but that wasn't even discussed.
It makes me happy that there are still people interested in ballistic data collection. Numbers mean things. Strait forward and informative. Thank you. 🔥😎👍
The Speer Lawman fmj was our practice ammunition and the Speer Gold Dot was our duty ammo (federal leo). My understanding was it was loaded similarly to the duty ammo so that you practice was similar to actual field preformance. In that same vein of thinking, your qualification rounds were always shot with duty ammo just to be sure you weapon was sighted in to your duty ammo. For what it's worth. Both are, in my experiance, excellent ammo.
Sellier & Bellot 124gr FMJ is my favorite range ammo. I have always thought it was loaded a little hot, and yet pretty consistent. It groups real well for me in pretty much every 9mm I own.
@ scuba - I just grabbed a case of the s+b to put through my Ruger PC9. Price was right, and I am glad to see it performs decently. Thanks for the boost.
@@roccofilippi1418 Any 116 gr seems to have more recoil or more snappy recoil than 124 or 147. I like 147gr in my subcompacts, usually Lawman or American Eagle. For SD HST 147.
The 115 I was referring to was the S&B. It is probably the hottest round of any brand I have shot in the same grain. I should have just said S&B within my comment.
Paul, I'm so glad I found your channel. 36 and (relatively) new to firearms. I love your content and I appreciate the vein of "Don't get too full of yourself" that runs through your videos.
I identify with your logic and humor and have been a fan of your channel for many years. I must confess that what some may consider boring is part of why I like your channel. Being able to sit back with my favorite beverage and observe the outdoor scenery surrounding someone shooting targets or using a chronograph to determine muzzle velocities is somehow cathartic to me. Anyone else identify? :D
I feel like PH should do ted talks where he tours around the US and does presentations like this, but we get to stand there in person and watch. I'd pay for that.
But TED Talk yappers typically are not legitimately expert, while Paul Harrell is truly a legitimate expert. However, I understand your desire to have Paul more widely heard.
Responding to some questions below regarding the tested ammo - the GECO is made in Hungary, and the Fiocchi is made in Italy. (I gave them to Paul & have the boxes).
I echo the comments in favor the "tedious" parts. It allows me to experience the sensation of firing myself. And I enjoy the scenery while you are doing it. Glad to see the firing from a rest to reduce the human element in the testing.
We Americans seem to have problems with some pronunciations. One of my favorites is Lapua. The common pronunciation in the US is La pu ah, when it's actually Lop Wah.
I used to buy GECO 9mm ammunition back in the '90s, and it was adequate, reliable plinking ammo for a reasonable price. Hard to go wrong with S&B or CCI though.
Great to see Paul is shooting from a rest, to make the comparison (in his Sig at least) mean something accuracy-wise. remember though, that anyone doing a lot of shooting with different handguns using the same ammo, what's great (or bad) in one, can mean something totally different in another. Summary, means nothing unless you do it in your own firearm.
If I had to guess, the use of aplastic may be some sort of autocorrect error as it's definition refers to the failure of an organ or tissue to develop or to function normally, with the most common being Aplastic Anemia.
it might be useful for him to seperate the video out into sections or chapters like I do with the tetris videos on my channel, though it might be a little tedious considering the average length of a video on this channel
I usually catch these as soon as they're put up, but was busy last night. Worked out to my benefit that I had some good material to watch while drinking my morning coffee.
I always assumed, based on zero data, that lawman, fiocchi, and s/b were much better than BB and WWB. Thanks Paul for this very informative presentation. And thanks to whoever sent all this ammo!! What a gift of such a precious resource.
I like the Fiocchi and S&B also...a lot of folks for whatever reason think foreign manufactured ammo isn't any good, which is just plain crazy...foreign ammo has killed millions of foreigners over the years, and too many Americans...our experience is it goes bang reliably...
Takeaway one--I was at my county range yesterday and it was hazy--and you seem to have that haze as well. California wildfires again! Takeaway two--"not all 9x19mm NATO FMJ ammo is equal" but performance was close enough--at least in the hands of a proficient "professional"--that having any of those eight loads would be preferable to having no ammo until my ammo source comes through with more. I was restricted to ball ammunition because of military regulations and corporation rules "for official use" over a period of 35 years. I used better ammunition when I could. The difference in performance between FMJ and JHP is smaller than the difference in performance between FMJ and no bullets. Thanks for this educational demonstration. That was a lot of ammunition during this period of no ammo on retail shelves.
This was very informative, especially in the current ammunition situation where, you can only get whatever is available which leads to several different brands in ones “stash”.
We don't lose sleep over all the different brands in our stash...as we shoot we try to shoot the stuff we don't like 1st to get rid of it, but it is going to take a while...i know the missus shot a dozen .38's today, all she said is she used the box on top (we keep our ready for range ammo out from our stash), and 50 .380 also got blown up...I've been encouraging her to go shoot whenever she wants to, but the heat has been harsh lately...she just texted that she was able to field strip the bersa, which is hard for her for whatever reason...she cleans guns with a religious fervor that would shame a lot of guys, yup, she's a keeper...😁
Came home earlier today after picking up my birthday present, wife sent me to Scottsdale, AZ with an address of a business plaza. Arrived at the Plaza opened my birthday card. Expecting a set of racing wheels for one of my bicycles, card directed me to a firearms store to pick up a Sig Sauer M17.
Wasn't the M17 recently adopted by the military? So a bunch of people will be using them as their service pistol, as well as LEOs who can carry a personal firearm (as opposed to being issued one). And lets not forget civilians are going to want them because they want military style weapons.
SOLID review! Extremely thorough and fascinating results - did not expect some of the findings, especially regarding Fiocchi. It would be great to turn this into a series comparing other popular 9x19 FMJ’s. Thanks for taking the time! 🇺🇸
Thank you Paul. I have also found different ammo shoots different. And also have found that sometimes it will differ box to box. Thank you for the video.
You should watch some of his shotgun videos. Here it's just brand and bullet weight. They're all fmj. Shooting the right target with the right ammo might be a bigger concern here. I've seen it several times on other channels that they mess up the order or shoot the wrong target after they walked back.
Now i am in a West FL no shooting outdoors place. Left 16 acres of hill and valley field and forest all my own. Shooting to my hearts content. Here only $$$ indoors place, outside is maybe 80 to 90 miles away. Am 60% disabled Army retired, can't drive far. So, like fans of Paul in cities and say, England, I can enjoy shooting vicariously, in addition to his wisdom. Have been capt of #3 pistol team in US NG, so was asked to help teach ccw class here, and his talks make great extra background. He is a great resource and super great guy. Kudo's to you Paul! CW4 Karl
@@avshockey6633 sure it’s not the Denver smog as well? I just read Denver had the worst air quality in the country. Either way we haven’t got the smoke yet here in the Colombia river gorge but if the winds shift a bit I’m sure we will again
Thank you for quality content. It’s been a little hard to find lately. There’s yourself, marksman TV and a couple others that are consistent but that’s about it these days
@@aksalaman4689 Gunblue 490 is a fine gentleman with a great teaching style, backed up by years of experience. He & Paul Harrell are the 2 best channels on firearms, IMHO.
I'm glad I found you again, Paul. I used to be subscribed to you years ago on my other TH-cam channel. I tried searching for you over the last couple months and finally just today TH-cam gave this clip as a video recommendation.
I'm told S&B have harder primers Speer lawman ammo is supposed to perform exactly the same way ballistically as Speer Gold Dot. So people can practice with the FMJ and save money using less JHP
Blazer is the best ammo for the price Winchester is by far my favorite ammo and sometimes I can get it for the price as the Blazer $13.00 for a 50 round box and 1.000 rounds for $240 with free shipping. The speer gold dots are one of my favorite JHP but the lawman's are not worth the money $17 to $20 for a 50 round box I would rather load my own ammo at them prices with the quality of the ammo. I like your videos you keep it simple and real and always give a honest review to the best of your ability.
Good to see you used a rest this time to try and take you out of the equation. I know why you don't normally but I still think this is the best way to test accuracy.
I always use CCI Blazer Brass for personal use. The only time I use a different brand of ball ammo, is when I go to the Sheriff range, where you have to use their ammo. Also use Elite V-Crown, JHP self defense rounds. Just saw Blazer Brass come down to $19 per 50rd.. which is still $9 more than before the Great Ammo Shortage of 2000/21, but doable.
The undisputed king of 9mm 115gr FMJ is Winchester Active duty M1152 ammunition. Its a flat-nose bullet. It clocks in @ 1370fps in my 5 inch M&P. The pressure of this ammo is a scosh above +P, and was designed for use in military pistols and submachine guns. Buy some if your pistol is worthy.
I imagine Paul as the high school firearms class teacher from an alternate universe where we actually realized that early firearms education prevents thousands of people from injuries unnecessarily... "please turn in your ballistics calculations homework on my desk"
If you find the chronograph section tedious you can most certainly skip through it. But all of us will judge you as not being a “true” Paulite(Praise be to the bottomless pockets). In all seriousness this is a great Presentation Paul! Comparison presentations are incredibly useful as they give me a good idea of what a type of ammunition will actually do beyond the marketing hype.
Another great scientific comparison of ammunition velocity and accuracy. You have made many comparisons that my good friend and I have debated. Thank you! On many winter evenings with a very close friend, two black labs, a fire in the wood-stove, and a bottle of the finest whisky, we have made many of your comparisons for handgun, rifle, and shotgun ammunition without ever firing a shot. We didn’t even take a shot, it was more sipping. We could not memorize the numbers either.
Actually expanding handgun ammunition does exist here in Canada; it's just hard to find due to a severe lack of demand (why would you want expanding handgun ammunition in country where you literally can't shoot it anywhere but a range? The logic behind most dealers.)
Thank you Paul and team. I appreciate the nearly comprehensive test, and realize that there are shortages going on, but such a test would have put things in perspective better had you been able to grab two different NATO 9mm FMJ examples (NATO packaging, etc.) to compare against what we are being sold. Edit: I do love the re-shoots to get better data on flyers.
Good demo. S&B, in my experiennce, has always been "stout" ammo. I use it for a couple of my hunting rifles. CCI, who makes Blazer and also Speer, is known for consistent loadings, even in its rimfires. The Lawman series is one I have zero experience with. Win. and Rem. in their "plain Jane" packaging are usually good choices, although Rem. suffered some setbacks. I have used Fiocchi since the 1980s. It is adequate for everyday use. Have never used Geco, or BBM. One thing not included was price. If the store's shelf has all of them and they were all similarly priced I would likely pick Win. In the absence of choice, they all went bang and any would be better at the range than an empty bag.
@@depqua7905 That's a good idea. I mean to keep things honest, he could have two cameras and the one with chrono could be on a split screen format, but then that gets complicated and then we'd have to have Paul showing us opening the boxes, showing us the headstamp, loading the magazine and then shooting it all in one take to eliminate any conceivable subterfuge. Some people might demand that in our low trust, low honesty world we're living in; the Empire of Lies...
GREAT VIDEO. I hand out your TH-cam like candy. I taught some and some days I felt everyone wanted a free instructor for the day. Then I found you on TH-cam. I actually get a range day now and then for myself. Thanks Paul.
Thank you for testing S&B, here in Europe it's popular and available. Would be great to see how S&B 9x19 JHP performs in the meet target:) In the ranges I go it is forbidden to shoot things that are not poppers or paper target
Whenever PH says, “this is the boring part where I talk a lot,” or, “this will be a little dry,” I say, “OH YEAH! Science and data and measurements!” And I know I am not alone. The man delivers the data and we all learn from it while sipping coffee in the kitchen, or a Diet Coke in some other equally comfy location. Thank you, sir.
The artificial sweeteners in diet sodas are worse for you than regular sodas.
Best to avoid soda, period.
I’m drinking Diet Coke and scotch my man!! Gotta keep those calories down!
As a certified dental assistant he disliked the soda comment lol
I prefer chocolate milk, thank you. :D
@@James_Bee I drink regular soda (very rarely anything with phosphoric acid, like Coke anymore), e.g. 7Up or other lemon-lime varieties, root beer or ginger ale (preferring Canada Dry BOLD when I can find it), or regular Gatorade Orange, sparingly, or Bubly.
You will be missed. You were chosen to be saved while the rest of us must suffer. Bless up Paul.
I walked up to the counter at the gun store and asked to see the Berreta 92fs chambered in 9x19, while wearing an old Sears hunting coat.
The man said, so you watch Paul Harrell too huh?
Are you what we call a professional?
@@jameschristiansson3137 I guess you could call me one, because I hit my target 60% of the time, every time.
@@jameschristiansson3137 edit:
You be the judge.
I usually start my conversations with, please bear with gun fire and your experiences and your training may be different.
@@davidw835 And pardon my Shatner - esque
pauses.
I see a new Paul Harrell notification and I rush to TH-cam faster than a Remington Green-and-White Box 9x19 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket Round Nose through a chronograph.
Fiocchi must be rounding to the nearest 1200😂
Valid information is never boring.
Speer calls the load "Lawman" because it's designed for use in indoor LEO ranges by having a completely copper encapsulated slug (TMJ) to limit lead exposure. It's also hotter, to mimic LEO service loads.
They really punch through wood ,I did a video on the 357 Sig lawman, 357 Sig TMJ
Sure it is
I read that the NYPD used gold dots for training too
Thank God, back in the sane, comfortable part of yt
That confirms my experience with S&B ammo: generally loaded a bit hotter, with good accuracy and consistency.
They do it right in the Czech Republic. Never had an issue with S&B, they duplicate the specs of older rounds well.
Seems that way. I use S&B and they seem way stronger than my own minimal handload. I wonder, is it safe to use with a silencer if the manual says not to use hotter ammo?
S&B is my go to range ammo. Been very happy with it
Same here, it is my preferred practice ammo in both the 124 and 115 grain versions. Also have had good results with the Norma red box 115.
@@karel3183 Probably not.
[Paul, casually] Today we're going to compare eight brands of ammunition for velocity and accuracy, without any kind of sponsorship. As one does.
[Gun magazine editor] *throws his hands up* Well, there goes our September edition.
Wish someone had sent some Federal American Eagle as that's what I have the most of.
@@abc-wv4in Hold onto that stuff. By far the best fmj round for accuracy and practice purposes.
Considering how cheap Blazer Brass is, im surprised with the effectiveness
I would be curious to see the difference if any between Brass vs Aluminum Vs Steel
If I'm not mistaken, Blazer is a CCI product. I've found their products to be of above average quality. YMMV
It’s weird. Blazer Brass always jams in all my pistols. I always have failures to extract and the fired shells get stuck in the chambers. It takes significant effort to get them out. I’ve never had any other problems with any other brass cased, steel cased, or aluminum cased ammo.
@@leroyjenkins4811 That is ironic blazer has always been my go to
@@leroyjenkins4811 Got a new 9mm recently, first stuff I put through it was a couple boxes of aluminum blazer just to see how it would go. Cycled every round perfectly. Could very well be difference in firearms.
@@aquablue6301 Yeah there made by cci which means there 22cal rimfire ammo is probably loaded on the same machine as the 22. Stingers and Velocitiers and just packed in bulk and sold cheaper but there 9mm and 45auto is junk I find it to be the worst...
"It's going to be very dry."
Then give it to me dry Paul Harrell.
We didn't click on a 7 way comparison for fluff
Rough, dry and hard... hell throw some sand it!
The best martinis are
"Lack of hydration" Mr Harrell, need to hydrate
Yalls weird.
If Paul left out the chronograph tests, how would we see the deer come up and check out the scene, as they seem to do so often in these videos?
Would you miss an opportunity to see Paul in action? Those deer are lucky
He's lucky he doesn't shoot near a cow pasture. Those are the noisiest animals I've ever seen. Perhaps they are used to humans+noise=feeding time.
Paul is so badass the deer have learned over time from him and now come to see his presentations as they're filmed so they've got the latest information on the weapons and ammo their enemies will be using.
Paul is just grooming them for hunting season. He'll call them in with each shot he makes, and then pick the one he wants.
Paul: “This content will be a little dry.”
Deer: “OH BOY!”
-- Liked you adding the variations. Once again. Green and White box holds it's own as a good carry/practice munition for the price. Thanks Paul, thumbs up as always.
Green & White 124hp +P 9mm is what most of the firearms examiners carry in a very large and busy jurisdiction. Busy means lots of shootings/murder. Not stuff the the FBI gets its hands dirty on. Add: that's their personal choice for off-duty, not issue.
@@LuvBorderCollies -- Agreed. Retired Ranger, and 22 years a PSC. It's helped me and my team.
I got a 45 hi point carbine I got a bull pup kit for. Now the only 45 it fires without fail is rem UMC.
Sad because before that it would've fed rocks and fired rocks
Thanks for the video. Nice to know that Blazer Brass and Sellier & Belot are equal to Remington and Winchester in performance. It really opens up the bulk purchase options.
The Variation section you have on the velocity board is incredibly important. Rounds certainly vary but to have a variation above 40 FPS? That can be significant. I really appreciate you including that Paul!
That is true. I would find it to be important especially when comparing the mean velocities. In the case of the Lawman ammo, I would be less concerned as the MV was almost 1200fps, vs the Geco where it’s velocity was incredibly low. As I reload, consistency is key, but you could be forgiven for a slightly wider range when your lowest velocity for a single round was higher than the highest velocity of the next closest round. Just my opinion. I’d be very curious on how these rounds would perform in the meat target as well. I know people will say “they’re FMJ, it’ll be the same”, but we just had a whole presentation on how that isn’t necessarily the case. Would they all retain their shape, would they keep their jackets or lose them, would they mushroom or fragment? I know the geometry of a bullet can make a difference, and if I remember correctly, the Fiocci ammo has more of a pointed cone, rather than a rounded nose, and some Lawman ammo has a flat face (I have a box of flat nose and a box of round nose). Given the commonality of these rounds, and in the case of military and some law enforcement, what would be the effectiveness against a meat target?
@@food_toobs8333 fmj’s are not crated equal as you imply. And as little as 50fps often makes a huge difference. Dumb ammo to use for hunting or defence but sometimes you don’t have a choice. Maybe you need something for wild animals and the only gun you have is a 9mm. It’d be nice to know you can push that thing 24” through a charging 4 legged monster and somewhere in that length do “stopping” damage.
Really it’s all RPG stuff because none of use will ever have need for it. But for that one guy….. well I surely hope he’s paying attention.
@@food_toobs8333 If Paul really does a meat target on all those cartridge types, his family (or dogs only?) might be already refusing eating oranges and pork chops entirely.😂
@@boogerdog5247 the difference between the highest and lowest is called the range. Standard deviations are computed differently. And a correlation coefficient is only computed for 2 different variables. You could do mean velocity vs range but that wasn't even discussed.
@@allalbavincero
Doesn't make much sense with fmj.
Another outstanding Paul Harrell video. Standard in excellence of real world shooting metrics.
It makes me happy that there are still people interested in ballistic data collection. Numbers mean things. Strait forward and informative. Thank you. 🔥😎👍
I think you mean "straightforward". Sorry, things like that just really bother me.
I skipped the chrono work, but stayed for the analysis. Then I watched the target shooting, because the accuracy of various ammunition is interesting.
The Speer Lawman fmj was our practice ammunition and the Speer Gold Dot was our duty ammo (federal leo). My understanding was it was loaded similarly to the duty ammo so that you practice was similar to actual field preformance. In that same vein of thinking, your qualification rounds were always shot with duty ammo just to be sure you weapon was sighted in to your duty ammo. For what it's worth. Both are, in my experiance, excellent ammo.
"This will be dry, but informative."
That should be the name of this channel. And I mean that with the utmost respect.
Damn Paul, you shoot tighter groups at 25 than I do at 7. And please keep those chronograph tests coming!
Asking to remove the chronograph is like asking Bob Ross to skip painting trees or happy clouds.
Yep. Paul shows his work.
Easy enough to listen to the numbers and do the math ourselves if we are so inclined.
I love this combination of painstaking detail and succinct delivery!
Its always a good day for us when Paul shoots guns and decides to share what he has learned. Thanks Paul!!
Sellier & Bellot 124gr FMJ is my favorite range ammo. I have always thought it was loaded a little hot, and yet pretty consistent. It groups real well for me in pretty much every 9mm I own.
I can tell out of my P365 the 115 is a little hotter...
@ scuba - I just grabbed a case of the s+b to put through my Ruger PC9. Price was right, and I am glad to see it performs decently. Thanks for the boost.
@@roccofilippi1418 Any 116 gr seems to have more recoil or more snappy recoil than 124 or 147. I like 147gr in my subcompacts, usually Lawman or American Eagle. For SD HST 147.
The 115 I was referring to was the S&B. It is probably the hottest round of any brand I have shot in the same grain. I should have just said S&B within my comment.
I prefer the S&B 124 gr over PMC, Blazer, Fiochi, Magtech, and Norma. But I get whichever of them is cheapest when I need some.
My 2.5 year-old daughter is loving this video. Paul's metronomic pace makes it easy for her to count-down each shot.
Sesame street eat your heart out. Your daughter will be memorizing ballistic charts like they were multiplication tables.
Paul, I'm so glad I found your channel.
36 and (relatively) new to firearms.
I love your content and I appreciate the vein of "Don't get too full of yourself" that runs through your videos.
Welcome to the firearm community!
Another golden presentation.
Bravest deer in history.... they have no idea how quick they could be in a freezer if Paul decided to go rogue
Lol. Paul going rogue. 🤣🤣🤣
Deer have an odd general habit of gravitating towards shooting. Maybe they think the noise is from antlers?
why on hunting you need to be silent and walk slowly if even shooting doesnt scare deers?
@@richardpashos Because they know to associate cracking leaves and branches with potential threats.
Nawwww, the deer in the area simple know that when Paul's behind the trigger, their safe until hunting season.
I identify with your logic and humor and have been a fan of your channel for many years. I must confess that what some may consider boring is part of why I like your channel. Being able to sit back with my favorite beverage and observe the outdoor scenery surrounding someone shooting targets or using a chronograph to determine muzzle velocities is somehow cathartic to me. Anyone else identify? :D
I feel like PH should do ted talks where he tours around the US and does presentations like this, but we get to stand there in person and watch. I'd pay for that.
Paul talks
But TED Talk yappers typically are not legitimately expert, while Paul Harrell is truly a legitimate expert.
However, I understand your desire to have Paul more widely heard.
Audiobooks, too.
Heck I'd go to a Paul concert and I've never even heard him sing.
Ted talks seem to be for liberal weenies.
Responding to some questions below regarding the tested ammo - the GECO is made in Hungary, and the Fiocchi is made in Italy. (I gave them to Paul & have the boxes).
I echo the comments in favor the "tedious" parts. It allows me to experience the sensation of firing myself. And I enjoy the scenery while you are doing it. Glad to see the firing from a rest to reduce the human element in the testing.
I love the dry data. This is my favorite shooting instruction channel.
Never heard the prononciation of Sellior and Bellot well done Paul lol
Heck he needs to do a review of French 7 millimeter Long with Forgotten Weapons
We Americans seem to have problems with some pronunciations.
One of my favorites is Lapua. The common pronunciation in the US is La pu ah, when it's actually Lop Wah.
RIP Paul!
Thank You for another great ammo comparison Mr. Harrell.
I used to buy GECO 9mm ammunition back in the '90s, and it was adequate, reliable plinking ammo for a reasonable price.
Hard to go wrong with S&B or CCI though.
Excellent presentation, as always Paul. It's obvious why I've been buying Blazer Brass just about forever. It's a great product !
Your mom is a great product
@@Icecream-edible Actually Aaron, if you think about it we both are the products of our mothers.
Geco. 15 minutes of shooting will lose you 15% or more in accuracy.
hahaha
Great to see Paul is shooting from a rest, to make the comparison (in his Sig at least) mean something accuracy-wise.
remember though, that anyone doing a lot of shooting with different handguns using the same ammo, what's great (or bad) in one, can mean something totally different in another. Summary, means nothing unless you do it in your own firearm.
Leave the chrono in Paul if people don’t want to see it they can aplastic forward like you advised
Aplastic?
Aplastic?
If I had to guess, the use of aplastic may be some sort of autocorrect error as it's definition refers to the failure of an organ or tissue to develop or to function normally, with the most common being Aplastic Anemia.
@@mattsmechanicalssi5833 now that's a rabbit hole I'd not expected
it might be useful for him to seperate the video out into sections or chapters like I do with the tetris videos on my channel, though it might be a little tedious considering the average length of a video on this channel
You just made my night at work ten fold better! I LOVE tedious chronograph testing!
Criminal gets shot, looks at wound, about to die, then at me: "Cheap ammo? Seriously?"
Yeah, cause I use the good stuff for hunting. Criminals get the cheap stuff, animals the expensive. Sounds fair.
unless he's on crack and the fmj bullet passes straight through him so he continues to attack you until he bleeds out
@@farklestaxbaum4945 Then shoot em twice.
@@somebloke3869
Due to the high cost of ammo there will be no warning shot and If can read this you are in range.
@@shawnr771 why only twice? Surely your magazine holds more than two rounds.
I usually catch these as soon as they're put up, but was busy last night. Worked out to my benefit that I had some good material to watch while drinking my morning coffee.
I always assumed, based on zero data, that lawman, fiocchi, and s/b were much better than BB and WWB. Thanks Paul for this very informative presentation. And thanks to whoever sent all this ammo!! What a gift of such a precious resource.
I like the Fiocchi and S&B also...a lot of folks for whatever reason think foreign manufactured ammo isn't any good, which is just plain crazy...foreign ammo has killed millions of foreigners over the years, and too many Americans...our experience is it goes bang reliably...
The back ground in the beginning of the video is absolutely beautiful. Thanks for the video!
I'm sure they are not created equal but about to watch from the master.
Takeaway one--I was at my county range yesterday and it was hazy--and you seem to have that haze as well. California wildfires again!
Takeaway two--"not all 9x19mm NATO FMJ ammo is equal" but performance was close enough--at least in the hands of a proficient "professional"--that having any of those eight loads would be preferable to having no ammo until my ammo source comes through with more.
I was restricted to ball ammunition because of military regulations and corporation rules "for official use" over a period of 35 years. I used better ammunition when I could. The difference in performance between FMJ and JHP is smaller than the difference in performance between FMJ and no bullets.
Thanks for this educational demonstration. That was a lot of ammunition during this period of no ammo on retail shelves.
This was very informative, especially in the current ammunition situation where, you can only get whatever is available which leads to several different brands in ones “stash”.
We don't lose sleep over all the different brands in our stash...as we shoot we try to shoot the stuff we don't like 1st to get rid of it, but it is going to take a while...i know the missus shot a dozen .38's today, all she said is she used the box on top (we keep our ready for range ammo out from our stash), and 50 .380 also got blown up...I've been encouraging her to go shoot whenever she wants to, but the heat has been harsh lately...she just texted that she was able to field strip the bersa, which is hard for her for whatever reason...she cleans guns with a religious fervor that would shame a lot of guys, yup, she's a keeper...😁
Thanks so much for posting, this was actually really helpful!
So glad to see this pop up in my notifications!!
I LOVE the chronograph section. Those that don’t should bugger off.
Came home earlier today after picking up my birthday present, wife sent me to Scottsdale, AZ with an address of a business plaza. Arrived at the Plaza opened my birthday card. Expecting a set of racing wheels for one of my bicycles, card directed me to a firearms store to pick up a Sig Sauer M17.
The meat targets breathed a sigh of relief.
Oh no they haven't. We need the meat targets of these ammos.
@@koltendavis4802
S&B for the win. And it's affordable.
Paul: "The firearm I'm going to use today is my Sig Saur M17..."
Me: "No Beretta 92?" Starts hoarding toilet paper.
Huh?
@@Icecream-edible usually Paul’s go to 9mm pistol is his Beretta 92. He even has a video on it being the last gun he would get rid of.
@@Icecream-edible I think it's an end of times comment
Wasn't the M17 recently adopted by the military? So a bunch of people will be using them as their service pistol, as well as LEOs who can carry a personal firearm (as opposed to being issued one). And lets not forget civilians are going to want them because they want military style weapons.
Fascinating segment, and thank you for pronouncing Sellier et Bellot so nicely.
Paul: "This is going to be tedious". Comment section: "Excited noises."
Excited noises? That comment made me very uncomfortable and probably scare Paul to death
Nicely done, I appreciate the correct pronunciation of the Sellier and Bellot ammo. Blazer continues to surprise, a welcome surprise.
SOLID review! Extremely thorough and fascinating results - did not expect some of the findings, especially regarding Fiocchi.
It would be great to turn this into a series comparing other popular 9x19 FMJ’s. Thanks for taking the time! 🇺🇸
Thank you Paul. I have also found different ammo shoots different. And also have found that sometimes it will differ box to box. Thank you for the video.
We finally found Pauls fatal flaw- He can’t memorize 8 different ammunitions and variations in order.
That's it, he's off the project.
You're gonna have that on these bigger jobs.
He actually can, but pretends not to so his fans don’t feel to bad.
You should watch some of his shotgun videos. Here it's just brand and bullet weight. They're all fmj.
Shooting the right target with the right ammo might be a bigger concern here. I've seen it several times on other channels that they mess up the order or shoot the wrong target after they walked back.
@@danielaramburo7648 I feel bad every time he shoots. Makes me see how much I suck
Now i am in a West FL no shooting outdoors place. Left 16 acres of hill and valley field and forest all my own. Shooting to my hearts content. Here only $$$ indoors place, outside is maybe 80 to 90 miles away. Am 60% disabled Army retired, can't drive far. So, like fans of Paul in cities and say, England, I can enjoy shooting vicariously, in addition to his wisdom. Have been capt of #3 pistol team in US NG, so was asked to help teach ccw class here, and his talks make great extra background. He is a great resource and super great guy. Kudo's to you Paul! CW4 Karl
Wet dogs, a cup of coffee and a new Paul video. A good start to the day.
This has to be one of his prettiest videos. Loved the view while shooting over the chronograph.
Ah yes...I see you are in the smoke as well! The valley is fairing...somewhat better...for now. Thanks for your time!
We just drove from Idaho to New Mexico and had it there entire way…
Friday morning this wall of brown rolled into the Salt Lake Valley and made the place reek
@@Tadicuslegion78 It has been smoky as hell in Colorado too. It's so thick that it's hard to even see the mountains from the Denver metro area.
I live in Texas and we can see the haze.
@@avshockey6633 sure it’s not the Denver smog as well? I just read Denver had the worst air quality in the country. Either way we haven’t got the smoke yet here in the Colombia river gorge but if the winds shift a bit I’m sure we will again
How detailed you get during your explanations, unreal... Fantastic!!!
Thank you for quality content. It’s been a little hard to find lately. There’s yourself, marksman TV and a couple others that are consistent but that’s about it these days
I enjoy USOG and Gunblue 490 also.
Gun sam revolver afficanadio is good.
God family and guns, honest outlaw, the firearm guy and beretta9mmusa have some very good videos also.
@@aksalaman4689 Gunblue 490 is a fine gentleman with a great teaching style, backed up by years of experience. He & Paul Harrell are the 2 best channels on firearms, IMHO.
@@willwilliam217 GF&G is a honeypot made by subversives. Their "God" is not what you probably assume or think.
I'm glad I found you again, Paul. I used to be subscribed to you years ago on my other TH-cam channel. I tried searching for you over the last couple months and finally just today TH-cam gave this clip as a video recommendation.
I'm told S&B have harder primers
Speer lawman ammo is supposed to perform exactly the same way ballistically as Speer Gold Dot.
So people can practice with the FMJ and save money using less JHP
This was delightful. Thanks!
That smoke in the back ground is so bad I cant see the mountains where I live in Albuquerque NM! As always excellent work on the video.
It just cleared up today here in the 4 corners. Was just as bad as what you see there in ABQ.
Blazer is the best ammo for the price Winchester is by far my favorite ammo and sometimes I can get it for the price as the Blazer $13.00 for a 50 round box and 1.000 rounds for $240 with free shipping. The speer gold dots are one of my favorite JHP but the lawman's are not worth the money $17 to $20 for a 50 round box I would rather load my own ammo at them prices with the quality of the ammo. I like your videos you keep it simple and real and always give a honest review to the best of your ability.
Good to see you used a rest this time to try and take you out of the equation. I know why you don't normally but I still think this is the best way to test accuracy.
I always use CCI Blazer Brass for personal use. The only time I use a different brand of ball ammo, is when I go to the Sheriff range, where you have to use their ammo. Also use Elite V-Crown, JHP self defense rounds. Just saw Blazer Brass come down to $19 per 50rd.. which is still $9 more than before the Great Ammo Shortage of 2000/21, but doable.
The undisputed king of 9mm 115gr FMJ is Winchester Active duty M1152 ammunition. Its a flat-nose bullet. It clocks in @ 1370fps in my 5 inch M&P. The pressure of this ammo is a scosh above +P, and was designed for use in military pistols and submachine guns. Buy some if your pistol is worthy.
I imagine Paul as the high school firearms class teacher from an alternate universe where we actually realized that early firearms education prevents thousands of people from injuries unnecessarily... "please turn in your ballistics calculations homework on my desk"
I like the chronograph segments. I find it quite relaxing.
If you find the chronograph section tedious you can most certainly skip through it. But all of us will judge you as not being a “true” Paulite(Praise be to the bottomless pockets).
In all seriousness this is a great Presentation Paul! Comparison presentations are incredibly useful as they give me a good idea of what a type of ammunition will actually do beyond the marketing hype.
All praise the poooockeeeets..... Aaaaaaaameeeen
Another great scientific comparison of ammunition velocity and accuracy. You have made many comparisons that my good friend and I have debated. Thank you!
On many winter evenings with a very close friend, two black labs, a fire in the wood-stove, and a bottle of the finest whisky, we have made many of your comparisons for handgun, rifle, and shotgun ammunition without ever firing a shot. We didn’t even take a shot, it was more sipping. We could not memorize the numbers either.
Yes, a new Paul Harrel video. Supposed to be sleeping, but oh well, I'll take an extra energy drink at work!
I love the chronograph segment! Thanks for another great video, Paul
Yup here in Canada we're relegated to FMJ ammo. Nothing here expands except the left wing autocracy.
US sees the same expansion as well.
@@allalbavincero big corpos and warhawks = left wing ?
That kind of expansion sure causes some serious wounds.
@@kitosjek9541 Big Tech are Cultural Marxists to the core.
Actually expanding handgun ammunition does exist here in Canada; it's just hard to find due to a severe lack of demand (why would you want expanding handgun ammunition in country where you literally can't shoot it anywhere but a range? The logic behind most dealers.)
I really love the Chronograph. I enjoy the echos of the shots makes for a pleasant viewing
Thank you Paul and team. I appreciate the nearly comprehensive test, and realize that there are shortages going on, but such a test would have put things in perspective better had you been able to grab two different NATO 9mm FMJ examples (NATO packaging, etc.) to compare against what we are being sold. Edit: I do love the re-shoots to get better data on flyers.
I find nothing in Pauls videos boring or tedious. Keep up the great work Paul.
Good demo.
S&B, in my experiennce, has always been "stout" ammo. I use it for a couple of my hunting rifles.
CCI, who makes Blazer and also Speer, is known for consistent loadings, even in its rimfires. The Lawman series is one I have zero experience with.
Win. and Rem. in their "plain Jane" packaging are usually good choices, although Rem. suffered some setbacks.
I have used Fiocchi since the 1980s. It is adequate for everyday use.
Have never used Geco, or BBM.
One thing not included was price. If the store's shelf has all of them and they were all similarly priced I would likely pick Win. In the absence of choice, they all went bang and any would be better at the range than an empty bag.
I have also had very good results with Blazer Brass. Even shot a few IPSC matches with them. Thanks for the video. Great as always.
Please keep the data collection in! It makes everything honest!
You can read the crono in the video?
@@depqua7905 I guess he could be lying about that, but I doubt it.
@@depqua7905 That's a good idea. I mean to keep things honest, he could have two cameras and the one with chrono could be on a split screen format, but then that gets complicated and then we'd have to have Paul showing us opening the boxes, showing us the headstamp, loading the magazine and then shooting it all in one take to eliminate any conceivable subterfuge. Some people might demand that in our low trust, low honesty world we're living in; the Empire of Lies...
Legitimately the best gun channel. Informative, interesting and very entertaining.
You can hear the low report of that Geco , sounds like a reduced hand load !
GREAT VIDEO. I hand out your TH-cam like candy. I taught some and some days I felt everyone wanted a free instructor for the day. Then I found you on TH-cam. I actually get a range day now and then for myself. Thanks Paul.
I was literally just watching Paul Harrell videos and wondering when he was gonna post again. Lol
Me too!!!
He knew.
Love the chronograph! This is a great vid, Ty.
Thank you for testing S&B, here in Europe it's popular and available. Would be great to see how S&B 9x19 JHP performs in the meet target:) In the ranges I go it is forbidden to shoot things that are not poppers or paper target
I have a range where I go to and It has lots of old stoves and refrigerators. So much fun to shoot. Stay safe brother. (canada)
@@bobloblaw204 Thx, you too!
Please keep up this GREAT WORK - many of us are looking for data - driven information, and for those that are not🤷♂️
Earliest I have ever been, and I have been a subscriber since Paul had less than fourth thousand of us.
Thanks Mr. Harrell
With the ammo shortages, this is a really welcome topic.
I find the chrono section tedious but i don't mind at all that it's left in. Thanks for continuing to make good and educational videos.