@@SmugStick nothing much. Nothing much. I saw the android Goku what if. Is it possible for Goku to gain super saiyan god or blue despite being an android?
Manga Zamasu is better but i like the symbolism of anime Zamasu where he tried to wipe out the mortals because he saw them as barbarians and monsters and in the end he ends up becoming what he hates the most: a barbarian, a monster. Both his design and attitude reflect the change and it's honestly a very nice piece of writing.
My fav manga moment was roshi vs jiren. It showed that ultra instinct isnt simply a power up but a true mastery of martial arts plus the value of experience in battle. You can feel the love of dragon ball in each panel.
0:02 Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies came to existence after Akira Toriyama was rebuffed by the producers of Dragon Ball Evolution when he offered to help them, and it made him something beyond furious. The Dragon Ball franchise got revitalized with DBS and their movies DBS Broly and DBS Super Hero because of that.
It wasn't necessarily being rebuffed that made him mad, it was just how bad the movie ended up being after rejecting his offer for help, so he then helped with BoG.
Goku taking Roshi's coupon instead of the seal is so funny. It feels a lot more in line with OG Dragon Ball's humor than Goku simply forgetting because he's dumb.
Goku: *sees the Zamasu army* "I'm getting Cooler flashbacks here!" Zamasu: "We are legion, for we are many, and we are-!" Trunks: "A pain in the ass!" Vegeta: *smirks with pride*
There were also a few other things. I really like how SSJG was used in the manga. Particularly with how Vegeta used it in his fight against Zamasu. There are other little things like Goku’s personality being better in the manga as well too
(5:24) I wish this Future Trunks’ version was made into a couple of manga chapters, but Elder Kai was freed and helped Trunks unlock his Ultimate form. I think it would’ve been cool. (8:27) Agreed!
The Super Manga, especially compared to the anime, is a mixed bag. There's debatably better ideas like 17 training with Cell Jrs, or how Frieza outplayed Dyspo. However, it's also missing good scenes the anime had, including entire fights such as Goku vs Black and pretty much anything with Agnilasa. Having read/watched them both, I prefer the anime for giving us more content and roughly equal plot despite the time crunch.
To an extend I agree, especially with the TOP since it’s not great in the manga, though I’m also not a fan of it in the anime. I think Toyotaro’s voice for the characters feels better and that’s what sells me
Toyotaro, could you at least consider bringing Raditz and Nappa back for the battle against black frieza I think it would be cool to see the 4 original Saiyans defeat the person who destroyed the planet of the Saiyans
I definitely want to see a video of what the anime did better than the manga. Don't get me wrong, the manga definitely had some cool ideas, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't go well with me (most of it during the Goku Black Arc, my favorite arc in the anime), so I want to see what's your takes on the things the anime did better.
Really? I will say the Goku Black anime arc does have some nicer moments, but the manga version is just so clean with how it progresses, and honestly, Infinite Zamasu is much more intimidating than whatever the anime was doing with him becoming the universe, and Goku Black's power progression makes far more sense.
@@ProjektTaku Yeah, and the worst part of it all? I think that the anime makes more sense in some regards. For example, Goku Black's Zenkai makes no sense to me in the manga. In the anime, he fights Goku in the past and receives a Zenkai, gaining an power boost AND making Goku's body and Zamasu's soul become one (unlocking Black's divine power even in base). In the manga, they say Goku and Vegeta can't get Zenkais anymore... Except that Black, who has Goku's body, can? Another thing, and to me one of the most important changes, is Black's personality. In the anime, Black shows elegance and is always in control of the situation, and when he's not, he quickly tries to find the reason why, so he can turn the tides of the battle (like in his battle with Vegeta and the whole discovery of his Scythe). His demeanor was just so cool to me and you could see that he was more than just Zamasu, there was a hint of a Saiyan in him, a conflict between his personality and Saiyan instincts. In the manga, he's just Zamasu 2.0, getting angry just because the situation is not going in his favor. There is more stuff like Trunks actually feeling like the protagonist of his own story instead of a side character and that I feel like the corruption of his body felt like a clever way to give him a weakness in the form of a body that was, essentially, half-dead, plus having a very symbolic meaning behind it. Infinite Zamasu (Yes, the anime also uses this name, but for the cloud of Zamasus instead) merging with the fabric of space (thanks to his incorporeal form) seems more like a situation where Zeno has to delete everything, when in the manga he could just... Delete the Zamasus. That being said, you can like whatever you want and disagree with my take as much as you want, I just wanted to give you my notes on the reason why.
@@insecure8926 I will agree I prefer anime Black's elegance but his power set just get silly, summoning alternate versions of himself that can regenerate infinitely, and making a scythe because oh, grim reaper. I honestly think him separating is a much smarter way of giving him a weakness, and I feel manga Zeno delete all the timelines needlessly just makes him more terrifying. However I appreciate you explaining your reasoning.
Generally I agree that the DBS manga is better than the anime. The Only thing I’m 100% confident that was done better in the anime was the finale of the TOP with Goku & Freeza fighting Jiren (and Jiren’s fight with 17/Freeza and the resolve from Toppo)
Honestly, the GREATLY rushed schedule of releases for both the anime and manga really made biggest money-hungry stains on Dragonball as an IP to me personally. But man, the different takes on the arcs are genuinely great sometimes.
The reason for why is simple. The manga feels like it’s written like an actual story, where the anime feels like it was written like Episode of Bardock.
The truth is that although part of me mostly prefers anime, the manga always seemed to me to be an essential and very amazing part of everything that is Super in general and I will always feel grateful to have read along with the anime all this time
I read the manga after the anime, dear god. The differences are insane. One has what the other doesn't.... and it kinda hurts tbh. On the anime, we have SSB goku.... and Vegeta, that's weird. On the champa tournament, they DID mastered the form, thats why goku could stack up KK, up to the black saga SSB is solid, but it still bugs me how vegeta obtained it, but i can't say much since goku didn't used ssg until TOP On the manga, we have both with both forms, that's better... but when we get to champa, they "supposedly " mastered the form, but it still has downsides (heavy ones i must say)... really? On mastered? I get that the scaling this, scaling that, but at least keep it co sistent. The damage was already done since BoG. Another example, but this one is on your face... Anime goku black has character, but he's too broken (which i personally think that's better) On the manga, we have just another evil goku... but he's not THAT broken, and neither has power ups that are THAT high.
11:27 but they immediately follow it up with the dumbest line about Broly, Jiren, Moro, and Gas about keen disciplined martial artist or something along those lines.
I’d like to see that reverse too! I know there are flaws, but that’s the one I latched onto, since it premiered on TH-cam (with some dubious legality) and the games follow it, mostly! I personally like the slice-o-life scenes and even the straight up filler! Some cheesy, some sweet, all very nice additions to the story!
Eh, I still prefer the anime version of the Arcs we have gotten. And hope whenever the anime comes back they continue to do that. It leads to more interesting differences. The Black arc really grinds my gears Goku never fights his evil counterpart They try to give Zenkais a limit by explaining that they get worse as time goes on, expect A Vegeta wasn’t even that damaged and B Goku Black has an older body then actual Goku. The red to Blue switch never made sense too me. They explained in the universe 6 arc that the “Act” of turning Blue drains a ton of stamina which is why Vegeta got wrecked by Hit. He had lost like 90% by then. So why in the world is consistently turning the form on and off a good idea. I understand he made the stamina drain less in the time chamber but even if he’s losing only like 15% per change it does seem worth it just to reference Goku using Kaio Ken in the Sayian Saga. Instead of explaining Future Trunks Super Sayian Rage, they plain just don’t give him it at all so he gets sidelined in his own arc. Mastered SSB makes sense written down, but actually being drawn makes it confusing as the only visual difference is the lack of Aura. So now we have to question whether or not if a character is mastered blue or just doesn’t have an Aura at the moment. Plus I still have a hard time buying it was enough to fight a fusion. Also merged Zamasu having a time limit and somehow changing the way his regeneration abilities was lame compared to having his soul survive alone. For the T.O.P my main problem is that the other universes get treated with way less respect then anime ever did, at that point why even have them. The Superhero arc, was fine most of the major stuff happened before or after the movie, so besides making Krillin even more of a fool it didn’t do much wrong. So yes I would like to see what you think the anime did better.
I think Goku not fighting Black, while maybe disappointing, leads to more interesting fights than just a mirror match. Blacks body may be older but he also has a Kaioshin spirit and is adapting to Goku's body as time goes on. I don't remember it being the act, just that keeping it on for long periods of time quickly drains strength, so just flaring it for a hit is more effective. Rage was anime only, so them explaining it wouldn't make much sense. Plus he still gets the final hit on Zamasu pre his evolution. Mastered Blue is pretty much the default after a character acquires it, so there's no point in making it more distinct. Plus Zamasu was raging while Goku had perfect ki control, which is proven to affect the power of someone. Merged Zamasu's spirit surviving in the anime was super silly, he became a nothing character.
A few things: I largely disagree with goku black. I think the arc isnt great in either iteration, but its definetly better in the manga, and the anime did alot of it purely for coolness factor instead of what makes sense. Goku vs Goku black, while a matchup that wouldve been sick, also makes sense why it didnt happen. You wouldnt want goku fighting black because black is using gokus body. The 2 people who know how goku fights the best are goku and vegeta, and you wouldnt want the guy whos trying to learn how to most effectively use his body fighting the person who has the body, you want him fighting the person who knows all of gokus tricks, yet also doenst use the ones that black doesnt know yet. Rage, while a nice concept to bring trunks up to speed, doesnt make much sense at all. Its a rage boost on top of ssj2, yet its somehow not like the rage boosts weve seen before? Its an anime form, theres no reason to include it if theres no real concept to its existence. I agree with the zenkai boost limit though, that wasnt all too great, but zenkais are pretty broken so I understand that they dont want the "get beaten up, permenant boost, get healed, get beaten up, permenant boost, get healed" thing to come into play ever for goku and vegeta. For god and blue, I thought it was explained that it wasnt the act of switching to blue, but maintaining blue that makes it so energy draining, so vegeta coulnt maintain it. But there are a few different translations done by different teams. As for the lack of aura with mssb, I find it to be a pretty good difference and consistient with how mastered forms are drawn by toyoutaro. It shows how no energy is being wasted, its the form in its peak, all the power in it flowing well. But I do agree, it shouldnt rival a fusion at all. Its apparently a leap at least as big if not bigger from ssg to ssb, because the full power of ssb is only shown in the first instant its transformed, then it begins to drop down, till eventually it falls off too much in stats and is too hard to maintain. This also ties in to why the ssg->ssb was so effective, it only used the instant that ssb was at its strongest, the instant where it is powered up into, and dodnt stay in to form which would just be diminishing returns as it gets weaker as time goes on. So mssb makes sense that its way strobger than normal ssb because ssb falls off as time goes on while mssb is always in that "transformation power" state, but keeping up with a fusion is crazy. As for zamasus end, neither version makes much sense to me, but his soul surviving fits with how both souls are kai soul, yet the body is an immortal and a mortal one, so that didnt survive. The point of zamasu is that everything he does is contradictory, from his beliefs, his body, his plans, hes a paradox in ever sense of it, and the anime does that better for sure. TOP, I thinks its 50/50. I liked uis goku fighting kefla, but I like how gohan is shown to keep up with an ssj2/zerker fusion(even if individualky theyre far weaker than the u7 saiyans), because it shows how hard he trained before the top. His fights in the anime and small details added were great, showing how he also had empathy for fighters with families. Dyspo was def cooler in the anime. And yeah, the anime definitely did the other universes more justice in terms of fighters, while in the manga most were done it quicker. The manga did u7 better as it didnt feel as much like goku time but had a bit more of everyone, but the anime def did the other universes better if we ignore the gods of destruction fight, evry univers had at least one fighter who even if thy didnt do much, did something.
Its about time I came across a video like this. The DBS Manga doesn’t get the credit it TRULY deserves. Honestly if the anime ever comes back, I HOPE it does the manga justice. 💯
Roshis power level was so low that Jiren had to lower his own just to not kill him, that includes his speed so when roshi exceeded jirens estimated power level of Roshi then Roshi was able to outperform him briefly but Jiren didn't take damage. People get way too worked up about that and it makes 0 sense as to why because we literally have always had power adjusting lore in Dragonball.
Everyone knows that the DBS manga is better than the anime. In the anime MUI Goku gave the Multiverse's strongest THE BUSINESS while in the manga Jiren kept up with and almost surpassed MUI Goku. In the anime Zeno erased Zamasu. In the manga Goku used an imperfect HAKAI to halfway erase him!! Same storyline two slightly different outcomes😆🤏
Its all fun and games till Dragon Ball Daima comes in, a arc is made for the super manga, anime follows a different story and a new manga called Dragon Ball Super Daima follows its own story
I'd love to see you tackle OGDB and Z And do some Heroes contents damniiiiit :)))) especially now that it's been announced Toyo's finishing Victory Mission?!!
me personnaly the goku black arc in the manga was way better the anime version, 1 trunks does not get rage 2 vegeta used ssg and ssjb , and goku using perfected super sayain blue.
Here’s what I pick Battle of god: movie Resurrection F : movie. U6 arc: both tbh Tournament expo: manga. Gold black arc: manga ( bc they treated ssjg better and didn’t nerf vegito and did better with trunks story with the buu arc, also made ssjb badass. Top: anime. Even tho they made Goku achieving UI make sense and I’m happy they made Gohan fight Kefla. Superhero: manga but only by a little bit bc I didn’t like how they did the start of the fight of Goku vs Vegeta, and Gohan struggling with the beam against cell max
Smugstick I have a suggestion you know the video that you made what if caulifla was Goku’s sister I was wondering if you could make something similar to that like what if kale was Broly’s sister and what if cabba was Vegeta’s brother, I know Vegeta has a brother somewhere in the universe, but how Vegeta treats cabba I honestly think that it would be interesting
The manga does better in some parts; with utilising the supreme Kai better and making it clearer as to what’s happening but the anime has better character stuff. With Trunks and Gohan for example.
I'm still prefer the anime version more overall for offering a more complete and epic experience for the arcs with stake and slightly more thematic than the manga version of the 1st 4 arcs. I do find characterizations, even Goku's, more preferable than manga characterization as well.
I will never ever forgive the manga for not giving us a Goku vs Goku Black fight. What's even the point of having an evil Goku then? And don't even get me started on UI Roshi (But Toyo at least tried to explain UI, sadly he took the worst way possible).
It’s so weird how back when the anime was airing and people were hoping for the anime to return, they (not you) called the manga trash, only for the fanbase 2024 to show the manga some love for once XD
Don't get me wrong I like the manga but personally I go for the anime because the anime make the characters more powerful and more Epic first Ultra instinct in the anime it how he unlock it reminds me of the first time he got super saiyan not just that it was explained in the anime it wasn't just the Spirit Bomb Goku got it because of his willpower and slowly learning it over time before and also taking his mind body and soul to the absolute limit and breaking through it
And secondly at the end of the Future Trunks ARC zamasu in the manga we just saw copies of him but in the anime he literally became one with the timeline itself he became omnipresent always present at once and that is crazy
i always hated the DBS anime for being so utterly trash despite having a myriad of people working on it. started off rushed, and when they got in the groove to be making it good, they turned it into something i can't even describe... but alas the fanbase should have seen it coming when we had GT to show us the difference in quality between toriyama's work and toei's work. the manga version may not be perfect, but it did so much that the anime messed up badly. i mean look at the first arc, adapted well, introduced champa to segue into his tournament arc, gave SSG time to shine and be unique, the plot for the black arc was not a jumbled up mess and actually made sense timeline wise, the brief adaptation of future trunks vs babidi and dabura was fantastic, you could tell toyotaro is a fan. and as much as people hated on moro and granolah, i think those arcs showed that he was capable of writing a coherent storyline. Moro was a combination of what made all of toriyama's iconic villains great, and the granolah arc was a successful experiment of new storywriting beyond the scope of what dragonball ever touched, same goes for his interpretation of the zamasu arc. hell, even the DBS Superhero arc in the manga is superior to the movie in my opinion simply by including more backstory and trunks and goten. the biggest sadness with this manga is that he skipped the golden freeza arc and the broly movie, which we KNOW the script for that one was about 3 hours long and had to be cut down for cinema release, toei still keeps the original script away from fans and i doubt it'll ever see the light of day, so we'll never know what toriyama had written, which we know was primarily to do with the first half set in the past on planet vegeta. all in all i always felt the anime was an overglorified ad for toys and merch that clearly targeted children (if zenou in the ToP isn't what toei thinks DB fans are like then i'll sell both my kidneys) i was always willing to die on this hill and i don't care about being called a hater, i call out crap when i see it, and DBS was nothing more than DragonBullShit. forget about the animation being bad and forgive the poor animators who had to crunch like crazy for the higher ups' greed, but look at the writing... - absolutely no sense of powerscaling, SSB was overused and underutilized,. - they forgot SSG existed after the first arc, made the RoF arc, which was arguably toriyama's worst writing, somehow worse than the movie version. and you could see the poison start leaking when they ripped off piccolo's sacrifice with 0 buildup, 0 consequence, 0 emotion, just a scene to fill the 20 minute timeslot if you ask me. - illogically treated hit's timeskip as both a jump to the future and as Za Warudo at once (really, go watch that arc again and tell me it's consistent, i dare you) - SSB Kaioken was absolute BS, looked ugly, and although they had goku say it's too dangerous to ever use again (after illogically jumping to 10x from first use) they had him use it like it's nothing at 20x times in the ToP arc, and somehow forgot about it in the zamasu arc save for one scene where it made -1 sense... really? you just broke your arms winning a beam clash, somehow being stronger than trunks and vegeta combined (when vegeta was established to be loads stronger than goku at that point in the arc after the beatdown he gave black) and now you're using kaioken for a freaking kick combo? WHAT? - the potaefu filler arc was the worst and i am already committing a cardinal sin even remembering it exists or mention it. - goku black had nothing to do with zamasu personality wise the entire time, and when they fused it was like he disappeared... either make him the character he's supposed to be, or have him influence the fused version like goku's body supposedly influenced the zamasu inside it, pick a freaking lane! the ending was trash, vegito was shoehorned in for fake-ass hype and yeeted out with the absolute worst retcon imagineable. and don't get me started on the time travel shenanigans and how none of it made any sense no matter how you tried to crack it - the tournament of power literally had different writers cycling their role on different episodes, clearly did not bother reading each others' scripts to keep the story consistent, and the worst of all is the amount of beloved moments from DBZ that they plagiarized in that arc (looking at you, vegeta), longest freaking 48 minutes of my life. the only good things about that arc were ultra instinct, which they abused to the ground by having goku tap into it 3 separate times, then completely forgot how it functions (calm heart and no emotion) BY MAKING GOKU GET MAD IN THE CLIMAX OF THE FIGHT AND IT NOT BEING THE REASON HE LOST THE FORM A FEW SECONDS LATER. Jiren was literally just right click>new folder, nothing interesting, sasuke-head-aah backstory that was better off not being there. and i could go on and on with specifics. meanwhile toyotaro did his best and had toriyama's direct feedback on the writing, so really the manga was the closest we'd get to toriyama writing the full story. it wasn't perfect nor anything better than a 6.5/10 in my book, but at least it didn't make me feel like someone beat my favorite childhood show to an inch of its life and the murdered it in cold blood for freaking money in front of my eyes. but the worst of all? the fans, hating on the manga cause it's not animated or full of flashy colors. mfs can't read, and i doubt any will have read this comment lmao thanks for coming to my tedtalk, and if you think i'm capping or wrong, then you're mentally disabled, sorry not sorry
Thanks for watching everyone! Be sure to share with friends who like dragon ball! Tell me, have you read the DBS manga?
Hey smugstick it’s everyone
@@Gabriel-Crandall How do you do fellow smugstick
@@SmugStick nothing much. Nothing much.
I saw the android Goku what if. Is it possible for Goku to gain super saiyan god or blue despite being an android?
@@Gabriel-Crandall Mayhaps, but I'm taking a different route
@@SmugStick do whatever you want man.
Also what if idea:
What if Goku meets Spawn?
Manga Zamasu is better but i like the symbolism of anime Zamasu where he tried to wipe out the mortals because he saw them as barbarians and monsters and in the end he ends up becoming what he hates the most: a barbarian, a monster. Both his design and attitude reflect the change and it's honestly a very nice piece of writing.
I like the manga design more but I do agree with this
My fav manga moment was roshi vs jiren. It showed that ultra instinct isnt simply a power up but a true mastery of martial arts plus the value of experience in battle. You can feel the love of dragon ball in each panel.
This also really shows that Roshi isn’t just some old pervert but shows he’s still a skilled martial artist
I mean jiren was using 1% of his power because he was going to kill him 😂 but sure it's a nice merit
@@ajxx99871? if jiren really wanted to he could’ve punched roshi out of the ring in a split second
@@GeographyCool214 He'd have risked killing him
@@ajxx9987 true
0:02 Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies came to existence after Akira Toriyama was rebuffed by the producers of Dragon Ball Evolution when he offered to help them, and it made him something beyond furious.
The Dragon Ball franchise got revitalized with DBS and their movies DBS Broly and DBS Super Hero because of that.
It wasn't necessarily being rebuffed that made him mad, it was just how bad the movie ended up being after rejecting his offer for help, so he then helped with BoG.
Goku taking Roshi's coupon instead of the seal is so funny. It feels a lot more in line with OG Dragon Ball's humor than Goku simply forgetting because he's dumb.
EXACTLY
Its also more believable. Goku remembers to take the seal, but he's in such a rush that he accidentally picks the wrong one.
I like the manga artstyle ngl
It can be weird a few times but Toyotaro's been only getting better and better
The way he draws ultra instinct is sick
His manga volume covers are amazing. The one where Goku's family and Bardock's family are reflected in the water is my favorite.
Goku: *sees the Zamasu army* "I'm getting Cooler flashbacks here!"
Zamasu: "We are legion, for we are many, and we are-!"
Trunks: "A pain in the ass!"
Vegeta: *smirks with pride*
SSJG Vegeta VS Goku Black was awesome. 🔥
I didn't mention that nor SSJ Goku Black, but both are great moments
@@SmugStick Yeah, agreed. 👍
0:20 Xicor jumpscare
😭😭😭😭
What If was Xicor was canon could be an interesting what-if?
@@johnnygyro2295in a sense, goku black is a combination of the concepts of xicor and turles, an evil goku, who has the blood of a kai.
@rednaxela5960
Oh, I know. I meant a What-If about Xicor being literally "canon." How would that go down?
Finally someone do DBS Manga justice, this need to be heard out.
The agenda MUST be pushed!
True
The Goku Black manga arc was the peak of Dragon Ball Super for me outside of the intro of the Moro Arc
There were also a few other things. I really like how SSJG was used in the manga. Particularly with how Vegeta used it in his fight against Zamasu.
There are other little things like Goku’s personality being better in the manga as well too
(5:24) I wish this Future Trunks’ version was made into a couple of manga chapters, but Elder Kai was freed and helped Trunks unlock his Ultimate form. I think it would’ve been cool.
(8:27) Agreed!
It is still incredibly depressing that Toriyama-Sama has passed away
He is in all of our hearts
The Super Manga, especially compared to the anime, is a mixed bag. There's debatably better ideas like 17 training with Cell Jrs, or how Frieza outplayed Dyspo. However, it's also missing good scenes the anime had, including entire fights such as Goku vs Black and pretty much anything with Agnilasa. Having read/watched them both, I prefer the anime for giving us more content and roughly equal plot despite the time crunch.
To an extend I agree, especially with the TOP since it’s not great in the manga, though I’m also not a fan of it in the anime. I think Toyotaro’s voice for the characters feels better and that’s what sells me
Toyotaro, could you at least consider bringing Raditz and Nappa back for the battle against black frieza I think it would be cool to see the 4 original Saiyans defeat the person who destroyed the planet of the Saiyans
I only read the DBS manga once the anime was done.
Yup, seems thats the case for most people. Glad more are reading!
SmugStick, nice video bro
I didn't remember Kibito being a potential opp
Shin does say that he could kill Frieza easily, I imagine Kibito isn’t super far behind
I definitely want to see a video of what the anime did better than the manga. Don't get me wrong, the manga definitely had some cool ideas, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't go well with me (most of it during the Goku Black Arc, my favorite arc in the anime), so I want to see what's your takes on the things the anime did better.
Really? I will say the Goku Black anime arc does have some nicer moments, but the manga version is just so clean with how it progresses, and honestly, Infinite Zamasu is much more intimidating than whatever the anime was doing with him becoming the universe, and Goku Black's power progression makes far more sense.
@@ProjektTaku Yeah, and the worst part of it all? I think that the anime makes more sense in some regards.
For example, Goku Black's Zenkai makes no sense to me in the manga. In the anime, he fights Goku in the past and receives a Zenkai, gaining an power boost AND making Goku's body and Zamasu's soul become one (unlocking Black's divine power even in base). In the manga, they say Goku and Vegeta can't get Zenkais anymore... Except that Black, who has Goku's body, can?
Another thing, and to me one of the most important changes, is Black's personality. In the anime, Black shows elegance and is always in control of the situation, and when he's not, he quickly tries to find the reason why, so he can turn the tides of the battle (like in his battle with Vegeta and the whole discovery of his Scythe). His demeanor was just so cool to me and you could see that he was more than just Zamasu, there was a hint of a Saiyan in him, a conflict between his personality and Saiyan instincts. In the manga, he's just Zamasu 2.0, getting angry just because the situation is not going in his favor.
There is more stuff like Trunks actually feeling like the protagonist of his own story instead of a side character and that I feel like the corruption of his body felt like a clever way to give him a weakness in the form of a body that was, essentially, half-dead, plus having a very symbolic meaning behind it. Infinite Zamasu (Yes, the anime also uses this name, but for the cloud of Zamasus instead) merging with the fabric of space (thanks to his incorporeal form) seems more like a situation where Zeno has to delete everything, when in the manga he could just... Delete the Zamasus.
That being said, you can like whatever you want and disagree with my take as much as you want, I just wanted to give you my notes on the reason why.
@@insecure8926 I will agree I prefer anime Black's elegance but his power set just get silly, summoning alternate versions of himself that can regenerate infinitely, and making a scythe because oh, grim reaper.
I honestly think him separating is a much smarter way of giving him a weakness, and I feel manga Zeno delete all the timelines needlessly just makes him more terrifying.
However I appreciate you explaining your reasoning.
SmugStick, awesome video keep up the amazing work
SmugStick, cool content keep it up
Generally I agree that the DBS manga is better than the anime. The Only thing I’m 100% confident that was done better in the anime was the finale of the TOP with Goku & Freeza fighting Jiren (and Jiren’s fight with 17/Freeza and the resolve from Toppo)
I agree for sure, the last rush is so great
SmugStick, great content keep up the amazing content
Great video!
Thanks very much!
Just saying in my opinion the way Goku unlocked the ultra instinct forms was better in the anime
Beautiful pause 😂
LMAO
this video changed my life, truly cinema.
Your most legendary video yet
Thank you brother!
This video was nicely done, definitely did DBS justice with this one ⚖️
Honestly, the GREATLY rushed schedule of releases for both the anime and manga really made biggest money-hungry stains on Dragonball as an IP to me personally.
But man, the different takes on the arcs are genuinely great sometimes.
Amazing video!! Less cooks but worse pacing beecausemonthly just doesn't fit lol
Awesome and informative video!
Glad you liked it!!
i wish the universe 7 spirit bomb was made in the manga imagine that
The reason for why is simple. The manga feels like it’s written like an actual story, where the anime feels like it was written like Episode of Bardock.
The anime had 5 writers
The truth is that although part of me mostly prefers anime, the manga always seemed to me to be an essential and very amazing part of everything that is Super in general and I will always feel grateful to have read along with the anime all this time
I read the manga after the anime, dear god. The differences are insane. One has what the other doesn't.... and it kinda hurts tbh.
On the anime, we have SSB goku.... and Vegeta, that's weird. On the champa tournament, they DID mastered the form, thats why goku could stack up KK, up to the black saga SSB is solid, but it still bugs me how vegeta obtained it, but i can't say much since goku didn't used ssg until TOP
On the manga, we have both with both forms, that's better... but when we get to champa, they "supposedly " mastered the form, but it still has downsides (heavy ones i must say)... really? On mastered? I get that the scaling this, scaling that, but at least keep it co sistent. The damage was already done since BoG.
Another example, but this one is on your face...
Anime goku black has character, but he's too broken (which i personally think that's better)
On the manga, we have just another evil goku... but he's not THAT broken, and neither has power ups that are THAT high.
11:27 but they immediately follow it up with the dumbest line about Broly, Jiren, Moro, and Gas about keen disciplined martial artist or something along those lines.
Damn, you put that pin right through Oatmeel.
I’d like to see that reverse too! I know there are flaws, but that’s the one I latched onto, since it premiered on TH-cam (with some dubious legality) and the games follow it, mostly!
I personally like the slice-o-life scenes and even the straight up filler! Some cheesy, some sweet, all very nice additions to the story!
I def agree that the super anime shines in the smaller moments like that
Eh, I still prefer the anime version of the Arcs we have gotten. And hope whenever the anime comes back they continue to do that. It leads to more interesting differences.
The Black arc really grinds my gears
Goku never fights his evil counterpart
They try to give Zenkais a limit by explaining that they get worse as time goes on, expect A Vegeta wasn’t even that damaged and B Goku Black has an older body then actual Goku.
The red to Blue switch never made sense too me. They explained in the universe 6 arc that the “Act” of turning Blue drains a ton of stamina which is why Vegeta got wrecked by Hit. He had lost like 90% by then. So why in the world is consistently turning the form on and off a good idea. I understand he made the stamina drain less in the time chamber but even if he’s losing only like 15% per change it does seem worth it just to reference Goku using Kaio Ken in the Sayian Saga.
Instead of explaining Future Trunks Super Sayian Rage, they plain just don’t give him it at all so he gets sidelined in his own arc.
Mastered SSB makes sense written down, but actually being drawn makes it confusing as the only visual difference is the lack of Aura. So now we have to question whether or not if a character is mastered blue or just doesn’t have an Aura at the moment. Plus I still have a hard time buying it was enough to fight a fusion.
Also merged Zamasu having a time limit and somehow changing the way his regeneration abilities was lame compared to having his soul survive alone.
For the T.O.P my main problem is that the other universes get treated with way less respect then anime ever did, at that point why even have them.
The Superhero arc, was fine most of the major stuff happened before or after the movie, so besides making Krillin even more of a fool it didn’t do much wrong.
So yes I would like to see what you think the anime did better.
I think Goku not fighting Black, while maybe disappointing, leads to more interesting fights than just a mirror match.
Blacks body may be older but he also has a Kaioshin spirit and is adapting to Goku's body as time goes on.
I don't remember it being the act, just that keeping it on for long periods of time quickly drains strength, so just flaring it for a hit is more effective.
Rage was anime only, so them explaining it wouldn't make much sense. Plus he still gets the final hit on Zamasu pre his evolution.
Mastered Blue is pretty much the default after a character acquires it, so there's no point in making it more distinct. Plus Zamasu was raging while Goku had perfect ki control, which is proven to affect the power of someone.
Merged Zamasu's spirit surviving in the anime was super silly, he became a nothing character.
A few things: I largely disagree with goku black. I think the arc isnt great in either iteration, but its definetly better in the manga, and the anime did alot of it purely for coolness factor instead of what makes sense. Goku vs Goku black, while a matchup that wouldve been sick, also makes sense why it didnt happen. You wouldnt want goku fighting black because black is using gokus body. The 2 people who know how goku fights the best are goku and vegeta, and you wouldnt want the guy whos trying to learn how to most effectively use his body fighting the person who has the body, you want him fighting the person who knows all of gokus tricks, yet also doenst use the ones that black doesnt know yet. Rage, while a nice concept to bring trunks up to speed, doesnt make much sense at all. Its a rage boost on top of ssj2, yet its somehow not like the rage boosts weve seen before? Its an anime form, theres no reason to include it if theres no real concept to its existence. I agree with the zenkai boost limit though, that wasnt all too great, but zenkais are pretty broken so I understand that they dont want the "get beaten up, permenant boost, get healed, get beaten up, permenant boost, get healed" thing to come into play ever for goku and vegeta. For god and blue, I thought it was explained that it wasnt the act of switching to blue, but maintaining blue that makes it so energy draining, so vegeta coulnt maintain it. But there are a few different translations done by different teams. As for the lack of aura with mssb, I find it to be a pretty good difference and consistient with how mastered forms are drawn by toyoutaro. It shows how no energy is being wasted, its the form in its peak, all the power in it flowing well. But I do agree, it shouldnt rival a fusion at all. Its apparently a leap at least as big if not bigger from ssg to ssb, because the full power of ssb is only shown in the first instant its transformed, then it begins to drop down, till eventually it falls off too much in stats and is too hard to maintain. This also ties in to why the ssg->ssb was so effective, it only used the instant that ssb was at its strongest, the instant where it is powered up into, and dodnt stay in to form which would just be diminishing returns as it gets weaker as time goes on. So mssb makes sense that its way strobger than normal ssb because ssb falls off as time goes on while mssb is always in that "transformation power" state, but keeping up with a fusion is crazy. As for zamasus end, neither version makes much sense to me, but his soul surviving fits with how both souls are kai soul, yet the body is an immortal and a mortal one, so that didnt survive. The point of zamasu is that everything he does is contradictory, from his beliefs, his body, his plans, hes a paradox in ever sense of it, and the anime does that better for sure. TOP, I thinks its 50/50. I liked uis goku fighting kefla, but I like how gohan is shown to keep up with an ssj2/zerker fusion(even if individualky theyre far weaker than the u7 saiyans), because it shows how hard he trained before the top. His fights in the anime and small details added were great, showing how he also had empathy for fighters with families. Dyspo was def cooler in the anime. And yeah, the anime definitely did the other universes more justice in terms of fighters, while in the manga most were done it quicker. The manga did u7 better as it didnt feel as much like goku time but had a bit more of everyone, but the anime def did the other universes better if we ignore the gods of destruction fight, evry univers had at least one fighter who even if thy didnt do much, did something.
I’m hoping DBS continues is loved my many
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Thank you brother
Its about time I came across a video like this. The DBS Manga doesn’t get the credit it TRULY deserves. Honestly if the anime ever comes back, I HOPE it does the manga justice. 💯
Roshis power level was so low that Jiren had to lower his own just to not kill him, that includes his speed so when roshi exceeded jirens estimated power level of Roshi then Roshi was able to outperform him briefly but Jiren didn't take damage. People get way too worked up about that and it makes 0 sense as to why because we literally have always had power adjusting lore in Dragonball.
Me personally id like to see gohan train goten and trunks if the dbs manga ever continues
Everyone knows that the DBS manga is better than the anime. In the anime MUI Goku gave the Multiverse's strongest THE BUSINESS while in the manga Jiren kept up with and almost surpassed MUI Goku. In the anime Zeno erased Zamasu. In the manga Goku used an imperfect HAKAI to halfway erase him!! Same storyline two slightly different outcomes😆🤏
I like dragon ball
Correction, I love dragon ball
The Moro Arc HAS to go into animation! Far better than the DB Daima kid junk
Its all fun and games till Dragon Ball Daima comes in, a arc is made for the super manga, anime follows a different story and a new manga called Dragon Ball Super Daima follows its own story
I'd love to see you tackle OGDB and Z
And do some Heroes contents damniiiiit :)))) especially now that it's been announced Toyo's finishing Victory Mission?!!
me personnaly the goku black arc in the manga was way better the anime version, 1 trunks does not get rage 2 vegeta used ssg and ssjb , and goku using perfected super sayain blue.
Now do the opposite: When the Dragon Ball Super Anime is BETTER Than the Manga
Almost never happens,but there are some gems
@@gabrielmachado1247 just another manga only reader, the same ones that crave for the anime to be back
Yeah if people enjoy this video then I definitely want to tackle that idea in the future
Here’s what I pick Battle of god: movie Resurrection F : movie. U6 arc: both tbh Tournament expo: manga. Gold black arc: manga ( bc they treated ssjg better and didn’t nerf vegito and did better with trunks story with the buu arc, also made ssjb badass. Top: anime. Even tho they made Goku achieving UI make sense and I’m happy they made Gohan fight Kefla. Superhero: manga but only by a little bit bc I didn’t like how they did the start of the fight of Goku vs Vegeta, and Gohan struggling with the beam against cell max
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Smugstick I have a suggestion you know the video that you made what if caulifla was Goku’s sister I was wondering if you could make something similar to that like what if kale was Broly’s sister and what if cabba was Vegeta’s brother, I know Vegeta has a brother somewhere in the universe, but how Vegeta treats cabba I honestly think that it would be interesting
They should do an audiobook of DBS and have Kyle Hubert narrate
12:46 was that a jojos reference?!!
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The manga does better in some parts; with utilising the supreme Kai better and making it clearer as to what’s happening but the anime has better character stuff. With Trunks and Gohan for example.
7:10 cay someone explain me in details
I'm still prefer the anime version more overall for offering a more complete and epic experience for the arcs with stake and slightly more thematic than the manga version of the 1st 4 arcs. I do find characterizations, even Goku's, more preferable than manga characterization as well.
I hope the manga gets an official animated adaptation in the future.
I sorta doubt it currently but it would be interesting to see
if we get 2 more arcs/sagas
bro posted it the day Toyotaro confirmed the manga is coming back soon
I gotta give it a third read through
You should!!
@@SmugStick Right after I finish my 4th run of Dragon Ball manga
12:46 Next you'll say "Is that a JoJo Reference?" right?
12:45 hold on dragon ball is a jojo reference 😭
Uni 6 Sadala Arc please
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I will never ever forgive the manga for not giving us a Goku vs Goku Black fight. What's even the point of having an evil Goku then? And don't even get me started on UI Roshi (But Toyo at least tried to explain UI, sadly he took the worst way possible).
9:48 and it should have been this fight it was SOOOOO much better
Tbh anime Kefla absolutely destroys gohan easily,and we wouldn't have gotten that awesome slide Kamehameha
@@JC_616 I do agree, the kamehameha slide makes the anime fight worth it for me
@@SmugStick yea same here
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As much as I don’t like U.I Gokou, I got admit, he is an absolute beast.
That’s honestly a shame that they decide to cut the destroyers fighting against one another from the anime.🐱
It’s so weird how back when the anime was airing and people were hoping for the anime to return, they (not you) called the manga trash, only for the fanbase 2024 to show the manga some love for once XD
There’s stuff to love in both sides! I just wish it all had more planing
now i wonder how many small or big differenece between the english and japanese manga if there are any
I've always perfer the Manga's take on Zamasu where he splits into multiple versions of himself instead of him becoming faces in the sky.
Kale in the manga was pretty cool
Yo, you're like the one other person who remembers the Infinite World credits song
Thanks for respecting Akira Toriyama work.
The anime just made sequel for the OG canon... The TFS version..... PECKING ORDER
I still can't get over how incomplete the manga feels. Why mention the events of the Broly movie if you don't cover it in the manga?
Never really been a fan of manga but honestly I might just try the DBS manga from the start. The anime just messes up too many things for me. 😮
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I have bought most of the Super Manga, I’m loving the Manga more than the anime, but anime is good
Yup. I prefer the manga to the anime in a lot of ways.
Don't get me wrong I like the manga but personally I go for the anime because the anime make the characters more powerful and more Epic first Ultra instinct in the anime it how he unlock it reminds me of the first time he got super saiyan not just that it was explained in the anime it wasn't just the Spirit Bomb Goku got it because of his willpower and slowly learning it over time before and also taking his mind body and soul to the absolute limit and breaking through it
And secondly at the end of the Future Trunks ARC zamasu in the manga we just saw copies of him but in the anime he literally became one with the timeline itself he became omnipresent always present at once and that is crazy
But what is his name
I miss super 😢
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i always hated the DBS anime for being so utterly trash despite having a myriad of people working on it. started off rushed, and when they got in the groove to be making it good, they turned it into something i can't even describe... but alas the fanbase should have seen it coming when we had GT to show us the difference in quality between toriyama's work and toei's work.
the manga version may not be perfect, but it did so much that the anime messed up badly. i mean look at the first arc, adapted well, introduced champa to segue into his tournament arc, gave SSG time to shine and be unique, the plot for the black arc was not a jumbled up mess and actually made sense timeline wise, the brief adaptation of future trunks vs babidi and dabura was fantastic, you could tell toyotaro is a fan. and as much as people hated on moro and granolah, i think those arcs showed that he was capable of writing a coherent storyline. Moro was a combination of what made all of toriyama's iconic villains great, and the granolah arc was a successful experiment of new storywriting beyond the scope of what dragonball ever touched, same goes for his interpretation of the zamasu arc. hell, even the DBS Superhero arc in the manga is superior to the movie in my opinion simply by including more backstory and trunks and goten. the biggest sadness with this manga is that he skipped the golden freeza arc and the broly movie, which we KNOW the script for that one was about 3 hours long and had to be cut down for cinema release, toei still keeps the original script away from fans and i doubt it'll ever see the light of day, so we'll never know what toriyama had written, which we know was primarily to do with the first half set in the past on planet vegeta.
all in all i always felt the anime was an overglorified ad for toys and merch that clearly targeted children (if zenou in the ToP isn't what toei thinks DB fans are like then i'll sell both my kidneys)
i was always willing to die on this hill and i don't care about being called a hater, i call out crap when i see it, and DBS was nothing more than DragonBullShit. forget about the animation being bad and forgive the poor animators who had to crunch like crazy for the higher ups' greed, but look at the writing...
- absolutely no sense of powerscaling, SSB was overused and underutilized,.
- they forgot SSG existed after the first arc, made the RoF arc, which was arguably toriyama's worst writing, somehow worse than the movie version. and you could see the poison start leaking when they ripped off piccolo's sacrifice with 0 buildup, 0 consequence, 0 emotion, just a scene to fill the 20 minute timeslot if you ask me.
- illogically treated hit's timeskip as both a jump to the future and as Za Warudo at once (really, go watch that arc again and tell me it's consistent, i dare you)
- SSB Kaioken was absolute BS, looked ugly, and although they had goku say it's too dangerous to ever use again (after illogically jumping to 10x from first use) they had him use it like it's nothing at 20x times in the ToP arc, and somehow forgot about it in the zamasu arc save for one scene where it made -1 sense... really? you just broke your arms winning a beam clash, somehow being stronger than trunks and vegeta combined (when vegeta was established to be loads stronger than goku at that point in the arc after the beatdown he gave black) and now you're using kaioken for a freaking kick combo? WHAT?
- the potaefu filler arc was the worst and i am already committing a cardinal sin even remembering it exists or mention it.
- goku black had nothing to do with zamasu personality wise the entire time, and when they fused it was like he disappeared... either make him the character he's supposed to be, or have him influence the fused version like goku's body supposedly influenced the zamasu inside it, pick a freaking lane! the ending was trash, vegito was shoehorned in for fake-ass hype and yeeted out with the absolute worst retcon imagineable. and don't get me started on the time travel shenanigans and how none of it made any sense no matter how you tried to crack it
- the tournament of power literally had different writers cycling their role on different episodes, clearly did not bother reading each others' scripts to keep the story consistent, and the worst of all is the amount of beloved moments from DBZ that they plagiarized in that arc (looking at you, vegeta), longest freaking 48 minutes of my life. the only good things about that arc were ultra instinct, which they abused to the ground by having goku tap into it 3 separate times, then completely forgot how it functions (calm heart and no emotion) BY MAKING GOKU GET MAD IN THE CLIMAX OF THE FIGHT AND IT NOT BEING THE REASON HE LOST THE FORM A FEW SECONDS LATER. Jiren was literally just right click>new folder, nothing interesting, sasuke-head-aah backstory that was better off not being there.
and i could go on and on with specifics.
meanwhile toyotaro did his best and had toriyama's direct feedback on the writing, so really the manga was the closest we'd get to toriyama writing the full story. it wasn't perfect nor anything better than a 6.5/10 in my book, but at least it didn't make me feel like someone beat my favorite childhood show to an inch of its life and the murdered it in cold blood for freaking money in front of my eyes.
but the worst of all? the fans, hating on the manga cause it's not animated or full of flashy colors. mfs can't read, and i doubt any will have read this comment lmao
thanks for coming to my tedtalk, and if you think i'm capping or wrong, then you're mentally disabled, sorry not sorry
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7:05 now that's funny
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Isn't toriyama dead😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Why do you try to imitate the mannerisms of an anime kid
Do i have too watch DBS anime ??
I only watch God and broly Movie , Tournament of power .
It’s more “complete” than the manga, but if you want you could watch battle of gods, res F, then read the manga, and watch broly
The manga actually cares about continuity and explaining things while the anime at best gives us poor explanations
The ending of the Black arc is still terrible in the manga though.
I just wish *_they sometimes told vaguely the same story sometimes....._*
It is
I would but u have to pay to read em