I have the rise h15 with the float x with max volume spacer. I'm 85 kg and love a plush shock, currently running 180psi around 30 percent sag, the ramp up on the float x with the big spacer is perfect for me but it's still really supple on the initial stroke. Also put a 160mm performance elite fork and a shorter stem, it's just about where I want it now. I'd say I lean towards aggressive trail riding so it does everything I want it too. The upgrades made a notable difference.
I love my H15, when the suspension is up for a service I’ll up the travel to 160 on the 36 factory fork. The shock is the float x factory and it soaks everything up. It’s such a lively bike to ride, great job Orbea.
Yup! I love my h15. Had them shop bump to 160 and put on 4 pot brakes before I even took delivery! 203 rotors front and rear and I use my ripmo wheel/tire set.
Yeah, interesting that the H15 has what I would argue is the better shock. Also, as I understand it, the carbon frame version is only 2 Kg lighter than the Alu version, so the value is there in terms of "bang for the buck".
I’m 6’-1/2” with 36” inseam and went with an XL H15. Overall fits great but I’m also not riding super technical trails. Mine came with a 170 mm dropper and I was surprised to find it a bit long. Seat tube must be long. With the seat post all the way in I have to lower the dropper about 20mm. Just ordered a PNW Loam 150 for it. (They’re 25% off right now)
@@ZR2AL I finally did get an xl and it fits great! but I also cannot raise the seat all the way up. I would love to cut a little off of the frame and then the 170 slammed might be just right. I also can barely reach the ground with the seat slammed all the way down which would be nice.
They're both Rises. Do you mean this verse it's carbon counterpart? We'd likely pick this one for its larger battery and some of our crew prefer the way the alloy rides on the trail.
@@TheLoamWolf Hi, thanks for you reply, sorry yes your right!! Looking at so many reviews my head is melted. Would you know the weights approximately of both bikes?
@@TheLoamWolf Thats a great help as it’s hard to find out that info. Do you think the H10 is a well specked bike or is there any negatives? My mind is between the M10 or the H10?? Any input would be appreciated as when it comes to choosing a bike it’s an absolute mine field! Thanks
From a spec standpoint they are nearly identical. The 2 main differences are the rear shock spec and XT on the H series, verse XTR on the M series, which are both great options. We do highly recommend upgrading to a 36 fork in Orbeas MyO program. That said, factory suspension isn't necessarily a must have as the performance spec is super solid. I'd likely lean toward the H15.
I went with the h15 and love it. It comes with the fox x reservoir shock and the orbea shop I bought it from put a 160 air spring in the 36. So it’s now a 160/140 bike. I then put on 203 front and rear rotor adapters and my ripmo wheel/tire set!
Hey, great video thanks ! I have two questions : Is the cost savings on the alloy version worth the additional 2-4 kg of weight (depending if H30, H20 or H10 version) when riding downhill? Does the alloy version experience the same rear triangle cracking issues as the carbon version?
It is a freak'n Rocketship for us XC bombers who love the zip and flail. Suspension upgrades NOT needed. Yes wheel upgrade as some point. Yes shorter crankarms asap (hey, it has a motor, less personal torque needed.) XT all the way! Other bikes, other brands, other ebikes in particular, ride like overloaded tugboats in heavy weather conditions. Ya hearing me?
I found this review really helpful….thank you! I had pondered this sort of bike as an option rather then the Levo Expert I have ordered. But where I ride with very long and steep forestry road climbs followed by some pretty janky sections with rocky corners and root fest descents , I think the Rise would be a little under gunned based on your descriptions. Ditto for the new Trek Fuel lightweight ebike I think. One of each type (full fat and a lightweight) would be perfect 😏🤔. Though I suspect “she who knows best and must be obeyed” might not agree.
It's the perfect bike for so many riders. An absolutely HUGE percentage of MTB riders does not live next to Whistler, and mellow terrain does not need a 63HTA fox 38 equipped bike. I do agree on the shock. I upgraded mine to a DVO Topaz since I don't like the DPS on any bike.
I have the h15 with the piggy back on rear shock and love it my first ebike .. at 52 years young.... as you have described my type of riding in this video to confirm i made the right choice (never ridden a full fat ebike).... one point for me been in the UK where speed is limited to 15.5 mph (25kph) ... when I am above that assist level I definitely would not want a heavier bike than this ... fantastic video keep up the great work 👍
I own an H30 since January . Its my first FS ebike (was on a hardtail for 2 years) and its a great bike for me . Im an intermediate rider and i love my blues ! I went from the e8000 motor to the ep8 RS and im quite happy with the power . Overall a great bike!
I am one of the many who went w/ a long shock and a ton of upgrades. Fox Factory fixins w/ a DHX2 rear, Fox 38 160 up front. XT 4pots w/ MDR-P Rotors 220/203, RF Next-R Bars/ Turbine-R stem, Specialized Power Pro saddle, 210mm oneup dropper, SRAM X01 Drivetrain, XT 160mm Cranks, SC Reserve 30's wheels w/ hydra hubs and Scwalbe Magic Mary (f)/Eddy Current (r) 29x2.6 super gravity casing tires.
I have a H10 and mine it's with fox 34 140mm. But unfortunately the bike it's almost all the time in the orbea garage: some cracking noise from linkage-it's how I was discovered the bike was without grease🙄, after the bizzare noise from bracelet and now from motor 😢 I was bought the bike in March and now the summer pass and I stay without the bike!!! The orbea answer me if I have more problems it's from shimano part not from them🙃
I’ve had an M20 for 18 months in Bentonville and it’s perfect for nearly everything we have. I’m a big fan of the light weight ebikes and for those with even a bit of fitness you’ll find it’s plenty of power.
Hey Ryan, Are you a native of Bentonville? The reason I ask is, I'm a native Californian, and considering moving to Bentonville. But the Humid weather and hotter temps than where I live in Brentwood, CA make me wonder....What are your thoughts due to my weather concerns?
I almost bought one. I was going to put a 170mm 38, float x2 with longer stroke. I think it's around 162 mm rear travel after you put a 27.5 wheel in the rear. The bottom bracket will be at original height when done. After looking at money invested into that project, I just bought a gen 3 levo. Anyway look up mtb Mike, he did that to his rise.
Good review but am I right about the motor. Re:you buy an SL style MTB and are left lugging around the same motor weight and dimensions size as a full power MTB but detuned ?🤔
I was tempted to go full fat shuttle embt, but i think keeping that side as a manual and to have a trail embt for local laughs is the way to go. Depends on your local terrain i guess, i have to travel quite far to find big features.
I bought an Orbea Rise M10 with the Vault hub. After 8mths and limited rides I was getting a loud pinging noise from the rear hub. On inspection I found that the teeth on the Vault hub were rounded along with the pawls. Clearly the hub is not fit for purpose on an ebike and I do not understand why Orbea are fitting standard mtb components on ebikes!!! The loads incurred on an ebike rear hub are massive compared to that of a conventional bike. So at considerable expense (£450) I have changed out my rear hub to DT Swiss who actually make ebike compatible hubs.
I don't quite see the point if this type of bike. It's not that much of a difference from full power ebikes. This alu Rise weight aprox 5.5 kg less than my alu Wild fs, and much of that weight must sit in my larger battery and to some degree beefier components. If I downgraded forks and put in a smaller battery, the difference would probably be a couple of kg, and we must ask ourselves how much of a difference that really makes. A lot have to be placebo and of course the difference in geometry that makes any bike unique. I've no doubly that what makes a Rise playful is due to the trail focus as opposed to enduro/all mountain focus of the Wild. I think lapierre with the fazua is on the right track with the e zesty that has a removable motor and battery, but the unit is too small/weak. It only offers a 3 kg weight loss, and that seems small compared to the loss of the motor. I would have liked a removable motor and battery with full power, to give me the option of either full power ebiking or a light normal bike. No half measures in between. Anyone else agree on this, or is it just me?
Would you recommend this bike in enduro style terrain type Squamish BC (not talking about Whistler Bike Park)? I live in Squamish and am interested in ebike for whenever I'd go riding in California that has tons of never ending access roads before reaching out the trails but would like to use this ebike around where I live from time to time as well. (I already have a standard enduro bike). Asking the question as I am not extra interested in the much more bulkier and heavier full fat ebikes.
Question. I just bought a Gen 3 Levo. After 341 miles the chain broke. I decided to replace it and the new chain won't mate with the cassette because it's so worn after so few miles. I had to get a new chain and a new sram eagle cassette that cost me nearly 300 bucks. When the hell is Shimano Link Glide gonna actually be available? Drivetrains for ebikes simply suck. Now I'm looking at getting rid of Eagle and going back to 11 speed or something so I can actually afford to replace the stuff when it prematurely wears out.
Still debating if I want to buy the lower end Rise, add a bigger 160 fork, swap out the shock for a 150 with a reservoir or just go with the full power YT Decoy
Enjoy the review. H series are a great choice and price point . I have the Rise with a DHX2 coil and love it. What are your thoughts about running a coil🤔
The H series bikes use an alloy frame, and at the time of filming featured a large 540wh battery. The M series bikes utilize a carbon frame and come standard with a smaller 3xx wh battery. Orbea has sinced updated the Rises, specifically the Carbon models and now allow the customer to upgrade to the larger battery. As for the number denominations, those just signify the build level. Lower numbers have a better spec and higher price, with the lower number being a more entry level spec.
@theloamwolf Any chatter from the motor? The ep8 was commonly known to have chatter while descending or going over rough terrain, but not sure if it's still an issue with the ep801?
801 drive units are a bit quieter, as for now, it seems nobody has a dead silent motor, but it is an improvement for sure. What we'd say is that different frame's acoustics are as much a cause of examination as the drive unit! we've had Bosch's be louder in some frames than Shimano's in others and vice-versa.
Thanks for the review. I have an M20, and I love it. I upgraded the tires and added inserts. I also had to upgrade my brakes. I went to Shimano Saint's. Now it corners just fine. 😎 I am right around the same weight, and I use all the travel in the shock even with a volume reducer. Thanks again looks like it's going to be the year of the light eMTB.
For roughly the same price, which is the way to go? Carbon frame to save weight (but lower spec), or Aluminum frame to get upgrade on components (but heavier)? I’m thinking the weight difference is mostly contributed to the larger battery rather than the frame material (but that also increases range). And finally, Orbea Rise or Trek Fuel EX-e???
I’d go alloy purely for battery, and savings! Now, regarding the trek vs Rise. Gonna have to wait til we get more time. The trek probably rides a bit better but the range with 360 and no available extenders yet is an issue for sure.
Thank you very much! Really appreciate the compliment. As of right now, we'd probably lean towards the Trek but still got a ways to go andddd, who knows what could be coming down the pipe soon.
Surprised you got Galfer rotors! My H15 came with downgraded Tourney rotors which was annoying. That said, I love my H15 but it went on a serious upgrade. Put on SRAM GX AXS, Code RSC brakes with HS2 rotors and Reserve 30|SL carbon wheels. It rides well but the performance suspension is not the greatest. Still have to work on tuning that. I spent too much on upgrades but that was because Ordea kept delaying my custom order. Gave up and bought a base in stock bike then started to change stuff…
A little bit but not much. If it is between the M series Rise and the Fuel EXe, we would pick the Trek. Now if we are talking H series vs Fuel, likely the Rise H just for the larger battery. But we do really like the TQ drive system.
Nope, we meant 46. The top of the line Carbon Rise with the smaller battery weighs around the 36 mark (the large M-Series Rise we tested prior weighed in at 38.8lbs). Where as this has a bigger, heavier battery and the alloy frame also adds a few pounds.
I've had an M10 for almost a year now and love it. The only issue I have experienced is a creaking sound that I think I have addressed. The H models were not available when I purchased and if I was purchasing now, I would probably opt for the H15 for the larger battery and overall price point. My Rise rides very much like my beloved analog Reeb Squeeb (with a notable exception going uphill, of course LOL). Fast, fun, playful. Love this bike -- can't go wrong with the Rise.
I really like this bike. My wife has a Powerfly 9.7 LT and we are debating selling it and getting her a lighter bike. The H15 is on the radar and by the way it comes with a piggyback float x.
Right on. Could be a good swap… yeah sadly that’s just not the model we got and frankly not sure it should be an option as we’re not sure anyone who’d rather have a 40+ lb bike without a res.
I do not find much sense in this concept. You gat the same motor with the same size and weight but with less torque. I would prefer Fazua or TQ approach - less torque but also less weight.
Nice review, unbiased. How do you think this bike would perform for a 200 lb rider? I like to ride for 3 hours or so and do 20 plus miles of trail riding. I think I would like the lighter, poppier bike as I feel I am having to put a lot of effort in jumping my current bike, however I feel like I would have battery anxiety. What kind of range does the extender give and is it even available with all the supply chain issues? Currently my bike has a 750 watt battery and a Brose motor at 90 nm. It is pretty heavy at 54lbs. I am looking for a new bike as I snapped my frame in half on the seat post. Covered by warranty I hope but I have had so many issues with it and I am ready to move on to something new. Really enjoy your reviews.
I own a Riese H15, I’ve tried to convert it to an Enduro with a coil shock, 160mm Zeb, DH tires but I confirm it remains a “more capable trail bike” and not a DH shredder as a Kenevo SL. Anyway the motor and the range you can get from the battery are exceptional. Do you know when the Enduro version of the Rise will be presented?
I reckon a coil would be too linear for that linkage. An air shock works better as its more progressive. Might lose a bit of small bump sensitivity but the ramp up at the end of the stroke more than makes up for it.
Same experience for me…. H30 upgraded with Cane Creek coil, Zeb Ultimete, offset bushing, Magura brake, stronger tires… bit its still a more capable and fast trailbike… not an Enduro weapon…
Great review as always! I have the H15 with the float X Kashima and Fox 36 grip 2. I'm 195lb with kit and ride super aggressive. I borrowed my Fox 38 160mm from my Ripmo and loved it on the Rise H. Then I bought the 2023 Zeb Ultimate and it's been a game changer. The rear suspension is good, but does feel harsh sometimes when landing from a big jump or drop.
I have an H15. This was my first ebike and was rather disappointed with the power cut at 18mph instead of the regulated 20mph. I took my first ride on a gravel course just to test it out. I was actually slower on this than my gravel bike. Disappointed! STEPS app doesn't allow you to adjust speed limit or even wheel circumference (if you wanted to change tires). Ultimately I went through the hassle of derestricting it. It's actually enjoyable now. Hard cutoffs on ebikes are disconcerting killjoys. (Ugh, and to imagine Europeans have it worse!)
I have the rise h15 with the float x with max volume spacer.
I'm 85 kg and love a plush shock, currently running 180psi around 30 percent sag, the ramp up on the float x with the big spacer is perfect for me but it's still really supple on the initial stroke.
Also put a 160mm performance elite fork and a shorter stem, it's just about where I want it now.
I'd say I lean towards aggressive trail riding so it does everything I want it too.
The upgrades made a notable difference.
Solid content as always👊🏽
I love my H15, when the suspension is up for a service I’ll up the travel to 160 on the 36 factory fork. The shock is the float x factory and it soaks everything up. It’s such a lively bike to ride, great job Orbea.
So it soaks everything up, yet it is a lively ride?
Yup! I love my h15. Had them shop bump to 160 and put on 4 pot brakes before I even took delivery! 203 rotors front and rear and I use my ripmo wheel/tire set.
The float X surprised me, I was initially planning on upgrading it but it's a great little shock, a bigger volume spacer made a big difference for me.
@@HarryKuloh oooh who’s in pedant mode then. Try it, you’ll see
Yeah, interesting that the H15 has what I would argue is the better shock. Also, as I understand it, the carbon frame version is only 2 Kg lighter than the Alu version, so the value is there in terms of "bang for the buck".
would that bike do for streets and gravel roads ? I love the weight of it (19kg)
It would be overkill but would make for some fun extra credit lines in town haha!
11:17 maybe because they already have Orbea Wild (enduro e-mtb)
Any ideas on what size I should get. I’m 6’1.5”.
I’m 6’-1/2” with 36” inseam and went with an XL H15. Overall fits great but I’m also not riding super technical trails. Mine came with a 170 mm dropper and I was surprised to find it a bit long. Seat tube must be long. With the seat post all the way in I have to lower the dropper about 20mm. Just ordered a PNW Loam 150 for it. (They’re 25% off right now)
@@ZR2AL I finally did get an xl and it fits great! but I also cannot raise the seat all the way up. I would love to cut a little off of the frame and then the 170 slammed might be just right. I also can barely reach the ground with the seat slammed all the way down which would be nice.
Hi, would you buy this bike or the Rise? Very confused at this point!!
They're both Rises. Do you mean this verse it's carbon counterpart? We'd likely pick this one for its larger battery and some of our crew prefer the way the alloy rides on the trail.
@@TheLoamWolf Hi, thanks for you reply, sorry yes your right!! Looking at so many reviews my head is melted. Would you know the weights approximately of both bikes?
The H10 was roughly 45 lbs, and the M10 was close to 39 pounds.
@@TheLoamWolf Thats a great help as it’s hard to find out that info. Do you think the H10 is a well specked bike or is there any negatives? My mind is between the M10 or the H10?? Any input would be appreciated as when it comes to choosing a bike it’s an absolute mine field! Thanks
From a spec standpoint they are nearly identical. The 2 main differences are the rear shock spec and XT on the H series, verse XTR on the M series, which are both great options. We do highly recommend upgrading to a 36 fork in Orbeas MyO program. That said, factory suspension isn't necessarily a must have as the performance spec is super solid. I'd likely lean toward the H15.
I think if Orbea did a rallon-e with the hydro rise setup they would have a winner, as long as the frame holds itself together without cracking.....
I went with the h15 and love it. It comes with the fox x reservoir shock and the orbea shop I bought it from put a 160 air spring in the 36. So it’s now a 160/140 bike. I then put on 203 front and rear rotor adapters and my ripmo wheel/tire set!
Hey, great video thanks ! I have two questions : Is the cost savings on the alloy version worth the additional 2-4 kg of weight (depending if H30, H20 or H10 version) when riding downhill?
Does the alloy version experience the same rear triangle cracking issues as the carbon version?
It is a freak'n Rocketship for us XC bombers who love the zip and flail. Suspension upgrades NOT needed. Yes wheel upgrade as some point. Yes shorter crankarms asap (hey, it has a motor, less personal torque needed.) XT all the way! Other bikes, other brands, other ebikes in particular, ride like overloaded tugboats in heavy weather conditions. Ya hearing me?
I found this review really helpful….thank you!
I had pondered this sort of bike as an option rather then the Levo Expert I have ordered. But where I ride with very long and steep forestry road climbs followed by some pretty janky sections with rocky corners and root fest descents , I think the Rise would be a little under gunned based on your descriptions. Ditto for the new Trek Fuel lightweight ebike I think.
One of each type (full fat and a lightweight) would be perfect 😏🤔. Though I suspect “she who knows best and must be obeyed” might not agree.
It's the perfect bike for so many riders. An absolutely HUGE percentage of MTB riders does not live next to Whistler, and mellow terrain does not need a 63HTA fox 38 equipped bike. I do agree on the shock. I upgraded mine to a DVO Topaz since I don't like the DPS on any bike.
I have the h15 with the piggy back on rear shock and love it my first ebike .. at 52 years young.... as you have described my type of riding in this video to confirm i made the right choice (never ridden a full fat ebike).... one point for me been in the UK where speed is limited to 15.5 mph (25kph) ... when I am above that assist level I definitely would not want a heavier bike than this ... fantastic video keep up the great work 👍
I own an H30 since January . Its my first FS ebike (was on a hardtail for 2 years) and its a great bike for me . Im an intermediate rider and i love my blues ! I went from the e8000 motor to the ep8 RS and im quite happy with the power .
Overall a great bike!
I am one of the many who went w/ a long shock and a ton of upgrades. Fox Factory fixins w/ a DHX2 rear, Fox 38 160 up front. XT 4pots w/ MDR-P Rotors 220/203, RF Next-R Bars/ Turbine-R stem, Specialized Power Pro saddle, 210mm oneup dropper, SRAM X01 Drivetrain, XT 160mm Cranks, SC Reserve 30's wheels w/ hydra hubs and Scwalbe Magic Mary (f)/Eddy Current (r) 29x2.6 super gravity casing tires.
What does it weigh now?
@@wayne_kurr 45.29 lbs
Quality review, as usual! This category of ebike makes me really excited about ebikes in general.
I have a H10 and mine it's with fox 34 140mm. But unfortunately the bike it's almost all the time in the orbea garage: some cracking noise from linkage-it's how I was discovered the bike was without grease🙄, after the bizzare noise from bracelet and now from motor 😢 I was bought the bike in March and now the summer pass and I stay without the bike!!! The orbea answer me if I have more problems it's from shimano part not from them🙃
I’ve had an M20 for 18 months in Bentonville and it’s perfect for nearly everything we have. I’m a big fan of the light weight ebikes and for those with even a bit of fitness you’ll find it’s plenty of power.
Hey Ryan, Are you a native of Bentonville? The reason I ask is, I'm a native Californian, and considering moving to Bentonville. But the Humid weather and hotter temps than where I live in Brentwood, CA make me wonder....What are your thoughts due to my weather concerns?
How tall are you and did you find yourself wondering if you should go XL frame?
I almost bought one. I was going to put a 170mm 38, float x2 with longer stroke. I think it's around 162 mm rear travel after you put a 27.5 wheel in the rear. The bottom bracket will be at original height when done. After looking at money invested into that project, I just bought a gen 3 levo. Anyway look up mtb Mike, he did that to his rise.
Good review but am I right about the motor. Re:you buy an SL style MTB and are left lugging around the same motor weight and dimensions size as a full power MTB but detuned ?🤔
I was tempted to go full fat shuttle embt, but i think keeping that side as a manual and to have a trail embt for local laughs is the way to go. Depends on your local terrain i guess, i have to travel quite far to find big features.
I bought an Orbea Rise M10 with the Vault hub. After 8mths and limited rides I was getting a loud pinging noise from the rear hub. On inspection I found that the teeth on the Vault hub were rounded along with the pawls. Clearly the hub is not fit for purpose on an ebike and I do not understand why Orbea are fitting standard mtb components on ebikes!!!
The loads incurred on an ebike rear hub are massive compared to that of a conventional bike. So at considerable expense (£450) I have changed out my rear hub to DT Swiss who actually make ebike compatible hubs.
I don't quite see the point if this type of bike. It's not that much of a difference from full power ebikes. This alu Rise weight aprox 5.5 kg less than my alu Wild fs, and much of that weight must sit in my larger battery and to some degree beefier components. If I downgraded forks and put in a smaller battery, the difference would probably be a couple of kg, and we must ask ourselves how much of a difference that really makes. A lot have to be placebo and of course the difference in geometry that makes any bike unique. I've no doubly that what makes a Rise playful is due to the trail focus as opposed to enduro/all mountain focus of the Wild.
I think lapierre with the fazua is on the right track with the e zesty that has a removable motor and battery, but the unit is too small/weak. It only offers a 3 kg weight loss, and that seems small compared to the loss of the motor. I would have liked a removable motor and battery with full power, to give me the option of either full power ebiking or a light normal bike. No half measures in between. Anyone else agree on this, or is it just me?
Great points all around. And we’d love to try a removable drive unit and battery bike.
The 2023 rise is 35lbs. The Wild is 44lbs. both at their lightest.
Would you recommend this bike in enduro style terrain type Squamish BC (not talking about Whistler Bike Park)? I live in Squamish and am interested in ebike for whenever I'd go riding in California that has tons of never ending access roads before reaching out the trails but would like to use this ebike around where I live from time to time as well. (I already have a standard enduro bike). Asking the question as I am not extra interested in the much more bulkier and heavier full fat ebikes.
Question. I just bought a Gen 3 Levo. After 341 miles the chain broke. I decided to replace it and the new chain won't mate with the cassette because it's so worn after so few miles. I had to get a new chain and a new sram eagle cassette that cost me nearly 300 bucks. When the hell is Shimano Link Glide gonna actually be available? Drivetrains for ebikes simply suck. Now I'm looking at getting rid of Eagle and going back to 11 speed or something so I can actually afford to replace the stuff when it prematurely wears out.
Thanks, very nice review. You have picked the right trail for Rise 10 as well. Easy, informative and to the point session. Ride on!
I like this bike
I've got a young one at home.
I have time for a fat bike with 5psi in the tires length of ride (workout)
Still debating if I want to buy the lower end Rise, add a bigger 160 fork, swap out the shock for a 150 with a reservoir or just go with the full power YT Decoy
Great review. One of the deciding factors in our purchase of a Pair of Rise, one H15 (fully up-kitted) and one H30.
Enjoy the review. H series are a great choice and price point . I have the Rise with a DHX2 coil and love it. What are your thoughts about running a coil🤔
Whats the difference between all the H10, 20, 30 and M10,20,30 series?
The H series bikes use an alloy frame, and at the time of filming featured a large 540wh battery. The M series bikes utilize a carbon frame and come standard with a smaller 3xx wh battery. Orbea has sinced updated the Rises, specifically the Carbon models and now allow the customer to upgrade to the larger battery. As for the number denominations, those just signify the build level. Lower numbers have a better spec and higher price, with the lower number being a more entry level spec.
@theloamwolf Any chatter from the motor? The ep8 was commonly known to have chatter while descending or going over rough terrain, but not sure if it's still an issue with the ep801?
801 drive units are a bit quieter, as for now, it seems nobody has a dead silent motor, but it is an improvement for sure. What we'd say is that different frame's acoustics are as much a cause of examination as the drive unit! we've had Bosch's be louder in some frames than Shimano's in others and vice-versa.
When I get one ill be going for a longer stroke coil on the back and 160 up front
Thanks for the review. I have an M20, and I love it. I upgraded the tires and added inserts. I also had to upgrade my brakes. I went to Shimano Saint's. Now it corners just fine. 😎 I am right around the same weight, and I use all the travel in the shock even with a volume reducer. Thanks again looks like it's going to be the year of the light eMTB.
160/160 M series for me and loving it.
Man another bike I love and wish I had
For roughly the same price, which is the way to go? Carbon frame to save weight (but lower spec), or Aluminum frame to get upgrade on components (but heavier)? I’m thinking the weight difference is mostly contributed to the larger battery rather than the frame material (but that also increases range). And finally, Orbea Rise or Trek Fuel EX-e???
I’d go alloy purely for battery, and savings! Now, regarding the trek vs Rise. Gonna have to wait til we get more time. The trek probably rides a bit better but the range with 360 and no available extenders yet is an issue for sure.
Best bike breakdowns on the web man. Okay if you had to choose the Fuel EXe or the Rise, which one would it be?
Thank you very much! Really appreciate the compliment. As of right now, we'd probably lean towards the Trek but still got a ways to go andddd, who knows what could be coming down the pipe soon.
Surprised you got Galfer rotors! My H15 came with downgraded Tourney rotors which was annoying. That said, I love my H15 but it went on a serious upgrade. Put on SRAM GX AXS, Code RSC brakes with HS2 rotors and Reserve 30|SL carbon wheels. It rides well but the performance suspension is not the greatest. Still have to work on tuning that.
I spent too much on upgrades but that was because Ordea kept delaying my custom order. Gave up and bought a base in stock bike then started to change stuff…
Thanks for sharing! It’s a prime bike for upgrades… although it would be nice to see one how so many people want it.
@@radicalturkey I’d forgotten that. So did mine. One reason why I replaced the wheels before I even rode it.
I'm assuming that there is still that drag/friction when the motor is off? your pick, Rise RS vs Trek Fuel EXe?
In a Large, the M series bike we had measured in around 41 pounds, while the H10 here weighs in at 46 pounds.
A little bit but not much. If it is between the M series Rise and the Fuel EXe, we would pick the Trek. Now if we are talking H series vs Fuel, likely the Rise H just for the larger battery. But we do really like the TQ drive system.
9:12 - 46lbs?? Think you mean 36lbs
Nope, we meant 46. The top of the line Carbon Rise with the smaller battery weighs around the 36 mark (the large M-Series Rise we tested prior weighed in at 38.8lbs). Where as this has a bigger, heavier battery and the alloy frame also adds a few pounds.
How is the range on this? Should be better than a M10.
A bit better yes!
I've had an M10 for almost a year now and love it. The only issue I have experienced is a creaking sound that I think I have addressed. The H models were not available when I purchased and if I was purchasing now, I would probably opt for the H15 for the larger battery and overall price point.
My Rise rides very much like my beloved analog Reeb Squeeb (with a notable exception going uphill, of course LOL). Fast, fun, playful. Love this bike -- can't go wrong with the Rise.
How have you addressed creaking sound? Loctite 638?
There is a video about it from the "Parking Lot Pro" channel:
th-cam.com/video/70PXMUVD1fQ/w-d-xo.html
Excellent well rounded review
Thank you kindly!
If you still have this bike, you guys should put a 38 on it and a piggy back shock with meatier tires and review it again!
I really like this bike. My wife has a Powerfly 9.7 LT and we are debating selling it and getting her a lighter bike. The H15 is on the radar and by the way it comes with a piggyback float x.
Right on. Could be a good swap… yeah sadly that’s just not the model we got and frankly not sure it should be an option as we’re not sure anyone who’d rather have a 40+ lb bike without a res.
Wonder how the new Trek Fuel EXe would stack up?
Ohhhh boy!! That’s a good question. Range is the biggest issue but the Trek is a real contender in early testing!
I do not find much sense in this concept. You gat the same motor with the same size and weight but with less torque. I would prefer Fazua or TQ approach - less torque but also less weight.
Is the motor tuneable to get the 85nm from it ?
Not to our knowledge.
officially no ;-)
Great review 👍 love your videos
Thank you very much!
Outrageous price. Can't wrap my head around a bicycle costing as much as a new dirt bike. I'll wait until it's half off.
Nice review, unbiased. How do you think this bike would perform for a 200 lb rider? I like to ride for 3 hours or so and do 20 plus miles of trail riding. I think I would like the lighter, poppier bike as I feel I am having to put a lot of effort in jumping my current bike, however I feel like I would have battery anxiety. What kind of range does the extender give and is it even available with all the supply chain issues? Currently my bike has a 750 watt battery and a Brose motor at 90 nm. It is pretty heavy at 54lbs. I am looking for a new bike as I snapped my frame in half on the seat post. Covered by warranty I hope but I have had so many issues with it and I am ready to move on to something new. Really enjoy your reviews.
I’m 210 with gear on and went for 12 miles on my first ride last week and used 1 out of 5 bars of battery on my H30.
I own a Riese H15, I’ve tried to convert it to an Enduro with a coil shock, 160mm Zeb, DH tires but I confirm it remains a “more capable trail bike” and not a DH shredder as a Kenevo SL. Anyway the motor and the range you can get from the battery are exceptional.
Do you know when the Enduro version of the Rise will be presented?
I reckon a coil would be too linear for that linkage.
An air shock works better as its more progressive.
Might lose a bit of small bump sensitivity but the ramp up at the end of the stroke more than makes up for it.
Same experience for me…. H30 upgraded with Cane Creek coil, Zeb Ultimete, offset bushing, Magura brake, stronger tires… bit its still a more capable and fast trailbike… not an Enduro weapon…
Great review as always! I have the H15 with the float X Kashima and Fox 36 grip 2. I'm 195lb with kit and ride super aggressive. I borrowed my Fox 38 160mm from my Ripmo and loved it on the Rise H. Then I bought the 2023 Zeb Ultimate and it's been a game changer. The rear suspension is good, but does feel harsh sometimes when landing from a big jump or drop.
The feedback insight on this is invaluable
@@austinford5969 Sir, do you have an aluminum Rise yourself?
@Froilan no I have the carbon version, but can’t seem to get the rear suspension dialed
Yah I have the h15 also. I don’t have factory but my shop did install a 160 airspring. I actually put my ripmo wheel set on it!
I have an H15. This was my first ebike and was rather disappointed with the power cut at 18mph instead of the regulated 20mph. I took my first ride on a gravel course just to test it out. I was actually slower on this than my gravel bike. Disappointed! STEPS app doesn't allow you to adjust speed limit or even wheel circumference (if you wanted to change tires). Ultimately I went through the hassle of derestricting it. It's actually enjoyable now.
Hard cutoffs on ebikes are disconcerting killjoys. (Ugh, and to imagine Europeans have it worse!)
I don’t know why people buy alloy Ebike. It’s still heavy af and stupid
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Have you ridden one? Yes heavier than the carbon, but usable range with the bigger battery and once moving feels not far removed from a regular bike.
Hahahaa! One can ride, flail, zip and even fail in full confidence. Lose some body fat if you think things are getting heavy.
1. More affordable
2. Better with impacts to the frame
3. Don't need to worry about scratches
4. Easier to recycle in the end