I've been waiting for a Rise with the current LT geo, and now it's even available with 85 Nm... No more excuse, this is the one. Yeah, Bosch SX might be more reliable, but this is a proven design as well, with clattering etc on the known negatives side, but it's quite good.
I own the 2022 Orbea Rise H and want to upgrade to the Orbea Rise LT Carbon with the big battery. Bigger is better as far as I am concerned for the riding I do
I've been looking at the Rise and had an extended test of one back in March and loved it, Cant wait to be able to buy one, I am looking at an Alloy version but want the EP801 motor.
Tempted by both ,it's the head angle that appeals to me a bit more stable , I like shimano don't care about the over run and as for power again I like rs set up.but having the option to increase the power for big climbs ,great .
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. They are both great options. The LT is arguably the more versatile, if you ride with owners of with enduro style bikes (like the Levo, Wild etc) and with other mid-power or non-electric riders. The addition of the (incredibly easy to use) flip chip means you can make head angle adjustments whilst out on the trails. For me, I generally ride cross country and trail so the SL is perfect for my needs. (I wouldn’t say no to an LT though!) I love the RS tuned motors. I prefer their natural feel to the Bosch/Yamaha etc motors. The RS+ version now means that you can pretty much keep up with the big hitting CX, Mag-S and PW-X3 motors, but maintain the natural feel and cadence of the old RS.
You’re correct. You’ve still got an absolute weapon of a bike. I love the original Rise. We have a demonstration Rise M20 2024 that I borrow all the time. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Hi, i have just tried the orbea wild and the orbea rise (2023). The wild for me was more stable and the bosch 85nm motor gave way more support compared to the more natural ep8 60nm motor of the rise. There was no overrun at all on the rise but somehow that wasnt the only difference. I compared head to head the climbing capabilities and a weaker biker could easily overtake me during longer climbings. (Even an other biker with 50nm yamaha motor could overtake me) The rise somehow tried to exhaust and kill me :). Beside of that i preferred the naturality of the rise. My question is how the new motor is behaving? Is it giving significantly more power? Compared to the bosch systems what do you feel? I am planning to test the 2025 rise before i order it but currently it is not available in my country. It will arrive only after october
The Wild is a significantly more powerful bike than the Rise (2020-24 RS 60Nm). Orbea tuned that motor in a way that really makes the rider work for the extra power. I personally love that about the Rise but it’s not for everyone. The new 2025 Rise has, in the RS+ mode, significantly more power than the original model. It still requires more rider effort than the Bosch CX motor but the 85Nm EP8 RS is a much closer match to the Bosch than the original. In a straight drag race the Bosch will pull away but not by as much). I completely agree, the Wild is a more stable and predictable bike than the Rise, but the Rise is more playful, agile and nimble. I would strongly recommend trying one when you get a chance. Thank you very much for watching our video and taking the time to comment. Jason
A great choice. As you say, the LT does overlap the Wild slightly, so you would have two very similar bikes. The M-Team Wild is a cracking bike! Thank for watching and taking the time to comment. Jason
@@ebikecentreI had a go on the New Wild MTeam yesterday ( I have the 2021 Rise M10) I then had a go on the Mondraker Dune RR….. my thoughts after was There’s no reason to buy the Wild , it weighs a ton , yes it’s got good travel, lots of power but in my opinion the Rise or Dune are both better , I know people will disagree but honestly I think 65 Nm or 55 Nm on the dune is enough
The Bosch SX is an excellent motor. However, we have found that the mid power e-bikes with around 50-60Nm have not been as popular as manufacturers expected. I personally love mid-power mid-weight but it appears most of the market wants full-power hence the new Rise having the full 85Nm motor. Orbea are hoping to find the sweet spot between full power and “lighter” weight. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yep, undoubtedly expensive. If “money’s no object” then it’s an incredible piece of kit, but for most of us it’s worth waiting for the alloy and lower spec carbon models to become available. Ultimately, the high end bling on these bikes is way more than the average rider needs. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Why is this the same...very same, bike that's in a dozen other TH-cam review videos? Having the bike for a day or two, is not enough for a review. That's the issue with TH-cam marketing. It's more of a car commercial. Telling us all-the-good. Reserving any of the bad. And e-bikes, have a-lot of bad. Butif ya can afford to pay 10 grand for a bicycle, problems are just not a consideration. Right?
I’ve got to say, you’re very observant, it is the very same bike in all the early UK review videos. That’s because it was the first Rise LT in the UK, so we all had to wait our turn for it. I disagree with you regarding that only having the bike for a day or two doesn’t give you time to make a judgement about a bike. Of course having it for an extended period is better and will allow you to do a more in depth review of the bike. Unfortunately, when a bike has just been released we do not have that luxury. However….. we do now have a couple of Rise LTs for an extended test and we will be releasing an extended test video in the near future. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and comment, we do appreciate the feedback. Jason
I've been waiting for a Rise with the current LT geo, and now it's even available with 85 Nm... No more excuse, this is the one. Yeah, Bosch SX might be more reliable, but this is a proven design as well, with clattering etc on the known negatives side, but it's quite good.
I own the 2022 Orbea Rise H and want to upgrade to the Orbea Rise LT Carbon with the big battery. Bigger is better as far as I am concerned for the riding I do
I've been looking at the Rise and had an extended test of one back in March and loved it, Cant wait to be able to buy one, I am looking at an Alloy version but want the EP801 motor.
Tempted by both ,it's the head angle that appeals to me a bit more stable , I like shimano don't care about the over run and as for power again I like rs set up.but having the option to increase the power for big climbs ,great .
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
They are both great options. The LT is arguably the more versatile, if you ride with owners of with enduro style bikes (like the Levo, Wild etc) and with other mid-power or non-electric riders. The addition of the (incredibly easy to use) flip chip means you can make head angle adjustments whilst out on the trails.
For me, I generally ride cross country and trail so the SL is perfect for my needs. (I wouldn’t say no to an LT though!)
I love the RS tuned motors. I prefer their natural feel to the Bosch/Yamaha etc motors. The RS+ version now means that you can pretty much keep up with the big hitting CX, Mag-S and PW-X3 motors, but maintain the natural feel and cadence of the old RS.
I have a 2023 rise. Wish I waited haha I love the fact that you can customize the paint job on the 2025 models
The custom paint jobs are a really nice touch, but ultimately the 2023 Rise is a very capable and enjoyable ride. Thanks for watching 👍
@@ebikecentre I agree, the 2024 is just a touch more aesthetically pleasing 😅
I would choose LT, because the frame is the same as the SL, as both models have the same shock, but the LT has no internal travel limiter
I can totally understand your choice. Thanks a lot for watching and taking the time to comment. Jason
The SL as actually only the ep600-rs motor on the M20 not the ep801rs.. so I am still happy with my 2024 M20 ep801-rs sl bike :)
You’re correct. You’ve still got an absolute weapon of a bike. I love the original Rise. We have a demonstration Rise M20 2024 that I borrow all the time. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Does Shimano's new EP801 software update impact the RS+ tune also as that has user changeable over-run now apparently
Hi, i have just tried the orbea wild and the orbea rise (2023). The wild for me was more stable and the bosch 85nm motor gave way more support compared to the more natural ep8 60nm motor of the rise. There was no overrun at all on the rise but somehow that wasnt the only difference. I compared head to head the climbing capabilities and a weaker biker could easily overtake me during longer climbings. (Even an other biker with 50nm yamaha motor could overtake me) The rise somehow tried to exhaust and kill me :). Beside of that i preferred the naturality of the rise. My question is how the new motor is behaving? Is it giving significantly more power? Compared to the bosch systems what do you feel? I am planning to test the 2025 rise before i order it but currently it is not available in my country. It will arrive only after october
The Wild is a significantly more powerful bike than the Rise (2020-24 RS 60Nm). Orbea tuned that motor in a way that really makes the rider work for the extra power. I personally love that about the Rise but it’s not for everyone.
The new 2025 Rise has, in the RS+ mode, significantly more power than the original model. It still requires more rider effort than the Bosch CX motor but the 85Nm EP8 RS is a much closer match to the Bosch than the original. In a straight drag race the Bosch will pull away but not by as much).
I completely agree, the Wild is a more stable and predictable bike than the Rise, but the Rise is more playful, agile and nimble. I would strongly recommend trying one when you get a chance.
Thank you very much for watching our video and taking the time to comment. Jason
The SL for me as well with the small battery. I already have the new M-team Orbea Wild and the LT is too close to the wild
A great choice. As you say, the LT does overlap the Wild slightly, so you would have two very similar bikes.
The M-Team Wild is a cracking bike! Thank for watching and taking the time to comment. Jason
@@ebikecentreI had a go on the New Wild MTeam yesterday ( I have the 2021 Rise M10) I then had a go on the Mondraker Dune RR….. my thoughts after was There’s no reason to buy the Wild , it weighs a ton , yes it’s got good travel, lots of power but in my opinion the Rise or Dune are both better , I know people will disagree but honestly I think 65 Nm or 55 Nm on the dune is enough
Too bad it's not available with a Bosch SX. I try it on a Flyer And it's so fun. 16,6kg in total.
The Bosch SX is an excellent motor. However, we have found that the mid power e-bikes with around 50-60Nm have not been as popular as manufacturers expected. I personally love mid-power mid-weight but it appears most of the market wants full-power hence the new Rise having the full 85Nm motor. Orbea are hoping to find the sweet spot between full power and “lighter” weight. Thanks for watching and commenting.
£10k 😂
Yep, undoubtedly expensive. If “money’s no object” then it’s an incredible piece of kit, but for most of us it’s worth waiting for the alloy and lower spec carbon models to become available. Ultimately, the high end bling on these bikes is way more than the average rider needs.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Why is this the same...very same, bike that's in a dozen other TH-cam review videos? Having the bike for a day or two, is not enough for a review. That's the issue with TH-cam marketing. It's more of a car commercial. Telling us all-the-good. Reserving any of the bad. And e-bikes, have a-lot of bad. Butif ya can afford to pay 10 grand for a bicycle, problems are just not a consideration. Right?
I’ve got to say, you’re very observant, it is the very same bike in all the early UK review videos. That’s because it was the first Rise LT in the UK, so we all had to wait our turn for it. I disagree with you regarding that only having the bike for a day or two doesn’t give you time to make a judgement about a bike. Of course having it for an extended period is better and will allow you to do a more in depth review of the bike. Unfortunately, when a bike has just been released we do not have that luxury. However….. we do now have a couple of Rise LTs for an extended test and we will be releasing an extended test video in the near future. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and comment, we do appreciate the feedback. Jason