7/8. Penalty area scenario caught me out. Thanks for posting - useful refresher and really handy that you are both running these rules quizzes fairly regularly.
On the second, I interpreted probing the dirt as preparing/testing the ground and thought it would be the general penalty. But, I correctly answered the rest. I love these little quizzes and your rules videos. Thanks.
What if the ball moves (at general area) during you rest the club just behind the ball before you make the swing? It usually happens at the rough area or thick grass.
8/8 but they were all practical and relevant to the average round. Unlike another golf rules channel: “Bob is playing a 4BB with Bill. Bill accidentally breaks his putter on the 1st hole after arriving 5 minutes late to the tee… On the second hole Bill uses Bob’s putter…”
Yes, I was wondering about that. He didn't take relief according to the rules, although he did end up dropping in what would have been the relief area if he did. That is, after finding the nearest point of complete relief, he can then drop the ball within one club length, but he just dropped within one club length of the immovable obstruction.
Golf is tough enough without having rules that destroy the player and the game. Common sense seems to rule. Thanks for the demonstrations and explanations. And finally, as I'm new to the game this was very informative.
I was surprised that I got 3 wrong!! Q2 I thought it was wrong to test the ground. Q6 got me. If there is no penalty for accidentally moving the ball with a practice stroke on the green, why should there be a penalty for the same thing in the general playing area?
The Putting Green is its own Separate Area of the Course with its own specific Rules. It's really due to the very shortness of the Grass on the Green and the minimal resistance to Movement provided to the Ball. The permitable Practice Swings in the Penalty Area would earn you a Penalty in a Bunker because Bunkers are a Different Area than Penalty Areas.
I think I know the answer, but a lot of us have been there. In getting set up for a shot out of the rough, the player grounds their club, the ball moves (rotates in its own pitch mark), then the club is lifted and the ball rotates back to its original position, and the stroke is made. What is the ruling?
Scenario 1/8. Aren't the ruling is under R6.2b(5) 'If a teed ball falls off the tee or is knocked off the tee by the player before the player has made a stroke at it, it may be re-teed anywhere in the teeing area without penalty instead of R6.1 as mentioned? Answered all correctly except for 6/8 haha..
In the senario where the ball is resting against a loose impediment (as in your example of a twig,) what is the rule if one of your playing partners moves the twig and the ball moves..? This has happened to me, and my playing companion was only trying to be helpful, but we had no idea what the rulle was in this case..? Thanks.
@@markrandall6973 Indeed - knock it off the tee on a practice swing and it's fine as the ball is not yet in play, and on the green, any accidental movement of ball or marker is no longer a penalty (replace the ball and play on). Anywhere else on the course, and movement of your ball in play, whether accidental or not (other than when searching for your ball), results in a penalty stroke and you must replace the ball before playing
I missed the one where the practice swing off the green accidently moved the ball. I always thought that if you moved your ball in play with your club then it counted as a stroke. Is that the old rule? What happens if you move the ball on the putting green with a practice stroke?
Hello Bruce - I don't remember that ever being a rule in my time playing the game. On the green, accidental movement of either ball or ball-marker is now no penalty - you must replace the ball where it was originally before playing though
IF you have Marked, Lifted and Replaced the Ball *any and all inadvertent* Movement of the Ball is now just Replace the Ball. IF the Ball has simply been Left on the Green, then only Unintentional Movement of the Ball is replaceable.
The delicate chip shot situation you could surely count it as a stroke? As his lie seems slightly better than before his accident he wouldn't have to replace the ball, just count it as a bad stroke?
Only missed the accidental ball strike. Thought it was no penalty, but the practice stroke counts. Instead it was a one stroke penalty. I’ll look it up. The rest I know by number…. Studying helps!
Re #6...so the next time I badly shank/toe a ball into a penalty area (or a worse spot), I can just call that a practice swing replace it and try again...works for me :-)
HHmmm... if you mean hitting in on a practice swing in the general area, even if you did try to claim it was only a practice swing, it would still be a one-stroke penalty so no different to stroke and penalty anyway. Better to be honest :)
When a club four-ball seniors lose a hole !what to do ?I suggest they simply have a word with the rules chair,with a full description of the missing hole,and importantly,where they last Saw it,and when they missed it,then call in all the bar Bogans to assist in search,simple !!
#4??? I got all right, But He didn't take a stance first, then put a FIRST tee then mark off One club ( driver) , from that spot, NOT the cart path, ????
Actually because he is right handed and the ball was on the left side of the cart path the nearest point of relief is just off the cart path and he doesn’t need to take a stance. Therefore he could have maybe started the measurement a little bit more to the right he did do it right. Where you would have to take your stance first would have been if he was left handed then he must take complete relief of the path which means figuring out the nearest point your feet would be off the path then marking that and taking the 1 club length. Which also means if your ball is not on a cart path but your feet will be to play the ball you can take relief so your feet are not on the cart path. Of course you never have to take relief you could hit it from the cart path if you want.
Is it just me or did he take improper relief from the cart path? My understanding is you take full relief be it stance or swing path of your club, mark that spot where your ball will most likely come to rest when dropped, and THEN you take a club length distance for the drop area.
Under Rule 16.1a, free relief is allowed. Relief is the nearest point of complete relief. Unfortunately, sometimes the nearest point of complete relief may not be free of boundary objects, or immovable objects in the way of the swing or stance. If the nearest point of complete relief isn’t the best option, a player may then play the ball as it lies or play the ball under Rule 19.1. Rule 19 is the unplayable ball rule. You may then take unplayable ball relief anywhere in the general area except penalty area’s. Unplayable ball relief is a one stoke penalty.
Hello Frankie - he possibly should have measured from a few inches further left, but it kind of depends on whether the club passing over an immovable obstruction such as a cart path on the backswing counts as interference. I'm not sure it does, and at that angle he wouldn't have caught the path on his follow-through
Yes, he didn't take relief correctly, although he did appear to end up in the same relief area as if he did. The reference point is the nearest point of complete relief using the club you intend to use for the stroke. Your relief area is then within one club length of that reference point no nearer the hole and still maintaining complete relief from the obstruction. He didn't do that.
You can ground your club in penalty areas. You can even ground your club in a bunker, but you're not allowed to ground it behind the ball when you are addressing it to take your shot from a bunker.
The one we’re he hits it by mistake when he’s chipping in doesn’t make any sense ..if he has hit it why doesn’t that count as a stroke and the next is his third shot 😮
The free drop for the ball on the cart path was done incorrectly. It is not one club length from the cart path. The golfer must find the nearest point of relief that moves the ball no closer to the hole and mark that point with a tee. The golfer is entitled to one club length of relief from that spot.
When the *NPCR* for a Right Handed Player is Left, then it's just off the Left Side of the Path. From there, there is a One Club Length Relief Area. While the ritual was hurried, it was a Legal Drop. The vast majority of the Time the *NPRC* will be on the Left Side of a Cart Path for a RH Player.
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Great way to present the rules, in actual play, more.
Excellent quiz.
And you went straight to the point, which is much appreciated.
When he missed the last putt at the end, I felt that. lol
7/8. Penalty area scenario caught me out. Thanks for posting - useful refresher and really handy that you are both running these rules quizzes fairly regularly.
Very helpful. Even those of us who play frequently need help with rules. Thank you.
Brilliant thanks, more please!
Thanks guys. Explained very nicely so I wont forget.
Always great content.
great stuff you guys, thanks!
Love these videos about rules, keep it up, thanks
On the second, I interpreted probing the dirt as preparing/testing the ground and thought it would be the general penalty. But, I correctly answered the rest. I love these little quizzes and your rules videos. Thanks.
On fairway you make a stroke missing the ball but lifting a divot behind the ball can you repair the divot before making next stroke
Good question.
Great quiz. Please do more.
What if the ball moves (at general area) during you rest the club just behind the ball before you make the swing? It usually happens at the rough area or thick grass.
Since the Player caused the Ball to Move, 1 Stroke Penalty AND Replace the Ball as Best as possible.
Very useful!
8/8 but they were all practical and relevant to the average round.
Unlike another golf rules channel: “Bob is playing a 4BB with Bill. Bill accidentally breaks his putter on the 1st hole after arriving 5 minutes late to the tee… On the second hole Bill uses Bob’s putter…”
4/8. Does 'penalty area' mean there are red markers?
cart path relief is actually, nearest place of relief , THEN one club length
Yes, I was wondering about that. He didn't take relief according to the rules, although he did end up dropping in what would have been the relief area if he did. That is, after finding the nearest point of complete relief, he can then drop the ball within one club length, but he just dropped within one club length of the immovable obstruction.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 Yes, as you say NPOCR should have been a few inches further left, but he did drop within the relief area
Fairly simple. I answered all correct.
Do all courses give relief from tree roots in general area more than 1 club length from the tree? Or is that a local rule?
Thanks in advance.
8 out of 8 all rules I was comfortable with
keep them coming 6/8
6 of 8 correct
👍good stuff. I was surprised about the second one as it means that you could test around the ball on every shot (?) - now that would be a long round!😵
Golf is tough enough without having rules that destroy the player and the game.
Common sense seems to rule. Thanks for the demonstrations and explanations.
And finally, as I'm new to the game this was very informative.
I was surprised that I got 3 wrong!! Q2 I thought it was wrong to test the ground. Q6 got me. If there is no penalty for accidentally moving the ball with a practice stroke on the green, why should there be a penalty for the same thing in the general playing area?
The Putting Green is its own Separate Area of the Course with its own specific Rules.
It's really due to the very shortness of the Grass on the Green and the minimal resistance to Movement provided to the Ball.
The permitable Practice Swings in the Penalty Area would earn you a Penalty in a Bunker because Bunkers are a Different Area than Penalty Areas.
I think I know the answer, but a lot of us have been there. In getting set up for a shot out of the rough, the player grounds their club, the ball moves (rotates in its own pitch mark), then the club is lifted and the ball rotates back to its original position, and the stroke is made. What is the ruling?
That's jolly useful. 6/8
6/8 testing ground for tree roots, and head cover still on got me
Scenario 1/8. Aren't the ruling is under R6.2b(5) 'If a teed ball falls off the tee or is knocked off the tee by the player before the player has made a stroke at it, it may be re-teed anywhere in the teeing area without penalty instead of R6.1 as mentioned?
Answered all correctly except for 6/8 haha..
I learned a lot. I haven’t played in 20 years. I forgot a lot of the finer points of the rules.
In the senario where the ball is resting against a loose impediment (as in your example of a twig,) what is the rule if one of your playing partners moves the twig and the ball moves..? This has happened to me, and my playing companion was only trying to be helpful, but we had no idea what the rulle was in this case..? Thanks.
If your PARTNER causes it to Move YOU are Penalized.
If your OPPONENT causes the Movement HE is Penalized.
Do the tee shot and chip shot not come under accidental movement of the golf ball ? Or is that only relevant on the greens now ? (July 2021)
Only on the green, and on the tee before you've intentionally hit the ball into play. Anywhere else on the course and it's a penalty. ;-)
@@markrandall6973 Indeed - knock it off the tee on a practice swing and it's fine as the ball is not yet in play, and on the green, any accidental movement of ball or marker is no longer a penalty (replace the ball and play on). Anywhere else on the course, and movement of your ball in play, whether accidental or not (other than when searching for your ball), results in a penalty stroke and you must replace the ball before playing
I missed the one where the practice swing off the green accidently moved the ball. I always thought that if you moved your ball in play with your club then it counted as a stroke. Is that the old rule? What happens if you move the ball on the putting green with a practice stroke?
Hello Bruce - I don't remember that ever being a rule in my time playing the game. On the green, accidental movement of either ball or ball-marker is now no penalty - you must replace the ball where it was originally before playing though
IF you have Marked, Lifted and Replaced the Ball *any and all inadvertent* Movement of the Ball is now just Replace the Ball.
IF the Ball has simply been Left on the Green, then only Unintentional Movement of the Ball is replaceable.
8 out of 8
All 8 correct, Pleased.
Well done!
Bigfoot sighting at 4:22?
The delicate chip shot situation you could surely count it as a stroke? As his lie seems slightly better than before his accident he wouldn't have to replace the ball, just count it as a bad stroke?
Hello Kenneth - no you can't, I'm afraid. If there was no intent to strike the ball then it doesn't count as a stroke
@@jeremyellwood4515 I won’t argue hard here, but couldn’t you just say it was an intended strike? 🤣 thanks for the reply, I take your point
Not noticing the fox running across the fairway in the background is never a penalty. Enjoy the wildlife, one of the many reasons to play golf
Got all 8 correct😊
Great stuff!
75%.
Decent effort!
thank you, I thought I knew them but failed
Only missed the accidental ball strike. Thought it was no penalty, but the practice stroke counts. Instead it was a one stroke penalty. I’ll look it up. The rest I know by number…. Studying helps!
8 out of 8 although the question about grounding the club in a penalty area I wasn't 100% with my answer so felt lucky I got that one right.
Good effort either way!
Re #6...so the next time I badly shank/toe a ball into a penalty area (or a worse spot), I can just call that a practice swing replace it and try again...works for me :-)
HHmmm... if you mean hitting in on a practice swing in the general area, even if you did try to claim it was only a practice swing, it would still be a one-stroke penalty so no different to stroke and penalty anyway. Better to be honest :)
Sorry 'stroke and distance' is what I meant...
5 out of 8.
Not bad Gregory, and hopefully a few useful things learnt
@@jeremyellwood4515 yep! I should have broke 80 a couple times. . .not a lot, but once or twice. Lol!
When a club four-ball seniors lose a hole !what to do ?I suggest they simply have a word with the rules chair,with a full description of the missing hole,and importantly,where they last Saw it,and when they missed it,then call in all the bar Bogans to assist in search,simple !!
#4??? I got all right, But He didn't take a stance first, then put a FIRST tee then mark off One club ( driver) , from that spot, NOT the cart path, ????
Actually because he is right handed and the ball was on the left side of the cart path the nearest point of relief is just off the cart path and he doesn’t need to take a stance. Therefore he could have maybe started the measurement a little bit more to the right he did do it right. Where you would have to take your stance first would have been if he was left handed then he must take complete relief of the path which means figuring out the nearest point your feet would be off the path then marking that and taking the 1 club length. Which also means if your ball is not on a cart path but your feet will be to play the ball you can take relief so your feet are not on the cart path. Of course you never have to take relief you could hit it from the cart path if you want.
Is it just me or did he take improper relief from the cart path? My understanding is you take full relief be it stance or swing path of your club, mark that spot where your ball will most likely come to rest when dropped, and THEN you take a club length distance for the drop area.
Under Rule 16.1a, free relief is allowed. Relief is the nearest point of complete relief. Unfortunately, sometimes the nearest point of complete relief may not be free of boundary objects, or immovable objects in the way of the swing or stance. If the nearest point of complete relief isn’t the best option, a player may then play the ball as it lies or play the ball under Rule 19.1. Rule 19 is the unplayable ball rule. You may then take unplayable ball relief anywhere in the general area except penalty area’s. Unplayable ball relief is a one stoke penalty.
Hello Frankie - he possibly should have measured from a few inches further left, but it kind of depends on whether the club passing over an immovable obstruction such as a cart path on the backswing counts as interference. I'm not sure it does, and at that angle he wouldn't have caught the path on his follow-through
Yes, he didn't take relief correctly, although he did appear to end up in the same relief area as if he did. The reference point is the nearest point of complete relief using the club you intend to use for the stroke. Your relief area is then within one club length of that reference point no nearer the hole and still maintaining complete relief from the obstruction. He didn't do that.
Penalty area...you cannot ground your club in a penalty area..as in bunker shots...
Hello John - you can in a penalty area now, but not in a bunker
You can ground your club in penalty areas. You can even ground your club in a bunker, but you're not allowed to ground it behind the ball when you are addressing it to take your shot from a bunker.
You are correct the first time I was asked not to ground the club in penalty area it was a local rule @@markrandall6973
8/8 for me, but Neil definitely needs to practice his putting…
The one we’re he hits it by mistake when he’s chipping in doesn’t make any sense ..if he has hit it why doesn’t that count as a stroke and the next is his third shot 😮
The free drop for the ball on the cart path was done incorrectly.
It is not one club length from the cart path.
The golfer must find the nearest point of relief that moves the ball no closer to the hole and mark that point with a tee.
The golfer is entitled to one club length of relief from that spot.
When the *NPCR* for a Right Handed Player is Left, then it's just off the Left Side of the Path.
From there, there is a One Club Length Relief Area.
While the ritual was hurried, it was a Legal Drop.
The vast majority of the Time the *NPRC* will be on the Left Side of a Cart Path for a RH Player.
Neil’s not having a good day!
Neil is very unlucky