YOUR GOLF RULES QUESTIONS... ANSWERED!! (2019)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- ► At the start of 2019 we saw major changes to the rules of golf. In a bid to make the game as accessible as possible to new players and speed up the overall time it takes to play, a raft of major changes came into play at the start of 2019 that would affect professionals and amateurs alike. The dust has now settled after a year of the new rules of golf and this has given way to a run of frequently asked questions about certain areas. In this video Neil Tappin and Jezz Ellwood answer some of your questions related to the new rules - they run through what you are and are not allowed to do in certain situations to help you navigate what is often a confusing and potentially damaging area of the game!
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Hi Neil. So glad I discovered your channel. Sensible advice for better golf, I play 99% of my golf on my own (I much prefer to go round 18 on my own than with anyone else) and leaving the flag in for putting has speeded things up significantly as you can imagine. Thanks again
Surely if you're playing by yourself, you'd have just left it in anyway?
Hi Dave. No I didn't (possibly weird?!?). I use Arccos so even though playing 18 on my own I religiously took the flag out and putted until dead. This then gave me accurate information about my putting stats. Now I can yank the stick out as I pass or leave it in with Impunity and know that my putting figures are ok. Thanks though it's a good point! Best
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I appreciate your efforts to inform and educate the masses on the rules changes. However, I am afraid I have not seen any improvement in pace of play from the rules changes. With 5 min search my group used to get let through more often than not if the group in front was searching for a lost ball, whereas now it is 3 mins this is no longer the case; flag in v flag out (and let's not forget it can still be attended) can slow things down more than it speeds things up, particularly when playing with fellow competitors whom you do not play with regularly; and dropping from knee height v shoulder height makes little if no difference as under old rules let's not forget that the ball could roll a further 2 club lengths outside the relief area (no nearer the hole), which it now cannot.
Slow play is caused by slow players, regardless of the rules (most don't know them properly anyway!) because they are not aware and ready to play, walk slowly etc. A change that would make a major difference would be to mandate and enforce via penalties the pace of play recommendations set out in Rule 5.6. Difficult in practice I appreciate, but most slow play culprits are probably oblivious and couldn't care less anyway unless and until they are actually penalised.
Finally, without wanting to be picky and to avoid someone having an argument with me who only watches these types of videos rather than taking the time to acquaint themselves with the actual rules, where you say in the video at 14.46 that the ball is holed because a substantial part of it is below the surface of the putting green, the actual rule states that "If any part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green, the ball is treated as holed..."
Thank you for your comments, and yes, we could have worded that part a little better
I always thought that taking the flag out was ridiculous when you are playing by yourself. Good change
I played the other day where I and one other wanted it out and the other 2 wanted it in.
Took twice as long to put out Not speeding up play
Yes, there will be times when that is the case for sure, but overall we think it's a positive change
Were all 4 people in your group selfish and mute? Unable to communicate and help each other out?
Rule 43 C applies here: When the greenkeepers dog eats your Ham n eggplant sanger, be sure to stand windward of the hound for about two days,yup indeed ! You can of course give the hound a well appointed kick up the arse! Often sorts out this kind of issue
Another issue with holing out putts with the flag in, not so much people pulling the flag with the ball in the hole, but people sticking their whole hand in the hole grabbing the ball and damaging the edge of the hole. Versus just two finger grab of the ball.
At long range I leave the flag in. Close to the hole, if the shadow of the flag flapping is close to the line (distracting) I have flagstick out. Certainly, not having to wait for someone to attend the flagstick, can speed up play.
The flag thing makes play easier if in a 2 ball your both a way from the hole .Not having to tend the flag .Like that .Then common sense .
I once had a ball plug in the rivett about 8 inches above the sand, and none of us knew what the ruling was on this?? (the face was vertical, and the ball unplayable)
I have commented on this scenario in response to Mark Liversedge's comment above.
Putting with the flag in can be tricky when the wind is blowing. I had a gust of wind move the flagpole and knocked my ball away when the ball was literally falling into the hole. So when the wind is blowing, particularly towards or across my line, I tend to take the flag out. Don't think it has altered rate of play that much at all.
Wise advice - we know a lot of people who generally now putt with the flagstick in who still want it out if the wind is causing the flagstick to lean towards them
Saw a double hit on a putt last Saturday and have seen it before. Putter catches up with the ball. No penalty this time which was just as well as the player still four putted without the penalty.
Hi, I thought it was any part of the ball below ground in the hole and not the majority of the ball, also I didn't know about plugged lie in the rough so thanks for that. Is it illegal to putt with the flag resting on my shoulder and why?
Serious note here. Our daily four ball (all retired) counted the number of times in one week that the pin deflected a putt that should have gone in. 23 deflected putts in a week. Surely this is an argument that says pin out every time?
Can you walk along the line of your putt to assess the break?
The fairway divot ... nothing worse than smoking a drive to find your ball in a MAN MADE divot ... think a rule on this should be considered ...
....what a smoking drive? I've never seen one of them.....yet
i've always has the flag out when i putt as i have had the ball hit the pin and bounce back out....or even skim off to one side... dont want to risk it
Double hitting chips isn’t an embarrassing thing to do.....
When you do it as often as I do, it becomes second nature😳😳🤣🤣
The damage to the hole when putting with the flag in is more likely to occur when getting the ball out with your hand while the flag is still in the hole..
Yes, possibly - think it could occur in both ways but it's just a matter of golfers taking care really
Golf Monthly .... Agreed...
But as they (or to many of them) don’t repair pitch marks or rake bunkers I’m sure they actually don’t care😉😉
My foursomes partner was looking for his ball which was under leaves when he trod on it. Clearing the leaves the ball was now severely plugged and because we didn't know if it was was plugged before he trod on it and it had obviously not moved our opponents said play it as it lyes. Luckily my ball was on the green and we made the half. Should he have taken relief as the ball was plugged?
The 18th on my local course has netting which separates the fairway and the driving range. About 1 yard in from the netting is the out of bounds white stakes. I have just been informed that if my ball either hits the netting or netting posts then bounces back in then it is still out of bounds with penalty. Is this correct?
Unless it's covered by some local rule, I don't see how it would be out of bounds, if the ball doesn't lay in an out of bounds area.
IF a Ball goes OB, hits Something and bounces back In Bounds you are Good to Go.
Ball has to be At Rest OB to be OB.
what about cleaning the ball after a plugged lie in the rough?
Surely if you've picked up the ball for a free drop, you can clean it?
@@jameskerr7828 I think you are correct. Put another way, I don't think there is a rule that you CAN'T clean it so therefore it seems acceptable to do so.
It is permissible to clean the ball when lifted for "embedded" situation. Always has been.
Yes you can and you can also substitute the ball if you wish.
Here's one I'm curious about. If you accidentally move your ball with a practice swing or while addressing it can you replace it without penalty?
Not sure of this for definite but I think this only applies on the tee or on the green. Through the green there is no penalty if the ball returns to its original position - otherwise it counts as a shot. (???) 🤔👍
Hello there - this would depend on what part of the course you were on. If you were on the teeing area or putting green, there would be no penalty, but anywhere else on the course there would be and you would have to replace your ball before then playing it. This sums it up pretty well... www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/articles/2019/04/golf-rules-hitting-ball-with-practice-swing-zach-johnson-masters.html
In the example of the ball being stuck in the hole with the flagstick still in, you said that if a substantial part of the ball is in, then it is holed. That’s wrong, because according to the rules of golf 13.2c. If any part of the ball is below the green. It is holed out.
So now I’m wondering, what else are you wrong about in this video?
Many thanks for your comment. We didn't say 'if' in relation to our specific scenario, which happened to show a ball substantially below the level of the hole, but you're right - we could have worded things a little better there. As you say, when the ball is resting against the flagstick, if any part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green, it is considered holed
Just out of curiosity regarding the play in bunkers. So if the ball is unplayable you can take it out in line with flag for 2 shot penalty but you can take it out and play it from the last position under 1 shot penalty. This surely doesn't make any sense.
It makes sense because option to replay from last position is stroke and distance which could be more than 200 yards away, versus a position in line immediately behind the bunker.
@@harrymelad942 thanks for explaining that I can see why the shot difference now. I just hope it's only a wedge shot that I put in the bunker and not a 5 or 3 wood.
In the regular group I play in everyone long putts with the flag in and takes it out for the second putts or a close putt. Except one who wants it in all the time, he is also the slowest player in the world and drives everyone else mad.
If you are plugged in a turf lip/face of a bunker and preferred lies are being played (e.g. winter) do you get a clean and free drop, and where should you be dropping if so or not?
Yes, clean it. If the ball is embedded, you don't need to invoke preferred lies.
@@Randsurfer but where to drop? in the bunker?
Mark, first of all I am assuming that the face of the bunker is turf rather than sand and that free relief for an embedded ball is technically available. This is a bit of a tricky situation that is covered in the Interpretations part of the Rules but not in the players' edition. It is subject to the size and shape of the bunker and whether you would be able to take relief in the general area (i.e. not in the bunker) not nearer the hole within 1 club length of the reference point immediately behind the embedded ball.
16.3b/C1:
Clarification: Player Not Always Allowed to Take Embedded Ball Relief:
If a player’s ball is embedded in the general area but neither the reference point nor any part of the course within one club-length of the reference point is in the general area, the player is not allowed to take free relief under Rule 16.3b.
For example, free relief is not allowed if:
- a ball is embedded at the very base of the lip, wall or face above a bunker,
- the spot right behind the ball is in the bunker and
- within one club-length of and not nearer the hole from that reference point, there is no part of the relief area that is in the general area.
The clarification does not, unfortunately, continue to tell you how to proceed and what penalties are involved if free relief is not available. However, it is my understanding (please anyone who knows better feel free to correct me if I am wrong) that if you are not able to drop within 1 club length on a spot in the general area then I believe that you would need to either play the ball as it lies or declare the ball unplayable and proceed under Rule 19. However, as the ball embedded is not in the bunker, one of the options would be back in line with the flag either inside (I know this sounds particularly inequitable and is not an option I would take in any case for fear of plugging in the sand) or outside the bunker under penalty of 1 stroke only. Other options would be 2 club lengths from the reference point not nearer the hole under penalty of 1 stroke or stroke and distance from place shot last played.
Sorry this was so long and hope it helps.
@@harrymelad942 Thanks, the preferred lies thing was where I'm kinda stuck. Should I be placing in the bunker? (i.e. no penalty)
@@MarkLiversedge I don't think that being plugged in the face of a bunker would qualify for a preferred lie, as it would not be considered to be on the closely mown area, so I think what I said earlier stands.
I think that the ball in the rough was not plugged - and your tip might therefore lead to confusion. My understanding is that if the ball is merely "plugged" in the rough, there is no relief. To get relief, the ball needs to be embedded in the ground/dirt under the grass. From the video it looked like you picked up the ball without pulling it out of the dirt; also the ball looked perfectly clean (when it typically would have some dirt on it in a plugged lie). I am concerned that a lot of people now will want to get relief for a lie that is simply "in the rough" and will try to drop it gently onto tight rough to get a good lie. Maybe I am missing something and comments/clarifications/corrections would be welcome!
We can assure you the ball was completely plugged as we spent some time stamping it into the ground as this was shot in summer and the ground was very hard, but it was our only opportunity to shoot this video (that is also why the ball looks clean). That said, the Rules of Golf consider this scenario, with the second diagram in the illustration on p100 of the Player's Edition replicating the scenario we had where the ball is not touching the earth, but is still considered embedded.
Try to get some bunkers for those discussions next time guys! Loving the flag in rule but have noticed most people aren't aware of it!
We will endeavour to do so - logistics for that particular shoot mitigated against it
@@GolfMonthly Twice in that section you described a loose impediment as something 'naturally growing'. This is misleading use of 'growing' and bound to confuse.
The local rule of the ball being out of bounds and allowing a two stroke penalty and placing back on the fairway no nearer the hole. What if the ball has gone out of bounds on an adjoining fairway. Do you place the ball back on the fairway you intended to play or the adjoining fairway nearest to where the ball went out of bounds?
If that Local Rule is in place - which is pretty rare we believe - you would drop back on your own fairway. You couldn't drop somewhere that is OOB as that other fairway would be.
@@GolfMonthly Thank you. The next fairway is part of the course then the OOB is left of that.
@@anthonyfoster5307 Ah, interesting - will need to doublecheck on that
@@anthonyfoster5307 Your dropping area will be from edge of OB near where you estimate the ball entered until the edge of the fairway of the hole you are playing: This is from the USGA website: "This option allows the player to drop in a large area between the point where the ball is estimated to have come to rest or gone out of bounds and the edge of the fairway of the hole being played that is not nearer the hole."
@@GolfMonthly see my reply to Anthony.
Dropping the ball from knee height. It has happened me a couple if times that since the drop is now not at the length of a fully extended arm, the ball actually rolls back and hits my own foot, before coming to a stop. Not sure what the rules say about that ?
Drop is not valid. Drop again. No penalty for hitting your foot. You can still hold the ball away from your body when you drop, just do it at knee height.
If the ball hits your foot after it has hit the ground, rather than on the way down, and remains in the relief area then the rules say that the ball is in play and you do not re-drop.
@@harrymelad942 Ian is correct, my mistake.
I was in a competition recently and asked for the flag to be tended and pulled out as the ball was struck but I was told under new rule it is either in or out no tending, is there some truth to this?
jelayne ... I’d say if you want it tended you can have it tended..
No - you may still have the flagstick attended - see Rule 13.2b
What is the rule of I hit my ball when making a practice swing ?
Replace ,no penalty .Any unintentional stroke .
@@bernardblood9447 thank you Len
This would depend on what part of the course you were on. If you were on the teeing area or putting green, there would be no penalty, but anywhere else on the course there would be and you would have to replace your ball before then playing it. This sums it up pretty well... www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/articles/2019/04/golf-rules-hitting-ball-with-practice-swing-zach-johnson-masters.html
@@bernardblood9447 That's not quite right, Bernard - see reply to original post
@@bernardblood9447 Wrong.
Leave the flag in, I miss the the hole with or without the flag.
In which case, nothing has changed :)
Good lord those dogs like to run @ 8:03
A golf course is a very exciting place if you're a pooch!
In my experience the flag rule has slowed play. Some want it in and some out, so in a 4 some it’s slower
if not just from asking "in or out?" all the bloody time ! :)
Yes, there will be times when that is the case for sure, but overall we think it's a positive change
The PGA needs to make a new rule ... If a golfer hits the fairway and lands in a divot, they should be allowed a free drop with no penalty!!!
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