Jesus Rebukes Big James and John ... The Chosen season 4 Episode 4 DEEP DIVE
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If someone you admired and respected told you they were deliberately going to a place to be mocked, tortured and killed, then be resurrected, you might not believe it either.
In episode 5 of season 4 Jesus says to his Emma... " hearing hard things sometimes makes people deaf". Sooooooo True!!!!
@@misspattifromcali.6955 "Ema" his mom
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Yup he said he was going to be tortured and killed very explicitly I might add and to them it must have been so unimaginably horrible that their brains just shut down and this was before his death and resurrection because nowadays we know that his suffering ended in triumph as prophesied but at this time it must a shock to the system.
@@RoyCyberPunk yes... Well said!! And also... They were so sure (because of what they had always been taught ) that the Messiah would be be a mighty warrior. It would have required an instantaneous paradigm shift in their mindsets to believe that he would be killed by the Romans. 🤔
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They were already understanding some of them that he wasn't going to be that type of messiah but beyond that they couldn't as I said the human brain itself shuts down when its exposed to really traumatic stuff and what he was telling was was deeply traumatic plus God himself hid the meaning of what Jesus was teaching
The whole time I was watching this in theaters I just kept whispering to myself, “James…John…don’t do it…don’t say it…” The secondhand embarrassment was strong in this scene. I love how Jesus is portrayed as being frustrated that they don’t get what’s about to happen to Him. No one really seemed to get it. I can only imagine how lonely that must’ve felt.
I can't even begin to imagine how it must have felt
I think too many of us read the words of Jesus like a fairy tale with emotion. This brings it home that Jesus was wrestling in his humanity about the cost of his obedience
I loves the face john makes when someone is hurting. He really cares and feels bad for hurting Jesus
The desciple that Jesus loved.
It was hidden, like a paradigm shift. Ill never forget coming to work the day my boss said a coworker was dead. The words just didnt make sense.
Sometimes moms give bad advice.
😅😅😅
Like for example this classic from Wokedom
"My grandmother told me it doesn't matter what they teach you at school all nations and tribes where Sub-Saharan African and all historical figures throughout all of recorded human history were as well until they were all genocided and all archeological and DNA evidence was magically erased"
One of them is Herodias. Tragic death of John the Baptist
@@RoyCyberPunkHuh?
Great comments about the apostles not understanding because it was hidden from them. Thanks for always referencing Scripture.
I was so second hand embarrassed for them😂
I knoooow I had to keep pausing it to cringe and than inch my way into it 😅😂
They were such a great group and it would have been more than they could have handled if they understood what was going to take place. They went on to be the ones who carried Jesus ' teachings on to us. Praise be to God. His plans are perfect, even when He works them through imperfect humans.
Honestly, ALL of us are like them... We listen but do not hear what is being said. It's kind of the way we're wired. We all usually assume what is being said if for right now, and are physical minded... rarely kingdom minded... it takes training to understand. This is why there are literal training days for specific situations... hearing is kind of situational.
The mom giving “advice” but we all know that tone is used when it’s “not up for debate” 😂
This whole scene was extremely well done. ❤️
I think when we watch this and read it in the word we forget just how young the disciples were. Kudos to the chosen team and their more realistic depiction of the gospel but fact is, only Peter has to pay temple tax, meaning he was the only disciple over the age of 21 and many scholars believe that many of the disciples were between the ages of 15-17, they were babies (considered men only in their culture)
Thanks for taking the time and study of the Bible and watch the Chosen with us! I love it when you take us back to scripture and clear things up for us! Thanks
Maybe they're just like us. We don't get it, lots of times!
The Lord Jesus totally picked people like us as living examples of what not to do and what to do
They just don't understand Jesus. Thank you for explaining this scriptures. Great video.
I really appreciate your explanations. Not just this one but all of them. Thank you!
Man your deep dives are great!!!
I'm so glad I found your channel! I love the insight and explanations. Thank you!
😂you’re laugh makes me crack up
John was also the youngest,even in THAT inner circle and family he was the beloved as youngest children usually are 😅❤😂
I think "this saying was hidden from them, and they did not grasp what he said" because maybe if they did, they would have tried to stop it from happening, unlike Judas. This couldn't be allowed to happen because the will of God had to be done no matter what.
Season 2 is Sons of Thunder then I Saw You.
So they got their new name right before Nathaniel showed up.
Love this episode
Talk about a bad day at the office,,,,,
They asked stuff like that because they were basically teenagers... they also bragged about outrunning each other in the bible... lol and biblically it was their mom.
The way the show is showing it, it looks like the holy spirit did not want it revealed otherwise they would have tried to stop it. Look at what happened to peter at the last supper.
This scene is heartbreaking for Jesus.
I love it how you're still trying to make sense of a timeline (the chosen's) that doesn't make sense. ;)
I love this episode.
It is my favorite so far for season 4. 🥰
The mother of the sons of Zebedee, took her sons to Jesus one: Because they were not of age yet. Remember in Matthew 17:24-27, only two paid the temple tax, Jesus and Peter. The other were not of age. His other followers were young boys not yet men. And second to ask for something that was not for her to ask for. For she was asking for herself, not them.
What was of age? 30?
I can’t be too hard on Salome. She followed Jesus all the way to the foot of the cross.
Good Job 👍🏻 Brandon
You're the best we all love you ❤
Amen, Brandon! The church is built up by the foundation of faith!
Matthew 16:18 - "And I tell you, you are rock (Aramaic: Kephas/Cephas; Greek - Lithos, Petros; English: Peter), and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." With the new name, Simon/Cephas is now Rock, not pebble or small stone which some errant interpretations describe. This talk of the foundation of the Church has multiple layers. 1 Corinthians 3: 10-11 indeed speaks metaphorically of Christ as the foundation, but this does not discount other biblical passages in which others are also foundations, yet in different ways. 1 Peter 2:6 describes Christ as the Cornerstone, instead of citing him as the foundation (Isaiah 28:16). Ephesians 2:20 speaks of the household of God as being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with the prophets being not of the Old Testament but of the New age (Ephesians 3:5, 4:11). Revelation speaks of the New Jerusalem with the foundation as comprising the 12 apostles (the 11 plus Matthias). In conclusion, there are 5 foundations of the Church: In 1 Corinthians 3, Christ is the foundation of the local Church. In 1 Peter 2, Christ is the cornerstone of the Church. In Ephesians 2, Christ is the cornerstone with the apostles and New Testament prophets as the foundation. In Revelation 21, the foundation is the Twelve. And in Matthew 16, the rock is Cephas/Peter. (Submitted with scholarship from Jimmy Akin.)
historically, a mother's security and position was determined by the success of her sons.
I cannot imagine it being ANY worse than having your MOTHER WITH YOU!! What were they thinking!? The dear Savior is bearing such a horrible burden. Our dear Lord, in his humanity, must've been reeling as Jerusalem approaches. Precious Jesus, knows Judas is his betrayer, these 2 want their place in Heaven, along with their mother. He must feel so alone. ✝️
Loved this deep dive. You are also right that Jesus elevated them all not just Peter (Luke 10:19). Thank you
When Jesus tells them to go ahead and start out and he'll catch up... it's kinda like he just needs a break from them because he's frustrated by them, it kinda reminds me of in the Old Testament when God was journeying with them by a pillar and a cloud, and His frustration with their stubbornness
Poor Judas, he thought Jesus would fight the Romans, none of them got him really. Peter, in the Bible never said I'm sorry to Jesus, he had to come to him and ask him if he loved him. They hid even after he came back, the Holy Spirit really freeing them. My God, when I am weak and can't feel the fire sometimes, I think of them, so close they could see Jesus's toenails and they left him alone, left him scared, left him with a handful of people. Shocking when you think about it and I try to not feel bad when I fall, just try harder.
Yes I agree, I wish we had more conversations after he rose, who he saw, what he did the 40 days, how often was he there. I pray for Judas, if he was saved I would feel so happy, Jesus called him friend in the garden and told him to go at the Last Supper, told him to do it quickly. I wonder what went through Judas's head? His master told him he knew and go do it.
Wow thats crazy James and John on the left and right is amazing
Della Warren here. Hello
It's sad that their mother shows selfishness and prejudice!
Peter, the Apostle wrangler.
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I really wish i could step back and be there with them all , i wonder what would i have done or said. I cant wait to meet them ALL ONE DAY ❤
Why don't they get it at all...they left him alone, they left his mother Mary alone, except for John. I wonder how he felt? Mother Angelica from EWTN said Jesus had the patience of God for sure.
He is God so yeah
@@armandorubalcava5615 he needed it.
You are quite right and thank you for explaining and mentioning Luke 18. It was hidden from them.
since they CANNOT receive the things of the Spirit because the Spirit has not yet been given, would Jesus be annoyed, frustrated???
I dint think the request was really from the boys but rather the”pushy” mom
In the Bible it’s both
I have always wondered if Jesus is in fact God himself, then why would he say: "Where you will sit in the kingdom of heaven is not mine to grant."?
If Jesus was God himself, why wouldn't he say something like: "I will make the choice of who sits at right and left hand, but at a later time," or something like that?
I know the Trinity doctrine, but when I read the Gospels, to me there are too many times where Jesus either talks about either being granted authority, or being sent by someone else, not to mention the times when a voice was heard from heaven while Jesus was on earth, and the fact that Jesus said in the Garden of Gethsemane: "Let not my will but yours be done," All those instances to me debunks the Trinity doctrine.
That said, when Jesus says at certain points, "The Father and I are one," well to me that seems to indicate, based on the things I mentioned above what I noticed, to me I think that what Jesus really meant when he said: "The Father and I are one," is they're not one and same person, but rather they are one in agreement with how they view things and what should be done.
I don't subscribe to any denomination, but rather I try to look at everything from a point of logic, and to me as a simple layman, this is the logical conclusion.
Nathaniel came along in the 2nd episode of season two. Phillip brought him to "come and see ".
So.... It was quite awhile after John and big James. 💕
2nd episode of season 2 actually I was blanking in the moment lol. It’s one of my favorite episodes.
@@TheChosenSleuth Yea I spoke to soon... Sorry... I blanked too... Lol.... Love your channel!!!
But they are over reaching in any case, out of fomo.
Timeline wise though season 2 is only a few weeks or months into the ministry. So they both started right at the beginning basically.
@@TheChosenSleuth😊 yes... all that really matters though, is that they were
" THE CHOSEN "😊😊😊 Nathaniel is my favorite... He's so authentic!!! 💕
l _always_ remember the time you did this before Brandon. ''Who is being held hostage?'' Brandon: YOU! You DUMMIES! xD
I have not realized this was in Bible and I read the NT many times!
Hello Brandon
11:10 Actually, that idea came from George's interview in the 'Aftershow' of Episode 2. What he pointed out, though, was not left-and-right thrones but two parapets holding up flags of the castle, which was in the context of Peter being the castle's foundation rock. It was this picture where where George saw how THAT was inevitably fulfilled with the book-end deaths of the "Thunder Brothers."
It’s also hard for them to understand cause heaven wasn’t the same in there time as it was after Jesus died for our sin. How could any of them truly grasp it not including that things where hidden from them.
This would flow a bit better if you let the scenes play out for longer.
So its a combination of the human brain shutting down upin hearing horrendous stuff that's about to happen and God himself hiding what everything really meant so God's plan could proceed.
Yes even if they understood that Jesus had to die for our sins it would have been unimaginable for them to let Jesus do it even knowing that.
Sometimes moms advice isn't always good. Sometimes it will cuz someone to go the opposite direction
The last supper as well ain’t?
I see you use the you version bible app. Do you do reading plans with fans?
God hides things from us for His eternal purposes and our own good. You see it here and also in the fact that the Jews were blinded to their Messiah and still are to this day. Doesn't it make you WONDER what is hidden from YOUR eyes? It does me. A lot.
Thanks Brandon, why is Jesus so frustrated and hurt since He would know His Father’s plan?
Jesus wasn't created when He came into humanity; remember He "came forth from the Father" and was "born of the Holy Spirit."
... which is exactly why Brandon stops & corrects himself.
It reminds me of Isa 9: 6 - He was born (ie. created) as a child, but given as the (eternal) Son
I believe the disciples didn't get many of Jesus's message a direct statements about his death and Resurrection because the Holy Spirit had not come yet. The Holy Spirit brings understanding and when He comes they get understanding of what Jesus taught them during His earthly ministry.
I see that but why? 3 years of ministry and others seemed to believe more than the 12 with him, even the women who knew him.
@@workinprogress-ye5orI honestly think the 12 where being deliberately kept from understanding by god because if they knew what was gonna happen they would of all tried to stop it and more than likely would of all been killed in the process,when Jesus is being taken by Roman guards Peter chops one of there ears off and Jesus tells him off for it and heals him,mainly because if romans found out Peter did that he would of been killed and the entire church goes out the window😂the whole plan had to be executed the way it was and Jesus had to be alone for it all to work,it’s a crazy turn of events that unfold
@@workinprogress-ye5orbecause they would of tried to stop him,they where being kept from understanding by god by the looks of it,even when Jesus is captured and Peter slashes off a Roman guards ear Jesus tells him off for it and heals the guard,more than likely because if the romans found out Peter did that he would be killed on the spot and the whole church idea dies with him,so many things where in play that had to happen to get the story we have today
@@charlie94236 maybe but I feel for hm being almost alone and even after death, his tomb was not guarded by them, even afar. He never lied to them. No matter what Judas did possessed at the moment, even Peter had Jesus come to him and ask him 3 times if he loved him. He didn't say why no "I'm sorry" or "why weren't you there with John and my mother?| Total forgiveness.
@@workinprogress-ye5or I wonder if Judas betrayed him to try get Jesus to start the ‘revolution’ and fight back and when he seen him flogged and condemned to death he realised his mistake and took his own life with the guilt,will be interesting to see the chosen take on it
I honestly believe Jesus knew what they were going to ask I believe he just wanted for them to say it!
“Peter” was a play on words based on the revelation Father/Jesus gave him about the Identity of Father’s Son, The Slain Lamb, Who was going to reveal to All this Identity on The Cross: His Unconditional Love
Why would Jesus be upset with them if it is hidden from them?
He’s not upset with them, he’s frustrated I’m sure. Just a natural human emotion going through something like that
But why get frustrated if the understanding was hidden from them? Unless I'm getting that understanding wrong..anybody knows let me know..thnks
Do parents get frustrated when their children can’t understand what they’re saying?
@@TheChosenSleuththat makes sense but in the book which I'm probably not understanding fully...it said hidden as in God hidden it from them from understanding, because like you said if they truly knew they probably would try to stop it. So i was saying why God get frustrated if he knew they wouldn't understand that particular part of the message?
Forgot to add in God knew but also hidden it from them....thanks for replying love your videos. I learned a lot of things i didnt know was in the bible from watching your vids.
Why is Jesus closer to Peter and Matthew on the show and seems even to little James and Thaddeus, and not john (yet)?
That’s a source of frustration to me as well. There are a lot of moments that indicate Jesus & John are close, but we have to watch pretty carefully.
I do have a question… hoping it’s not a dumb one but I know God stopped them from fully understanding what Jesus was saying. Does Jesus know that? So is He really frustrated with them or with God? Or is He just frustrated that He knows they can’t understand and now He knows He will have to die to redeem is all? Sorry if this was already asked. I really love and appreciate your videos
Woah, what a mother 🥹 poor Jesus, then they got corrected & lost what Jesus related
Isn’t the person sitting on gods left hand - the arch angel Gabriel?
Am I not right that she is related to Mary?
Well if it was hidden from them didn’t Jesus know this?
Yeah but just because you know your kids can’t understand doesn’t make it any less frustrating.
@@TheChosenSleuth very true
Mark 10:35-40
39 They said to Him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink the cup that I drink, and with the baptism, I am baptized with you will be baptized; 40 but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared.”
We must remember that Jesus will be seated at the right hand of the Father. So John and James are going to run into a problem: for Jesus will be on his Father's right and only his left will be free. I think that's where the Twelve Thrones are going to be.
I have to wonder if Jesus would have had to be crucified if his apostles had gotten the teachings better!
Of course Jesus had to die. No matter his disciples response, Gods plan for redemption for man’s sin requires his sinless son to be sacrificed on the cross. The perfect lamb.
They are only human😅
They would have fought harder for Jesus to live and that couldn’t happen.
Is it my imagination, or are these title screens functioning as click bait? It one things to try to grab attention and garner interest, but the past few seem, to me, at least, to go beyond that…
It's just you.
@@robertcraigh73 ok, that’s why I asked…
I love Andrew characters but in the series, I do not see how John is most closer to Jesus. Maybe they should have made him like a Peter or they are trying to make John a person who claims it. But truly in other text is not stated other than John.
Well it's Dallas's interpretation but Jesus loved them all and John stuck by him which gave him maybe extra blessings along with Mary and others. To look down and see just one?
Jesus sits at the right hand of the father. They are literally asking to sit in between God and Jesus. Thats why its not his to grant it is Gods table they are referring to. And Jesus is telling them you are asking to take my place in the house of the Lord, to become the Messiah.
I'm curious as to how evangelicals view Jesus during his mortal ministry. Yes, he's GOD. I get that. In the Old Testament he's YHVH. He's the same GOD who spoke to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Some even hold to the notion that he's another iteration of the Father.
But what was he when he was he was walking the streets of Jerusalem as a mortal? Clearly he was in no position to answer prayers, nor was he aware of what was going on in Britannia or the other side of the Earth. But he clearly had insight on the people he was dealing with, person-to-person.
In other words, he was, to a certain extent, subject to the same limitations we mortals are. So what are your thoughts? To eat extent was he God and what extent, man?
What is the Bible verse that says the church was to be founded on Simon's proclamation? And where does it say the keys to the kingdom was granted to all of them? When the script says "all of you will be granted authority," you're basing that and agreeing with the script...not scripture.
Hopefully a constructive criticism; you interrupt too much. Let it play through, then talk about it.
Why do you have what seems like a nervous laugh when you're discussing these episodes, even the serious portions like James and John requesting to sit at the R and L hand of Jesus?
The pushy mom rofl
So you are saying the gospel of Matthew is incorrect and the script of the chosen is correct?! Wow
Not at all, I’m saying that is a literary style of the first century. This is what scholars believe Matthew did on purpose. During that time, if someone sent a friend or servant with a message, then it is as good as them going themselves.
The most wrong thing to think is that the TRUE YAHSHUA had a ministry for years - NO - HIS MINISTRY IS EXACTLY 490 days from the day he was baptised by John - declaring HIM "THE LAMB OF GOD" - until the day of Pentecost - when THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM CAME!!! To suggest the 3.5 year is a pagan teaching...it was deliberately put in the KJV but was NOT the true scripture.
Simon still wanted to omit the gentiles after the cross. Slow in understanding. And also true if “the church” today.
yes, they were thick in many ways and I was glad to one day have a priest that just didn't say to read the gospels (never should like a newspaper) but gave us information on when they were written, by whom (or who they thought) to what audience and what they might have emphasized more and detracted less because of that audience. It helps to see why things don't always line up and how the followers approached the teachings.
@@workinprogress-ye5or the church today still does not understand what happened at The Cross of Calvary, in through and by the physical Body of Jesus Christ, Father’s Slain Lamb, Grace so too is confused as were the early disciples/apostles/today’s pulpit - in all it’s forms.
Jesus saying "I don't remember that" and then admitting a moment later he's kidding. That would be a sin. Good thing that's not in the bible.
That is not a sin. Big difference in jokes and lies. God has a sense of humor
Exactly! Who could look at some of the silly, wild, and crazy creations He has made and not see God's sense of humor! We are made in His image and we have a sense of humor.
It's okay to have humor on the show, but maybe not on things he said like the wine/wedding.
i’m more interested with Thomas’ sulk feeling, as it is progressing towards the season finale 🥹 when & how will the chosen end it 🤔
If they follow Scripture, it won't end until after Jesus is resurrected and he puts his hand in Jesus's side.
@@GodTestsJob2006 not necessarily. That could have been a sort of "relapse" from the grief of Jesus' death. I heard in an interview that there will be a satisfying resolution to Thomas's arc this season.