Same here. If Hero would have continued to "abuse" the speed advantage of his army in game 5, I am sure he would have won this game. Serral was on the verge of losing. And only stabilized (and won) after hero no longer "abused" the speed advantage and just fought him head on.
I think I'm getting brain damage reading the takes on balance in these comments. Pros will tell you that PvZ is slightly toss favored in the current patch. Match was great btw. Hero really showing the strength of mobility in the toss late game army. Really impressive to see him fighting so well against serral
PvZ lategame is unwinnable for zerg if protoss plays it correctly and it has been for ages, just the protosses got even more buffs lately and still most of them are not able to control their HT in a way to not get constantly abducted or parasitic bombs in. In such a state, zerg needs to force a favourable lategame entry for themselves or win the game earlier and in that regards, protoss has been buffed continously for quite a while. PvZ is currently pretty protoss favoured, not just a bit and the lategame is solely decided on if the protoss is able to play good enough; if they fuck up with the HT or the oracles, they might just insta-lose, but if not, zerg slowly dies with no way out.
Man, this series really showed how op zerg spellcasters are. 2 fungals and 1 parasitic bomb did more than 5 storms inside of time warp. And that's not to mention neural or abduct value. You hear the casters like "He gets big storms all over the zerg army!" and maybe a single unit will die.
This was such a beautiful series, herO played so well, some of the best Protoss control I've seen in a while. 31:42 herO eating Serra's corrosive biles!
Serral uses every unit he has, he will even mirco and save a single zergling in mid game. Hero throws units from time to time, from zealot to disruptor. Although quite hard to manage, but many players move the distruptors to the front and exposed them.
Hero could have won the 5th game if he would have continued to use the strenght of his army: Being more mobile. He had Serral on the brink of defeat as long as he didn't fight head on. Then all of a sudden he stopped doing that and just fought - several times. And lost. In a "which unit is too strong" you need to take into account how mobile a unit is too. A unit may be extremly strong, but if it is slow af the enemy can just never give battle and whittle you slowly down. Like Hero did in game 5 for a long time.
It's funny to see that this Protoss late game style is more effective vs Serral's late game than Maru's, and that mid game blink timings from Protoss can be just as scary if not more than Terran's equivalent.
He had game 5 in the pocket too - Serral was almost dead, because heroes army was way more mobile and could nibble away on Serral again and again. Then hero stopped doing that and just fought - and lost.
Game 5: 1:30:50 HerO climbs back into the game from 60 supply deficit. 1:41:09 HerO works his way back into the game from 70 supply deficit this time. Is this also possible because Protoss is so unforgiving? Hero then makes the decision to switch to voidrays and carriers, (which according to you guys is a mistake), but then it still takes another 10 minutes before the game deciding fight occurs. Note that fight takes one and a half minutes to actually conclude (1:51:33 - 1:53:00). What loses him the games was the decision to switch to voidrays. I don't see how that strategical decision has to do anything with how the race works.
54:30 cmon rotti, you cannot neural a mothership and have not been able to for years at this point. To the people saying her0 gave it away in game 5: Not really. At some point, you cannot attack in two places at once anymore, because serral has all the bases in the bottom left and only needs minimal forces for the top right, should he build there. So the army cannot rotate around very much anymore.
Anyone else screaming for hero to clear that god damn creep on the bottom at game 5? Army with obs was there A LOT but still didn't get it till much later.
It’s strange that the game has no punishment mechanism for escaping. It should be set to cause four times the damage when facing an enemy with your butt. I’ve never seen a game that encourages escaping so much.😮
@@TheStargov Nope, even ghost are not as OP. Infestors are disgusting OP. For 100/150 and 2 supply only ! You get : +10 range !!! It can Fungle, Neural and Burrow ! I dont even speak about Microbial Shroud. Even worst for years, they even had a fourth OP spell, Infested terrans :/
Feel bad for herO. He played his hearts out against Serral and went further than any Protoss could. Now he's back to bottom of Knockout stages. This is bad tournament formatting.
@@N0noy1989 came on terran lovers for people like you this game is dead look at the views of this tournament as long as the protos lose you don't care if you're the only one who sees sc2 because the protos were nerfed beyond normal
Serral is too much strong but also not so enjoyable to watch, its like watch an AI playing perfect, always like inside a parameters... (i think serral is a machine.. no blood)
herO destroyed Reynor and Solar in this tournament. herO almost beat Serral. Also take MaxPax, who's very very far from reaching his peak strength, already very strong. And there are still many who lack brains saying that Zerg is OP. If Serral is Protoss, you'd also whine Protoss is OP. It's about the players.
Hahaha, keep dreaming fanboy 😂 Serral wouldn't do shit as Protoss. It's a problem of tools, not a problem of player ! Hero is just playing the weaker race vs Serral
Guys don't be stupid. SERRAL in a MILITARY now. They let him go to the championship like this time by time. HE DOESNT HAVE TRAININGS EVERY DAY LIKE BEFORE. The results what you see is because of no constant training.
The storm is a joke, it doesn't do any damage and since the protos have nothing to slow down, the templars don't do anything, not to mention that a flying lizard attracts a floating city with a tentacle lol, the mother ship, Another joke, the storm should do additional damage to all units that are not light fix this game now why no one plays anymore toss it's garbage
Zerg is still OP, mainly because of its spellcasters : - Queens (cheap, cost no gas, can defend almost anything, unlimited healing when numerous) - Infestors (Fungle (instant damage), Mind control, can move borrowed/hidden) - Vipers (can yonk anything, including motherships, can trade building health for mana --> unlimited energy) I dont even speak about the fact that top Zergs can see 70% of the map activity after 15 min :/
Yeah cause Ghost dont exist? Insta reinforcing your army in the battlefield with prism? Half u said is easily countered with proper micro. And u clearly forget the really important problem with Zerg: BAD ECONOMICS EFFICIENCY. U waste a lot of resources in units that if properly countered (not even hard) waste u a LOT of resources. U cant micro zerling or baneling to not lose them like u can with stalkers or marines. U are just delusional buddy. Accept u are trash in the game. Zerg, protoss and terrans have strengths and weaknesses, not perfectly balanced sure but not to the point of how much u all cry. Protoss can literally harass non stop early. Zerg need at least 2 queen to stop 1 oracle. U suck at the game period
Rotterdam is from the Netherlands, Pig is from Australia and yes, you do whine too much. Turn the sound off if you don't like the casters. I do that when State is casting...
I like this kind of passive advertising from sponsors. It was enough to make me pick up some Doritos when I was choosing a snack at the store.
This was an awesome series. I am a serral fanboy, but i do want to say hero was playing really well.
Same here. If Hero would have continued to "abuse" the speed advantage of his army in game 5, I am sure he would have won this game.
Serral was on the verge of losing. And only stabilized (and won) after hero no longer "abused" the speed advantage and just fought him head on.
He is a sole hope of protoss
This was an insane match. Both players brought their A game
This tournament has been insane so far
30:28 what a call by Pig, truly top tier commentary
31:08 I’m partial to this one
Love when Rott calls Pig Piggy 🤭😂
2 hours??? OOOOOK, GAME ON!
I think I'm getting brain damage reading the takes on balance in these comments. Pros will tell you that PvZ is slightly toss favored in the current patch.
Match was great btw. Hero really showing the strength of mobility in the toss late game army. Really impressive to see him fighting so well against serral
Nice zerg propaganda attempt - we all know zerg is the best designed race
Lying internet pros maybe. There is no counterplay to homing air storm, abduct or fungals and the resources lost tab always shows it.
PvZ lategame is unwinnable for zerg if protoss plays it correctly and it has been for ages, just the protosses got even more buffs lately and still most of them are not able to control their HT in a way to not get constantly abducted or parasitic bombs in.
In such a state, zerg needs to force a favourable lategame entry for themselves or win the game earlier and in that regards, protoss has been buffed continously for quite a while. PvZ is currently pretty protoss favoured, not just a bit and the lategame is solely decided on if the protoss is able to play good enough; if they fuck up with the HT or the oracles, they might just insta-lose, but if not, zerg slowly dies with no way out.
amazing series
Man, this series really showed how op zerg spellcasters are. 2 fungals and 1 parasitic bomb did more than 5 storms inside of time warp. And that's not to mention neural or abduct value.
You hear the casters like "He gets big storms all over the zerg army!" and maybe a single unit will die.
totally
yea imagine if time warp was instantaneous instead of that delay followed by storm. that's pretty much what fungals and parasitic bomb is.
great production, love watching these, and haven't played Starcraft2 in 10 or more years
This is what I want to see out of the TOP PLAYERS in StarCraft GG! Excellent plays with Excellent Commentation❤❤❤
This year they have all improved their strategies and speed and Serral is feeling the weight of this work
This was such a beautiful series, herO played so well, some of the best Protoss control I've seen in a while.
31:42 herO eating Serra's corrosive biles!
Compared to Dallas, Katowice Serral looks beatable.
He is in the military. He plays rare now. Just sometimes they let him go for championships like this one.
Recall is so op. You can easily destroy someone’s base and instantly go back into yours.
Game of the year for sure.
Serral uses every unit he has, he will even mirco and save a single zergling in mid game. Hero throws units from time to time, from zealot to disruptor. Although quite hard to manage, but many players move the distruptors to the front and exposed them.
While that's true, infestor viper too strong
Hero could have won the 5th game if he would have continued to use the strenght of his army: Being more mobile.
He had Serral on the brink of defeat as long as he didn't fight head on.
Then all of a sudden he stopped doing that and just fought - several times. And lost.
In a "which unit is too strong" you need to take into account how mobile a unit is too. A unit may be extremly strong, but if it is slow af the enemy can just never give battle and whittle you slowly down. Like Hero did in game 5 for a long time.
just wish that there was a little bit more time to see the reaction of players
It's funny to see that this Protoss late game style is more effective vs Serral's late game than Maru's, and that mid game blink timings from Protoss can be just as scary if not more than Terran's equivalent.
Yeah? Hero was 16k resources lost down vs zerg at the end of the game. That is very much a losing late game result.
This could have been her0's series if he didn't lose his void rays to corrosive biles. Just one mistake and it costed him the game.
Toss is the most unforgiving race when it comes to mistakes.
Zerg and terran can make tons of mistakes and comeback (queen injects/mules).
He had game 5 in the pocket too - Serral was almost dead, because heroes army was way more mobile and could nibble away on Serral again and again.
Then hero stopped doing that and just fought - and lost.
Game 5:
1:30:50 HerO climbs back into the game from 60 supply deficit.
1:41:09 HerO works his way back into the game from 70 supply deficit this time.
Is this also possible because Protoss is so unforgiving?
Hero then makes the decision to switch to voidrays and carriers, (which according to you guys is a mistake), but then it still takes another 10 minutes before the game deciding fight occurs. Note that fight takes one and a half minutes to actually conclude (1:51:33 - 1:53:00).
What loses him the games was the decision to switch to voidrays. I don't see how that strategical decision has to do anything with how the race works.
The single swarm host in game 5 wasn't a miss-click - it was being used to give visibility for the nydus.
Series of the year ez
That was intense!!
What an incredible series
Huge bile volley 31:41
Came here for that 😂
The reaction cam on Hero…😰
Dem, thats too much lost, i pity hero
HerO was an inch away. The Toss hope ❤
The real finals
lmao hero is fucking trash
54:30 cmon rotti, you cannot neural a mothership and have not been able to for years at this point.
To the people saying her0 gave it away in game 5: Not really. At some point, you cannot attack in two places at once anymore, because serral has all the bases in the bottom left and only needs minimal forces for the top right, should he build there. So the army cannot rotate around very much anymore.
what a sick serries!!
Bro i about cried at the ending :( He deserved that win.
Not really.
Nah, he played well but he ain't the 🐐
Anyone else screaming for hero to clear that god damn creep on the bottom at game 5? Army with obs was there A LOT but still didn't get it till much later.
Hero defeats himself more than his enemy does...
Zerg are imba so you need to nerf toss again just to make sure.
zerg spellcasters so OP
Great Series
why are some of the vods missing? they mention Serral losing to Clem on Day 2 but that's not in the playlist?
Last game the best game in this year.
There is nothing that one fungo cannot solve, if there is, then two
마지막판 다이긴경기를 왜 끌어가지고..
근데 다음에만나면 진짜 무적권 세랄잡을거같네
the last game is so incredible
Aw... Was really rooting for herO. He played his heart out beating cure amd reynor. It was his time to shine but serral is serral...
This match is the best PvZ.
It’s strange that the game has no punishment mechanism for escaping. It should be set to cause four times the damage when facing an enemy with your butt. I’ve never seen a game that encourages escaping so much.😮
this game is so good
Infestors can burrow, throw out fungal that slows the units and take damage...way too OP
Wait till you see Ghosts
@@TheStargov Nope, even ghost are not as OP.
Infestors are disgusting OP. For 100/150 and 2 supply only ! You get :
+10 range !!!
It can Fungle, Neural and Burrow ! I dont even speak about Microbial Shroud.
Even worst for years, they even had a fourth OP spell, Infested terrans :/
@jeepld lol, Ghosts basically single handedly invalidate 2 entire races.
Where is scarlett????
In my bed...))))
Why does the image quality look a bit blurry, even at 1080p?
would be nice if protoss could compete with the other races one day..
Hero would've won this series if it weren't for that insane bile volley that killed off his air units!@!!@! 😭
This was so fricken close...
Epic series
Doesn't it seem if herO goes void ray first he loses the game what if he starts 3 Oracle he wins
GO FINLAND!!!!!!!!!!!
GO SERRAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
30:00 that was a 4GG moment with the widow mines
Serral! Smile...😊to the camera!😂
31:40 oh heroooooooo
31:40 - 31:50, PAIN!!! 🫢
herO 😨😱😭
SERRAL!!!!
zerg’s late game spell casters are a cheat code
it is quite obvious that zerg is imba against terran
This isnt the best ive seen serral play tbh
HerO >.< tempest
in za top rait said...is Al Seraal :D
I'm a Terran player but I'm struggling to see what Protoss can do when its broodlord infestor...
oh this is nothing compared to the HOTS meta
Feel bad for herO. He played his hearts out against Serral and went further than any Protoss could. Now he's back to bottom of Knockout stages. This is bad tournament formatting.
Toss is trash nerfed this Game is garbage
@@unapodoahi Trash nerfed? Lol. herO almost beat Serral, and their actual skill gap is huge. Goes to show that Zerg is incredibly nerfed.
@@N0noy1989 came on terran lovers for people like you this game is dead look at the views of this tournament as long as the protos lose you don't care if you're the only one who sees sc2 because the protos were nerfed beyond normal
i feel sorry for Serral he always doing great things but don't be recognized properly always
I love this tournament formatting. Get good or get back in the line.
One of the best matches. I didn't expect herO to be soo good! I thought Serral would win without any problems!
Hero did very welllllllll
Zerg max air army will always beat Protoss max air army. Corruptors and queens need to be nerfed
Have you heard of storm or Archons? What are you even talking about zerg air is poop
@@tanzmanz3469 do you even watch StarCraft?
Serral is too much strong but also not so enjoyable to watch, its like watch an AI playing perfect, always like inside a parameters... (i think serral is a machine.. no blood)
lol, did u watch him playing against clem... clem is the real insane AI when on fire
@@yurihung9244 How many Clem won Serral? How many times SErral won games against Clem. Check it and than say something wise,
🔥🔥🔥🔥
herO destroyed Reynor and Solar in this tournament. herO almost beat Serral. Also take MaxPax, who's very very far from reaching his peak strength, already very strong. And there are still many who lack brains saying that Zerg is OP. If Serral is Protoss, you'd also whine Protoss is OP. It's about the players.
Lmao Serral wouldn't win shit as Protoss.
@@commissar6860I’ve wondered about that before. Someone should host a mandatory off race tourney and see how it shakes out.
Serral playstyle doesnt suit protoss.. he would lose easily
Hahaha, keep dreaming fanboy 😂
Serral wouldn't do shit as Protoss.
It's a problem of tools, not a problem of player !
Hero is just playing the weaker race vs Serral
Bruh those biles ….
最後一場證明 出航空母艦根本沒屁用
herO is HERO
Abduct already op, can take momma ship, then zerg is given fungal and mind control. Wheres the balance?
Spoiler blocker
Is PiG a big pig, like a boar, or is he like a small piggy? Need to know, can't sleep at night.
Serral neural Mothership would have been so sexy
Winfestor viper is totally broken. Fungal, parabomb, neural, abduct (that works even on massive units)... just insane
Rotterdam, take a break.
Lol that is why zerg is op.
No one win Clem now he god
이걸 야기서 보면 되겠다
pig best caster by far
Desperately unfunny & never shuts up - even that would be barely tolerable but his voice is so obnoxious it should come with a health warning
Serral looks tired and stressed as heck. Must be tough playing tournaments when you're doing your military service, even if you're in a special group.
buff terran
Guys don't be stupid. SERRAL in a MILITARY now. They let him go to the championship like this time by time. HE DOESNT HAVE TRAININGS EVERY DAY LIKE BEFORE. The results what you see is because of no constant training.
Spoiler block
Worst commentator ever brings back artosis and tastosis
Every crybaby "zerg is op". Look at the last 2 code s results. Seems very balanced.
The storm is a joke, it doesn't do any damage and since the protos have nothing to slow down, the templars don't do anything, not to mention that a flying lizard attracts a floating city with a tentacle lol, the mother ship, Another joke, the storm should do additional damage to all units that are not light fix this game now why no one plays anymore toss it's garbage
Late game from Zerg is a joke OP, hero tried every single composition, this is really pathetic
her0 lost because he's infinitely worse than serral.
@@ff_s_yes infinity worse, 5-4 and 2 maps serral just turtle 😂😂😂
Zerg is still OP, mainly because of its spellcasters :
- Queens (cheap, cost no gas, can defend almost anything, unlimited healing when numerous)
- Infestors (Fungle (instant damage), Mind control, can move borrowed/hidden)
- Vipers (can yonk anything, including motherships, can trade building health for mana --> unlimited energy)
I dont even speak about the fact that top Zergs can see 70% of the map activity after 15 min :/
Yeah cause Ghost dont exist? Insta reinforcing your army in the battlefield with prism? Half u said is easily countered with proper micro. And u clearly forget the really important problem with Zerg: BAD ECONOMICS EFFICIENCY. U waste a lot of resources in units that if properly countered (not even hard) waste u a LOT of resources. U cant micro zerling or baneling to not lose them like u can with stalkers or marines. U are just delusional buddy. Accept u are trash in the game. Zerg, protoss and terrans have strengths and weaknesses, not perfectly balanced sure but not to the point of how much u all cry. Protoss can literally harass non stop early. Zerg need at least 2 queen to stop 1 oracle. U suck at the game period
Not to forget that the only vision protoss can get costs supply and a lot of gas.
for some reson its 3 2 (not 3 0)
Clem 3-0'd Serral, clearly Zerg UP and Terran imba!
they need to make emp not strip all our shield first
zerg imba..... queen op, un asco de balance
one commentator with a stuffy nose. the second with a terrible accent. where is this couple from?
I think PiG is from USA, don't know the other one.
Rotterdam is from the Netherlands
You whine too much
Rotterdam is from the Netherlands, Pig is from Australia and yes, you do whine too much. Turn the sound off if you don't like the casters. I do that when State is casting...
Some of the best casters we have.
Obviously is seeerrrrrral so strong, weak herO needs to practice more against Serrallllll🥰