+PT82 well in croatia there are tons of them with oem exhaust, i dunno how it is in the rest of europe...but people who buy these cars here dont have a need to show off with fart can and over sized shinny rims ^^
My mistake, I meant best looking Civic, not Honda overall. However Preludes are ugly and the front of the S2000 is not on par with the rear. The NSX is leagues above though.
I had an ep3 15 years ago and reluctantly sold it to get a family five door! I can’t tell you how much I missed it! I didn’t realise how special it was until it was gone! I soon realised I was literally in love with it! I went out and bought another one exactly the same and have driven it ever since! I’d never sell it! Ep3s are epic and in my view a future classic
yeah I think these guys videos need more obvious illustration of driving skill/ability of the car. They're great videos, but I was expecting a proper track battle on this one! As in, on a track. Like Autocar do, but with CTs creative edge and more focus on the car doing the work rather than just being told that it can do it. No offence CT. But I don't feel it was the meal I was expecting :)
+Talon276 i got the same feeling out of my honda fit sport .... its so light , that event at 120bhp you felt like a race car driver taking those corners as fast as you can while doing the lift off oversteer , awesome....
The S2000 initially used a longitudinally mounted F20C, which is a different architecture to the transversely mounted K20A3 in this Civic. The F engine and the K engine share some engineering, but is still a different architecture. The F20C also had a compression ratio of 11.5:1 and a much higher redline of 9200 rpm, and the K20A3 had a compression ratio of 9.8:1, and only revved to 6800 rpm. The S2000 then went to an F22C1, which was a reworked F20C, but the compression ratio went down to 11.1:1, the redline was moved down to 8200 rpm, and obviously there was larger displacement, hence the 22 in the name (2.2 liters). I'm sorry, but you're wrong, the two engines are not the same.
@@dawsonjohannes613 You are wrong as well. This has the K20A2 not 3 and revs over 8000. If you're going to copy and paste, at least source the correct information.
@@dawsonjohannes613 the tone of my correction was similar to yours when you responded 4 months after the comment that you were attempting to correct. Just because you patronisingly used the word "sorry" when attempting to correct the other person, doesn't meant that you werent being an "ass" either.
+Car Throttle Heres a thing, If you take a bugatti veyron engine, and start it up, it will burn, without the massive cooling system, that just makes that car, really dependent of cooling systems, so why not make a old style v8 or v12, 200mph+
everyone knows the EP3 is the best hot hatch in the UK, it might not be the fastest, but it gives maximum smiles per gallon!! I have a silver facelift :)
Sir Toyota is very good also but Honda i Think that is better, Honda civic is very important in kanjo culture also Honda was the First brand to introduce valve Timing and Lift control (Aka vtec)
+OfficialDeathCenter well its hard to say what's best i've seen plenty of Camry and Accords blowing past 400,000 miles on the road 1980's and up. I think in terms of general perspective TOYOTA and HONDA are bar even I love them both to death 😹
+Cornwall1888 there good fun and 50 mpg when your thrash it but your playing with 100 bhp which is lame. In the process of a turbo and exhaust upgrade at a specialist in Guildford next month. Do recommend driving one although no Vtec shenanigans.
Right now, the EP3 Type R is my attainable dream car, I fully intend to buy one as a second car when I can drive. Everything about it is what a hot hatch should be; - FWD - Manual only - High revving N/A i4 - Lightweight - Independent rear suspension - It's small, not a stupid saloon sized hatchback like the new one - The styling is almost perfect, it's simple and has a nice shape versus the stupidly overstyled new one with all it's fake vents and oversized rear wing It's truly a great car and a definite future collector's item, seeing as almost none of them are stock anymore.
Love the FK2 but being turbo'd will never be a true type r like the ep3, which has so much spirit and soul. The k20 is the greatest mass produced engine in the world, just sublime. K pro the ep3 with breather mods and I would take that all day! But I don't have to, because I own one!! Love a cosmic premier!
+TassieLorenzo I realise this, but as I said it is turbo'd and will never be looked at as a true K20 screamer! Fantastic machine though. Seen a couple up close but not been out in one yet.
Late to the party but you're thinking of the jdm car I think maybe, higher rev limit. 8200 is the rev limit isn't it on the euro cart? Source: I have one
I wonder what kind of tires are on the ep3. That can account for a considerable amount of performance difference, especially if the owner has some crappy all-seasons on it.
+Andrew Robinson comes standard with decent tires id imagine, its a new car, very track focused. those tires would likely be road legal slicks with more ideal characteristics in the rain...
Of course i'd take the EP3, last year i raced one in an 1.8 MX5 NB, and boy that car looked sexy dancing all over the place! Got my ass kicked on the straight, that's v-tec for you...
Better to test a proper JDM EP3 type R i reckon Its got about 30 more hp, more torque and a helical LSD which all would make a fairly big difference on a track
whoever idea it was to do the sound effect of like playing water glasses or if its part of the song for the intro, my speakers were playing it and my fucking god it is so cringy and high frequency making my ears bleed
- Jake - maybe so, but ive literally never had any problems with sounds like those. I just know it felt like the quality of the sound was so trashy and recorded on like a piece of crap. Cause i can just pull up a video on youtube right now with water glasses and itll sound fine and not ear shattering
Love the ep3 type r simple fun and not full of plastic interior exterior trim. simple clean lines defiantly a future hot hatch classic. I plan to buy one this year to replace my e30 touring
and the new R has been clocked at 5.2 and 5.3 0-60 and getting the old ep3 in low 6secs is no problem at all so unless you are running in some high altitude those were rather sad attempts at 0-60 in both cars.
I've never left a comment on TH-cam before, but i have to say, this video was amazing! perfect choice with the ep3! I always said the type r died after the ep3. but maybe the 2015 type r has pulled it back.. I just hope they don't forget what made the type r what it was!! when i hear that vtec crossover it always makes me smile
Totally agree with him on the looks of the EP3, something about the new Type R just gives me the impression of "another one of those Nurbugring cars". Not hating, I still think it's an awesome car
I really like the new car, I appreciate what its capable of and from an engineering standpoint its a marvel, but given the choice i'd have to take the ep3 as well, I'm not really sure why but it just screams fun, whilst the new one is a more serious racer, and being an EJ9 owner myself lightweight, not much power and a good chassis is unbeatable for fun in my opinion. Awesome video guys, keep at it.
Upshifting a bit below 8k rpm on the ep3 means you fall out of vtec on the next gear , which is why you did 0 to 60 in over 7 seconds. You need to almost hit the limiter at 8250 rpm in this car if you want to do sub 7 seconds.
why won't Honda make a rwd sports car it would sell probably out sell any entry-level sport coupe on the market would probably be a gem to drive, and Honda it's 2015 vtech isn't impressive anymore and you're just beating it to death
1st of all your comment is pointless cause they made one... Its called the s2000 2nd the engines arnt made by the popular electronic company "vtech" they use a vvt system called "vtec" that when at higher rpms, lifts the valves higher (and i think i little longer) to make more power making it have better fuel economy, also how the fuck is more power annoying? almost every single car nowadays uses vtec, they just call it something else, usually vvti
+adam1991miata a lot of other car manufacturers use variable value timing it's the norn but Honda treats it like it's some magic wizard power than only Hondas have and no shit I know about the s2k but the stopped making them for no reason and there missed Honda needs to pull their heads out of their ass and make a real sports car that people want
Love the video great job, but what i really want to see is this new FK2 Type-R vs a FD2 Type-R i really want to see how they compare to each other because that FD2 was no joke, especially the Mugen RR version. Damn i miss Best Motoring i know they would step up to the plate.
He's right in that if you're a proper driver, it doesn't take long to fall in love with the EP3. It's so much fun pushing its limits and if you're good enough, like he said, the modern ones can't shake it. So rewarding!
Mike Hunt Agree totally, don't get me wrong the latest type R is epic but the ep3 has soul and feels like nothing I've ever driven; especially on Broads. I imported the ep3 JDM and it's phenomenally quick on a twisty road - it would surprise a lot of more powerful cars.
Not sure I agree. Its a great car, but is a little dated in many ways. I just wish they'd make a new Civic with everything which made the EP3 (and Civics previous to the EP3) so great. The latest Civic isn't much smaller than an old Accord now.
Great video and very honest N/A fun to drive and speed through corners is irreplaceable ! And after all I dont want car which drive me with all those electronics I want to drive it if its sports car like TypeR is and btw i also dont like look of that new R minivan with 5 doors (looks like early 2000 Seat Leon Cupra with more aggressive spoilers (ricer look) Long live N/A throttle response , new years will be hard with all those manufacturer go for lower co2 i hope they will not forget that true fun driving machine is always N/A machine
You say the FK2R is a bit dull and does everything for you... But surely it's still more fun and involved than a Golf GTI or Audi S3 or something like that? :)
You have used a European market EP3, instead of the hotter Japanese spec EP3. Which is fine. :) But the JDM EP3 is a fair bit sharper and a bit faster than the EDM Ep3. I also think it's quite unfair you dismiss the FN2 so readily, when the FN2 has: - helical LSD from 2010+ like the Japanese market Type Rs, - better gear ratios, - the engine is actually improved, though it's not obvious by the spec > it has more mid-range torque and would have 7% more power if not for the power-sapping balance shafts that were added to the engine (so it has +1bhp, but actually it has balance shafts added that take away 15hp.. so really the engine had been improved over the European market EP3 version). Whereas the FK2R contains the hardcore DNA of Japanese Type Rs and the features and practicality of Euro spec cars, now all in the one car. :)
This is what it's about! Real world reviews, not based on a biased opinion.. great work! Cool to see the ep3 still has the fun factor! (the ep3 you used was identical to my old one) :)
beautiful video , guys, honestly, you did a very good car review on both, you remained unbiased throughout the whole video, and you put a lot of production value in the video, always love your videos, theyre just so fun to watch and a lot of times i learn some things, i hope you guys reach all your goals in life
I really want a new Type R if they ever decide to import them to North America (they're supposed to but who knows) but I wouldn't want to drive it in the snow during winters and I don't know if I'm willing to replace my EP3 summer car with the new model.
***** This is what hatchbacks look like, just look at the Ford Focus or the Toyoa Auris. The 9th gen Civic (in this video) is an evolution of the 8th gen design, and it's very similar in most regards.
Nice comparison. I have (from new) a 2003 EP3 with 193k on it. Drive it daily. Only a new NSX or a bargain Skyline would tempt me to sell it ! Still get 6.5 to 60 and 38mpg. I have never had a single problem with it. Not one. So your video has probably stopped me spending 30k on a new one. Now about that NSX...
- Jake - Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with the last one, it went so downhill. From 3 wheeled madness to... well I don't know what. But the new one is a great improvement for sure!
my 2002 ep3 still kick some ass on the nurburgring !!! like you say, it a lovely little car, who give a great reward to it's driver, if you know how to take her.
I love this, very well done! I drive a Civic EP2 myself, its a really really fun car, its fast (even if it has only got 110hp) and I can afford it as a 19 year old. I love these old Hondas.
i have had a ep3 type r since 2002 and will never NEVER NEVER NEVER sell ever ever ever ever offer me 100 thousand pounds if you like not even close ! . my father in law had a porsche boxster s and my best memory of chasing him down a motorway will live with me forever could he drop me NO the civic type r ep3 is a god! The ep3 is a fantastic car i will never sell. from my cold dead hands you will have to take it until then drive the crap the world will let you!
EP3 with a few subtle engine mods to get it into the 240BHP region, some Michelin cups, LSD, sorted suspension and I think on the track it would be a lot closer than people think! All for less than 10 grand!
Weren't some episodes of Thunder Races shot in the area where you tested? Looks similar. And I agree with your decision, I'd take EP3 too, that car is legendary, current model will be forgotten in 10 years.
I agree with you and as we know it technology will always keep advancing to cars. I used to owned a 1991 hatchback Si and it was super fun to drive. In todays world we just want all the tech goodies in our cars, sadly but true.😤
if you guys ever do a review on the new golf r wagon wolfsburg edition, you should compare it to the 2010 passat r36 wagon, that would be an awesome video!!!
Nice to see car throttle are not dicks about Hondas like most
yeah the only people who hate Honda has never had experience with one
I've worked on one at my dads car shop. I got to test drive it after we fixed it and it was fun and it was manual.
+just another car guy Exactly, once you've owned one, or even driven one, most other cars pale in comparison.
+Matt Campbell yeah. another reason why I love hondas. The older ones are manual
+Desu Gun heck I haven't driven yet but my dad's civic was awesome! he sure drove it like a boss and it was super fun to ride in
An EP3 with a standard exhaust. Thought they were extinct!
+PT82 nope mine does too, there still a couple out there!
+PT82 When the boy racer era dawned on us, these were a little out of their price range. theres actually quite a few out there.
+PT82 My EP3 is totally original. Except for the air box. Induction sound is gorgeous on these. No need for a 5 inch tailpipe lol.
+PT82 well in croatia there are tons of them with oem exhaust, i dunno how it is in the rest of europe...but people who buy these cars here dont have a need to show off with fart can and over sized shinny rims ^^
Yes you lot show your age.
Mini fist bump when he liked the EP3 more, yay.
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam Right back at ya!
+Alex Kersten Phil or the EP3? ;)
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam SPOILERS!
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam idk why but the way he said it brought a tear to my eye...
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam i like the EP3 more tbh
I've replaced Top Gear with Car throttle now...
Personally I think the EP3 is by far the best looking Honda they ever made
+DildosForChristmas no, it's the 8th gen!
+DildosForChristmas
Preludes, integras and the s2000 both look better than any civic...
My mistake, I meant best looking Civic, not Honda overall. However Preludes are ugly and the front of the S2000 is not on par with the rear. The NSX is leagues above though.
+DildosForChristmas In my opinion the 1997 EK9 looks the best.
JustARandom I like it too but it's just too wide at the back. It looks like it's got a huge ass. The facelift EK9 looks awesome at the front though
EP3 is a legendary car.
FK2 is a turbocharged Honda Jazz with adaptive dampers. FK8 is really the car to go for, FK2 just...wasn't it.
I had an ep3 15 years ago and reluctantly sold it to get a family five door! I can’t tell you how much I missed it! I didn’t realise how special it was until it was gone! I soon realised I was literally in love with it! I went out and bought another one exactly the same and have driven it ever since! I’d never sell it! Ep3s are epic and in my view a future classic
Price is sky rocketing now mate! You still got it?
Show us some lift off oversteer clips then....?
yeah I think these guys videos need more obvious illustration of driving skill/ability of the car. They're great videos, but I was expecting a proper track battle on this one! As in, on a track. Like Autocar do, but with CTs creative edge and more focus on the car doing the work rather than just being told that it can do it.
No offence CT. But I don't feel it was the meal I was expecting :)
yeah lets see some oversteer in a front wheel drive cars with medium ranged bhp
+scooked films It's very, very easy to do. I got oversteer in a 0.8 litre Daihatsu once.
+lgliam yeah.. and I oversteered my old dodge stratus... you can do it, but there's no point with a front wheel car.
+Talon276 i got the same feeling out of my honda fit sport .... its so light , that event at 120bhp you felt like a race car driver taking those corners as fast as you can while doing the lift off oversteer , awesome....
My love for 90s and 00s Hondas is just so enormous it makes me giggle.
One day I will buy an extremely low mileage S2000 just to look at. Haha
EP3 all day. Fuck a turbo.
So if the EP3 had a turbo, you wouldn't like it?
Steven Slead No. For some reason I prefer Hondas to be naturally aspirated, or supercharged.
And it's a shame that the Euro EP3 only got the K20A2 and not the legit K20A.
+GT6SuzukaTimeTrials Lol still better then USA's A3
+GT6SuzukaTimeTrials says the guy that can't turbo
Props to Honda that the EP3 got 200hp with no turbo and only 4 cylinders by 2 liters!!
EdoGaming 240HP in the S2000. Same engine
The S2000 initially used a longitudinally mounted F20C, which is a different architecture to the transversely mounted K20A3 in this Civic. The F engine and the K engine share some engineering, but is still a different architecture. The F20C also had a compression ratio of 11.5:1 and a much higher redline of 9200 rpm, and the K20A3 had a compression ratio of 9.8:1, and only revved to 6800 rpm.
The S2000 then went to an F22C1, which was a reworked F20C, but the compression ratio went down to 11.1:1, the redline was moved down to 8200 rpm, and obviously there was larger displacement, hence the 22 in the name (2.2 liters). I'm sorry, but you're wrong, the two engines are not the same.
@@dawsonjohannes613 You are wrong as well. This has the K20A2 not 3 and revs over 8000. If you're going to copy and paste, at least source the correct information.
@@Visual_Ghoul You're right. I don't really know what I was on about 5 months ago. Must've had one too many. No need to be an ass.
@@dawsonjohannes613 the tone of my correction was similar to yours when you responded 4 months after the comment that you were attempting to correct.
Just because you patronisingly used the word "sorry" when attempting to correct the other person, doesn't meant that you werent being an "ass" either.
The video edit/shoot skills are too good.
+- Jake - You're right. We should fire Ethan to give everyone else a chance ;)
Alex Kersten Yeah! (No please don't :P)
Amazing video as always keep it up love watching ur vidz
Many thanks Fabian
+Car Throttle Should of done ek9 vs ep3 vs this new one ... although i guess its hard to find an ek9 which some chav hasnt fucked up
+Car Throttle Heres a thing, If you take a bugatti veyron engine, and start it up, it will burn, without the massive cooling system, that just makes that car, really dependent of cooling systems, so why not make a old style v8 or v12, 200mph+
+Jeppe Ottosen True
+Car Throttle good choice Alex #VTEC #EP3
everyone knows the EP3 is the best hot hatch in the UK, it might not be the fastest, but it gives maximum smiles per gallon!! I have a silver facelift :)
EP3 also can go on 3 wheels.
At 9:53
HONDA IS ONE OF THE BEST BRAND EVER MADE
aaaaaactually second best, TOYOTA is really the best in the car market.
I mean it's ISIS approved and that's says a lot...
Sir Toyota is very good also but Honda i Think that is better, Honda civic is very important in kanjo culture also Honda was the First brand to introduce valve Timing and Lift control (Aka vtec)
It's all about Chevy Booii
+OfficialDeathCenter well its hard to say what's best i've seen plenty of Camry and Accords blowing past 400,000 miles on the road 1980's and up.
I think in terms of general perspective TOYOTA and HONDA are bar even I love them both to death 😹
+Eon Fps 'Chevy' haha behave
prefer the 05, its arse doesn't look like a potato
I miss my ep3. Unfortunately a lorry went into me up the M1 early last month and then I bought a smart roadster. Why oh why!!
We're here for you!
I'd like to drive a smart roadster to see what it was like, I doubt I'd buy one.
+Cornwall1888 there good fun and 50 mpg when your thrash it but your playing with 100 bhp which is lame. In the process of a turbo and exhaust upgrade at a specialist in Guildford next month. Do recommend driving one although no Vtec shenanigans.
+lilmaz RIP ep3. Fun little car, loved mine. Now my little brother owns it. When he goes to sell it, I will hopefully be able to buy it back.
+lilmaz Since when was 100bhp lame?
OPINION!
New Civic is just ugly
+TheCoBBus I'm half with you there.
- Jake - do you give me 1/1 if I say the rear is the problem with the wing on top of a wannabe wing?
***** Nope, sorry. That wing is functional..
It looks unreal
lmao I've seen worse
THUMBS UP FOR E46 M3 VS E92 M3 VS F80 M3 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. JUST COMPARE SOME M3'S AND THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE :D
I would love if Honda made a new Prelude, but this time RWD, I always found that preludes would be a great RWD car. Anyways great vid guys!!
I miss my ep3 even though I've never owned one😖
That's a minter of an EP3. It's done less than 40,000 miles. Cosmic grey premier edition as well. Worth about £7-8k.
The Hitman 37000 miles and driven most days I smell bullshit.
The Hitman Good luck with the kid, they're good fun 👍🏼
is that prius with gt spoiler and red honda emblem?
holy shit you're right
Wow, holy crap, it is! >_>
Yeah I hate the rear :/
+garlicson Honda Insight is a Prius copy, not the Civic
+KC Trilla me too the front is okay but the rear is like an open vagina lol
Right now, the EP3 Type R is my attainable dream car, I fully intend to buy one as a second car when I can drive. Everything about it is what a hot hatch should be;
- FWD
- Manual only
- High revving N/A i4
- Lightweight
- Independent rear suspension
- It's small, not a stupid saloon sized hatchback like the new one
- The styling is almost perfect, it's simple and has a nice shape versus the stupidly overstyled new one with all it's fake vents and oversized rear wing
It's truly a great car and a definite future collector's item, seeing as almost none of them are stock anymore.
Now is probably the 4th time I'm watching this video. Awesome stuff, props to Ethan and Alex for this amazing video!
Nobody was expecting the EP3 to be better. I just wanted to know that the legacy is carried on.
Love the FK2 but being turbo'd will never be a true type r like the ep3, which has so much spirit and soul. The k20 is the greatest mass produced engine in the world, just sublime. K pro the ep3 with breather mods and I would take that all day! But I don't have to, because I own one!! Love a cosmic premier!
+MrStamford78 The FK2 **has** a K20! :) The K20C1.
+TassieLorenzo I realise this, but as I said it is turbo'd and will never be looked at as a true K20 screamer! Fantastic machine though. Seen a couple up close but not been out in one yet.
+MrStamford78 Like my B18C more its got that mad brutal sound to it like You are cutting metal with angle grinder.
+ZEED. yes, that is a brutal crossover! Adore the dc2! IVTEC became a lot smoother. Gruppe m on my ep3 is a crazy, insane sound though. Love it!
Are you stupid? Most people with k20s turbo it regardless
EP3 dosnt need to shift into 3rd the reach 60. Stretch it out to its 8400rpm limiter and it should knock considerable time off the 0-60 👍
Late to the party but you're thinking of the jdm car I think maybe, higher rev limit. 8200 is the rev limit isn't it on the euro cart?
Source: I have one
James Baggaley they won’t hit 60 in second unless they’ve been hondata k pro remapped. Jdm Rev higher and are tuned to 220 so can
Not to mention the jdm ep3 has an extra 10 kw
EP3's are good, I almost bought one. But I'm glad I got a DC2 Integra instead, love it
The 2015 civic type r reminds me of the Lamborghini veneno lol
a prius with a spoiler
Says the guy who drives a hyundai
Omar Jamali who has a hundai? Not me thats for sure
+Tommy Le Yep prius"s beat 911s, GTRs, Lambos, etc around the ring. Civic ran a 7:50. Not bad for a 30k car.
I wonder what kind of tires are on the ep3. That can account for a considerable amount of performance difference, especially if the owner has some crappy all-seasons on it.
+YEApopcornBABY EP3 came from Honda so would have had some decent tyres on
+Andrew Robinson comes standard with decent tires id imagine, its a new car, very track focused. those tires would likely be road legal slicks with more ideal characteristics in the rain...
Of course i'd take the EP3, last year i raced one in an 1.8 MX5 NB, and boy that car looked sexy dancing all over the place!
Got my ass kicked on the straight, that's v-tec for you...
Why does the end to the video of a car make me emotional? - Loved the video, made me tear up, not even sure why.
Better to test a proper JDM EP3 type R i reckon
Its got about 30 more hp, more torque and a helical LSD which all would make a fairly big difference on a track
whoever idea it was to do the sound effect of like playing water glasses or if its part of the song for the intro, my speakers were playing it and my fucking god it is so cringy and high frequency making my ears bleed
+WhatStandards Slightly overreacting. I have a full BOSE speaker set up, and the sound was just fine. Maybe you need some better speakers.
- Jake - maybe so, but ive literally never had any problems with sounds like those. I just know it felt like the quality of the sound was so trashy and recorded on like a piece of crap. Cause i can just pull up a video on youtube right now with water glasses and itll sound fine and not ear shattering
+- Jake - you are the one with bad speakers. BOSE is missing alot of the sound picture
WhatStandards Ah, ok. They may not have calibrated the sound properly or something, I dunno.
FSXgta I do music production and audio development. BOSE are one of the highest leading hardware groups for both of those.
It's a shame that well done videos like this doesn't get the same views as those " 10 top lists " on your channel
Love the ep3 type r simple fun and not full of plastic interior exterior trim. simple clean lines defiantly a future hot hatch classic. I plan to buy one this year to replace my e30 touring
Definitely*. But I agree.
and the new R has been clocked at 5.2 and 5.3 0-60 and getting the old ep3 in low 6secs is no problem at all so unless you are running in some high altitude those were rather sad attempts at 0-60 in both cars.
I would rather have the Focus RS for £30K
I've never left a comment on TH-cam before, but i have to say, this video was amazing! perfect choice with the ep3! I always said the type r died after the ep3. but maybe the 2015 type r has pulled it back.. I just hope they don't forget what made the type r what it was!! when i hear that vtec crossover it always makes me smile
Man, this video makes me miss my old VTEC EK hatch so badly :(
Totally agree with him on the looks of the EP3, something about the new Type R just gives me the impression of "another one of those Nurbugring cars". Not hating, I still think it's an awesome car
I really like the new car, I appreciate what its capable of and from an engineering standpoint its a marvel, but given the choice i'd have to take the ep3 as well, I'm not really sure why but it just screams fun, whilst the new one is a more serious racer, and being an EJ9 owner myself lightweight, not much power and a good chassis is unbeatable for fun in my opinion. Awesome video guys, keep at it.
+Ethan Gee Me too. It has a nice somewhat compact shape too.
I would take EP3 and boost it...………...Then walk all over the new Type R
Stock engine EP3 with some boost will make mincemeat of the fk2 for less than half the price ;)
Upshifting a bit below 8k rpm on the ep3 means you fall out of vtec on the next gear , which is why you did 0 to 60 in over 7 seconds. You need to almost hit the limiter at 8250 rpm in this car if you want to do sub 7 seconds.
why won't Honda make a rwd sports car it would sell probably out sell any entry-level sport coupe on the market would probably be a gem to drive, and Honda it's 2015 vtech isn't impressive anymore and you're just beating it to death
they did, it's called the s2000.
For me FWD is better than RWD
+Scott Babcock Vtec may not be "impressive" technically speaking, any more, but it's well worth having over just one cam profile
1st of all your comment is pointless cause they made one... Its called the s2000 2nd the engines arnt made by the popular electronic company "vtech" they use a vvt system called "vtec" that when at higher rpms, lifts the valves higher (and i think i little longer) to make more power making it have better fuel economy, also how the fuck is more power annoying? almost every single car nowadays uses vtec, they just call it something else, usually vvti
+adam1991miata a lot of other car manufacturers use variable value timing it's the norn but Honda treats it like it's some magic wizard power than only Hondas have and no shit I know about the s2k but the stopped making them for no reason and there missed Honda needs to pull their heads out of their ass and make a real sports car that people want
Love the video great job, but what i really want to see is this new FK2 Type-R vs a FD2 Type-R i really want to see how they compare to each other because that FD2 was no joke, especially the Mugen RR version. Damn i miss Best Motoring i know they would step up to the plate.
I thought EP3 meant Episode 3 at first lol
+xboxgamer959 Try searching for ep3 videos on youtube. It's not fun.
I was debating whether to buy an EP3 as my next car, but after hearing your comments my mind has been made up for me
He's right in that if you're a proper driver, it doesn't take long to fall in love with the EP3. It's so much fun pushing its limits and if you're good enough, like he said, the modern ones can't shake it. So rewarding!
Finally I'm not the only one who thinks the ep3 was the best ever type r!
Love the ep3 definitely my favourite type r until I try a ek9
Another brilliant video from you guys 👍
Great analogy in the conclusion as well. keep up the good work Car Throttle 😊
300 hp in a FWD? That's pretty impressive. But I prefer a huge ass V8, go Murica!
Go nascar and straight lines fuck yeaa
+edgar soto and maybe turn left sometime
+govenmentassassin fuck fuel economy, fuck the environment, fuck lightweight efficiency and handling, build em big and build them shit! 'MURICA!
+govenmentassassin go murica! and stay there
Top review! the EP3 proves straight line speed and lots of power isn't everything.
Currently owning an FK2 and having had an EP3 i can only agree with the EP3 being the best car.
Mike Hunt Agree totally, don't get me wrong the latest type R is epic but the ep3 has soul and feels like nothing I've ever driven; especially on Broads. I imported the ep3 JDM and it's phenomenally quick on a twisty road - it would surprise a lot of more powerful cars.
@@TheKevzx6r jdm ep3? werent they only released in europe?
Simon Stevenson Japan only
Mike Hunt I respect the honesty 👏
That new Type R looks great, but i'd have to go with the Focus RS in the class.
the tripod-mode (EP3) was never a problem for jeremy and tiff. they enjoyed it, it's a feature!
they should make the EP3 shape again
Not sure I agree. Its a great car, but is a little dated in many ways. I just wish they'd make a new Civic with everything which made the EP3 (and Civics previous to the EP3) so great. The latest Civic isn't much smaller than an old Accord now.
I like hondas but stfu about V-Tec. It pisses me off.
v-tak kicks in braaam braaaam braaam
+SPDFREAK713 i love it when he does that because ive been doing that for years lol.
+DriftTek Drifttek kicked in yo
+DriftTek Most ironic internet comment of the day.
* VTEC
I just bought a low mileage ep3 that's mint, as I owned one 8 years ago.. wow I'm in love again
Ep3 in my opinion is way better and with a quick ecu change you can get easy 250hp
on my way to bed and I see a car throttle notification it's gonna be a sweet night after that
Great video and very honest
N/A fun to drive and speed through corners is irreplaceable !
And after all I dont want car which drive me with all those electronics I want to drive it if its sports car like TypeR is and btw i also dont like look of that new R minivan with 5 doors (looks like early 2000 Seat Leon Cupra with more aggressive spoilers (ricer look)
Long live N/A throttle response , new years will be hard with all those manufacturer go for lower co2 i hope they will not forget that true fun driving machine is always N/A machine
i see you guys are really trying to be top gear here
Who wouldn't?
+Urf The Manatee me ;-;
+Urf The Manatee Top Gear WAS good (british)
SharkGames707 Agreed. Top Gear USA was a money milking program.
+Ryukachoo Well until Top Gear comes back with their new show, it's A OKAY wit me lol
Loved the comparison, but there's no way I'd take an EP3 over the 2015.
Auto Express take note, thanks for giving a proper comparison of these two.
You say the FK2R is a bit dull and does everything for you... But surely it's still more fun and involved than a Golf GTI or Audi S3 or something like that? :)
The 2015 looks soooooooooo sick!!
You alright gingium? Been subbed to u since 30k keep grinding my guy
Just researching now about getting an ep3 , really enjoyed your video , great stuff
The guys at honda threw their hands up and sighed at the end of this video.
I like both but the Stealthy 2005 has that sleeper appearance...nice.
Put a little turbo in the ep3!
It's like watching the big brother teach the little brother how to do it. Nice vid.
Absolutely brilliant video
You have used a European market EP3, instead of the hotter Japanese spec EP3. Which is fine. :) But the JDM EP3 is a fair bit sharper and a bit faster than the EDM Ep3. I also think it's quite unfair you dismiss the FN2 so readily, when the FN2 has: - helical LSD from 2010+ like the Japanese market Type Rs, - better gear ratios, - the engine is actually improved, though it's not obvious by the spec > it has more mid-range torque and would have 7% more power if not for the power-sapping balance shafts that were added to the engine (so it has +1bhp, but actually it has balance shafts added that take away 15hp.. so really the engine had been improved over the European market EP3 version). Whereas the FK2R contains the hardcore DNA of Japanese Type Rs and the features and practicality of Euro spec cars, now all in the one car. :)
all about the EK9 Type R
Same here. The newer ones are cool but definitely the older Type R's for sure.
i love the civic jordan swell :D
Exactly
This is what it's about!
Real world reviews, not based on a biased opinion.. great work! Cool to see the ep3 still has the fun factor! (the ep3 you used was identical to my old one) :)
my honda civic has 87 horse power
if its not a type R its not a tight car
beautiful video , guys, honestly, you did a very good car review on both, you remained unbiased throughout the whole video, and you put a lot of production value in the video, always love your videos, theyre just so fun to watch and a lot of times i learn some things, i hope you guys reach all your goals in life
+michael silva My goal is to get taller, so here's hoping!
I'm sorry but ep's are do damn ugly. I think honda should just go back to making ek's
I really want a new Type R if they ever decide to import them to North America (they're supposed to but who knows) but I wouldn't want to drive it in the snow during winters and I don't know if I'm willing to replace my EP3 summer car with the new model.
Disappointed with the Car Throttle guy for saying the 8th gen Type R is anything but pretty. You're wrong, petroldude!
Agree, I find it the most beautiful actually!
8th gen looks like a space egg
*****
This is what hatchbacks look like, just look at the Ford Focus or the Toyoa Auris. The 9th gen Civic (in this video) is an evolution of the 8th gen design, and it's very similar in most regards.
WhiteSlift 8th gen is a delicious car
Nice comparison. I have (from new) a 2003 EP3 with 193k on it. Drive it daily. Only a new NSX or a bargain Skyline would tempt me to sell it ! Still get 6.5 to 60 and 38mpg. I have never had a single problem with it. Not one. So your video has probably stopped me spending 30k on a new one. Now about that NSX...
The new type r is sexy af
+itsBinq Unlike the last one :(
- Jake - Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with the last one, it went so downhill. From 3 wheeled madness to... well I don't know what. But the new one is a great improvement for sure!
itsBinq Mhm
+itsBinq Are you insane? The new one is the worst looking civic ever. It looks like a honda insight with a bodykit.
Lea C I mean personally speaking I think its sexy but if that's your opinion, you're entitled to it
I'd have the EP3 because it's understatedly good looking whereas the new one is all VENTS, SPOILERS, DIFFUSERS, LEDS, ANGRY EYES WARBLEGARBLE!!
What?! I always thought FN2 looks amazing, and EP3 is ugly as fuck, especially the interior. You said exactly the opposite lol
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my 2002 ep3 still kick some ass on the nurburgring !!! like you say, it a lovely little car, who give a great reward to it's driver, if you know how to take her.
I love this, very well done! I drive a Civic EP2 myself, its a really really fun car, its fast (even if it has only got 110hp) and I can afford it as a 19 year old. I love these old Hondas.
How fast Is it? 0-60?
i have had a ep3 type r since 2002 and will never NEVER NEVER NEVER sell ever ever ever ever offer me 100 thousand pounds if you like not even close ! . my father in law had a porsche boxster s and my best memory of chasing him down a motorway will live with me forever could he drop me NO the civic type r ep3 is a god! The ep3 is a fantastic car i will never sell. from my cold dead hands you will have to take it until then drive the crap the world will let you!
I've got a USDM Ep3 Si and I f*ing love it to death
EP3 with a few subtle engine mods to get it into the 240BHP region, some Michelin cups, LSD, sorted suspension and I think on the track it would be a lot closer than people think! All for less than 10 grand!
Weren't some episodes of Thunder Races shot in the area where you tested? Looks similar.
And I agree with your decision, I'd take EP3 too, that car is legendary, current model will be forgotten in 10 years.
Love the ep3, I had 1 and now I’m looking for another! I drove the fk2 and fk8, fk8 yes but fk2, not my thing. Ep3 all the way! 🙏🏻💪🏻😁
I agree with you and as we know it technology will always keep advancing to cars. I used to owned a 1991 hatchback Si and it was super fun to drive. In todays world we just want all the tech goodies in our cars, sadly but true.😤
if you guys ever do a review on the new golf r wagon wolfsburg edition, you should compare it to the 2010 passat r36 wagon, that would be an awesome video!!!
That statement at the end was worded beautifully, I wish every member of the car community would view things the same way as Alex, amen!
Realy nice and professional video! Enjoyed it very much. Maybe just record the comments in a room with less reverb/better acoustics?