Expansion Big 12 Future REVEALED: Stealing ACC, Renaming League, Brett Yormark's Revenue Plan
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- The stability of the Big 12 Conference amid ongoing expansion efforts is a testament to strategic leadership, financial foresight, and adaptability. As college athletics undergo significant realignment, the Big 12 has positioned itself as a resilient and proactive conference, maintaining its competitiveness and securing its future in the evolving landscape.
Strategic Leadership
Under the leadership of Commissioner Brett Yormark, the Big 12 has navigated the turbulent waters of conference realignment with a clear and strategic vision. Yormark's proactive approach to expansion has been instrumental in solidifying the conference's stability. By actively pursuing new member schools that add value both competitively and geographically, the Big 12 has ensured that it remains a formidable presence in college athletics. The inclusion of teams like BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF has bolstered the conference's footprint and marketability, providing a strong foundation for the future.
Financial Stability
The Big 12's financial stability is another critical factor underpinning its resilience. The conference has successfully negotiated lucrative media rights deals that ensure a steady revenue stream. These deals not only enhance the financial health of the member institutions but also make the Big 12 an attractive destination for potential new members. The ability to offer substantial financial incentives is crucial in an era where the economic landscape of college sports is rapidly changing. The Big 12's financial acumen has provided a safety net that allows the conference to adapt and thrive amid uncertainty.
Competitive Balance
Maintaining competitive balance has been a key aspect of the Big 12's stability. The conference's willingness to expand and integrate new teams has fostered a diverse and dynamic competitive environment. This inclusivity has prevented the concentration of power in a few schools, ensuring that the conference remains exciting and unpredictable. The commitment to competitive balance has also helped retain fan interest and engagement, which is vital for the conference's long-term viability.
Adaptability and Vision
The Big 12's adaptability in the face of change is perhaps its greatest strength. The conference has demonstrated an ability to pivot and respond to the shifting dynamics of college sports. Whether it is embracing new markets, enhancing its media presence, or fostering innovative approaches to competition, the Big 12 has shown a forward-thinking mindset. This adaptability ensures that the conference can weather any challenges that come its way and continue to grow.
Conclusion
In conclusion, the stability of the Big 12 during expansion is a result of strategic leadership, financial foresight, competitive balance, and adaptability. As the college athletics landscape continues to evolve, the Big 12 has positioned itself as a stable and proactive conference, ready to face the future with confidence. Through careful planning and a commitment to growth, the Big 12 remains a cornerstone of collegiate sports, providing stability and excitement for its member schools and fans.
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Dude, Houston ranks higher than TTech academically. Please don't stigmatize tier 1 Houston like that.
According to USNEWSWORLD GLOBAL UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON is ahead of Baylor and TCU and TTEC and BYU and many others. For all the ignorant jargon about SEC schools and bad academics. Their Global rankings are all better than 600; or better put, closer to 1 than 3000. The Globe Report is the more accurate because it includes all schools around the world and about real classes and degrees and certifications and programs and diplomas and doctoral degrees and so on. No matter how shady BYU or a St. Joe’s (at the other end of the spectrum on religious private privilege schools) try to hide many things to avoid lower ranking, no money under the table will keep most of it from being seen. When PATC posted several rankings to show that FSU and Clemson may not be AAU but are high global ranking schools than many BiG10 schools and other universities across America. Houston had tier 1, Carnegie 1, R1 long before Baylor Baptist false doctrine ding dongs ever did. Baylor Brazos Bozos got R1 last year or year before. Drake is a ding dong buffoon with some of the click bait comments as are many others who work for the Locked On Networks and 247 Sports Networks and Channels. This is an ever changing and evolving and revolving cycle with progression and regression. So we are all going to get some things right and wrong or need to tweak it and change our perspective. But some things you can’t get right or get wrong without showing you know nothing about the topic of development and discussion.
No one cares about academics lol.
The elitism in this video is unwarranted and absolutely hypocritical. The Big XII is not in a position to be turning away any ACC schools.
The conference will be DAMN lucky if it makes it through the next round of realignment with Arizona, ASU, Utah, CU, KU, OK State, and Texas Tech. The Big Ten and SEC aren’t done, and won’t be done after raiding the ACC. The hubris- you folks are wild.
ISU was AAU accredited. And gave it up basically because we don’t have a med school
I love your enthusiasm but today you made the most ridiculous comment that I have ever heard. Your comment was ”Colorado and Miami are similar…they both were good in the early 90’s”. WHAT A CRAZY COMMENT/COMPARISON. Miami wasn’t good in their reign as CFB’s Most dominant team they were GREAT! 5 NC’s. Twice finishing #2, Once #3 and once #4 in the regular season and not having the opportunity to play for a championship. I doubt they would have lost all 4 and including the Pass Interference call against OSU…6 NC’s outright, at least 8 in 15 years. Not to mention losing 85’ & 86 ‘ due to 2 of the worst QB games in history (Vinny T). The last 2 decades are Miami’s fault due to trying to hire cheap instead taking football seriously…Their Fault for sure. I know you want Miami in the Big 12. There have been 3 dynasties in my college football Lifetime (Class of 1982) and the only one comparable is Alabama. Most due to recency Bias. Last year Miami lost 4 games by one possession and the other I think TVD threw 2 INT’s in the end Zone and another inside the 15. Had they gone say 10-2 or 11-1 this year would be a whole different conversation. UNC & UVA are more desirable than Miami at present not because they are good or great programs but Virgin Territory for the SEC & BIG. Last season UM was handcuffed with Poor QB play. That is probably why Mario could not risk being open play booked. Historically speaking UM is probably the best program since 1982 with Alabama of course being in the conversation. The 3 Dynasties in my lifetime are UM, AL and NEB. Don’t ever mention Colorado in the same breath as Miami and expect to hold any credibility. Not to mention that UM had 6 or 7 HOF’s Alabama & Nebraska combined don’t have that many in that time frame. Keep your enthusiasm but minimize the ridiculousness.
Enjoy your day young man.
Why is the assumption that the ACC will definitely fall apart if anyone leaves? The ACC losing Florida State and Clemson would be the equivalent of the Big 12 losing Texas and Oklahoma - and that did happen, and the Big 12 is still here. In fact, the Big 12 has been a revolving door of members coming and going since 2010. The ACC has thus far lost Maryland (and South Carolina back in the early 70s) and that's it.
The ACC would fall apart during a more compressed timeframe than how the BIG12 fell apart, which could make a difference; however, the ACC is being proactive while the BIG12 was reactive.
Louisville, NC State, VT, Miami for an even 20
Why would they move to the already too large, too wide Tier 2 BIG12?
Yeah, not sure why he continues try to push Pitt into the mix. Their value metrics are all near the bottom in the ACC. There are 7-8 better programs to add from the ACC. Whichever BIG12 should add should be the ones that add the most value. If BIG12 only adds 4, it should be the 4 that increase the annual payouts the most.
@@brianmiller1977 Pitt is a favor for West Virginia. That would also put the Backyard Brawl into the TV mix which might make ESPN happy.
ACC will drag this out until they can renegotiate the ESPn contract in 2026.. if FSU gets out in 2025 the payout will be paid to ACC .. so that's 100-150 mil.. if Clemson choose to at the same time 300 mil for acc distribution would be 18-20 for core schools.. puts remaining schools in the 60-65 per year on par with Big 10 and Sec.. it's different than pac 12 and big 12 situation... ACC could add USF, UConn at a discount similar to the cal, Stanford, SMU situation .. Notre Dame affiliation, .. life goes on.. people forget ACC is paying out 44 mil per school now
Really u don't understand how this is going to work after Florida State and Clemson the Acc payout will be much less probably around twenty million per a school yes the extra fee will help for awhile.more schools will want out of the conference.Yes they will have to renew their contact with espn that when they will find out how low their payout per year is.
Thank you for calling him out for his Stanford comment
Amazing that you discredit other conferences. A big majority of all NCAA national was won by ex Pac XII schools and Ok State. There is more to life than football, although it is a big part of it. If the SEC is the only schools to win the NC. Most the audience will disappear, and the money will go away.
Likely not more recently. The PAC appeared to have been waning in non-revenue sports as well.
24 teams total is my prediction.
Duke, Louisville, Miami, and Pittsburgh, and Syracuse join the Big 12.
UConn joins the Big 12 after.
Lastly Oregon State and Washington State join the Big 12.
Four pods:
West: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, and Washington State.
North: Cincinnati, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Louisville.
South: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, and UCF.
East: Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, and West Virginia.
For what purpose such an even larger and wider Tier 2 BIG12? A separate Tier 2 league?
Iowa State has the oldest public Vet School, is the birthplace of animal breeding, and is definitely one of the top land-grant institutions in the nation. You need to do some research before just saying things.
IOWAST is not one of the top relative to the other P4 land grants.
Best of the current situation is to let the P2 finish their realignment and form the tier 1. Then a tier 2 of B12, ACC, and reformed PAC splits the nation into thirds.
Yep. An amicable Tier 2 realignment would be the best outcome. The BIG12 needs to first accept its Tier 2 status.
@@tarheel7406 that will be the hardest part. Right now the B12 is so all in that their quantity should get them tier 1 status. That they would see this as defeat when it’s just reality.
@@adamb6370 BIG12 fans not only can't see it's now Tier 2 with no chance of getting back, they think that their vanilla middle competitors, etc. are superior to those elsewhere. No self-awareness, the brush with real [death] has yielded no humility.
@@tarheel7406 it’s that me against the world mentality. I live in CFL and see it a lot. UCF is the worst of the lot. Back in the 90s they committed to getting to an equal place with UF/FSU. They kind of took a lot of shortcuts to get where they are today and feel the world should be rolling out the red carpet to welcome them as equals to a UF, UNC, and Texas. When it didn’t happen they took this “we are victims, UCF vs world attitude. So when you talk to them they throw out their cherry picked facts, ignore anything that doesn’t support their narrative.” You are now seeing a lot of that showing among all B12.
@@adamb6370 These BIG12 fans have no experience with (so no clue) how things work in the world of upper right schools. My rule of thumb has been that every upper right will survive in a P2 after the dust settles, but CAL & STANFORD look to be exceptions.
I watch this channel when im taking a dump because it makes me laugh which makes my poop come out smoother. thanks, Drake! Go Utes!
Have to remember these guys know no more than their viewers do. They speculate mostly and have no real sources. However, they do provide Entertainment and that is their purpose.
West By God fan here...Sounds like Utah fan🤦🤦
Please Utah join the ACC! Doubt Kansas pays major fee for ACC, maybe BIG10. Ute fans still holding onto Hope.
Haha... Why on earth do you continue to say Pitt when its one of the lowest revenue producers in the ACC. Louisville, NCState, VTech, GTech, Duke, Miami, & UNC would be the only teams that should be pursued that would increase annual payouts for current members. Look at Pitt's value metrics, its in the bottom third of the ACC. I understand Pittsburgh is a decent size city but if people in that city dont watch Pitt games it really doesnt matter.
If BIG12 only adds 4:
Louisville, Miami, Duke, VTech, NCstate, & UNC should be the primary targets. Any 4 of these should be the programs the BIG12 seeks to target. Duke & UNC may try to stick together for a BIG10 invite, not sure if they would split up or not. If you need 1 alternant then Syracuse should be the last resort if the BIG12 can only get 3 of the primary targets.
A simple google of ACC revenue per program will show you all you need to know. Syracuse should be added before Pitt if you are using current revenues, as they are ahead of Pitt in both Football & Basketball revenues. Yes I understand the backyard brawl would be great, but WVU already has it on our schedule and both programs are determined to keep it on the schedule moving forward. While both programs would prefer it to be the last game of the season again, at least its being played. That said, sentimentality has no room here. Unless the BIG12 has a surefire strategy of monetizing the revenue potential of the city of Pittsburgh perhaps it could be the alternant if we cant get 4 of the primary options listed above, but only if that is a detailed path to raising its revenues. Nobody wants to see Pitt be left behind in some ACC / G5 leftover conference, but this is a business and business decisions need to be made that put the BIG12 in the strongest position possible. Very detailed evaluations need to be done to see which of the top 6-7 ACC programs will increase the most value for the BIG12 conference, heavily target the top 4-6(if its possible a couple may be invited elsewhere). This decision should be based and come down to 1 variable. How much will they increase annual payouts to current BIG12 members. Rank that list and target them appropriately.
The only expansion the B12 has a shot with are NCST, UL and PITT
Possible VT?
vt and miami are real possibilities
Totally agree with VT and possibly Miami....
Take those 3 and SMU. SMU has huge upside potential, and the rivalry between SMU and TCU could become a leading Big 12 rivalry.
Why would they move to the already too large, too wide Tier 2 BIG12?
Buc-ee'sBig12Truckstops™ Conference
except Buc-ee's does NOT allow trucks...at what you call a "truck stop"
UH is also on the verge of being AAU status
No talk about Duke?
Pitt Louisville for sure are a get For the B12. Gtg Miami would be cool. Maybe NC State
It was reported that PITT and L'VILLE were among the strongest supporters of the ACC adding CAL+2. The also consider the BIG12 the option of last resort.
Great way to highlight your inferiority with a conference badge saying that we have to be subsidized by Allstate. It’s like marketing yourself as inferior G5 status. Not worth $8 million a year.
Miami is on to the P2
None of those schools will be joining the Bush League 12. LOL. And you just increased your liability with the court cases to come.
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Don’t want to see ACC join any West Coast Conference. Logistics of travel alone is too much if you have to travel cross country for more than one game. I believe Miami will be very attractive to any conference in the very near future. I still think they should consider going back to being independent and make their own financial agreement. Hasn’t really hurt Notre Dame.
From what I've seen, MIAMI has allied with ND and will go with to the B1G when ND can and will join.
@@garybender432 is the big 12 the west coast conference you are referring to??
Stay fresh maxi pad big 12
Stanford would be a win for the Big 12 but for the media market. 😢
I never quite understood the media market argument. I mean, you get a team in the middle of millions of people that don’t give a rip about football? Who brings more TV value, WVU or Stanford?
@colerogers9767 it's about the Big 10/SEC/ACC networks then being allowed to be put in the regular rotation of networks that cable providers give to the local community. That means for every person that provider, the provider pays the network X dollar amount for each even of they do not watch the network in question. Would also likely mean more potential fans of said school are likely to sign up for the network if they didn't already get it. The avg fan may prefer watching WV over Stanford but adding Stanford may mean more net new $ to the network and conference.
Sign of the times. Stanford is the greatest combination of athletics and academics in the country, and they're being scoffed at. All because their football team is down.
Actually iowa state is a damn food academic institution name a better one for agriculture or engineering? Go flip your life switch Drake also it was aau
so obtuse I see two 32 team conferances and kansas and Iowa state would look great as would stanford and californa beng aau wth only notredame being the non aau school. addd to that the possibility of mlitart academy Boston college Pttsburgh and syracuse virginia and North Carolina and Mam florda all aau schools with possble mass and conneticutt with a goal for advancement in their facilites bg 12 has over acheving deas where louisville has decent dacilties and kentucky rivalrt big 12 or sec, nc st. fsu clemson nebraska could slide to the sec easly enough. texas a&m may be headed to Big 10 I see dec with high 20 r even 32 teams. winder if osu was offered to sec would the traitors of tradition take the pay off?
a) Two 24 team P2s
b) ND is now AAU. IOWAST no longer is.
Deud, there are punctuation marks on your keyboard or phone!
Louisville and Pitt and maybe try to grab SMU, NC state Syracuse
ACC schools will not leave for the Big 12. ACC Network with ESPN partly own will keep it together. ACC will grab Big 12 schools.
Get real here after Florida State , Clemson leave then north Carolina , Virginia and Miami plus one more will leave. That will give the Sec and big 10 twenty schools each. As long as the exit fee isn't to large this is probably going to happen .
@@JohnWarren-xx9sl Nobody wants Miami. Nobody wants NC State. Nobody wants Virginia Tech.
@@JohnWarren-xx9sl To where are CLEMSON and FSU going if they leave first?
Dude the announcers are gonna use the dumb a** name just like they call it the Red River Rvalry. Sounds like freaking Elmer Fudd--Wed Wivva Wivalwy. It should be the Red River Shootout. It should be the Big 12. Each time an announcer references the league you know they're not going call it the Big 12. A billion dollars does not come without a catch.
Lol yes you will call the conference by its new name. Big 12 was made by remnants of the Big 8 and Southwest (prolly before you were born) and they changed the name and you now call it that new name. I am assuming your age because you said Colorado and Miami were equals in football history 😂 ... Whatever this new conference name is, it will have been formed by remnants of the Big 12, PAC, ACC, AAC conferences and an independent.
Likely no ACC remainders.
@@tarheel7406you may be right ... but whatever the new name is, folks will use that new name not still say Big 12, dunno what this podcaster is thinking
they might say "formerly the Big 12" for a year or two
Clemson and Florida state fit nice in SEC
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
Stanford is a stronger brand, with some historic success, a massive endowment, & a great recruiting market (CA), but the Big12 opted not to include them (or Cal, Wazu & Oregon St). Miami is a possibility but they still fall short in many ways when comparing to Stanford. Big12 will continue to expand and will earn more viewership and market share in the future.
No one wants to deal with Berkeley.
Yes, Andrew Luck is well endowed 😂
The BIG12 is already too large, too wide for a Tier 2 conference.
Honestly bro, NOBODY......NOBODY wants to deal with that nightmare of Berkley or the BS of CA. When I think of culture fits Stanford is right at the very bottom and complete opposite of most of the BIG12... Stanford hasnt been decent at football in a long time, they may have a bigger endowment, but this decision wont be based on endowment size or culture..or recruiting... Its based on revenues. How much will adding a program will it increase payouts to current members to help reduce the gap between BIG10+SEC. When I think if which 4-8 programs the BIG12 should add Stanford would be the very last on the list.
Cali is a nightmare(regulatory, policy, culture, political extremism, business friendly, etc).
Louisville, Duke, VTech, NCState, UNC, Miami, GTech, Syracuse or Pitt would/should all be added before Stanford. Stanford also has some limitations with its recruiting as players have to meet their academic requirements, which puts a hard cap on the % of HS recruits that can meet those standards every year. So while CA may be a good spot for recruiting, it wouldnt be realized for BIG12 programs merely by playing Stanford. Maybe that would be the case for a program like USC, but Stanford & Cal are peas & carrots. The perspective of Stanford outside of CA is extremely negative bro, and for many reasons.
The reality is there has to be a line in the sand between programs that can meet tier 1 and programs that cant. BIG12 is trying to position itself for its programs to be able to meet Tier1. Maybe it can, through nontraditional revenue sources, making basketball an independent product so it can be fully monetized, new services that allow BIG12 to monetize its network & data, by adding the top 4-8 revenue programs from ACC, etc. All things combined may put them in a place to meet Tier1. At the very least itll put the BIG12 in a dominant position for future Tier 2 negotiations.
@@brianmiller1977 "Louisville, Duke, VTech, NCState, UNC, Miami, GTech, Syracuse or Pitt would/should all be added before Stanford. "
Be more realistic. Extremely low chances of the BIG12 getting Tier 1 or 2 ACC flight risks other than FSU. If lower tiers are moving, it won't matter. There will then be a separate Tier 1 P2 and everyone else.
The Big 12 lost its two most marketable schools and successful athletic programs. The remaining members, the orphans are not desirable schools when compared with those who left. With the addition of schools located far outside its traditional territory, the Big 12 has practically ceased to exist. Changing the name of the conference is recognition of the collapse. Future additions to the conference will comprise schools with no place else to go. Its a sad state of affairs for those foundational members who once took pride in Big 8 and later Big 12 membership.
Not everyone are SEC and Big 10 band wagon fans. Who cares if those conferences make more money, the Big 12 is still full of institutions that have great fanbases, school pride, and whether people like to admit it or not, high caliber and entertaining teams. You only get one National Champion every year out of 128 FBS schools. Winning your conference and getting a shot in the Big dance and watching these young athletes compete still means something to the players and fanbases.
Should only the elite participate in sports? If so, then kick out half the Big 10 and half the SEC and just have the same powerhouse 12-16 teams play each other over and over again and cannibalize themselves. You really think that is what people want to see? It isn't. There needs to be variety and the occasional Cinderella story. That's what sports is about.
Northwestern, purdue, south carolina, rutgers, vanderbilt, arkansas, miss state...i could go on and on...the SEC and B1G will never be elite with all that dead weight...most of the big 12 is fsr better than alot of the supposed P2
Arkansas? Did you say Arkansas? Who won 10 -11 games every year in the SWC? Arkansas would be picked to be at least a top 3 to 4 big 12 team every year until they start dominating @@petewilcox3354
@@petewilcox3354shhh your telling them the truth you might hurt their feelings if on field product was what ruled the day the entire old big ten west with the exception of Iowa and maybe Wisconsin wouldve been kicked out in favor of the 8 big 12 left overs as soon as the sec expansion happened
How often was Texas good in football while in the big 12?
In context, the BIG12 has already collapsed. Why can't BIG12 fans see this reality?
Collapsed? WTF are you talking about? You sound like a SEC bot, this is a strong viable conference that is based on traditional college sports. You sound scared of what the Big 12 could become. The Big 12 is not going anywhere, it’s here to stay.
B12: A solid football conference (#3) and the #1 basketball conference. What context are you talking about?
This guy literally says the same thing over and over on every Big 12 media channel. He also thinks the ACC has "prestige" and an impenetrable shroud of excellence. He is like a Mogwai from Gremlins except instead of getting wet or being fed after midnight to turn into a troll, he just needs attention.
Look, it's the tarheel troll back at a show talking about the Big 12. The ACC must be to boring for him.
@@dougwatchesiowastate Compare the original BIG12 with the new BIG12. That's a collapse even if over 10+ years.
Magic number - 20. Add Louisville, N.C.State (strong M&W basketball and Football). Virginia or VT. Maybe Pitt. No Miami - already in Fla.
Why would they move to the already too large, too wide Tier 2 BIG12?
UTAH and Kansas to join the ACC from sources
lol 😂
Easily replaceable with Wash St and UConn. Then when the ACC media value goes down B12 pick up UofL, Miami, VT, and NC St.
You must have terrible sources.
a) I can see UTAH but not KANSAS having mutual interest.
b) Likely cost prohibitive with exit fees.
Maybe Kansas if it can't go to the MEGA 2. I guess the ACC could do some back fill with Utah, but make no mistake they would both love to be in the ACC.
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FSU and Clemson will go to the sec.
Nope
SEC conference has South Carolina and Florida. Their only chance is the Big Ten Conference or Big Twelve Conference. The only schools that the SEC will get are Virginia Tech and Virginia, North Carolina, and Pittsburgh or Syracuse.
@@JamesSmith-vs8nv ok…sec has two Texas teams and two Alabama teams and two Tennessee teams…why does that matter?
FSU to B1G; CLEM to B12.
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
@@JamesSmith-vs8nv CUSE ad PITT? You have no clue.