The SEC is still somewhat "regional" while the other conferences are not. Each state touches one another and they all have something in common with each other. While the rest of y'all are just a jumbled up messes and disasters in the making.
@@dominicpangallo3752 we're fine. The SEC may get 7-8. That's good for us. How's football for y'all? When was the last team that isn't in the little12 (currently) win the natty? Are you guys relevant still?
FSU went out of its way to play LSU on top of UF in the noncon. It didn't help. In 2014 FSU played Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and UF in the noncon, went undefeated, but got dropped to #3. If you don't have SEC/B1G next to your school's name, the media will say you played a soft schedule.
Going unbeaten doesn't guarantee a high ranking nor respect. Okie State, ND and UF were all mediocre that year. Also FSU had Jameis Winston returning, went undefeated in a so-so ACC but didn't look dominating while doing it. Then went on to get throttled by Oregon on the CFP.
Let's be honest at this point they're a G5 it's like saying they're leaving out CUSA or the sunbelt conference they're trying to shorten the gap between them and the power 2
I don’t think anything will or should happen with an alliance or merger until the Big 10 and SEC make their moves grabbing the best of the ACC once the ACC falls apart from the FSU lawsuit. At that point we’ll know who in the ACC is left. The ACC will then try to build back the best they can (including adding an AAC school or two) and the individual ACC schools will try to land the best deals they can with either the new ACC or the existing Big12. Eventually we’ll end up with a Group of 3; the ACC, Big12, and MWC (which will include Stanford and Cal). Sounds like a reasonable outcome to me at least.
I like it. The guessing game is what will be left on the bone after the B1G and SEC have their fill. I can see schools like Pitt, VT, Louisville, Duke, SMU, Stanford, Cal, BC, Syracuse, and WF available. Those schools will have to weigh whether staying in a depleted ACC or make more money in the Big 12. We obviously couldn't take them all so what makes sense would be regional rivalries (Pitt, VT, and Louisville).
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 I suspect that Syracuse, BC, and Wake will be left out completely. Maybe they can join the AAC for football and the Big East for hoops.
Let's say this is left of the ACC: Syracuse, BC, WF, SMU, Stanford, and Cal. I think Stanford and Cal will have to independent or the MWC bc travel will be cost prohibitive. Yeah, the 3 schools will have to fold and go AAC.
Nope…the ACC is a sinking ship. It is a like the Sears and Kmart merger, how did it workout…not good. Until the FSU and ACC is resolved I would stay away from a partnership with them until the conference shows it is try to stay together.
Except Kmart and Sears weren't trying to succeed. They were led by corporate raiders whose only desire was to get the most money as they liquidated assets. That was a planned disaster.
Just pick up 4 to 6 schools, and make an alliance with the B East! Leave KY, S Carolina,Iowa, Florida state, Bamma, mich NC,, Michigan state, and the P2 im mens, and women's basketball, baseball, softball, mens, and women's soccer behind thanks B12 Mexico!!!! We will get all of thier recruits in those sports!
@@tarheel7406 Shoot watch how many B12 schools get into the big dance. Plus Sippy, sippy St, ark, TX, OU, mizzou, NC, and many others lost to B12 schools the past few years. Schools y'all think suck. Plus oregano would rather play P5 Or St than Tech! Tech would best Oregan this year in Eugene. Your football program is below Iowa St, and Kansas. How bout that? Your basketball recruits in basketball will be B12 recruits. NC basketball will be sinking, and so will NC because NC sucks in football. Plus we probably have Russia , and China watching the B12. We're bout to be world wide!!!
@@tarheel7406 I believe you Sir are talking about the ACC, and NC. I didn't see NC on the list at all for football, and for the most watched football games.
Just remember, When ESPN shuts out everyone but the BIG and SEC, we need to vigorously remind them that it's no longer the National Championship game, But the ESPN big fan base Championship. The rest of us will be playing for the College National Championship. Go Utes!
I'm from the Big 10 (Ohio State). I think that the Big 10 - SEC 'advisory panel' will be shut down along the lines of the 1890 Sherman Act for antitrust and anti-competition. I also think that forming an ACC-Big 12 'alliance' can be seen as antitrust because it would prevent Big 10 + SEC schools from scheduling ACC/Big 12 teams in other sports.
This makes no sense to me. The advisory panel was now formed because we now know that the ACC won't survive as a peer P3 and will deplete out to the P2. Most likely the initial steps to get some anti-trust protections after the P2 consolidation and accumulating even more political power with more big brands and flagships. Why would separate Tier 1 and Tier 2 conferences impact playing each other outside of football?
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Truth serum, Mr. Kurtz...do you want KSU to do whatever they can to be in the new "division 1?" Because, to me, making this particular alliance would signal two completely different scenarios dependent upon long-term motivation.
Will not work....Big XII will average about 1/2 the tv viewers of the ACC which will have 1/2 the views of the SEC and Big I. So the ACC will likely look down on the Big XII. Just go watch the other guy that has already done the TV viewership ratings forecast on the Big XII and the ACC. The new Big XII will struggle to get 15 total games over 1 million in viewers. Just the reality of how bad this current dynamic has hurt the non-big Public U's.
There is very little value with any Big XII teams. Maybe BYU, Utah, Arz and Colo??? Maybe? Just not much to choose from to increase tv value. Houston and Cincinnati average what??? Less than 250 K viewers per game. Where is the value?
the big brands in the acc will be in the big 10 and sec before too much longer, so it would be the remnants of the acc entering into an agreement with the big 12. the p2 will likely end up having their own exclusive playoffs and scheduling agreements, so those on the outside - big12, acc remnants, oregon st and wash st, etc should just begin planning their own playoff and scheduling structure. that way when the p2 inevitably break off, the rest of the sport will have a plan in place and ready to go. i think eventually the gap between the p2 and the rest will be much like the gap between the fbs and fcs.
Never happen. Amazon and netflix need the bigger brands in the ACC and XII and Big East if they are going to compete in streaming sports. Heres what will happen...Amazon and netflix will form a league with XII, ACC and Big East paying them close to what the "p2" are getting. They will have about 4 teams in the cfp each year and a juggernaut of basketball.
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r amazon and netflix aren't in the business to lose money. the ratings for texas tech vs baylor on netflix won't be in the same universe as bama vs texas or Ohio State vs usc on fox/espn. there is a limit to what amazon and netlix will invest, because they know they won't get the ratings that the p2 will get. the p2 will be the premier league, and netflix/amazon won't pay premier league money to b-league programs. florida state, clemson, miami, unc etc will make more money in the big 10 or sec, than what neflix/amazon can pay. their departure will make the big12 and acc even less attractive. in regard to a playoff, the fbs playoff doesn't include fcs programs. they don't exist in the same universe of college football. the same will be true when the p2 breaks away. they will exist in a different universe of the sport, one in which the leftovers can't exist in. so the big 12, acc leftovers and the rest should plan now, so that they can have their football version of the nit tournament.
Also, if the Big10 and SEC are making 100M, the. Big12 50M, ACC 30M.. and G5 5-15M, the Big12 might be making 4x the G5, and the B10 2x the Big12, but the gap is B10>Big12 by 50M, and Big12>G5 40M. Big12 needs the ACC as a viable 4th that you are stronger than them... After the B10 and SEC eat, i hope there are enough teams in the ACC to make them a conference that makes 60-70% what the Big12 makes. Then the ACC and Big12 can have a schedule and voting alliance that you cant ignore. And this coming from a Big East fan that would be happy to see the ACC and tobacco road schools burn.
You have it backwards. Your ~$50M for the new BIG12 includes non-media deal revenue. The BIG12 is now a relevant #4 and needs the ACC to survive as a relevant #3.
@tarheel7406 not after FSU leaves... you have more bottom dwellers than the Big12. And the SEC and Big10 are taking at least 2, as much as 6. Tar Heels will be ok... BC, WF bring nothing and the others are BB schools...
@@xmositoxc147 Unlikely. The BIG12 was at current market value when TX/OK noticed, which diluted the actual contract rate. The ACC's deal is well below current market (ie "terrible), so it can deplete out some without value dropping below the contract rate. All P5 remainders will have the same fungible value as evidenced by the BIG12's pro rata clause.
John, I’m open to talks. Always keep an open mind. I have thought about even a conglomeration of the ACC, B12, and the PAC operating under one umbrella not for profit. 3 conferences, 3 votes, competing regionally with many cross conference games with a board and commissioner over all three that would handle media rights other issues. Have athletes paid by the NFP. This could make a lot of great games that would make the networks happy. Bring back rivalries. And most of all, maybe, close some of the $ gap with the big 2. IDK if this would work but who knows. If I’m crazy, let me have it!
The real juice for the ACC/Big 12 is with basketball. Those 2 conferences can run D1 basketball the way the SEC/B1G do football. Start there and then be creative for football.
Doesn't seem to be much point anymore. The ACC is dead man walking. The Big 12 will soon follow. They may as well send 5heir biggest programs to the B1G/SEC and the rest into the G5. Then let the G5 have its own playoffs and championship.
I have been saying since before PAC-12 collapse that the rest need their own playoffs and then the winner play the BIG-SEC champ. Now it may be too late, but if Notre Dame plus G5 are with them they may have some chance of pulling it off. If they don't do this, the BIG-SEC is going to demand all the playoff spots anyway, so it won't cost them money but allow them to keep some control and dignity.
The B12 should stay away from any merger with the ACC. B12 likely gets a 50% TV 💰bump in 2030 if nothing changes. If they add the second four most valuable ACC teams the TV $ only goes higher. $32M from media $ can easily turn to $55 in 6 years. ACC doesn’t have that option.
BY has already stated that the BIG12 isn't worth its new media deal per team. Many suspect that the market peaked this round, and the next will be adjusted down. Moreover, I believe that the networks still aren't sure about the media value of a former peer major like the new BIG12. Finally, the next deals will be more streaming, especially for the Tier 2s. I don't see any ACC member moving to the new BIG12 unless the B12 pays ~$10M more per team, and that's unlikely. I can see ESPN leveraging the current situation to extend the current deal with the ACC or even up a bit in exchange for future scheduling commitments by the schools leaving and/or agreeing to more streaming.
BIG 12 fans are so delusional on what their product really is on a national level. Do you think schools like UCF, Cincy, Iowa State and Baylor are additive? There's just as many schools that are dilutive in the BIG 12 then in the ACC if not more. The ONLY reason why the BIG 12 has had stability when the ACC and PAC 12 didn't was because the power 2 thought there was still schools in those conferences worth adding and not any schools from the BIG 12 worth adding. The power 2 already decided that the entire BIG 12 Conference is dilutive!
a) The ACC internally considered all new BIG12 schools and passed as dilutive. b) The pro rata clause in the BIG12's contract proves that all of the expected P5 remainders have the same ~$30M per year fungible media value.
@@tarheel7406 Well, they may very well say the same thing about the ACC. Dilutive means that a school generates revenue less than the payout. In the case of the ACC, that would be $36m a year. Over half of all schools in the conference earn less than that and are thus dilutive. I won’t list them but I am sure that their identities are not a mystery.
I think the big 12 should go to 24 with four 6 schools per pod. If the ACC splits take Louisville, Pitt, VT, GT, Syracuse, Duke, NC State and UConn so you can get MSG.
I don't think a merger accomplishes anything. I don't think that gives them more money. I think the remanence of the ACC and B12 need to be ready to watch the B10 and SEC break away in their own D1+ tier with their own playoff. It also make me wonder if D1 grows to 3 tiers. MW/Pac 12, B12, ACC makes tier 2 . AAC, SBC, USA, and MAC tier 3. This could force ND to join conference.
@@purplehaze9793 I think if the B1G and SEC split, Some teams might leave B12 like WV and UCF move to leftover ACC. Stan and Cal go back to MWC/PAC12. If these new conferences are left out of the B1G and SEC playoff, they won't get their playoff money share. Might have to start their own playoff.
Idk what a scheduling agreement really does. FSU is scheduled out until 2025 and they play Alabama, Florida, & ND in 2026. They're not adding a 4th tough non-conference game. Clemson is scheduled out until 2026 and has games with South Carolina, ND and Wofford. They could add another tough game with the Big12 but there isn't much incentive to do so either. SMU, Stanford and Virginia all have openings starting in 2025 but are they really going to be great draws for most Big12 teams other than WVU-Virginia? Maybe SMU and a few of the Texas schools but I'm sure they don't care about SMU as much either. BC, Cal, Duke, GT, Pitt, and Wake Forest all have openings beginning in 2026. The Backyard Brawl needs to happen yearly, it occurs this year and next, Goes on hiatus from 2026-2028 and resumes again in 2029 because WVU is full the three years in between. NC State, Miami and Syracuse are full until 2027, Louisville and UNC until 2028, Virginia Tech doesn't have any openings until 2031! A scheduling agreement works easier for basketball and other Olympic Sports. But unless a scheduling agreement is made soon the ACC schools are only going to be harder to schedule with and I know the Big12 schools are going to have even more trouble because they play 9 conference games.
Whether it be an alliance, merger, or consolidation, grabbing ACC team would be a must because the Big 10 will and freeze out other conferences anyway. The grant of rights would go away because the ACCwould no longer exists, so a new deal would be made based on who gets those ACC teams, specifically in basketball. Football would be aided by the 3 or 4 super conferences.
You realize that the GOR doesn't expire even if every team left the conference? ..it's a media rights contract. Every team would lose their revenue for the 13 years..no matter where they go ESPN owns the rights... every school signed the contact.
@stoopstified7376 I would imagine ESPN would renegotiate since there would be no conference any longer and financially it would be in their interest to play ball with a realigned set of conferences. This might happen anyway with the new sharing deal amongst the networks. I think it's a 1/3 sharing deal.
@@garybrown5391 there will be no "realigning" of conferences..the big and SEC might add a team or two ...that's it ..sharing has absolutely nothing to do with the ACC grant of rights...some school or schools will be left behind...just like the PAC 12...and the will be rich as MF's ..."sharing " is charity for those less fortunate conferences...and a "W" for the blessed... nothing more nothing less...your utopia does not exist
They could do it, but they would have to restructure revenue deals for all teams and recruit other members from leaving. They will have get a really good marketing plan and a good commissioner, who's a great marketing manager and showman who can boost interest in the idea of a merger.
Fine with a merger, only if Oregon State And Washington State are involved, you can break up into 3 ten team leagues under one television contract for more product and you’d have a scheduling alliance.
It's hard to see them doing a non-conference alignment because they all want weaker schedules. The Big 12 may actually have an advantage because they will have better records than the Big 10/SEC. The perception of the conference stands to improve.
Wow! That “Alliance” would make it to the top list of worst ideas ever! Big 12 and ACC aren’t equals. Any gains made by this “Alliance” will be far more beneficial for ACC than for the Big 12! ACC is on life support, Big 12 is stable. Also I don’t think SEC/B1G will leave Big 12 out.
@@artpowers812big 12s stability can about real fast thanks to quick action by Bowlsby and then Yormark going for the kill on PAC. If the top 4 ACC schools leave, the ACC will be nowhere near the Big 12! It’ll be closer to the PAC2!
@@artpowers812 There won't be 4 teams leaving the ACC. The SEC isn't going to expand and the B1G is only looking for schools in large football-centric media markets with high viewership ratings and revenue generation prowess.
They won't but they should. Instead, they will compete to be the 3rd big power conference left standing. Story old as time. Those in power force those with less to fight amongst themselves. Had PAC/ACC/Big 12 joined forces instead of the former 2 going with B1G we might be seeing a very different result right now.
#3 won't matter if the ACC heavily depletes out. For the ACC brands, Plan A was to survive as a peer major. Plan B is to move to the SEC or B1G. There was no Plan C.
Alabama no longer has Saban and bama fans remember how bad it was before his arrival. ESPN/SEC buzz will fall short. SEC and b1G gravy train contract won't be renewed
~03:00 The PAC should have been realistic and poached ~4 from the best of the then BIG12 remainders before the USC/UCLA notice. Perhaps even better for the top of each to create a new conference, but that option may not have been as feasible. I don't see the ACC considering any alliance with the BIG12 until it depletes out. For one, there's already a number of annual rivalry games with the SEC in football and now the ACC/SEC challenge in hoops. After the ACC depletes down to be peer with the already Tier 2 BIG12, some cooperation is more likely. An amicable realignment would make the most sense. The BIG12 is now stable because it has few brands left. The ACC is unstable because it has far more. As things stand, why wouldn't the ACC prefer leveraging those brands internally over a scheduling agreement with the already Tier 2 BIG12?
Let the ACC burn. Their fans seem to think the Big 12 is beneath them, which is really odd considering their situation. They can go the way of the Pac12 if they want to be that way.
~10:00 Measured by tournament results over the past ~10 years, the BIG12 is better than the average now P5, but isn't the best. There's a reason why ESPN now has an ACC/SEC challenge.rather than a BIG12/ACC or BIG12/SEC. The gap between the future P2 to the Tier 2 will be wider than the gap between the future Tier 2 and Tier 3.
@@tarheel7460 Did you see the vids on viewership by the Voice, a source you like to reference? The BIG12 is the clear worst on that measure as well. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Depends on what you want.. voting power? A strong 4th conference that is still considered a "power 4" give you around 40 schools. When FSU leaves, depending on who stays, WSU and OSU join as a west coast pod, the ACC adds USF, Tulane and a couple of others. It is clearly behind the Big12, but an alliance then makes sence. If 4-6 teams leave for the BIg10 and SEC, and you guy them. Even if the teams you get are Clemson Louisville and Pitt... it really doesnt make you closer to the Big10 or SEC. It just makes sure that there isnt a 4th P4. If you want to be alone as a distant 3rd have at it. I hope the ACC survives with at most 4 teams being taken by the B10 and SEC. None from the Big12. That makes a 4th conference that they can't ignore. The Big12 can then do home and homes , win most, but you have voting power. Strength in numbers for the Big12 and ACC. You might feel a short term Rush by finishing the ACC, but in the long run, the B10 and SEC doesn't really need the Big12, but the B10 and SEC can't ignore a 40ish team 2 conference alliance that is on the same page
a) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled. b) Won't happen, but the ACC would be thrilled to lose only FSU. c) If the ACC "just" lost 4, it would still be at least peer with the new BIG12.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
It seems that in a common sense world, many of the teams in the Big 10 and SEC are not worth the value, but conferences have not been willing to dismiss teams that aren't pulling their weight. None of this will have a resolution until there is a governing body over all of it.
CFP sells rights to FOX/ESPN/WB and Amazon/ Netflix to maximise their value. SEC and B1G go to FOX/ESPN/WB XII, ACC and Big East basketball move to Amazon and Netflix.
Maybe, but I can't see ESPN giving up ACC basketball for its channels and the ACCN. I can see ESPN trying to get a piece of the BIGEAST for ACC/BIGEAST pairings after the ACC depletes out.
Yes, if common sense was a prevailing factor, it would be a no brainer for the Big 12 and ACC to form a scheduling alliance. Unfortunately, common sense is not so common. Now, they shouldn't do it trying to counter the Big Ten and SEC. That battle is futile. They need to do it to combat the national perception by bolstering the strength of schedule and create intriguing match-ups that draw views. The Big 12 and ACC both need to stop thinking in terms of countering the moves of the Big Ten and SEC. It's pointless. They need to be thinking in terms of what can they do to at least remain relevant for as long as possible and give them the best chance of getting schools into the CFP. Viewership equals relevance and strength of schedule equals higher rankings (if you win those match-ups).
Agreed. It appears that the ACC has already accepted and is managing its decline down to the Tier 2 in football (e.g. + CAL, etc.). I also suspect that BY and the BIG12 members acknowledge they are now Tier 2 already, hence the focus on basketball, but the B12 fans have yet to see it. I maintain that an amicable Tier 2 realignment into smaller regionals makes the most sense, which could be improved with a blanket scheduling agreement.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
@PressALPHA actually that's a stupid take because the divisions are set by the ncaa thw big and sec won't be in thw ncaa so they would no longer be d1 so what will happen is the big and sec would be in there own league so you're very wrong and sound retarded
ACC only has three truly long term valuable teams. FSU, Miami, and UNC. Big12 has Kansas, TCU, Colorado, and Utah. Clemson is too flaky to be long term viable and not well rounded enough to be worth stepping up.
@@PressALPHA "ACC only has three truly long term valuable teams. FSU, Miami, and UNC. Big12 has Kansas, TCU, Colorado, and Utah. " Rather silly actually...: Football Brands: New BIG12 - 0 Current/New ACC - 3 (CLEMSON, FSU, MIAMI); ND is heavily associated so 3.5 total --- Men's Basketball: New BIG12 - 1 Blue (KANSAS); 2 Lite Blues (HOUSTON, ARIZ) Current/New ACC - 2 Blues (UNC, DUKE), 3 Lite Blues (UVA, L'VILLE, CUSE) --- Non-Revenue Sports. Blues 20x or more Top 10 D-Cup, Lite Blues 8-19x Top 10 D-Cup New BIG12 - 0 Blue; 1 Lite Blue (ARIZ) Current/New ACC - 2 Blues (STANFORD, UNC); 2 Lite Blues (UVA, CAL) --- Schools of known or are generally believed to be of high interest to the B1G/SEC: New BIG12 - 0 Current/New ACC - 6 (ND, UVA, UNC, CLEMSON, FSU, MIAMI)
A soft merger of adding the best 6 or 8 ACC schools that are left after the others' departure would make a stronger conference. Then, dividing the Big12 conference into 2 divisions (East & West). Each division can play 6 games in their division & 4 crossover games (2 home, 2 away). Play 2 neutral site playoff games & the winners play each other in Jerry World for the Big12 title or whatever name the conference would have at that point. That should help generate additional revenue as well. As for the Big12 basketball tournament, it could be held over 2 weekends. The tv coverage & sponsorship could bring in additional revenue as well. The same would go for the baseball tournament. It would make for interesting TV and innovation. Just a thought.🤔
I don’t want to play Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, etc. those teams don’t get me excited or move the needle. I would welcome a game with North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami. Duke in basketball. Notre Dame in Football, but they’re not in the ACC. Anyway, no I doubt there’s a merger here.
And the feeling is surely mutual for BC, etc. playing BAYLOR, UCF, etc. Diluting regional matchups is one of the reasons a larger, wide and overly diverse Tier 2 conference serves no purpose.
Get some non-conference games with ACC schools the Big 12 might have an interest and "try" them our. Analyze the TV viewership ratings. If the numbers are positive then we'll snatch up those teams in 2026/2027. It's like test driving it before buying it.
@@tarheel7406 Even with the marquee teams in the ACC, their media payout is $23 mil per team. It's going to be a lot less once the key brands go to the B1G/SEC. So, the remaining teams have a choice to make - stay in the ACC and make the kind of money thatthe PAC12 would have been offered in its new media seal ($10-$20 mil) or go to the Big 12 where the payout is $32 mil. While it's not ideal, it's a better situation. There just isn't enough high brands left on the table to justify a higher media payout deal than the Big 12s. Memphis and Tulane won't move the needle. And I don't believe the ACC has the clout to pull WVU, Cincy, or UCF. Louisville and NC State should salivate in potentially joining the Big 12 due to the historic prowess in basketball. Plus, they'll have equal footing in football.
Well what’s going on in the big 10 and SEC? They’re just bringing in teams I believe the big 12 and the ACC did the same thing, so what is the Big Ten and SEC doing different than the big 12 and ACC.
Big 12 and ACC should merge. They'll be great in basketball,....mediocre in football. It make sense! Of course that's after FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC leave the ACC.
You are making the same mistake as the Big 12 and ACC in thought process. Need to stop thinking in "long term" and start thinking "short term". We already know where this (college football and the CFP) is all heading. Other than what value can be absorbed from them, the Big 12 and ACC are not in the long term plan. Like it or not, that is just the reality of it. Both conferences need to be focused on the short term and what they can do to remain as relevant for as possible for as long as possible. The long term plan is a super-league and those pieces are being moved into place. It's has been made abundantly clear, that's where things are headed and it will likely happen sooner than expected.
@@clintlewis1715 Makes no sense. If the BIG12 had thought long-term, it would have treated keeping TX/OK a lost cause and preemptively backfilled. Same for the PAC. Far smarter for the current BIG12, future ACC, all other P5 remainders, and the better G5s to plan for the inevitable separate Tier 2 than waste resources on trying to remain Tier relevant in football.
@@tarheel7406 except you fail to realize that the Big 12 couldn't back fill when it required a super-majority vote. That was always the problem. It only took 2 "no" votes to block any expansion attempt. They tried to expand three times. It kept getting blocked. You can't dwell on the past shoulda, coulda, woulda. We are in the here and now.
UNC is not a top brand school in football which is what pays the bills. The more successful a school is, the more revenue they generate for the conference. A virtual money machine. Top brand schools make money, UNC doesn’t. The only schools in the ACC that make money for the conference are FSU, Clemson and Miami. All of the rest lose money, some just a little, others a lot.
Sooner or later, the ACC is going to explode with the most desirable teams headed to the power to. The only way the remnants plus big 12 can remain relevant is by joining forces. The large fan bases of the East Coast could allow them to compete with the power to. Some sort of scheduling alliance now would lay the groundwork for that Eventual consolidation
I think the Big 12 and ACC should go to the NFL seeking a partnership, offering a farm league style system which aye salaries and gives first look to bring players up to the NFL.
Collapse the acc and big 12. Take the 15 biggest names and get nd with the lions share early on and develop a 3rd power conference. Doesn't have to be equal revenue share, just better than currently. Tv deal im sure would result in a 60+ mil per school with top end in the 100mil range
I'll go you one better,, I think the pack 12 ACC and the big 12 s***All three get together and check the best team To form a third superconference. They may not be as good as the other 2, but at least a third superconferencecan. Get a bigger amount of money for all the schools to survive and be able to actually compete with the other two superconferences.
I also think that FSU will not be able to leave the ACC since its Board of Trustees says that it hasn't signed the Grant of Rights (GOR). The problem with that is since FSU received the GOR money, the Seminoles would have to return that money.
Return that money? Seriously? Last year, FSU put $78m into the coffers of the ACC and got $36m back. That is $42m that the ACC got from FSU. In the 31 years that FSU has been in the ACC, they have put a BILLION dollars more in that they got out. Who would they "return that money" to, themselves? Apparently you have no idea of where the money that the ACC paid out to the schools came from. The schools perform on TV, ESPN televises the game, ESPN takes the money they made from the game and, at the end of the year gives it to the ACC, who did NO work and only acts as the middleman. The schools did all of the work, the ACC did nothing. It was not their money but the schools' money. The ACC gave FSU not one cent. In fact, FSU only got paid 46 cents on the dollar for what they earned. This is not the first time you have posted this. I would hope that it will be the last.
@@artpowers812 Hmmm.....the ACC Constitution specifically states that the ACC can NOT take any legal action against any member school without a meeting to vote being advertised for three days before the meeting, Only then can the ACC take a vote and remember that FSU is a member. Then, if they get a 2/3 majority, they can initiate legal action. And NOT until then. The ACC did none of that so they were NOT authorized to sue anybody. You know, you can get sued for doing something like that and, to make matters worse for the ACC, have their lawsuit thrown out of court.
Why would the ACC do anything with the 12 +4 +4, you get Sun Belt conference TV viewership. Nobody care about the 12, it would be a disgrace for the ACC. Those of the 12 fanbase, can get the facts from the Voice of College Football. The conference doesn't matter
Seems clear to me that the ACC's plan is to manage its decline to the Tier 2 and end with an academic and overall sports brand. A heavy entanglement with the new BIG12 would be counter to that plan.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Merger? No. Gotta get the best football brands we can from the ACC and focus on being the best basketball conference which would essentially have us lay claim to the NCAA basketball tournament. Seems like the tournament could become a cash cow and maybe push many of the SEC/B1G schools out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I hate to sound this way, but the SEC/B1G are doing the same thing to football.
a) Actual events and logic suggest that the ACC will rebuild if viable rather than any move to the BIG12. b) I suspect that UVA, UNC & DUKE will eventually all end up in the same P2. The BIG12 has been on a recent basketball run/peak that likely won't last, especially after the effects from the P2 consolidation. Nevertheless, focusing on basketball is a smart strategy for the BIG12.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
UNC isn't going anywhere. Five schools (Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina) issued a statement that they would oppose any conference expansion and there are most likely other schools who feel the same way. It takes 12 votes for a new school to be admitted. There are clearly not 12 votes to add another member. Many schools in the SEC are very comfortable with 16 members. As for the B1G, after the addition of USC/UCLA gave Fox access to the super lucrative California market, their sights are now on Florida, the third largest state. They may take FSU and Miami as a package. Wouldn't surprise me. Remember, there are hundreds of thousands of B1G alumni, family and friends already living in the Sunshine State.
@@505premoto , That came from a local tv sport reporter being over zealous. Virginia has filed a Lawsuit; However, it is not against Florida State University. Virginia joined Tennessee in a lawsuit against the NCAA.
How? There is no feasible path to a peer Tier 1 P3. In my view, three smaller regional Tier 2s makes sense at that level, so for what purpose for an alliance?
All of this is irrelevant, even as speculation, until the florida state case is litigated and decided. If they win or reach an amicable settlement, that opens the door and then you'll see who's leaving or staying. If FSU and Clemson go to the B1G and VA, VT, NC & NCS go to the SEC, then the conference is gutted, ESPN opts out and the Big 12 will eat the rest along with whatever WSU & OSU are aligned with out west. If that doesn't all happen, the ACC may survive on it's own as the #3 or #4 conference in the country and THEN you can see about partnerships, but this all depends on the lawsuit and the fallout thereof. I think the ACC can't afford to lose more than 4 of the top brands to survive. If the six I mentioned go, Miami, Pitt and Louisville could think the Big 12 is a better option. Then you don't have much left. Certainly nothing for football.
@@tarheel7406 they would be in much better shape than the ACC will be if it goes the wrong way though. I know you're the Top ACC fan of TH-cam, but once your school and a bunch of others go, they are nowhere near the Big 12 as presently constituted. I'm sorry to tell you, but Arizona State - Oklahoma state is a going to be a little more compelling than Wake Forest - Syracuse on a Saturday afternoon.
@@RogerBates7 The Tier 2 football programs will all move towards parity, and the exposure gap will impact men's basketball. The BIG12 has been on a recent run/peak that shouldn't be relied upon to last. No Tier 2 football matchup will draw national interest or get more than regional exposure. Rivalries will matter, and an academically branded ACC will have a higher media value per viewer than the new BIG12, After the P2 consolidation, the differences at the Tier 2 will be along non-football factors. There's a reason why the ACC preemptively backfilled with CAL, etc. over other options. Tier 2 football recruiting will be similar to that for non-revenue sports. Until BIG12 fans realize the realities of where the BIG12 stands, realignment will continue to confuse them.
Why would the teams trying to leave the ACC support it? And once those teams leave who is really going to watch from a national TV audience? Utah vs. Louisville is a good game but not must see TV.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
I'd say hell no. With a capital on the hell. Why in the world would the Big 12 do that? The Big 12 needs to continue building its own brand the way they planned.
Agreed. There is no purpose for a larger, wide, hodgepodge Tier 2 conference. No need for the Tier 2 BIG12 and future Tier 2 ACC to give up separate branding opportunities.
@@Spitfirethedragon yeah okay so the rest of the power teams that didn't lose to those two teams are more deserving of their power status than say Georgia or Michigan
@@kirkmoody6109 I am just saying that some of the MWC schools do deserve to be P5. Boise State and Fresno State both had good records since 2000. Boise State since 1999 have a 300 + to less than 50 loses. They are still one of the top G5 programs since that time. Boise State is the last of the G5 of the 2000s that have not gone to a P5. Boise State not only beat Georgia? They beat Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Virginia, Virginia Tech Oklahoma and Florida State. That is why a lot of football fans do tune in to see them because they got the respect since they beat Oklahoma.
@@mrmonkeysays Everything you said is correct! But it’s delusional to not look in the mirror and see the Big 12 is already there 😂. Outside of Deion and Colorado there are no big ratings games for the Big 12 with the loss of Texas & OU. The Big 12 won’t sniff an at large spot for the 12 team playoff. Just check Big 12 tv ratings. With the new schedules they won’t get marquee out of conference games in the coming years.
@@mrmonkeysays The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net) and is now the clear worst of the now P4 athletically and has the lowest prestige. The ACC didn't preemptively backfill with CAL, etc. to just later merge or align with the BIG12.
It would be huge that both of them merge together. It would be great for football and basketball and baseball. I believe that it could gather some interests for recognition and negotiation because it will be a superior basketball league and football conference. Get it done and find a proven commissioner to battle for them to be included in big two conference conversations.
The ACC would only consider a merger or alliance with the BIG12 after it moderately or (more likely) heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G. Even then, for what purpose?
@@tarheel7406 If they're seriously considering a merger, they would have to recruit current members from leaving. They'll have to recognize that they have to get a great revenue plan for all members to remain. As far as baseball and basketball so far, they're supreme conference.
@@JamesSmith-vs8nv But the current/new ACC wouldn't be considering a merger. No ACC member with SEC/B1G options would approve. Moreover, it appears that the post depleted ACC's plan is an academic/overall sports branded Tier 2. A merger with the new BIG12 is counter to that plan. There simply is no purpose for a large, wide, and overly diverse Tier 2 conference.
Can we just go back to 6 conferences based on region, I hate this
The SEC is still somewhat "regional" while the other conferences are not. Each state touches one another and they all have something in common with each other.
While the rest of y'all are just a jumbled up messes and disasters in the making.
@@cicada9471 id argue the big 12 at least is still mostly "regional" if you ignore WVU and UCF. Center country type stuff
@@cicada9471the disaster is SEC Basketball 🤣
@@dominicpangallo3752 we're fine. The SEC may get 7-8. That's good for us.
How's football for y'all? When was the last team that isn't in the little12 (currently) win the natty? Are you guys relevant still?
KU fan here. Thanks, John, for the broader outlook for non SEC-Big10 fans. Will be interesting to see what happens.
I think that would be 2 conferences and be the best of basketball
Except for March Madness, your average American sports fan does not are about collegiate basketball.
FSU went out of its way to play LSU on top of UF in the noncon. It didn't help. In 2014 FSU played Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and UF in the noncon, went undefeated, but got dropped to #3.
If you don't have SEC/B1G next to your school's name, the media will say you played a soft schedule.
Strength of schedule isnt even that important. Michigan had the 50th sos and beat everyone!
That's right, Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
@@SurferRC exactly. But no one cared because the are in the B1G
Going unbeaten doesn't guarantee a high ranking nor respect. Okie State, ND and UF were all mediocre that year. Also FSU had Jameis Winston returning, went undefeated in a so-so ACC but didn't look dominating while doing it. Then went on to get throttled by Oregon on the CFP.
@@M.B1s0n so you agree with me
If something like this happens i think it would be a mistake for them to leave the Pac 2 out of the picture.
Let's be honest at this point they're a G5 it's like saying they're leaving out CUSA or the sunbelt conference they're trying to shorten the gap between them and the power 2
Group of 5 need to have their own league and championship
No
I don’t think anything will or should happen with an alliance or merger until the Big 10 and SEC make their moves grabbing the best of the ACC once the ACC falls apart from the FSU lawsuit. At that point we’ll know who in the ACC is left. The ACC will then try to build back the best they can (including adding an AAC school or two) and the individual ACC schools will try to land the best deals they can with either the new ACC or the existing Big12. Eventually we’ll end up with a Group of 3; the ACC, Big12, and MWC (which will include Stanford and Cal). Sounds like a reasonable outcome to me at least.
I like it. The guessing game is what will be left on the bone after the B1G and SEC have their fill. I can see schools like Pitt, VT, Louisville, Duke, SMU, Stanford, Cal, BC, Syracuse, and WF available. Those schools will have to weigh whether staying in a depleted ACC or make more money in the Big 12. We obviously couldn't take them all so what makes sense would be regional rivalries (Pitt, VT, and Louisville).
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 I suspect that Syracuse, BC, and Wake will be left out completely. Maybe they can join the AAC for football and the Big East for hoops.
Let's say this is left of the ACC: Syracuse, BC, WF, SMU, Stanford, and Cal. I think Stanford and Cal will have to independent or the MWC bc travel will be cost prohibitive. Yeah, the 3 schools will have to fold and go AAC.
Nope…the ACC is a sinking ship. It is a like the Sears and Kmart merger, how did it workout…not good. Until the FSU and ACC is resolved I would stay away from a partnership with them until the conference shows it is try to stay together.
Except Kmart and Sears weren't trying to succeed. They were led by corporate raiders whose only desire was to get the most money as they liquidated assets. That was a planned disaster.
Just pick up 4 to 6 schools, and make an alliance with the B East! Leave KY, S Carolina,Iowa, Florida state, Bamma, mich NC,, Michigan state, and the P2 im mens, and women's basketball, baseball, softball, mens, and women's soccer behind thanks B12 Mexico!!!! We will get all of thier recruits in those sports!
In context, the BIG12 has already sunk.
@@tarheel7406 Shoot watch how many B12 schools get into the big dance. Plus Sippy, sippy St, ark, TX, OU, mizzou, NC, and many others lost to B12 schools the past few years. Schools y'all think suck. Plus oregano would rather play P5 Or St than Tech! Tech would best Oregan this year in Eugene. Your football program is below Iowa St, and Kansas. How bout that? Your basketball recruits in basketball will be B12 recruits. NC basketball will be sinking, and so will NC because NC sucks in football. Plus we probably have Russia , and China watching the B12. We're bout to be world wide!!!
@@tarheel7406 I believe you Sir are talking about the ACC, and NC. I didn't see NC on the list at all for football, and for the most watched football games.
Just remember, When ESPN shuts out everyone but the BIG and SEC, we need to vigorously remind them that it's no longer the National Championship game, But the ESPN big fan base Championship. The rest of us will be playing for the College National Championship. Go Utes!
This is something a Ute and Cougar can agree on 👍
The football natty is claimed and is either accepted or not by the public as legit.
@@tarheel7406 Where does your school keep their NC trophies?
@@tomsmithdeal8286 UNC expects to win nattys in team sports every season.
ESPN has an existing TV deal with the ACC
Better yet... include all the other conferences not called Big10 or Sec
Yormark is the man. Whatever he thinks is best, go for it.
As far as the payout disparity, I think he means dollar amount, not multiples. Like $70 mil - $32 mil is $38 mil, and $32 mil - $7 mil is $25 mil.
I'm from the Big 10 (Ohio State). I think that the Big 10 - SEC 'advisory panel' will be shut down along the lines of the 1890 Sherman Act for antitrust and anti-competition. I also think that forming an ACC-Big 12 'alliance' can be seen as antitrust because it would prevent Big 10 + SEC schools from scheduling ACC/Big 12 teams in other sports.
This makes no sense to me.
The advisory panel was now formed because we now know that the ACC won't survive as a peer P3 and will deplete out to the P2. Most likely the initial steps to get some anti-trust protections after the P2 consolidation and accumulating even more political power with more big brands and flagships.
Why would separate Tier 1 and Tier 2 conferences impact playing each other outside of football?
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Truth serum, Mr. Kurtz...do you want KSU to do whatever they can to be in the new "division 1?"
Because, to me, making this particular alliance would signal two completely different scenarios dependent upon long-term motivation.
Any Coast Conference
Will not work....Big XII will average about 1/2 the tv viewers of the ACC which will have 1/2 the views of the SEC and Big I. So the ACC will likely look down on the Big XII. Just go watch the other guy that has already done the TV viewership ratings forecast on the Big XII and the ACC. The new Big XII will struggle to get 15 total games over 1 million in viewers. Just the reality of how bad this current dynamic has hurt the non-big Public U's.
There is very little value with any Big XII teams. Maybe BYU, Utah, Arz and Colo??? Maybe? Just not much to choose from to increase tv value. Houston and Cincinnati average what??? Less than 250 K viewers per game. Where is the value?
Yes, but on the DL
What would be the purpose of the alliance?
It would help for non conference SOS.
NO , NO , NO !!
the big brands in the acc will be in the big 10 and sec before too much longer, so it would be the remnants of the acc entering into an agreement with the big 12. the p2 will likely end up having their own exclusive playoffs and scheduling agreements, so those on the outside - big12, acc remnants, oregon st and wash st, etc should just begin planning their own playoff and scheduling structure. that way when the p2 inevitably break off, the rest of the sport will have a plan in place and ready to go. i think eventually the gap between the p2 and the rest will be much like the gap between the fbs and fcs.
Never happen. Amazon and netflix need the bigger brands in the ACC and XII and Big East if they are going to compete in streaming sports.
Heres what will happen...Amazon and netflix will form a league with XII, ACC and Big East paying them close to what the "p2" are getting. They will have about 4 teams in the cfp each year and a juggernaut of basketball.
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r amazon and netflix aren't in the business to lose money. the ratings for texas tech vs baylor on netflix won't be in the same universe as bama vs texas or Ohio State vs usc on fox/espn. there is a limit to what amazon and netlix will invest, because they know they won't get the ratings that the p2 will get. the p2 will be the premier league, and netflix/amazon won't pay premier league money to b-league programs. florida state, clemson, miami, unc etc will make more money in the big 10 or sec, than what neflix/amazon can pay. their departure will make the big12 and acc even less attractive.
in regard to a playoff, the fbs playoff doesn't include fcs programs. they don't exist in the same universe of college football. the same will be true when the p2 breaks away. they will exist in a different universe of the sport, one in which the leftovers can't exist in. so the big 12, acc leftovers and the rest should plan now, so that they can have their football version of the nit tournament.
Can't hurt. Won't help.
Also, if the Big10 and SEC are making 100M, the. Big12 50M, ACC 30M.. and G5 5-15M, the Big12 might be making 4x the G5, and the B10 2x the Big12, but the gap is B10>Big12 by 50M, and Big12>G5 40M.
Big12 needs the ACC as a viable 4th that you are stronger than them... After the B10 and SEC eat, i hope there are enough teams in the ACC to make them a conference that makes 60-70% what the Big12 makes. Then the ACC and Big12 can have a schedule and voting alliance that you cant ignore.
And this coming from a Big East fan that would be happy to see the ACC and tobacco road schools burn.
You have it backwards. Your ~$50M for the new BIG12 includes non-media deal revenue. The BIG12 is now a relevant #4 and needs the ACC to survive as a relevant #3.
@tarheel7406 not after FSU leaves... you have more bottom dwellers than the Big12. And the SEC and Big10 are taking at least 2, as much as 6. Tar Heels will be ok... BC, WF bring nothing and the others are BB schools...
@@xmositoxc147 Unlikely. The BIG12 was at current market value when TX/OK noticed, which diluted the actual contract rate. The ACC's deal is well below current market (ie "terrible), so it can deplete out some without value dropping below the contract rate.
All P5 remainders will have the same fungible value as evidenced by the BIG12's pro rata clause.
John, I’m open to talks. Always keep an open mind. I have thought about even a conglomeration of the ACC, B12, and the PAC operating under one umbrella not for profit. 3 conferences, 3 votes, competing regionally with many cross conference games with a board and commissioner over all three that would handle media rights other issues. Have athletes paid by the NFP. This could make a lot of great games that would make the networks happy. Bring back rivalries. And most of all, maybe, close some of the $ gap with the big 2. IDK if this would work but who knows. If I’m crazy, let me have it!
The real juice for the ACC/Big 12 is with basketball.
Those 2 conferences can run D1 basketball the way the SEC/B1G do football.
Start there and then be creative for football.
Doesn't seem to be much point anymore. The ACC is dead man walking. The Big 12 will soon follow. They may as well send 5heir biggest programs to the B1G/SEC and the rest into the G5. Then let the G5 have its own playoffs and championship.
I have been saying since before PAC-12 collapse that the rest need their own playoffs and then the winner play the BIG-SEC champ. Now it may be too late, but if Notre Dame plus G5 are with them they may have some chance of pulling it off. If they don't do this, the BIG-SEC is going to demand all the playoff spots anyway, so it won't cost them money but allow them to keep some control and dignity.
The ACC-PAC12-B1G alliance was a joke. I don't expect a Big 12-ACC alliance working out any better.
Tier 2 coming.....Relegation with P2 implementing Collective Bargaining to get out of the courts!
The B12 should stay away from any merger with the ACC. B12 likely gets a 50% TV 💰bump in 2030 if nothing changes. If they add the second four most valuable ACC teams the TV $ only goes higher. $32M from media $ can easily turn to $55 in 6 years. ACC doesn’t have that option.
BY has already stated that the BIG12 isn't worth its new media deal per team. Many suspect that the market peaked this round, and the next will be adjusted down. Moreover, I believe that the networks still aren't sure about the media value of a former peer major like the new BIG12. Finally, the next deals will be more streaming, especially for the Tier 2s.
I don't see any ACC member moving to the new BIG12 unless the B12 pays ~$10M more per team, and that's unlikely. I can see ESPN leveraging the current situation to extend the current deal with the ACC or even up a bit in exchange for future scheduling commitments by the schools leaving and/or agreeing to more streaming.
@@tarheel7460 You are describing yourself, as already proved.
The ACC has at least 5 to 7 teams that would be dilutive to the B12. B12, DO NOT MERGE!!!! Do not accept boat anchors ⚓️
At least? More like 10-12.
@@tomsmithdeal8286 maybe.
BIG 12 fans are so delusional on what their product really is on a national level. Do you think schools like UCF, Cincy, Iowa State and Baylor are additive? There's just as many schools that are dilutive in the BIG 12 then in the ACC if not more. The ONLY reason why the BIG 12 has had stability when the ACC and PAC 12 didn't was because the power 2 thought there was still schools in those conferences worth adding and not any schools from the BIG 12 worth adding. The power 2 already decided that the entire BIG 12 Conference is dilutive!
a) The ACC internally considered all new BIG12 schools and passed as dilutive.
b) The pro rata clause in the BIG12's contract proves that all of the expected P5 remainders have the same ~$30M per year fungible media value.
@@tarheel7406 Well, they may very well say the same thing about the ACC. Dilutive means that a school generates revenue less than the payout. In the case of the ACC, that would be $36m a year. Over half of all schools in the conference earn less than that and are thus dilutive. I won’t list them but I am sure that their identities are not a mystery.
I think the big 12 should go to 24 with four 6 schools per pod. If the ACC splits take Louisville, Pitt, VT, GT, Syracuse, Duke, NC State and UConn so you can get MSG.
For what purpose a 24-team Tier 2 BIG12?
I don't think a merger accomplishes anything. I don't think that gives them more money. I think the remanence of the ACC and B12 need to be ready to watch the B10 and SEC break away in their own D1+ tier with their own playoff. It also make me wonder if D1 grows to 3 tiers. MW/Pac 12, B12, ACC makes tier 2 . AAC, SBC, USA, and MAC tier 3. This could force ND to join conference.
Big 12 will prob be the lone tier 2. The other conferences aren't even close to big 12 payout and competitiveness.
@@purplehaze9793 I think if the B1G and SEC split, Some teams might leave B12 like WV and UCF move to leftover ACC. Stan and Cal go back to MWC/PAC12. If these new conferences are left out of the B1G and SEC playoff, they won't get their playoff money share. Might have to start their own playoff.
@@purplehaze9793 If the BIG12 is the lone Tier 2, it will be irrelevant to the Tier 1.
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2023. 2020 N/A)
ACC: 8-5-3
B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston)
BIGEAST: 5-3-3
SEC: 4-0-0 (Includes OK)
B1G: 6-2-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)
Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 1985-2023, 2020 N/A)
ACC: 39-22-12 (Excludes MD; includes L'VILLE, CUSE & STANFORD)
B12: 22-11-5 (Excludes OK & TX; includes Arizona, Cincy, Utah & Houston)
BIGEAST: 17-10-8 (Includes Marquette)
SEC: 25-11-6 (Includes OK, Ark & TX)
B1G: 33-15-5 (Includes UCLA, MD & Oregon)
2023 Final D-Cup Standings:
ACC: 3 Top 10, 7 Top 20 (includes ND & STANFORD)
B12: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes Texas)
B1G: 2 Top 10, 5 Top 20 (includes USC and UCLA)
PAC: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA & STANFORD)
SEC: 5 Top 10, 8 Top 20 (includes Texas)
Schools that finished 8x or more in the D-Cup Top 10 (1993/4 - 2022/23)
ACC: 4 (STANFORD, UNC, UVA, CAL)
SEC: 3 (TEXAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA)
B1G: 5 (UCLA, MICH, USC, OHSTATE, PSU)
B12: 1 (ARIZ)
This! It's the most logical outcome.
Idk what a scheduling agreement really does. FSU is scheduled out until 2025 and they play Alabama, Florida, & ND in 2026. They're not adding a 4th tough non-conference game. Clemson is scheduled out until 2026 and has games with South Carolina, ND and Wofford. They could add another tough game with the Big12 but there isn't much incentive to do so either.
SMU, Stanford and Virginia all have openings starting in 2025 but are they really going to be great draws for most Big12 teams other than WVU-Virginia? Maybe SMU and a few of the Texas schools but I'm sure they don't care about SMU as much either.
BC, Cal, Duke, GT, Pitt, and Wake Forest all have openings beginning in 2026. The Backyard Brawl needs to happen yearly, it occurs this year and next, Goes on hiatus from 2026-2028 and resumes again in 2029 because WVU is full the three years in between.
NC State, Miami and Syracuse are full until 2027, Louisville and UNC until 2028, Virginia Tech doesn't have any openings until 2031!
A scheduling agreement works easier for basketball and other Olympic Sports. But unless a scheduling agreement is made soon the ACC schools are only going to be harder to schedule with and I know the Big12 schools are going to have even more trouble because they play 9 conference games.
Whether it be an alliance, merger, or consolidation, grabbing ACC team would be a must because the Big 10 will and freeze out other conferences anyway. The grant of rights would go away because the ACCwould no longer exists, so a new deal would be made based on who gets those ACC teams, specifically in basketball. Football would be aided by the 3 or 4 super conferences.
You realize that the GOR doesn't expire even if every team left the conference? ..it's a media rights contract. Every team would lose their revenue for the 13 years..no matter where they go ESPN owns the rights... every school signed the contact.
@stoopstified7376 I would imagine ESPN would renegotiate since there would be no conference any longer and financially it would be in their interest to play ball with a realigned set of conferences. This might happen anyway with the new sharing deal amongst the networks. I think it's a 1/3 sharing deal.
@@garybrown5391 there will be no "realigning" of conferences..the big and SEC might add a team or two ...that's it ..sharing has absolutely nothing to do with the ACC grant of rights...some school or schools will be left behind...just like the PAC 12...and the will be rich as MF's ..."sharing " is charity for those less fortunate conferences...and a "W" for the blessed... nothing more nothing less...your utopia does not exist
I believe every fan that's not associated with those "chosen schools" should and will quit watching those games!
They could do it, but they would have to restructure revenue deals for all teams and recruit other members from leaving. They will have get a really good marketing plan and a good commissioner, who's a great marketing manager and showman who can boost interest in the idea of a merger.
To do what? The SEC and Big 10 don’t know what they’re doing yet.
Yes merge acc& big12 and pac-2 too
Fine with a merger, only if Oregon State And Washington State are involved, you can break up into 3 ten team leagues under one television contract for more product and you’d have a scheduling alliance.
An ~30-team Tier 2 league with 3 sub-divisions could work.
Tier 2 will have thier own Championships
It's hard to see them doing a non-conference alignment because they all want weaker schedules. The Big 12 may actually have an advantage because they will have better records than the Big 10/SEC. The perception of the conference stands to improve.
The Big XII is strong and the ACC is heading into a storm that May break them apart
Strong for a Tier 2.
What difference would it make? The SEC and B1G have hand.
Wow! That “Alliance” would make it to the top list of worst ideas ever! Big 12 and ACC aren’t equals. Any gains made by this “Alliance” will be far more beneficial for ACC than for the Big 12!
ACC is on life support, Big 12 is stable. Also I don’t think SEC/B1G will leave Big 12 out.
Big 12s stability came after being on life support. Seems to me if only say 4 (any 4) teams leave the ACC, then the 2 leagues may be close to equal.
@@artpowers812big 12s stability can about real fast thanks to quick action by Bowlsby and then Yormark going for the kill on PAC.
If the top 4 ACC schools leave, the ACC will be nowhere near the Big 12! It’ll be closer to the PAC2!
In context, the BIG12 is already dead, hence stable. Why is there so little self-awareness among B12 fans?
@@artpowers812 There won't be 4 teams leaving the ACC. The SEC isn't going to expand and the B1G is only looking for schools in large football-centric media markets with high viewership ratings and revenue generation prowess.
They won't but they should. Instead, they will compete to be the 3rd big power conference left standing.
Story old as time. Those in power force those with less to fight amongst themselves.
Had PAC/ACC/Big 12 joined forces instead of the former 2 going with B1G we might be seeing a very different result right now.
#3 won't matter if the ACC heavily depletes out.
For the ACC brands, Plan A was to survive as a peer major. Plan B is to move to the SEC or B1G. There was no Plan C.
Does an alliance outside of the Power 2 conferences even matter?
too many dogshit teams in the big ten and sec for that power two narrative to be taken seriously
The Indianas and the Vandys gotta go at some point.
Add Maryland, Rutgers, Nebraska, Minnesota, UCLA, northwestern, Miss State,S Carolina, Arkansas Tex A&M
Alabama no longer has Saban and bama fans remember how bad it was before his arrival. ESPN/SEC buzz will fall short. SEC and b1G gravy train contract won't be renewed
~03:00 The PAC should have been realistic and poached ~4 from the best of the then BIG12 remainders before the USC/UCLA notice. Perhaps even better for the top of each to create a new conference, but that option may not have been as feasible.
I don't see the ACC considering any alliance with the BIG12 until it depletes out. For one, there's already a number of annual rivalry games with the SEC in football and now the ACC/SEC challenge in hoops. After the ACC depletes down to be peer with the already Tier 2 BIG12, some cooperation is more likely. An amicable realignment would make the most sense.
The BIG12 is now stable because it has few brands left. The ACC is unstable because it has far more. As things stand, why wouldn't the ACC prefer leveraging those brands internally over a scheduling agreement with the already Tier 2 BIG12?
Buddy, you only need to say this once, not over and over on every comment. When you say the same thing over and over, people ignore your comments.
@@DavidM442 People keep repeating unsupported claims.
Let the ACC burn. Their fans seem to think the Big 12 is beneath them, which is really odd considering their situation. They can go the way of the Pac12 if they want to be that way.
The deeper the ACC burns, the more irrelevant the BIG12 becomes.
The 4 team invitational playoff killed college football! Had they gone to a legitimate 8 team format to begin with the PAC12 would still exist
~10:00 Measured by tournament results over the past ~10 years, the BIG12 is better than the average now P5, but isn't the best. There's a reason why ESPN now has an ACC/SEC challenge.rather than a BIG12/ACC or BIG12/SEC.
The gap between the future P2 to the Tier 2 will be wider than the gap between the future Tier 2 and Tier 3.
@@tarheel7460 Did you see the vids on viewership by the Voice, a source you like to reference? The BIG12 is the clear worst on that measure as well.
Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Ask the pac 12 how that alliance worked out for them alliances don't work
Depends on what you want.. voting power? A strong 4th conference that is still considered a "power 4" give you around 40 schools.
When FSU leaves, depending on who stays, WSU and OSU join as a west coast pod, the ACC adds USF, Tulane and a couple of others. It is clearly behind the Big12, but an alliance then makes sence.
If 4-6 teams leave for the BIg10 and SEC, and you guy them. Even if the teams you get are Clemson Louisville and Pitt... it really doesnt make you closer to the Big10 or SEC. It just makes sure that there isnt a 4th P4.
If you want to be alone as a distant 3rd have at it.
I hope the ACC survives with at most 4 teams being taken by the B10 and SEC. None from the Big12. That makes a 4th conference that they can't ignore.
The Big12 can then do home and homes , win most, but you have voting power.
Strength in numbers for the Big12 and ACC. You might feel a short term Rush by finishing the ACC, but in the long run, the B10 and SEC doesn't really need the Big12, but the B10 and SEC can't ignore a 40ish team 2 conference alliance that is on the same page
a) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled.
b) Won't happen, but the ACC would be thrilled to lose only FSU.
c) If the ACC "just" lost 4, it would still be at least peer with the new BIG12.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Why would the Big XII want BC, GT, WF, Cal snd Syracuse for football? Answer? They don’t
And vice versa. Diluting regional matchups is one of the reasons a large, wide and overly diverse Tier 2 conference serves no purpose.
It seems that in a common sense world, many of the teams in the Big 10 and SEC are not worth the value, but conferences have not been willing to dismiss teams that aren't pulling their weight. None of this will have a resolution until there is a governing body over all of it.
Exactly. Imagine paying $210million a year for rutgers, purdue and northwestern. Thats not a smart business plan😂😂😂
The only problem is those schools were founding members of their conference. Not a lot of sentiment for throwing out a founding member.
CFP sells rights to FOX/ESPN/WB and Amazon/ Netflix to maximise their value.
SEC and B1G go to FOX/ESPN/WB
XII, ACC and Big East basketball move to Amazon and Netflix.
Maybe, but I can't see ESPN giving up ACC basketball for its channels and the ACCN. I can see ESPN trying to get a piece of the BIGEAST for ACC/BIGEAST pairings after the ACC depletes out.
Yes they should align
Yes, if common sense was a prevailing factor, it would be a no brainer for the Big 12 and ACC to form a scheduling alliance. Unfortunately, common sense is not so common. Now, they shouldn't do it trying to counter the Big Ten and SEC. That battle is futile. They need to do it to combat the national perception by bolstering the strength of schedule and create intriguing match-ups that draw views. The Big 12 and ACC both need to stop thinking in terms of countering the moves of the Big Ten and SEC. It's pointless. They need to be thinking in terms of what can they do to at least remain relevant for as long as possible and give them the best chance of getting schools into the CFP. Viewership equals relevance and strength of schedule equals higher rankings (if you win those match-ups).
Agreed. It appears that the ACC has already accepted and is managing its decline down to the Tier 2 in football (e.g. + CAL, etc.). I also suspect that BY and the BIG12 members acknowledge they are now Tier 2 already, hence the focus on basketball, but the B12 fans have yet to see it.
I maintain that an amicable Tier 2 realignment into smaller regionals makes the most sense, which could be improved with a blanket scheduling agreement.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Yes there will be an ACC/ Big 12 merger after the dust settles from Florida State leaving the ACC?
For what purpose?
Aint gonna happen ever !!
Yes, and they need to talk and explore ways to work together because if they don’t both will be relegated during the next realignment.
The BIG12 has already been relegated down and the ACC soon will be.
LOL. BigTen + SEC equals Division 1-A, Big12+ACC = 1AA, G5 = New FCS, FCS= 1AAAA.
Sorry I was wrong. Big12+ACC would be the new FCS. Everyone else goes division 2 or 3.
5:40 future power 5? The delusion is deep.
@PressALPHA actually that's a stupid take because the divisions are set by the ncaa thw big and sec won't be in thw ncaa so they would no longer be d1 so what will happen is the big and sec would be in there own league so you're very wrong and sound retarded
ACC only has three truly long term valuable teams. FSU, Miami, and UNC. Big12 has Kansas, TCU, Colorado, and Utah.
Clemson is too flaky to be long term viable and not well rounded enough to be worth stepping up.
@@PressALPHA "ACC only has three truly long term valuable teams. FSU, Miami, and UNC. Big12 has Kansas, TCU, Colorado, and Utah. "
Rather silly actually...:
Football Brands:
New BIG12 - 0
Current/New ACC - 3 (CLEMSON, FSU, MIAMI); ND is heavily associated so 3.5 total
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Men's Basketball:
New BIG12 - 1 Blue (KANSAS); 2 Lite Blues (HOUSTON, ARIZ)
Current/New ACC - 2 Blues (UNC, DUKE), 3 Lite Blues (UVA, L'VILLE, CUSE)
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Non-Revenue Sports. Blues 20x or more Top 10 D-Cup, Lite Blues 8-19x Top 10 D-Cup
New BIG12 - 0 Blue; 1 Lite Blue (ARIZ)
Current/New ACC - 2 Blues (STANFORD, UNC); 2 Lite Blues (UVA, CAL)
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Schools of known or are generally believed to be of high interest to the B1G/SEC:
New BIG12 - 0
Current/New ACC - 6 (ND, UVA, UNC, CLEMSON, FSU, MIAMI)
Ijbol! Is that you Ashton? Punked extreme. LOL.
No one will care. Big 12 + ACC are mid major conferences.
A soft merger of adding the best 6 or 8 ACC schools that are left after the others' departure would make a stronger conference. Then, dividing the Big12 conference into 2 divisions (East & West). Each division can play 6 games in their division & 4 crossover games (2 home, 2 away). Play 2 neutral site playoff games & the winners play each other in Jerry World for the Big12 title or whatever name the conference would have at that point. That should help generate additional revenue as well. As for the Big12 basketball tournament, it could be held over 2 weekends. The tv coverage & sponsorship could bring in additional revenue as well. The same would go for the baseball tournament. It would make for interesting TV and innovation. Just a thought.🤔
How does increasing instability and diluting regional rivals make the BIG12 stronger?
I don’t want to play Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, etc. those teams don’t get me excited or move the needle. I would welcome a game with North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami. Duke in basketball. Notre Dame in Football, but they’re not in the ACC. Anyway, no I doubt there’s a merger here.
And the feeling is surely mutual for BC, etc. playing BAYLOR, UCF, etc. Diluting regional matchups is one of the reasons a larger, wide and overly diverse Tier 2 conference serves no purpose.
once they find out what the acc did. they will not want to touch them
Get some non-conference games with ACC schools the Big 12 might have an interest and "try" them our. Analyze the TV viewership ratings. If the numbers are positive then we'll snatch up those teams in 2026/2027. It's like test driving it before buying it.
Leasing each other makes sense, but why would any ACC remainder leave a viable rebuilt Tier 2 ACC for the already Tier 2 BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 Even with the marquee teams in the ACC, their media payout is $23 mil per team. It's going to be a lot less once the key brands go to the B1G/SEC. So, the remaining teams have a choice to make - stay in the ACC and make the kind of money thatthe PAC12 would have been offered in its new media seal ($10-$20 mil) or go to the Big 12 where the payout is $32 mil. While it's not ideal, it's a better situation. There just isn't enough high brands left on the table to justify a higher media payout deal than the Big 12s. Memphis and Tulane won't move the needle. And I don't believe the ACC has the clout to pull WVU, Cincy, or UCF. Louisville and NC State should salivate in potentially joining the Big 12 due to the historic prowess in basketball. Plus, they'll have equal footing in football.
Well what’s going on in the big 10 and SEC? They’re just bringing in teams I believe the big 12 and the ACC did the same thing, so what is the Big Ten and SEC doing different than the big 12 and ACC.
Bigger brand teams? Expanding markets to new states with large populations/viewerships?
@@DavidM442 and that’s what the ACC and big 12 did, but John makes it seem like the big 10 and SEC did something that the ACC and big 12 hasn’t done.
Big 12 and ACC should merge. They'll be great in basketball,....mediocre in football. It make sense! Of course that's after FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC leave the ACC.
ACC is done!!!!!
Almost done. The BIG12 is already done.
If there is a partnership, the “top” brand ACC schools would have to be part of it for the duration (ieNorth Carolina, FSU). Every Man A Wildcat!
Which is why there would be no partnership. Schools like UNC either move to the P2 or stay in the ACC without any entanglements with the new BIG12.
You are making the same mistake as the Big 12 and ACC in thought process. Need to stop thinking in "long term" and start thinking "short term". We already know where this (college football and the CFP) is all heading. Other than what value can be absorbed from them, the Big 12 and ACC are not in the long term plan. Like it or not, that is just the reality of it. Both conferences need to be focused on the short term and what they can do to remain as relevant for as possible for as long as possible. The long term plan is a super-league and those pieces are being moved into place. It's has been made abundantly clear, that's where things are headed and it will likely happen sooner than expected.
@@clintlewis1715 Makes no sense. If the BIG12 had thought long-term, it would have treated keeping TX/OK a lost cause and preemptively backfilled. Same for the PAC.
Far smarter for the current BIG12, future ACC, all other P5 remainders, and the better G5s to plan for the inevitable separate Tier 2 than waste resources on trying to remain Tier relevant in football.
@@tarheel7406 except you fail to realize that the Big 12 couldn't back fill when it required a super-majority vote. That was always the problem. It only took 2 "no" votes to block any expansion attempt. They tried to expand three times. It kept getting blocked. You can't dwell on the past shoulda, coulda, woulda. We are in the here and now.
UNC is not a top brand school in football which is what pays the bills. The more successful a school is, the more revenue they generate for the conference. A virtual money machine. Top brand schools make money, UNC doesn’t. The only schools in the ACC that make money for the conference are FSU, Clemson and Miami. All of the rest lose money, some just a little, others a lot.
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Sooner or later, the ACC is going to explode with the most desirable teams headed to the power to. The only way the remnants plus big 12 can remain relevant is by joining forces. The large fan bases of the East Coast could allow them to compete with the power to. Some sort of scheduling alliance now would lay the groundwork for that Eventual consolidation
I think the Big 12 and ACC should go to the NFL seeking a partnership, offering a farm league style system which aye salaries and gives first look to bring players up to the NFL.
Collapse the acc and big 12. Take the 15 biggest names and get nd with the lions share early on and develop a 3rd power conference. Doesn't have to be equal revenue share, just better than currently. Tv deal im sure would result in a 60+ mil per school with top end in the 100mil range
No ACC member with B1G/SEC options will stay for any quasi-merger with the BIG12.
@tarheel7460 Idiot. The BIG12 recently didn't have a media deal past X date.
The alliance of the left-behind and G5 retreads.
I'll go you one better,, I think the pack 12 ACC and the big 12 s***All three get together and check the best team To form a third superconference. They may not be as good as the other 2, but at least a third superconferencecan. Get a bigger amount of money for all the schools to survive and be able to actually compete with the other two superconferences.
I am down with SEC and Big 10 being football leagues while the Big 12 and ACC are basketball leagues.
Half of the schools in the ACC should drop football anyway. Not any good, never were, never will. Just don't have any institutional or alumni support.
Don't care. Peace out! Go Noles!
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I also think that FSU will not be able to leave the ACC since its Board of Trustees says that it hasn't signed the Grant of Rights (GOR). The problem with that is since FSU received the GOR money, the Seminoles would have to return that money.
Or be sued for lying about the validity of their GOR signature. Lots of stuff could go either way
Return that money? Seriously? Last year, FSU put $78m into the coffers of the ACC and got $36m back. That is $42m that the ACC got from FSU. In the 31 years that FSU has been in the ACC, they have put a BILLION dollars more in that they got out. Who would they "return that money" to, themselves?
Apparently you have no idea of where the money that the ACC paid out to the schools came from. The schools perform on TV, ESPN televises the game, ESPN takes the money they made from the game and, at the end of the year gives it to the ACC, who did NO work and only acts as the middleman. The schools did all of the work, the ACC did nothing. It was not their money but the schools' money. The ACC gave FSU not one cent. In fact, FSU only got paid 46 cents on the dollar for what they earned. This is not the first time you have posted this. I would hope that it will be the last.
@@artpowers812 Hmmm.....the ACC Constitution specifically states that the ACC can NOT take any legal action against any member school without a meeting to vote being advertised for three days before the meeting, Only then can the ACC take a vote and remember that FSU is a member. Then, if they get a 2/3 majority, they can initiate legal action. And NOT until then. The ACC did none of that so they were NOT authorized to sue anybody. You know, you can get sued for doing something like that and, to make matters worse for the ACC, have their lawsuit thrown out of court.
ACC might fall apart.
The original BIG12 has already fallen apart.
FSU AND ACC DESERVE EACH OTHER
I see the staff let you have access to a computer again.
Disagree…..
Why would the ACC do anything with the 12 +4 +4, you get Sun Belt conference TV viewership. Nobody care about the 12, it would be a disgrace for the ACC. Those of the 12 fanbase, can get the facts from the Voice of College Football. The conference doesn't matter
Seems clear to me that the ACC's plan is to manage its decline to the Tier 2 and end with an academic and overall sports brand. A heavy entanglement with the new BIG12 would be counter to that plan.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Merger? No. Gotta get the best football brands we can from the ACC and focus on being the best basketball conference which would essentially have us lay claim to the NCAA basketball tournament. Seems like the tournament could become a cash cow and maybe push many of the SEC/B1G schools out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I hate to sound this way, but the SEC/B1G are doing the same thing to football.
a) Actual events and logic suggest that the ACC will rebuild if viable rather than any move to the BIG12.
b) I suspect that UVA, UNC & DUKE will eventually all end up in the same P2. The BIG12 has been on a recent basketball run/peak that likely won't last, especially after the effects from the P2 consolidation. Nevertheless, focusing on basketball is a smart strategy for the BIG12.
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@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Survival of the fittest. Once FSU leaves and UNC, Clemson, UVA and Miami follow suit then get the best remaining brands.
For what purpose?
At the moment Virginia has sued Florida State University. Virginia seems to be happy in the ACC, that is a completely waste of time.
UNC isn't going anywhere. Five schools (Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina) issued a statement that they would oppose any conference expansion and there are most likely other schools who feel the same way. It takes 12 votes for a new school to be admitted. There are clearly not 12 votes to add another member. Many schools in the SEC are very comfortable with 16 members.
As for the B1G, after the addition of USC/UCLA gave Fox access to the super lucrative California market, their sights are now on Florida, the third largest state. They may take FSU and Miami as a package. Wouldn't surprise me. Remember, there are hundreds of thousands of B1G alumni, family and friends already living in the Sunshine State.
@@timothyblack3322Say what? Virginia has sued Florida State University? When? Does anyone else know it?
@@505premoto , That came from a local tv sport reporter being over zealous. Virginia has filed a Lawsuit; However, it is not against Florida State University. Virginia joined Tennessee in a lawsuit against the NCAA.
When the ACC grant of rights gets broken, an alliance will help prepare for a group of three major bowl conferences to evolve.
How? There is no feasible path to a peer Tier 1 P3. In my view, three smaller regional Tier 2s makes sense at that level, so for what purpose for an alliance?
An ACC - Ig 12 alliance only makes sense for hoops…not the grid iron.
Why? Wouldn't we have a new ACC/BIG12 challenge if that were true?
@tarheel7460 Again, the BIG12's ratings are the worst of the P4, and that's with the inflating Dion effect.
@tarheel7460 Idiot. FSU counts for a current ACC vs. new BIG12 comparison.
All of this is irrelevant, even as speculation, until the florida state case is litigated and decided.
If they win or reach an amicable settlement, that opens the door and then you'll see who's leaving or staying.
If FSU and Clemson go to the B1G and VA, VT, NC & NCS go to the SEC, then the conference is gutted, ESPN opts out and the Big 12 will eat the rest along with whatever WSU & OSU are aligned with out west. If that doesn't all happen, the ACC may survive on it's own as the #3 or #4 conference in the country and THEN you can see about partnerships, but this all depends on the lawsuit and the fallout thereof.
I think the ACC can't afford to lose more than 4 of the top brands to survive. If the six I mentioned go, Miami, Pitt and Louisville could think the Big 12 is a better option. Then you don't have much left. Certainly nothing for football.
The BIG12 has already been gutted. There's no purpose for a large, wide, hodgepodge Tier 2 BIG12.
@@tarheel7406 they would be in much better shape than the ACC will be if it goes the wrong way though.
I know you're the Top ACC fan of TH-cam, but once your school and a bunch of others go, they are nowhere near the Big 12 as presently constituted. I'm sorry to tell you, but Arizona State - Oklahoma state is a going to be a little more compelling than Wake Forest - Syracuse on a Saturday afternoon.
@@RogerBates7 The Tier 2 football programs will all move towards parity, and the exposure gap will impact men's basketball. The BIG12 has been on a recent run/peak that shouldn't be relied upon to last. No Tier 2 football matchup will draw national interest or get more than regional exposure. Rivalries will matter, and an academically branded ACC will have a higher media value per viewer than the new BIG12,
After the P2 consolidation, the differences at the Tier 2 will be along non-football factors. There's a reason why the ACC preemptively backfilled with CAL, etc. over other options. Tier 2 football recruiting will be similar to that for non-revenue sports.
Until BIG12 fans realize the realities of where the BIG12 stands, realignment will continue to confuse them.
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@@DavidM442 Is that for me or tar heel? 😆
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Why would the teams trying to leave the ACC support it? And once those teams leave who is really going to watch from a national TV audience? Utah vs. Louisville is a good game but not must see TV.
ACC will drag the XII down. The ACC is sinking while the XII is rising in sexy
The BIG12 has already sunk.
@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?
Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia.
Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?
Only an OOC scheduling alliance. ACC schools could help WVU, UC & UCF. ACC schools could work for B12 west schools.
Then why not an amicable Tier 2 realignment?
I know Big 12 members Cinn, WVU, UCF would prefer the ACC
I'd say hell no. With a capital on the hell. Why in the world would the Big 12 do that? The Big 12 needs to continue building its own brand the way they planned.
Agreed. There is no purpose for a larger, wide, hodgepodge Tier 2 conference. No need for the Tier 2 BIG12 and future Tier 2 ACC to give up separate branding opportunities.
They should form an alliance. At a minimum it would separate them from the G5 ranks.
They won't be away from them when MWC and AAC teams have beaten them on the field.
@@Spitfirethedragon need I remind the sec and big 10 of app state and Boise state nuff said
@@kirkmoody6109 Well, Boise State beat Georgia and App State beat Michigan. So, they are more or less a power team that are stuck in a G5 conference.
@@Spitfirethedragon yeah okay so the rest of the power teams that didn't lose to those two teams are more deserving of their power status than say Georgia or Michigan
@@kirkmoody6109 I am just saying that some of the MWC schools do deserve to be P5. Boise State and Fresno State both had good records since 2000. Boise State since 1999 have a 300 + to less than 50 loses. They are still one of the top G5 programs since that time. Boise State is the last of the G5 of the 2000s that have not gone to a P5. Boise State not only beat Georgia? They beat Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Virginia, Virginia Tech Oklahoma and Florida State. That is why a lot of football fans do tune in to see them because they got the respect since they beat Oklahoma.
The real question is if the ACC is realistic enough to recognize their choices are: Death like the P12 or merge/ally with the B12.
You say that like the Big 12 has properties that people watch 😂. They’re on the same boat with the ACC.
@@DrummajortsuYou say that like you don't realize the ACC will be losing their biggest brands, and what's left will be unwatchable, even to ACC fans.
@@mrmonkeysays Everything you said is correct! But it’s delusional to not look in the mirror and see the Big 12 is already there 😂. Outside of Deion and Colorado there are no big ratings games for the Big 12 with the loss of Texas & OU. The Big 12 won’t sniff an at large spot for the 12 team playoff. Just check Big 12 tv ratings. With the new schedules they won’t get marquee out of conference games in the coming years.
@@mrmonkeysays The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 (net) and is now the clear worst of the now P4 athletically and has the lowest prestige. The ACC didn't preemptively backfill with CAL, etc. to just later merge or align with the BIG12.
So delusional. No reason to believe that the ACC won't survive as a Tier 2 with the new BIG12.
It would be huge that both of them merge together. It would be great for football and basketball and baseball. I believe that it could gather some interests for recognition and negotiation because it will be a superior basketball league and football conference. Get it done and find a proven commissioner to battle for them to be included in big two conference conversations.
The ACC would only consider a merger or alliance with the BIG12 after it moderately or (more likely) heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G. Even then, for what purpose?
@@tarheel7406 If they're seriously considering a merger, they would have to recruit current members from leaving. They'll have to recognize that they have to get a great revenue plan for all members to remain. As far as baseball and basketball so far, they're supreme conference.
@@JamesSmith-vs8nv But the current/new ACC wouldn't be considering a merger. No ACC member with SEC/B1G options would approve. Moreover, it appears that the post depleted ACC's plan is an academic/overall sports branded Tier 2. A merger with the new BIG12 is counter to that plan.
There simply is no purpose for a large, wide, and overly diverse Tier 2 conference.